[Special Town Council Work Session on February 23, 2022.]
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UH, LIKE WHAT MIRABAI TELL ACCOUNTS WORK SESSION, FEBRUARY 23RD, 22 OF THE BIRTH.
WE HAVE A MEETING OR INTERVIEW OR LEARNING APPEALS.
COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS, LORD HERE.
DISCUSSION CONSIDERATION, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, SALARY PLANNING, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC BECAUSE WITH OFFICERS APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES THAT ARE ALREADY PUBLIC BODIES, SLIPPER AN INTERVIEW FOR THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, THEY COULD SEE PERSUADED TO, OR GAVE ME A CODE SECTION 2 22 DASH 37, 11 0.1 OF VIRGINIA.
I MOVE THAT COUNCIL CERTIFIED TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE AS RECOGNIZED BY EACH COUNCIL MEMBERS AFFIRMATIVE VOTE THAT ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS.
LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSING MEETING WAS CONVENED OR HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE CLOSED MEETING BY COUNCIL AND THAT THE VOTE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF COUNCIL BE TAKEN BY ROLL CALL AND RECORDED AND INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING.
A TOWN COUNCIL HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
I'M GOING TO JUMP RIGHT ON DOWN TO STRESS TO KNOW THE TOWNSVILLE DEPARTMENT.
WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE OLDER WE'LL GO INTO TOWNS.
THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WILL BE FALSE ABOUT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO TO DISCUSSION OF THE DRAFT MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT COUNSEL FOR THE FRONT WALL.
THEN WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS SOLUTIONS, WATER METER, WAIVER, LLC.
RIGHT? YOU WILL FIND, I PROVIDED YOU ALL SOME TALKING POINTS OF OUR DISCUSSIONS WHEN WE LEFT LAST MEETING YOU ALL, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH IT THAT LAST TIME YOU ALL PASS THAT SAT GOES BACK TO LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO GO ABOUT, UM, REVISITING YOUR BUILDING CODE DEPARTMENT.
SO I LIKE TO WALK THROUGH EACH BULLET, UH, AND, UH, GO PLUMMET.
OPTION ONE IS PRETTY MUCH NO CHANGE.
UH, IT WOULD BE, SELF-SUFFICIENT NO SUBSIDIZED FROM THE GENERAL FUND BULLET TWO IS IT'S BASED ON TERM, OR IF HE'S IN THIRD PARTY, THE TOWN MANAGER AS THE BUILDING CODE OFFICIAL, THE APPLICATION FEES PAID FOR THE PERMIT TECHNICIAN SALARY.
THE FYI TWENTY-TWO REVENUE NEEDED IS ON $1,400 A WEEK OVER THE REMAINING FISCAL YEAR.
THE FYI 23 PROJECTIONS IS $80,000.
THAT'S AVERAGE OF $1,500 A WEEK.
A YEAR TODAY, WE ALREADY COLLECTED $6,300.
UH, WE'VE HAD EIGHT COMMERCIAL BUILDING PERMITS THE TOTAL $3,800, 10 COMMERCIAL TRADE PERMITS A TOTAL OF 561 10 RESIDENTIAL BUILDING PERMIT THAT COST 1400 AND LESS 11 RESIDENTIAL TRAY PERMITTED THAT FOLLOWED IN $10.
UH, THE THIRD PARTY IS A PASS THROUGH WHERE THE APPLICANTS PAY.
UH, THE PLAN REVIEWS UP TO 140 HOURS TO 15 MINUTE INCREMENT AND INSPECTION RATE IS UP TO 125 HOUR, 15 MINUTE INCREMENTS.
AND THE COUNTY EROSION AND SEDIMENT
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THE, THIS $400 LESS THAN 10 IS 10,000 SQUARE FEET NOT REQUIRE EXAMPLE THE INFILL LOT.UH, THE LAST EXAMPLE WE HAD OF THE BRIAN OAKS CONSTRUCTION RELATIVE TO PLAN REVIEW AND MADE APPROVED, UH, THAT WAS $900.
SO YOU'LL SEE, IN THE, IN THE WORST CASE SCENARIO OF THE COST UP TO 3000 SQUARE FEET, THE PERMIT APPLICATION IS $459.
THAT'S IF IT'S UP TO, UH, THE PLAN REVIEW AND INSPECTION ESTIMATE $975 A ONE-STORY SQUARE, THE UP TO 6,000 SQUARE FEET, THE PLAN REVIEW AND INSPECTION WOULD BE $1,400.
THE PERMIT APPLICATION FEE WOULD BE $918 AND THEN A POOL OR A DETACHED GARAGE UP TO 400 SQUARE FEET IS ESTIMATED A HUNDRED, $800 FOR INSPECTION.
AND THE, UH, APPLICATION FEE IS $61 AND 20 CENTS.
PLEASE KNOW THE COLUMN ON THE FAR RIGHT PERMIT APPLICATION SEAT IS THE REVENUE WE GET TO PAY FOR SALARIES.
THE FIRST COLUMN IS THE COLUMN THAT THE APPLICANT PAYS THERE.
YOU SEE THE BUDGET, A BUDGET, TOTAL PERSONNEL PER INCH.
BENEFITS IS $72,907 PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
THE PASS THROUGH THAT'S WHERE THE INSPECTOR, UM, IS, IS BEING DOING THE WORK.
ALL RIGHT, SO MOVING FORWARD ARE SOME OPTIONS.
OPTION TWO IS THE PERMIT TECHNICIAN AND HIRE A COMBO PLAN REVIEWER.
AND THIS WON'T BE, THIS IS NOT SELF-SUFFICIENT UNDER THIS OPTION.
UH, IT WOULD STILL, IT WILL NEED TO BE SUBSIDIZED BY THE GENERAL PHONES, THE TOWN MANAGER, AS A BUILDING OFFICIAL, IT WOULD BE BASED ON CURRENT PERMIT FEES AND THIRD PARTY.
UH, IT WOULD BE APPLICATION FEES PAID FOR PERMIT TECHNICIAN, A COMMON PLAN REVIEW INSPECTOR.
SO IT, THE REVENUE NEEDED WOULD BE $3,100 A WEEK.
THE THIRD BULLET WOULD BE BASED ON PERMIT FEE, NOT THIRD PARTY, IF WE WILL BE HIRING A COMBO OF CROSS OUT.
HOWEVER, WITH THAT SAID, IF WE WENT THAT ROUTE, THE TOTAL SALARY AND FRINGE BENEFITS FOR THE PERMIT TECHNICIAN AND THE COMBO PLAN, REVIEWER INSPECTOR, $165,000, WE WOULD NEED $3,100 A WEEK.
AND THAT EVEN IF, UM, THAT DOESN'T ALLOW US TO BREAK EVEN.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, FYI, 23 REVENUES, WE PROJECT $80,000 BASED ON WHERE WE ARE, WE'RE HEADING INTO PEAK SEASON.
UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO OFFSET OR SUBSIDIZE THAT ARE SUPPLEMENTED WITH $85,000 ELDER GENERAL CORNER.
WE'D HAD TO FIND $85,000 FOR UP BY 23 REVENUES.
UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE THAT $45,000 THAT WE EXPECT $150,000 REVENUE, AND WE'D HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE IT WITH $15,000.
AND THEN FYI TWENTY SIX, A HUNDRED SIXTY 5,000.
AT THAT POINT, WE WOULD BE BREAKING EITHER.
SO A LOT OF PEOPLE MAY SAY, WELL, HOW ARE WE PROJECTING THESE REVENUES? UM, CURRENTLY WE HAVE PROPOSALS.
WE HAVE PROFFERS ON THE TABLE AND WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS GOING TO BE OCCURRING HERE REAL SOON, SOME EXTENT WE HAVE, UM, THE BELL SOURCE COMING IN AND WE ANTICIPATE, UH, AS PLANNED, WE ANTICIPATE PRODUCT 400 HOMES.
UM, CURRENTLY WITH THE RECENT SELL SOME PROPERTY 100 TO THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE SOME TOWNHOME PROPOSALS.
WE HAVE DUPLEX PROPOSALS WE HAVE, AND ALSO THERE'S STILL AVAILABLE PRODUCTS AVAILABLE.
ALL RIGHT, OPTION THREE IS INCREASES THE, UH, THE AMOUNT, BUT IT STILL WON'T BE A SELF-SUFFICIENT OPTION.
THREE IS THE PERMIT TECHNICIAN, AND WE HIRE A BUILDING CO COMBO PLAN REVIEW, OR INSPECTOR STILL NOT SELF-SUFFICIENT.
UM, THE TOWN MANAGER NOT BUILDING CODE OFFICIAL.
UH, IT WILL BE STILL BASED ON THE CURRENT PERMIT PIECE.
THAT'S THIRD IS, UH, APPLICATION FEE PAID FOR PERMIT, TEXT TECHNICIAN, SALARY, AND BUILDING CODE OFFICIAL AS A COMBO PLAN REVIEW AND INSPECTIONS, $185,000 FOR THE TWO POSITIONS.
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NEEDED IS $3,500 A WEEK.THAT IS THE SAME KIND OF METHODOLOGY OF OPTION.
UH, REVENUES IS EXPECTING TO BE 80,000 THIS YEAR TO HAVE THAT THOSE TWO POSITIONS, WE WOULD NEED TO OFFSET WITH $105,000 24, WE WOULD NEED TO OFFSET IT WITH $65,000 25.
WE WOULD NEED TO OFFSET IT AT $35,000 AND 26, $20,000 THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, THE PEAK DEVELOPMENT PERIOD THAT WE'RE PROJECTING, THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
IT'S GOING TO BE BETWEEN 24 AND 26 BASED ON SOME OF THE PROPOSALS.
AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE AGAIN, COMMERCIAL TOWN HOMES.
AND, UM, DUPLEX, I ASKED YOU A QUESTION.
SO, UH, COUNSELING ALWAYS BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF TIMES, LIKE STICKING FUTURE COUNCILS WITH BURDENED AND FUTURE CITIZENS OCCURRED.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT PEAK, AFTER THAT 24 TO 26 F Y PEAKS, THOSE HOUSES ARE BUILT AND WE GO BACK INTO, I WAS ACTUALLY LOOKING AT YOUR SECOND OPTION HERE.
DO WE GO BACK INTO $85,000 OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND TO SUBSIDIZE? I MEAN, IS IT ROLL BACK DOWN? IS IT PYRAMID? I MEAN, YOU GET TO ZERO FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND THEN IT'S 1545 AND AS IT ADDS, AND THEN WE GET DOWN TO 85 K AND WE'RE JUST, WE'RE STICKING WELL, I MEAN, YOU CAN WAIT 10 YEARS WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, HOW SUSTAINABLE THE DEVELOPMENT WILL HAPPEN, UH, WILL ALSO DEPEND ON THE MARKET.
OBVIOUSLY WE STILL HAVE A LARGE TRACK OF LAND IN THE TOWN THAT WE'RE NEGOTIATING.
THAT WOULD BE MORE OF LIKE A EIGHT, EIGHT TO 10 YEAR DEVELOPMENT TO, UM, BUT WITH THAT SAID, IT'S JUST LIKE A RECESSION THERE, THERE WERE SOME TOUGH DECISIONS, SOME LOCALITIES THEY HAD TO DO, AND THAT WAS LAY OFFS OR, OR TRY TO, THEY, THEY WOULDN'T FILL VACANT POSITIONS, UTILIZE THE INDIVIDUALS TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
SO, UM, BUT WHAT WE DO KNOW BASED ON WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH WITH DEVELOPERS TOO, WHERE THERE'S A LOT GOING ON WITH THAT.
SO HOW DO WE GET TO THE END? SELF-SUFFICIENT, THAT'S THE QUESTION, OPTION FOUR, WE WOULD HAVE A PERMIT TECHNICIAN AND A COMBO PLAN REVIEWER, AN INSPECTOR TO BE, MAKE IT SELF-SUFFICIENT TO STILL, UH, REQUIRE ANY, UH, SUBSIDIZING FUNDS FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
THE TOWN MANAGER WOULD STILL NEED TO BE BUILDING CODE OFFICIAL UNTIL WE MAKE A TRANSITION AND TRAINING STAFF.
