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UH,[Economic Development Authority on February 17, 2022.]
ARE WE ON WE'RE ON.NOW WE'RE GOING TO GET STARTED.
I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT THIS IS BEING RECORDED AND IT IS ALSO, UH, BOTH, UH, VIDEO AND RECORDING.
WE'RE NOT LIVE, BUT I THOUGHT I'D SHARE THAT WITH YOU ALL.
UM, MAINLY JUST WHERE Y'ALL BE AWARE OR THE WHOLE TIME.
SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO ROLL CALL.
OH MY ISAAC RUSHING TO SAY HERE.
DAVID GIDNEY, RICHARD NOVAK, MARK TAP SACK.
UM, BEFORE WE START, UM, IT'S OKAY WITH YOU ALL.
I LIKE TO JUST HAVE A INTRO, JOE.
HE'S A, THE NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WARRANT COUNTED TOWARD THE PERSON AND PLANNING DIRECTOR AND, UH, IT WAS SUGGESTED HE HAD, AND I ABSOLUTELY, UM, WELCOMING.
UM, IT WAS JOE PETTY ON THE INTERIM PLANNING DIRECTOR FOR THE COUNTY.
I'M ALSO THE NEW DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE COUNTY OF WARREN.
AND PART OF THAT GOAL IS TO WORK OBVIOUSLY WITH JUST AN EDA OR ON KENDRICK LANE, BUT ALSO WORK WITH YOU ALL DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL, UM, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
OBVIOUSLY OUR WHOLE GOAL AND MISSION IS GOING TO BE THE SAME, THE, YOU KNOW, MAKE WARREN COUNTY A BETTER PLACE TO WORK, LIVE PLACE DAY, ALL THAT STUFF.
BUT, UM, RIGHT NOW PLANNING STILL NUMBER ONE ON MY GOAL AND MY PRIORITY LIST.
BUT AS I TRANSITIONED AND WE FIND SOMEBODY TO REPLACE THAT I WILL FULLY BE DOING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE COUNTY.
SO OBVIOUSLY I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ALL, IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU ALL NEED OR MS. TICKS NEEDS, PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO REACH OUT.
SO I HAVE FOUND THAT, UH, COMMUNICATION, UH, REDUCES PROBLEMS AND OVERLAP OVER THE YEARS.
AND, UH, WHEN THE COMMUNITY WAS WORKING AT ITS BEST, THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, THEIR DEPARTMENTS AND THIS MINOR.
AND IF YOU COULD ATTEND OUR MEETING WHENEVER POSSIBLE.
UM, YOU JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS ARE UP TO.
I TO HAVE A REGULAR REPORT FROM YOU GUYS.
AND I KNOW MR. HICKS CHAIRED THE REOCCURRING MEETINGS WITH ME ON MY SCHEDULE.
SO I WAS PLANNING TO MAKE AS MANY, IF NOT ALL OF THESE MEETINGS, I'M OBVIOUSLY SCHEDULED LAOS AND I'D BE HAPPIER, YOU KNOW, PROVIDED SOME TYPE OF IF, YOU KNOW, SOME OF US MIGHT ATTEND YOUR MEETINGS, THE OPEN SESSION OR THE BOARD.
SO OBVIOUSLY AGAIN, YOU KNOW, FROM OURS, I'M JUST I'M COUNTY STAFF.
SO I REPORT TARYN LOGAN AS MY DIRECT SUPERVISOR AND THEN ED BAILEY AND, UM, OR SUPERVISORS, OBVIOUSLY THE EDA THAT'S OVER THERE.
I ATTEND THEIR OPEN MEETINGS JUST AS IF I WAS A CITIZEN OR ANYBODY ELSE.
SO I WOULD OBVIOUSLY ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO ATTEND THEIR MEETINGS AS WELL.
UM, FROM EITHER AN INFORMAL OR FORMAL CAPACITY, I WILL PLAN TO ATTEND AS MANY OF THESE MEETINGS, YOU KNOW? UM, SO THAT IT'S VIEWED IN THE RIGHT LIGHT.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF WE ISSUED STATIONS, AS YOU KNOW, WERE WORKING TOGETHER COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD, MAKE SURE WE'LL COMMUNICATE THAT AS WELL.
AND ALSO, I JUST WANT TO ALSO SHARE THAT I MET WITH, UH, CHAIRMAN JEFF AROUND, UH, UH, YESTERDAY.
UM, WE HAD A GREAT DISCUSSION, UM, I TO ALLOW TO HAVE REACHED OUT AND ALSO AGAIN, SAID IF THERE'S ANYTHING THEY COULD DO, UM, THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO HELP AND STUFF.
WE HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION AND, UM, LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING TOGETHER AND CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR NEW ROLE OR COMMOTION OR LATERAL, YOU KNOW, HOW THINGS ARE GOING RIGHT NOW.
I'M USED TO MULTIPLE HATS SHOULDERS.
I DEFINITELY LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ALL MOVING DIDN'T YOU ALL HAVE SOME TYPE OF NINE O'CLOCK NEWS LISA THIS MORNING.
WAS IT THEIR EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE? YEAH, THE EDA DID MEET THIS MORNING, CAME ALMOST STRAIGHT FROM THERE, SOMETHING BY THE OFFICE REAL QUICK, BUT YEAH, THEIR EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE DID MEET THIS.
ALSO HAVE, UM, WERE YOU HERE YESTERDAY? THE LAST MEETING I FORGOT.
AND KATHLEEN, YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF? SURE.
UM, WANTING EVERYONE, UM, KATHY ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER, AND I'M ACTUALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FORWARD OPERATING DEPARTMENTS FOR THE TOWN.
