* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] SO [Town Council Special Meeting on May 9, 2022.] I LIKE TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING OF MONDAY, MAY 9TH, UM, FOR THE FRONT ROW TOWN COUNCIL. UM, YOU WANT TO HAVE A ROLL CALL? YOU'RE ALL THE WAY. ABSENT VICE MAYOR COCK ROAD HERE AT COUNCILMAN GILLESPIE. COUNCILMAN MORRIS HERE COMES ONE HERE, PRESENT. OKAY. THE FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO DO, AND SOME, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD AN AGENDA ITEM, UM, OR A RESOLUTION TO DELAY THE ASSESSING PENALTY AND INTEREST FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES. IT WOULD BE ITEM NUMBER FOUR ON OUR AGENDA, AND IT WILL TAKE A UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ADD THIS TO OUR AGENDA. ANYBODY LIKE, OKAY, WELL WE DO, WE WANT TO DISCUSS IT. WE NEED TO DISCUSS, WE'RE JUST ADDING IT RIGHT. PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD, BUT JUST, JUST IN CASE. ALL RIGHT, TINA, DO YOU WANT TO DO A ROLL CALL OR DO WE HAVE THE DIRECT VICE MAYOR? COCKREL YES. THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THAT CONTENT. YES. OKAY. THEN WE HAD A, UH, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO READ THE MOTION TO GO INTO THE CLOSED MEETING, CORRECT. AND THAT I CAN DO IT. YOU GOT IT. VICE MAYOR. I MOVED TO TOWN COUNCIL CONVENIENT AND GOOD MEETING FOR THAT APPOINTMENT. PROMOTION PERFORMANCE, THE MOTION IN SALARIES, DISCIPLINING OR RECOMMENDATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICER'S APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODIES SPECIFIC TO THE TOWN CODE VACANCY PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE 2.2 DASH 37, 11 0.8 0.1 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA. OKAY. HAVE A MOTION. AND A SECOND. DO WE WANT TO DO A ROLE? CAN WE DO A ROBOT? THANKS FOR YOUR COCKEREL COUNSELING AND THE LAST WEEK. YES, YES, ABSOLUTELY. MORRIS. YES. AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. YES. OKAY. WE'RE GOING INTO CLOSE. OKAY. VICE MAYOR. I MOVED TO COUNCIL CERTIFIES THAT THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE AS RECOGNIZED BY EACH COUNCIL MEMBERS AFFIRMATIVE VOTE THAT ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION, THE CLOSED MEETINGS WEST CONVENED, AND WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE CLOSE MEETING BY COUNCIL AND THAT THE GROWTH OF EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER, REAL GOAL, EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF COUNCIL TAKEN BY ROLL CALL AND RECORDED AND INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF TOWN COUNCIL NUMBER. WE GET A ROLL CALL. PRAISE MAYOR. COCKREL YES, YES, YES, YES. OKAY. SO FOR OUR SPECIAL COUNSEL ARE NUMBER THREE ON THE AGENDA WAS THE APPOINTMENT OF A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER. THE, UM, DUE TO THE VACANCIES LEFT MY FORMER COUNCILMAN SCOTT LLOYD. HE RESIGNED ON MARCH 28. THIS TERM WILL EXPIRE UPON THE OATH BEING ADMINISTERED BY THE CANDIDATE ELECTED AT THE SPECIAL ELECTION IN NOVEMBER OF 2022. UM, AND THEN THE CANDIDATE ELECTED DURING THE SPECIAL ELECTION WILL SERVE THE REST OF MR. BOYD'S TERM, WHICH IS DECEMBER 30TH, 2024. UH, DO I HEAR A MOTION VICE MAYOR? I MOVE THAT COUNCIL A POINT BACK JACKSON TO FILL THE VACANCY TOWN COUNCIL LEFT BY A FORMER COUNCILMAN SCOTT LLOYD WHO RETIRED IN MARCH 28. IS THAT YOUR TERM TO EXPIRE ON OUT OF OFFICE BEING ADMINISTERED TO THE CANDIDATE ELECTED AT THE SPECIAL ELECTION IN NOVEMBER OF 2022, THE SECOND 20, 24 EVENING, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO, I'M SORRY. NOVEMBER, 2020. OKAY. HEARING A MOTION AND A SECOND. UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, UM, THAT, UM, WE HAD A LOT OF GREAT, UH, WE HAD, WE HAD MANY APPLICANTS, WE HAD SOME GREAT CANDIDATES THAT WANTED TO THROW THEIR HAT INTO THE RING. AND I JUST WANT TO PERSONALLY SAY HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THERE ARE MEMBERS HARD COMMUNITY THAT ARE WILLING TO SERVE IN THIS CAPACITY, UM, AS WE WERE REMINDED PUBLIC [00:05:01] SERVICES APPROVED. UM, AND SO I JUST WANT TO THANK ALL THE PEOPLE THAT APPLIED AND CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE ANY AND ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE. UM, THERE IS A ELECTION THIS NOVEMBER WITH COUNCIL SEATS OPEN, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UM, TO GET INVOLVED, POSSIBLY RUN IF YOU'D LIKE TO. SO AGAIN, JUST THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO APPLIED, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? I WOULD JUST ECHO WHAT YOU SAID. UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL APPLICANTS TO SIFT THROUGH AND, UM, I'M THANKFUL THAT PEOPLE APPLIED FOR THE APPOINTMENT. IT WAS A DECISION THAT WASN'T MADE LIGHTLY. UM, AND I WOULD, AGAIN, ENCOURAGE PEOPLE. THERE ARE A LOT OF SEATS OPEN THIS NOVEMBER TO GET INVOLVED. UM, MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? I STARTED BACK WRONG. YES. COUNCILMAN GILLESPIE. YES. COUNCILMAN MCFADDEN. YES. COUNCILMAN LORIS. YES. COUNCILMAN THOMPSON. YES. OKAY. NEXT STEP IS I AM NUMBER FOUR, AND THAT IS A RESOLUTION, UM, TO DELAY ASSESSING PENALTY AND INTEREST FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES. I BELIEVE EVERYBODY HAS THE SUMMARY BEFORE THEM. UM, JUST REAL QUICK FOR THE PUBLIC'S, UH, INFORMATION, UM, BECAUSE THE COUNTY IS, UM, HAS, HAS DELAYED THEIR DETERMINATION FOR THEIR PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES. THAT MEANS WE WOULD ALSO NEED TO DELAY OUTERS. AND WITH THAT, WE WILL NOT BE ASSESSING ANY PENALTIES OR INTERESTS, UM, FOR ANY TAXES PAID UP UNTIL JUNE 24TH. CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY? HOW ABOUT, I'LL JUST READ THE MOTION. CAUSE I GOT READ YOU. I MOVED THAT COUNCIL APPROVE A RESOLUTION TO DELAY ASSESSING THE PENALTY AND INTEREST FOR TOWN PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES, 19 DAYS ON JUNE 20 OR 2022 AS PRESENTED ANY DISCUSSION. OKAY. CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL WITH YES, YES, YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSED. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE A JOINT JOURNEY. OUR SPECIAL COUNSEL MEETING, TAKE A TWO MINUTE BREAK, GET STARTED WITH OUR WORK SESSION. THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE TOWN COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR MONDAY, MAY 9TH, AND THEN, UM, LIKE TO CALL IT ORDER AND WE NEED A ROLL CALL AGAIN. I'M ASSUMING NOT FOR WORK. OKAY, GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO NEXT OR THE FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS ONE A, WHICH IS THE RESOLUTION FOR SOLAR GENERATED ENERGY PURCHASES, AN EXCAVATION OF THE 2022 SOLAR ENERGY SCHEDULE. I'M NOT SURE THAT, NOPE. I DON'T KNOW. MADAM VICE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. UM, SO WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT TWO RESOLUTIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING, BOTH OF WHICH ARE GOING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE FUTURE NEEDS OF OUR POWER PURCHASE PORTFOLIO. THE FIRST TWO OF THEM, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET IS FOR A SOLAR POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENT AND ITS CORRESPONDING RESOLUTION. WE ACTUALLY HAVE PAUL BECK HOUSTON HERE FROM AMERICAN UNIT SCHOOL. HOWARD, WHO'S GOING TO GO OVER THE PRESENTATION AND GO INTO THE DETAILS OF FINANCE OR ANY QUESTIONS, PROBLEMS. UH, MY NAME IS PAUL BECK USING I'M THE SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF POWER SUPPLY AND ENERGY MARKETING FOR AMERICAN MUNICIPAL POWER. MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING. UM, SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING A SOLAR PURCHASE POWER AGREEMENT. AND I'LL JUST STEP THROUGH THE PRESENTATION IF THAT'S OKAY. AND IF THERE'S QUESTIONS FEEL FREE TO ASK. SO S UH, START ON SLIDE TWO. UM, SO A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, UH, AMP ANALYZED OUR MEMBERS, PORTFOLIOS NEEDS IDENTIFY THE OPPORTUNITY TO INCORPORATE SOLAR AND ENERGY. UM, SOLAR WAS IDENTIFIED AS THE BEST RESOURCE TO REPLACE A COUPLE OF, UM, OTHER RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE EXPIRING. THERE'S SOME, UH, LANDFILL, UH, CONTRACTS THAT ARE EXPIRING, AND THEN THE BLUE CREEK WIND PURCHASE POWER AGREEMENT, WHICH, UH, ROYAL HAS A PORTION OF THAT EXPIRES HERE AT THE END OF, UH, JUNE. UH, WE WORKED THROUGH OUR PARTNERS AT A TEA, WHICH STANDS FOR THE ENERGY AUTHORITY [00:10:02] TO CONDUCT A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL RFP FOR AN IN FRONT OF THE METER SOLAR PROJECT TO MEET THE MEMBER'S REMAINING NEEDS TO MEET REMAINING NEEDS RE REGARDING THOSE TWO PRIVATES ARE EXPIRED AND THEN ALSO ADDITIONAL NEEDS IF THEY NEED A PORTFOLIO. WE ISSUED THAT RFP BACK IN APRIL LAST YEAR ON A SLIDE. UM, SO WE LOOKED AT IT WHEN WE, WHEN WE DID THE ANALYSIS, WE LOOKED AT THREE, THREE CRITERIA, THE SOLAR CROP CONCENTRATION LIMIT THE PORTFOLIO DIVERSIFICATION, THE OPEN POSITION DAILY. AND THEN WE TOOK OUT OF THOSE FOUR ANALYSIS, THE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THE LESSER OF THE AMOUNTS THAT, WHEREAS IN A FIGHT DIRTY ANALYSIS, THE NEXT SLIDE WILL SHOW WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR ROYAL. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THE DEFINING, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THE SOLAR CONCENTRATION, UH, LIMIT, UH, OR EXCUSE ME, THE DIVERSIFICATION LIMIT, BECAUSE WE ALREADY GOT SOME SOLAR IN YOUR PURCHASE POWER PORTFOLIO. NOW, UH, THIS RECOMMENDATION IS, UM, IS BASED ON MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, TO EXPOSE TO ANY ONE SOLAR PROJECT. UM, SO THAT'S 4.2 MEGAWATTS IS WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS BASED ON AND, YOU KNOW, SHOW HOW THAT FITS IN THE EXISTING PORTFOLIO HERE ON THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, SO ON THE, UH, THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH IS SLIDE FIVE SHOWS THE DAILY POSITION. SO AT THE BOTTOM, THIS IS A 24 HOUR PERIOD. SO AN HOURLY BASIS OVER AN ENTIRE DAY. