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[Town Council Work Session on March 14, 2022.]
RECORDING.I CAN'T, I CAN'T HEAR YOU AT ALL OR JUST TRYING TO, UM, I CAN HEAR EVERYBODY FINE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING TO DO WITH, UM, MIRROR ALL THE WAY.
MAYBE THE VOLUME IS NOT ADJUSTED RATES.
UH, FIRST, UH, POSE RIVER EDGE LLC, SPECIAL USE PERMIT CAMPGROUND FACILITY, LOREN, UM, USE PERMIT APPLICATION PERMIT A 200 SPOT CAMPGROUND FACILITY OVER OFF OF KENDRICK LANE.
UM, THEY ARE ASKING FOR, UM, WHICH ARE THEY'RE AGREEING TO ADHERE TO THE TOWN COUNCILS, THE WATER.
IT SAYS THE AGREEMENT, UM, THE LAST WORK SESSION THEY'RE WILLING TO PROVIDE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT APPROVAL LETTER, HOURS OF OPERATION AND, UM, FIRE MARSHALL AT REQUEST YOU'RE WILLING TO ADHERE TO THEM.
SO BASED ON THAT PLANNING CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED, UM, APPROVAL.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ACTUAL APPLICATION? UH, DO YOU HAVE ANYONE COME OUT TO THE, UH, PLENTY OF CONVICTIONS WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT IT AND THEY WOULD TALK AND COME TO THE MEETING? UM, ANYONE ELSE WOULD SEE, I RECEIVED EMAILS FROM CONSTITUENTS CONCERNED ABOUT THIS PROJECT, AND I'M JUST, I WANT TO KNOW SOME MORE ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF, UH, THIS IS IRAE JUST GIVE ME JUST FOR EVERYBODY.
SO WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND ON THIS PROJECT.
SOMEONE REALLY TALKED ABOUT IT HERE ON COUNCIL, PUBLIC, THE DEPARTMENT OF RECREATION, AND THAT'S WHAT CLASSIFIED ON THERE.
AND THAT IS REQUIRED, ESPECIALLY IN THE ITU DISTRICTS.
THAT'S WHY THIS IS NOT APPLY RIGHT.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, I RECEIVED THE SAME LETTER, UM, THE APPLICANT LIKE THEY CAN ADDRESS IN THE PUBLIC.
SO YOU RECEIVED THE SAME EMAIL THAT WE GOT.
DID YOU HAVE ANY THINGS YOU CAN ADDRESS ON THOSE TOPICS? I THINK THE ONE CONCERN FOR THE LETTER THAT I RECEIVED FROM RNA WHEN I RECEIVED WAS JUST A ABOUT, AND I, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY IF THE PUBLIC DOESN'T COME OUT TO THESE DANGERS TO SPEAK OR AGAINST THEM, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WHERE YOU BROUGHT THE FLOOD ZONE AREA DOWN THERE.
I DON'T PLANNING BEYOND WAS THE FLOOD MONITORING THAT WE HAVE.
UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF OUR FLOOD STATISTICS, IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT SIX HOURS FOR A MAJOR FLOOD EVENT, HIT, YOU KNOW, FLOOD STAGES.
THERE'S SIX HOURS BUILT IN, THERE'S AN EVACUATION PLAN THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED.
UM, THEY'VE AGREED TO WIDEN THE ROAD FROM 12 FEET WITH THE INITIALS DIVISION TWO 18 FOR THE FIRE, MORE HELP THE FIRETRUCKS GET DOWN THERE.
AND THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE ACCESS ROADS AND THE DRY HYDRANTS THAT ARE BEING SOLVED.
UM, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU SAID PLANNING, COMMISSION VOTED UNANIMOUSLY.
THEY'RE DOING W UH, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE MET WITH THE APPLICANT AND I HAVEN'T MET AS A SEPARATE ISSUE, BUT IN THIS, ON THE PLAN, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A CONDITION ON THE PLAN THAT WE CAN DO THAT ALL OF THOSE CONDITIONS FROM ANOTHER AGREEMENT WOULD BE HERE.
AND SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE WORKING ON GETTING US THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND WORKING ON GETTING A LETTER FROM HER
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COMIC SANS AGENDA, OR WHEN WOULD HE BE HAVING ANY AS PART OF THE REGULAR BUSINESS, THE SUP PUBLIC CHARACTER.I MEAN, ONE ISSUE THAT CAME UP, I MEAN, THERE'S NO REAL ANSWER TO IT HERE, AND IT'S JUST REALLY FOR CONSIDERATION, JUST THAT THE EXTENT TO WHICH, UM, I THINK A CAMPSITE AND REALLY THE ONLY THOUGHT I HAD IN MY MIND ABOUT THE CAMPSITE, BUT HE DID MENTION THE PROSPECT THAT THESE CAMPGROUNDS ARE BEING USED REALLY AS PERMANENT HOUSING SOLUTION OR A NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THAT'S, AND, AND WHEN SOMEBODY RAISED IT AT ME, I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, YEAH, I GUESS I COULD SEE HOW THAT'S BEEN.
UM, THAT'S BEEN TRUE IN MANY PLACES AND JUST, UM, I DON'T REALLY KNOW IF IT BELONGS AS PART OF THIS DISCUSSION, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT HOW THE EXTENT TO WHICH THIS, THIS WILL BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WILL BE STAYING TO LIVE AS OPPOSED TO CAMP IT.
DOESN'T THE VIRGINIA CODE FOR BENSON STAYING.
I DON'T FOR MORE THAN 14 DAYS, I DIDN'T LIKE NORTH CORK AND PLACES LIKE THAT.
YOU HAVE TO MOVE YOUR RV EVERY TWO WEEKS, 180 DAYS BETWEEN LIKE SKYLINE RANCH RESORT OR NORTH FORK RESORT, WHERE FOLKS PRETTY MUCH RESIDE THERE YEAR ROUND.
I HAVE A COACH THAT LIVES UP IN RICHMOND WHO JUST DOESN'T WANT TO OWN A HOUSE, JUST MOVE THE TRAILERS.
AND THEY SAID, I'M FINE WITH IT.
IF I NOW HAVE THREE KIDS, I MIGHT LIVE THERE, PROBABLY COULD USE THAT LAND.
WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME STAY THE NIGHT, SPEND MONEY AND LEAVE.
I CAN'T GROW THE GOOD PLACE FOR THEM TO DO IT.
THEY TOLD YOU THAT HE CAN GET THAT.
WELL, ALL THE CONDITIONAL APPROVAL RECOMMENDATIONS HAPPEN BEFORE WE ACTUALLY VOTE ON IT.
THAT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON THE APPLICANT.
SO THE WAY THIS WILL WORK IS THAT WE WON'T ACTUALLY ISSUE THE APPROVAL LETTER UNTIL THOSE CONDITIONS ARE BAD.
THAT'S HOW WE ENSURE COMPLIANCE.
SO WE COULD BE BODING BEFORE THE REST OF THE STUFF HAPPENED, BUT IT WON'T, BUT THEY WILL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO, TO START UNTIL THE CONDITIONS ARE MET.
UM, AND ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WAS RAISED IN THAT EMAIL, AND I SEE THAT IT WAS FORWARDED BY TINA.
SO EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THAT WAS THAT I REMEMBER THIS NOW IS THAT I GUESS THERE'S TAXES, TRANSIENT TAXES WOULD BE COLLECTED.
IS THAT RIGHT FOR CAMPAIGN? IS THAT ALL THE DOOR TOURISM DISCUSSION? I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT COLLECTING TAXES.
IT WAS A CONCERN THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE PAYING PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES OR TAXES IF THEY WERE LIVING THERE, BUT THEY WILL BE PAYING TRANSIENT TAXES IS A TAX THAT WILL BE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO I'M JUST ADDRESSING THE CONCERNS OF THE CONSTITUENTS.
NOW LOOKING FOR THE EMAIL, SHE SAID, WELL, WHY IN THE WORLD IS FRONT ROW ONE, A BIG CAMPGROUND OF TOWN THIS'LL CREATE TRAFFIC NOISE, UTILITY AND SAFETY ISSUES.
200 CAMPGROUNDS SITES COULD POTENTIALLY MEAN UP TO 1000 TRANSIENT PEOPLE.
MANY OF WHOM WOULD BE STAYING IN THE MAXIMUM OF 180 DAYS.
ALSO HAS ANY FURTHER STUDY BEEN DONE ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE POLITIK GROUNDS IN THAT AREA? EVEN WITH THE EPA ABATEMENT, IT MAKES ME WONDER IF THIS LAND IS SAFE FOR PEOPLE TO BE LIVING THERE.
SHE ASKED US TO DENY THE PERMIT UNTIL AN EXTENSIVE IMPACT STUDY HAS BEEN ANALYZED.
UH, NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF FRONT.
ROYAL HAS HIS CAMPERS WILL NOT BE PAYING TOWN AND COUNTY PROPERTY OR PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES, BUT WE'LL BE ACCESSING TOWN AND COUNTY SERVICES.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD BE FROM RESIDENTS.
SO THEY WOULDN'T BE RASH PICKUP AND HOLISTIC AND WATER SERVICES.
AND THEN WILL CHILDREN BE STAYING THERE UP TO 180 DAYS BE GOING TO AREA SCHOOLS? I DON'T THINK SO.
WELL, THIS WILL BE CLASSIFIED AS A CAMPGROUND IN QUOTES SEEMS LIKE IT WILL BE MORE OF A TRANSIENT HOUSING NIGHTMARE.
WHAT WILL THE COST BE TO RUN TOWN UTILITIES TO THAT AREA? WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED THOSE ISSUES WHO
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WILL PAY THE WATERS THROUGH ELECTRICAL AND TRASH RENTAL FEES.WE ALREADY DID ADDRESS ALL THAT.
WELL, THERE ARE POTENTIALLY BE MORE DRUG ACTIVITY WITH THIS KIND OF LIVING SITUATION REQUIRING MORE POLICE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, WATCHDOG INTERVENTION ACTIVITIES.
I MEAN, THIS IS CAMPGROUNDS, RIGHT? SO, UM, I MEAN THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED MOST OF THOSE ISSUES.
UM, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT'S JUST IN RELATION TO 1 95 TORY DRIVE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THE RECORD.
ALSO BEFORE WE GO THERE, OH, WAIT, JUST FOR THE RECORD THAT, UH, BOTH THE MAYOR HOLLOWAY AND COUNCILMAN COCKEREL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT FEELING WELL.
SORRY ABOUT THAT MIRROR ZOOMING INTO YOUR MS. TEAMING IN HAVING A PSYCHOTIC EPISODE.
NO, I, I, I, I DIDN'T FEEL BAD FOR THREE DAYS AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GETTING WORSE.
SO, UM, NUMBER 2 22, 23, THE FIRST ANNUAL BUDGET.
SO THIS WAS PUT ON THE AGENDA TO SEE IF COUNCIL, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
AND I THINK ADDITIONALLY LOOK INTO REGARDING THE 2223 PROPOSED BUDGET THAT WE PRESENTED THERE A MONTH OR SO AGO.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO BE, UH, THE, WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING COMING UP ON THE TAX RATES HERE TO BE APPROVED HERE IN THE MARCH.
UH, TAX RATES ARE PROPOSED TO REMAIN THE SAME, UH, 13 CENTS PER $100 FOR REAL ESTATE EVER SINCE FOR $100 FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY.
SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANSWERED FOR FIELD WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST FROM COUNCIL THAT A LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET FOR 40,000 FOR THE DRUG COURT AND DRUG COURT DRUG COURT COORDINATOR VALLEY HELPS WARRANTY GALLERY AND FRONT WORLD.
WE'RE KIND OF PUTTING THE THINGS UP.
AND, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IF I CAN GET COUNTS, WHEN YOU SAY MOORE COUNTY ALSO SHERIFFS, JUST FOR, UH, WHAT I CAN DO IS I CAN COME BACK TO COUNCIL, UH, HIT THE NEXT WORK SESSION WITH SOME OPTIONS ON HOW WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE BUDGET FOR ME, I CAN JUST ADD UP, ADD TO THAT.
UH, AND I'VE WORKED AT DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.
ONE OF THE BEFORE COVID, THERE WAS, UM, ONE OF THE FOUR TOP PRIORITIES FOR THE ENTIRE 1.2 MILLION, $1.3 TRILLION OPERATION WAS, UH, OPIATE ADDICTION.
AND THEY WERE POURING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO, UM, OPIOD ADDICTION RESPONSES TO THAT.
AND SO I'M JUST THINKING, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE, UM, ADDITIONAL SETTLEMENT MONIES THAT ARE COMING TO THE STATE, I'M JUST WONDERING THE EXTENT TO WHICH YOU NEEDED TO BE OUTLAYING ANY MONEY AT ALL.
