* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] YEAH, HE SHOULD BE HERE. ALL RIGHT. WHEN HE COMES THROUGH, HE'S NOT BABYSITTING [Town Council Work Session on April 11, 2022.] TONIGHT. THE JOINT MEETING BETWEEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND FRIEDA AND TOWN COUNCIL FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UPDATE PRESENTATION. UH, STEVEN, DID YOU WANT TO TAKE HIM TO GET IT WRONG OR AN OVER TO LAUREN OR? UM, THIS IS MICHAEL . HE IS WITH SUMMIT PLAN. HE'S JUST GOING TO BE GIVING YOU AN UPDATE WHERE WE'RE AT. UM, GOOD EVENING. SO, UH, SHE SAID I MET LATER IN ENGINEERING SERVICES. UNFORTUNATELY, MY COLLEAGUE AND DARBY, YOU MIGHT'VE MET BEFORE, AND I WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT TODAY. HOWEVER, I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU THIS UPDATE ON THE PROGRESS WE'VE BEEN MAKING THUS FAR. SO HERE'S AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT'S BEEN DELIVERED AND I'M GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH EACH ONE. UM, ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE ON THE PLAN'S WEBSITE AND WE'VE INCLUDED SCREENSHOTS HERE JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU'LL SEE ON THERE. YES. SO, SO HERE'S THE PLAN WEBSITE. UM, IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, THE LANDING PAGE, IT'S HOSTED ALL OF OUR DOCUMENTS, UM, AND PUBLIC IMMEDIATE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THUS FAR. UM, WE'LL CONTINUE USING THIS POST, UM, INFORMATION ON DIFFERENT EVENTS CAN MAKE OUT FROM IN DIFFERENT DRAFT DOCUMENTS AS THEY OCCUR. UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE DOCUMENTS ARE AVAILABLE AT THE BOTTOM, UH, YOU CAN INTERACT WITH THE COMMENT MAP DIVISION STATEMENT INPUT, BUT THE SURVEY IS OBVIOUSLY CLOSED. NOW, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE PARTICIPATION NOW, WHERE WE RECEIVED A LOT OF GREAT FEEDBACK GEOGRAPHICALLY TO SHOW WHERE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THINK TRANSPORTATION ISSUES ARE, UM, ARE PLACES THAT ARE THEIR FAVORITE. UM, SO SOME OF THE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN VERY USEFUL, LIKE WHERE A BUS STOP COULD GO OR WHERE THEY'RE PARKING ISSUES. UM, SOME OF THE COMMENTS WERE VERY ILLUMINATING ABOUT THE TOWN SUCH AS A FAVORITE SHOP OR RESTAURANT, UH, BUT THEY MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY MAKE IT INTO THE POLICY-BASED SECTIONS OF THE PLAN. SO WE'VE HANDED OUT THESE BUSINESS CARDS AND WE LEFT THEM IN A NUMBER OF SHOPS AROUND TOWN AND GIVING THEM OUT TO 10 STAFF, AS WELL AS ANYBODY WHO CAME OUT TO THE COMMUNITY KICKOFF MEETING. WE BROUGHT MORE TONIGHT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF ANYBODY WANTS ANY, WE CAN JUST KEEP FUNNELING PEOPLE TO THE PLAN WEBSITE FOR ALL OF THIS INFORMATION, BUT, BUT THE SURVEY IS CLOSED. RIGHT, RIGHT. THE SURVEY'S CLOSED NOW. UM, AND THAT BRINGS ME TO MY NEXT, MY NEXT SLIDE, WHICH IS THAT THE SURVEY RESULTS ARE POSTED, UM, YOU KNOW, FIND INFORMATION ABOUT THE, THE RESPONDENTS THEMSELVES AND, UM, JUST WHAT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT IDEAS FOR THE TOWN. UM, ALL OF THAT INFORMATION SUPPOSED TO MEET SURVEY SUMMARY. SO THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT, WHICH IS PROVIDES THE KIND OF DATA DRIVEN BASIS FOR THE PLAN IT'S ALSO AVAILABLE ON. THERE INCLUDES LOTS OF INFORMATION ON DEMOGRAPHICS, HOUSING, TRANSPORTATION, EMPLOYMENT EDUCATION, OR THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF MAPS, UM, SUCH AS FLOOD PLAINS, UH, SOILS, EXISTING ZONING, STEEP SLOPES, AND, UH, SOME ANALYSIS OF LAND SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT BASED ON SLOPES AND FLOODPLAINS. AND THAT'S GOOD THING. UM, SO THE, ALL OF THIS WORK HAS FED INTO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DRAFT VISION GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, WHICH WAS THE LATEST THING THAT WAS UPLOADED TO THE WEBSITE, UH, THROUGH COMMUNITY INPUT ON THE VISION AND WITH THE INDIVIDUAL LANGUAGE, WE SORT OF KICK USED IT, THE KICKOFF MEETING. UM, WE CONTINUED THE STATEMENT INTO THAT DOCUMENT, BUT THE, A BLANK MISSION IS STILL CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH THEIR COMMENTS. SO THEY WILL BE SPEAKING THE LANGUAGE SORT OF THAT YOU SEE HERE. UM, AND WE HAVE YET TO SIT THROUGH THOSE COMMENTS. SO WE'LL UTILIZE THAT TO MAKE EDITS, BUT IF ANYBODY HERE AT THIS STAGE HAS COMMENTS, NO LICK AND FOLLOW THEM TO LAUREN AND SHE'LL PASS THEM ONTO US AND WE'LL HAVE IT. IT'LL BE VERY VALUABLE AS WE CONTINUE DRAFTING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO THEY SAID THE TOPIC AREAS SORT OF ADDRESSED, INCLUDE SMALL TOWN, CHARACTER, LAND, USE MOBILITY, UM, TRANSPORTATION, ECONOMIC, AND SUSTAINABLE ECONOMIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY HOUSING, AND OTHER ISSUES THAT WE FEEL WILL CREATE A HOLISTIC SET OF POLICIES TO HELP IMPROVE A HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE IN TOWN. THE NEXT STEPS ARE GOING TO BE, UH, WE EXPECT THE DRAFT PLAN TO COME OUT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IN MAY, AND WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE WHERE YOU REMEMBER WHEN YOU COME AND SEE THE DRAFT PLAN AND DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF IT. UM, [00:05:01] IN JUNE, WE INTEND TO CONTINUE EDITING THE DRAFT PLAN AS NEEDED, AND WE'LL BEGIN TO UPDATE OF THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES, UH, AND ARTISTS, WE EXPECT TO HAVE A FINAL RECOMMENDATION ON THE FINAL PLAN FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH WILL ALLOW THE PLAN TO BE ADOPTED BY SEPTEMBER DUE TO ADVERTISE IT FOR THAT. UH, THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND IF YOU FEEL NEGATIVE SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO LAUREN AND SHE'LL GET IT BACK TO US. I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. YEAH. ONE OF THE BACK OF REAL QUICK, HOW FAR ALONG WILL THE, UH, THE DRAFT PLAN B BY THE TIME THE PUBLIC HAS A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN ON IT, WILL IT BE A SKELETON WILL BE REALLY FLESHED OUT HOW MUCH WILL BE, HOW MUCH CAN WE ACTUALLY MEND IT AT THAT POINT AND, AND MODIFY IT AND SAY, IT'LL BE PRETTY FLESHED OUT. IT'LL BE THE DRAFT PLAN. UM, BUT WE'LL STILL BE OBVIOUSLY OPEN TO COMMENTS TO CHANGES THAT SORT OF THING. UM, IT'S EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO IT HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, WORKED THROUGH THIS SURVEY COMMUNITY INPUT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND WITH THAT, WE USE IT TO DRAFT THE ACTUAL PLAN. SO WHAT YOU SEE SHOULD BE NOT SURPRISE. IT SHOULDN'T BLINDSIDE ANYONE AS TO WHAT IS IN IT. UM, AND WE DO THAT JUST TO KEEP EVERYBODY IN THE LOOP AND TRY TO BUILD CONSENSUS ABOUT IT SO WE CAN SEE IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE OPTION. GO BACK ONE FIVE TO THE TIMELINE, PLEASE. SURE ALL OF, ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS, ALL OF THE LOGISTICS, GRAPHS, EVERY MAPS, EVERYTHING IS ON THE WEBSITE AND WE CAN CERTAINLY GET A COPY OF THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT. SO, YOU KNOW, SO THE STAKEHOLDER SURVEY, IT SAYS CLOSE, RIGHT? WELL, WHEN YOU CLICK ON IT, IT SAYS VIEW RESULTS, BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE YOU TO ANY RESULTS. UM, SO THIS, THIS IS OUR FIRST TIME USING THE PUBLIC INPUT WEBSITE. UM, WE PUBLISHED OUR OWN SURVEY SUMMARY AND IT'S LIKELY THAT IT'S TRYING TO LINK TO ITS OWN PUBLIC INPUT REPORT WHEN YOU DOWNLOAD THAT. UM, IF IT LINKS TO A BLANK PAGE, UH, I APOLOGIZE AND WE'LL TRY TO REMOVE THAT BUTTON OR IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T LINK TO IT. IT LINKS BACK TO THE SURVEY, LIKE AS IF YOU CAN STILL TYPE IN AND DO THE SURVEY, BUT I JUST PLAYED AROUND ON IT. THERE'S A PDF VERSION OF THE SURVEY RESULTS, SO, RIGHT. OKAY. SO THEN THAT MUST BE PUBLIC INPUT, OWN A WAY OF DISPLAYING INFORMATION. WHEREAS IN THE SURVEY SUMMARY, WE SORT OF TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT WHAT THE RESULTS SORT OF MEAN. YEAH. I THINK THERE ARE TWO OTHER SECTIONS ON THERE THAT ARE OPEN RIGHT NOW. DO YOU, DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH TIME WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO ADD INPUT INTO THOSE SECTIONS? UM, I THINK OUR INTENTION IS TO LEAVE THOSE OPEN THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS. UM, ESPECIALLY FOR LIKE THE COMMENT MAP. IT JUST HELPS TO COLLECT DATA WHERE WE OTHERWISE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE IT ON THE GROUND. SIR. IS THERE A MERCHANT WITH THE CLIMATE COMMISSION UNDER THE DRAFT THERE'S AND GOALS AND OBJECTIVES? UM, WHAT DOES YOUR CUT OFF DATE FOR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION? UM, I'D SAY WE DON'T EXACTLY HAVE A CUTOFF DATE. UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO USE THIS TO CREATE THE ACTUAL DRAFT PLAN AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IS SORT OF BRINGING ALL THESE DOCUMENTS TOGETHER INTO ONE. UM, AND SO WE CAN SORT OF CONTINUE TAKING COMMENTS AND WORKSHOPPING DIFFERENT THINGS AS WE GO. I'D SAY, YOU KNOW, THE CUTOFF DATE WOULD PROBABLY BE SOME TIME BETWEEN THE END OF MAY AND JUNE, IF, YOU KNOW, JUST TO HAVE THE DRAFT PLAN, UH, READY TO GO FINAL. UM, SO I'D SAY WE'RE, WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO THAT FEEDBACK BECAUSE IT COULD COME THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME COMMENTS LATER AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED THAT WAS OVERLOOKED OR THAT SORT OF THING. YES. UM, IS [00:10:01] IT POSSIBLE, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE NOT THINKING IN THIS DIRECTION, BUT POSSIBLY COULD, UM, PARTS OF THIS BE RELEASED AS THEY ARE DRAFTED SO THAT WE COULD BE SEEING THEM EARLIER RATHER THAN WAITING UNTIL YOU HAVE GOTTEN THERE ALL THE I'S DOTTED AND T'S CROSSED. UH, AND THEN WE ALL GET IN THE BIG PACKAGE. I THINK LEAH MIGHT BE ABLE TO PAY A LITTLE MORE ATTENTION TO IT IF WE GOT, YOU KNOW, CHAPTERS ONE THROUGH THREE EARLY ON, GIVE US MORE TIME TO LOOK AT SURE WE CAN, WE CAN CARVE IT UP AND SEND IT THAT WAY. UM, WE JUST WANT TO, YEAH, I SAY THE DRAFT PLAN IS IF IT'S DISLIKE SEPARATE THING, CERTAINLY THERE'S ELEMENTS SUCH AS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT COMES ALONG WITH IT. THAT WILL BE NEW, BUT IN TERMS OF THE VISION GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, REALLY, WE'RE JUST TAKING, YOU KNOW, THE SURVEY SUMMARY, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND THERE'S DRAFT POLICIES YOU SAW AND KIND OF PUTTING THEM ALL TOGETHER TO CREATE IT. SO, UM, YEAH, SO WE CAN, WE CAN DESIGN IT THAT WAY OR WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE IT AS THIS DRAFT. SO THE INNER, NO, I'M JUST ASKING THE INTERACTIVE MAP. SO IS THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE TAPPED ON A SPOT AND THEN MAKE COMMENTS ON THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY SPECIFIC COMMENTS. LIKE WE NEED THIS HERE AND I'M THINKING IT'S BECAUSE THEY'VE DROPPED A PIN THERE, SO YOU KNOW WHAT, OKAY. YES. OR DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? UM, NO. I MEAN, IDEALLY I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE STRUCTURED FOR THE COMMENTS. UM, SO AS YOU, LIKE AS A BODY, WHEN YOU COME UP WITH YOUR FEEDBACK, IF YOU SEND IT TO ME THAT WAY I CAN KIND OF PACKAGE EVERYTHING UP AND SEND IT TO SOMEONE. I THINK THAT THAT'S A LITTLE MORE ORDERLY AWAY. WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY BIG 13 MINUTES NOW WHEN YOU'RE ADDING. ALL RIGHT. WELCOME EVERYBODY TO MONDAY WHO WASN'T 11, UH, COUNTING OUT THE WORK SESSION. UH, FIRST, UH, I WAS SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS BJ. THE COUNCIL IS TO BRING BACK SOME OPTIONS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 23 BUDGETS, UM, MAINLY FOR THE DRUG COURT. UM, AND ALSO, UH, REGARDING SOME QUESTIONS, HAVE A FEW THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO GO OVER, BUT I GUESS FIRST START US OFF WITH, FOR DRUG COURT FUNDING FOR $40,000 FOR THE FIRST YEAR. UM, I PUT DOWN TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS THERE. OBVIOUSLY WE CAN GO WITH ANY OF THESE OPTIONS AND NONE AT ALL, OR A COMBINATION THEREOF. UM, BUT I WAS TRYING TO SHOW THAT SOME OF THE POSSIBILITIES, UH, IF WE WANT TO GET FUNDING FOR THAT. SO THE FIRST OPTION THERE, UM, IS, UH, TAKING $3,000, UH, BUILDING INSPECTIONS, PART-TIME SALARIES AND BUILDING DEPARTMENTS ENTIRELY. AND THEN $3,000 FROM THE COUNCIL TRAVEL ON EDUCATION, $2,000 FOR THE COUNCILS, A TOWN MANAGER, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, OR $25,000, AND THEN $6,000 FROM 14 SPECIAL LENS, DON'T PUT 40,000 OPTION B, UH, AGAIN, THE $3,000 FOR PART-TIME SALARIES FOR THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS. AND THAT WHAT THAT WAS, I GUESS I SHOULD EXPLAIN THAT. I APOLOGIZE. IT WAS THE PAY FOR THE BOARD, FOR THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS. WE'RE NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVE THAT DEPARTMENT. I NO LONGER, WE WILL NO LONGER MEET THOSE FUNDS. I TALKING ABOUT THE 37,000, THE $3,000. UM, AND IT'S IN IT'S IN EVERY OPTION BECAUSE, UH, WE TOOK OUT THE BUILDING INSPECTION DEPARTMENT FROM THE, UH, FROM THE BUDGET THERE AND THEN, UH, UH, $37,000 FROM THE TOWN COUNCIL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR THE, UH, AA BONDING COUNCIL, UM, THAT WE'D SET ASIDE FOR TOTAL 40,000 AND THEN OPTION C UM, AGAIN, THE $3,000 AND THE PART-TIME SALARY, THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS, UH, REMOVED $25,000 FOR A STRATEGIC PLAN FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING BUDGET PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, AND THEN $12,000 FOR THE FORM OF UPDATE PLANNING AND ZONING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR TOTAL $40,000. AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST SOME OPTIONS THROWN OUT THERE. UM, NOT TO SAY THAT WE HAVE TO GO WITH ANY OF THEM ARE MAKING THEIR OWN. THEY'RE CERTAINLY MAYBE OTHER PLACES. UM, [00:15:05] WOW. THE TIME OF THESE THREE OPTIONS, WHICH, WHICH ONE DO YOU THINK WOULD HAVE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF IMPACT THE TOWNS SERVICES AND HOW WE SERVE OUR CITIZENS? WHICH ONE DO YOU THINK WOULD THAT I'M JUST PROBABLY THE FIRST ONE THERE, OPTION A OKAY. WITH OPTION. AND I HAVE TO RESPECT THE TOURISM SPECIAL EVENTS. LIKE WE WENT THROUGH AT MANDATORY, THE MEETINGS AND STEVEN SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED MONEY FOR THAT FROM OUR BIGGER TOWARDS THEM BUDGET. SO I WOULD NOT WANT THAT $6,000 TO GO TO THE DRUG COURT PROGRAM. I MEAN, IT WAS A COMBINATION OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE. WELL, THE WAY I WAS LOOKING AT IT WAS WE HADN'T REALLY DETERMINED EXACTLY WHAT SPECIAL EVENTS WE WANTED TO HAVE YET, BUT THERE WAS 40,000 HOURS IN THERE. SO IT WOULD BE LEAVE 34,000 LEFT. UM, BUT I MEAN, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT TO SAY WE CAN'T, BUT THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT, CAUSE THAT QUESTION I HAD. SO THAT 6,000, WHEN IT COME UP, THE 40,000 THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR SPECIAL EVENTS AND I LEFT THE 4,000 VAIN. YEAH. WE STILL HAVE 34,000 BLACK DENIM. I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE, BUT STRATEGIC PLAN HERE AT OPTION C UM, FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING. NOW WE'RE DOING THE COMP PLAN AND UPDATING EVERYTHING ELSE. SO IS THAT AND NECESSITY AT THIS POINT? I MEAN, THE FORMS OF DATA UNDERSTAND IS FROM THE DATES THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN ON THOSE DIFFERENT FORMS, NOT NECESSARILY A NECESSITY, IT WAS THE PLAN TO COINCIDE THE BUDGET, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO IT WAS KIND OF LIKE THAT INTERMEDIARY, UM, AND IT IS CERTAINLY AN OPTION AS WELL. UM, THAT'S THE DOUBLE A BOND RATING. I KNOW THAT, I, I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF MY, MY MINI QUESTIONS IN THERE, BUT DOES THE TOWNHOUSE TROUBLE BORROWING MONEY RIGHT NOW? SO IS IT REALLY NECESSARY THAT WE PAY SOMEBODY JUST THAT OR PAY WHOEVER TO, TO BE ABLE TO IMPROVE OUR BOND RATING? IT'S NOT A NECESSITY. SO NOW DOES BE NICE TO STRENGTHEN OUR FISCAL POLICIES, BUT IT'S NEVER, IT'S NOT, YES, SIR. THAT'S ALREADY ON HERE. THAT'S ALREADY PART OF THE DISCUSSION ON PAGE THREE OF THIS OFFENSIVE OR THE FIRST PAGE OF QUESTIONS THAT LORI SENT. SO THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED. THANK YOU. SO OPTION B WOULD BE OKAY. UM, UH, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH ANY OF THEM OBVIOUSLY, BUT, UM, UH, JUST A MATTER OF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AND, YOU KNOW, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT IF WE GO THIS ROUTE, UM, FOR THE, I BELIEVE THE NEXT YEAR 50,000 NOW, RIGHT? AND I'M ALL FOR FUNDING THAT, SO DON'T WANT IT TO COME ACROSS WITH THEM, NOT FOR FUNDING IT AND ANY OF THESE THINGS BEING USED AND THAT THIS COMBINATION OR A DIFFERENT COMBINATION IS BY ME WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THAT 6,000 ONLY BECAUSE IT WAS SPECIFICALLY PETITIONED FROM THE ARPA FUNDS OR WHATEVER. NO, I DON'T THINK THAT 6,000 WAS FROM THE ART FUNDS WHEN WE HAD OUR MOA MEETING. REMEMBER ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS WHERE THE JOINT TOURISM COMMITTEE, AND REMEMBER WE HAD A LUMP SUM AND WE HAD TO DECIDE HOW WE WERE GOING TO SPEND THE FUNDS. AND HE SPECIFICALLY ASKED IF YOU COULD HAVE MONEY FOR THE TOWN. AND I THINK THAT WAS THE $6,000 WE COMPROMISE. I THINK YOU ASKED FOR 15 AND IT WAS A COMPROMISE DOWN TO SIX, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN AND COMPROMISE IT. BUT THEN IT WAS INCLUDED IN THAT OVERALL EVENT, 40,000, WHICH COULD BRING IT DOWN TO 33,000. SO WE COULD, UH, WE COULD GO AHEAD AND GIVE THE 6,000 UP AND WE WOULD STILL HAVE WHAT, $32,000. RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE, IF WE TAKE THIS OFF, THAT IT IS NOTED THAT THAT IS NOT THE MONEY THAT WAS RECEIVED FROM THE JOINT TOURISM COMMITTEE OR STAFF. THAT THAT'S MY POINT. WHAT'S THAT REALLY SIX. I THOUGHT THEY HAD WHITTLED IT DOWN TO LIKE, NO, NO, NO. WE WENT FROM LIKE 15 TO LIKE SIX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THE TOWN, THIS DEFINITELY THIS ONE, THE TOWN MANAGER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE BUDGETED THE IO AND WE WON'T BE HAVING THE PIO COME JULY 1ST. I'M FINE WITH OPTION A THEN AS LONG AS IT'S NOTED THAT THAT'S NOT WHERE THAT $6,000 IS. THAT'S PERFECT, RIGHT UP. OPTION NAME IS THE, UM, UM, FOR WHEN WE DO THE, UH, UH, PROOF, THE BUDGET, UH, TO MAKE THE CHANGES THAT ARE RECORDING, BUT THE AA BOND RATING COULD ALSO BE USED AT SOME POINT TO PAY FOR SOMETHING WE NEED TO. RIGHT. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE SAYING, I'M JUST THINKING, THE OTHER THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY ABOUT THE HEALTH INSURANCE, I'M JUST THINKING LIKE SCRAPING OUR PENNIES TOGETHER. SO WE MIGHT NEED THAT TOO. [00:20:01] ALRIGHTY. OKAY. YEAH. IT'S FINE ON THIS. UH, YEAH, I MEAN, JUST BASED ON WHAT HE SAID HERE, ALL THE OPTIONS ARE EQUAL. I MEAN, I'D PREFER TO SEE ONE THAT'S SIMPLER. WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH EXPLAINING TO DO ABOUT ALL THESE ONES, BUT I THINK OPTION B IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. I LIKE B JUST BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE MORE SIMPLE TO EXPLAIN THIS FROM GETTING THESE FUNDS FROM RIGHT. WE'RE NOT PULLING FROM LIKE FIVE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE BUDGET. I ONLY LIKE THE TOP ONE BECAUSE IT LOOKED LIKE TOWN COUNCIL WAS SACRIFICING TO KEEP THE MONEY BECAUSE IT REALLY WASN'T ABOUT THAT. WE DON'T HAVE SUBS THAT ARE MEETING, BUT AGAIN, SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS I HAVE THE TV, I KNOW YOU DON'T CARE. I'M STAYING THE 25,000 FOR THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT ARE GOING TO STOP JULY ONE. MAYBE THAT COULD BE USED. IT'S MORE THE, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU COULD FIND SOME THINGS IN THE BUDGET THAT WE COULD USE TO PRESENT OPTIONS. THREE OPTIONS ARE GOOD. THANK YOU. DO A GREAT JOB. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. THANKS VJ. WELL, QUITE A BIT MORE SO THE FIRST THING I WANT TO GO OVER IS LIKE WITH DISCUSSING THE HEALTH INSURANCE, UM, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT, SO, UM, UH, WITH THE HEALTH INSURANCE, UH, COUNCIL THAT MADE A MOTION FOR US TO MOVE OVER TO VIRGINIA HEALTH INSURANCE POOL BACK IN JANUARY. UM, LAST WEEK WE WERE TOLD THAT THE ONLY ONE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS GOING OVER TO THE VIRGINIA HEALTH POOL, UH, WHICH COULD SUSTAINABILITY OF THE HELPFUL. UM, SO GIVEN THE NEW INFORMATION, UH, STAFF FELT IT WAS IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO REMAIN WITH THE LIBERAL LIBERAL CHOICE. UM, LAST END OF LAST WEEK, WE CONTACTED LOCAL CHOICES THAT THEY WOULDN'T LET US BACK INTO THE POOL. UM, THE DOWNSIDE TO THAT AS THE LOCAL CHOICE, THE PREMIUM INCREASE WOULD BE 10 AND A HALF PERCENT AND INCLUDED 70% IN THE FISCAL YEAR, 23 BUDGET. UM, SO THE DELTA BETWEEN THE 23 BUDGET AND TLC'S INCREASES APPROXIMATELY $103,000, UM, FEELS THAT THE A HUNDRED, $3,000 COULD BE COVERED BY THE VACANT POSITIONS IN THE FISCAL YEAR. WELL, THERE'S LIKELY VACANT POSITIONS. CURRENTLY. WE HAVE 22 VACANT POSITIONS. UM, WE HAVE 22 VACANT POSITIONS, UH, WITH A NUMBER OF VACANT POSITIONS FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW. UM, I WOULD LOVE TO THINK THAT ALL OF THE POSITIONS CAN BE FILLED OUT A LITTLE BIT. UM, JUST GIVEN OUR CURRENT CLIMATE. I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING. UM, YES, IF BY CHANCE IS ALL THE POSITIONS WERE FILLED, WE COULD HAVE REVIEWED DWAYNE'S AND PROJECTS ARE JOINING THE SOMETHING AS WE DID WITH THE $40,000 OR JUST DID HERE. UM, BUT, UH, RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW, THE BUDGET. OKAY. WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME, THIS IS ME THINKING, LET'S JUST SAY WHERE YOU THINK OPTIONS. I DON'T KNOW WHICH OPTION, RIGHT. IT LOOKS TO ME THAT WE STILL HAVE $80,000 HERE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE USED TOWARDS THE HEALTH INSURANCE THROUGHOUT. EXACTLY. SO, AND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT HEALTH INSURANCE BEFORE, LIKE I SAID, THE INSURANCE IS GOING TO GO UP A LOT BECAUSE OF COVID AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND WE WERE TRYING TO, WE WANT IT TO KEEP IT LOW FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO FIND A WAY THAT WE CAN DO THIS NOW, WHAT ARE THERE, WHAT DO WE THINK THEIR PROJECTED INCREASE IS GOING TO BE ON THERE? KEEPING THAT LEVEL FOR THE EMPLOYEES? OKAY. SO THIS DOES KEEP, AND THE BURDEN ON THE TOWN ITSELF. THIS HAS BEEN A BURDEN ON THE TOWN ITSELF. UM, AND, UH, UM, THE INCREASE FOR EMPLOYEES, I THINK IT WAS LIKE A 50 CENTS OR A DOLLAR YEAH. A DOLLAR PER PAY PERIOD OR, OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO, ALL RIGHT. SO I'M THINKING WE COULD LOOK AT THE $80,000. WE STILL HAVE HERE ON THIS FRONT PAGE AND THEN COME UP WITH THE 20 SOMETHING THOUSAND FROM, AND CERTAINLY CAN, AND THAT'S THE ONE I WOULD LIKE TO GO THE, UM, IS THAT IT'S NOT, UH, UH, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL WITH THE VACANT POSITIONS, BUT IF THAT'S THE OPTION WE WANT TO GO WITH, WE CERTAINLY CAN. YES. UM, I'M CONCERNED THAT WE HAVE ONE 70 VACANT POSITIONS AND THEN HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, ARE WE EVER GOING TO FILL THESE POSITIONS? HOW MANY HAVE BEEN STANDING OPEN FOR YEARS WHEN I FIRST CALL THEM MORE, WE HAD ABOUT 30, 32 VACANT POSITIONS. AND THEN, UM, OVER TIME IT WENT DOWN TO WHAT WE WERE 1918 AND WENT DOWN ON BOARD. SOME, SOME DECIDED THIS [00:25:01] WASN'T FOR THE PENDANTS IN THE FRONTLINE POSITION, MAINLY IN THE TRADE AREA WHERE IT'S HARD TO GET FOLKS WITH THE PAY THAT WE'RE STARTING OFF. BUT, WELL, I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN IS FOR US TO SAY, OH, WE'RE GOING TO USE THESE VACANT POSITIONS. AND THEN WE GET REALLY BUSY AND WE NEED PEOPLE IN THERE. WE'RE LIKE, OH, WE CAN'T HIRE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE'RE COVERING OUR INSURANCE. BUT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE HOLDING YOUR INSURANCE BY HAVING OPEN POSITIONS, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO STILL BE PURSUING THOSE PEOPLE AS ACTIVELY. RIGHT. LIKE I BELIEVE ME, I WON'T, I WILL NOT POSITIONS I PURSUING UM, POTENTIALLY. AND I MEAN, REALLY, IF YOU HAVE 20 POSITIONS IN A MONTH, YOU CAN'T MAKE AN OAK GROUND IN A FASTER RATE. SO, UM, I MEAN, I'D LOVE TO SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET ALL THESE FIELDS BY JULY 1ST, BUT YEAH. THE ONLY CONCERN IS THAT THEY'RE CALLED AN UNCERTAIN ON POSITION CONTROL SHEET. AND THOSE DOLLARS ARE TYPICALLY KIND OF USED TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR TO SOMETIMES OFFSET SOME OF THE EXPENDITURES THAT WE DIDN'T PROJECT. SO, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY THE ROUTE WE'LL BE GOING, IT WILL BE KNOWING WE'RE ALREADY RELYING ON THE SPONSOR, BUT NOT AS FIRM AS WE HAVE NOW. SO TO REQUIRE A TIGHT BUDGET AND MONITORING OUR BUDGETS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. BUT I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN LATASHA WAS ASKING THAT THAT WAS MY THOUGHT TOO, IS, IS THAT, ARE WE, ARE WE PUTTING MORE ON THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE HERE BECAUSE THERE'S 22, I'M JUST SAYING YOU GOT FIVE PEOPLE IN YOUR DEPARTMENT AND YOU'RE DOWN BEFORE AND THOSE FOUR ARE WORKING A WHOLE LOT HARDER. UM, SO, SO THE I'M LIKE YOU, LIKE IN MY HEAD, I'M THINKING, SO IF WE AUTOMATICALLY SAY WE'RE GOING TO USE THOSE POSITIONS AND DOES THAT, DOES THAT PIGEONHOLE US INTO THEM? WE'RE NOT GOING TO HIRE FOR THOSE. OKAY. IT WAS JUST TO HAVE A, UM, AN OPTION TO, TO TAKE THESE FUNDS AND, AND FILL IT IN. I CAN CERTAINLY PROPOSE THAT, OKAY, THAT'S MY PREFERENCE. AND THEN THE 20,000 CAN COME FROM THE VACANT POSITIONS IF NECESSARY. BUT THEN IF SOMETHING COMES ALONG DURING THAT BUDGET YEAR, WE WE'VE GOT SOMETHING THERE. IF WE STILL HAVE THOSE VACANT POSITIONS, VERSUS IF WE'RE SAYING WE'RE USING ALL OF THAT RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW. BUT I LIKE IT. IF THESE THINGS AREN'T AT A HUNDRED PERCENT NECESSITY AND WE CAN FUNCTION WITHOUT THESE EXPENSES, I'D RATHER DO IT THIS WAY. 'CAUSE I DEFINITELY THINK HE'D BEEN INSURANCE. I MEAN, IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT OR OUR FAULT. HE THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE ALL, THEY WERE GOING TO GET BETTER RATES AND, AND THEY'RE NOT. BUT THE THING IS ALL ABOUT NOT TAKING THAT RISK. I'M JUST SAYING THEIR INSURANCE PREMIUMS ARE ALREADY PRETTY LONG FOR SOME OF THE PA, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS HERE, SOME OF THE FAMILY, LIKE, SO A LOT OF PEOPLE UP INTO OUR HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN, MONEY IT INTO THE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE. THEY HAVE A LOT OF THEM JUST LIKE THE COPAY SYSTEM OF 20 OR $40 WHEN YOU GO VERSUS, AND I'M ASKING WHAT YOU GOT TO GET YOUR HEALTH AND YOUR FAMILY TO LIKE, IF YOU HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN, YOU'RE RUNNING A RISK. SO, BUT I IT'S A FAMILY, LIKE IN LIKE HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH, BASICALLY CLOSE TO THAT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO, FOR US TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO NOT MAKE THEIR INSURANCE GO UP, WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF HER $1,400 PREMIUM. WE, WE PAID THIS EMPLOYEE PAYS ABOVE $300 A PAY PERIOD IF THEY'RE ON THE FAMILY FAMILY. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST SAYING. I'M JUST, THAT'S A LOT. I, AND IF YOU'RE MAKING 17, 18 BUCKS AN HOUR, THAT 700, THEY CAN GO VERY FAR. SO ANYWAY, WE DO JUST QUICK BACKGROUND ON THIS BED. THEY, THE INSURANCE PROVIDER THAT THEY CAME TO US AND SAID THAT THEY HAD THIS TOOL, CORRECT. WHAT HAPPENED? YES, YOU ARE INDEED CORRECT. THE M AND THINGS HERE TO ME, THIS HAPPENED IN THE CITY OF WINCHESTER TOO. UM, AND, UH, I ACTUALLY, UM, I SPOKE WITH, UH, FIVE DIFFERENT LOCALITIES AND, UH, WE WERE TOLD THAT, UM, UH, IT'S STILL UNDER REVIEW, UH, BY THOSE LOCALITIES. SO, UH, GALLAGHER OR THE VIRGINIA HEALTH INSURANCE POOLS SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T MEET THE DEADLINES IN ORDER TO GET INTO THE POOL THIS TIME AROUND, BUT THEY WERE STILL REVIEWING, IT ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH A FIVE LOCALITIES INDIVIDUALLY, MYSELF. AND THEY SAID THAT THEY ARE INDEED REVIEWING IT, BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS GOING TO BE NEXT YEAR OR WHEN IT MAY BE THAT THERE WAS NO COMMITMENT OR ANYTHING. UM, SO IN THEIR DEFENSE, THE LITTLE ACADEMIES WERE LOOKING [00:30:01] INTO IT AND MAY STILL BE LOOKING INTO, BUT THERE'S NO COMMITMENT THERE. AND WELL, IF THERE'S NO COMMITMENT, I'M NOT, YOU HAVE TO RELY ON THEM DOING IT. SO IT COULD BE THAT BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT YEAR, MAYBE THEY MIGHT JUMP ON. THERE ARE, THERE IS A CHANCE. OBVIOUSLY I WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMMITMENT BEFORE I DIVE INTO IT NEXT TIME, BECAUSE ALL INSURANCE PLANS ARE GOING UP AND WE KNEW THAT THEY WERE GOING TO GO UP BASED ON COVID NUMBERS, PEOPLE THAT WERE HOSPITALIZED, PEOPLE THAT ARE BACK NATIVE VERSUS NOT VACCINATED AFFECTS THE RATES TOO. SO WE KNEW THAT IT WAS GOING TO GO UP PRETTY DRAMATICALLY, KIND OF DOWN PAYMENT. WE PAY FOR THIS, OR, UM, SO WE HAVE THEM AS AN INSURANCE CONSULTANT. WE'VE USED THEM AS AN INSURANCE CONSULTANT FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS NOW, RIGHT. TWO OR THREE, TWO OR THREE YEARS. UM, AND WE PAY THEM ABOUT $40,000 A YEAR. UM, AND, UH, WHEN, WHEN VALLEY HEALTH WAS GOING TO BE, UH, UH, OUT OF ANTHEM THERE, I HAVE TO SAY, GALLAGHER, THEY'D COME TO OUR AID AND THEY COME, THEY CAME TO US WITH OPTIONS IMMEDIATELY. SO I'LL GET, AND THEIR DEFENSE THAT WILL GIVE THEM THAT THIS ONE, I DO FEEL HE'S DONE A LITTLE BETTER. CERTAINLY ONE MORE. SORRY. THE, UM, UH, NEXT THING I HAVE ON THE BUDGET IS, UH, UH, THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX. UM, SO WE APPROVED THE FIRST OF THREE WEEKS AGO. UM, I DID GET THE ASSESSMENTS AND EDIT ON THE ASSESSMENTS FROM THE CRYSTAL REVENUE'S OFFICE ON FRIDAY. UH, THE ASSESSMENTS ARE UP ABOUT 28, 20 9%, UH, IN TOTAL VALUE. UM, SO, UH, THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL, UM, REVENUES COMING IN, UH, WARREN COUNTY IS GOING, I CAN'T SAY THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE TO DISCUSSING POSSIBLY, UM, DELAYING THE, UM, SETTING OF THEIR TAX RATES FOR THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF THE VERY FREE TAX EXEMPTION THAT MAY BE GOING THROUGH THE STATE. UM, SO THEY'RE KIND OF, THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE THE, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO BE HEADING WITH THAT? I BELIEVE THERE THERE'S A SET FOR APRIL 19TH CORRECTLY, SO THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE SETTING THAT. BUT WHAT I WANTED TO, UH, JUST ADVISE COUNSEL IS THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE AN INCREASE IN THE ASSESSMENT TAX BILLS OUT THERE, ASSESSMENT. UM, LET ME SAY ROUGHLY 28, 20 9% IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING OVERALL. UM, AS FAR AS REVENUE NUMBERS GO FOR US ON THAT, IT WOULD BE ABOUT $200,000 ADDITIONAL REVENUE, UH, TO REALIZE, UM, BUT I'M JUST THROWING THE OPTION OUT THERE, YOU KNOW? UM, NOW CAN I JUST ASK, WHEN WILL, WHEN WILL THERE BE AN ASSESSMENT AGAIN, BECAUSE DOES THIS MEAN, DOES THAT LOCK WITH ONCE IT'S THAT ABOUT? CAUSE THIS WAS PERSONAL PROPERTY CARS, VEHICLE ASSESSMENTS ARE ACTUALLY DONE. I HAVEN'T DONE YEARLY. AND BECAUSE OF THE MANUFACTURERS NOT BEING ABLE TO GET THE PARTS TO MAKE NEW VEHICLES, THE PRICE OF YOUR HOME VALUES OF USED VEHICLES HAS GONE UP AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING ACROSS THE BOARD. UM, AND, UM, BUT, BUT THAT'S NOT JUST, WELL, THAT MAY NOT BE SUSTAINABLE. IT COULD BE THERE FOR NOW, PARTS ARE COMING BACK AND IT WOULD GO DOWN. YEAH. SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, I'VE NEVER SEEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS BEFORE. I MEAN, INSTANCES THAT HAVE HAPPENED, BUT NOTHING TO THIS DEGREE. SO THIS IS KIND OF ON OUR WATERS FROM THE ACCIDENT, RIGHT. TO ADMIT. BUT, UM, BUT WITH THAT IS, UM, SO IF WARREN COUNTY, UH, DOES NOT SET THEIR TAX RATE FOR 19, SO WE CAN COME BACK TO COUNCIL REQUEST ANY RESOLUTION TO THEM, DO THEY, THAT THE PENALTY AND INTEREST ON TAX AS WE'VE DONE FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, JUST WANTED TO GIVE A HEADS UP ON THAT A LITTLE BIT AS WELL, WHICH REALLY IS CONFUSING FOR PEOPLE. I JUST WANT TO SAY, IF WE DECIDE TO DO IT, WE REALLY NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF LETTING PEOPLE KNOW, BECAUSE LAST YEAR PEOPLE WERE ALL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA SAYING I HAVEN'T GOTTEN MY TAX BILL AND I, AND I STARTED SAYING, WELL, ACTUALLY, CAUSE IT W YOU'VE GOT TIME. YOU'VE GOT TIME WHEN PEOPLE START TO PANIC THINKING THEY'RE GOING TO BE LATE. I MEAN, LORI PEOPLE I'VE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT PEOPLE STILL PAY ATTENTION. LIKE, BECAUSE LIKE PEOPLE SAYING THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE WERE DOING THAT EARTH DAY THING. WHEN IT'S BEEN ON OUR FACEBOOK, IT'S BEEN IN THE PAPER IT'S BEEN EVERYWHERE AND PEOPLE ARE STILL LIKE, I HAD NO CLUE THAT WAS HAPPENING. LIKE IT'S BEEN MENTIONED IN OUR MEETINGS. LIKE AT SOME POINT YOU GOT TO TAKE RESPONSE. THEY GOT, AFTER ON WHAT I WOULD DO IS I COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND MAY OR JUNE, WE WOULD DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT, UM, TO REALIZE THE ADDITIONAL CYCLE, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, GET IT OVER INTO OUR PAVING PROGRAM. THAT'S THE WORD. AND THEN IT'S NOT SOMETHING. AND THEN IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE COUNTING ON FROM YEAR TO YEAR BECAUSE WE PUT IT IN THERE. UM, AND THE ASSESSMENTS COULD CHANGE AGAIN NEXT YEAR. [00:35:01] I MEAN, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHERE WE'RE HEADED, BUT, AND IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN WITH THE GROCERY TAX, UM, I SHOULD KNOW BY THEN AS WELL. SO IF WE HAD TO, THAT IS INDEED A BIG ONE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE SALES TAX. UM, AND IF THE GROCERIES ARE EXEMPT FROM SALES TAX, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S DIFFERENT. UM, UH, BUT IT WOULD BE LESS REVENUE COMING IN FOR US. WE'D HAVE TO MAKE UP A DELTA AND THIS COULD BE PART OF THAT DELTA, IF WE SENT YOU, BUT AS THINGS ARE GOING WELL MONITOR, BUT RIGHT NOW I'D SAY STAY ON COURSE, AND THEN WE'LL ADJUST AS NECESSARY COVERS. SO WE GET 1%, IS THAT RIGHT? THESE RECORD SERVICES, WHICH IS LAW ENFORCEMENT, HUMAN SERVICES, PARKER, SALES TAX. UM, SO THE SALES TAX, THE SALES TAXES IS A BIT CONFUSING TO FIGURE OUT. IT TAKES ME A MINUTE TO, TO NAVIGATE THOSE WATERS BECAUSE IT ALL GOES INTO WARREN COUNTY. AND THEN IT'S BASED UPON THE STUDENT, UM, ENROLLMENT, UM, IS HOW IT'S, UM, AND THEN HOW IT'S BROKEN UP BETWEEN TOWN AND COUNTY, BUT YOU'RE CORRECT. WE, WE, THE TOWN AND COUNTY GET 1%, BUT THEN THAT 1% IS BROKEN UP BETWEEN 1.5% OF WHICH 1% IS FOR K THROUGH 12 EDUCATION AND 0.5%, MAYBE ONE AND A HALF. AND THEN AT OUR SALES TACTIC, WE CAN'T GO TO THE MLS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER AS FAR AS BUDGET GOES AND MORE ABOUT? YEAH, I'M GOOD. SO ALL THE QUESTIONS YOU ANSWERED FOR WAS VERY HELPFUL. UM, WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT Y'ALL READ THE ANSWERS THAT JUMPED OUT AT YOU THOUGH? I DID READ THEM THOUGH. I DID READ THEM AND I PRINTED THEM OUT AND GET ANSWERS. SO I WILL WRITE UP SOMETHING FOR, UH, UH, FOR ALL THE OPTIONS AND ALSO THE INSURANCE. AND WE'LL INCLUDE IT WITH THE APPROPRIATIONS. UH, THE COUNCIL APPROVED BJ. IT'S THE DAY FOR YOU TO GO HOME. NOW, THE STREET NAME? CHANGE ED MONTH EDGEMONT AVENUE AND SCRANTON AVENUE, BANK BOULEVARD. UM, I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO REPORT. THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING IN TWO WEEKS. AND THAT'S WHAT I GOT FOR YOU. I MEAN, ARE WE, I KNOW WE TRIED TO CONTACT THESE OTHER HOMEOWNERS AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THEM. LET ME GIVE YOU A BRIEF, YES, PLEASE BE, UM, INFORMATIONAL MARCH 14TH. I GOT TO BY MYSELF TO JUST DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH DEATHS THAT YOU ALL WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION ON 25TH. UM, WHAT YOU HAVE IS GOING TO BE 18 PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT AGAIN AT 13TH STREET ON THAT PORTION OF EDGEMONT AND GO ALL THE WAY INTO THIS GRANT, WHICH I THINK IS AROUND 19TH STREET. UM, I'VE STARTED, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR SUMMARY, I'VE STARTED THIS, I'VE STARTED THE ONE THAT SIGNED THE PETITION AND THERE'S THREE ON THERE THAT ARE OUT OF TOWN. SO I WILL BE CONTACTING ALL 18 THROUGH LETTER TO LET THEM KNOW THAT RENT, CARING SO THAT THEY CAN COME AND GET THEIR PUBLIC INPUT. UM, AS WELL AS YOU ALL WILL BE APPROVING AN ORDINANCE THAT NIGHT OR NOT, THERE'S GOING TO BE YOUR DESIRE TO DO THAT. UM, BUT IT'S READY TO GO. AND I THINK THAT'S ABOUT ALL THE UPDATES WE NEEDED TO GIVE THEM WHAT'S THE NAME. WELL, YEAH, AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT WITH THAT. THEY ARE GETTING ALERTED BY A LETTER SO THAT THEY CAN COME IN. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME IN, THEY CAN COME IN. UM, JUST WANT TO REITERATE ONCE AGAIN, THE, UH, THE ADDITION WITH MORE OF A COURTESY THING, CAUSE IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. UM, SO, SO ONE THING I WAS GOING TO SAY WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT OR NOT JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE IS THERE, WHEN I LOOK AT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF IT, FIVE OUT OF SEVEN HOMEOWNERS ON SCRANTON AVENUE ARE ALREADY ON BOARD WITH IT VERSUS THERE'S ONLY FOUR OUT OF 1101 EDGEMONT. I JUST WAS, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE THAT THEY WOULD SHOW, WHERE DID [00:40:01] MR. BANKS LIVE ON EDGE OR SCRANTON? DO YOU KNOW? NO, HE'S ON A NUMBERED STREET THAT WE WOULDN'T CHANGE. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE NUMBER 16TH STREET. I JUST, WOULD IT BE CONFUSING WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, WOULD IT BE CONFUSING TO LIKE, NOT CHANGE EDGEMONT, BUT CHANGE GRANT? AND THEN ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE THOSE CITIZENS MORE THAN HALF ARE ALREADY LIKE, YEP, WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THAT THEY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THESE PROPERTY OWNERS AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO BE WILLING, WHATEVER WOULD THEY HAVE TO BE WILLING TO DO, LIKE THEY'VE GOT TO CHANGE THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE, EVERYTHING, BANK INFORMATION OR WHATEVER. LIKE, I, I, YOU KNOW, I, I, THERE'S TWO BRANCHES OF EDGEMONT AND THEY'RE, SO THAT EDGE THAT RUNS INTO THIS CRANE AND RUNS RIGHT INTO THIS GRANT. LIKE YOU LITERALLY CROSS OVER A STREET IN YOUR MIND, YOU'RE ON SCREEN. SO IT SHOULD ALL BE, IT SHOULD HAVE ALL, ALWAYS BEEN ONE NAME. AND THEN YOU HAVE AS MINE OVER HERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYBODY DOESN'T GET CONFUSED, TO BE HONEST, THERE'S LIKE A V-SHAPE THING THAT GOES ON THERE. SO THAT WAS TRYING TO CLEAR THAT PART UP RIGHT THERE WITH, TO MAKE IT STRAIGHT. AND SOME OF THOSE HOMEOWNERS, WHEN THEY WERE GOING AROUND COLLECTING SIGNATURES WEREN'T HOME. SO KNOW AFTERNOON, I JUST WAS SAYING THAT IT I'M JUST SAYING THAT, THAT PEOPLE, IT, IT COULD CREATE A HARDSHIP FOR SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T, THAT ARE MAYBE NOT ON BOARD, BUT I GUESS WE'LL SEE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING THEY'RE GOING TO, AND THEN YOU HAVE HOMEOWNERS THAT AREN'T HERE IN TOWN, RIGHT? SO THE PERSON THAT WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THEIR ADDRESS AS A RENTER. EXACTLY. THAT IS TRUE. SO IT IS TRUE. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. UM, I, I THINK WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING THEY'LL COME OUT OR THEY SHOULD, IF THEY'RE GETTING A LETTER IN THE MAIL, THERE'S PATIENT SAY THAT IT'S APPROVED, YOU'LL HAVE TO CHANGE THIS, THIS, THIS, YOU KNOW, I WAS PLAYING, I'M PUTTING THAT CAUSE THERE'S A MEMO IN YOUR PACKET, BUT FOR SOME REASON I CAN'T FIND NOW, BUT YEAH, LIKE YOU WOULD NEED TO DO, I THINK IT'S THE VERY LAST PAGE OF RESPONSIBILITIES DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR VEHICLE THROUGH YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE ACCOUNT ADDRESS INFORMATION ON PERSONAL CHECKS AND ANY ADDRESS RELATED PERSONAL RECORD IS DOWN HERE. SO IT'S THREE BULLETS ON THIS MEMBER. AND I JUST SAY THAT COULD BE SOMEBODY THAT HAD LIVED THERE 30 OR 40 YEARS. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST THINKING OF, THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST SAYING ABOUT SCRANTON. I FEEL LIKE I'M LOOKING AT THAT GOING ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE LIKE, YEAH, WE'RE NOT ALL, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THEM, AND ONE OF THEM WAS AN OUT OF TOWN MAILING ADDRESS, WHICH MAKES ME THINK THAT THEY WILL BRING IT UP OR NO, NO, NO. I'M SAYING ON THIS SCRANTON'S, THERE'S SEVEN OR SEVEN HOMES THAT DIDN'T EFFECT, RIGHT. FIVE OUT OF SEVEN ARE ON BOARD. ONE'S OUT OF TOWN, WHICH PROBABLY MEANS IT'S A LANDLORD. SO LIKE LATASHA SAID, THAT'S A RENTAL. AND SO YOU'D ONLY, ONLY ONE PERSON THAT, AND THERE'S ONE RIGHT ALONG THERE THAT WE DIDN'T GET, BUT DODIE OWNS IT. ADAM'S, YOU KNOW, DUTY IS SHE SHE'S ON BOARD WITH IT. SO SHE'S FINE. I SAID, I I'LL, I'LL BE FOR THIS, BUT I STILL SAY IT WILL BE A WHOLE LOT LESS HEADACHE FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON THOSE STREETS. IF WE'VE JUST NAMED ABOUT THE GEORGE SPACE, MEMORIAL BYPASS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, BUT I MEAN, A MORIAL DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY DMV AND YOU KNOW, AND I SEE THE VALUE OF THAT TOO. I MEAN, I DEFINITELY THINK I WANT TO DO SOMETHING TO HONOR HIM, BUT WHICH I KNOW YOU DO, BUT, BUT I WAS JUST SAYING, AND I GUESS WE'LL JUST HAVE TO THINK YOU COMES OUT WITH THE PELICAN HEARING. IF WE GET SOME, IF WE GET SOME OPPOSITION, THEN THAT COULD ALWAYS BE AN OPTION. UM, SO I HAVE A QUESTION OF BUDGET AND FUNDING. THERE'S REALLY ABSOLUTELY NO COST ASSOCIATED WITH ANY OF THIS, BUT BECAUSE WE MAKE OUR, THE STREET SIGNS AND WE MAKE OUR OWN STREETS ON. SO I THINK AROUND THREE TIMES, BUT THERE'S COST ASSOCIATED WITH MAKING SIGNS. ISN'T THERE PROBABLY $75. I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO SAY NONE. AND THEN SOMEBODY COME OUT AND SAY, THERE IS A COST ASSOCIATED WITH I AIN'T GOING IN PUTTING IT UP. YEAH, THAT'S TRUE. YEAH. THE HOMEOWNERS I'LL HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR NEW IDS, BUT I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE ABOUT THIS SO THAT WE'RE NOT CAUGHT. UM, WELL TALK TO ME, I COMPLAIN ABOUT THE WAY THAT EDGEMONT AND SCRANTON ARE LAID DOWN. I GREW UP ON BELMONT, MY UNCLE LIFTS. YEAH. AND IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE ANY SENSE, BUT YEAH. I MEAN, EACH HOMEOWNER'S GOING TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT IS IT ALMOST 50 BUCKS FOR A NEW DRIVER'S LIFE? IS IT AT LEAST TOUCHED YOU ON? DID YOU GET AN APPOINTMENT? AND THEN YOU NOT REALLY [00:45:01] LIMITED, TOLD US NOT TO GET A DRIVERS. YOU DON'T NEED THEM. HOW ABOUT SAY THEY'RE LIKE BANKING, BANKING STUFF. LET'S BE HONEST. I MEAN, HOW MANY PEOPLE REALLY KEEP CHECKS ANYMORE? SO IT'S NOT LIKE IF YOU GET PUMPED YOUR CREDIT CARD. OH YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. YOU GOT UPDATED ALL YOUR CREDIT CARDS. WHAT'S THE WORST IS I HATE WHEN I HAVE TO CHANGE MY CREDIT CARD ON THIS STUFF, BECAUSE I CAN, I CAN PULL IT OUT WHEN IT EXPIRES. AND THEN IT WAS MY OPINION. UH, I WOULD JUST FEEL LIKE BETTER, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE SEEN OUT ON THE BYPASS AND LATASHA THAT PEOPLE HAVE ABOUT THE PETITION WOULD BE AT FIRST TO MEMORIAL. I'M GOING TO, I MEAN, I STILL WOULD WANT TO DO THE PUBLIC HEARING OF COURSE, BUT I DIDN'T, THEY WERE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO, SO THEN WE CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENS AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND WE JUST PROBABLY GO FROM THERE FROM THAT. OKAY. I HAVE A GROUP CHAT. JUST LET ME KNOW. NOT WITH THE PEOPLE AT . IT WAS NOT ME. THAT'S ON YOU. UH, ALL RIGHT. ARE WE GOOD ON THAT? NEXT ITEM IS SLATED FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. I DON'T KNOW. WE REALLY NEED TO DISCUSS SOME OF THESE, UH, PRESSURE REDUCING VALVE. YOU MAY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BJ WANNA, IS IT BJ OR BEACH? IT'S GOING TO REDUCE COST. THEY'RE REALLY EASY. AND IT'S ALWAYS WITH THE THINGS THAT DIDN'T GO UP, ALL THE EMPLOYEES. I DON'T WANT THEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THEM A LITTLE MORE. AND THEY'RE NOT THERE. LIKE WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE WITH LIKE THE OTHER SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL FOR WHEN THEY GOT THE CALL-INS REMEMBER, LIKE JUST TO PULL THOSE OFF OR TALKING ABOUT THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE AND THE EMPLOYEES SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING. IT'S NOT JUST UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA. THAT'S MY ONLY INPUT ON THOSE SECTIONS DIFFERENTIAL IN THE PROCLAMATION FOR NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKS WEEK, BECAUSE I WANT TO SAY, I SAW OUR GARBAGE PEOPLE OUT AND THEY WERE IN THE POURING RAIN THE OTHER DAY, GETTING ALL THAT STUFF. I MEAN, THEY WERE PUSHING IT. LIKE THEY WERE RUNNING DOWN THE STREET TO GET STUFF IN. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO, UM, I'VE BEEN EXTREMELY IMPRESSED. YOU KNOW, I'VE RECENTLY MOVED AS WELL. AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR TRASH CANS OUT IN THE MORNING AND YOU PROCRASTINATE, THEY COME BACK THROUGH. YEAH. SO EVERYBODY ON MY STREETS, TRASH WAS TAKEN AND THEN LIKE ANOTHER AREA, MAYBE THEY'RE NOT COMING BACK BY TO CHECK YOUR TRASH. YEAH. I CAN PUT IT OUT AT LUNCHTIME AND IT'S NEVER LEFT SITTING THERE. SO THEY LEAVE AT NIGHT BECAUSE THEY COULD TECHNICALLY DRIVE PAST IT. RIGHT. AND SHE WASN'T THERE. THAT'S NOT MY FAULT. NO, THOSE GUYS THEY DO WELL. WE HAVE AN OPEN REBOUND ME. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, WE'RE ALMOST THERE. AND DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH ANY OF THESE ITEMS? UM, THE DRY BARREL FIRE HYDRANTS, THE HYDRANTS WERE JUST ALL, UM, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WASHED RIGHT. IS THIS TO REPLACE, UH, SOME OF THE OLDER ONES. SO IS THIS LIKE, WASN'T THERE DRY AREAS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT GARY FOR THAT FIRE DOWN THERE? UM, ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY THEY SAID NO, NO, BUT A LOT OF TIMES IT'S JUST CHEAPER THAN I CAN ADD IS IT'S JUST CHEAPER TO GET A NEW HYDRANT AND REBUILD THEM. YES. THE OTHER ITEMS, ANYBODY, I STILL WANT ONE FOR THE DOG OUT THERE FOR THE POLICE? NO. OH, WHEN YOU HAVE SOME TO THE, UH, TO THE OTHER CHAIN THAT PARK WHAT DO YOU WANT TO FORCE MY DOGS, MAN? IS THIS AN OPEN, THE OPEN PART? WELL, I KNOW CHRIS TALKS ABOUT BIG THINGS FOR HIS BUILDING PERMIT. I KNOW, BUT AREN'T YOU LEADING THESE FIRST TWO THINGS. OKAY. UM, SO UP NEXT, THE BUILDING PERMITS, SO I THOUGHT LAUREN [00:50:01] WAS WANTING TO STAY HERE. SO STEVEN, HOW MANY, HOW MANY PERMITS WERE ISSUED OR HOW MANY HAVE GONE THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS OF IT BEING, UH, UH, REVIEWED AND, YOU KNOW, HANDED OUT? YEP. LET ME GIVE YOU SOME 40. THAT'S ALL WE PROCESSED. THE TOTAL COST OF THE PERMIT APPLICATION IS 7,720 ECS, TOTAL INVOICES. ALL OF THEM ARE $5,600. UH, WE PAID ECS 1300, UH, WE'D COLLECTED, UH, 1800 ROUGHLY FROM THE APPLICANTS AND WE'RE REVIEWING, UH, BUT STILL SOME BUBBLE THAT 3,700. SO THE TOTAL INVOICE HAS 5,600. THE TOTAL COST OF PERMIT APPLICATIONS, UH, IS 7,700 AND WE'VE DONE 40. SO, UM, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ON REFUND? I'LL, I'LL, I'LL NEED TO DEFER THAT TO COUNCIL, UM, THE PERMIT APPLICATIONS AS I SHARE, UH, THOSE ARE REVENUES TO PAY FOR THE PERMIT TECHNICIAN. UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FACT THAT WE DID GIVE BACK, TRANSFER IT BACK TO THE COUNTY, UM, FOR SOME REASON WE DIDN'T, UH, CLARIFY, UH, FOLKS WOULD STILL HONOR THOSE PERMITS. I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, IT WOULD PROBABLY, WE NEEDED EITHER PROBABLY SHARE IN THE CALLS, SOME EXTENT OR COUNCIL NEEDS TO CONSIDER, UH, UH, LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN MAKE SOME OF THEM CALL. I MEAN, THE TOTAL COST IS, UH, $5,600. DOESN'T NOW WE'RE NOT PERFORMING THE INSPECTION AND THE MONEY SHOULD BE DONE. WELL, WE WEREN'T DOING ANY INSPECTIONS. ANYWAY, WAS THIRD PARTY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. IF THEY'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS TO WHERE THEY'VE BEEN ISSUED PERMITS, AND THEN WE HAD A THIRD PARTY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE THIRD PARTY INSPECTION STILL, AM I RIGHT? BUT SHOULD DO SO TO ME, IF THEY'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS IT'S BEEN REVIEWED, PERMITS, BEEN HANDED OUT. THE ONLY CHALLENGE IS THERE'S BEEN SOME THAT PAY THE PERMIT APPLICATION FEE, BUT THEN THEY ALSO HAD TO PAY THE THIRD PARTY PLAN REVIEW THAT GOT THE PLANS REVIEWED OR APPROVED, BUT THEY'RE NOT BEING HONORED AT WARREN COUNTY. AND THEY GOT TO START ALL OVER HERE. IF IT WAS ALREADY REVIEWED AND THE PERMITS WERE HANDED OUT, THEY JUST WENT THROUGH THE THIRD PARTY INSPECTIONS. WELL, YEAH, THE PERMIT APPLICATION YOU APPLY FOR THE PERMIT IS A PROCESS. THAT'S THE PERMIT. THOSE WERE THE SET FEES THAT WE TOOK FROM WARREN COUNTY. THE THIRD PARTY IS THE ONES WHO ACTUALLY REVIEW THE PLANS, RIGHT INSPECTION. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT, THOSE INVOICES OR THOSE WHO REVIEWS MY UNDERSTANDING, THE COUNTY'S NOT WILLING TO ACCEPT ECS PLAN, REVIEW, OR APPROVAL FOR THOSE PLANS. THEY WANT TO REVIEW THEM THEMSELVES. AND FOLKS HAVE PAID FOR THAT, RIGHT. AS WELL AS THE BUILDING. AND YOU'VE GOT A THIRD-PARTY ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS I'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE THIRD PARTY REVIEW PLAYING REVIEW. ALL RIGHT. WHEN WE ISSUED THE PERMIT, IT WOULDN'T THEY GO AHEAD AND DO THE THIRD-PARTY INSPECTIONS. WHY WOULD THE PROCESS, I MEAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND IF SOMEBODY JUST TURNED AN APPLICATION IN FOR UP, SUBMIT IT BEFORE IT'S REVIEWED THROUGH OUR THIRD PARTY, WE CAN REFUND THEIR APPLICATION FEE OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T HAS BEEN THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS. YOU DON'T GET A PERMIT UNTIL IT'S BEEN REVIEWED. CORRECT. SO EIGHT FOR THE PERMIT APPLICATION FEE PAID FOR THE, THE PATIENT ARE NOT HONORING THIS AFFECTION BECAUSE, UH, THE BUILDING CODE OFFICIAL WANTS TO BE THE ONE THAT VERIFIES THAT THEIR OFFICE PROCESS, THE PERMIT APPLICATION, AND THEY APPROVE THE PLANS TO ISSUE THE BUILDING PERMIT. RIGHT. SO YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT ANYBODY THAT'S ALREADY HAD THEIR PLANS REVIEWED AND PAID FOR THAT, THEY CAN'T GET THE THIRD PARTY INSPECTOR TO DO THE INSPECTION. THEY CAN DO IT, BUT THEY CAN'T GET THE BUILDING. THEY WON'T HONOR THE BUILDING PERMIT BECAUSE THE COUNTY NEEDS TO REVIEW THE BUILDING PLANS THEMSELVES. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THIRD ONE, UM, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THIRD PARTY. IT WON'T WORK. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THEY WON'T HONOR. AND IT WON'T WORK. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HONOR IT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THE INSPECTION THEMSELVES FROM THE COUNTY. RIGHT? CORRECT. IT'S BUILDING PERMIT WAS ISSUED BY THE TOWN BUILDING. RIGHT. SO FOR THEM TO ISSUE IT, THEY HAVE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN TO REVIEW IT, TO PERMIT AND DO THE REVIEW, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY HAVE BEEN GROUND ZERO. [00:55:01] RIGHT. SO WHAT I WAS ASKING YOU OUT, IF THEY WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE THIRD PARTY PLAN REVIEW, AND WE ISSUED THEM THE PERMIT, WHY COULDN'T THEY STILL GO AHEAD AND GET THE THIRD PARTY INSPECTION? WHY WOULD THEY HAVE TO START ALL OVER THE COUNTY? THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND. YES. I'VE REACHED OUT TO MEET WITH ED TO DISCUSS THIS MORE. AND I HAVEN'T BEEN SUCCESSFUL GETTING A RESPONSE BACK THAT HE'S WILLING TO MEET WITH. WELL, THEN WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD FINISH. I MEAN, IF, IF WE GOT PERMITS THAT ARE STILL OUTSTANDING, WE SHOULD HAVE FINISHED THEM OFF. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO DO. IF THE PERMIT HOLDER WANTS US TO, UM, IF NOT, THEN WE SHOULD REFUND THEIR MONEY. AND THAT'S MY TAKEAWAY. I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND ARE THE BUILDING OFFICIALS STANDS ON THEIR BRANCH, SO HE WOULDN'T BE HELD LIABLE. IT WOULD BE RIGHT. IT'S THE THIRD POINT. NO, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH, IS IF IT WENT BACK, IF IT'S GOING TO GO BACK TO MR. OFFICE, THEN YES. IF I'M MR. BEAN, I'M GOING TO WANT TO DO PLAN REVIEW TO GET ON IT AGAIN, JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LIABILITY THING THEN FOR THEM. AND THAT'S WHY I SAID, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING, IF THEY DON'T DO THE REVIEW, THEN THERE NEEDS TO BE THIRD-PARTY INSPECTIONS, FINISH THEM OFF, FINISH THEM OFF. I MEAN, IF YOU GET THE PLAN, SO YOU, THE MOU, I DON'T THINK WE'RE ALLOWED TO RELINQUISH THAT. EMMA, YOU SAID ON THIS DATE, WE STOPPED. SO I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY B AND OUR OPEN DISCUSSION SAYS ITEMS FOR THE LIAISON COMMITTEE MEETING ON APRIL 21ST. I, I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GOOD CONVERSATION FOR US TO HAVE, BECAUSE I I'VE SAID FROM THE MINUTE THIS ALL CAME BACK AT US, I SAID, I JUST DON'T. I THOUGHT THAT WHEN WE AGREED TO SEND IT BACK TO THE COUNTY, THAT IT WOULD BE WHATEVER PROCESS THEY WERE IN, THAT IT WAS JUST GOING TO GO TO THAT. I DID NOT THINK THAT ANY CITIZEN WAS GOING, THAT IT WAS GOING TO MAKE THE PROCESS HARDER FOR THEM OR COST THEM MORE. I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT WHAT, YOU KNOW, DON'T ASSUME I WOULD HAVE ASSUMED THAT, THAT IT WOULD JUST BE, YOU KNOW, TICKING OVER INTO THEM AND WHEREVER THEY WERE KEPT GOING. AND I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO INSPECT IT, MAKE THEM HOPE. YEAH. BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE BECAUSE SEE, THEY USE A THIRD PARTY ELECTRICAL INSPECTOR. SO IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE WHY THEY WOULD WANT TO DO IT THAT WAY. SO I JUST, AND THEN 40 PERMITS OR APPLICATIONS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT LIKE REFUNDING THE ONES THAT ARE IN PROCESS OR ALL OF THEM, THE THIRD PARTY, COMMERCIAL PLUMBING INSPECTOR FOR MY PERMITS AT MY GYM. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOU, CAN'T JUST CALL YOURSELF A PLUMBING INSPECTOR. LIKE THEY HAVE TO BE LEGITIMATE. KIND OF UNDERSTAND IF YOU, IF YOU GO TO THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW AND YOU START THIS PROCESS, HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE OUTSOURCED TO THIRD PARTY VENDORS? PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE SAME THIRD PARTY VENDORS THAT WE USE FOR OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT. SORRY, THE ELECTRICAL JUST ELECTRICAL. I MEAN, IT COULD BE, AS I SAID, LIKE THEY CALLED A THIRD-PARTY VENDOR THAT CAME OUT AND INSPECTED MY PLUMBING, YOUR ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING. OKAY. SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THESE THIRD-PARTY VENDORS THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY ALLOWED TO DO THIS INSPECTION PROCESS RIGHT NOW. THE LIST THAT DAVID BEAN HAS, HAS APPROVED AND VERIFIED AS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL. HE, HE, HE HAS TO BE THE ONE TO, OKAY, ANY THIRD PARTY, WE USE THE SAME LIST OR A DIFFERENT LIST. WE, WE USE A DIFFERENT LIST, CERTAIN PCS THEY DO ON CERTAIN FOUNDATION, BUT THE ACTUAL PERMIT APPLICATION AND THE PER-MEMBER VIEW, I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT. AND THEN YOU CAN USE A THIRD PARTY. YOU CAN USE A THIRD PARTY, UH, VISUAL FOR YOUR FOUNDATION, AND THEN YOU TAKE IT TO THE COUNTY AND THEY GO, HOW MANY ARE COMPLETED OUT OF THESE FOUR OR WHATEVER DOLLARS IT IS. IT GOES IS LESS COMFORTABLE. SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD HER. SO MY THOUGHTS, I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING WE WERE TRYING, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WE WERE TRYING TO PLAY NICE AND I W I JUST DON'T, UNLESS IT'S COSTING THEM MONEY, LIKE I GET THAT. IF IT'S COST THEM, I THINK I'M KIND OF A LITTLE SURPRISED IF IT GOES BACKWARDS AND GO OVER 40 SOMETHING THINGS OR WENT THROUGH SOME OF THESE WERE SMALL ITEMS AND THEY'RE DEFINITELY, YEAH. SO OUT OF THIS 40, IF ONLY FIVE OF THEM NEED TO BE [01:00:01] REVIEWED, RIGHT. IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S ADDING A HUGE BURDEN OF WORKLOAD FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. I WAS A HANDFUL. SO HAVING A LOT OF I THINK IT WAS MAYBE EIGHT. I'M JUST KINDA SURPRISED THE SURPRISES, THE BUILDERS, ISTATION DIDN'T, HASN'T COME TO ONE OF THEIR MEETINGS UPSET ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I'M IN A VERY VOCAL WITH US. SO I'M SURPRISED THEY AREN'T BEING, I MEAN, THEY, I KNOW, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH, IS LIKE, I WOULD, IF I WERE THEM, I'D BE LIKE, WHY CAN'T WE JUST, I JUST DON'T THINK HE WANTS TO REDO THIS WHOLE ABOUT A LIABILITY, BUT HE CAN BET THIS COMPANY REALLY QUICKLY. I'M SURE. LIKE THEY'RE LEGIT. THEY HAVE THEIR LICENSES AND PLACES, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. EXACTLY. IF YOU, IF YOU'RE CODING GET CERTIFIED. YEAH. YOU GOTTA BE LICENSED AND EVERYTHING ANYWAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. SO WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT IT WITH . I'VE BEEN STANDING ON THE 21ST, UH, AND THEN, UH, GOT UP WITH ME AND THEN THAT'S THE PUBLIC SAFETY AWARD ON THE 21ST ON THE EMAIL OR THE 20TH AT 6:00 PM. AND THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT BECAUSE SOME OF THE MEMBERS, SO WE HAD TO PICK A DIFFERENT NIGHT FOR THE LIAISON. YEAH. HE'S GOING TO COORDINATE THAT. OKAY. BECAUSE I DO FEEL LIKE PEOPLE ARE IN LIMBO AND THEY WANT TO KNOW, SO I TOTALLY RESPECT THAT, BUT I JUST FEEL BAD. CAUSE I FEEL LIKE THESE PEOPLE GOT CAUGHT UP IN A, AND I'M JUST WONDERING HOW I WANT YOU TO THE ONES THAT WE'VE ALREADY ISSUED, THAT WE'VE ALREADY REVIEWED THEIR PLAN. THEY'VE ALREADY WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THE COUNTY SO THEY CAN GET GOING. SO THERE WOULDN'T REALLY BE ANY REVIEWS FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY ALREADY ASKED WITHIN THE FIRST WEEK WHEN WE MADE THAT TRANSITION, BUT WE WENT AHEAD AND THE COUNTY TOOK OVER IT. SO DISAPPOINTED. IT IS NOT SO MUCH, THEY NEED A PERMIT. THE POINT OF IT IS, IS THE TOWN WILL ONLY TOBACCO AND PAY WHOLE BECAUSE NOW THEY'RE PAYING DOUBLE. WELL, I MEAN, I CAN SEE THAT I'D BE DUMB. I WOULD BE WANTING, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD BE QUESTIONING WHY COULDN'T WE JUST WORK TOGETHER ON THIS? WHEN WE TRIED TO WORK TOGETHER ON IT? I DON'T KNOW. WELL, AND MY OTHER, ALL MY QUESTIONS SLASH CONCERN WOULD BE, I'M ASSUMING FROM ALL THESE NUMBERS I WROTE DOWN, WE'VE ALREADY PAID ECS FOR SERVICES RENDERED. SO THE WORK WAS DONE, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT I ASKED ALL THAT I WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN PAID AND WHY CAN'T THEY JUST CONTINUE ON WITH THIRD PARTY PROCESS? LIKE I COULD SEE IF WE HAD THE MONEY IN OUR COFFERS AND WE WERE JUST LIKE, OH, WE'RE HOLDING ON TO IT. BUT IT'S LIKE, WE STILL HAVE ALREADY PAID THEM. SO IF THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET OUR MONEY BACK AND SAY, OH, SORRY, THAT Y'ALL CHANGED THINGS. WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY MONEY BACK FROM THEM. AND WE EAT TO THE TUNE OF 25,000 FOR THE SOFTWARE. WE'RE GOING TO SHARE THAT WITH THE, ARE WE SHARING THAT WITH THE COUNTY OR SOMETHING? THAT'S OUR EXTRA PURCHASE OURSELVES. WHAT'S THAT THE SOFTWARE EDITOR, GOV INTERCOM, THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT. WILL WE'VE EVER RECEIVED A BILL FOR IT BECAUSE IT WASN'T FULLY OPERATIONAL TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IT'S STILL NOT I WORK. THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR FOUR YEARS. YEAH. SO WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY, WE, WELL, WE PAID MY BACKUP HERE IN 2014. WE DID PAY SOME MONEY. I BELIEVE IT WAS 2014 OR 15. WE PAID SOME MONEY, UH, TO, TO OBTAIN THE SOFTWARE, BUT THEN THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE, UM, WE HAVEN'T BEEN BILLED FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN FULLY UP AND RUNNING AGAIN, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE BUILT IN ARREARS. NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. OKAY. SO YOU'RE GOING TO LET US KNOW ABOUT THAT AND YOU HAVE TO KNOW FOR A, HOW MANY OF THEM AREN'T COMPLETED BECAUSE THERE'S 40. OKAY. COMPLETED. SO HERE WAS MY OPEN AND I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'LL WORK OR NOT, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING, THERE WAS A TIME WHERE THE RECYCLING TRUCK CAME BY THE SCHOOLS. OKAY. AND YEARS AGO, WHEN MY SCHOOL FIRST STARTED IT, WE HAD TO FUNDRAISE TO PAY FOR THAT SERVICE TO HAVE THE RECYCLING TRUCKS COME BY OUR SCHOOL BECAUSE MY SCHOOL IS ACTUALLY ON COUNTY PROPERTY, NOT ON TOWN PROPERTY, THE TOWN, THE TOWN ENDS RIGHT THERE. RIGHT. ALL SCHOOLS, COUNTY LAKE COUNTY TAKES. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS LIMIT TO GET THE YEAH. AND TELL HIM TO GET, TO GET THE RECYCLING TRUCKS, TO COME DOWN ALL THE WAY PAST OUR ROAD AND UP BY OUR SCHOOL TO COLLECT IT, THAT RECYCLING WE HAD TO, WE HAD TO PAY FOR IT. WHEN WE COLLECT, WE WOULD FUNDRAISE EACH YEAR TO TRY TO GET THE MONEY, TO PAY FOR IT. THEN THE MONEY RAN [01:05:01] OUT. NOBODY ASKED US FOR IT. I'M JUST SAYING, CAUSE THE IN CHARGE OF IT. , THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT. I MEANT WE WERE DOING IT AS PART OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF AN SOL TO TEACH KIDS THE ENVIRONMENT AND STUFF. SO WE DIDN'T DO IT ALL OF LAST YEAR BECAUSE WE JUST DIDN'T WITH EVERYTHING ELSE WITH COVID AND NOBODY SEEMS TO WANT TO JUMP ON IT AGAIN THIS YEAR, BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S LIKE, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. I'M JUST CURIOUS. DO ANY SCHOOLS DO ANY OF THE RECYCLING TRUCKS? I KNOW THAT THIS MIGHT BE ADDING AN EXTRA STOP AND THERE MIGHT BE FIVE OUT OF SEVEN SCHOOLS THAT SAY WE'RE NOT INTERESTED, BUT I FEEL LIKE WITH THE SAC COMMITTEE AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO INVOLVE A PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, A, UM, A SENIOR INVOLVED IN THE COMMITTEE, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT THAT? OR? I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE I'M A BIG RECYCLER, SO I DON'T AND MAYBE OTHER PEOPLE, NO, WE AREN'T GONNA WANT TO SHARE MY HEAD AND THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE, BUT I'M SURE THEY HAVE A PRIVATE COMPANY THAT DOES THAT FOR THEM. YEAH, NO WE WOULD. YEAH, WE DON'T. WE DON'T EVERYTHING. ALL THE TRASH GOES IN THE DUMPSTER, BUT WHAT WE USED TO DO IS ON FRIDAY MORNING, WE WOULD HAVE TO ROLL EVERYTHING OUT TO THE CURB. ANY PAPER WE HAD, THESE BIG, LARGE TRASH CANS, SOME HAD PLASTIC WATER BOTTLES, SOME HAD PAPER. IT WAS JUST, THAT'S ALL WE DID HAVE PAPER. CAUSE THERE WASN'T ANY 10 CANS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE TO SEPARATE IT, THIS WOULD BE JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT THAT. I JUST, I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY. BUT IF IT, BUT IF IT COSTS MONEY, MAYBE FIFTH GRADERS, WELL THEY, THEY, YOU PUT THE TRASH CANS TO THE CORNER WE DON'T GET. SO THEY DID, THEY DID. I MEAN, NO KIDDING. IT WAS A SCHOOL PROJECT. LIKE THEY ALL MET ON FRIDAY MORNINGS AND EVERY, EVERY KID, EVERY CLASSROOM I HAD TO BRING DUMPS IT WAS A CHORE. IT WAS T LIKE THERE WAS A RECYCLING BOX TODAY. I WILL TELL YOU I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT TOWN PICK UP GARBAGE AND STUFF AT THE SCHOOL. LIKE I DON'T, SHE JUST WENT THROUGH SAYING THE TRASH COMPANY FOR THE SCHOOL SHOULD BE DOING WELL. THEY'RE GETTING MONEY ON IT. THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANY MONEY ON