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT, UM, THE, THE BLACK LINE ALONG THE BOTTOM, THAT'S A, THAT'S A BASE LOAD RESOURCE, UM, PER STATE RESOURCE, WHICH IS BASICALLY GENERATES POWER 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. THE BLUE SLIVER ON TOP IS THE HYDRO RESOURCES THERE IN YOUR PORTFOLIO. THE RED IS THE FREMONT ENERGY CENTER. UH THAT'S WE REFERRED TO IT AS A FAC AND THEN THE YELLOW W NOT HASHED AS THE EXISTING SOLAR THAT A FRONT ROW HAS. AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT HATCHED YELLOW LINE ON TOP OF THAT. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT, HOW THAT BLENDS IN OVER THAT THE DAYLIGHT HOURS DURING THE DAY AND THE BLACK LINE ON THE TOP ACROSS IS THE AVERAGE AND LOAD, UM, PEAK LOAD DURING THOSE HOURS. UH, SO WE, WE LOOKED AT IT OVER AN ENTIRE YEAR AND AN AVERAGE EACH HOUR, AND THAT'S WHAT THAT BLACK LINE IS. AND THEN THE RED LINE IS THE DAILY PEAK FROM 2019 WEEK. WE DID LOOK AT 2020 OR 21 BECAUSE OF COVID IMPACTS. WE TOOK A SNAPSHOT EARLIER IN TIME TO IDENTIFY WITH THAT DATA ON THE SLIDE, SIX SHOWS HOW THIS, UH, RECOMMENDATION WOULD, WOULD FALL INTO THE, YOUR EXISTING PORTFOLIO RESOURCE STACK. SO YOU'LL SEE THE YELLOW COMES ONLINE IN 2025 RIGHT NOW. AND I'LL TALK THROUGH A LITTLE BIT THAT HERE, HERE IN A MINUTE, BUT RIGHT NOW WE ANTICIPATE AT THIS PURCHASE POWER AGREEMENT WOULD COME ONLINE IN 2025. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT LAYERS IN WITH THE REST OF THE RESOURCES IN THE PORTFOLIO THERE. UM, NEXT SLIDE. UM, WE HAD, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE, THE ANALYSIS AND WE ISSUED THE RFP, WE RECEIVED, UH, 33, UH, PROPOSALS OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS ON THE RFP. UM, THERE WERE FOUR THAT WE SHORTLISTED, UM, OUT OF THAT PROCESS. AND THEN IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR, THE AMP BOARD APPROVED STEP TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PROJECT THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AS THE BEST OUT OF THE RFP PROCESS, HAVING GRIT WILD GREENS IS THE NAME OF THE PROJECT. SO IT'S A SOLAR, 150 MEGAWATT SOLAR PROJECT LOCATED IN OHIO. UH, THE MAIN POINTS OF WHY THAT ONE CAME TO THE TOP, WAS IT THE FURTHEST ALONG IN THE INTERCONNECTION PROCESS? SO IT'S VERY TIME INTENSIVE PROCESS TO GET THE INTERCONNECTIONS, TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT THE PROJECT INTO THE, INTO THE, UH, ELECTRIC TRANSMISSION GRID. UH, THE DELIVERY IS TO, UH, 80 HUB, WHICH IS A VERY FLUID TRADING HUB AND PJM FOR A VERY LOW PREMIUM. SO WHAT THAT DOES IS IT TAKES A LOT OF RISK OFF THE TABLE TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER THE POWER TO MEMBERS. AND IT'S ALSO BACKED BY PROVEN A DEVELOPER AVID GRID IS WORLDWIDE. SO WE PRESENTED THE PROPOSAL TO THE MEMBERS THROUGH WEBINARS BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR, WE NEGOTIATED TERMS OF A NON-BINDING [00:15:01] AGREEMENT, AND WE EXECUTED THAT WITH AVID GRID. AND THEN IN MID NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR, THE BOARD AUTHORIZED US TO START NEGOTIATING A PURCHASE POWER AGREEMENT. WE'VE GIVEN YOU THIS ALL IS A PRETEXT TO THE NEXT SLIDE IS SINCE THAT TIME, THE SOLAR INDUSTRY HAS EXPERIENCED ALL OF THE INFLATIONARY ISSUES THAT THE REST OF THE ACADEMY HAS SEEN. SO ALL THE TERMS AND PRICING THAT WE IDENTIFIED THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND NEGOTIATED AT THAT TIME, HAVE ALL MOVED UP, JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, THE GAS PUMP PRICE, IT JUST IDENTIFY A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT ARE HERE. THE LARGE, THE LARGEST ONE IS THE SECOND ONE FROM THE BOTTOM. THIS IS THERE'S A TARIFF, UH, ANTI-DUMPING, UM, CASE OUT THERE ON SOLAR PANELS IN THE UNITED STATES, WHICH CAUSED A LARGE AMOUNT OF UNCERTAINTY IN THE PRICE OF THE PANELS. AND THAT'S REALLY THE BIGGEST DRIVER RIGHT NOW. WHY PRICING IS HARD TO, UH, TO, TO FIX THAT. YOU'D BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM A PRICE GUARANTEE. UM, NEXT SLIDE. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS SINCE THAT TIME, THEN SINCE WHEN WE EXECUTED ON BY AGREEMENT, WE'VE SEEN THE PRICE OF THIS PROJECT AND NOT JUST THIS PROJECT, ALL SOLAR PROJECTS INCREASED 20 TO 30%. UM, AND AS I JUST MENTIONED, THE DEVELOPERS, THIS DEVELOPER AND ALL OF THE DEVELOPERS IN THIS SPACE, OR HAS AN IT PROVIDER FROM PRICING DUE TO THAT POWER TILLAGE. SO ORIGINALLY WE HAD PLANNED THIS PROJECT TO BE ONLINE IN 20 23, 24. THAT SUBSEQUENTLY IS SHIFTED A COUPLE OF YEARS OUT. UM, NEXT SLIDE. OKAY, WELL, YOU HAVE TO RENEGOTIATE, UH, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RENEGOTIATE THE PRICES WHEN YOU GET CLOSER TO 2025. SO YEAH, SO IN THE ORDINANCE, AND I'LL TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE DOING THE ORDINANCE WE ARE NOW IS TO, WE IDENTIFIED A, UH, AN UP TO PRICE THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, THAT IF WE CAN, WE CAN GET THERE. UH, WE, WE, WE FEEL IT'S, UH, STILL AN ATTRACTIVE PRICE. WE'LL BE ABLE TO EXECUTE IT. SO THERE WILL BE SOME NEGOTIATION, BUT ALSO THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF SUBSCRIBING THAT WITH OUR MEMBERS, IT WILL HELP US. WE NEED, IT WILL AFFIRM OUR QUANTITY FOR THE ENTIRE AMOUNT THAT WE NEED FOR RIGHT NOW. ALL WE HAVE IS WHAT WE RECOMMENDED THE MEMBERS, AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FORMAL APPROVAL BY OUR MEMBERS YET TO, TO GET THAT SOLID. SO ON SLIDE 10. UM, SO WHAT THIS IS SHOWING IS THE PROJECT, EVEN THOUGH PRICING IS MOVED UP, THE PROJECT IS STILL VERY ECONOMICAL BECAUSE THE ENTIRE ENERGY MARKET HAS SEEN AN INCREASE. UH, SO WHAT THIS IS SHOWING IS THE, UM, FORWARD ENERGY PRICING FROM NOW, BASICALLY IT WAS IN APRIL, WE TOOK THE DATA IN APRIL. WE LOOKED OUT THROUGH 20, 26. SO FOUR YEAR FIVE-YEAR LOOK FOR THE MOST PART. SO THE BLOOMING LINE ON THE BOTTOM IS WHERE THAT FORWARD PRICING CURVE WAS IN APRIL OF LAST YEAR. AND THE ORANGE LINE OR BROWN LINE ON THE TOP IS WHERE THE PRICING IS CURRENTLY. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT SIGNIFICANT SHIFT. AND THEN THE GRAY BARS ALONG THE BOTTOM ARE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE, THE ORANGE OR BROWN LINE AND THE BLUE LINE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT TODAY COMPARED TO WHAT PRICING WAS A YEAR AGO, WE'VE SEEN ABOUT A $30, A MEGAWATT HOUR INCREASE IN FIVE BY 16, WHICH IS ON PEAK AND PRICING IN THE MARKET. SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOLAR, THIS PROJECT, SO IT'LL MENTION THIS PRICE AGAIN IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT AT $45 A MEGAWATT HOUR, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS AN UP TO PRICE. THEN IF WE CAN NEGOTIATE A PRICE ANYWHERE AT $45 OR LESS, WE FEEL IT'S BENEFICIAL FOR OUR MEMBERS. WITH THIS PROJECT, YOU GET NOT ONLY THE, THE ENERGY, YOU ALSO GET THE CAPACITY VALUE OF THE PROJECT, WHICH IN THIS EXAMPLE IS CURRENTLY, WE'RE PROJECTING AT $5 A MEGAWATT HOUR. SO THAT'S A CREDIT THAT COMES BACK TO THE PROJECT AND THEN THE RENEWABLE ENERGY CREDITS OR RECS AT THE BOTTOM THERE, UH, CURRENTLY THE OHIO RACKS ARE $10 A MEGAWATT HOUR. IF THE PROJECT CAN GET CERTIFIED IN OTHER STATES, PARTICULARLY, UH, PENNSYLVANIA, WHICH WE HAVE SOME OTHER RENEWABLE PROJECTS REGISTERED IN, THOSE REC CREDITS ARE CURRENTLY $20 A DAY. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, THE NET COST OF THE SOLAR RESOURCE WITH ALL THESE PROJECTIONS ARE, IT COMES IN AT $30 A MEGAWATT HOUR. SO IF YOU FLIP BACK A PAGE AND YOU LOOK AT WHERE THAT ORANGE LINE IS UP GOING FORWARD, YOU'LL SEE THAT $30 A MEGAWATT HOUR IS STILL [00:20:01] VERY ATTRACTIVE WHEN THE FORWARD CURVE, WHEN YOU LOOK OUT IS AVERAGING ABOUT $50 OR SO WHEN YOU LOOK OUT, SO WE STILL FEEL POSITIVE THAT IT'S A, UH, COST EFFECTIVE RESOURCE, UM, TO REMEMBER ITS PORTFOLIO. SO ON SLIDE, UH, WELL, SO THIS IS THE, THE ORDINANCE AND RESOLUTION. SO THAT'S WHAT, WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU CAME IN THE PACKET. UM, SO TYPICALLY THE WAY THAT WE SUBSCRIBE A PROJECT IS WE GO THROUGH, WE IDENTIFY THE PROJECT, WE NEGOTIATE THE TERMS WITH THE DEVELOPER OR THE COUNTERPARTY. THEN WE GO AND WE SUBSCRIBED PROJECT. AND THEN WE EXECUTE THE PURCHASE POWER AGREEMENT. WELL, BECAUSE OF OUR PROCESSES THAT OUR MEMBERS HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO THAT PROFIT AND BEST CASE SCENARIO, THAT'S ABOUT A SIX MONTH, A SIX MONTH PROCESS FOR US TO GO THROUGH WITH ALL THE MEMBERS. UM, AND CURRENTLY NOW WITH THE VOLATILITY IN THE MARKET, PRICING IS SUCH THAT A PRICE TODAY IS NOT GOING TO BE A PRICE SIX MONTHS FROM TODAY BECAUSE THERE'S JUST SO MUCH VOLATILITY. SO WHAT WE'VE DECIDED TO DO WITH THIS IS, IS THROUGH THIS ORDINANCE, UM, MEMBERS, UH, CAN EXECUTE THIS ORDINANCE, WHICH APPROVES, UH, THE FORM AND THE AUTHORIZATION TO EXECUTE, UM, THIS SOLAR SCHEDULE, WHICH IS PART OF THE, PART OF THE, UH, UM, SO THERE'S ORDINANCE. WE ARE THE GOVERNING DOCUMENTS WE HAVE WITH OUR MEMBERS ARE, ARE REFERRED TO AS A, AS A, UH, ORDINANCE. AND THEN THERE'S A SCHEDULE THAT'S ATTACHED, WHICH OUTLINES THE PARAMETERS OF THE PROJECT OR THE, OF THE PURCHASE. SO BY EXECUTING THE ORDINANCE AND THE RESOLUTION IDENTIFIES, UH, AUTHORIZED, UH, PERSON AT THE MEMBER THAT CAN, THAT CAN, UM, EXECUTE ON THIS PURCHASE POWER AGREEMENT, IF WE GET TO AD, AND IT ALSO IDENTIFIES THE PARTICIPATION AMOUNT. SO BACK TO MY EARLIER STATEMENT, IT WILL HELP US SOLIDIFY THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT OUR MEMBERS ARE. WE CAN AGGREGATE UP ALL OUR MEMBERS. SO THE SCHEDULE IDENTIFIES THE MAIN TERMS OF THE PURCHASE POWER AGREEMENT, WHICH WOULD BE A 15 YEAR TERM. UH, THE DELIVERY POINT WOULD BE THE PJ , UM, PRICING, NOT TO EXCEED $45 A MEGAWATT HOUR WITH 0% ESCALATION FOR THE ENTIRE 15 YEARS. AND THAT THE PROJECT ATTRIBUTES ARE EVERYTHING