UM, I WOULD THINK THAT IT'S PROBABLY READILY AVAILABLE IF THE FAST PACE THEY HAVE NOT EXACTLY SPELLED OUT WHAT WE CAN USE THE MONEY FOR IT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN OR THEIR ATTORNEY'S NOT HERE.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, I'M SURE IF THAT MONEY WILL BE ALLOWED FOR STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO I'M JUST SAYING WE STILL WILL HAVE TO PUT WHAT'S THE QUESTION.
THE SETTLEMENTS THAT THE STATE HAS BREACHED WITH THE OPIOID, UH, MANUFACTURERS, AS FAR AS THE SETTLEMENT TO EACH STATE.
HAVE YOU HEARD OF ANYTHING ELSE? AS FAR AS THE BREAKDOWN,
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WHAT I HAVE NOT HAD JUST SEEN THE FIGURES, IT'S A LARGE NUMBER, AND I WILL SAY THAT A LOT OF THIS WILL BE THROUGH GRANT WRITING, BUT AFTER WE GET THE COORDINATOR, ONCE WE HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM.AND THEN I HEARD IN OUR COUNTY PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE AT THE MEETING, RIGHT, IT'S PRETTY ROUGH TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO BE WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TRYING TO OUT WITH PEOPLE.
UM, I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO SPEND A MORNING WHERE WE DON'T SPEND IT.
SO THAT, I MEAN, I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE BRINGING ON A GRANT WRITING POSITION.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY WRITING THIS GRANT OR BRINGING SOMEBODY ON TO WRITE THIS GRANT ON TOP OF THE GRANT RATING VISITATION THAT WE'RE ALREADY PLANNING TO BRING ON.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS LIKE, RATHER THAN RUSHING TO SPEND 40 GRAND ON A POSITION WHILE WE FIND OUT WHAT THE SETTLEMENTS ARE CAUSE THERE'S PROBLEM.
BUT I MEAN, AND THEN THERE'S THE OTHER, THE OTHER, UH, CONSIDERATION AS TO WHETHER, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE SEEN, AND EVERYBODY'S SEEING GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS, UH, SET UP TO FIX EVERY PROBLEM THAT WE COME TO.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE MOVING FROM IS A SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COUNTY TAKING CARE OF, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, HOUSING AND PUNISHING CRIME AND SO ON WITH, WITH OUR JAIL SYSTEM AND EVERYTHING, WE'RE MOVING FROM THAT INTO A SOCIAL WELFARE PROGRAM.
AND SO HOW MANY, UH, SOCIAL WELFARE PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN DESIGNED TO FIX EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, FROM OPIOIDS TO, TO POVERTY, TO EVERYTHING ELSE.
I MEAN, IF THEY COULD FIX THEM, UM, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN FIXED.
ALL RIGHT, THIS HAS GOT A VERY GOOD SUCCESS RATE AND HERE'S THE OTHER THING.
SO WITH THAT MONEY THAT WE HAVE ONE THAT HAS A STAGE FOUR FROM THE OPIOID, UH, SETTLEMENT OR WHATEVER.
THERE'S NO TELLING WHEN THAT MONEY IS WHAT TIME THIS IS A POSITION THAT WE NEED IMMEDIATELY, IN WHICH CASE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, ONCE WE DO GET THOSE FINES, REIMBURSE THOSE PEOPLE WHO PUT IN THE $40,000.
UM, BUT THIS WAS AN IMMEDIATE NEED, UM, FOR US TO GET STARTED AND GET GOING ON THIS PROGRAM, WHICH HAS HAD THE FESTIVAL, UM, HAD BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN WINCHESTER AND ON OUR CASES, UM, I DON'T SEE IT AS LIKE A WASTE OF MONEY OR JUST THROWING MONEY.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S $40,000.
WE'RE NOT TALKING LIKE A MILLION DOLLAR FOR IT.
SO I'M THINKING ONCE THAT SETTLEMENT COMES THROUGH, WE COULD REPEAT THOSE FUNDS.
POTENTIALLY I A QUESTION, UH, GARY, YOU SAID $40,000.
YOU WANTED TO ADD A LINE ITEM FOR THE DRUG COURT COORDINATOR SPECIFICALLY.
UM, I WASN'T AT FRIDAY'S MEETING THAT WAS IN CONJUNCTION WITH VALLEY HEALTH.
I HAVE FROM THE NOTES FROM THE MEETING THE NIGHT PRIOR, IT'S A $65,000 ANNUAL SALARY AND BENEFIT.
AND IN THE FIRST YEAR BUDGET ENTIRELY AS $124,600.
SO THE 40,000, YOU WANTED TO GO TOWARDS THE $65,000 POSITION OR TOWARDS THE FIRST YEAR BUDGET OF 124,600.
IT CAN GO TOWARDS THE FIRST YEAR WE GOT MONEY LEFT IS VALLEY HEALTH CONTRIBUTING THEY'RE GOING, OR THE WAY TO STAND.
THEY WERE GOING TO PONY UP THE SAME AMOUNT.
AND WHO ELSE? UM, SALLY HILL, UH, WARREN COUNTY AND CORRECT US PUT DOWN THE FRONT ROYAL.
AND THEN WHEN WE SAID WARREN COUNTY, WE SAID IT WAS COMING FROM THE DEPARTMENT.
EACH ONE'S CONTRIBUTING A THIRD OF THE INITIAL POSITION, PUBLISHED THE ACTUAL POSITIONS, 60,000 WITH BENEFITS 95,000.
SO REALLY ACTUALLY HOPE AND JUST, YEAH, IT WAS CLARIFIED FRIDAY NIGHT.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT BETWEEN 30 AND 40 AND THEN F Y 24 IS WHEN THE ADDITIONAL NEEDS WILL BE.
AND AGAIN, BY THEN, AND I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LOTS OF GRANTS, RIGHT? THE FIRST YEAR BUDGET THOUGH, THE 124,600.
IS THAT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION? THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 90,060 5,000? OR DOES THAT INCREASE? I MEAN, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE SHARING IT'S FOR FYI 23, BUT THE FIRST YEAR BUDGET INCLUDES SIMPLE THINGS, SUCH AS PENS AND PAPER.
YOU NEED THAT TO START WORKING WELL, WE WERE TOLD FRIDAY THE FIRST YEAR BUDGET, TOTAL OR SALARY.
AND THEN WHEN I ASKED THE QUESTION, F Y 24, SHOULD WE NOT GET ANY GRANTS? THEN IT WOULD REALLY BE 154,000 BECAUSE THE $30,000, BUT IT GO UP BECAUSE
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OF THE BENEFITS, WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING, WHAT, WHAT WAS SHARED THURSDAY AS A JOINT MEETING WAS HOW MUCH THEY FEEL LIKE IT WOULD COST.BUT SINCE FRIDAY THERE, THEY'RE SAYING JUST FUNDED POSITION ONLY.
UM, AND THAT POSITION, ACCORDING TO ED IS $90,000 INCLUDES SALARY AND BENEFITS.
AND WE'D SIT THEM WERE TO ONLY COME UP WITH 30,000 FOR THE FIRST FISCAL YEAR.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, IF BY 24, IT WOULD, IT WOULD GO TO 1 54.
IF I COULD CLARIFY PIECE OF THAT, MAYBE THE FIRST YEAR THEY WERE CONSIDERING STRICTLY THE SALARY AND BENEFITS FOR THE COORDINATOR AND THE THOUGHT PROCESS, THE MODEL WE'VE SEEN THROUGHOUT THE STATE, THUS FAR, A LOCALITY, IT BRINGS A COORDINATOR ON COORDINATOR THEN BEGINS THE GRANT WRITING PROCESS AND FIND FUNDING TO, TO, TO SUPPORT THE PROGRAM.
UM, AND I THINK WHERE THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YEAR ONE AND YEAR TWO IS HAVING THE, THE BUILD-OUT FOR AN OFFICE FOR THE SECOND HALF, THE DRUG TESTING, WHICH IS GOING TO BE A MAJOR PART OF THE COST.
UM, AND THAT WON'T BEGIN UNTIL YEAR TWO, BECAUSE THE FIRST YEAR ISN'T IS ESSENTIALLY GOING TO BE THE COORDINATOR ISN'T IMPORTANT.
I JUST, FROM THE, FROM THE LITTLE PRESENTATION THEY GAVE US IN THE NOTES I TOOK, IT WAS, IT WAS CALLED A FIRST YEAR BUDGET ALONG WITH THE DRUG COURT COORDINATOR.
SO I GUESS THE FIRST YEAR OF BUDGET, IT'S TECHNICALLY THE SECOND YEAR, WE'RE AT $30,000, RIGHT ON TOP OF IT.
AND IT BRINGS UP AN ADDITIONAL ISSUE.
WHY THE TOWN RESIDENTS ARE PAYING TWICE WHERE IT, WELL, I WANTED THE COUNTY JUST PAY FOR IT AND WERE REQUIRED.
SO AS COUNTY RESIDENTS, WE'D BE PAYING FOR IT AS COUNTY TAXPAYERS AND TOWN TAXPAYERS.
I'M TYPICALLY OF THAT MINDSET, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IN ALL REGARDS, HOWEVER, FROM WHAT I'M READING AND SEEING THE NOTES THAT I TOOK IN THE PRESENTATION PRESENTED, I THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO HELP THE TOWN'S POLICE DEPARTMENT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.
SO WE MIGHT BE SPENDING LESS MONEY, UM, ON OPIOID RELATED CASES FROM A POLICE DEPARTMENT STANDPOINT.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN CONSIDERING MATCHING WHATEVER THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT'S GOING TO DO ALL THOUGH.
AND AGAIN, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF THE TOWN BEING AS SMALL AS IT IS, SHOULD BE MATCHING THE COUNTY AS LARGE AS IT IS.
CAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THE NARCAN CALLS WERE IN THE COUNTY COMPARED TO THE TOWN ONE DAY.
I THINK THE STATISTICS THAT WE HA WE WERE GIVEN THAT NIGHT, I FEEL LIKE THERE MIGHT'VE BEEN MORE CALLS FOR NARCAN AND OPIOD RELATED, UM, THINGS TO THE COUNTY LIMITS VERSUS THE TOWN.
NO, WELL, NO, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT FAR MORE REPORTED IN TOWN THAN OUTSIDE OF TOWN WITHIN THE COUNTY.
OF COURSE THEY'RE ALL WITHIN THE COUNTY LIMITS, BUT, BUT YES, OUR NUMBERS IN TOWN ARE HIGHER THAN, THAN THOSE OUTSIDE OF TIME LIMITS.
AND THAT'S JUST TYPICALLY WHEN YOU SEE THAT POPULATION CONCENTRATION, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS BIGGER NUMBERS MAKE SENSE FOR A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UM, SO THE FIRST THING I WAS LOOKING TO SAY FROM EVERYTHING I'VE READ ABOUT THE OPIOID SETTLEMENT, I READ ONE ARTICLE AND IT WOULD COME IN AND LEAVE OUT OF RICHMOND.
UM, MAYBE EVEN JUST THE NEW YORK OFFICE, IT WAS QUOTED AND THAT'S, BUT ANYWAY, IT SOUNDS IT'S FROM WHAT I READ EVERY JURISDICTION IN VIRGINIA ACTUALLY SIGNED ON TO THIS, UM, OPIOID SETTLEMENT CASE.
I KNOW THAT WHEN WE WERE ASKED EARLIER, WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE TO FILL OUT THE PAPERWORK, WHEN MR. NAPIER WAS THROWING UP PAPERWORK, THAT HE HAD TOLD US THAT WE HAD TO DO IT BY A CERTAIN DATE, OR YOU COULDN'T JOIN INTO THE CHAIN.
AND APPARENTLY EVERYBODY IN THE STATE DOES TO WAYNE WANTS ON THE CASE.
AND FROM WHAT I REMEMBER READING, THEY SAID, IT COULD BE A WHILE, YOU KNOW, THE MONEY HAS GOT TO SHOW UP TO THIS DATE AND THEN THEY'VE GOT TO DETERMINE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO, UH, HOW IT'S GOING TO BE DISTRIBUTED.
SO ANYWAY, I JUST THOUGHT I'D OFFER THAT.
I DID READ SOME ARTICLES ABOUT THAT THING IN, UM, CA MR. MIGUEL T I'M GLAD YOU SPOKE UP BECAUSE THAT WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS JUST GOING TO HAVE, LIKE, UM, BECAUSE LIKE, YOU KNOW, SO MY LLOYD IN CALIFORNIA MORRIS WAS TALKING ABOUT LIKE COUNTS CITIZEN WHO WERE ALREADY PAYING AS COUNTY.