UH, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT LATER.
A RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PERMIT APPLICATION FEES INCREASE.
UH, THE EXAMPLE BELOW WE'LL GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILS, BUT FOR THIS ONE, A ONE-STORY SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THOSE 3000 SQUARE FEET, THAT PACKAGE TO INCLUDE PERMIT PLAN REVIEW INSPECTIONS WOULD BE $900.
THAT WOULD BE A TURNKEY, A ONE STORY SQUARE FOOT UP TO 6,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE ESTIMATE PACKAGE FIELD WILL BE $1,100 POLES AND DETACHED GARAGES UP TO 400 SQUARE FEET WOULD ROUGHLY BE ABOUT $200.
UM, SO WITH THAT, UH, FYI 23 REVENUES, A HUNDRED SIXTY FIVE, TWENTY FOUR, ONE SEVENTY THREE, UH, FYI TWENTY FIVE, A HUNDRED EIGHTY TWO, AN F BY 26, $190,000.
YOU CAN SEE THE INCREASE IS DRASTICALLY BECAUSE THE RATES ARE, UH, INCREASED COMPARED TO, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THIS IS SELF-SUFFICIENT.
I THINK THE KEY THING IS INSTEAD OF 4 58 OR, OR A, UH, 1, 4 59 OR ONE STORY, 3000 SQUARE FEET, OUR RATES WOULD HAVE TO BE $900 IF WE WANT TO MAKE IT SELF-SUFFICIENT.
SO IT'S, IT'S ALMOST DOUBLING THE RATE, BUT THEN CITIZENS WOULDN'T SUBSIDIZE.
WELL, I'M CONFUSED ON HOW IT'S DOUBLING IT BECAUSE ON PAGE ONE, IT SAID PLAN REVIEW AND INSPECTIONS ESTIMATED AT 9 75 PERMIT APPLICATIONS ESTIMATED AT 4 59.
THIS SAYS IT'S A PACKAGE WITH THE PERMIT PLAN REVIEW AND INSPECTION ALL INCLUDED.
SO YEAH, IT WOULD INCLUDE RIGHT NOW THE PROCESS IS THE THIRD-PARTY INSPECTIONS 9 75.
SO LET'S SAY JUST RENT IT ALL TO THE THOUSANDS OF PERMIT APPLICATION FOR GROUNDED ALL 500, IT COSTS $1,400 FOR FOUR, TWO STORY SQUARE FOOT UP TO 3000.
IF WE WENT WITH OPTION THAT'S CURRENT, WE WENT WITH OPTION FOUR.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS RIGHT NOW, THE COUNTY'S PERMIT PACKAGE DEAL THE BUILDERS WHEN THEY PAY 4 59, THAT INCLUDES THE PLANNED REVIEW AND EXPECTS FROM THE COUNTY.
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OPTION FIVE IS PERMIT AND IGNITION BUILDING CODE COMBO PLAN REVIEWER.AND, UH, AND THIS OPTION, UH, WE WOULD, UH, YOU WOULD SEE AGAIN, IF WE WANT TO GO THIS ROUTE AND INCREASE IT, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, A BUILDING CODE OFFICIAL $185,000, SAME SCENARIOS, OTHER ONES.
THE DIFFERENCE IS, UM, WE'D HAVE TO INCREASE ALL PERMIT FEES THAT, UH, 35%.
SO A DECK THAT WOULD BE IN $45, THAT WOULD CALL $60 FOR A PERMIT FEE.
UM, THE REVENUE NEEDED WOULD BE $3,500 A WEEK.
AND SO YOU SEE THE PROJECTED REVENUE WE WOULD NEED, AND IT GOES, 1 94, 1 25, 203.
AND THAT BY 26 TO 15, IT'S LIKE TRIPLE THE COUNTY.
YES, IT WOULD TRIPLE THE COUNTY.
BUT IT WOULD BE SELF-SUFFICIENT AND IT WOULD BE NO TAXPAYERS DOLLARS.
SO THE ONE STORY UP TO 3000 SQUARE FEET WOULD BE $1,100.
THE ONE STORY UP TO 6,000 SQUARE FEET WILL BE $1,300 AND THE POOL DETACHED GARAGE.
SO THOSE ARE THE KEY TOP FIVE OPTIONS.
HOWEVER, UM, IF THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION, UH, GEORGE MENTIONED, WELL, CAN THE COUNTY, UH, UH, WELL, RYAN, UH, MENTIONED TO ME RYAN OAKES, WHAT CAN THE COUNTY DO? THE THIRD, THIRD PARTY BUILDING DISPATCH? AND IN OTHER WORDS, IS THAT AN OPTION? UH, THE RESPONSES, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO COORDINATE THAT, UH, WITH THE MOA, WITH THE COUNTY, FOR ENS AND, AND THIRD-PARTY INSPECTION.
THE THIRD-PARTY INSPECTION THOUGH.
IF THEY HAVE A QUALIFIED SPECTRUM THAT THEY WANTS TO GO WITH AND SAID, ECS, THEY CAN DO THAT.
THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT GEORGE ASKED THE OTHER NIGHT, OPTION SEVEN IS CURRENTLY, UH, RYAN ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT DNS INSPECTION.
CAN WE GO INTO A MOA WHERE THE COUNTY PERFORMS THE, UH, THE ENS INSPECTIONS OR THE TOWN, INSTEAD OF RIGHT NOW SET UP, WE COULD DO THAT TOO.
ALL THOSE REVENUES ARE THE SAME.
SO THAT STEVEN WITH OPTION SIX, UH, THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THEY WOULD HAVE FEES FROM THE TOWN.
WELL, NOT FOR INSPECTION FEES, THEY WOULD PAY THE THIRD PARTY PERSON DIRECT THE COUNTY.
WELL, IF THE COUNTY, THIS IS A TOWN, THIS IS, THIS IS BUILDERS CAN PICK UP THEIR THIRD PARTY BUILDING INSPECTION.
UNDER THE CURRENT MODEL, WE ISSUE THE PERMIT.
WE DO THE PLAN REVIEW, AND THEN THEY, THEY STILL CAN GO AND GET ANOTHER INSPECTOR.
HE SAYS, CURRENTLY PEOPLE ARE USING DCFS AS AN INSPECTION.
SO THEY WOULD STILL HAVE IN BOTH OPTION SIX AND OPTION SEVEN, THEY WOULD HAVE ADDITIONAL FEE.
SO WHEN STAFF, WHEN WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON THIS, UH, THE BABY STEP APPROACH, WE DO RECOMMEND LOOKING AT GRADING OR ADDING ADDITIONAL POSITIONS, UH, MAINLY ONE POSITION, A COMBO PLAN, REVIEWER INSPECTOR, UH, THE TOWN MANAGERS STILL WOULD BE THE BUILDING CODE OFFICIAL UNTIL WE START GETTING THE REVENUES NEEDED.
UH, I AM ALSO A SCOTSMAN WITH STAFF MEMBERS AND A STAFF MEMBER WHERE, WHERE THAT INDIVIDUAL MAY BE THE DEPUTY OR THE ASSISTANT BUILDING CODE OFFICIAL BASED ON HIS QUALIFICATION, SIMILAR TO WHAT THE COUNTY HAS.
AND THEN ALSO WE DO HAVE, UH, UH, STAFF AND POTENTIALLY WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER PERSON THAT CAN DO THE CERTIFIED TO DO THE INSPECTION.
SO THAT'S OPTION FOUR, OPTION FIVE IS THE SAME SHOULD COUNT COUNCIL.
WHEN WE GET UP AND GET GOING, I'LL GO AHEAD AND HIRE A PERMIT TECHNICIAN, SALARY, AND A BUILDING CODE OFFICIAL, UH, COMBO.
KEEP IN MIND ANY OF THIS WORK CAN BE SUBSIDIZED BY THE THIRD PARTY INSPECTOR.
SHOULD WE GET OVERWHELMED? AND THEN THAT, THAT THIRD PARTY INSPECTOR OR PLAN REVIEWER WOULD BE ON THE, ON THE TOWN'S DOWN.
SHOULD WE JUST HAVE A LOOK OVER THAT? BUT WE THINK THE REVENUES PROBABLY.
SO OPTION FOUR IS WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING SHOULD HAVE COUNSELED ONE.
UM, IN TERMS OF, I KNEW ONE OF THE KEY POINTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHILE WE WERE ASSESSING ALL OF THIS, OF COURSE IT HAS HERE WAS THAT THIS WOULD SPEED THINGS UP AND MAKE THIS PROCESS MORE EFFICIENT.
SO I LIKED HEARING THAT, THAT WE'D HAVE THAT OPTION TO BRING ON A THIRD PARTY, BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT ARE OUR METRICS AND OUR TIMELINES FOR EACH OF THESE
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IN TERMS OF, IS IT ALL PRETTY MUCH EACH OPTION WOULD BE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME, OR IS THERE, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES, YOU MEAN THE PERFORMANCE MEASURES, OUR GOAL WOULD STILL BE SEVEN TO 14 DAYS.THAT'S AN OPTION FOR DOING NOW.
ONE'S THE ONE WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING.
I'M JUST GOING TO THROW IT OUT THERE.
I'M NEVER GOING TO BE IN FAVOR OF ANY, UH, THE SUBSIDIZED, UH, PLANS THAT WE HAVE TO GET INTO THE BUSINESS OF SUBSIDIZING PROGRAMS, UM, ARE, HAVE AN OPTION AT OUR NEXT LIAISON MEETINGS TO PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA.
I'D LIKE TO PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA.
LET'S DO WHAT THEY'RE THINKING IS SUBSIDIZING IT.
HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO THE COUNTY ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER OPTIONS WHERE IT SAYS LIKE THAT THE BUILDERS COULD AFFECT THEIR THIRD PARTY? NO.
I SAID, WE'D HAVE TO GIVE HIM DISCUSS THAT'S AN OPTION HE SAID, OR WHO DISCUSSED WITH THE COUNTY.
IF THEY'D BE OPEN MR. MAYOR, I WAS, YOU KNOW, THIS MIGHT SEEM WEIRD TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
WOULD IT BE AN IDEA JUST THROWING THINGS OUT THERE WOULD BE AN IDEA FOR THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, CAN ME START BY SAYING I DON'T PAY THIS IS MR. BANEY MAD.
I DON'T THINK IT'S HIS PROBLEM.
WHAT I THINK THE PROBLEM IS, IS STAFFING FOR THEM.
YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WHERE A LOT OF THE ISSUES HAVE COME THROUGH 30 DAYS, UM, WITH AN EMO, YOU, AND I KNOW THAT'S OUR THING TO DO TOO, BUT, UH, UM, WHAT IF, WHAT IF IT MAKE BETTER SENSE? JUST THE TOWN HIRED SOMEBODY FOR THEM FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING.
UH, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY CAN, THEY CAN LEAVE POUNCED UP.
WHEN MR. B NEEDS THEM FOR SOMETHING ELSE, AND THERE'S NOT SOMETHING GOING ON, YOU KNOW, HE CAN READ, WE'LL ASK HIM HOW HE SEES FIT.
THAT'S WHAT I HONESTLY THINK THAT THE ISSUE IS, IS, IS FUNDING FROM THE COUNTY SIDE.
UM, BECAUSE MR. B NEEDS SOME HELP OVER THERE.
I DON'T KNOW ALL THOSE BACKSTORIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE AN AREA THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE KNOW, EXPAND THREE, FOUR, OR HAVE A LOOK AT, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOING TO WORK, BUT SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE ME AND, UH, SOMEBODY ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE WORK, BUT I'VE NEVER REALLY, YOU KNOW, WENT TO MR. DALEY AND ASKED HIM IF THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO ARE YOU, ARE YOU JUST MAKE SURE IN CASE COUNSEL GIVES ME GUIDANCE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS? ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE TOWN CONSIDER SHARING OR FUNDING A POSITION TAXPAYER DOLLARS OR THROUGH THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW? I MEAN, IT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.