YOU GET WITH THE PURCHASE. POWER AGREEMENT IS ENERGY CAPACITY AND ENVIRONMENTAL REGS, WHICH I WENT THROUGH THAT EXAMPLE THERE. AND THEN THE OTHER PART THAT CAME IN YOUR PACKET WAS THE RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WE'RE STEPPING THROUGH RIGHT HERE. UM, SO LAST SLIDE, LAST SLIDE. UM, THIS, AGAIN, THROUGH THIS SUBSCRIPTION PROCESS, IT WILL HELP PROVIDE THE FIRM QUANTITY FOR THE PURCHASE POWER, WHERE WITH IT, WE WOULD THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH NEGOTIATING, EITHER WITH THE AVID GRID PROJECT THAT WAS SHORTLISTED OR ANOTHER PROJECT THAT MEETS THIS CRITERIA. UM, AND THEN IT ALSO PROVES THIS, AS I JUST MENTIONED TO THE PROCESS HERE, IT STREAMLINES THIS SO THAT WE GET THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS SO THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE TERMS, IT CAN BE EXECUTED, BUT PRIOR TO ANYTHING BEING FINAL, THE PURCHASE POWER AGREEMENT WILL COME BACK TO THE MEMBERS THAT ARE FOR THEM TO SEE, UM, AND ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT MEMBERS NEED BEYOND THE PRESENTATION, UH, HERE, UH, TO BE ABLE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE, UH, WITH THE PROJECT. UM, SO, SO WHAT, AND WE'RE REQUESTING THIS ORDINANCE RESOLUTION BE PASSED BY JULY 1ST, AGAIN, TO GIVE US THAT, UH, THAT TIME WHERE WE KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE THAT QUALITY IS WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, BY PASSING THIS ARTIST, YOU'RE NOT COMMITTED TO ANYTHING, THERE'S NO COMMITMENT UNTIL THE ACTUAL PURCHASE POWER AGREEMENT IS EXECUTED. AND THEN THAT WOULD COME AT A LATER TIME. ONCE WE GOT, UH, WE GOT, GOT THAT NEGOTIATED TO MEET THE TERMS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED IN THE SCHEDULE, THAT'S PART OF THIS ORDER. SO WITH THAT, UM, I WOULD ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. SO THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THIS ORDINANCE RESOLUTION TO BASICALLY GIVE YOU THE CONFIDENCE [00:25:01] THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. AND ALSO, UM, A POINT, UH, STEVEN. YEAH, MR. POINT, UH, TOWN MANAGER AND TOM ENDERS DESIGNEE AS THE PERSON TO AUTHORIZE IT. SO BASICALLY THE WARDEN IS GONNA SAY WHERE IT'S LIKE A LETTER, WHICH GIVES YOU THE, OKAY. AND YOU WANT TO GO AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, UM, THE ITEM ONE B KIND OF GIVES A BETTER PICTURE OF THE PORTFOLIO, BUT WE'LL KNOW THE MAGNITUDE REALLY HOW SMALL IT DOES DIFFERENT, BUT YEAH. AND IF IT'S AVERAGE, THE MORE WE CAN SEE THE ONE BEAT. YEAH. AND THAT TRANSLATES TO, WITHOUT ONE OF THE BAR GRAPHS THERE, 20.3, IT'S VERY SMALL. AND AGAIN, BACK TO OUR, OUR PLANNING PROCESS, WE GO THROUGH, WE, WE, WE, WE FOCUS ON NOT, UH, OVEREXPOSING OUR MEMBERS' PORTFOLIOS, ONE RESOURCE OR SMALL, SMALL PROJECTS OR RESOURCES. THE OTHER QUESTIONS, GOOD THING IS WE CONTINUE TO HAVE SOME OF THE BEST FRIENDS IN THE COMMONWEALTH OPERATION. MORE THAN EVEN THOUGH YOU ANTICIPATE THAT IT COULD COST MORE. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE HAVING TO RAISE OUR RATES. I KNOW IT'S BEEN ALL OVER THE NEWS AND STUFF ABOUT PEOPLE'S ELECTRIC GOING UP, BUT OUR WE'RE WE'RE LOCKED IN ON THE OTHER AREAS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, THINGS ALWAYS CHANGE. I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE PRETTY GOOD FOR AT LEAST THROUGH 25 COME 26 FISCAL YEAR 26 TO REVISIT. BUT HOPEFULLY WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TRY TO GET AN ADVANCED AUTHORIZATION. SO WHEN WE CAN START NEGOTIATING, WHERE IS THAT TRIGGER POINT WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO DO, AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE FAST MOVING THINGS. ONCE, ONCE WE SEE SOMETHING ON THE MARKET WE WAS NEEDED, I JUST WAS SAYING THAT BECAUSE THE HEADLINE IN THE PAPER WAS LIKE, THERE WAS A HEADLINE THAT PAPER EVERYBODY'S ELECTRIC RATES ARE GOING UP. AND THEN IF YOU READ THE ARTICLE, IT SAID FRONT ROYAL WASN'T, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE WAS FOR THE PUBLIC, FOR THE PUBLIC'S, UH, UM, BENEFIT OF THIS CONVERSATION. THIS CONVERSATION HERE DOESN'T EQUATE TO OUR RATES ARE GOING UP JUST BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING. YOU HAVE NOT HAVE A QUESTION. SO BY US ADOPTING THIS RESOLUTION, THERE'S NO COMMITMENT UNTIL THE PURCHASE POWER AGREEMENT, BUT STEVEN'S GOING TO BE THE DESIGNEE. SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT IT WON'T COME BACK TO COUNCIL AFTER THERE'S A PURCHASE POWER AGREEMENT? THAT WAS, THAT'S NOT THE PLAN BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE TO IMMEDIATELY MAKE A DECISION UP TO $45 DOLLARS ALL THROUGHOUT. I JUST DON'T EVER KNOW WHY MAKE IT TO SIT IN THE MENACE ALL AT WALMART, WE HAVE, WELL, YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU WERE SAYING IT COULD BE A YEAR, BUT LIKE UP TO OVERNIGHT, I GUESS, NO, CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WITH THE COUNTERPARTIES AND I JUST HAD A, I HAD A CONFERENCE CALL ON FRIDAY. UH, THESE DEVELOPERS ARE THIS, UH, ANTIDUMPING OR ANTI, UH, UH, TARIFF THAT'S OUT THERE. THERE WON'T BE ANY RESOLUTION ON THAT BY THE COMMERCE COMMERCE DEPARTMENT UNTIL THE END OF THE THIRD QUARTER OF THIS YEAR. SO RIGHT NOW MOST OF THE DEVELOPERS DON'T HAVE THE PANELS. UM, AND ANY PANELS THAT ARE CURRENTLY PURCHASED OR HAVE BEEN PURCHASED IN THE LAST, I BELIEVE IT'S TWO YEARS ARE SUBJECT TO THIS TARIFF, IF IT, IF IT COMES THROUGH. SO, UM, AGAIN, THERE'S, UM, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE. WE HAVE THE MOVE, WE HAVE THE PURCHASE POWER AGREEMENT DRAFTED TO FORM WITHOUT THE SPECIFIC COUNTERPARTY, WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, QUANTITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE'RE ON OUR ON-HAND SITE. WE'VE GOT THAT DRAFTED. WE'VE GOT IT. SO WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. SO WHEN WE DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY WE GET THROUGH THAT NEGOTIATION PROCESS, REALLY, IT JUST COMES DOWN TO THE TERMS, UM, AT THAT POINT, OF COURSE, STEVEN AND WHOEVER ELSE WILL HAVE THAT AND WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE MEMBERS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE TERMS IN THAT. UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL. YEAH, I THINK IT SAID IN THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU ALL ARE WITH AM P STAFF AVAILABLE TO ATTEND COUNCIL BOARD MEETINGS. SO IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN GRAB ONE OF YOU GUYS MAYBE. AND I SHARE THAT WITH PAUL AT THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, MAYBE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO IT. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THEN, I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO ONE B YET, ACTUALLY SOME OF THE QUESTIONS [00:30:01] THAT YOU GUYS ARE ASKING MORE PERTAIN TO ONE B. OKAY. UM, SO IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR ENERGY SOURCES THAT I GAVE YOU, THIS IS WHAT OUR ENERGY PORTFOLIO IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN 2023. AND IF YOU NOTICE THESE TWO AT THE TOP, WE'VE GOT THIS SHELL AND EXELON, THESE ARE POWER BLOCKS THAT ARE GONNA DROP OFF IN 2024. SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS FOR YOU GUYS TO PASS ANOTHER RESOLUTION, ALLOWING US TO REPLACE THOSE POWER BOX, UM, UP TO FIVE MEGAWATTS AND UP TO PRICE FOR THAT WOULD BE $50 PER MEGAWATT. UM, AND THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF OUR UNSECURED NEEDS FROM 2025 TO 2029. I KNOW $50 A MEGAWATT SOUNDS SCARY AFTER HE'S SAYING 45, BUT THE AVERAGE OF THESE TWO HERE IS ACTUALLY $50 AND 37 CENTS. SO IF WE PASS THE RESOLUTION TO SAY, WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH UP TO 50 AMP AND US, WE CAN WATCH THE MARKET AND THEN THEY'D BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT PURCHASE AT THE MOST OPPORTUNE MOMENT. UM, PROBABLY THE BEST REPRESENTATION. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS GRAPH HERE, YOU'LL SEE, IN 23 AND 24, THE DARK GREEN, THE LIGHT GRAY. YEAH. THEY, THEY DROP OFF IN 2025. SO THAT'S YEAH. SORRY. WELL, AND PAGE TWO OF THE POWER BLOCKS IS THE EXACT SAME GRAPH. IT JUST REFLECTS THE POWER BLOCK OF FIVE MEGAWATTS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE SECOND RESOLUTION THAT'S THAT'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WOULD MAKE TO BE ABLE TO FILL THAT IN FOR THAT TERM THROUGH 20, 29 TO FILL IN THAT EXPIRING CONTRACTS. AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH AN OBVIOUS QUESTION. ANYBODY HERE ON SCAFFOLD FOR BETTER RATES, HAS ANYONE ON STAFF LOOKED FOR BETTER RATES? SO UP IN, UP THROUGH THE END OF THIS YEAR, OUR PORT, OUR POWER PURCHASE PORTFOLIO IS COMPLETELY LOCKED IN. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY REASON TO GO OUT INTO THE MARKET, UM, FOR 10 YEARS, RIGHT? NO. RIGHT. SO ONE OF, SO ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE HAD HERE WAS A NINE YEAR AGREEMENT THAT'S DROPPING OFF. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH AMPS, SO I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY NEED TO GO OUT AND LOOK, AND I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. SO ANYTIME THAT WE GO OUT ON BEHALF OF A MEMBER FOR PURCHASE POWER AGREEMENT, UM, WE GET A MINIMUM OF THREE COUNTERPARTY BIDS. UM, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPOSURE TO THE MARKET, UM, AND WE DON'T SINGLE SOURCE ANYTHING. UM, SO WE, WE ALWAYS DRIVE TO GET THE LOWEST, LOWEST PRICE THAT'S OUT THERE, UH, TO, TO, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE LONGER TERM CONTRACTS THAT YOU USED TO HAVE IN YOUR, IN YOUR PORTFOLIOS. UM, BACK WHEN THE MARKET WAS VOLATILE, LIKE THE KIND OF LOVE WE'RE SEEING IT TODAY, UM, YOU KNOW, IN BACK IN THOSE DAYS, WE WERE, UM, UM, SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES YOU, YOU HAD TO, YOU HAD TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS FAIRLY QUICKLY BECAUSE THE MARKET WAS UP AND DOWN. AND SO WE HAD MEMBERS THAT, THAT WANTED TO JUST TAKE LONGER LOCKS AND LOCK IN PRICES BECAUSE BACK THEN THE, THE PROJECTIONS WERE, THE PRICES WERE GOING TO JUST ESCALATE AND CONTINUE UP. AND THEN WE SAW IT JUST THE OPPOSITE ABOUT 2008 PRICES CAME DOWN AND THEY STAYED LOW SINCE ABOUT 2008 UNTIL MOST RECENTLY. SO WHAT'S REALLY HURTING OUR CITIZENS RIGHT NOW. IS THAT, UH, WHAT DOES THAT P WHAT IS THAT CALLED? THE PIECE ACTUALLY DROPS DOWN. YEAH, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH, IS IF RATES ARE GOING TO BE AT, AT GOING UP TO 50, OR WHAT HAVE YOU, OR WHEREVER IT'S AT, I MEAN, DOES THAT AFFECT NO. SO, UM, WHAT I, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN IS THAT THE TWO THAT ARE DROPPING OFF, THEY ACTUALLY COME TO AN AVERAGE OF $50 AND 37 CENTS. AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO PASS A RESOLUTION THAT ALLOWS US TO REPLACE THAT WITH AN UP TO PRICE OF $50. SO IT PRETTY MUCH COMES OUT IN THE WASH. SO OUR WOULDN'T EFFECT, NO EFFECT OR CITIZENS SHOULDN'T SEE AN INCREASE IN THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AS FAR AS THIS RESOLUTION IS CONCERNED. IN FACT, IT WOULD HELP TO PROTECT FROM US HAVING TO BE OUT ON THE OPEN MARKET. RIGHT. WE PASS THEM WITH AN IDENTICAL RESOLUTION IN 2016. OKAY. THE POWER COSTS, THE DESPERATE THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF IS WE HAVE TO GO OUT ON THAT OPEN MARKET IN VERSUS ABOVE OUR PORTFOLIO. THAT'S THE MAIN THAT WE HAD PERTAINS TO. SO IF WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE EXPECTING SIMPLE TERMS, 50 MEGAWATTS, AND WE HAVE TO [00:35:01] GO BY 60, SO BY SIGNING THIS, DOES IT HELP THAT WELL, THEY'D GIVE US, YEAH. IT'LL HELP PREVENT THAT. RIGHT. YOU WANT TO LOCK IN, YOU KNOW, STEADY PRICING IN THAT SWEET SPOT. YES, EXACTLY. THAT'S THE HARD PART. SO THIS IS FOR OUR, OUR BASE LOAD, UM, MEETS WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE PASS FOR ANYBODY ELSE, OTHER QUESTIONS, OR ARE YOU LIKE, ARE YOUR EYES LOADING? I KNOW, BUT I'M GLAD YOU, YOU ALL DID A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING THIS BECAUSE WHEN I WAS REVIEWING IT, YOU'RE LIKE WHAT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IT MAKE SENSE, BUT IT'S GOOD TO HEAR MORE. UM, WOULD THIS BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY OR A GOOD TIME TO SPEAK OF CITIZENS WHO ALREADY HAVE SOLAR PANELS? AND IF THEY COULD START SELLING IT BACK TO THE TOWN, LIKE THAT KIND OF SITUATION, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE. WE DON'T HAVE SYSTEMS RIGHT NOW THAT CAN DO THAT BUY BACK. BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE, WE SHOULD START LOOKING INTO THAT TOO. THE NET METERING, AS YOU KNOW, COUNCIL COUNCIL PAST OF WE'RE STARTING JULY 1ST TO START FUNDING OUR, OUR AMI, OUR AUTOMATIC METER INTELLIGENCE. AND THEN ONCE WE GET ALL THOSE SYSTEMS IN PLACE, THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE THE PROGRAM GDS OR CONSULTANT HAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE DO GO WITH THE NET-METERING, BUT UNTIL WE GET OUR TECHNOLOGY IN PLACE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO IT. AND COUNCIL'S PAST STARTING JULY 1ST. THAT'S ONE OF THE GOALS. YEAH. SO WE'RE ON TRACK. WHAT'S OUR ANTICIPATED, WHAT'S OUR ETA WHERE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS. THEN IT WOULD BE STILL, PROBABLY ANOTHER 16 MONTHS. CAUSE IT TAKES A WHILE. BUT PLUS Y'ALL FUNDED OUR SOFTWARE SYSTEM STUDY TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT OUR OLD FINANCIAL, THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM AND THEY, THEY HAVE TO TALK TOGETHER. AND IT'S A, IT'S A LENGTHY PROCESS TOO. IT'S A HUGE OPERATION TO EXECUTE ONE. IT COULD BE TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, SO IT'D BE TWO YEARS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD TO KNOW. YEAH. ANYBODY ELSE WITH ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER MARY ALLEN OR IT WASN'T PAUL, WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO BE THE BENCH STRENGTH AND A LOT OF SMART, SMART. AND AS SOON AS WE GET THE COPY OF THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION FOR THE PACK, POWER BLOCKS, WE CAN SEND IT OUT TO YOU GUYS. SO YOU GET TO SEE IT BEFORE. SO THIS ONE THAT'S IN OUR PACKET IS JUST TENTATIVE THEN. SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO SEPARATE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A SOLAR PURCHASE POWER AGREEMENT, AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE THE PURCHASE OF PI OUR LEGAL TEAMS WORKING ON FINALIZING. OKAY. SO THE ONE WE HAVE IN OUR PACKET WAS FOR ONE, A ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT , IT'S GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT RESOLUTION BEFORE WE MEET THE NEXT TIME TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ACTION ON IT. YEAH. SO AS SOON AS YOU HAVE, IT'S GOING TO COME IN OUR PACKET BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, WE SHOULD HOPEFULLY HAVE IT BY THE END OF THE WEEK. OKAY, GREAT. SO PROBABLY THE SOONER WE SEE IT, THAT'S BETTER AND VICE MAYOR THE COUNCIL SO FAR, IF IT'S OKAY, WOULD BE ON THE CONSENT ITEM UNLESS YOU ALL WANTED. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THE ORDINANCE AND LIMIT TO SECTION 1 58 DASH SIX, THE FRONT LITTLE TOWN CODE PERTAINING TO ADOPTION BY REFERENCE OF STATE LAWS GOVERNING THE OPERATION OF VEHICLES AND GEORGE, YOUR NAME IS THE SIDE OF THIS. THANK YOU. UH, THIS IS, UM, AN ANNUAL EXERCISE WE GO THROUGH. IT'S JUST A, IT'S A HOUSEKEEPING MEASURE, UH, WHICH IS TO AMEND TOWN CODE 1 58 DASH SIX. UH, AND ALL WE DO REALLY HAS CHANGED THE DATE. UH, BUT THE FUNCTION OF THAT TOWN CODE SECTION IS TO INCORPORATE BY REFERENCE THE STATE VEHICULAR LAWS, UM, SO THAT THE TOWN CAN ENFORCE THE STATE LAWS. UM, AND THAT'S REALLY THAT'S IT. AND DOES THAT HAS TO BE DONE EVERY YEAR BY A CERTAIN DATE, RIGHT? YEAH, IT HAS TO BE DONE BEFORE JULY ONE. RIGHT? WELL, THE JU THE LAW HAS COME OUT OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, UH, AS YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE LATE WINTER AND THEY'RE EFFECTIVE JULY ONES, RIGHT? SO WE GET THIS IN PLACE IN ANTICIPATION OF THAT. AND THEN IT HAS TO BE DONE EVERY YEAR BECAUSE THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO TRY TO TRACK EVERY SINGLE PARTICULAR LAW THAT GETS CHANGED. AND THIS, [00:40:01] THIS WAY WE JUST DO, WE'VE ALL HEARD THOSE STORIES WHERE SOMETHING GOT CHANGED AND THEN IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. THEY COULDN'T AFFORD ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? ALL RIGHT. ON TO NUMBER THREE E R UM, SO NUMBER THREE IS ALL THE ITEMS THAT ARE SAVED FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND THERE'S A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT ONES. DJ BLESS YOUR HEART. YOU ARE A, B, C, D, AND E. THEN YOU GET TO SIT DOWN FOR F AND COME BACK AT GS OVER. YOU ALREADY KNOW. SO WE'RE GOOD. G WAS WHAT WE'VE EVER, WHAT WE VOTED ON SPECIAL MEETINGS. THAT'S THE TAX RATE. THAT'S GOOD. ALL RIGHT. WELL THEN YOU'RE JUST A, B, C, D, RIGHT? UM, YEAH, SO, UH, UH, THE BUCKET TRUCK THAT WE WERE SOLICITING FOR BIDS RIGHT NOW, THE BIDS WILL BE BACK TOMORROW, I BELIEVE. SORRY. ALL RIGHT. WE GET SO MANY OF THEM GOING ON. OBVIOUSLY I CAN KEEP TRACK OF THEM. UH, SO WE'LL BE BACK ON THAT TOMORROW. AND THEN WE'LL BRING THAT FORWARD TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL ON THAT, UH, ENGINEERING FOR DESIGN OF THE SHENANDOAH AVENUE STREETLIGHTS. SO THIS IS WHERE THE REVENUE SHARING PROJECT, UH, ON THE STREET LIGHTS, UH, THAT WERE SLIGHTLY BEFORE FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, 26, I BELIEVE. UM, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THE ENGINEERING DONE ON THAT AND THE AMOUNT OF SEATS, $25,000. SO WE DO HAVE TO HAVE COUNCILS FOR THEIR MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS FOR NUTRIENT ANALYZER. THIS IS THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. UM, ACTUALLY THE NEXT TWO ITEMS, EXCEPTED RECEIVING STATION MIXING SYSTEMS ALSO FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. UM, THE IT MAINTENANCE OR UNIT FOR NUTRIENT NUTRIENT ANALYZERS ARE METERS THAT ARE USED TO, UH, UM, UH, PUT THE CHEMICALS INTO THE MIXERS. UM, CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT ON THAT AND SOME OF THE METERS HAVE FAILED. THIS WOULD BRING THE METERS UP TO, UH, SPECIFICATIONS AND ALSO HAVE SOME MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT MOVING FORWARD. SO WE WERE INCURRING A LARGE COST. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE COSTS THAT WE'VE INCURRED LIKE FROM THE FAILED ONES ARE? NO, AND THAT'S, WHAT'S SCARY. SO, UM, WE'RE HOPING THAT WE'LL GET THIS ONLINE. IT'LL ALSO HELP HELP US SAVE IN THE CHEMICAL, UM, EXPENSES RIGHT NOW, WE'RE USING A NEW CHEMICAL AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT WE'RE HOPING TO GET THINGS OUT IN MORE, UM, TO HELP US ALSO, UH, GET SOME OF THOSE, THE EXPENSES ON THOSE DAILY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THIS ONE OR THE OTHER WAY THAT SAID THEY WEREN'T, THEY WEREN'T LIKE OLD. RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW. IT WAS LIKE FAIR. I WON'T SAY FAIRLY NEW, BUT FIVE YEARS OLD. AND THEY WERE SURPRISED THAT WE GOT THAT LONG ROUNDUP AND YES. UM, AND, UM, SO BY US HAVING THIS MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THEM UP AND RUNNING AND FUNCTIONING, IT'S NOT REALLY WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THESE EXACTLY. SO, UH, YEAH. UM, UH, THE NEXT DAY, THE SEPTAGE, UH, RECEIVING STATION FIXING SYSTEM, UH, THIS WILL ACTUALLY REPLACED THE, UH, FAILED MIXER IN THIS, UH, UH, IN THIS MIXER. AND THIS WILL COMES WITH, I BELIEVE, I THINK IT WAS A 20 YEAR WARRANTY. UM, UH, AND I THINK THIS IS ALSO, UH, WELL WORTH THE MONEY THERE. IT COVERS ALL OF THE, UM, UH, THE INTERNAL WORKINGS INSIDE THAT IT MAKES SENSE. UM, THE NEXT ONE HERE, BUDGET LIMIT FOR ENGINEERING CONSULTANT FOR THE WATERTOWER, UM, UH, T-MOBILE UH, IS DOING SOME WORK ON THE WATER TOWER THERE. AND, UM, UH, WE NEED TO HAVE AN ENGINEER COME IN AND THE WAY IT WORKS IS THEY PAY US BACK FOR THE ENGINEERING FEES ON THAT. SO I ACTUALLY HAVE A CHECK SITTING ON MY DESK AND THEN COUNCIL APPROVES, THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT WILL DEPOSIT THE CHECK AND JUST REMIT THE CHECK TO THE ENGINEER. JUST A WASH, WHAT THIS ONE IS WASH. YES. UM, JUST, JUST, IT LOOKS LIKE, SO THE BUDGET, THE BUCKET TRUCK, IT, THE MONEY WAS ALREADY IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. AND THEN, AND WE MAY HAVE TO FIND A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT WE'RE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS. AND IS THAT DUE TO THE LIKE SHORTAGE OF VEHICLES? YEAH. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE BIDS ARE GONNA COME IN THERE, BUT, UH, WE'LL WORK THAT OUT WHEN WE GET RIGHT. ALL THE REST OF THESE ITEMS, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WERE ALREADY IN THE BUDGET. RIGHT. IS THERE ANY OF THIS WE'RE HAVING TO FIND MONEY FOR? WE DIDN'T HAVE TO TRY AND MONEY FOR THE, UM, THE NEW TRAINING ALLIANCE OR IN THE SEPTAGE, UH, RECEIVING ME, ROBBIE, ROBBIE HODGES, UH, GOT TOGETHER, FOUND THE MONEY INSIDE THE BUDGET. AND WHEN I SAY WE FOUND THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET, IT'S ACTUALLY COMING CHEMICALS FROM THE MONEY WE'LL BE SAVING FROM THE EXTRA CHEMICALS THAT WE'RE USING NOW TO, UM, TO, UH, UH, USING SYSTEMS AS THEY ARE BROKEN. OKAY. OKAY. SO NONE OF THIS IS LIKE WE'RE HEADING DOWN THE STRETCH THE JUNE 30TH. OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THOSE ITEMS AND IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH ALL OF THEM STAY ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? [00:45:04] WELL, WE'LL JUST BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THAT BUCKET AND COMES IN AFTER EVERYTHING'S UP 30%. YOU'RE SAYING ALSO ADDING, WHICH WAS G IT WAS G RIGHT? UH, NO, THE ADOPTION OF THE STATE LAW GOVERNING THOUGH. YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. PROBABLY CARRY. SO YEAH. SO ONE AND TWO WILL NOT BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. ONE ITEM, ONE, A ONE B IS CONSENT ITEM, ITEM TWO IS A PUBLIC HEARING. GOTCHA. SO ONE IS ALL GOING UNDER CONSENT AGENDA. ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE ON TO NUMBER FOUR RIGHT NOW. OH, THAT'S RIGHT. YOU DID HAVE SOMETHING. I WAS THINKING. OKAY. AND COUNCIL, IF YOU RECALL, MARCH 28TH, WE PASSED A RESOLUTION AFTER THE COUNTY REQUESTED US TO PROVIDE PUBLIC UTILITIES, UH, AT THE PARCELS, UH, OH, THE TOWN OF PARCELS FOR AND, UH, 12 HEIGHT FOR COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL USE. AND AFTER LOOKING AT IT, THE MOTION, UH, PROVIDE WATER AND SERVICES. OUR REVOLUTION SAID CONSIDER SINCE THEN WORKING WITH THE OWNER AND THE DEVELOPER, THEY WOULD LIKE THE RESOLUTION TO REFLECT WHAT THE MOTION STATED. AND WE DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT. AND, UM, WE ASKED THE COUNCIL CONSIDERED THAT CHANGE, SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GIVE, UH, THE COUNTY, THE DEVELOPER AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, A COMFORT LEVEL. YEAH. I DEFINITELY THINK THOSE ARE TO CONSIDER IS NOT REALLY A STRENGTH CONSIDER. DOESN'T GIVE THEM CONFIDENCE THAT THAT DEFINITELY HAPPENS HAPPEN. SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. YEAH. SAME PARCELS AND ANY CHANGE TO ANY OF THE PARCELS OR DEVELOPMENT COUNTY WILL HAVE TO REQUEST IT AND THERE'LL BE A SEPARATE RESOLUTION. SO THE CONDITIONS, I KNOW WE HAVE ALL THOSE ON HERE, JOE JUST REFERRED TO THAT, LIKE THE STIPULATIONS OR WHATEVER, BUT, UM, THE SECOND ONE, JUST TO MAKE SURE. SO THE DEVELOPER FUNDS AND CONSTRUCTS INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THIS STUDY. RIGHT. SO, AND THAT, UM, THAT WAS ONE I, AFTER WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT AGAIN, THAT JUST MEANS FOR ANYTHING THAT THEY'RE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO NEED FOR THAT. RIGHT. RIGHT. OKAY. AND WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS AND THERE HAS BEEN SOME TALK ABOUT, WELL, IF THERE'S ALREADY EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS DEFICIENT AND STYLE, WHERE DOES THAT WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE MEETING TO DO A PRE-ASSESSMENT, BUT THE SCOPE OF WORK WILL DEFINE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILS AND WHAT THEY'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR. AND THEY'RE IN SOMEWHAT AGREEMENT OF THAT. SOME, SOMEWHAT, OR SOMEONE IN AGREEMENT, SOMEWHAT AGREEMENT, WE'RE MAKING A RESOLUTION SAYING WE WILL PROVIDE IT. AND THEY'RE SOMEWHAT IN AGREEMENT ABOUT NUMBER TWO, NUMBER TWO, THEY STILL, WE STILL HAVE TO JUST LIKE ANY STUDY. IT'S REALLY A DUE DILIGENCE. WE HAVE TO COME, WE HAVE TO COME TO A AGREEMENT ON WHAT WE DECIDE WILL BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AND OUR RESPONSIBILITY, WHAT WE SHARED WITH THEM AS IF THERE'S A, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, A SIX INCH PIPE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE AN EIGHT INCH PIPE. THAT WOULD BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. BUT IF THERE'S A SIX INCH PIPE THAT IS ALREADY KIND OF NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED BECAUSE OF THE AGE, BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T NEED TO BE TWO OR THREE YEARS. THEN WE PUT IT IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, WE STOPPED DOING ANYTHING, BUT YEAH. I MEAN, IT JUST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, PERHAPS I'M JUST MISSING SOMETHING HERE. IT JUST, IT SEEMS ODD TO PROVIDE A FIRM RESOLUTION WHEN WE DON'T KNOW THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, I GUESS TO ME, THIS IS WHY I THOUGHT WE HAD THE LANGUAGE. YEAH. SO MAYBE I'M READING THIS WRONG, BUT IT JUST SEEMED ODD TO PROVIDE A RESOLUTION WHEN WE DON'T KNOW THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT. THE THING WAS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER OR NOT, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THAT WAS THE NIGHT WHERE WHEN THE MOTION GOT READ AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UM, COUNCILMAN LOUIS MADE, I THINK HE MADE A COMMENT LIKE, AND I THINK HE MIGHT'VE CHANGED. UH, WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND WATCH IT. BUT I THINK THAT PROVIDE IS BETTER THAN CONSIDER BECAUSE IF I WERE A DEVELOPER, AN INDUSTRY THAT WAS LOOKING AT COMMON THERE, I WOULD BE LIKE, I AGREE TO THE, BUT WE'RE GETTING CERTAINTY PROJECT THAT WE DON'T KNOW THE SCOPE ON. WELL, AND OUR RESOLUTION [00:50:01] SAID CONSIDER, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING THE DIFFERENCE. AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE EDITING THE RESOLUTION TO MATCH WHAT THE MOTION ALREADY WAS. RIGHT INTO RECORD. AS WE'LL TALK WITH THE MOTION, THE MOTION WAS ON. I WOULD, I KNEW THE COUNCIL AND SEWER SERVICES, THE MOTION SAID PROVIDE. UM, SO WE'VE ALREADY SAID, AND THE RESOLUTION, SO THE DEVELOPER SENT THIS BACK OR THE COUNTY SENT THIS BACK, OR WE JUST CALLED IT, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE COUNTY, UH, THROUGH THEIR NEGOTIATIONS OR DISCUSSIONS WITH THIS CHANGE. YEAH. THEY HAD CONCERNS WITH CONSIDER LIKE, AND I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT NOT KNOWING WHAT THE PROJECT IS, BUT I THINK THIS RESOLUTION, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WATER, BUT WE WILL PROVIDE IT. I THINK WE DO. I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH WATER. YEAH. THAT WAS JUST WHAT SOMEBODY WAS THINKING. BUT, UM, WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY THOUGH, IS I THINK THAT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT NOT KNOWING WHAT THE PROJECT IS, BUT ALSO THINK THAT THIS RESOLUTION WAS JUST SAYING, WE ARE WILLING TO PROVIDE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS ARE DONE. SO IT JUST KIND OF FIRMS UP. WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO DO, I GUESS IS THE WORD. SO, UM, THAT ONE WOULD BE THREE F THREE G, BUT I'M SAYING THREE EFFORT WE PUT NOW ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TO, OR DO WE HAVE TO REDUCE THEM? WOULD WE WILL HAVE TO, TO REDO IT AND PUT IT IN. WE'LL PUT IT ON THE CONSENT ITEM CONSENT. YES. THE, THE OTHER CHANGE THAT I JUST PICKED UP IS WHERE IT SAYS NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THE FRONT ROYAL TOWN COUNCIL APPROVES THIS RESOLUTION WITH SPECIFIC CONDITIONS IN ORDER FOR THE TOWN TO PROVIDE THERE'S THAT WORD AGAIN, PROVIDE FOR WATER AND SEWER SERVICES. IS THAT UNDER NOW? THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THE REFLECTS THEY CONSIDER IT. YEAH. IT IS. ONCE AGAIN, PROVIDE IS THERE AND CONSIDER. YEAH, IT IS. BUT I THINK THAT, THAT, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT ISN'T, IT'S, IT'S SO VAGUE THAT YOU, I REMEMBER A WORK SESSION WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT OR WHATEVER IT WAS CLOSED TO WHEREVER IT WAS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT, THAT IT WAS OUR MAIN ISSUE WAS THAT WE HAD NO IDEA ABOUT THE PROJECT AND WHAT IT WAS. AND HE STILL, NO, NO, IF IT'S A COMMERCIAL PROJECT THAT'S WANTING TO BUY LAND IN THE PAST 22 CORRIDOR. SURE. OKAY. IT'S RIGHT NOW THEY JUST WANT TO KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO SUPPLY A WATER TO THEM. WELL, WE WANTED TO KNOW IF WE HAD ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE INSIDE, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS YOU GARY, WHO SAID WE WOULD NEED AN EXTRA PUMP STATION OR SOMETHING. WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE STUDY IS. THAT'S WHAT THE STUDY IS. THAT'S WHAT THE STUDY W W WHAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS, WHAT OUR STUDY COMES BACK IN. THAT'S WHAT THEY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR. UH, WELL, NOW