AND, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW WE CAN, UM,
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JUSTIFY THAT, HOW, HOW THIS IS GOING TO BENEFIT OUR TOWN AND OUR TOWN, STACEY, AND THE DRUG PROBLEM IN TOWN.SO I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA ASK YOU IF YOU WOULD MIND JUST, YOU KNOW, I WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY ASK YOU, YOU KNOW, ONE ON LINE, LIKE WHAT YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THIS.
I KNOW YOU'RE A BIG PROPONENT OF THE DRUG COURT, SO MAYBE YOU COULD JUST TAKE A MINUTE OR TWO TO JUST, YOU KNOW, GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE NAME THAT THERE, THE PUBLIC TO SAY, THIS IS WHY WE SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE BASICALLY PAYING TWICE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE PAYING A TOWN THAT ISN'T DAN PAYNE COUNTY.
WELL, AND AGAIN, MY SUPPORT FOR THE DOPE, SORRY, I GUESS I'M NOT ON THE CAMERA IF I'M STANDING BACK THERE.
SO, UM, I'M, I'M OBVIOUSLY A BIG PROPONENT OF THE, UH, THE DRUG COURT MODEL ONLY BECAUSE OF ITS, I MEAN, BECAUSE OF ITS EFFICACY, I MEAN, WE'RE HELPING PEOPLE ONE, UM, AND UNDERSTAND WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS AS A LOCALITY AND SOME OF THOSE DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT.
SO WE GOTTA THINK ABOUT LIKE WHAT OUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT WOULD BE FOR FUNDING A PROGRAM LIKE THIS.
AND IF WE LOOK TO OUR CLOSEST MODEL, WHICH IS WINCHESTER, UM, I THINK OF OUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT IN TERMS OF RECIDIVISM, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE BEING, YOU KNOW, ENTERED INTO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AND NOT GOING BACK TO IT.
SO 7%, 37% IS WHAT THE, AND WINCHESTER, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND THEY'RE ONE OF THE HIGHEST IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA THEY'RE DOING REALLY WELL.
UM, THE STATE, YEAH, THE STATE AVERAGE, I THINK, UH, ACTUALLY I THINK THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IS ABOUT 20, RIGHT? AND JUST SENDING PEOPLE TO PRISON GOT 12 TO 15%.
SO THAT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE JUST TO CLARIFY.
37% IS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE GRADUATED OUT OF THE FULL PROGRAM THAT ARE NOT GOING, NOT REPEATING, NOT BEING REPEATED.
I MEAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE AND THE STATE AVERAGE ARE BOTH 24, RIGHT.
SO I MEAN, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHO THE DRUG COURT ACTUALLY, UH, IS GOING TO SERVICE FOLKS THAT COME HERE AND COMMIT DRUG CRIMES FROM BALTIMORE COUNTY OR PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY.
THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THIS, THIS PROGRAM.
IT WOULD ONLY BE FRONT ROW AND WARREN COUNTY CITIZENS.
SO IT ACTUALLY IMPACTS OUR CITIZENS WELL AND THE LOCALITIES PAY FOR THE INCARCERATION.
SO WHILE DRUG CHARGES ARE TYPICALLY STATE CHARGES ON THAT HANDOUT, WE GOT LAST WEEK, WE SAW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CIRCUIT COURT OF WARREN COUNTY HEARS THEM.
UM, AND THEN EVEN FOR THE STATE PRISON, THE STATE DOESN'T PAY THE FULL THERE'S A PAY FOR TRANSPORTATION COSTS.
HE PAID FOR AN OFFICER TO STAY WITH WHILE THEY'RE SEEKING OTHER THINGS OF MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES AND OTHER THING.
SO THERE'S A WHOLE, A SERIES OF COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, THAT IF WE COULD GET WHO YOU GET AT 37% OR THERE ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, NON REPEAT, WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOWER SOME OF THOSE COSTS, WHICH IS, WAS, UH, COUNCILMAN MORRIS BROUGHT UP EARLIER ABOUT LOWERING COSTS TO OUR POLICE FORCE HERE, BUT THAT'S NOT LIKE THE ENTIRE GIST OF IT, OF COURSE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT THERE ARE ISSUES WITH, AS COMMUNITY DOES A DRUG PROBLEM, DOESN'T JUST AFFECT THE PERSON WHO'S USING THE DRUGS.
IT ALSO AFFECTS THE ENTIRE FAMILY UNIT.
AND WE TALK ABOUT THAT ALL THE TIME AND TRYING TO KEEP FAMILIES TOGETHER AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND YOU'RE SENDING THEM TO JAIL OR TO PRISON.
YOU'RE NOT HELPING THEM, YOU'RE NOT HELPING THEIR FAMILY.
UM, AND THIS HAS THE POTENTIAL TO HELP THE PERSON THAT'S ADDICTED GETS THE HELP THAT THEY NEED.
SO THEY CAN BE A PRESENT PARENT OR WHATEVER THEY ARE TO SOMEBODY ELSE, DIFFERENT ASPECTS, WHAT HEALTH, SOCIAL SERVICES, NORTHWESTERN, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THESE PEOPLE HAVE SOME MENTAL ISSUES OR DRAMA IN THEIR PAST THAT, YOU KNOW, IS ADDING TO THIS.
AND WE GOT ALL THE PARTNERS INVOLVED.
I WAS JUST LIKE, ACTUALLY, I MEAN, THE LAG MEASURES IT'S REALLY TREATS LAG MEASURES WITH THE POTENTIALITY TO PREVENT FUTURE LEAD MEASURES.
I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT.
I MEAN, UM, AND ACTUALLY WHAT'S NOT, WHAT'S NOT LIKE PART OF THIS, THIS PARTICULAR PRESENTATION IS A LOT OF EXCELLENT STATISTICS THAT WE RECEIVED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT TO LOOK AT IN MUCH MORE DETAIL BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THEM AS WELL AND HOW WE ARRIVED AT EVERYTHING.
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING THEIR HOMEWORK.
AND I THINK EVERYBODY, IF THAT'S A CREDIT TO EVERYBODY, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK I'M TRYING TO DO MY JOB, WHICH IS TO, TO ASK THE HARD QUESTIONS AND DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
AND I'LL SAY THAT I'M OPEN TO THIS IN ANY, IN ANY, UM, QUESTION THAT I HAVE, BUT I WILL SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOCIAL
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SERVICES OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PUT IT, I MEAN, PROGRAMS LIKE THIS, THEY START OUT WITH ALL THE BEST INTENTIONS AND WITH A LOT OF MEETINGS WHERE, UM, THERE, THERE ARE REALLY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, PEOPLE PERFORM A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS AND THEY ENTER INTO A THINKING THAT IS GOING TO PRODUCE DIVIDENDS.AND THEN IT JUST BECOMES AN ENDLESS, UM, MONEY PIT.
AND SO LIKE, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE PREVENT THAT? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE HEADING DOWN A SIMILAR SIMILAR ROAD.
I MEAN, BUT LIKE I SAID, THERE, THERE ARE SOME EXCELLENT, UM, FIXES STATISTICS AND THINGS THAT WE NEED TO, UM, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
BUT ACTUALLY ONE THING THAT'S ONE ADDITIONAL POINT THAT I WANT TO MAKE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, AS SOMEBODY WHO'S, YOU KNOW, KNOWN KNOWING PEOPLE, UM, AND HE'S NEEDED A COURSE CORRECTION IN MY OWN LIFE, THE ONLY WAY I'VE SEEN THAT, THAT OCCURS.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE 12 STEP PROGRAM, UM, IT INVOLVES THE, YOU KNOW, THE FAITH.
I HAVE NOT SEEN THE FAITH COMMUNITY PART OF THIS.
I DON'T KNOW OUR FAULT, OR IF THAT'S THE FAULT OR WHERE IT IS.
UM, I KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO SOME ACTIVE OUTREACH, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, UM, TAKING SOME TIME AND EVERYTHING, BUT, UM, I WANT TO HEAR WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
I WANT TO HEAR WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE, AND ALSO WANT TO HEAR, UM, WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY DOING.
THAT HASN'T BEEN, YOU KNOW, SOLVING THIS PROBLEM, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPROVED BY THE WELL SCOTT, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.
YOU CAN'T SAY THAT IT'S OUR FAULT.
THE FAITH-BASED COMMUNITY IS NOT INVOLVED.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE AND I HAVE THREE KIDS.
AND IF YOU GO TO FANTASYLAND PARK, YOU HAVE TO STEP OVER NEEDLES, USED NEEDLES ANY DAY OF THE WEEK RIGHT NOW.
SO ANYBODY THAT'S PLAYED OR PARTICIPATED IN ANYTHING IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL IS NOT NAIVE TO THIS ISSUE.
SO SHAME ON THOSE WHO HAVEN'T GOTTEN INVOLVED.
UM, BUT THERE ARE 61 CURRENTLY OPERATING IN VIRGINIA AND IT SEEMS ALL OF THEM ARE EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL.
THE FAMILY COURT, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT FUNDING AND THAT ASPECT OF IT, THERE'S ONLY FOUR OF THOSE OPERATING IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
AND I WONDER WHY THAT NUMBER IS SO LOW, BUT I'M WORKING ON MY RESEARCH FOR THAT.
I WILL SAY, REGARDING FUNDING AND IT BECOMING A MONEY PET.
I RAISED SOME QUESTIONS LAST THURSDAY NIGHT AFTER YOU HAD TO LEAVE ABOUT THAT.
AND CHIEF INFORMED ME THAT WERE CONSIDERED A HIGH INTENSITY DRUG TRAFFICKING AREA.
SO WERE, UM, ELIGIBLE FOR EXTRA FUNDING FROM THE DEA FOR NARCAN SPECIFIC.
WE'VE GOT TO HIDE A DESIGNATION, WHICH ISN'T, IT'S KIND OF AN ARM OF THE DEA, AND WE'RE ALREADY REALIZING FINANCIAL BENEFIT TO OUR COMMUNITY FOR, FOR HAVING THAT.
IT'S NOT A GREAT THING TO HAVE, RIGHT.
UM, IT'S FUNDING SOME SUPPORT FOR OUR DRUG TASK FORCE.
UM, AND I'VE, I'VE BEEN ON THE PHONE WITH THEIR, UH, ONE OF THEIR TREATMENT AND PREVENTION SPECIALISTS.
UM, AND SHE'S ACTUALLY KEEPING US ON THE, ON THE HOOK FOR SOME, UH, GRANTS, UH, THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING FORWARD IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, UM, TO SPEAK TO A COUPLE THINGS, ONE, THE DRUG, THE DRUG.
SO THE DRUG, THE DRUG COURT WAS BORN OUT OF IDEAS AND COMMUNICATION.
THAT'S BEEN GOING ON OVER THE PAST.
GOSH, WHAT GARY? 10 MONTHS MAYBE WITH THE, WITH THE DRUG COMMITTEE.
YEAH, THERE'S A DRUG COMMITTEE THAT'S BEEN MEETING AND THE DRUG COURT IDEA AND MOVING FORWARD, OBVIOUSLY MODELED AFTER WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SET UP AND SUCCESSFUL.
WINCHESTER WAS BORN OF THAT, BUT WE'VE ACTUALLY HEARD FROM, AND HAD SOME, SOME FAITH-BASED GROUPS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN WORKING ALONG WITH THE COMMITTEE TO HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THE OPIOID PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE HAVING IN FRONT ROLAND, WARREN COUNTY, THE DRUG COURT ITSELF AS A, AS A, ANOTHER PIECE OF THAT PUZZLE.
UM, I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF GOVERNMENTAL, SO WE HAVE TO BE PRETTY CAREFUL NOT TO BLUR THOSE LINES, BUT THERE, THERE IS, THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF FAITH BASED ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN MOVING FORWARD WITH SOME OTHER ASPECTS OF WHAT THE COMMITTEE IS DOING OVERALL.
UM, AND I, AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE, THE, THE MONEY, THE OPIOID MONEY THAT MAY BE AVAILABLE, UM, WORKING WITH A LOT OF GRANTS AND I'M SURE YOU HAVE AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE MORE THAT WE DO TO ATTRACT THAT GRANT FUNDING OUR WAY, RATHER THAN IT BEING DIRECTED ELSEWHERE, THE MONEY IS GOING TO BE GOING TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT, FOR THE PURPOSE THAT IT'S BEING PROVIDED FOR.
SO I WANT TO, I'D LOVE TO SEE OUR LOCALITY TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THE GRANTS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE AND PUTTING THEM IN EVERY STEP FORWARD TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN IS IT'S KIND OF THE GOAL.
WELL, BUT SEE THAT POINT, THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT A GRANT WRITING POSITION IN THE TOWN, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE KIND OF LIKE WE'RE BRINGING ON A DRUG COORDINATOR TO WRITE THE GRANT GRANTS FOR THIS PROGRAM, BUT WE'RE ALSO BRINGING ON A GRANT WRITER.