NO, I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST ASKING.
SO THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S CONTRACTORS OR BUILDER OR NO TAX PAYER MONEY.
WELL, IT WOULD BE AT THE COUNTY, DID IT BECAUSE THEIR PACKAGE FEE RIGHT NOW, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M JUST THE PACKAGE FEE DOES NOT COVER THE CURRENT.
I THINK THAT I HAD, I HAD, UH, HAS THE SAME THOUGHT ABOUT FINDING A POSITION IN THE COUNTY OFFICE.
ONE THAT I GUESS IS CAPABLE OF DOING THE MOST OR ALL THE, UM, RESPONSIBILITIES AND PULLED INTO ACCOUNTING RESPONSIBILITIES.
UM, BUT I THINK PART OF THE AGREEMENT HAS TO BE A DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNTY OUT THERE'S SUBSIDIZATION OF THE OFFICE NOTES.
IT JUST MAKES THE MAP TO CONSIDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER IN THAT WAY.
THEY'VE GOT TO CONSIDER POINT OUT OF THE GENERAL, PUTTING IT ALL INTO THE PIECE.
WHAT ABOUT, UM, AN ENTIRE, I KNOW THE MOA IS DISCUSSED FOR CERTAIN SMALL PIECES.
WHAT ABOUT MOA, WHERE WE RESTRUCTURE THE ENTIRE, LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST BRING IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE GROUND AND START ALL OVER IT, WHERE IT'S A COMBINED KIND OF LIKE, WE'VE TALKED
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ABOUT A LITTLE BIT WITH THE TOURISM STUFF THAT DO THAT WELL, SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SAY.WE'VE BEEN WORKING FOR MY ENTIRE, SINCE MIND SECTION ON COUNSELORS, GET AN MOA FOR TOURISM PAST.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT TIME, THAT KIND OF TIME FOR THE, I MEAN, TOURISM IS ONE THING, BUT I MEAN, THIS IS LIVELIHOOD.
UM, SO I DON'T REALLY SEE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TIME TO KICK THE CAN BACK AND FORTH FOR SIX TO 12 MONTHS, TWO YEARS FOR AN MOA.
I'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS SINCE LAST WEEK'S MEETING.
I THINK THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE WITHIN THE COUNTY AND I THINK IT CAN BE ADDRESSED AND I'D BE WILLING TO WORK WITH THEM TO ADDRESS IT.
BUT MY ONLY OTHER CONCERN IS IN ALL OF THESE OPTIONS.
I THINK THERE'S EIGHT BASED ON THE PERMIT NUMBERS THAT WE WERE PROVIDED LAST WEEK AND THE BREAKDOWN OF HOW MANY OF THOSE WERE IN THE TOWN AND HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE RESIDENTIAL AND HOW MANY OF THESE WERE COMMERCIAL? I DON'T SEE WHAT THE SELF-SUFFICIENT OR NOT.
SELF-SUFFICIENT HOW WE WOULD EVER HAVE ENOUGH PERMIT TO BREAK.
EVEN IT'S BROKEN DOWN BY HOW MUCH REVENUE WE'D NEED WEEKLY.
AND WE MIGHT BE ON, ON TRAJECTORY FOR THAT FROM JANUARY TO FEBRUARY.
BUT WE'RE ALSO IN A VERY INTERESTING AND UNIQUE HOUSING MARKET.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE SUSTAINABLE ON THE IT'S PROJECTED, BUT WE CAN'T USE, WE CAN'T USE JANUARY 20, 22 TO FEBRUARY, 2022 PROJECTIONS THAT ARE ACCURATE.
AND SO I'M ALSO NOT COMFORTABLE IN HIRING AND MAKING POSITIONS THAT FUTURE COUNSELORS HAVE TO FIRE BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T SUSTAINABLE.
AND WE KNEW THAT TONIGHT, WHEN WE WENT INTO IT, YOU MENTIONED PROFFERS, YOU MENTIONED SOME OF THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT MAY BE COMING, ET CETERA, IN THOSE AREAS AND DEALS, WHATEVER YOU'RE COMFORTABLE SHARING, THAT'S SOMEWHAT PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, OR IT WILL SAY ENOUGH.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL REQUESTS WHERE OFFICE WE'RE REZONING.
SO I KNOW THAT I'M IN CONTACT WITH DUDES OVER AT ENGINEERING FIRMS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE IN THE DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS, PRETTY CLOSE TO HAVING SOME RESERVES PACKAGES TO BE SUBMITTED.
NONE OF IT TO GUARANTEE OUT HERE.
UM, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT POTENTIAL FOR DO UNDER 50 TO AFFORD MAYBE 400 HOMES TOTAL IN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE YEARS.
SO WHEN I WAS ON PLANNING COMMISSION, HE HAD, UM, THE ANNEX PROPERTY, RIGHT.
UM, WITH THAT PROJECT OUT THERE AND IT JUST NEVER CAME.
AND SO IF WE, IF THAT COUNCIL BACK THEN HAD KIND OF BANKED ON THOSE HOUSES COMING, THEY'RE STILL NOT HERE RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT? I MEAN, MY DAD WORKED FOR RICHMOND AMERICAN HOMES, MY ENTIRE CHILDHOOD GROWING UP, THERE WAS A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT THEY PLANNED TO DO AND THEY DIDN'T DO.
AND THEN THEY LAID OFF 400 PEOPLE IN THE MARKET CRASH.
AND I'LL JUST TELL YOU POLITICALLY SPEAKING, WHAT'S GOING ON IN UKRAINE AND RUSSIA AND BEING A MORTGAGE LENDER FROM MONDAY TO TODAY, THE MARKET HAS DRASTICALLY CHANGED STOCKS AND BONDS ARE RALLYING.
I MEAN, YOU JUST, YOU JUST, THERE'S NO CERTAINTY.
I MEAN, AND I'M SORRY, BUT THOSE BIG BUILDERS THAT MIGHT COME HERE FRONT ROW IS GONNA BE THE FIRST CAN THEY KICK OFF THEIR LISTS WHEN STUFF GETS WORSE.
AND I ASK A QUESTION, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT.
SO THE OPTION, IF THERE WOULD BE AN OPTION WHERE WE WOULD, UM, SOMEBODY THAT WE WOULD STOP AND WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT WOULD THAT THE COUNTY BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE, SO THE TAXPAYERS IN FRONT ROYAL WOULD, WOULD, WOULD COVER THAT SALARY BENEFIT AND ALL THAT STUFF, RIGHT? OR, WELL, IT, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO COUNCILMAN WEBSITE, IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHO'S THE ONE WHO'S ISSUING THE PERMIT AND, AND DOING THE CEO.
SO IF IT'S COUNTY DOING IT BASED ON THEIR, THEIR FEES, UM, SHOULD WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS? I'M SURE.
THE COUNTY, IF WE WERE TO HIRE, TO HELP OUT OR DO AN EMO A, WOULD WANT US TO FUND THAT POSITION, THE QUESTION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNTY'S PERMIT FEES WOULD COVER THAT PERSON'S SALARY OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO REVISIT THEIR SET THERAPY.
I THINK THE LAST TIME THEIR FEES HAVE BEEN REVISITED WAS 2012.
ACCORDING TO WHAT THAT'S ALL 20 12 90, 2000, NOT TWO.
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WHEN I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS SO LIKE, IF, IF THROUGH THE MOA THEY'D SAY THAT WE WOULD NEED TO FUND IT, RIGHT? SO THE TOWN TIRE STAIRS WOULD BE CHAT, BUT THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY ALSO ALL FUNDING COUNTY BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO CORRECT.I THINK THE LAST BUDGET THAT WE WERE MOST BUDGET US ALL WOULD BE LIKE $680,000.
THEY WOULD PROBABLY NEED ANOTHER 60,000, WHICH WOULD BRING IT UP TO THE SEVEN 50, ROUGHLY THAT PERCENTAGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF 20% OF IT, THE FEES WOULD COVER OR 30% AND WE WOULD ONLY HAVE TO PAY MAYBE 60% I'D HAVE TO WORK WITH ED.
I WAS JUST ASKING, BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT FROM A TOWN TAX PAYER, THAT WHAT WOULD BE THE BENEFIT TO THEM, WHAT WOULD BE THE BENEFIT TO THEM TO FUND HIS POSITION? UM, WELL, THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING, AMBER.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET THERE IN A NICER WAY THAT RIGHT.
UM, BUT YEAH, I, I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT FROM A TOWN FROM THE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE OFTEN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE, WE OFTEN GET A GOOD, BECAUSE THAT'S WHO WE'RE REPRESENTING.
LIKE, HOW WILL THAT BENEFIT THEM NOW, IF IT MEANS THAT THEY'RE SPENDING THE MAJORITY OF THEIR TIME WORKING ON, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS AND THINGS FOR THE TOWN, THEN YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY THAT THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF THAT.
AND I WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT, THE BIG PICTURE OF ALL THAT IS BEING SOMEONE THAT LIVES IN THE TOWN, YOU PAYING TWICE FOR THIS, WHEN WE DO THAT.
AND WHEN WE ARE OPEN TO BUSINESS AND WE'RE BUSINESS FRIENDLY, WE BRING IN BUSINESS AND WE BRING IN NEW HOUSING AND WE MAKE THE REAL ESTATE TAX INCOME OFF OF THAT.
IT DRIVES DOWN OTHER COSTS AND GIVES MONEY IN OUR BUDGET THAT WAY.
UM, I MEAN, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE SOLVE MOST OF YOUR PROBLEMS WITH THE COUNTY TO JUST HIRE A COUPLE MORE PEOPLE, BUT WE HAVEN'T TALKED TO THE COUNTY IS MY UNDERSTANDING, AND WE CAN'T FORCE THE COUNTIES HANDED, INCREASING THEIR PERMIT FEES AND HIRING MORE PEOPLE.
I MEAN, THIS, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO BRAINSTORM.
I THINK WHEN THE COUNTY JUST NEEDS HELP AND IT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER AND A LOT MORE STREAMLINED, BUT I ALSO FEEL LIKE FROM THE COUNTY'S POINT OF VIEW, LIKE Y'ALL DID THIS AND TOOK THIS ON, LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE TO BAIL YOU OUT AND MAKE PROMISES, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD CALL IT BAILING US OUT THOUGH.
WE'RE ABOUT TO LOSE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PULL PERMITS WITH US.
THEY'RE GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WE COULD ASK THAT THIS GENTLEMAN GET CERTIFIED IN YOUR PROPERTY NAME IS ASPECT THAT COMES MORE MONEY.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? BUT, YOU KNOW, HE, HE COULD POSSIBLY TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF THESE PROBLEMS HERE IN TOWN WHERE THE BUILDING MAINTENANCE OR, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT IT WAS TO UNDERSTAND WE HAD SOMEBODY ON STAFF THAT HAD THE ABILITY TO DO THAT, OR WE DO.
THEY JUST NEED TO GET CERTIFIED.
SO THAT, WASN'T A REAL CONCERN FOR US.
IT'S ON THE, UH, THE INFLUX OF PERMITS.
IS THERE LIKE, UM, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW THE INDUSTRY VERY WELL.
IS THERE LIKE A PERMIT GOING TO BE SEASONAL TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, POSITION THAT THERE'S A KIND OF A WEAVING IN AND OUT OF CITIES? I MEAN, THIS AGAIN, NOT LIKE YOU'RE ON NOW, AND THEN WE LEAVE, WE LET YOU GO.
IT WOULD BE LIKE YOU YOU'RE WORKING ON THIS FOR THIS AMOUNT OF TIME IS WHEN THE MAJORITY OF OUR PARENTS COME IN AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO WORK ON IN THIS PART OF THE YEAR.
I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WOULD TALK.
WE WOULD EITHER HAVE THE COUNTY HERE WITH US TONIGHT, OR I'VE HAD AN ANSWER FROM THEM BEFORE WE RECONVENED, WHICH WAS MY CONCERN IN MY EMAIL.
WE'RE BEING A LITTLE REDUNDANT NOW.
THEY WANTED TO, THEY W I MEAN, JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW, WE DID REACH OUT TO THEM AND THERE WERE NOT EVERYONE COULD MAKE IT.