IT. DON'T ASK ME BUT IT'S ALL RIGHT. IF Y'ALL DON'T WANT TO DO IT, I JUST WAS, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. I KNOW. I KNOW. WHAT IS THE COST FOR THAT? LIKE, I MEAN, I GUESS WE'D HAVE TO ASK BE DAY LATER, YOUR HEAD MAYBE LIKE FIVE OR $6 A WEEK IS WHAT I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING 10 OR LIKE , UM, LIAISON ITEMS. ANY, ANYTHING I BET YOU THAT YOU THINK SAYS BUILDING INSPECTIONS? OH, I CAN, BUT LET ME, CAN I FIND IT FIRST? MR. MAYOR, I MET WITH THE COUNCIL CONVENIENT AND GO INTO CLOSED MEETING FOR THE FOLLOWING. NUMBER ONE, DISCUSSION CONSIDERATION, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARY, DISCIPLINING, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICER'S APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODIES SPECIFIC TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY POSITION PERSUADE SEC TO VIRGINIA CODE 2.2 DASH 37 TO 11.8 0.1 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA. I CAN'T REMEMBER TOO. SORRY. PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY OR THE EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY WHERE NO PREVIOUS ANNOUNCEMENT HAS [01:10:01] BEEN MADE OF THE BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY INTEREST IN LOCATING OR EXPANDING ITS FACILITIES IN THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. YOUR TURN NOW WITH THAT. YES, YES, YES, YES. I'M ASSUMING I MADE IT. THE COUNCIL CERTIFIED IT TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE AS RECOGNIZED BY EACH COUNCIL MEMBERS AFFIRMATIVE THOUGH THAT ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS LAWFULLY EXEMPT IT FROM AN OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN A MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED ARE CONSIDERING THE CLOSED MEETING, MY COUNCIL AND THAT THE VOTE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF COUNCIL BE TAKEN BY ROLL CALL AND REPORTED WHO DIDN'T THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF TOWN COUNCIL. YES. COUNCILLOR MORRIS. YES. THAT'S WOMAN'S HOUSE. YEAH. OKAY. ROLL CALL PLEASE. GLASBY THAT'S ONE OF THE MORRIS HERE. YES. OKAY. SO CANCELS, JUST SET A DATE, NO SPECIAL ELECTION TO FILL THE SEAT VACATED BY FORMER COUNCILMAN SCOTT LLOYD ABOUT HIS RACE AND NATION ON MARCH 28. SO, OH YEAH. THEY DON'T WANT TO TALK, I GUESS WE WON'T HAVE TO APPOINT SOMEBODY. RIGHT. SO I'LL RUN THROUGH IT. OKAY. MR. MAYOR, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS PRETTY WELL. UH, SO IT'S, YOU REALLY HAVE THESE TWO PARALLEL TRACKS GOING WHEN YOU NEED TO FILL A VACANCY, UH, AS FAR AS COUNCIL APPOINTING SOMEBODY THAT'S, UM, UM, IT'S OPTIONAL IN THE, IN THE LAW, UH, THE COUNCIL DOES NOT HAVE TO APPOINT SOMEONE, UH, TO TEMPORARILY FILL THE SEATS. AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS OTHER TRACK THAT SAYS, THAT REQUIRES COUNCIL TO FILE A PETITION, TO ASK FOR A SPECIAL ELECTION. SO, UH, THE SEAT ULTIMATELY GETS FILLED BY THE VOTERS THAT WAY. AND TH AND THEN YOU HAVE, AGAIN, BACK TO THE FIRST TRACK THAT'S TO FILL IT TEMPORARILY, TO GET YOU TO THAT NEXT ELECTION, WHICH IS KNOWN AS A SPECIAL ELECTION AND THE PERSON WHO'S SUCCESSFUL AT THAT, UH, FILLS OUT THAT TERM. SO THEY WOULD FILL OUT, UH, UM, THE TERM OF FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER LLOYD. SO, UH, SO AS FAR AS THE PETITION, UH, YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS AS TO WHEN TO SET THAT DATE OF THAT SPECIAL ELECTION, EITHER THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION. AND THIS IS A GENERAL ELECTION YEAR, UH, IS NOVEMBER 8TH. UH, OR YOU CAN PICK A DIFFERENT DATE AS LONG AS THAT DATES, NOT CLOSER TO THE GENERAL ELECTION THAN 55 DAYS. SO THAT WE'LL CALL IT SO NO LATER THAN 55 DAYS BEFORE THE DATE OF THE GENERAL ELECTION, BUT THEN THAT WILL COST, I THINK, BECAUSE OF WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE. YEAH. I WOULD SAY NOVEMBER 8TH. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S THE REASON THAT I NEED THIS IS BECAUSE THERE'S A VERY SMALL WINDOW FOR FILING THE PETITION. INTERESTINGLY, IT'S 15 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THE VACANCY, WHICH RUNS TOMORROW. SO I NEED THIS DECISION TO PUT IN THE PETITION TO FILE IT TOMORROW. YEAH. THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THOUGH, IF WE THAT'S, THAT'S JUST FOR THE ELECTIONS, BUT WE STILL POINT SOMEBODY IN BETWEEN NOW AND THAT'S RIGHT. AND WE JUST HAVE TO, IF WE DON'T NECESSARILY A COORDINATED WILL, BUT IT COULD, CAN DO IT. YEAH. CAN WE REQUEST THAT THEY NOT, CAN WE JUST LEAVE IT VACANT UNTIL THEY'RE VACANT? AND THEN WHETHER THE COURT TAKES ACTION, THAT'S UP TO THE COURT. THEY HAVE 45 DAYS FROM, THEY HAVE 45 DAYS, HE 45 DAYS FROM THE DAY OF THE VACANCY TO MAKE THAT APPOINTMENT IT'S AND THEN IF WE DON'T THEN THE CIRCUIT COURT, WELL, WE WERE, WE TAKING APPLICATIONS OF COURSE, THE 21ST. SO IT WAS THERE ALREADY IN THE WORKS. IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN FIND OUT IF, IF WE DON'T TAKE ACTION WITH THE COURT, FILL IT. I MEAN, PRIOR TO US, I MEAN, I WAS, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE AND HAVE US NOT FILL IT AND THEN HAVE THE COURT SELECT SOMEBODY AND JUST THROW THEM, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? UM, YEAH, I DO, BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW I'D GO ABOUT THAT. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN THERE'S A VACANCY THIS EARLY IN THE YEAR, THERE'S TYPICALLY AN [01:15:01] APPOINTMENT UNTIL THE SPECIAL ELECTION IN NOVEMBER. I KNOW WHEN COUNCILMAN MEZ I'VE RESIGNED, IT WAS ALREADY AUGUST. THAT'S WHY THERE WAS NO APPOINTMENT THERE. IT WAS CLOSE. IT WAS AFTER BUDGET SEASON AND IT WAS CLOSED GENERAL ELECTION. I THINK THAT'S CORRECT. AS FAR AS MY, AS FAR AS MY, THE SIX MONTHS, I MEAN, IT, THE, LIKE IF THE APPLICATIONS ARE DUE BY APRIL 21ST, EVEN IF WE HELD, YOU KNOW, INTERVIEWS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. EVEN IF THEY DID GET APPOINTED BY MAY, RIGHT. I'M JUST THROWING OUT THERE. SEE ME. SO YOU GOT MAY JUNE, JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER SIX MONTHS HAS ALL BEEN SERVED. I JUST WONDER IF A JUDGE WOULD APPOINT SOMEBODY IN THAT TIME. I'M NOT SURE. I KNOW WE'RE ALL SPECULATING. SO, SO GEORGE, WHAT DID HE THINK THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE? I KNOW THERE'S THREE PRECINCTS THAT THAT'LL BE, UH, IS, IS THE FOURTH PLACE FINISHER. WILL HE GET THE SPECIAL ELECTION OR, OR, YOU KNOW, , YOU KNOW, CAUSE I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THAT. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? I TOO COULD BE TWO YEARS. BOY, I THINK THEY WOULD TAKE OFF THE, I THINK THE SPECIAL ELECTION IS FOR THAT SEAT. THE SPECIAL, THE MONDAY FOLLOWING THE SPECIAL ELECTION IS OFF. BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A SEPARATE BALLOT FOR THAT SPECIAL. I KNOW, BUT I'VE ACTUALLY WONDERED TOO. IT'S LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, THE TOP PEOPLE IS THAT THE TOP FOUR PEOPLE AND THE TOP THREE GET THE FOUR YEAR TERM AND THE FOURTH PERSON GETS THE TWO YEARS. IT MIGHT HAVE, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT. IT'LL SAY THAT. I'M SURE IT WILL. THAT'S WHAT I THINK. I'M SURE WE ALL GOING TO BE SEGREGATED. I'M SURE IT WILL. GENERAL ELECTION VERSUS SPECIAL. I'M SORRY. I'M GUESSING. REALLY? BUT YEAH, THE PERSON TO CALL WOULD BE MS. TOBIN, THE LADY THAT, OKAY. SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS I, I NEED A DATE SO I CAN PUT IT IN THE PETITION. YEAH, NEVER RAY. WE'RE JUST GOING TO LET IT RIDE. AND THEN, UM, SO WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT FILLING THE SEAT? JUST LET IT RIDE OR EMOTION FIRST ON THE SPECIALS WE HAVE ALTERNATIVE MOTIONS GRAFTED. CAN I PICK IT UP? BUT LAST TIME I DID. I GOT TO READ IT THE WAY YOU WANT TO READ IT. THERE'S TWO MOTIONS IN YOUR OPTIONS OR TWO OPTIONS. I EVEN COUNCIL DIRECT THE INTERIM TOWN ATTORNEY TO PETITION THE WARREN COUNTY CIRCUIT COURT TO ISSUE A WRIT OF ELECTION FOR A SPECIAL ELECTION TO BE HELD ON NOVEMBER 8TH TO FILL THE CURRENT VACANCY ON COUNCIL SECOND. WELL, WE BOTH DID IT. SORRY. I WANTED TO GET THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT WHY THE VACANCY OCCURRED. WELL, I MEAN, I CAN READ, I CAN MAKE UP SOMETHING. SO HERE WE GO. I ONLY HAVE MORE FORWARD. SO DO WE HAVE TO AMEND IT THEN? OKAY. JUST MAKE AN AMENDMENT. ALL RIGHT. LIKE TO AMEND THE PREVIOUS MOTION TO INCLUDE THE REASON WHY WE ARE SEEKING A SPECIAL ELECTION IS TO FOLLOW THE COUNCIL SEAT VACATED BY FORMER COUNCILMAN SCOTT LLOYD BY HIS RESIGNATION. THAT WAS EFFECTIVE. MARCH 28TH, 2022, JOE SECOND AMENDMENT. WHICH ONE? THE ONE SHE ADMITTED. OKAY. YEAH. YES. ARE YOU GOING TO CALL US YES. COUNCILMAN BEN. YES. COUNCILMAN MORRIS. YES. YES. AND NOW I NEED A MOTION OR A VOTE ON THE AMENDED ORIGINAL ASSUMPTION, WHICH ORIGINAL? STILL ON THE FLOOR. SO ALL SHE DID WAS MAKE AN AMENDMENT. SO YES, I WANTED TO BE OKAY. YES. I SEE HER COCKEREL, YOUR ORIGINAL MOTION WITH THE AMENDMENT SHE JUST READ, RIGHT? YEAH. SO IT'S JUST BASICALLY INCORPORATED BOTH. THEY ACT THAT'S WHEN WE GO LAST WEEK POSITION EVER. SO ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. YEAH. I NEED FOR YOU TO SIGN THIS PERSON CAN GET IT. WOW. OKAY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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