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WAS THERE ALSO MANAGING, MANAGING THE PROGRAM TO MANAGE THE DRIVEN, WE ACTUALLY DO THE TESTING, UM, THROUGHOUT.SO THE DRUG COURT COORDINATORS JOB PART OF THE DRUG COURT COORDINATOR'S JOB IS THEY, SO, AND THE PARTICIPANTS HAVE TO PAY ALONG WITH BEING ELIGIBLE TO BE A PART OF THIS.
BUT WHEN THEY GO VISIT HER OFFICE, THEY'LL SOMETIMES HAVE TO TAKE TESTS AT HER OFFICE.
SHE HAS TO DO LIKE FOLLOW UP WORK WITHOUT THEM.
SO SHE'S NOT ONLY JUST A GRANT WRITER FOR THIS, BUT LIKE ANY GRANT THAT'S NOT GUARANTEED.
I SAY THIS ALL THE TIME AND IT'S NOT PROMISED.
SO I WOULD RATHER GET ON BOARD WITH THIS.
AND IF WE GET A GRANT GREAT, IF NOT, NOT BECAUSE WHAT WE SEE IN THESE TRENDS ARE THE OVERDOSE FATALITY RATE AND OVERDOSE AGE IN GENERAL ARE GETTING YOUNGER AND YOUNGER AND YOUNGER.
AND THEN JUST SPEAK TO WHAT YOU SAID, LATASHA.
IT IS PARTIALLY A BUSINESS DECISION BECAUSE WE'RE USING TAX FUNDS TO FUND THIS, BUT IT'S NOT JUST A FAMILY UNIT ISSUE.
SO WHEN WE WALK INTO SEVEN 11 AND GO TO USE THE RESTROOM, AND THERE'S SOMEBODY OVERDOSED AND PASSED OUT ON THE FLOOR, THEY'RE STARTING NEEDLES OF THE PARK.
THE THING IS WHILE A LOT OF THESE DRUGS FROM THIS HIGH INTENSITY DRUG TRAFFICKING AREA, WE ALL KNOW, OR I'VE KNOWN MY WHOLE LIFE I'VE COME FROM BALTIMORE AND PLACES LIKE THAT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HELP THEM OR REHABILITATE THEM.
THEY DON'T WANT THAT, BUT IT'S THE PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE SUFFERING.
AND SO I THINK WITH THE SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO START WITH, I THINK WE'RE ONLY GOING TO HELP 10 PEOPLE THE FIRST YEAR, FIVE TO 10 PEOPLE, AND THEN 10 TO 20, THE SECOND YEAR.
I THINK IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, A PROGRAM THAT DOESN'T WORK LIKE ANYTHING, WE JUST DON'T FUND IT GOING FORWARD.
UM, BUT THE GOAL IS TO MAKE IT SELF SUFFICIENT.
I, I TALKED TO SEVERAL JUDGES LAST WEEK BEFORE OUR MEETING AND THE FEEDBACK WAS THE SAME FROM ALL FOUR OF THEM.
IT'LL BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS YOU WANT IT TO BE.
SO, UM, I THINK AS LONG AS WE HAVE A COUNCIL THAT'S OPEN-MINDED AND WE HAVE SUPERVISORS AND VALLEY HELPS ONBOARD.
UM, ONE THING I DID WANT TO RAISE IS I KNOW WE WENT AHEAD AND WE'RE GOING TO BE ASSESSING AGAINST TONIGHT THAT BUILDING DEPARTMENT AS A SELF-SUFFICIENT DEPARTMENT THAT WE CREATE AND MOVE FORWARD WITH, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS STUFF.
AND WE DID RUN INTO SOME PITFALLS.
I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR TWO YEARS, GARY, AND I KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT AND FOLKS AND WORKING ON IT.
UM, I, I JUST LIKE TO SEE IT ROLLED OUT.
MAYBE NOT, YOU KNOW, LIKE TO SEE IT ROLLED OUT.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA BASED ON STATISTICAL, THIS STATISTICAL THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT REALLY PLANNED FORWARD AND NOT MAKE SOME OF THE MISTAKES WE'VE JUST RECENTLY DEALT WITH.
WELL, I THINK HIRING THE JURY COURT COORDINATORS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN NOT HIRING A BUILDING CODE OFFICIAL FOR THAT DEPARTMENT, WE'VE ALREADY GOT ONE FOOT IN FRONT OF THE OTHER.
JUST, LET'S BE, LET'S TAKE THIS.
I KNOW IT'S A PASSION PROJECT FOR SOME IN THIS ROOM AND I THINK THAT'S AWESOME, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE MEASURED STEPS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE DON'T RUN INTO SOME OF THE, IT'S ALSO REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE HAVE TO GET ON BOARD WITH HIRING A DRUG COURT COORDINATOR, BUT ULTIMATELY THE SUPREME COURT OF VIRGINIA HAS TO APPROVE OUR BUSINESS MODEL AND PLAN.
SO IF IT GOES BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT OF VIRGINIA AND THEY'RE LIKE, THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY FREAKING SENSE, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
SO WE'VE ALLOCATED MONEY TOWARDS IT, BUT THE MONEY IS NOT WELL.
I MEAN, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE LOOKING AT WHETHER IT'S COST EFFECTIVE.
I MEAN, I MEAN THERE'S, AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.
IS IT WORTH $40,000? THAT'S THAT'S THE HIGHER LINE OF QUESTION YOU PUT ON? SOMEBODY'S LIKE, WELL, IF IT'S, THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION RIGHT HERE IN THIS CAMP.
NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION.
THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THIS QUESTION IS NOT, WHETHER WE DO NOTHING OR DO SOMETHING, NOT THE QUESTION OF PUTTING A PRICE ON SOMEBODY'S LIFE.
UM, WHAT'S THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THIS IS GOING TO BE, UH, AN EFFECTIVE PROGRAM, THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THOSE LIVES.
OR IF IT'S GOING TO BE A SENSE OF A GOVERNMENT ENTITY COMING ALONG AND POURING ENDLESS AMOUNTS OF MONEY INTO A PROGRAM, YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SPEND MORE THAN $40,000 ON TOURISTS TO COME HERE.
I MEAN, I MEAN, LISTEN, I WAS HESITANT GOING INTO LAST THURSDAY'S MEETING.
I WAS ALL YEARS, BUT YOU KNOW, MY STEPDAD TURNED FROM CAMP SEVEN WHITE POSTS, AND I GREW UP RIDING THE BUS HEALTH HAIR, HOLD ON PAST THE BAD THING, BUT I JUST, I I'VE SEEN HOW BADLY FRONT ROYAL AND WARREN COUNTY SPECIFICALLY HAVE BEEN TARGETED IN THE OPIOID EPIDEMIC.
AND IF COVID HAS DONE NOTHING ELSE, OTHER THAN KILL SMALL BUSINESSES, UM, IT'S, IT'S HEIGHTENED
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THE OPIOID EPIDEMIC.UM, AND THE MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS THAT WE HAVE.
AND SO FOR ME, I'M STRONGLY CONSERVATIVE.
YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CAMP BROWN AND I'M LIKE, WHO ARE WE TO SAY, WHO DOES WHAT WITH THEIR PROPERTY? AND WHO ARE WE TO SAY HOW THEY PAY THEIR TAXES? BUT I THINK $40,000 IT'S WORTH IT.
BUT TO THAT POINT, I MEAN TO, TO THE POINT OF, OF HOW IT GOT HERE, I MEAN, HOW DID WE GET HERE? I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE GET INTO THIS OPIATE OPIOID EPIDEMIC? CAUSE THEY'RE AT THE TABLE TOO, BUT THEY'RE NOT HERE.
WHO IS IT? BUT SCOTT, THERE'S BEEN THINGS THAT HAVE PUT IN PLACE FOR THAT.
YOU CAN'T GO AND SAY, MY BACK HURTS AND GET 90 PERCOCET NOW FOR A 30 DAY SUPPLY.
BUT ALSO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WE'RE GOING TO SIT AROUND THIS TABLE WITH OUR ARMS CROSSED AND SAY, NO BIG PHARMA COME SAVE THEM.
MY, MY POINT IS, MY POINT IS WE'RE HERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST BIG PHARMA BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAD TO PRESCRIBE THEM.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY'RE HIRED BY THE BIG PHARMACEUTICALS, THE DOCTORS AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
SO MY POINT IS VALLEY HEALTH HAS, HAS VALLEY HEALTH WILLING TO ADD SOME RESPONSIBILITY.
THEY WERE NOT THE ONLY DOCTORS IN TOWN THAT WERE DOING THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WERE LIKE WIGGLE ON YOUR MRI.
AND I CAN GIVE YOU A PRESCRIPTION FOR SUCH AND SUCH.
NO, THAT'S NOT REALLY THE CASE.
MY PROBLEM HERE RIGHT NOW IS THAT YOUR STANCE AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE DISRESPECTFUL, SENSITIVE AT BEST.
LIKE YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY, BUT IT'S INSENSITIVE.
I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO, I HAVE VOLUNTEERED IN THESE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE GO AND THEY GET HELP.
AND IN WINCHESTER THEY GO, THEY HAVE CURFEWS, THEY GET TAXI VOUCHERS, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY TO GET TO AND FROM WORK, THEY GET HELP WITH THEIR RESUMES AND THEY'RE ACCOUNTED FOR, AND THEY'RE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THERE ARE PEER TO PEER PROGRAMS, WHICH WORKS THE BEST BECAUSE I CAN'T TALK TO A DRUG ADDICT ABOUT AN ADDICTION PROBLEM.
SO ONCE THEY GRADUATE OR THEY'VE COME CLEAN SOME OTHER KIND OF WAY, MAYBE THEY JUST BORED.
THEY ARE THEN MENTORING OTHERS ALONG THE SAME PATH THAT THEY CAN CALL AND SAY, HEY, I'M HAVING A BAD DAY.
I'M THINKING ABOUT SUCH AND SUCH.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO ON INTO THESE PROGRAMS THAT REALLY, REALLY HELP PEOPLE AND $40,000.
I'M SORRY YOU SPEND MORE ON A CAR THAN THAT.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE BEING INTENTIONALLY.
I HEAR WHERE YOU'RE NOT BEING, BUT I W I CAN, CAN I JUST SAY ITEM TO THE BUDGET? I WILL JUST SAY SCOTT, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, UM, WHILE YOU TALK ABOUT HOW WE GOT HERE, LOOK AT THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE THROWING IN JAIL FOR THESE CRIMES AND CHARGES, AND THEN LOOK WHERE THEY END BACK UP AND IT'S COSTING US MONEY.
I MEAN THE DOLLAR AMOUNT PER DAY, PER INMATES IN THIS PACKET TOO, I THINK WE'RE RIGHT UNDER A HUNDRED DOLLARS, BUT IT'S LIKE, THAT'S NOT WORKING EITHER.
SO WHEN DO WE MAKE A SYSTEM THAT WORKS IN JAIL BY ALL ASPECTS ASKING, I AGREE, I HEAR YOU AND CREATE GOOD POLICY.
I HAVEN'T ANNOUNCED HIS STANCE.
SO IF THAT'S AN INSENSITIVE PROCESS, THEN I'M PART OF AN INSENSITIVE PROCESS, BUT I'M NOT YES, YOU'RE DOING YOUR JOB.
BUT WE'RE LITERALLY WHEN, WHEN I THINK ABOUT DOLLARS AND MONEY, AND I DO THINK ABOUT HOW WE ARE SPENDING AS AN ORGANIZATION, AS A TOWN, HOW WE ARE SPENDING.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COURT SYSTEM THAT WE'VE SEEN IN PLACE THROUGHOUT AT WORK.
SO WE'RE SEEING TRENDS ARE UPWARDS.
AND THE ASK IS $40,000, NOT $40 MILLION, ALL OF OUR WATER.
AND THAT WAS DOLLARS THIS YEAR FOR ONE YEAR.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT GOES ON, DON'T FUND IT NEXT YEAR.
IF IT DOESN'T WORK WELL, THAT'S PART OF WHAT I WAS GETTING TO IS WHAT DOES, WHAT ARE THE AGREEMENTS LOOK LIKE? WE HAVEN'T SEEN THOSE YET.
I UNDERSTAND WE'RE ASKING TO FUND A POSITION, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MOS WITH THE COUNTY THAT WE'VE TRIED TO WORK ON AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
I'D LOVE TO SEE SOME OF THAT NOW, INSTEAD OF BEING HANDED IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M ASKED TO MAKE A VOTE LIKE MAYBE, OR ARE YOU IN 20 MINUTES BEFORE A MEETING OR WHATEVER.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF WE CAN GET.