AND THEY JUST FELT LIKE THAT IT WANTED TO, THEY WANTED IT TO BE EVERYONE, NOT JUST A COUPLE OF PEOPLE COME IN AND STUFF, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHEN'S THE NEXT LIAISON AT OUR TURNOVER.
WE WERE ASKING A COUPLE TO GO OVER THERE.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, I THINK STEVEN NEEDS TO DISCUSS SOME THINGS,
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DISCUSS SOME THINGS AND LET HIM GO ON SOME STUFF.MAYBE WE CAN ALL GET TOGETHER.
JUST IN A COUPLE OF DISCUSSIONS I'VE HAD WITH, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS BEEN RECEPTIVITY TO THE IDEA THAT CHANGE AT THE PERMITTING OFFICE AND THEIR, THEIR, THEIR, UH, COMMUNICATIONS TO ME WERE MORE ALONG THE LINES OF LIKE, THEY SAW IT AS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY.
LIKE YOU DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T VENTILATE FULLY ENOUGH WITH THEM BEFORE WE TOOK THE STEPS THAT WE DID.
AND THERE MAY HAVE BEEN, UM, OPPORTUNITIES TO WORK TOGETHER THAT WE MISSED.
SO I JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE TO SAY THAT PERHAPS THERE WOULD BE RECEPTIVITY TO JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF EXPANSION AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, AND WE CAN BE THERE SUPPORTING IN WHETHER IT'S MORAL SUPPORT OR WHATEVER ELSE.
UM, WELL, THE WAY I DON'T WANT TO BE A DEBBIE DOWNER ON THIS, WE SPENT A LONG TIME TRYING TO WORK IN TOURS AND THINGS AGAIN, A LONG TIME TRYING TO GET A SIT DOWN TO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE DISCUSSIONS ON THAT.
WE'RE JUST ADDING ANOTHER THING TO THE TABLE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY AND REALLY HASHING THINGS OUT.
BECAUSE AGAIN, WE HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS HERE, THEY HAVE THEIR DISCUSSIONS JUST AS IN THE NIGHT.
SO I DON'T KNOW, WE HAD WORK SESSIONS PRIOR TO PUBLIC HEARING ON GREATEST DEPARTMENT.
SO I THINK MORAL SUPPORT, ALL THAT SOUNDS GREAT.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO SUFFICE BECAUSE FROM WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING, I'VE HAD SEVERAL LENGTHY MEETINGS FROM LAST WEEK'S MEETING TO TONIGHT WITH COMMERCIAL BUILDING OWNERS, PROPERTY MANAGERS IN TOWN.
AND, UM, WHILE THEY HAD NIGHTMARE AND DISASTROUS THINGS HAPPEN IN THEIR PERMITTING AN APPLICATION, THEY ALSO DIDN'T SEE THE NEED FOR THE TOWNS.
BUT, UM, I THINK THAT MORAL SUPPORTS ARE GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TOWN'S PRIORITIZED AS WELL.
SO I SAID THAT A BIT TONGUE IN CHEEK, I MEAN, WHATEVER FROM THE TOWN, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'D BE WILLING TO DISCUSS, WELL, WHAT WHAT'S MISSING FROM THIS, FROM THIS EQUATION.
BUT WE TRIED TO, WE TRIED TO FIX A PROBLEM THAT WE PERCEIVED HAPPENING.
AND IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BEST INTENTIONS, WE'VE ACTUALLY CREATED A BUNCH OF NEW PROBLEMS. AND I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE THAT.
WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY IS THAT THEY PREFER WHAT EXISTED BEFORE TO BACK.
NOW, I'D RATHER DEFAULT TO THAT AND THEN FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S A, THERE WAS A THIRD WAY FORWARD RATHER THAN KEEP THE STRUCTURE IN PLACE, UH, TO THE DETRIMENT OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE, WHO HAVE PENDING.
THAT WAS MY CONCERN I WANTED TO RECONVENE PRETTY QUICKLY AFTER LAST WEEK'S MEETING IS BECAUSE PEOPLE THAT ARE WAITING TO DEVELOP OR ARE WAITING TO APPLY.
I MEAN, FIRSTLY, I MEAN ACTUALLY WITH THE MARKET CHANGED PROBABLY WITH ALL THAT HAD NO IDEA HOW THIS WOULD HAPPEN OR IF IT'S EVEN POSSIBLE, I'D BE FINE WITH ALL THAT KICKING BACK TO THE, THE COUNTY.
UM, AND IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO PRIORITIZE IT, SO THEY'RE NOT STARTING AT ZERO AGAIN, UM, TIMELINE WISE, I'D BE FINE.
BUT, UM, I REALLY DON'T KNOW IF I'M SAYING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE, THAT'S IT? THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD POINT.
IS THAT POSSIBLE? I THINK I CAN GET UP WITH THAT.
AND I COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, FOR SOME REASON THINGS HAPPEN FOR READING, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT THOUGHT THROUGH OR IT WAS THOUGHT THROUGH.
AND I THINK WHAT THIS HAS DONE IS IT'S HIGHLIGHTED THAT, THAT, THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS TO GO BACK TO THE COUNTY, BUT THERE MAY BE SOME EXPECTATIONS ON CERTAIN PERFORMANCE MEASURES AND OPPORTUNITY FOR THE HOME BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS AND ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS TO REALLY GET IN A ROOM AND EXPLAIN WHAT'S THE GOOD, BAD AND UGLY JUST TO TRY TO RESOLVE IT.
THE AREA Y'ALL ARE GOING OR CONSIDERING BECAUSE THERE ARE PERMITS IN THE QUEUE.
I THINK WHAT WOULD BE FAIR IS FOR ME TO GET UP WITH ED TO SEE IF WE COULD HAVE THEM TAKE IT OVER FOR NOW, THOSE WHO HAVE PAID FEES THOUGH.
I THINK THE TOWN PROBABLY SHOULDN'T LOOK AT REIMBURSING THEM UNTIL WE GO BACK.
SO I WILL CALL HEAD, I WILL SEE WHAT'S NEEDED.
WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT THAT DEDICATED PERSON WE'RE WILLING TO FUND, HOW ARE WE
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GOING TO FUND IT? AND I TRY TO DO THAT AS SEAMLESS AS POSSIBLE, THEN STEP BACK, HUDDLE UP AND GET PEOPLE.I GOT ONE MORE JUST PRIOR, ONLY FOR GOING THAT ROUTE.
UH, YOU KNOW, I, ME AS THE COUNCIL MEMBER, I DON'T WANT TO SEE HER LOSE HER POSITION WITH THIS.
I MEAN, IS THERE ANY WAY UP TOP? WE HAVE SO MUCH WORK.
EVEN WOULD BE THE MAINTENANCE.
WE HAVE ZONING, THIS PLACE EMPLOYMENT WE'VE GOT, WE GOT AND SHE'S TOP NOTCH.
I DO NOT WANT HER TO LOSE HER POSITION.
WE'VE GOT PLENTY WORK IN THE TOWN.
I DON'T KNOW I'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION.
I SAID, AS LONG AS I'M TOWN MANAGER, SHE DOESN'T WORK.
COULD SHE GET RETRAINED TO DO, OR AT LEAST PUT IN THAT POSITION TO DEAL WITH THE DILAPIDATED BUILDINGS WITH, WE COULD GET HER CERTIFIED FOR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE BECAUSE THE COUNTY AND GET THAT FIXED AND TAKE CARE OF HER BUILDING ISSUES AT THE SAME TIME, THIS WOULD BE A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY.
WE'RE ALL CITIZENS AT MARC HOUSE.
MR. MAYOR, YOU GOT A COUNTY PLANNER HERE.
WOULD YOU PICK IT FOR THEM? WHY YOU SITTING HERE OR NO, NOT TONIGHT OR NO.
AND CAN WE EXPECT, UH, SOME FEEDBACK WHEN, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO REACH OUT TO ADD, I KNOW WE HAVE TO WAIT, BUT I JUST, I'M GOING TO TEXT ED TOMORROW.
CHANCES ARE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO MEET UP.
AND AS SOON AS I HAVE INFORMATION, I KNOW WE HAVE A MEETING PERHAPS THE 28TH.
I THINK WE CAN BRING YOU UP TO SPEED WHERE WE ARE AND GO FROM THERE.
BUT I LIKE, I LIKE THIS DISCUSSION SOLUTION AND IT'S FAIR TO THE BUILDER, WHATEVER WE MAKE, WE WOULD COMPENSATE THEM FOR THE DIFFERENCE.
I KNOW THIS IS NOT OPEN PER BITE, BUT THERE IS A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO CONSIDER.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO REFUND PERMITS, THAT JUST DELAYS.
AND I'M ONE OF THOSE GUYS THAT DELAYS ME, STARTING MY JOB FOR MY CLIENT.
WHO'S PURCHASED A BUILDING SETTING OUT HERE THAT HE'S PAYING TAXES ON, THAT HE CAN'T RECOUP THE MONEY THAT HE'S PAYING ON HIS TAXES TO START HIS BUSINESS.
SO IF I GOT TO GO BACK TO WARREN COUNTY NOW AND APPLY FOR THIS PERMIT, THAT'S JUST EVEN GOING TO DELAY IT LONGER.
SO DISCUSSION OF THE DRAFT MOA WITH BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, TOWN COUNCIL.
LET ME, UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND, JIM, SO IS THERE ANY NEW MOA WE MET AGAIN TODAY AND I GOT SOME MORE ANSWERS TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAD HAD BEFORE I ENDED UP GOING TO KILL MYSELF.
WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING TOWARDS, UH, THE DRAFT MOA FOR THE TOURISM, JUST IN CASE COUNSEL OR TO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YA.
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SO NO.SO, UM, I WENT THROUGH SOME OF THE THINGS WITH, UM, JLL TODAY, GENERAL HOUSEKEEPING.
UM, WE CHANGED THE MEETING TIME, YEARS BEFORE LATER SOMETIMES, BUT I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THAT OTHERWISE.
OR, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING IS I'VE THOUGHT TOO, CAUSE THEY MAKE IT BE A ZOOM THING, BUT WE DON'T HAVE PERMISSION TO SPEAK.
YEAH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE MICROSOFT TEAMS, MICROSOFT TEAMS JUST LIKE THEM.
YOU GET TO MEET YOURSELF AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE DMO FORMATION UPDATE AND THE MOA.
SO, UM, DELORES WENT THROUGH AND SHE EXPLAINED THAT SHE KEPT ALL THE STUFF THEY WANTED TO KEEP AND GOT RID OF ALL THE LANGUAGE.
APPARENTLY LANGUAGE WAS ADDED BY LIKE ATTORNEYS AND LIKE THEY WEREN'T AGREEING TO FIND THEM.
SO BASICALLY LIKE MY LEASE ALL WORKED LIKE A REVOKABLE THAT WASN'T VERY TENSION.
SO THEIR LAWYER HAD REVIEWED IT.
UM, BUT SO, SO WE HAD AGREED TO CREATE THIS 5 0 1, THE WHATEVER THE OTHER YEAR, THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY WERE IN AGREEMENT.
AND TO DO THIS COMMITTEE, WE MAINTAIN OUR OWNERSHIP OF EVERY SINGLE ASSET.
WE HAVE GARY IT, UM, THE DMO, UM, TOWN, LET ME SEE HERE.
THE TOWN DOES NOT HAVE TO DISSOLVE THE DMO, BUT AT AC AS A BEST PRACTICE, WE WOULD GET RID OF OUR DMS. AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO COMPETING ON THOSE THINGS, ADVERTISING AND DOING THE SAME THING.
UM, YEAH, WE CAN GET RID OF OURS OR WE CAN HOLD IT IF WE WANT TO HOLD IT.
BUT THE BEST PRACTICES ARE TO LET IT GO AND JUST HAVE ONE DMO PER LOCALITY.
BECAUSE PART OF OUR PROBLEM WITH, WITH VIRGINIA TOURISM COMMITTEE, LIKE WE'VE LOST OUT ON GRANT DOLLARS BECAUSE OF COMPUTE IN BETWEEN TOWN AND COUNTY, BOTH TRYING TO DO THE SAME THING.