WE'RE RESPONSIBLE TO PROVIDE WATER. YEAH. WELL, SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHERE I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE STEVEN ALSO FOLLOWED IT UP AND SAYING, IF IT'S OUTDATED PIPES OR SOMETHING, THEN WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. SO DOES THAT MEAN WE'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE PUMP STATION COSTS TO LET ME TRY TO, UM, THE INTENT OF THIS RESOLUTION IS ONE THE COUNTY AND THE DEVELOPERS AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS WANT TO KNOW, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH WATER CAPACITY AND SEWER CAPACITY FOR A DEVELOPMENT FOR COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL BASED ON THEIR NUMBERS THAT DIVIDE US HOW MUCH THEY NEED X SERIES. YES. SO WE HAVE TO PASS A RESOLUTION THAT SAYS, WE WILL PROVIDE YOU THAT THE SECOND PART ARE CONDITIONS SAYING, WE'LL PROVIDE IT, BUT THIS, LIKE ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS TO INCLUDE ANY, ANY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT REQUIRES IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE OF THE INCURRED CREASE CAPACITY NEEDS THAT YOU NEED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT, ANY IMPROVEMENT THAT ONCE WE FIND OUT THROUGH THE DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS THAT WE FIND OUT THAT THERE IS A PIPE THAT IS, THAT IS SIX INCHES AND THEY NEED TO DO AT EIGHT INCHES, THEY HAVE TO PAY THAT COST. BUT IF IT'S A PIPE THAT'S EXISTING AND THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE CONDITION OF IT, THAT WOULD BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY THROUGH OUR CAPITAL INVESTMENT PROGRAM, BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO YEAH. IT, YEAH. IF THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT PIPE, THERE'S A DEFICIENCY. WE'D HAVE TO REPAIR IT ANYWAY. WHETHER ANYBODY WAS OUT THERE OR NOT. RIGHT. YEAH. I THOUGHT THIS WAS JUST BASICALLY WAS BASICALLY A GOOD FAITH PROMISE THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE WATER TO THEM, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SELL WATER TO THEM. YEAH. AND COUNCIL COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS, IT'S STILL KIND OF THE STUDIES [00:55:01] DUE DILIGENCE ON THEIR PART. OKAY. CORRECT. AND THEN IT JUST GOES THE ONE AFTER IT SAYS THAT, WHICH IS WHY I WAS DOING MY DUE DILIGENCE AS A COUNCILMAN TO ASK AND UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE IT GOES ON TO CITE CHAPTERS AND TOWN CODES, WHICH ARE WRITTEN OUT. SO BEFORE I SAY, YEAH, SOUNDS GOOD. I WOULD LIKE TO JUST COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT I WAS JUST ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION AND I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UM, SO THAT, OKAY. WE'RE ALL IN, WE'RE DONE WITH, UM, NUMBER THREE. SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO NUMBER FOUR AND NUMBER FOUR ARE THE, UM, THE VML, UH, POLICY COMMITTEE NOMINATIONS OR NOT, I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT, UM, I DON'T, THEY, THEY HAVEN'T HAD MEETINGS THE LAST YEAR. RIGHT. OR DID LATASHA, DID YOUR COMMITTEE MEET? OKAY. SO NOT MINE NEVER MET HER. THEY NEVER CONTACTED ME. UM, BUT, BUT I JUST THOUGHT I'D THROW THAT OUT THERE. CAUSE IT SAYS, UM, YEAH. SO THERE ARE, AS YOU GUYS CAN SEE UNDER FOR EVERY YEAR, VML ASKED THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO NOMINATE PEOPLE TO THOSE COMMITTEES, UM, AND ALSO WERE APPOINTED STAFF. SO IT'S NOT JUST, IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE JUST, UM, THE POLICY COMMITTEES MEET ONCE A YEAR, JULY RICHMOND AND ALL POLICY COMMITTEES WILL MEET VIA ZOOM THIS YEAR TO HELP NAVIGATE HIGHER TRAVEL COSTS THAT WAS AWFULLY KIND OF DEAL SAVE GAS. RIGHT. UM, AND COUNSEL, MY NOMINATE UP TO TWO PEOPLE PER POLICY COMMITTEE, AT LEAST ONE OF WHOM I SPEAK HIM, ELECTED OFFICIAL. UM, AND THEY ASKED THAT NOBODY SERVED ON MORE THAN ONE COMMITTEE, WHICH THAT'S GOING TO BE TRICKY. YEAH. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE LIKE PEOPLE SERVING. YEAH. SO THEY, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A NEW ONE. UM, WELL REALLY, NO, THERE'S ONLY FIVE NOW COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, FINANCE, GENERAL LAWS, HUMAN DEVELOPMENT AND EDUCATION, AND THEN INFRASTRUCTURE TRANSPORTATION DOWN WHEN THE ENVIRONMENT'S ON MAXWELL RESOURCES, I'D LIKE TO STAY ON COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. OKAY. UM, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT IF YOU WANT TO. WELL, HAS EVERYBODY LOOKED OVER TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN? I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU ALL THE ONE THAT I'M ON SOUNDED LIKE A PERFECT FIT FOR ME. I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE THINKING. CAUSE I WAS THINKING IT TO HUMAN DEVELOPMENT AND EDUCATION, BUT JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW, IT'S MANAGEMENT AND FUNDING OF SOCIAL SERVICES. PRE-K THROUGH 12 EDUCATION, HEALTH, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, JUVENILE JUSTICE IN JAILS, RECREATION AND AGING. NOW I JUST WANT TO, THE TOWN HAS NO CONTROL OVER SOCIAL SERVICES. NOT BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, JUVENILE JUSTICE IN JAILS RECOMMENDATIONS, THE COUNTY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TO BE TIED IN WITH THE DRUGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. YOU'RE A PART OF THIS COMMITTEE. SO THAT YOU'RE INSTRUCTING THAT COMMITTEE, HOW TO GET OUR PEOPLE LOBBYING FOR THE RIGHT THING AT THE FEDERAL, THE HIGHER UP THE STATE LEVEL. SO JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE HANDS IN IT PER SE, FROM A TOWN COUNCIL SEAT, DOESN'T NEGATE THAT YOU CAN INFLUENCE. THAT'S GOOD. AND MAYBE IT'S CAUSE MY COMMITTEE EVER MET LAST YEAR THAT I DIDN'T REALIZE TWO YEARS AGO IN 20, 20 HALF THIS YEAR, I JUST WENT, I LOOKED OVER THAT. I WAS LIKE, THIS IS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT THING. AND IT'S LIKE, BUT THERE ARE PLACES THAT DO HAVE THE SCHOOLS AND DO HAVE THE PARKS THOUGH. RIGHT. ANYWAY, I'LL BE GLAD TO STAY ON MINE. AND I LOOKED AT BREAD. UM, NO WITH MY INTEREST IN THE FOIL LAWS AND THE RESEARCH AND TRAVELS THAT I'VE DONE TO RICHMOND AND I MET WITH THE FOYER DEPARTMENT, I'D BE INTERESTED IN BEING ON THE GENERAL LAWS. OKAY. THAT'S PERFECT. CAUSE COUNCILMAN BOY'S NO LONGER YOURS. OKAY. SO ARE YOU INFRASTRUCTURE AND MS. YOU'RE WRITING THIS DOWN. WELL, SHOULD HE MOVED DOWN TO INFRASTRUCTURE? THAT'S YOUR THING? INFRASTRUCTURE TREATMENT, INFRASTRUCTURE, INFRASTRUCTURE. ABOUT THOSE HOSES AND ALL THAT ONLY FIVE SPOTS. AND THERE'S ONLY FIVE OF US. WE DON'T WANT TO DOUBLE UP. THAT MEANS THAT AS WE'RE DRAWING THESE STRAWS, JEFF, JOE, SO JOE, YOU GOT FINANCE OR FOUR OR FIVE I MEAN, FINANCE IS MY OTHER CONSIDERATION, BUT I'M FAR MORE INTERESTED [01:00:01] IN, SO ON FINANCES, EVERYBODY GOOD WAS SO IT'LL BE, IT WILL BE COUNCILMAN, UM, MCFADDEN AND BJ. CAUSE YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE A STAFF MEMBER. UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER, UH, MR. HEX, ARE THERE ANY OTHER OF THESE COMMITTEES WHERE, CAUSE WE'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE AN INTEREST IN BECAUSE WELL, GEORGE SHOULD BE, I THINK ON THE GENERAL LAW, BECAUSE IN THE PAST THE ATTORNEY PARTICIPATED IT'S ABOUT LAW. THE COURT ISSUES. IT'S UP. IT'S UP TO YOU. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? STEVEN? ARE YOU OKAY WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SINCE YOU'VE GOT THAT WHEELHOUSE TOO. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE COVERED FINANCE, WE GOT COVERED GENERAL LAWS. WE GOT COVERED IT. SORRY. NOBODY WANTS TO GO WITH ME ON MY EDUCATION. I'LL LET Y'ALL KNOW WHO, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS FIVE I THINK IT WOULD BE CAUSE IT'S NATURAL RESOURCES. YOU HAVE TWO ELECTED OFFICIALS. I HATE, I HATE TO JUST ASK . YEAH. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T SHOW UP? YOU GET APPOINTED. NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. UM, WE COULD ASK HIM MOST PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTORS. WELL, THERE YOU GO. HEY WONDER. OH, THAT'S GOOD. OKAY. WELL MAN, THAT WENT WELL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, NUMBER FIVE IS OPEN. ANYBODY, ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO OPEN? I DO SHAKE AND GO FIRST. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE SAME THING. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO DISCUSS THE EMAILS THAT WE HAD EARLIER THIS WEEK AND FOLLOW UP IN REGARDS TO THE FACADE AND THE TRANSFERABILITY AND WHAT THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO DO TO, UM, CONSIDER MAKING THAT HAPPEN AND KIND OF GET THE TEMPERATURE OF THE FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT. MY OPINION IS THE FACADE AND THE GRANT WAS SOMETHING THAT BENEFITS DOWNTOWN, NOT THE PROPERTY OWNER. I AGREE. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO OWNS THE BUILDING. IT'S THE TOWN AND DOWNTOWN THAT'S BENEFITING FROM THAT. I AGREE WITH THAT. THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO LOOK AT IT. SO, UM, MAYBE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE PUBLIC TO EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT. SURE. SO YOU WANT TO GET WITHOUT, WITHOUT ANY, UH, IF IT'S OKAY IF HE WANTS TO SPEAK, BUT ROB HERE, IF HE DOESN'T HAVE TO GIVE HIM ONE, TWO, WE CAN BRING IT TO THE TABLE. IF YOU WANT US TO, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON IT YOUR WAY, WHY, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD? CAUSE WE KIND BEEN AT WORK SESSIONS. WE GENERALLY ARE JUST HAVING A, DO YOU WANT TO, I JUST WANT, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN DIRECTLY. YEAH. AND HE BROUGHT HIM, YOU DID BRING THE PROGRAM INTO, INTO THE TOWN AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. WORKED VERY HARD ON THAT. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ROB, I MEAN, YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT. IF YOU WANT TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND JUST GIVE US HAPPY TO, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE SOME BACKGROUND ON HOW WE GOT TO THIS, HOW WE GOT TO THE PROGRAM AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF FOR SOME IT'S ANCIENT HISTORY, RIGHT? SOME OF US KNEW AGAIN, I WAS ON PLANNING WHEN THIS CAME THROUGH. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT BIT FOR SOME OF US IT'S VERY NEW. AND IF YOU COULD JUST BRING, IT'S JUST, HOW DID THIS COME ABOUT SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION? SURE. UM, AND WAS 2016, THE TOWN STARTED WORKING ON, IT WAS SORT OF AN EXTENSION THAT, YOU KNOW, THE VIRGINIA MAIN PROGRAM, SEVERAL GRANTS OVER THE YEARS, THE TOWN HAS APPLIED FOR SUCCESSFULLY OR UNSUCCESSFULLY. AND I THINK IT WAS THE 2016 TIMEFRAME. WE PUT TOGETHER A COMMITTEE TO APPLY FOR THE PLANNING GRANT, WHICH WOULD IF RECEIVED FUND THE ULTIMATE APPLICATION FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, WHICH WAS ULTIMATELY ABOUT, ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS THAT CAME FROM THE STATE, THE ORIGINATES FEDERAL LEVEL, IT COMES DOWN THROUGH PAC D AND THEN GETS AWARDED TO VARIOUS MUNICIPALITIES THAT WHEN THAT GRANT ACROSS THE STATE AND THE, THE TOWN IN RECIPIENT IN RECEIVING THAT, UH, PLEDGES TO MATCH THAT AMOUNT, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 970 GRAND OR IN THAT MOMENT PARK THROUGH A COMBINATION OF STAFF HOURS AND IN KIND AND PRIVATE INVESTMENT. SO NECKING DOWN WITHIN THAT PROGRAM, WHICH, UH, THERE WAS, UM, A MURAL PIECE OF IT, STREETSCAPES, UH, SIGNAGE, UH, SO 16. SO WE STARTED THE PLANNING PROCESS OR THINKING AS 18, 19 TIMEFRAME. WE WERE C GRANT ITSELF. AND THEN THROUGH 19 AND 20, WE STARTED IMPLEMENTING WE, I WAS ON THE COMMUNITY OWN BLOCK GRANT COMMITTEE AT THE TIME AND, UM, STARTED ACTUALLY SPENDING THE DOLLARS. SO WITHIN THAT PROGRAM, THAT WAS, UH, ONE SMALLER PIECE OF IT WAS THE FACADE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, WHICH ALLOWED, UH, ELIGIBLE COMMERCIAL OWNERS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT APPLIED FOR THE PROGRAM, UH, TO RECEIVE GRANT MONIES UP TO IT'S USUALLY AROUND [01:05:01] $20,000 PER BUILDING IN A VERY BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING ON THE STORE PAGE AT THE END, I THINK IT WENT UP AT THE END BECAUSE WE HAD SOME DOLLARS LEFT OVER. SO, UM, SO LONG AS THEY HAD SPENT, UH, YOU KNOW, A DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR MATCH ON THEIR OWN BUILDING AND ANY ARTIFACTS, ANY INFRASTRUCTURE, ANY IMPROVEMENTS. SO IT COULD, THEY COULD REPLACE A HEAT PUMP $10,000 AND RECEIVE A $10,000 GRANT, UM, THAT COULD ONLY BE SPENT ON PUBLIC FACING ASPECTS OF THE BUILDING. SO PAINTING WINDOWS, DOORS ON AND THROUGH SOMETHING THAT PUBLIC GOOD, UM, VISIBLY BENEFIT THEM. UH, SO WE PARTICIPATED IN THAT AND READ MAIN STREET BUILDINGS, UM, OUR INVESTMENT GROUP AND, UH, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE PROGRAM, BEING ADVERTISED BOTH TO, UH, THE TOWN AS A WHOLE, BEFORE YOU EVEN APPLIED FOR IT, ULTIMATELY THE LANDLORDS AND THEN THROUGH, UM, THE RECEIVING OF THE GRANT AND THEN THE EXECUTION OF THE CONTRACTS BETWEEN, UH, WHAT ULTIMATELY BECAME BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE BUILDING OWNERS, THE TRANSFERABILITY OF THE GRANT WAS ALWAYS A, YOU SET UP THE PROGRAM AND REMEMBER IN THIS ROOM MANY TIMES I COMING UP CAUSE LENDERS SAID, OH GOSH, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD DEAL, BUT I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANYTHING ON THAT'S GOING TO ENCUMBER WHAT I MIGHT DO OR NOT DO WITH THE BUILDING DOWN THE ROAD OR PASS IT ONTO ME, OR WHAT HAVE YOU. SO THE WAY THE GRANT WORKS HAS RECEIVED THE $20,000, FOR EXAMPLE, EACH YEAR AFTER RECEIVING THE GRANT 20% OF THAT GRANT AMOUNT RETIRES. SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY A 0% INTEREST LOAN AFTER FIVE YEARS GOES TO ZERO. UM, IF THE BUILDING IS SOLD DURING THAT FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, AGAIN, AS I UNDERSTAND IT AND OUR CONTRACT, AND AS IT WAS VERY CLEARLY ALWAYS MARKETED TO THE BUILDING OWNERS, THAT REMAINING BALANCE, WHETHER IT WAS ON DAY ONE OR THEY LAST BEFORE THE YEAR FIVE IS OVER, WE'D GET TRANSFERRED, ASSUMING THE BUYER ASSUMED THE REMAINING BALANCE. SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE TWO AND A HALF YEARS INTO IT, YOU GOT A $20,000, $10,000 LEFT, THE BUYER CAN ASSUME IT, AND ESSENTIALLY HAS TO ABIDE BY ALL THE SAME TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT THE ORIGINAL OWNER DID, WHICH IS IN SUMMARY, BE A GOOD LANDLORD, PAY YOUR TAXES, KEEP THE BUILDING LEASED, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN THE BUILDING. DON'T DO ANYTHING TO IMPAIR THE GRANT MONIES THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED. UM, SO WE HAD AN UNSOLICITED OFFER FOR A BUILDING ON MAIN STREET. UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, THE BUILDING WAS NOT MARKETED FOR SALE. WE WERE ACTUALLY LEASING AN UPSTAIRS OFFICE. UM, THERE WAS AVAILABLE FOR LEASE AT A LAW FIRM FROM A WINCHESTER, CAME AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. AND IN THE MIDST OF SEEING THE OFFICE AND SAID, WOULD YOU EVER CONSIDER SELLING THE BUILDING? SO WE SORT OF HAD DISCUSSIONS, ULTIMATELY THAT'S THE BUILDING THAT WENT UNDER CONTRACT FOR SALE. UM, SO WE'RE TRYING, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO CLOSE ON A SALE OF THAT BUILDING FOR ABOUT A COUPLE OF MONTHS. UM, YOU KNOW, I COMPLETELY, IT WAS OUT OF OFF MY RADAR ABOUT THE REMAINING GRANT DOLLARS. ALL I KNEW IS THAT THIS WAS ALWAYS A TRANSFERRABLE, UH, OBLIGATION, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT. AND THE BUYER AGREED TO ASSUME THAT, SO THAT'S WHAT SPECIFICALLY GOT ME REINVOLVED ON THIS BUILDING. BUT, UH, AS, AS, AS I SHARED WITH EVERYONE I'VE TALKED TO ABOUT IT, UH, ALL OF A SUDDEN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE THE LAST BUILDING THAT PROBABLY SELLS THE FIVE-YEAR PERIOD. SO IT'S AN ACUTE CONCERN OF MINE NOW. UH, BUT YOU'LL BE CONFRONTED WITH THAT AGAIN, BEFORE THE FIVE-YEARS OVER WITH OTHER BUILDING OWNERS. UM, SO THEY LOAD UP TOO MUCH. YEAH. SO I THINK WE'VE COVERED WHERE THE, UM, MISCOMMUNICATION MAYBE SEEMS LIKE HOW I SAID THIS OUT TO LEGAL FOR THEIR, UM, OPINION ON IT. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE LETTER OF INTENT HAD THE ASSIGNMENT LANGUAGE IN IT, BUT THE DEED OF TRUST DOES NOT. AND ALSO, UM, WHEN TOWN COUNCIL ADOPTED THE POLICY IN 2018, IT DID NOT HAVE THAT IN IT EITHER. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE CONSENSUS FROM COUNCIL TO CHANGE THAT POLICY, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GUYS CAN READ AND, AND JIM'S EMAIL, WE HAVE TO THEN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. UM, FIRST AND SECOND LIEN HOLDERS CHANGING ON THE DEED OF TRUST. IS THERE ANY OTHER FEEDBACK FROM ANY OF YOU LIKE TO THINK THAT YEAH, SO AS YOU ALL KNOW, I'M IN, I'M IN LENDING AND WITH THE PRICES OF THE BUILDINGS ON MAIN STREET BEING APPRAISED AND ASSESSED AT WHAT THEY ARE RIGHT NOW. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE GETTING UNSOLICITED OFFERS AND MARKETING THEIR BUILDINGS FOR SALE. SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE FIRST ONE WE'RE GOING TO SEE. I THINK IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET IN FRONT OF IT BEFORE I CAN HAVE MULTIPLE CASES OF THIS. AND IT'S MY ASSUMPTION, THEN THE IDEA FROM WHAT, SO FOR EXAMPLE, MR. MCDOUGALL SELLS HIS PROPERTY, THE PERSON'S BUYING IT, AM I CORRECT? [01:10:01] THEN THE ASSUMES THE GRANT, RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S HOW THE LETTER OF INTENT ACTUALLY READ THE BLOCK GRANT, BUT RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THAT IT IS NOT IN THE POLICY THAT TOWN COUNCIL ADOPTED IN 2018, DOESN'T SAY THAT EITHER. IT SAYS THAT, UM, IF IT'S TRANSFERRED, THE BALANCE OF THE NOTE IS DUE AND PAYABLE. UM, AND THEN THERE WERE AMENDMENTS TO THE POLICY IN 2020 THAT DIDN'T CHANGE THAT EITHER. SO IF WE LEAVE IT AS IT IS, THE PROBLEM IS, IS IF HE WOULD HAVE TO SELL HIS BUILDING, HE WOULD HAVE TO PAY OFF THE BALANCE OF THE, AND I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE IF HE PAYS OFF THE BALANCE OF THE GRANT THAT HE GOT, IT'S STILL GRANT MONEY THAT THE TOWN WAS GIVEN. SO I HAVE ANOTHER GRANT. OKAY. SO THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION WAS HOW DO WE MAKE MONEY OFF A GREAT, SO WE'D HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER PROPERTY UNDER THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO, AND THE APPROPRIATE IT WAS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL. IT SAYS THE MONEY COMES BACK FOR OTHER PROJECTS. GOT YOU. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION? MY NEXT QUESTION WAS WHAT WOULD BE THE BENEFIT OF NOT DOING THIS? SO IS THAT THE IDEA OF, FROM WHAT YOU TWO GENTLEMEN ARE SAYING IS, IS THAT THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT, THAT THE MONEY WOULD COME BACK AND THAT GRANT MONEY WOULD BE BASED ON THE AGREEMENT, THE AGREEMENT THAT ARE WHAT THEY ADOPTED AT 2018. OKAY. WELL, WHAT, WHAT I HOPE WILL END UP GOING FORWARD IS THAT THE WAY I SEE IT IS IT SHOULDN'T MATTER WHO THE BEST IS IN THE PROPERTY AND THE OUTCOME AND, AND, AND HOW MUCH ANYONE'S GETTING FOR THE PROPERTY OR WHATEVER THE GOAL IS AN IMPROVED DOWNTOWN. SO I HOPE WE CHANGE THE POLICY OR COUNCIL CONSIDER SO THAT ANY OF THE FUNDS THAT WENT INTO THE INVESTMENT OF THE FACADE AS THIS TRANSFER OVER TO THE NEW OWNER AND THAT'S YEAH, WELL, THAT'S MY THINKING IS THE BENEFITS ALREADY, THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE HURTING. THE IMPROVEMENTS ALREADY BEEN MADE. IT'S NOT LIKE BY THEM SELLING IT, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ALL THE FACADE AWAY. OH, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO TAKE IT BACK AND SELL ANOTHER BUSINESS. NOW YOU INVEST AND WE'LL GIVE IT TO YOU. AND THEN WE'LL TAKE IT BACK FROM YOU AND MAKE ANOTHER BUILDING TEND TO STILL CONTAIN BECAUSE THAT MONEY IS STILL INVESTED IN A PROPERTY THAT STILL EXISTS IN DOWNTOWN. IT'S STILL INCLUDED. BUT I MEAN, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE WERE KNOCKING DOWN THE DOOR AT TOWN HALL TO GET THIS GRANT AND INVEST IN THEIR PROPERTY. SO WE WERE VERY THANKFUL FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DID TAKE IT BECAUSE SOME BUILDINGS SHOULD HAVE THE BENEFITS ALREADY HAPPENED AND BRING TO THE TABLE FOR THIS DISCUSSION. THE DISCUSSION IS THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED. A LOT OF THEM HAVE THIS VERY LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT IT'S TRANSFERABLE AND IT'S UNDERSTOOD BY MANY OF THESE BUILDING OWNERS THAT WHAT'D BE TRANSFERRABLE. SO AGAIN, I JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST CHALK IT UP TO SOME KIND OF MISUNDERSTANDING, BUT I MEAN, THIS IS A DRAFT VERSION. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S REAL, BUT IT'S LITERALLY SAYS THE PROPERTY MAY BE SOLD DURING THE DETERMINED PERIOD, BUT THE LIEN AMOUNT WOULD BE TRANSFERRED TO THE NEW OWNER. I MEAN, SO THESE ARE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE, THAT WERE PUT AROUND AT THE SAME TIME. AND SO AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE THE INTENT IS STILL CONTAINED WHEN WE DO THIS. WE'RE NOT LOSING THAT MONEY OR LOSING THAT. NO, WE'RE NOT LOSING ANYTHING AT ALL. SO STEPHEN, CAN WE HAVE, CAN WE HAVE STAFF GO AHEAD AND WORK ON UPDATING THE LANGUAGE TO CORRECT THIS ISSUE? AND HE CAN ONLY UPDATE THE LANGUAGE. COUNCIL'S THE ONLY, HE BRINGS THAT UP. ACCORDING TO JIM CORNWALL'S EMAIL, THE TOWN HIRED A CONSULTANT, SOME IN SOME, UH, SUMMIT SUMMIT, A SUMMIT DESIGN AND ENGINEERING FOR $70,000 BECAUSE THEY KNOW HOW GRANT PROGRAMS WORK. UM, THEY SUPPLIED THE DOCUMENTS AS FAR AS I KNOW, I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT AT THE TIME, BUT SUMMIT PROVIDED THE DOCUMENTS. SO CAN SOMEONE REACH OUT TO SUMMIT AND ASK THEM A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCESS AND MOVE IF WE ARE ABLE TO DO SO TO GET THE ISSUE? CORRECT. IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S A LOT OF NOW. AND I THINK SOME OF IT'S STILL UNDER CONTRACT BECAUSE THE PROGRAM IS STILL OPEN. IT HAS TO GET CLOSED OUT EVENTUALLY. THEN THERE HAS TO BE COMPLIANCE. IF WE CHANGED OUR AGREEMENT WITH SUMMIT, WE WOULD BE IN COMPLIANT, A PEER COUNSELOR, TOM. YEAH. I MEAN, WE ALREADY HAD THE EXISTING DOCUMENTS ASSISTS, AMENDING THE CURRENT LAW TO MAKE SURE IT COULD TRANSFER AND WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE. I THINK IT'S, IT'S MORE JUST A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM. I REQUEST THAT COUNCIL SUPPORTS US BRINGING THIS TO THE 23RD, UH, AGENDA. UM, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT COULD BE UNDER CONSENT OR A BUSINESS ITEM MS. PRESLEY, BUT YEAH. OR WE COULD PUT IT A BUSINESS ITEM CLARIFY TO MAKE [01:15:01] SURE THAT CLARIFY FOR OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS. SO IF IT'S OKAY WITH COUNCIL, WE'LL TRY TO BRING THIS UP AND ON THE 23RD, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY, LIKE, IN MY HEAD, I'M TRYING TO SAY, THINK, WHY WOULD, WHY WOULD THEY HAVE WANTED IT TO BE THAT WAY? I ANTICIPATED PEOPLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE FUNDS PRETTY QUICKLY, AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN AND REJIG OR TAKE OFF, THEY THOUGHT PEOPLE WERE GONNA BE COMING FOR THE MONEY ON THIS. WE DID THINK THAT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A, UM, UH, A LOT OF INTERESTS, BUT THEN WE SOLICITED FOR BIDS. THE BIDS CAME BACK MUCH HIGHER THAN WHAT WAS ANTICIPATED. AND THEN WE HAD TO RE VAMP THE ENTIRE PROGRAM. NO, I REMEMBER I WAS, I WAS PART OF THAT PART, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I GUESS THE ONLY IS THE LANGUAGE IN THERE TO PROTECT THE IDEA THAT A PERSON TAKES THE MONEY, IMPROVES THEIR PROPERTY AND THEN SELLS IT AND NEVER GIVES THE MONEY BACK FOR THE GRANT. WAS THAT WHAT IT WAS? UM, BUT, BUT IF IT TRANSFERS ONTO THE NEW PERSON THAT BUYS IT, THEN IT DOESN'T, IF THEY'RE STILL INDEBTED TO THAT. YEAH. I MEAN, YEAH, YEAH. BUT AGAIN, I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHY, WHY THEY, WHY THAT LANGUAGE, WHY PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT LANGUAGE WAS A GOOD IDEA. WE'VE SEEN. IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS JUST SOME KIND OF LIKE, YEAH, WE HATE THAT TOO. I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT, BUT FOR ME, I JUST SAY, CAN WE MOVE FORWARD AND MAKE THIS RIGHT? AND THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY I, AGAIN, WE'D GO BACK AND LOOK AT MINUTES, WE COULD TRY TO FIND OUT ALL THE INS AND OUTS AND POINT FINGERS OR WHATEVER. I DON'T THINK THAT MATTERS. I THINK WHAT MATTERS IS JUST, CAN WE MAKE IT RIGHT? CAN WE GET IT RIGHT? YEAH, NO, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I JUST WOULD BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHY THEY, WHY THEY WANTED IT THAT WAY. WAS THERE, IS THERE SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW THAT LEGAL WOULD KNOW SOONER? THAT'S WHY THEY'RE GOING TO POSSIBLY HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH SUMMIT. WHO'S LIKE THE EXPERT AT GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT GRANTS. YEP. GOTCHA, GOTCHA. GOTCHA. BUT THE BENEFITS ARE ALREADY THERE. IT'S ALREADY HAPPENED. THEY'VE ALREADY IMPROVED THE PROPERTY, SO ALL RIGHT. DOWNTOWN LOOKS GREAT. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT WAS THE OPEN. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING FOR OPEN DO? OKAY. UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WILL BE APPOINTING MS. TELLER, A BETTER ABOVE. SHE'S A RISING SENIOR AT SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL. AND SO I THOUGHT I'D SHARE THAT WITH YOU ALL. NOW WE'LL BE SENDING HER. AND WE ALREADY SENT HER A LETTER SIGNED YESTERDAY THAT OLDER STUDENTS ALSO, UM, I WANT TO MENTION THE PROSPECT STREET BRIDGE. UH, WE'VE BEEN GETTING BIDS IN AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE HIGHER THAN WHAT WE BUDGETED AT THIS POINT. SO WE'RE GOING TO REVISIT THAT AND PUT THE BID BACK OUT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT WE'RE STILL MOVING FORWARD WITH IT. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE TRY TO LOOK AT THE BIDS AND SEE, WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMY WERE MUCH HIGHER THAN ANTICIPATED. GOTTA BE DONE. THAT'S A GOAT PATH. NO. SO BASICALLY THE SPORT'S DIRECTION. WELL, IT'S THE YES, THE COUNTRY. AND THEN THE, UM, UH, SO IT WAS ACTUALLY, UH, UM, ORIGINALLY OUR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS WE ADDED OUT ONCE A FORBID, WE HAD A PRE-BID MEETING AND THE, UM, UH, THE SPORTS STRUCTURE, WE WERE GOING TO HAVE IT TAKEN OUT SANDBLASTED AND RECODED COME TO FIND OUT THAT'S MORE EXPENSIVE THAN ACTUALLY GETTING NEW STRUCTURE. SO YES, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. SO THEN WE PUT IT BACK OUT FOR THE NEW STRUCTURE AND YEAH, I WAS FORWARDING AND IT'S GOING TO STAY THE SAME SIZE. RIGHT. IT'S GOING TO BE A ONE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A TWO LANE BRIDGE. IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME SIZE. SO GOING TO BE ONE PERSON , UM, IT WAS GOING TO REPLACE IT WITH A CONCRETE SUBSTRUCTURE INSTEAD OF THE, UH, THE BOARDS. UM, AND, UH, AND TAKE CARE OF, LIKE YOU SAY, SOME OF THE MASONRY WORK AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT YEAH. HI, I'M 200,000, 200, 2000 A QUARTER, QUARTER MILLIONS, BUT WITH A BUDGET IN AND A HAT, AND THEN THE SECOND BIG COMMAND ABOUT MILLION, SOMEBODY WAS MAKING A BIG PROFIT MARGIN. I KNOW WE HAD GONE UP DOUBLE THAT ONE CAME IN UNDER A MILLION QUADRUPLE. THAT THAT'S SEEMS LIKE A LOT. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE MR. HIGGS OR ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS ANYTHING FOR OPEN? NOPE. OKAY. WELL, ABSOLUTELY GO RIGHT ON. WELL, THEY'VE MADE HER MOVE AT TOWN COUNCIL CONVENIENT, GO TO CLOSE MEETING FOR THE FOLLOWING ONE. THIS QUESTION, CONSIDERATION ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION SALARIES, PENDING OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICER'S APPOINTEES [01:20:01] OR EMPLOYEE THAT ANY PUBLIC BODIES SPECIFIC TO THE TOWN MANAGERS EVALUATION PER SLANT TO VIRGINIA COATS. YOU 0.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 0.8 0.21 OF THE PORT OF VIRGINIA. AND FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL IN BRIEFINGS BY STAFF MEMBERS OR CONSULTANTS PERTAINING TO ACTUAL LITIGATION, SPECIFICALLY JENNIFER BARRY BROWN VERSUS TOWN OF FRONT RULE WHERE SUCH CONSULTATION OR BRIEFING AN OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NEGOTIATING OR LITIGATING TROSTER OF THE PUBLIC BODY. ALSO PURSUANT TO 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 BUT EIGHT. OKAY. KIND OF MOTION. DO I HEAR A SECOND? OKAY. WE'VE GOT TO MOVE. SHE GOT A SECOND ROLL CALL. OKAY. UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO CLOSE ME JUST REAL QUICKLY POTTY BREAK. YEP. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO DO. SO ANYBODY NEEDS READY TO GO? I MOVE THAT COUNCIL CERTIFIES THAT TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE AS RECOGNIZED BY EACH COUNCIL MEMBERS AFFIRMATIVE VOTE THAT ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED WERE HEARD AND DISCUSSED OR CONSIDERED AND NAMED BY COUNCIL AND THAT THE VOTE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF COUNCIL BE TAKEN BY ROLL CALL AND RECORDED AND INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF POUND COUNCIL. OKAY. HAVE A SECOND ROLL CALL, COUNSELOR GILLESPIE COUNSEL COCKEREL. YES. YES, YES, JOE. YES. OUTTA HERE A LONG TIME AGO. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.