SOME, SOME OF THAT SOONER THAN LATER, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP KIND OF MOVE THIS ALONG IN A MORE ORDERLY PROCESS IN TERMS OF HOW WE CHOOSE TO DO THE, AND I UNDERSTAND, AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THE PAST STRATEGIC ROADS, SO THERE'S EMOTIONS RUNNING HIGH, BUT IT'S HONESTLY LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATISTICS, TAKE SOME OF THAT PASSION OUT AND JUST LOOK AT SOME OF THAT.
I REALLY THINK IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM, UH, FROM THE CHIEF.
AND I'VE HEARD IN TERMS OF THE DOLLARS IN A SENSE, I KNOW THAT SOUNDS VERY INSENSITIVE, BUT THE REALITY IS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TAXPAYER DOLLARS, UM, THAT WE SHOULD BE ABOUT W WHAT IS THE ROI ON THIS? AND I THINK THERE'S A HIGH ROI
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WHEN IT COMES TO HUMAN LIFE AND THERE'S A WHORE OUT OUR HEART, GOOD ROI WHEN IT COMES TO CHANGING THE COMMUNITY AND THE CULTURE IN FRONT ROYAL AND WARREN COUNTY.AND I THINK THAT'S THE POSITIVE, AND I'LL WRAP IT UP BY SAYING BASED ON THE STATISTICS THAT I'VE SEEN, THAT EVERYBODY HAS PROVIDED, IT DOES LOOK LIKE AN EXCELLENT PROGRAM, BUT I'M ASKING YOU THE QUESTION YOU SHOULD NOT, SORRY.
I'M GOING TO OFFER SOMETHING THAT I COULDN'T GO GET THERE.
SO TWO THINGS ACTUALLY THING I DO, I DO KNOW SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE WATCHED THE INNER WORKINGS OF THE DRUG COURT AND YOU WANT TO TRUST HER.
UM, AND EVEN MY SON HAS INTERNSHIP, UM, AND WINCHESTER, YOU KNOW, SHARE IT VERY IMPRESSED WITH HOW MUCH HE, THE PEOPLE HAVE TO DO TO BE ABLE TO GRADUATE.
AND SO I DO FEEL LIKE THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF ACCOUNTABILITY IN THERE.
UM, I WAS EXTREMELY IMPRESSED WITH THE 37% GRADUATION RATE, ESPECIALLY KNOWING THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY ABOVE STATE AVERAGE.
SO WHEN THEY TOLD US LAST THURSDAY THAT THEY WERE PLANNING TO MODEL OURS AFTER, UM, WHEN TESTERS DRUG COURT, I FELT LIKE THAT WAS ENCOURAGING BECAUSE IF THEY'RE HAVING SUCH SUCCESS THERE, UM, THEN, THEN, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE WILL SEE THE SAME TURNAROUND.
SO THAT'S ON THE AGENDA HERE JUST TO GIVE THE COUNCIL HEADS AND TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING UP HERE AT THE MARCH 28TH AS WELL.
UM, SEWER RATES, A TWO AND A QUARTER PERCENT ELECTRIC WATER REFUSE AT THIS TIME, THE SEWER RATE DECREASE IS LOWER THAN THE ORIGINAL RATE STUDY THAT WE HAD DONE BACK IN 2018 OR 2019, ORIGINALLY SET UP 3.75%.
UM, IF WE USE THE SAUDI ARPA FUNDS TO HELP BANK, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WE'RE RECOMMENDING ON AVERAGE FOR AVERAGE RESIDENT 5,500 GALLONS OF SEWER INCREASE, A DOLLAR 24 MONTHLY, UM, GRADE SCHEDULE IS, UH, PROPOSING TO AN AFFORDED PERCENT YEAR OVER YEAR.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND WHAT'S PROJECTED.
SO PREDICTED AVENUE, UH, AVERAGE REVENUE IS A MONTHLY INCREASE WITH THAT ONE.
IT'S 24 MONTHLY ON DEECH BILL.COM INJECTIONS ON THAT.
OVERALL, I DON'T HAVE THEM OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I DO HAVE THEM APOLOGIZE.
THE, UM, UH, AND IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT JUST THE DOLLAR 24 PER ACCOUNTS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO TAKE IN ALL THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL OF COURSE.
UM, AND IT'S ACTUALLY, WE WERE SEEING A LOWER, UM, REVENUE, UH, FOR SEWER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE, ALSO THE INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMER AND ALSO LOWER USES DOLLAR.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN INCREASE, UH, THAT WE'RE SAYING OVERALL REVENUE IS JUST MORE OF AN OFFSET TOWARDS, I HAVE A QUESTION.
IF WE SEE MORE GROWTH IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, AGAIN, AS SEEMS LIKE THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE ONCE WE INCREASE IT, YOU NEVER GO BACK DOWN.
BUT IF RIGHT, IF WE SEE IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND DECIDES TO USE TONS AND THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, THIS COULD GO BACK DOWN BECAUSE IT WAS A HUGE LOSS THAT WE TOOK DURING COVID CORRECT, BUT YEAH, LOST SOME INDUSTRY.
UM, BUT YES, WE DO SEE AN INCREASE.
WE CAN CERTAINLY REVISIT IT AND DECREASE.
I BELIEVE WE, WE DID IT IN 2014.
UH, WE DECREASE THE OBSERVED RATES.
SO 2014, I BELIEVE I'M NOT POSITIVE.
DON'T WANT ME TO DATE, BUT I KNOW WE, I KNOW WE DID DECREASE THEM WHEN HERE, I KNOW THE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE YEAH.
INFRASTRUCTURE CONSENT ORDER GETTING HIGH AND I ON BOARD.
YEAH, NO, I GET THE IMPORTANCE OF IT.
I WAS JUST ASKING, BECAUSE I, I, THIS STUDY WAS DONE IN 2018 OR 2019, SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE WERE NEEDING OR PLANNING TO ADJUST IT THEM, BUT IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS LIKE ONE OR TWO BIG INDUSTRIAL PLANTS CLOSED ABRUPTLY AT THE BEGINNING OF COVID.
AND THEN THAT LIKE REALLY HEIGHTENED THE NEED TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE STUDY.
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YES, WE HAVE, WE HELD OFF ON A WATER, UH, WATER INCREASE.UM, AND THEN, UH, YOU HAD THE SEWER WAS, WE WAS THE WATER INCREASE EVER DONE AFTER THAT? WE DIDN'T WANT TO INCREASE, BUT THEN, UM, UH, THE, UH, HOPEFULLY WE USE ORACLE FUNDS.
WE WON'T SEE IT, UH, WATER INCREASE.
THERE'S A LOT, LIKE SHOOT MYSELF IN THE FOOT BECAUSE I'M A CLIENT OF THIS ENTERPRISE SERVICE.
SO WHEN I TALK ABOUT RAISING RATES, YOU CAN CONTROL SOME OF WHAT, RIGHT.
WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE, UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS WITHIN THE BUDGET THAT WE KIND OF LIKE, UM, AND WITH THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND THE SURPLUS IN ENTERPRISE FUND, BEING ABLE TO BE TRANSFERRED TO THE GENERAL FUND TO COVER SOME OF THOSE ARE NOT CERTAINLY THE REVENUES ARE.
THEY'RE PAYING A PORTION OF THE EXPENSES FOR THE GENERAL FUND.
SO IF YOU KNOW, TO NOT INCREASE TAXES AND KEEP THE TAX RATE FLAT AS WE HAVE, OR NOT INCREASED SINCE 2013, IS THAT RIGHT? OR BEFORE THAT, UM, SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT AREA, I DON'T WANT THAT.
I, I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I GET THAT WATERVILLE.
I KNOW I GET IT LIKE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TO ATTAIN THAT LEVEL, SET THAT INTO MY WORK FOR ME.
I READ HIM A THOUSAND DOLLAR CHECK TO CATCH UP.
SO AGAIN, SHOOTING MYSELF IN THE FOOT, BUT IN TERMS OF RATES WITHIN LOCALITIES WITHIN THE AREA, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS, WERE LOW, CORRECT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I DO THINK THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE TO PROBABLY HAVE, AND THIS IS FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IS THAT WE MAY HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS ARE BUSINESSES RUNNING WITHIN THE TOWN.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THE CREDIT CARD FEES.
WE NEVER GOT ANYWHERE WITH THAT, THAT JAKE STARTED.
UM, AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, BUT, UM, JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, WE MAY NEED TO THINK ABOUT THESE ENTERPRISE FUNDS AS ENTERPRISES AND THE POSSIBILITY OF RAISING SOME OF THOSE RATES IN THE FUTURE.
AND I'LL JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE.
NOT A GOOD, NOT A FUN TOPIC, BUT IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO INCREASES IN EVERY COST THAT OUR TOWN DEALS WITH, UH, IN TERMS OF INFLATION AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, YEAH, OUR TOWN WAS LIKE A SMALL BUSINESS.
THAT'S, THERE'S A COST AROUND THAT COME UP.
THE TOWNS, REVENUE STAYS FLAT AND THE WAY THEY THINK ABOUT THAT ANYWAY.
MA'AM UM, COULD YOU JUST POINT OUT AT YOU AIN'T READ THEM, BUT COULD YOU POINT OUT HOW MUCH OF THE ARTICLE UPON WE USE TOWARDS THE WATER AND SEWER CAPITAL PROJECTS? RIGHT NOW WE'VE DEDICATED $3 MILLION OF OUR BOAT OR THE, UH, UH, EMERGENCY POINT REPAIRS.
UM, AND, UM, UH, WE HAVE NOT ALLOCATED ANY OF THE OTHER ARPA FUNDS JUST YET.
UH, THE BIDS FOR THE MAJOR PROJECTS WILL BE GOING OUT HERE AND, UH, HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE POINTED OUT THAT WE WERE USING SOME OF THOSE FUNDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SEWER AND WATER RATES WEREN'T GOING UP ANY HIGHER THAN THEY COULD HAVE GONE.
UM, AND NUMBER THREE, I'M NUMBER DOWN TALKING ABOUT IT.
AND I DON'T, I'M NOT READING UP THE DRIP WORK THAT HE DID, BUT I DID WANT TO JUST SAY THAT I HAD QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUDGET, AND I'M JUST GONNA EMAIL ALL THOSE TO MR. HEAD CAUSE HE HAS WORKED IT OUT TO THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT.
AND THEN, UM, IF ANY, AND THEN IF NEED BE, I GUESS AT THE APRIL WORK SESSION ABOUT THE BUDGET BEFORE IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE END OF APRIL.
MA'AM SO PART OF THE PART, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, I MEAN, FOR EVERYBODY, THIS IS THE PART OF THE REASON FOR THESE INCREASES IS TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
I MEAN, SO, AND JUST AS A REMINDER TO EVERYBODY, I, AND I HAVEN'T BECAUSE ALL RIGHT, SEWER DETERIORATED TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAD A CONSENT ORDER BROUGHT UPON THE TOWN OR SUFFER CONSEQUENCES.
THAT IS THAT BASICALLY THE SHORT VERSION OF THE STORY.
SO THIS IS A RESULT OF, UM, YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS OF COMPLETE NEGLECT OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
NOW WE'RE NOW, UM, HAVING TO CATCH UP TO DO JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE, RIGHT? ADIOS.
MOVING ON TO DISCOVER APARTMENT OIL, 23 BUDGET AND TRAVELING TOURISM AND RANDOM BREEDING, GREENING, WEDNESDAYS, C6, STEVEN, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UH, IF YOU ALL RECALL, WE DIDN'T HAVE, WE HAD A JOINT MEETING
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WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO DISCUSS THE EMO YOU, AND WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY RECEIVED IN YOUR PACKAGE WAS, WAS OUR INTERPRETATION OR A SLIGHT LITTLE CHANGE COMING OUT OF THAT MEETING.WE'LL TALK ABOUT, UM, A MINIMUM OF 50, NOT TO EXCEED 70 BASED ON FIVE-YEAR AVERAGE.
SINCE THEN TODAY, UH, I RECEIVED A EMAIL FROM DR.
DALEY AT 4 45 WITH A REVISED MOU.
I JUST, NOW, THEN AS YOU REVIEW IT, THERE ARE SOME, UH, CHANGES, UH, THAT I'LL, WE'LL HIGHLIGHT REAL QUICK AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION.
UM, BUT ON PAGE TWO ON DISPEL OR FRONT ROYAL SHELL, UH, THE PART THAT HAS CHANGED IS FIVE B FUNDING EQUAL SHARES BY THE TOWN OF COUNTY.
IT IS THE PARTY'S INTENTION THAT THE MINIMUM FUNDING WILL BE A TREND TENDENCY, OCCUPANCY TAX DEDICATED TO THE TOURISM BY THE COUNTY AND MATCHED EQUALLY BY THE TOWN SUBJECT TO APPROPRIATE YEAR.
UH, THE TOWN OF ROYAL SHELL PRETTY MUCH SAYS FUND HALF THE BUDGET.