AND THEY WERE LIKE, THIS IS TOO CONFUSING.
SO, UM, IS IT WITH THE CREATION OF THE NEW ENTITY THAT WE GET ANOTHER EMAIL? I'M SORRY, CAN YOU GO BACK? YEAH.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS? WHOEVER'S ASSETS.
WE CAN THEN GO BACK TO THE STATE AND JUST WRITE A LETTER AND SAY, WE WANT TO GET BACK IN.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE OUR DMO HAS GONE FOREVER.
SO WE DISSOLVE THAT AND THEN WE CAN BRING IT BACK.
WHY WOULDN'T YOU? I WOULDN'T HAVE TO DISSOLVE IT BECAUSE THEN WE'RE NOT DOING THINGS IN COMPETITION LIKE THAT.
LIKE WITH ADVERTISING, THINGS LIKE THAT, LIKE IT'S ONE THING.
AND PHIL, WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO THE VIRGINIA TOURISM COMMISSION, WE'RE GOING AS ONE VERSUS MULTIPLE.
AND THEN IT GETS, THE ONE THAT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD TRANSFER IT TO HIM THOUGH.
ALL I KNOW IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET RID OF IT.
YOU DON'T WANT TO, BUT I THOUGHT HE DIDN'T WANT TO BE, I MEAN, IF WE WANT TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THAT VOTE AND IF THE GOVERNMENT'S NOT FUNDING TOURISM, I DON'T WANT IT.
I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO LIKE, SO MY THING IS Y'ALL WANT TO KEEP THE DMO, KEEP THE DMO.
LIKE, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KEEP IT, DON'T KEEP IT.
LIKE, IT'S REALLY, THAT'S MY SMALL PART OF THIS WHOLE THING.
AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE NINE NON-VOTING MEMBERS AND THAT WAS BECAUSE AS GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, WE SHOULDN'T BE ON THOSE BOARDS.
SO SHE WAS LIKE, YOU'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO BE THERE AND BE PART OF THE BOARD TO, YOU KNOW, DO THE USUAL INFLUENCE.
AND THAT YOU'RE SAYING, SHE'S TALKING TO DOLORES ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR POINT.
SO ANYWAY, THERE'S SEATS REQUIRED FOR BOTH GOVERNMENT BODIES, SORRY, I'M GOING THROUGH MY NOTES.
AND THEN LET'S SEE, WE WENT THROUGH.
SO CARRIE WENT THROUGH OUR BUDGET FOR TOURISM, HOW IT'S CURRENTLY SET UP AND IT'S SET UP BASED ON WHAT WAS GOING ON PREVIOUSLY WITH LIKE US FUNDING THAT CAN'T MAKE UP THE TOURISM BUILDING DOWNTOWN.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE CASE.
UM, CARRIE HAS ASKED TO SIT DOWN AND REVIEW, UM, HOW WE'VE BEEN SPENDING OUR MONEY AND SHE ASKED THE COUNTY TO DO THE SAME THING.
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AND THEN TWO COUNTY PEOPLE.AND THEN KIND OF GO THROUGH AND SEE WHAT WE'VE BEEN SPENDING.
SHE WANTS AN AUDIT SUBCOMMITTEE FOR TOURISM TO SEE HOW THESE FUNDS ARE MAKING SURE ALL OF THE FUNDS ARE BEING SENT US.
THE COUNTY APPARENTLY DOES NOT.
SO IT WOULD BE HARDER FOR HIM A YEAR OR THE TIME OR THIS CURRENT 21, 22.
I'M SPEAKING UP TO AGREE ONCE I, NO, YOU'RE GOOD.
IT REALLY ISN'T THIS NO MORE EXTRA HARD.
TAKE A PICTURE OF LOOKING AT THE MOA.
IT SAYS, AS A RESULT, THE COUNTY ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE.
THIS IS THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THE COUNTY ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE THAT INCREASED THE TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX FROM 2%, 5%.
MY POLICY WOULD BE BACK DOWN TO TWO, BUT I'M NOT ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UM, BUT IN ANY CASE KNOW, AS A CONSTITUENT, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED TO THAT MONEY SINCE 2017 THAT'S THAT'S FIVE YEARS.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING I'VE ASKED THE QUESTION, NOT THE COUNTY, BUT UH, PEOPLE WAS KNOWLEDGEABLE AND THEY'VE SAID, WELL, IT'S NOT ACCOUNTED, NOT IN A LINE ITEM, BUT I, I, I LOVE, I THINK IT'S VERY WORTHWHILE TO GO BACK AND SAY, WHERE DID THAT GO? ISN'T THAT? BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAVE TO SPEND THAT 2% AND THEN THEY PAY, THEY CAN RAISE IT UP TO FIVE IF THEY SPEND THE TWO.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW TO SAY THIS QUESTION OVER AND OVER.
AND I MEAN, YOU'RE CORRECT ON THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THEY DO THEIR BUDGET AS TO HOW THEY ALLOCATE THE TOURISM RANK.
ISN'T THE RULE THAT THEY COLLECT FIVE.
THEY HAVE TO SPEND THAT TO ON TOURISM, ENERGY SPENT SOME TOURISM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SAY, UH, SOMETHING IN ANOTHER DEPARTMENT IS AN INITIATIVE.
WE HAVE A SPECIFIC DEPARTMENT FOR TOURISM.
SO IT'S VERY EASY FOR ME TO PULL UP THAT IF YOU PULL IT BACK TO 2% AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO SPEND THAT ON TOUR AND DID THAT'S FINE NOTE, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, HAVE LIKE RACIST, TEXAS.
I DO THE TRAIN THING BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE REAL ESTATE TAX OR SOMETHING.
AND OURS IS REALLY CHEAP AT 5% BECAUSE I SAY IT PLACES WHERE IT'S 17 AND 23.
I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT PROPOSED BUDGET THAT WILL TASHA HAS MENTIONED THE TROLLEYS STILL ON THERE.
UH, YOU WANT TO SHOW HIM THE BUDGET REAL QUICK? I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN CREATE A SEPARATE DEPARTMENT.
I DON'T HAVE ANOTHER DEPARTMENT.
I THOUGHT THE WORK SESSION AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO PUT THE TROLLEY UNDER TOURISTS, THAT WE'D LIKE YOU TO COME OFF THERE IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT SAYS THE TOURISM HAS INCREASED BY 2% ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND THE TROLLEYS WAY ACTUALLY ARE SPENDING OR IS ON WENT DOWN THIS YEAR.
SO CARRIE WENT THROUGH THAT ANDREW'S $400 UNIFORM QUESTION.
SO THAT'S JUST GUESSING, BASED ON US STILL FUNDING T-SHIRTS FOR ANYBODY AT THE VISITOR CENTER BEFORE FOR POSSIBLY THE YEAR 2017.
SO THAT'S WHY, UM, GO AHEAD WITH THIS AUDIT.
SHE'S ALSO REQUESTED AS A SIDE NOTE, NOT SO DO ANYTHING, BUT HE'S ALSO REQUESTED THAT EVEN NOT BE THERE.
SO SHE WANTED ALL THAT STUFF DONE AND IT MAKES SENSE, NOT THE AUDIT, CAUSE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
EVERYBODY'S GOING TO SIT IN A ROOM.
SHE WANTS IT TO BE REAL SIMPLE.
ME BJ COUNTY, ONE COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE, PROBABLY DOLORES.
AND THEN THEIR FINANCE PERSON AND JUST SIT DOWN AND KIND OF JUST GO THROUGH IT AND CALL IT A DAY.
SO LIKE IN ONE SESSION, IS IT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TASK, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TASK IT TO THE, UM, STAFF.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE EVERYBODY SIT IN A ROOM AND LIKE, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO REPEAT THAT LINE ITEMS, DANNY, NO EASY.
THEY JUST WANT TO MEET BJ, UH, COUNCILMAN THOMPSON, UH, CARRIE AND DOLORES.
AND I THINK, UH, GOING TO BE THERE, SOMEONE FROM THE COUNTY AND THEY JUST WANT TO GO OVER PAST EXPENDITURES DETAILS WHERE THE MONEY CAME FROM, HOW DID THEY SPEND IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE? WHAT COULD IT BE LIKE, UM, REPORTED OUT, SIR, BECAUSE BJ'S ALREADY SENT, I HAVEN'T CHECKED MY EMAILS.
IT'S INTERESTED IN COUNTY, THE PROPOSED.
I JUST MEAN IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THERE.
I'M NOT GOING TO BE SO GENERATE FINANCE
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PAPER IN THERE.SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH, WE FIND OUR MAJOR CONCERNS ADDRESS.
WE RETAIN OUR RIGHTS TO ALL OF OUR THINGS.
IF THIS DOESN'T WORK OUT AND EVERYBODY PULLS OUT, WE HAVE THAT OPTION TO DO SO.
IF WE WANT TO RIDE IT OUT UNTIL THE END OF THE CONTRACT OR WHATNOT, WE CAN DO THAT TOO.
SO I THINK WITH EVERYTHING BEING ADDRESSED, UM, EVEN FORMING THIS AUDIT COMMITTEE, WHICH WILL ALSO HELP US TO SEE MORE THINGS WITH EVEN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, RIGHT.
THAT SOMEBODY AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH OUR DOLLARS.
I THINK WE'RE IN A POSITION TO AT LEAST TALK WITH MOA BACK AND MUNICIPAL WORDS SO WE CAN GET ON WITH TOURISM.
AND I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING, THEY ALSO SAID THAT, UM, STEVEN DOES NOT HAVE TO COME TO THEM FOR PERMISSION TO DO SMALL T ITEMS DOWNTOWN.
AND SO THERE'S NONE OF THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE WE DIDN'T LIKE BEFORE.
SO I THINK WE'RE IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
WE'RE GETTING INTO SPRING AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BEEN A LONG, YES.
I WOULD LIKE FOR BJ TO GO AHEAD AND GO OVER THE BUDGET BECAUSE THAT DID COME UP.
SO COUNCIL'S AWARE OF WOFFORD FUNDING.
SO SHOULD THE MOA OR FYI 23 GO THROUGH BJ AND I WILL NEED SOME GUIDANCE ON WHERE TO, HOW YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO DO IT.
CAN YOU PULL UP WELL, YEAH, CAUSE I WENT FROM 35 TO 100 PDF THAT I SENT YOU THE POWERPOINT.
I, AND I WANT TO MAKE A SUGGESTION TOO.
SO AFTER BJ SANDWICH, I THINK HE HAD 26.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, WHAT WE REVIEWED THERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS IN THE WORK SESSION, THERE ARE LODGING REVENUE, THE WAY THE BUDGET, $317,000.
UM, WE HAVE OUR CARRY OVER FUNDS, UM, THAT, UM, $6,000 A WEEK FROM LAST YEAR, THIS WAS DONE.
WE HAD 160, $2,000 REMAINING IN CURRENT BUDGET FOR A TOTAL OF 250,000.
AND YOU COME OVER HERE TO THE PROPOSED BUDGET THAT WE HAVE FOR, UH, TOURISM.
AND AS YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT CHARLIE IS INCLUDED.
WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING ANOTHER DEPARTMENT FOR THAT AND BREAK IT OUT.
UM, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE VISITOR CENTER PART-TIME PERSONNEL, IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE HARD BY JAIL.
SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE .
SO THIS WAS THE BEST INFORMATION THAT I HANDLED THE BUDGET, OBVIOUSLY, BUT WE, UH, BUT YES, IF WE, IF WE DON'T HAVE CULTURAL ACTIVITIES, GRANT FUNDING, SO THAT'S THE, UM, UH, 50% OF THAT COMES FROM THE STATE.
WE, UH, WE FUND, UH, BLUE RIDGE COUNCIL REMOVED SINGERS AND, UH, THIS YEAR, PREVIOUS YEARS WE'VE DONE THE WORD COVID SOCIETY, BUT I THINK NEXT YEAR THEY'RE COMING BACK.