NUMBER TWO ON PAGE TWO, UH, ON HALF OF THE BUDGET, ALONG WITH THE COUNTY HAVE DISCOVERED FROM OIL SUCH TO BE FUN.
IT WILL BE DECIDED BY THE TOWN OF COUNTY EACH YEAR AS PART OF THEIR RESPECTIVE BUDGET PROCESS PROVIDED THAT SUCH FUNNY MOUNTS BE PROVIDED BY THE TOWN FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, STARTING JULY 1ST, 2022 AT ANY JUNE 30TH, 2023 SHALL BE $200,000 WITH ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION BY THE COUNTY OF 200,000.
SO THE TOTAL FUNDING OF 400,000 SHALL BE PROVIDED UNTIL THE NONPROFIT IS GRADED AND OPERATIONAL.
THE TOWN SHALL REMIT PAYMENT OF FUNDING TO THE COUNTY, WHICH IS THE FISCAL AGENT FOR THE PAYMENT OF THE TOURISM EXPENSES.
WHAT ELSE WAS ADDED WAS NUMBER THREE, AT LEAST THE VISITOR CENTER TO DISCOVER PRO BOYLE FOR A DOLLAR PER YEAR UNTIL THE EARLIER OF THE TERMINATION OF THIS AGREEMENT OR 40 YEARS.
UH, THE OTHER ONE, UM, THAT WAS THERE.
W WAS IT SURE IT SAYS TRANSFER THE BTC, DOES A MARKETING ORGANIZATION RECORDING A DESIGNATION TO DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL ON 5, 1, 2 WORDS THAT WERE ADDED TO THE ON PAGE THREE, NUMBER FIVE, UH, TRANSFER ALL TOURISM RELATED LICENSE, ENTITLEMENTS, AND INTELLECTUAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT THAT WAS ADDED THERE.
AND THEN THE COUNTY OF WARREN COUNTY, NUMBER TWO, AGAIN, IT MENTIONS FUND HALF OF THE BUDGET ALONG WITH THE TOWN OF DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL, THE GOALS AND PRIORITIES HAVEN'T CHANGED, BUT ON PAGE FOUR, THAT MENDEZ, WHAT HAS CHANGED IS THE VERBIAGE ON THAT, INSTEAD OF SAYING, UH, PRETTY MUCH TERMINATION WITH THE 90 DAYS, IT SAYS THIS AGREEMENT SHALL CONTINUE EACH FISCAL YEAR, STARTING JULY 1ST, ANY JUNE 30TH, 30TH, UNLESS TERMINATE BY EACH PARTY BY MARCH OF ANY YEAR.
AND I'M SURE THAT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING OUR BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR INSTEAD OF 90 DAYS READY.
AND SO WHAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED AND YOU'LL SEE IN OUR, IN THE MEMO IS, IS THAT WE RECOMMEND FUNDING AND DISCOVER OIL AT A MINIMUM 50% NOT TO EXCEED 70% OF FIVE-YEAR ROLLING AVERAGE OF THE ACTUAL REVENUE RECEIVED FROM THE TRANSIT OCCUPANCY BY THE TOWN, AND SHALL NOT EXCEED THE AMOUNT FUNDED BY THE PENALTY.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING, THE RATIONAL BEHIND THAT IS IF THE TOWN WERE TO GENERATE $300,000, THEN 70% WOULD BE TWO 10.
BUT IF THE COUNTY WERE TO GENERATE 200,000, WE WERE MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE AT LEAST EQUAL, BUT NOT EXCEED.
AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE BUDGETED A PROPOSED MATCH OF $200,000 FOR AFLAC 23 MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTS THAT WE START GETTING THESE UPDATED ITEMS, THE FOUR OR 5:00 PM, THE NIGHT OF A WORK SESSION AFTER WE SPENT FOUR HOURS AT A JOINT MEETING.
AND I'M SURE YOU'RE PROBABLY REFERRING TO THE COUNTY.
COULD YOU RESPOND TO THIS AND GOING FORWARD RESPECTFULLY? UM, CAUSE I, IT WASN'T SENT DIRECTLY TO ME OR I WOULD, BUT I MEAN, IT KIND OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF THE FOUR-HOUR MEETINGS.
WE'RE HAVING AT THE GOVERNMENT CENTER WHEN THEY COME TO A CONSENSUS AND THEN WE SHOW UP HERE AND IT'S ALL DIFFERENT.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, I THINK WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD KEEP THE WORDING THAT WE HAD THAT WE AGREED ON THAT NIGHT AT THE MEETING.
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MISSED THE BOAT HERE WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT THAT NIGHT IN THAT FOUR HOUR MEETING AS COUNCIL.UM, WHEREAS THAT WE EVERYBODY'S SEEMED OKAY WITH THE WORDING THAT WE WERE USING THE 50 TO 70%, UM, AND NOT TO EXCEED THE COUNTY.
I, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WAS HIM, THAT'S WHAT WE SAID.
AND I ALSO DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER EVER DISCUSSING, I KNOW THAT THIS A SENATOR WAS IN THE ORIGINAL ONE OF MY WAY, BUT THEN THIS LAST ONE, IT WASN'T.
SO I DON'T REMEMBER DISCUSSING DEFINITELY DID NOT DISCUSS 40 YEARS.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S THAT'S MY PROPOSAL IS, IS THAT WE SCRATCH THE NEWS THAT THIS IS WHAT WE SAID.
THAT WAS WHAT WE AGREED ON AND SEND IT BACK TO THE COUNTY AND, AND GO WITH THAT.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE WAS A CHANGE WHEN EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE OKAY WITH IT, NOT EVEN TWO WEEKS AGO.
I AGREE WITH LAURIE AND I DON'T EVEN THINK THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS SEEN THIS UPDATED VERSION.
IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS JUST BETWEEN THE ATTORNEY AND ED DAILY.
LIKE WE, WE ALL NOTED AT ABOUT 4 45 THIS EVENING.
SO I I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THE WHOLE, AGAIN, THAT'S GREAT RESPECTS.
THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WORKS FOR THE BOARD.
SO PERHAPS IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEY SHOULD ADDRESS THESE TYPES OF BEHAVIORS.
HOWEVER, I WILL ALSO JUST ADD, WHY ARE WE BEING PRESENTED WITH SOMETHING THAT THE SUPERVISORS HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN AN AGREED TO.
WE'RE GOING TO SIT AROUND THIS TABLE AND DISCUSS SOMETHING AND NEGOTIATE BACK AND FORTH FOR GOD KNOWS HOW LONG AND WHO KNOWS WHAT THE SUPERVISORS ARE.
EVEN ON BOARD WITH THIS AS A RESULT.
THIS IS THE BY DEFINITION, MISSED INEFFECTIVE USE OF GOVERNMENT.
I HAVE NOTHING TO DISCUSS FOR THIS AT THE ONE THAT WE AGREED TO AT THAT MEETING IN THE BACK.
JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE MAYOR THE, THE, THE AGREEMENT THAT, THAT I SUBMITTED WITH THE PACKAGE AT THAT NIGHT, ALL BUT ONE PERSON FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND TOWN COUNCIL WERE IN FAVOR OF THAT.
SO AGAIN, UH, BUT THERE WAS SOME VERBIAGE WE NEEDED TO CLARIFY THAT I DIDN'T CAPTURE THE, UH, UH, UM, FIVE YEARS OR 60 DAYS.
WE WANT TO MAKE THE CHANGES TO THAT TOO.
I MEAN, BILLY, I GOT A HUNDRED THINGS GOING.
SO THE, SO THE MOA THAT'S IN THIS PACKAGE, I'M GOING TO SIT BACK TO ED.
THE ONE THAT I SHARED WITH YOU WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
I MEAN, YOU COULD EDIT THIS YEAR, A CENTER FOR A DOLLAR IF YOU WANTED TO ADD THAT PART, BUT I WOULDN'T DO 40 YEARS.
WELL, I NEED, I NEED GUIDANCE ON THIS BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT ONE, LIKES MIRROR, JUST PUT SOMETHING ON THE TABLE.
WHAT WAS THAT? VICE MAYOR? COCKEREL HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING REGARDING THE 40 YEARS.
NO, I SAID THAT IF THEY WANT IT, IF IT'S NECESSARY FOR US TO KEEP A LINE IN THERE ABOUT LEAPING THE BUSINESS OR SPEND, OR FOR A DOLLAR, WE COULD, WE CAN ADD THAT TO THIS IN A WAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEND BACK TO THEM, BUT I WOULD NOT WANT IT TO BE FOR 40 YEARS, I WOULD SAY FOR THE CAMERA WHENEVER, WHENEVER WE ARE CON YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS IT'S IN THE WAY.
AND THEN THE FACT THAT NOT WORKING OVER THE YEARS, I'VE ASKED A LOT OF TIMES, AND HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET A STRAIGHT ANSWER.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND IF WE'RE LEASING IT TO THEM FOR $1 PER YEAR, BUT THERE'S MAINTENANCE TO BE DONE TO, AND FOR THE BUILDING, WHY ISN'T THAT COUNTING TOWARDS OUR CONTRIBUTION AND A DOLLAR AMOUNT? I GUESS THE SAME QUESTION I'VE BEEN ASKING THAT FOR TWO MONTHS.
I MEAN, THE MAINTENANCE OF A BRICK AND MORTAR SHOP HAS TO HAVE SOME FISCAL YEAH.
WOMAN MORRIS, UH, DJ, UH, DO WE PAY FOR THE UTILITIES OR IS THAT SHARED WITH THE PAY THAT WE PAY THE UTILITIES TO PAY THE UTILITIES? NOT EVEN JUST UTILITIES.
THE HEAT AND AC, I MEAN, YOU HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF MONEY.
SO, I MEAN, THERE IS A LOT OF MAINTENANCE THAT GOES INTO THIS.
WE'RE GOING TO LEASE IT FOR $1 MATCH, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND GETTING NO CREDIT
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FOR THE BUILDING GETTING RIPPED OFF.WELL, I MEAN, AT THIS POINT WE'RE HAVING ALL THESE MEETINGS FOR NO REASONS.
SO MAYBE JUST TAKE THE WHOLE VISITOR CENTER OUT OF .
AT SOME POINT IT HAS TO COME UP.
WHERE DID WE GET THIS DONE? WHERE ARE WE, WHERE DID WE MAKE A DECISION? I MEAN, WHEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER JOINT MEETING THIS MONTH AND THEN COME BACK HERE FOR A WORK SESSION IN APRIL, THEN I HAVE ANOTHER JOINT MEETING IN JUNE AND COME BACK HERE FOR ANOTHER WORK SESSION, WHERE DO WE DRAW? WE HAVE TO PUT A DOLLAR AMOUNT ON IT.
BJ, COULD YOU GET US MAYBE SOME TYPE OF FIGURES FOR THE UTILITIES, AT LEAST AND MAINTENANCE INSURANCE.
AND THEN WE'LL TAKE THAT TO THE COUNTY AND SPLIT THOSE CALLS OR SOMETHING.
I MEAN, WE HAVE TO LEAVE HERE TONIGHT.
WELL, I THINK THE WAY WE COULD DO IT, IF COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, ONCE IT'S, ONCE THEY HAVE, AT LEAST THERE'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL UTILITIES, AND THEN THERE COULD BE SOMETHING IN THE LEASE WHEN WE ACTUALLY LEASE IT, THAT DEFINES SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE UPKEEP.
WELL, THIS NEW PARAGRAPH IN HERE JUST SAYS, WE PAY IT.
WE GET DISCOVERED FROM ROME IS A DOLLAR A YEAR.
IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT UTILITIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WITH SCOTT OR A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE HERE.
I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO SIGN AND AGREE TO LEASE THAT TO THEM FOR A DOLLAR WITHOUT SEEING THE LEAST, UM, DO ONE ADDITIONAL THING THOUGH, IS THAT I HAD SOME, UH, CONCERNS FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, UM, FOR JIM AND HIS RESPONSES THAT HE DIDN'T WANT TO COMMENT ON ANYTHING, THE GALLEYS OF AN UNFINISHED MOA READ THE, I GUESS THE POLITICAL AGREEMENT HAD NOT BEEN REACHED.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS MOA THE ONE THAT'S BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE ATTORNEYS? NO, WE JUST GOT THIS WELL, OKAY.
I MEAN, BUT THIS IS WHEN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
SO I MEAN, THE, I GUESS MY POINT IS THAT WE'VE GOT TO GETTING TO THE FINAL POINT.
WE NEED TO INCORPORATE THE LEGAL REVIEW INTO THAT CONSIDERATION.
IS THERE SOME KIND OF SOMETHING GOING ON HERE THAT, I MEAN, I HAVE TO THINK THAT THERE'S SOME KIND OF REASONS WHERE THIS, BECAUSE WE GO TO THIS MEETING, LIKE YOU BROUGHT UP, WE HAVE FOUR HOUR MEETING, YOU WALK OUT OF THERE THINKING THAT WE FIND OUT.