BUT THEN THE PERCENT OF THAT COMES FROM, UM, STATE FUNDING.
UM, BUT YES, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE EXACTLY CORRECT.
I MEAN, WE CAN, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE VISITOR CENTER STAFF, WE CAN TAKE ALL OF THIS AND LUMP IT TOGETHER FOR JLL OR WHAT HAVE YOU, THERE, WE ARE BORN FOREIGN OFFICE SUPPLIES, THE PROMOTION ADVERTISING, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND WE DID GET SOME APPROXIMATELY 200,000.
AND THEN, UM, AND THEN DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM, WE HAVE OUR SPECIAL, UH, PUBLIC ARTS COORDINATOR FOR THE SALARY AND BENEFITS, UH, ADVERTISING FOR SPECIAL EVENTS, OFFICE SUPPLIES, A $40,000 FOR SPECIALIST, $5,000 FOR THE TRAVEL AND EDUCATION, SPECIAL DENTAL $370,000 IN LODGING REVENUE.
SO THEN YOU CAN KIND OF READ INTO THAT.
HOWEVER YOU WANT TO JUST CONSIDER THE LODGING REVENUE, OUR TOURISM DOLLARS.
UH, MAYBE YOU DON'T WANT TO CONSIDER TRIALING, YOU KNOW, PART OF TOURISM AND KIND OF BREAKING, EVEN GIVE OR TANK.
THAT'S KIND OF IN A NUTSHELL, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO I WANTED TO THROW SOMETHING OUT THERE LAST WEEK.
THERE WAS A LOT OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP AND PEOPLE WERE DISCUSSING WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, ABOUT TAXES.
LIKE, DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN, UM, COUNCIL AND MORRIS BROUGHT UP ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT, UM, ABOUT THAT YOU PAID MEALS TAX AND STUFF LIKE THAT TOO.
AND THEN JOE WAS LIKE, SO I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE.
THAT I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, IF WE REALLY WANTED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT, UM, THE, THESE ARE DOLLARS THAT OUR CITIZENS NECESSARILY ARE PAYING.
I KNOW SCOTT FEELS THAT THEY ARE DIRECTLY, THEY ARE, BUT SO HERE'S THE I'M THINKING AND IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA.
IT MIGHT BE A BAD IDEA, BUT DIDN'T WANT TO NOT SHARE IT.
WHAT IF WE GAVE A NUMBER LIKE, AND WHEN WE SAID THAT WE WOULD SPEND 70% OF OUR LODGING
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OR TRANSIENT, WHATEVER THEY CALL IT, BUT BASICALLY LODGING TAX.AND THE REASON WHY I'M SAYING THAT IS, IS BECAUSE TAC IS PEOPLE COMING HERE TO VISIT READY.
AND SO MOST OF OURS THAT IT'S BEEN NONE, BUT THERE ARE SOME, BUT WOULD NOT BE STAYING IN A HOTEL.
UM, SO I WAS JUST THINKING LIKE, I JUST, I, 70% WAS WHAT I ORIGINALLY TOSSED OUT.
I WOULDN'T SAY, WELL, 70, 70, NO, THAT'S IT.
SO FOR NEXT YEAR, I MEAN, I'VE MET MY BJ OR FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING A PERCENTAGE OF OUR LODGING BECAUSE IT DOESN'T COMMIT US TO FUTURE DOLLARS THAT WE DIDN'T MAKE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M, WHATEVER THE PERCENT OF OUR LODGE.
SO IF WE, SO, SO IF WE DID THAT, LIKE I SAID, WE WOULD BE SAYING TO OUR CITIZENS, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY COMING HERE TO VISIT.
AND SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS USING THE MONEY THAT WE'RE GETTING, EXCEPT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN HOTELS.
THAT THAT'S THE TOUGH PART, YOU KNOW? UM, BUT I WAS JUST THINKING ENEMY, MAYBE 70% IS TOO MUCH.
AND THEN I THOUGHT, WELL, SHORT-TERM RENTALS GO THROUGH THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO GO UP.
SO, BUT SO I, 70% OF 318,000 IS 222,000.
THAT'S MORE THAN THE 200 WE WERE SAYING.
UM, SO MAYBE 70% IS TOO MUCH, BUT THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT IT, IT KIND KINDA CAPS US THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
WE'RE WE COULD BUDGET EVERY YEAR, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, PEOPLE WE ARE LODGING TAX WENT DOWN.
FIGHTING, COMING IN FROM PEOPLE COMING OUTSIDE TO THEN KEEP 30%.
AND THEN YOU PUT THAT 70% AND THE 30% CAN GET HER FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO ROLL OR WHATEVER.
AND THE REASON THAT I HAD THAT ON MY LIST WAS, WELL, I'VE HAD MY RESERVATIONS ABOUT PARTS OF THIS ALL ALONG AS WELL.
IF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY STAYING THE PROBLEM CURRENTLY IS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN TODAY.
AND TONIGHT AREN'T SPENDING MONEY IN TOWN, THEY'RE STAYING THE NIGHT AND LEAVING FOR THE MOST PART.
THEY MIGHT EAT OUT ONCE OR SOMETHING, BUT THEY'RE NOT COMING DOWNTOWN AND SPENDING MONEY DOWNTOWN AND MAKING OUR SMALL BUSINESSES SURVIVE.
SO IF WE COULD BRING THEM IN, INVEST IN THE TOURISM AND GET THEM TO SPEND MORE MONEY AND MAKE MORE REVENUE ON THE TAXES, THEN I WOULD BE ALL FOR THAT.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, I HAD IT DOWN HERE, A PERCENTAGE OF OUR LODGE, I GUESS WHAT I'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
WE KNEW THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT.
UH, WELL, CARRIE AND I HAD A LONG CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS WITH WHAT THEY'VE TRACKED SO FAR, BUT A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT COME FOR TOURS RIGHT NOW ARE PASSED THROUGH, AND THAT ALSO SHOWS AND THE DIFFERENCE FOR, UH, THE MEALS TAX AND THE COURT OR SAY, I MEAN, THEY GET THE LESS, THEY GET THE LESS WE GET TAX.
I'M PRETTY SURE I PAID MORE TO STARBUCKS OUT THERE.
THEN THE STARBUCKS IS A LITTLE HIGHER UP LOWER MEAL TAXES AND STUFF AND REAL ESTATE TAXES.
I MEAN, YEAH, I THINK IT'S A GOOD APPROACH.
UM, AND LIKE NOT, UM, LOCKING IN AND A PERCENTAGE IS BETTER THAN THE PERSON'S DOLLAR AMOUNT.
I THINK WE COULD, YOU KNOW, IN A CONTRACTOR, I DON'T KNOW TO JUST PUT A GUIDELINE, BUT NOT, NOT EVEN, UM, WE'RE HOLDING OURSELVES TO A PERCENTAGE EITHER, RIGHT? AND I'LL HIT TO THIS PERCENT IS WHAT WE WILL CONTRIBUTE AS WELL.
HOW WOULD YOU FIGURE THAT OUT IN TERMS OF BUDGETING? IF WE SAID 70% OF NEXT YEAR'S SES FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, PROBABLY HIGHER BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, RIGHT? 3 55, THERE WAS A 21% DECREASE IN 2020, THERE WERE $63 MILLION IN MEALS, LODGING, TRANSPORTATION, AND SALES TAX A YEAR BEHIND A YEAR BEHIND YOU, A RED LINE ON THAT THREE YEARS.
CAUSE IT WOULD GO BEFORE THE PATIENT.
NOW I JUST WANT TO TELL HIM WE COULD BE ACTUALLY GIVING.
WE COULD ACTUALLY BE GIVING MORE THAN WHAT SOMEBODY LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, 70% OF THAT 222,000
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UP TO PRESENT IT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO COME AND PRESENT A BUDGET AND THEN IT'S GOING TO BE FED.YOU GUYS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DIVIDING THIS IN HALF OR WHATEVER AND IN A CONVERSATION.
SO WITH AN MOA, WE WANT TO BE SPECIFIC.
SO IT SHOULD BE, JAY WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT.
IT SHOULD BE BASED MAYBE ON THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S REVENUE, THAT SAME PERCENT.
CAUSE HOW DO YOU FORECAST EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS FOR THE PILOT? CAN YOU EDIT THAT? AND THEN ARE YOU GUYS AT THIS POINT WE'VE GOTTEN HERE, ARE YOU GUYS AT THIS POINT, OKAY, WITH THAT GOING TO A VOTE, TO VOTE ON THIS MOA, WITH THAT STIPULATION IN THERE, BUT UP TO 70% UP TO 60% BECAUSE THEY MIGHT NOT NEED IT ALL RIGHT AND WORTH.
I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT IT, IT SPEAKS TO, BUT THIS LODGING REVENUE IS SO THAT, I MEAN, WITHIN THE TOWN LIMITS, THIS IS COLLECTED EARLY IN THE TOWN.
THESE ARE, I MEAN, THEY WERE MOST OF OUR LODGING OPTIONS RIGHT NOW HAVE PEOPLE STAYING IN THEM REALLY AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO RENT.
AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE SOME CAMPSITES WHERE PEOPLE ARE STAYING LONG TERM AND THAT SHELTER HOUSING OFFICER.
SO REALLY THIS IS, THIS IS LIKE A TAX ON THE MOST UNFORTUNATE, WELL, THEY'RE GETTING CHARGED THAT EITHER WAY, YOU'RE GETTING CHARGED TRANSIENT TAX, EITHER TRACY AND TAX IT, THEY WOULDN'T PAY TRAINERS, GET TAX OR ANYTHING OVER 30 DAYS SINCE WE HAVE SOME AND THEN THEY BECOME A RESIDENT AND THEN IT GETS INTO ANOTHER REALM.
UM, SO AFTER 30 DAYS, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S 30.
WE HAD PEOPLE DEFINITELY HAVE ADDRESS, BUT THEY WERE GOING TO PAY IT NO MATTER, RIGHT.
THEY WEREN'T GOING TO GET A BREAK IF WE DIDN'T USE IT FOR TOURISM.
UM, THE TRANSIENT TAX, ALL THE TAXES I'VE CUT THEIR REAL ESTATE TAX AND KEEP THE TRAMPING ATTACKS.
IT MIGHT MEAN THAT THEY DON'T HAVE, THE OTHER THING IS THE C6.
I WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY ELSE AND IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS WELL RECEIVED.
IF WE COULD DO THIS OVER AGAIN, IS IF WE COULD START FROM SCRATCH AGAIN AND WE JUST CUTTING IT ALL IS NOT A POSSIBILITY, WHICH I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY.
UM, BUT IF, IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT AND WE'VE GOT TO LIVE WITH THIS REALITY, THEN, LIKE I WAS SAYING IN ONE OF MY CONVERSATIONS, LIKE THIS WORKS BEST AS A INITIATIVE OF, UM, BUSINESSES ACTING ON THEIR OWN.
WHAT I WISH WOULD HAPPEN OR COULD HAPPEN IS THAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR BRINGS IT TO THE POINT WHERE THEY COULD COME BACK TO US WITH A 5 0 1 C6 OR 5 0 1 C3 OR WHATEVER ELSE.
AND IN THE MEANTIME, THE MOA THAT WE'RE FINALIZING WITH THE COUNTY IS SOMETHING MORE IN THE FORM OF A GRANT OR AN AGREEMENT TO SPEND, YOU KNOW, SOME PORTION OF OUR TAX EXPENDITURES.
AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, IN THAT TIME, UH, THE EXISTING PEOPLE WHO ARE MOST INVESTED IN THIS CAN GET THE C6, GET THE BYLAWS FINISHED UP.
WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE PLAN IS PRESENTED.
A PLAN, WHICH I THINK AT THIS POINT WOULD PROBABLY BE PRETTY EASY TO DO EXCEPT FOR THE, UM, TAX FILINGS.
BUT THERE MIGHT BE OTHER ENTITIES OUT THERE, UM, THAT I'VE BEEN WATCHING.
THIS CONVERSATION WILL BITE AT THE APPLE TO THEN AT THE POINT OF AWARDING THE GRANT, ESSENTIALLY, UM, WE MAY HAVE MORE THAN ONE PROPOSAL, UH, READY, UH, READY FOR US, BUT ALSO THERE'S THE LEGAL STRUCTURE TO FOLD IT INTO.
BUT WE'RE STILL THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW WHERE IT'S AN UNFORMED ENTITY WITHOUT BYLAWS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND WE'RE PUTTING A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH OUT THERE FOR, I, I HEAR YOU AND I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
AND AT THIS POINT YOU'RE JUST LIKE, YOU'RE RIGHT.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE COMMITTEE ARE SO FRUSTRATED RIGHT NOW TO YOU BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE WORKING ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT MOVING FORWARD.
THAT'S NOT CHANGING ANYTHING FOR THE BETTER.
IT'S FRUSTRATING TO ALL OF US, RIGHT? AND THEN IF WE'RE AT A STAND STILL AND WE'VE HIRED THIS ORGANIZATION TO DO WORK, AND THEN WE LIKE TIED THEIR HANDS, SHE CAN'T HIRE A DIRECTOR, SHE CAN'T PUT THE VIRGIN, THE TOURIST, UM, EMPLOYEES DOWN THERE, SHE CAN'T PUT THEM ON A PAYROLL OR ANYTHING ELSE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE STILL HAVE THEM BECAUSE THIS HASN'T BEEN DONE.
LIKE YOU CAN'T GET ANYBODY TO COME APPLY
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FOR A JOB WHEN THEY DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE PAID.SO I HAVE TWO POINTS TO ADDRESS SOME ISSUES AND CONCERNS WE'VE BEEN TALKED ABOUT.
SO ONE OF THE POINTS IS THAT DISEASE, UH, PRIVATE, UM, BUSINESSES OR PRIVATE SECTOR DID COME TO US WITH SOME OF THIS AND HAVE BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.
SO THEY, IT IS A PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP DEALING IN GETTING THIS GOING.
SO ENTREPRENEURS HERE IN TOWN, BUSINESS OWNERS LIKE CAREY, SCOTT AND OTHERS HAVE COME TO THE TABLE ON THIS, UM, TIME AND TIME AGAIN, TO KIND OF GET THIS TO HAPPEN.
THE SECOND POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, DOES THIS, DOES THIS DO ANYTHING? WHY IS GOVERNMENT INVOLVED IN TOURISM? WHY SHOULD IT BE, IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN HELP THE TOURISM SECTOR, THE TOURISM SECTOR IN GENERAL, BY REACHING OUT AND BRINGING PEOPLE IN IT DOES HELP OUR BUSINESSES, WHICH HELPS THEM SUCCEED.
WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT MAIN STREET OR WHATEVER, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE TOWN HERE, THE COUNTY, EVERYTHING, IF WE CAN HELP THEM SUCCEED, THAT DOES GENERATE ADDITIONAL TAX REVENUE.
AND IT ALSO MAKES IT HELPS THE WHOLE TOWN AS A WHOLE LIKE GROW AND GET BETTER JOBS.
FIRST, A LOT OF REASONS WHY I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE NOMINALLY OR MINIMALLY.
AND I THINK, I FEEL, I STILL FEEL LIKE GIVEN THE WAY WE'RE GOING WITH THIS, IT'S GOING TO TAKE US GOVERNMENT MOSTLY OUT THIS EQUATION AND HAVE IT RUN BY THOSE PUBLIC FUNDING.
SO I THINK WITH THINGS THAT ARE GENERATED FROM THE THING THAT IT'S DOING, SO IT'S $2 THAT ARE GENERATED PROM LOGIC, WHICH IS PARTIALLY DID AWAY WITH ALL OF THAT.
WE STILL, WE DID AWAY WITH, IF WE PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, IF WE DID WHAT YOU MIGHT BE SUGGESTING THAT WE JUST NOT CLICK THAT TAX AT ALL, THEN THERE ARE THINGS THAT, THAT WE BENEFIT FROM THAT WE WOULD NO LONGER BENEFIT FROM.
I MEAN, AND WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT 70%.
THIS IS, WE'RE GETTING INTO A VERY PHILOSOPHICAL DISCUSSION ONCE AGAIN ABOUT GOVERNMENT AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S I THINK SCOTT MEANT FINANCIALLY IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, NOT LIKE MORAL SUPPORT, LIKE OTHER BUSINESSES, CHIPPING AND MORAL SUPPORT.
I THINK HE, IF THEY PUT THEIR MONEY TOGETHER, RESIDUALLY, NOT JUST TOURISM BASED INDUSTRIES OR TOURISM BASED THINGS THAT MAKE MONEY OFF TOURISM DEGREE, IF WE CAN INCREASE THE TAX REVENUE AND FOR OIL, THEN THAT MAKES OUR BUDGET BETTER ALL TOGETHER.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
WITH LANGUAGE THAT SAYS UP TO 65%, WAIT, HOLD ON.
WHERE IS IT? WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? SIDEWALKS.
IF THERE'S NO WALKABILITY AND ACCESSIBILITY, WHY ARE WE PUTTING THE LARGEST PORTION TO TOURISM? I'M NOT GOING TO ASHEVILLE, NORTH CAROLINA OR SEDONA, ARIZONA, ALL THE PLACES THAT KEEP GETTING THROWN IN MY FACE AND PARKING MY CAR AND GETTING OUT AND SPENDING MONEY AT A HOT DOG SHOP OR GOING INTO AN ART MUSEUM IF THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS OR PARKING SPACES.
SO WE ALSO NEED TO TAKE CARE OF HER INFRASTRUCTURE ALONGSIDE OF TOURISTS FROM THAT TAX THAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WE SHOULD FUTURE COUNCILS PUT SIDEWALKS IN LIKE THEY DID YARD AND NO SIDEWALK, SIDEWALK ACCESSIBILITY OF WALKABILITY EFFECTS.
AND PEOPLE KEEP LETTING THEM FALL ON DEAF EARS.
CAN WE AGREE TO 65, 60 5%? LAURA JUST DID THE MATH.
TELL ANYBODY WHAT IS THE DOLLAR AND CENTS RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR EVERY DOLLAR SPEND ON TOURISM? WHAT ARE YOU MAKING? WE'LL HAVE TO PROVIDE US METRICS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE METRICS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO ANYTHING.
WE DON'T HAVE RESPONSIBILITY AND THEY'LL HAVE TO REPORT BACK TO US, FIRE THEM AND DISSOLVE THAT.
AND ONE OF THE WAYS THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT IS CREATING PACKAGES SO THEY CAN TRACK IT FROM BEGINNING TO END, LIKE WHAT YOU DID, BOOK A ROOM HERE AND THAT KIND OF THING.
CAUSE THERE HAS TO BE A WAVE OF DRAMA.
WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE THE GOOGLE CLICKS THE 65% DOES NOT BRING THIS UP.
'CAUSE Y'ALL SAID YOU WANTED TO DO IT THE YEAR BEFORE THIS.
WE SAID THE YEAR BEFORE THE BUDGET THAT WE'RE FUNDING.
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THE PROJECTED BUDGET.WHAT WAS LAST YEAR? WHAT WAS THE TWO YEARS PRIOR TO THAT LAST YEAR WAS THE PEAK OF ALMA MACRON AND DELTA, WHICH CARRIE MENTIONED IN MY MEETING WITH HER LAST YEAR WAS LOWER THAN THE YEAR BEFORE AT THE BEGINNING OF COVID IT'S ONLY GOING TO GO UP.
CAN WE TAKE A THREE-YEAR AVERAGE? THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD BE IF WE WERE DOING 65%, THAT'S A LOT OF 128,000.
UH, ZANE HERE WAS, UH, 21, 20 WAS 270,019 WAS 316,000.
SO IF YOU TAKE A THREE, FOUR FIVE-YEAR AVERAGE, YOU'VE GOT ANYWHERE FROM THREE 17 TO WHAT, 2 73 63, 16 TO 2 28.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU THE 65% OF THE NUMBER OF THESE THREE YEARS AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHATEVER THE PERCENTAGE IS TO TAKE US TO $200.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE THIS YEAR WE'VE, WE MENTALLY AGREED TO A DOLLAR AMOUNT.
IT'S LIKE A THREE-YEAR AVERAGE AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHATEVER THE PERCENTAGE IS.
THAT'LL TAKE US TO 200 K FOR THIS YEAR.
WHY DON'T WE JUST HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT PERCENTAGES OF THEM WERE DEFAULTING TO AND THEY'RE SAYING 65 ISN'T ENOUGH TO FIND IT.
CAN WE FIND IT THIS YEAR AT THE $200,000 THAT WE'VE ALREADY PREVIOUSLY TO THIS FOR OVER A YEAR? OKAY.
THEY JUST WANT TO GET US TO IT THIS YEAR BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE SAY WE DON'T HAVE A PROPOSED SOLUTION TO A WATER METER WAIVER REQUEST RIVER EDGE.
UM, WE MET, UH, THE GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL WAS WE REALIZED THAT THERE WERE STANDARDS THAT WE HAD ALSO REALIZED THAT THERE WAS SOME TOTAL, THE WAY IT WAS BEING PROPOSED.
WE HAD LIMITATIONS BASED ON THE CODE.
AND YOU ALL ASKED STAFF TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT A WAY THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT IS WITHIN THE INTENT OF THE CODE AND THE STANDARDS.
SO, UM, WE MET WITH, UH, DIPO, UH, THURSDAY, LAST THURSDAY, I BELIEVE, UH, STAFF HAS BEEN MEETING WITH THEM.
UM, SINCE THAT MEETING, HE KIND OF LAID OUT, HE WENT UP THERE AND HE SKETCHED OUT EVERYTHING.
AND I, I DO THINK WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION THAT IS, UH, THAT IS DOABLE, A NUMBER LIKE ROBBIE, UH, THERE, AND KIND OF SHARE WITH YOU ALL WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO HUDDLE BACK UP WITH THEM TO SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE UP TO.
SO TALKING WITH, UH, MR. POE, MR. BERGEN, UM, WELL WE KINDA, WELL, WE HAD RECOMMENDED TO THEM WAS, IS THE WOOD SHOP AND CURRENTLY HAS A ONE SERVICE COMING OFF THAT FOUR-INCH LINE.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY FIRE SUPPRESSION, YOU KNOW, THEY USE A VERY LOW VOLUME OF WATER.
UM, FLORENCE LINE, YOU OBVIOUSLY RECENTLY WENT TO HONEYWELL WOOD W WELL, WELL BETTER.
WELL-SERVED THE CAMPSITE WITH 200 ACRES, THE BATH HOUSES AND ALL THAT.
UH, WE RECOMMENDED TO THEM TO TRY TO GET A WRITTEN AGREEMENT WITH THE WOOD SHOP, THAT IF THEY WAS TO PUT IN A ONE INCH SERVICE DEDICATED FOR THEM, UM, ONE IS WATER SERVICE AND TABLE LIKE 40, 4430 $8.
UM, THEY DON'T NEED SILVER BECAUSE THEY'RE ON SEPTIC AND THAT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM WITH THE TWO LOTS.
UM, AND WE TOLD THEM WE WOULD RECOMMEND, AND I THINK IT WAS PART OF WHEN THEY BROKE OFF THE 10 ACRES THAT THEY HAVE A RECORDED, THEY WOULD DO A SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOWN THE FUTURE OF THAT FOUR-INCH WOULD HAVE TO BE UPGRADED FOR FIRE SUPPRESSION FOR THAT 10 ACRES OR ANYTHING ELSE.
THEY SUBDIVIDE FROM THAT BEING WHO THEY SOUND LIKE THEY DO, MAYBE HAVE SOME INTENTIONS OF SUBDIVIDING, HOVER LOCKS OFF OF THAT, AND THEN PUTTING SOME POLE BARNS FOR BUSINESSES ON SOME OTHER SLABS THAT ARE THERE, BUT THAT FOR NOW, AT LEAST IT GETS BIGGER.
THEY WOULD HAVE FOUR OF THE FOUR INCH FOR THAT.