I MEAN, I LITERALLY WALKED OUT ONE THING AND WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED SOME DID IT.
AND THEN, AND THEN NOW WE GET LAST MINUTE FROM THE ATTORNEY AND FROM THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, SOMETHING THAT LOOKS HONESTLY, I MEAN, THIS IS VASTLY DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE SECTIONS IN HERE, THEN WHAT WE ARGUED OVER AND DISCUSSED ON AND CAME TO CONSENSUS ON.
AND SO I JUST, I'M JUST CONCERNED.
THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON HERE.
DO THEY NOT? DOES THE COUNTY REALLY NOT WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS? DOES THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR NOT WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS? I MEAN, W WHO IS WHO I FEEL LIKE SOMEONE'S TRYING TO, I WAS GOING TO SAY IT SINCE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S SKEPTICAL ABOUT IT.
THEN ALONG WITH THE NEXT THING WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS ABOUT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, WHICH ALSO WE GOT AN EMAIL AT 4:35 PM WITH A DIFFERENT, FOR THE BUILDING CODE.
THIS IS PROPAGANDA TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE TOWN AND COUNTY ARE INCOMPETENT BUFFOONS.
AND WE'RE NOT THIS I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT AGAIN.
TOWN COUNCIL WAS ELECTED TO DO A JOB.
SUPERVISORS WERE ELECTED TO DO A JOB.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, A TOWN MANAGER, ATTORNEYS, WHOEVER IT IS MAKING CHANGES THAT WE, AS THE ELECTED OFFICIALS DID NOT AGREE TO AND THEN SPRINGING IT ON US AT THE LAST SECOND.
SO WE SIT AROUND THIS TABLE IN FRONT OF OUR CONSTITUENTS AND ON CAMERA PERPLEXED, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT, BUT IF PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW WHY, WHY WE CAN'T WORK TOGETHER, WE WORKED TOGETHER AND THEN WE CAME TO A COMPLETE AGREEMENT AND THEN WE GET SOMETHING LAST MINUTE THAT DOES NOT REFLECT THE AGREEMENT.
THE AGREEMENT BY THE WAY IS VIDEOTAPED IT'S ON TAPE.
ANYBODY CAN, CAN, UH, REVIEW WHAT WE AGREED TO ANYBODY.
YOU CAN ALSO AUDIO RECORDING .
SO THERE ALSO NEEDS TO BE ANSWERS AS TO WHAT HAPPENED HERE.
AND HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO ENGAGE IN THIS, STANDS UP AND PUTS THEIR FOOT DOWN AND SAYS ENOUGH, BECAUSE I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
AND I THINK THIS IS JUST INEFFECTIVE AND INEFFICIENT IN EVERY REGARD.
WELL, IF THEIR ADMINISTRATOR AND THEIR ATTORNEY ARE THE ONES THAT MADE THE CHANGE THE LAST MINUTE, IT'S UP TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T NOTHING THAT WE'VE DONE.
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RIGHT.SO YOU WANT TO SEND THAT BACK TO DEALER? YES, SIR.
EVERYBODY READY TO MOVE FORWARD? ALL RIGHT.
YEAH, THE NEXT ONE'S COMING UP WILL BE ITEMS THAT WILL BE ON THE CONSENT ITEM.
TRYING TO GET TO THE, WHAT ARE THREE OF THOSE GUYS? I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU MY ONE QUESTION.
I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THIS WILL OR WILL NOT CALL UP ANY OF THIS MORE MONEY.
AND THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION, IS IT BECAUSE IF YOU SPEND A BUNCH OF MONEY AND THEN THE COUNTY GETS WATER FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE, AND THEN ARE THOSE GOING TO BE LEFT, HOLDING THE BAG TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
RIGHT? ANY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE DONE BY THE DEVELOPER DEVELOPER, DEVELOPER.
ALL THE ITEMS THAT WE'VE MENTIONED IN THERE AS PART OF THE AGREEMENTS, UH, AGAIN, WITH THE STUDY, IT WILL BE ALL ON THE DEVELOPERS.
UH, DON, THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ALL FOR IT THEN DISCUSSED SPECIFICALLY, I GUESS.
WELL, ANYTHING IN THAT DOCUMENT, WE CAN DISCUSS YOU AS MUCH AS YOU WANT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? OKAY.
WELL, I JUST PROPOSED CAUSE THEN CONSENT.
JUST, UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THE ITEMS PRESENTED? YES.
YOU ASKED ME IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM EIGHT IS MONT AVENUE, STREET NAME, CHANGE TO BANKS BOULEVARD.
SO I PRINTED OUT FROM THAT, BUT I ASKED LINCOLN, FRANK JOHNSON COLORS, THE HIGHLIGHTS.
SO I'M SORRY, BUT ON HERE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S TWO MONTH, WHICH IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
JUST THE HIGHLIGHTED PORTION OF PITCH THAT GOES INTO SCRANTON.
AND THEN I ALSO ATTACHED OUR TOWN CODE WITH THE MR. HECK AND THEN I ALSO HAVE, UM, THE SIGNATURES THAT WENT AROUND FOR THAT PART PORTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVEN SOME EXTRA ONES ON THE OTHER SIDE, IF YOU GUYS WANTED TO LOOK AT THOSE AND THEN STEPHEN, YOU CAN HANG ON TO THOSE.
UM, SO THE FAMILY HAS REQUESTED THAT IT'D BE GEORGE BANKS BOULEVARD, BUT, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S LIKE TWO EDGE MONTHS ON HERE.
CAUSE IT'D BE LESS ON FIFTH OR RIGHT ON 15TH STREET IS ANOTHER EDGE MINE.
SO THIS IS STRAIGHTENING UP A LOT OF THINGS TO YOU GO FROM 13TH STREET TO EDGEMONT, AND THEN YOU'RE ON SCREEN AVENUE.
SO THIS IS JUST THE SECTION OF EDGEMONT AVENUE THEY ARE.
AND, UH, UH, SCRANTON AVENUE, UM, THE NEIGHBORS ARE ON BOARD.
UM, I CAN'T THINK OF, AND I'VE TALKED TO LAUREN ABOUT THE COSTS OF IT.
UM, IT'S VERY BARE, MINIMAL COSTS.
WE DO ALL OF THIS IN-HOUSE AS FAR AS THE SIGNAGE AND STUFF GOES, WE DON'T OUTSOURCE ANY OF THOSE THINGS.
UM, SO AT THIS JUNCTURE, I THINK WE COULD PUT THAT ON THE, NOT THE CONSENT AGENDA ON THE AGENDA FOR A VOTE ON THE 28TH, UNLESS THERE'S ANY MAJOR, THAT'D BE WILLING TO SECOND PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA FOR A VOTE AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
THEY NOT MAKES UP FOR, I THINK MAYBE ONE OR TWO THAT THEY COULDN'T CATCH AT HOME, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE.
THE PROCESS OF THEY GOT VOCALS GRAND AVENUE.
SO ALL THOSE STRAIGHT IN THE AFTERNOON, THERE'S NOT NO THREE TO THE TOWN CODE, WHICH ON THE SECOND PIECE, THE TOWN COUNCIL CAN CHANGE ANY STREET NAMES.
UM, NUMBER TWO, NUMBER TWO, THREE, AND THEN NOT DUPLICATING EXISTING STREET.
IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S A NEED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING HER.
IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
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THE PROCESS.IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S STRAIGHTFORWARD.
LAUREN'S AWARE OF THE PROCESS.
I'VE BEEN TALKING TO HER SINCE LIKE JANUARY, I THINK WHEN IT CAME OUT, I THINK, OH, SORRY.
SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS AND THAT IS TO CHANGE THE NAME OF PART OF HEDGE MONEY AVENUE.
IS THAT CORRECT? TO OFFICIALLY CHANGE THE NAME TO SOMETHING ELSE WHICH WOULD BE CHANGED ADDRESSES FOR THE CORRECT OR THEY'RE AWARE AND I'LL SEND YOU, UM, I'LL GIVE YOU THIS HIGHLIGHTED SHEET TO SHOW WHICH PART OF THE EDGEMONT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
HE HAS TO, OH, YOU DO HAVE IT.
AND HERE, THIS IS, WELL, IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT THE OTHER GROUPS, IT'S NOT REALLY REQUIRED, BUT , IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, CAN YOU POINT TO 2 0 1 9? SO WHAT YOU DO IS YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, AND THEN, UH, YOU WOULD PASS AN ORDINANCE AND THE ORDINANCE WOULD GET RECORDED AT THE COURTHOUSE.
THAT'S THE LEGAL PART OF IT, AS FAR AS THE POST OFFICE, UM, THAT'S MORE OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUE FOR THE 28TH FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
HOW MANY TODAY'S ADVERTISING OF MY IDEA.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY, I MEAN, I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THEM.
BUT, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BETTER WAY TO GO.
WHAT ARE YOU, ARE YOU CHANGING THIS STREET NAMES? I THINK WE JUST TALKED ABOUT LIKE A MONUMENT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE STREET NAME.
WE'RE HERE TO KEEP ALL THE RESIDENTS FROM HAVING TO CHANGE THEIR BUSINESSES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UH, WE CAN PUT A SIGN ON THAT AGAIN IN DESIGNING THE MIDDLE LIMITS.
I KNOW I CAN GO BACK AND ASK THEM THAT WHAT IS THE EARLIEST PUBLIC HEARING WE COULD GET THEN APRIL THE END OF APRIL, APRIL 5TH TO PURSUE GARY'S IDEA WOULD JUST BE A RESOLUTION OF COUNCIL.
WHICH WE COULD ADOPT ON THE 24TH, RIGHT? NO PUBLIC HEARING.
I WAS ABOUT TO SEE A MEMORIAL PLAQUE, UM, LIKE THE POUND CENTER THERE, THE COMMENTS AREA, UM, AGREEMENT FOR THAT.
LORIANNE, A NARROW HALLWAY OR SORRY, CALIFORNIA CAR CALLED MAYOR ALI.
I, UH, YOU KNOW, USE A POWERPOINT.
SO, UM, I JUST, I, THIS IS BASICALLY A FEW MINUTES TO INTRODUCE SOME FOLKS TO THIS CONCEPT OF NEW URBANISM.
UM, YOU KNOW, NOT MY CONCEPT OF IT OR NOT MY WORDING OR ANYTHING, BUT I JUST, UM, I WANTED TO INSERT IT INTO OUR OVERALL DISCUSSION ABOUT THE COMP PLAN.
I ONLY GAVE MYSELF 15 MINUTES, SO I'M NOT REALLY GOING TO GO INTO MAJOR DETAIL OR ANYTHING, BUT BASICALLY, UM, I'M, I'M PUTTING, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO RAVEN IN A COUPLE OF URBAN SETTINGS IN NEW YORK CITY AND THEN FLORENCE ITALY FOR A FEW MONTHS.
AND WHAT DO YOU MEAN BRINGING THAT UP IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, UM, THIS IS A PLACE THAT WHERE GROWTH OCCURRED, UH, HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO AND IT'S HIGHLY DEVELOPED, BUT YET IT'S STILL A, UH, A DESTINATION, A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO COME.
AND THE DEVELOPMENT HAD OCCURRED THERE IS, IS UPLIFTING TO THE HUMAN SPIRIT.
AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S AN SOURCE OF INSPIRATION TO PEOPLE, UM, AND IT HAS NEW PROJECTS OF YOURS.
AND SO, UM, THE REASON I BRING IT UP IS BECAUSE WE'RE IN AS PART OF OUR COMP PLAN PROCESS AND JUST A NUMBER OF OTHER, UH, GENERAL DISCUSSIONS, THERE'S THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE OF RENTAL HOLDS.
AND I THINK THAT MOSTLY AGREE THAT IT INVOLVES SOME SORT OF GROWTH.
AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE TAKE CAREFUL STEPS AND WE DO SOME SERIOUS THINKING AND TALKING,
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UM, THAT GROWTH CAN BE SOMETHING THAT UPLOADS OR LIFTS OUR COMMUNITY RATHER THAN SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE OUGHT TO FEAR AND HE'S DEPRESSED ABOUT.SO WHAT'S THIS CONCEPT OF NEW URBANISM.
THIS CONCEPT IS WE, IF WE THINK ABOUT IT AS PART OF THE SOLUTION TO GROWTH, THAT CAN REALLY, IT'S THE SOLUTION TO GROWTH THAT DETRACTS FROM THE COMMUNITY IS A NEW URBAN ISM IS PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT APPROACH, WALKABLE BLOCKS AND STREETS, HOUSING, AND SHOPPING IN CLOSE PROXIMITY AND ACCESSIBLE PUBLIC PLACES.
IN OTHER WORDS, NEW URBANISM FOCUSES ON HUMAN SCALE.