UM, IT'S GOT THE FOUR-INCH MAJOR AND THEY KNEW IT WOULD HAVE ONE INCH THAT WOULD BE A PLENTY FOR THE WOODSHOP.
THEY WOULD BOTH BE, HAVE DEDICATED THAT WAY.
THEN THE WOOD SHOP DID THEIR OWN THING.
COME ON OFF THE FOUR-INCH HEEL.
THEY HAD TO COME UP TO SIX RIGHT UP THERE AT THE INTERSECTION BY IT.
SO RIGHT OUT, RIGHT OUTSIDE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, UH, UM, THE, UH, ON THAT SIDE, BUT IT WOULD BE THE EVER PASS, RIGHT.
SO THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO GO OUT WITH ALL THEIR PROPERTY, BUT LITERALLY THEY COULD ACTUALLY GO WHERE THEIR ROAD GOES BACK, JUST GO STRAIGHT OUT.
UH, IT COULD BE CONNECTED TO HER TO SET UP, MEET HER WITH LIKE A ROAD GRADE, YOU KNOW, LAY IT IN THIS RUN STRAIGHT BACK.
AND THEN THAT WAY THAT WOULD GET THE TWO SEPARATE, THEY WOULD EACH HAVE THEIR OWN AND THEN LIKE SIT DOWN THE ROAD.
AND ONE THING WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU HAD THE THING AND WE KIND OF KNEW WHAT THE 10 ACRES WAS GOING TO BE OR ANY OF THAT,
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IF THEY NEEDED MORE THAN WHAT THE FOREST WOULD HOLD, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN WITH ZEN INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL, SO YOU COULD BE SOMETHING BIGGER.W WHAT SIZE WAS IT OUT THERE AT? UH, WHAT WAS THE LAUNDRY PLACE OUT THERE AT YOUR, YEAH, WHAT'S THAT? WHAT WAS THAT? IT WAS ORANGE AND ORANGE AND THEY REDUCED IT DOWN TO ALL RIGHT.
AND WHAT WERE THEY, WHAT WERE THEY USING AT THE TIME? CAUSE THEY WERE USING, UM, UH, ROUGHLY A MILLION GALLONS A MONTH.
FORCED ME TO DO A THOUSAND GALLONS A MINUTE, A LOT.
IT WILL COMPOUND METER, WHICH IS WHAT'S IN OUT THERE.
SO I MEAN, YEAH, THAT WOULD, AND THAT PATTERN UP ON THE CORNERS GREEN.
SO YOU'RE TALKING AT LOW END GREEN HUNDREDS THOUSAND TO 1500 GALLONS A MINUTE.
SO ON THE LOW END, YOU'RE STILL, I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT OF WATER OR DIDN'T DRINK AND I MEAN, THAT WOULD HAVE TO, I MEAN, THAT PROPERTY, I'M JUST THINKING, WHAT WOULD THAT FOUR-INCH COVER SOUNDS LIKE, WOULD COVER PART OF THE, I MEAN, IT WOULD, YEAH.
I MEAN, THE THING IS COURSE WAS IN THE FORTIES, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WOULD BE THE THING DOWN THE ROAD TO, AND THEY WOULD BE RESPONSE.
I FIND, UH, YESTERDAY THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT LINE THOUGH.
SO IN IT, OR IF SOMETHING BREAKS CRACKS, THEN THEY'RE, THEY, THEY ARE FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY OF THAT IN THEIR LANGUAGE FOR THEIR LETTER.
WHICH THEN THAT WAY, BECAUSE IF YOU HAD, YOU KNOW, 150 CAMPERS IN THE SUMMER, THE LAND BROKE AND THEY RAN OUT OF WATER, IT WOULD BE ON THEM.
IT WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING, BUT YES.
SO NOT BEING CHARGED ANY FEES OR ANYTHING FOR THAT FOR LUNCH AS IT STANDS, RIGHT? YES.
FOR SOME EXTRA ONE EDGE, THAT'S CORRECT.
THE BUSH HOUSE PANEL LORD'S METER FEE, WHICH HAPPENS LAST OR USAGE.
SO WHAT ARE THEY, WHAT ARE THEY PAYING? UM, BECAUSE I DON'T, CAN'T REMEMBER THE FEE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I WANT TO SAY IT'S LIKE $200 A MONTH.
CAUSE THE VIRGINIA BUILDING USED TO HAVE A LARGE MAJOR IN YEARS AGO, THEY HAD IT REDUCED, THEY SUBMITTED IT.
WE PUT A NEW ONE-ISH LINE IN THERE, THEN THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT MRI.
THE, WHICH SHOP WOULD, YOU KNOW, THEY'D PROBABLY BE HAPPIER CAUSE THEY PROBABLY DON'T HAVE IT AT THE METER CHARTS.
AND THEN THEY'RE IN THE CAMPSITES.
WE TAKE THE OWNERSHIP OF THE FOUR-INCH.
UM, OBVIOUSLY BOTH PARTIES WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO THIS, WHICH HOUSE WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO VACATE CAMPGROUND WOULD HAVE TO TAKE OFF AND TAKE OVER.
UM, AND THEN ALSO INSTALLATION AND THE CONNECTION FEE FOR THE ONE INCH.
BUT THERE ARE USAGE I WOULD IMAGINE WOULD BE LESS THAN WITH LARGE METER FEE IS NOW FOR THE WHICH HIGH.
THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY WORK OUT BETTER FOR THEM AND IT WOULD HELP THEM OUT.
CAUSE THEN THEY WOULD HAVE THE BIG LINE BACK, YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT THEY NEED FOR THE REST OF DEALER, 74 ACRES THAT WAY.
ARE THERE ANY DOWNSIDES OR POTENTIAL ISSUE MEAN? I WOULD SAY PROBABLY ONE THING YOU WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER IT BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE WAS DOING THE 10 ACRES OR ANY OF THE OTHER STUFF ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD WANT THE DEVELOPER TO FIGURE IT OUT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS FOR SOMETHING BIG, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD PLAY IN FORT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I GUESS REALLY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD BE PART OF THE AGREEMENT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
THAT W WILLING TO DO THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS, THIS AND THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS $56,000 TAP FEE, YOU'RE IN ABOUT 600 5600.
IF THEY WEREN'T DOING STOLEN ANOTHER FOUR-INCH LINE, IF OTHER PATHS, RIGHT.
UM, IS A FOREST TASK, UH, 53, 53 40 BACK TO THE OVERPASS.
IF THE FURNITURE PLACE DOESN'T BECAUSE THERE, IF THEY DID, IF THEY WEREN'T WILLING TO WORK WITH THEM, THEN THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT IN A FOUR-INCH LINE.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP.
THAT'S GOING TO SAY, HE'S SITTING HERE.
THEY HAD TALKED TO HIM LIKE LIKES AND ACTUALLY WORK OUT BETTER FOR THEM.
HE SAID THEY AIN'T GOT PAID LORD'S METER FEE.
PLUS I SAY, THEY GET A BRAND NEW LINE.
EVERYTHING WOULD BE BRAND NEW.
AND THIS WILL JUST HAPPEN IN ME THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THAT'D BE APPROVED WITHIN THE TOWN STAFF.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO PROVE AN SOP AND DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE CODE, RIGHT.
WHAT I, WHAT I DO SUGGEST THOUGH, WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS BEFORE WE MAY WANT TO REVISIT THE PROPOSED COUNCILS, THE NEW STANDARDS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW ANY INDUSTRIAL SITE REQUIRES THAT NAME COMING IN.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD DESIGN IT TO WHAT THE NEEDS ARE THE PURPOSES.
SO WE SHOULDN'T ALWAYS DESIGN TO THE CADILLAC.
IF SOMEONE'S JUST GOING TO HAVE DESKS WILL USE CANIK SHOP OR ANYTHING.
AS LONG AS WE MAKE THE FIRES PRESSURE RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY.
AND I JUST THINK IT'D BE GOOD FOR
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FUTURE DEVELOPERS TO HAVE THAT PLUS FIVE SIZES.AND YOU'VE TALKED WITH PONO ABOUT IT AND THERE IS NO, WE HAVE.
I MEAN, WELL, WHEN I TALKED TO HIM THURSDAY, I TOLD HIM WE'RE GOING TO FIND SO FIX THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT THE CONVERSATION ON LAUREN AND I HAD WITH THEM YESTERDAY.
THEY SEEMED TO THEM AMENABLE TO THIS AND THAT.
AND THEY WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO WORK OUT WITH THE BURNS OR CHARLOTTE.
THEY FELT LIKE IT WAS GOING TO ALL THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS WORK.
AND IT WAS GOING TO BE, I THINK THEY'VE ALREADY TOLD TO THEM, DID THEY ACTUALLY PUT THE METER OR WHATEVER? ANYWAY, I'M JUST THINKING.
YEAH, BUT I WANT TO NOT GET CREDIT RATHER THAN FIGURING THIS OUT.
I KINDA HAVE TO COME UP WITH THAT LAST WEEK TOO.
I THINK WE'RE DONE GO INTO CLOSED SESSION THAT TOWN COUNCIL ADJOURNED AFTER THE CLOSED SESSION.
CONVENIENT GOING TO CLOSE MEETING FOR DISCUSSION CONSIDERATION, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARY, DISCIPLINING, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICER'S APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODIES SPECIFIC TO THE PERFORMANCE OF THE TOWN MANAGERS, INCLUDING THE ROLE AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE FRONT ROYAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY PROCEEDED TO VIRGINIA CODE SECTION TWO DASH 37 1.
VICE MAYOR OPERA, VICE MAYOR, HALLWAY COUNCIL, COUNCILMAN THOMPSON, AND ALSO WOMAN MORRIS.
I MEAN COUNSEL, MR. COUNCILMAN.
I MOVED TO COUNCIL CERTIFIED THAT TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE HAS RECOGNIZED BY EACH COUNCIL MEMBERS AFFIRMING THE VOTE THAT ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS.
LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION ABOUT WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED OR HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE CLOSED MEETING BY COUNCIL AND THAT THE VOTE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF COUNCIL BE TAKEN BY ROLL CALL AND RECORDED AND INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF TOWN COUNCIL.
COCKREL FAIR HOLLOWAY COUNSEL, UH, THOMPSON.
MOORE'S COUNCILMEN JUST FOR THE VIEW AND AUDIENCE WE'VE BEEN HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY.
I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO GET A FEEL OF EVERYBODY OUT.
I WOULD, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE NAME OF COMMERCE AVENUE CAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT A PAIN THAT WAS AND WILL BE.
UM, CAN WE GET, UH, CHANCES FROM COUNCIL THAT WE CAN MAKE A BYPASS OR A STREET LIKE THAT? UM, AND NAME IT MEMORIAL DRIVE FOR, FOR NOT CHANGING THE NAME, BUT MAKING THE BYPASS, MAKE IT GEORGE BANKS MEMORIAL THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE PUTTING THEM ON YOU.
SO THAT'S SORT OF LIKE WHAT TO DO ON BRIDGES.
SO WHY DON'T WE WOULD JUST DO A BRIDGE, YOU KNOW, I JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST REAL QUICK, IF Y'ALL COULD EVEN EMAIL ME BACK AND I JUST WANNA, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND REAL QUICK, UH, SUMMER'S COMING.
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BE A GOOD THING IF STEVEN, WE HAD, UH, UH, UH, WORK FOR, FOR SOME OF THE YOUTH THAT ARE IN OUR TOWN.MAYBE THEY CAN COME AND PAINT THE PAINTING AND STUFF FOR ROBBIE.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S MONEY IN THE BUDGET.
YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST FOR OUR, OR, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THEY GOTTA BE AT WORK AND AGE, THAT'S IT? ONE THING THAT SUMMER IS COMING, STEVEN, LET'S SEE ABOUT GETTING SOME THINGS HAPPENING ON THE GAZEBO ON THE WEEKENDS.
LIKE WE DISCUSSED BACK THE LAST, LAST YEAR PAPER THOUGH, AND ALL THAT.
I MEAN, EVEN TO COME IN AND WATCH POLICE VEHICLES.