URBAN DESIGN IS THE IDEA OF PUTTING THE HUMAN PERSON AT THE CENTER OF THE GROWTH THAT OCCURS.
UM, AND SO YOU EVER BEEN IN SOME, I, I, WHEN I LOOK AT IT AND I HEAR, I THINK OF IT MORE OF A AS MAYBE A EUROPEAN TERM, UM, IN THE UNITED STATES, I HEAR THE CONCEPT OF WALKABILITY, UM, USED A LOT MORE.
AND IN THE BACKGROUND HERE, WE HAVE A TOWN OF HABERSHAM HABERSHAM, SOUTH CAROLINA, THAT IN THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEIR TOWN PLANNING EXERCISES, THEY INCORPORATED THIS IDEA OF WALKABILITY AND NEW URBANISM INTO THEIR, INTO THEIR TOWN.
AND SO, UH, IN MY, UH, RESEARCH ABOUT THIS THING, I CAME UP, I CAME UPON THESE CONCEPTS REALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, PROVIDENTIAL YOU'RE BY ACCIDENT.
UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST SOME THINKING I WAS DOING ABOUT THE IDEA THAT A LOT OF THE GROWTH THAT OCCURRED IN THE UNITED STATES HAPPENED AFTER WORLD WAR TWO, WHICH MEANT THAT IT HAPPENED AFTER THE CAR WAS INVENTED AND IN WIDE USE.
UM, AND, UH, BECAUSE IT, IT, IT, IT ASSUMES THE, THE AVAILABILITY OF CARS AND HIGHWAYS IT'S ACTUALLY LED TO, UM, IT'S INEFFICIENT, UH, YOU KNOW, I GUESS LIFE IN USE OF THAT, THAT, UM, OUR, OUR TOWN CASES AND SUCH, AND IT LED ME TO THIS GUY, LEON CAREER, UM, UH, REALLY, REALLY, IT WAS JUST A CHANCE OCCURRENCE THAT, THAT I HEARD OF THIS, THIS GUY'S NAME, BUT HE ENDS UP BEING THE GODFATHER OF THE NEW URBANISM IDEA.
AND SO I'M JUST GOING TO READ A BRIEF BIO, UH, WHEN HE, FROM, WHEN HE WON THE RICHARD DRY HOUSE PRIZE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME, HE'S BEST KNOWN AS THE ARCHITECT OF THE PRINCE OF WALES MODEL OF POWER BIRDIE AND DORSET DORSET, ENGLAND.
AND AS THE INTELLECTUAL GUY WHO FATHER OF THE NEW URBANISM, WE ADMITTED IN THE U S MR. CAREER BELIEVES ARCHITECTURE SHOULD NOT BE LEFT TO ARCHITECTS LEARN.
HE, HE SAYS, THE WORLD IS PAYING A HIGH PRICE FOR ABANDONING ARCHITECTURE TO THE WINDS OF EXPERTS FOR STAKING, A HEALTHY HUMAN URBAN EFFECT THROUGH THE CREATION OF BIBLE COMMUNITIES IN FAVOR OF FLEETING FASHION.
HIS VIEWS HAVE INSPIRED MANY NOTABLE PEOPLE, ARCHITECTURAL PROFESSIONALS AND AMATEURS ALIKE TO PURSUE A BETTER BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
AND THEY, THIS I THOUGHT WAS REALLY INTERESTING BECAUSE THIS IS THIS A, UH, ANECDOTE FROM SOMEBODY WHO WAS PLANNING IN ONE WAY, HEARD WHAT HE HAD TO SAY, AND THEN CHANGED HIS MIND.
NO OTHER ARCHITECT IN TOWN PLANNER, ANDRE DEWANI EXPERIENCED THE TRANSPORTING POWER OF MR. CAREER'S IDEA AT A LECTURE THAT CHANGED THE COURSE OF HIS CAREER CAREER, GAVE A POWERFUL TALK ABOUT TRADITIONAL URBAN ISM.
AND AFTER A COUPLE OF WEEKS OF REAL AGONY AND CRISIS, I REALIZED I COULDN'T GO ON DESIGNING THESE FASHIONABLE TALL BUILDINGS, WHICH WERE FASCINATING VISUALLY, BUT THEY DIDN'T PRODUCE A HEALTHY, URBAN EFFECT.
THEY WANT TO AFFECT SOCIETY IN A POSITIVE WAY.
AND SO HE CHANGED HIS APPROACH.
MR. CAREER HAS TAUGHT ARCHITECTURE AND TOWN PLANNING AT THE ROYAL COLLEGE OF ARTS, LONDON, PRINCETON UNIVERSITY, AND THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA AND YALE UNIVERSITY.
HE IS A FOUNDING TRUSTEE OF THE NEW SCHOOL FOR TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURE AND URBAN TOURISM URBANISM IN CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA, MR. CAREER'S HONORS INCLUDE THE JEFFERSON MEMORIAL GOLD MEDAL, THE BERLIN PRIZE FOR ARCHITECTURE, THE CHICAGO AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS AWARD, THE EUROPEAN CULTURE PRIZE, AND NOW THE INAUGURAL RICHARD DRY HOUSE PRIZE FROM THEIR DAY AND RICHARD CAREER.
UH, HE'S HIS SEVERAL WORK IS, UM, DRAWING FOR ARCHITECTURE.
AND, UM, IT JUST SO HAPPENED THAT, THAT, UH, LAUREN MENTIONED THAT IN HER, UM, GRADUATE STUDIES, THEY HAD TO STUDY QUEER.
AND SO HE'S GOT THIS BOOK AND I'VE BEEN, UM, SOCIALIZING AMONG OUR, UH, OUR, UH, FELLOW TOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS.
BUT, UM, I GOTTA WARN YOU, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME NUDES IN IT, UM, WHICH I WASN'T EXPECTING, BUT IT'S THERE.
BUT, UH, HE, HE, UH, HE, HE RATHER, THERE'S ALMOST NO WORDS AND IT BASICALLY REALLY THROUGH A SERIES OF SKETCHES, HE, HE, UM, HE EXPOUNDS THIS PHILOSOPHY BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, A PEDESTRIAN CITY IS ONE WHERE THE BASIC ASSUMPTION IS THAT YOU CAN GET WHERE YOU NEED TO GO IN A 10 MINUTE
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WALK.AND WELL WHAT'S HAPPENED THROUGH THE MOTORIZATION IS THAT THERE'S NO MUSCULAR LIMIT TO HOW HIGH A BUILDING GOES.
AND THERE IS NO, THERE'S NO OUTER LIMIT TO HOW WIDE THE COMMUNITY GOES.
AND SO HE'S GOT THIS PICTURE OF A MATURE CITY, UM, BUT HERE HE HAS ONE THAT'S BEEN, I GUESS, UH, UH, GROWN GROTESQUELY THROUGH, THROUGH, YOU KNOW, VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL EXPANSION.
UM, AND, BUT THEN HE GIVES THE, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTER, UH, IDEA OF, UH, UH, UH, HEALTHY SORT OF GROWTH, WHICH IS BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLICATION OF CITY CENTERS.
AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S THIS OTHER IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, PULL THE SEX, GO BOTH HORIZONTALLY AND VERTICALLY, AND IT LEADS TO ALL THIS CONGESTION, BUT BASICALLY THE POINT IS, IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE BOOK, UM, HE'S, HE'S A REAL PROPONENT OF THE IDEA OF PUTTING THE PERSON AT THE CENTER.
AND WHAT, WHAT HE'S SHOWING HERE IS, YOU KNOW, HERE'S YOUR CITY CENTERS.
AND THIS AS GROWTH HAS HAPPENED IN THE CITY CENTERS HAVE, UM, MULTIPLIED, BUT HERE THERE'S A SEMI CENTER THAT JUST KEEPS THE UNHEALTHY VERSION OF THE CITY CENTER, WHERE THE SUBURBS JUST KEEP GROWING OUT OF IT IN AN UNHEALTHY WAY.
SO WHEN THE PRINCE OF ENGLAND WANTED TO CREATE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF HE HAD SOME LAND THAT HE WANTED TO DEVELOP TO DEVELOP, BUT HE WANTED TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT WAS THAT, UM, I GUESS WAS A MODEL OF SUSTAINABILITY THAT HE TURNED TO BEING ON CAREER, UM, TO, TO DO IT.
SO THAT'S IN WORKING WITH THE, UH, THE PRINCE OF WALES.
AND THIS IS POUNDBURY, THIS IS THE REALIZATION OF THAT, UM, EFFORT.
UM, IT'S NOW AN EXISTING TALENT AND, UH, ACTUALLY IT'S IN THE BACKGROUND THERE.
YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT TOO WELL, BUT IN THE BACKGROUND, THERE'S THIS SKETCH THAT INCLUDES, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL VISION OF WHAT'S NOW BECOME A, UH, AN EXISTING FOUND POUNDBURY.
SO WHY DO I BRING HIM UP? WELL, UM, IT, ONE OF MY OWN PERSONAL, UH, PROJECTS, UM, I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, I NEED TO DO THIS BUSINESS PROJECTS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DISCLOSURE THERE GOING ON.
I HAD BEEN, I WAS SAYING, WELL, I REALLY LIKED TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO SOMEBODY, UM, FROM HIS SCHOOL.
AND SO I TRIED TO FIND SOMEBODY FROM HIS SCHOOL, BUT ENDED UP GETTING IN CONTACT, DOING CONTACT WITH THIS, WITH LEON CREER HIMSELF.
AND HE'S ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN HE'S COMING TO THE UNITED STATES, UM, IN THE BEGINNING OF MAY.
AND HE'S INTERESTED IN ADDRESSING A TOWN COUNCIL ABOUT THIS CONCEPT, THE NEW URBANISM IN THE HOPES THAT IT COULD BE PART OF OUR THINKING DISCUSSION, UH, WITH REGARDS TO, UH, OUR COMP PLAN.
AND SO I JUST WAS GOING THROUGH ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO ACCEPT THE, UH, THE OFFER AND, AND, YOU KNOW, HELP THEM GET HERE.
THERE MAY BE SOME ADMINISTRATIVE AND, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY COSTS INVOLVED, ASK THE PROJECTED DEMAND $7 A GALLON BY JULY.
I THINK SOME WALKABILITY MIGHT BE GOOD.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANKS.
UM, ALL RIGHT, TOM COUNSEL, CONVENIENT GOING TO CLOSE MEETING FOR THE FOLLOWING ONE DISCUSSION CONSIDERATION, ASSIGNMENT APPOINTMENTS, MOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION SALARIES, THIS THE RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICER'S APPOINTEES OR APPROVAL OF ANY PUBLIC BODIES SPECIFIC TO THE TOWN MANAGER'S PERFORMANCE IN HIS ROLE AS INTERIM BUILDING CODE OFFICIAL TOWN ATTORNEY POSITION, BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, VACANCY AND ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE SAC VACANT VACANCY PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE TO DUCKS.
ONE OF THE DAKOTA, VIRGINIA TWO WITH RESPECT TO A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE LOCATED IN THE TOWN'S CORPORATE LIMITS, WHICH THE TOWN BURNISHES PUBLIC UTILITIES, A DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF THE INVESTMENT OF PUBLIC FUNDS, WHERE COMPETITION OR BARGAINING HAS EVOLVED, WHERE IT'S MADE PUBLIC.
INITIALLY THE FINANCIAL INTEREST OR THE GOVERNMENTAL UNIT WOULD BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED FOR STUDENT CODE SECTION TWO DOT 2, 3 7 11 6, AND JUST GO TO VIRGINIA AND BE DISCUSSION OF THE AWARD OF A PUBLIC CONTRACT INVOLVING THE EXPENDITURE OF PUBLIC FUNDS, INCLUDING AN ABUSE OF PRISONERS OR OFFERS AND DISCUSSION OF THE TERMS
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OR SCOPE OF SUCH CONTRACT, WHERE DISCUSSION IN AN OPEN SESSION WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE BARGAINING POSITION OR NEGOTIATIONS NEGOTIATING STRATEGY UP AND PUBLIC BODIES PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE TWO DOT TWO DASH 3 7 11 DOT EIGHT DOT 29 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.YEAH, THAT'S MY GILLESPIE COUNCILMAN LOYD.
COUNSELOR COUNSEL ON THE MORRIS.
I MOVED THAT COUNCIL CERTIFIED TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE IS RECOGNIZED BY EACH COUNCIL MEMBERS, AFFIRMATIVE THAT ONLY SAYS PUBLIC BUSINESS OWNERS LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED OR HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE CLOSED MEETING BY COUNCIL AND THAT THE VOTE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF COUNCIL BE TAKEN BY ROLL CALL AND RECORDED AND INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF TOWN COUNCIL.
YEAH, THE COUNCILMAN COUNCILMAN LOYD.