SO PUBLIC WORKS, ENERGY SERVICES, UM, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY AND, AND, UH, LAND USE ZONING AND PLANNING, UH, WITH, UH, WITH MS. KAPINSKY AS WELL.
SO, I MEAN, I LOOK FORWARD TO, I HAVE ABOUT 25 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT RANGING FROM BEING AN ASSISTANT TO THE
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TOWN MANAGER, TO ACTUALLY BEING A TOWN MANAGER, WORKING ON STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT ALL THE WAY.I RECENTLY WORKED FOR LOUDON COUNTY, AS WELL AS THE DEPARTMENT OF RAIL AND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
SO ANYWAY, SO WHAT THAT SAID, WELL, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO TO NUMBER TWO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, HAVE A MOTION, OR IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION? ALL RIGHT.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE THE DRAFT BYLAWS.
UM, I SHARED THE BYLAWS WITH EVERYONE.
MAINLY WHAT I DID WAS TRIED TO REFLECT SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
I ALSO HOPE THAT YOU ALL HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT ONCE THE WAY I LIKE TO DO THINGS.
AND THEN YOU ALL SHARE WHAT YOU THINK WE SHOULD PUT IN HERE, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE LEGAL REVIEW IT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, IF WE COULD DO IT AND WORDSMITH THAT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND SO I FEEL THAT IT'S REALLY BETTER THAT WE DO OUR PART INSTEAD OF HAVING LEGAL, DO IT AND GO BACK AND FORTH.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS THE DOCUMENT.
I TAKE THE WORD DOCUMENT, ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO BRING UP, OR YOU WANT TO MAKE CHANGES, MAKE THOSE CHANGES ALL TOGETHER, SEND IT OUT, AND THEN ALSO HAVE A LEGAL REVIEW AT EITHER GEORGE OR JIM CORNWELL IS WITH YOU.
IT'S STILL THE IDEA THAT CREATING AN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE THAT'S AMONG YOU ALL AT FIRST, WE SAW LAST WEEK SAYING, WELL, DO WE REALLY NEED ONE? BECAUSE HE THOUGHT, I'M NOT PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH THAT EVERYTHING SHOULD BE DISCUSSED AS A GROUP.
NOW, NOT REALLY HAVING A SIDEBAR CONVERSATION PRESENTATION.
SHE KIND OF SAID THE SAME THING.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO GET CONSENSUS ON THAT.
AND THE WAY I WORK IS NOT REALLY NECESSARILY, IS THAT WHAT WE KEEP IN MIND.
YOU CAN ALWAYS THE LAST PAGE, YOU CAN ALWAYS AMEND THEM DOWN THE ROAD.
I, I GUESS I STATED LAST TIME, IT JUST TO REFRESH ME, WE'RE REALLY SMALL AND I'M NOT, UNLESS WE'RE LIKE IN YOUR POSITION, WHICH ISN'T IN OUR PURVIEW ANYWAY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? UH THAT'S TO ME, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE HAS A REPORT, THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, AND PLUS WE'RE JUST WARMING.
SO I THINK, I THINK EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE RIGHT HERE.
THESE ARE YOUR BOTTLE AND WE CAN REVISIT IT.
AND THEN A FEW YEARS OR A YEAR FROM NOW, OR WHENEVER IT MAKES SENSE, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEES ARE PRETTY NOW THE REST OF YOU GUYS.
I LIKE THAT IDEA BETTER ASSIGNED IN HERE.
AND WITH THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE SECRETARY, JUST BEING TAKING MINUTES, MEETING MINUTES, TREASURER FIRST, I'M NOT SURE THAT WON'T NECESSARILY BE HANDLING ANY MONEY FOR THAT.
JUST TO BE ABLE TO AN ADVISORY.
MY UNDERSTANDING LAST CHAIRMAN, THE VICE CHAIRMAN, AND KIND OF THE SAME SIMILAR MODEL, THE COUNTY OPERATE, WE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY SAY YOU DON'T HAVE STAFF, YOU HAVE RESOURCES MANAGE ALL THE OTHER BEHIND THE TECHNICAL STUFF.
YOU ALL FEEL THAT YOU'RE MORE SELF-SUFFICIENT REMEMBER KEEPING ANY OVERHEAD LOW WHILE THE BYLAWS LINE UP WITH A PRESENTATION AT THE LAST MEETING FROM STANDPOINT OF MEETING AREN'T WE SUPPOSED TO BE AN INDEPENDENT PERSON.
YOU, YOU ARE, UM, YOU ARE IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF LOCALITIES HAVE A MODEL SIMILAR TO WARREN COUNTY WHERE NOW THEY HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER AND NO LONGER THAT EDA HAS AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
I KNOW JMC THE COUNTIES LIKE THAT.
I KNOW, I THINK WINCHESTER IS LIKE THAT, BUT YOU COULD HAVE AN EDA ONCE YOU BECOME SELF-SUFFICIENT, IF YOU REALLY FEEL THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE MEANS TO HIRE A FULL-TIME PERSON, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, AMBITIOUS GOAL RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, EVEN, EVEN IN HER PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, WHILE YOU'RE INDEPENDENT BODY, UH, SHE
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MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AREAS WHERE THE COUNTY OR THE CITY PROVIDES THE ECONOMIC MANAGERS.SO LET'S, IT SEEMS TO ME THEN THAT THE BYLAWS NEED TO REFLECT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
RIGHT? STRIKE OUT EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
DO WE NEED TO ADD IN ANYTHING THEN ABOUT, UM, WHAT'S THE COMMITMENT FROM THE CITY STAFF, RIGHT? CAUSE OTHERWISE IT STATES HERE IT'S IN HERE, YOU KNOW, I FORGOT WHERE IT WAS, BUT IT STATES THAT WE WILL PROVIDE PRETTY MUCH THE, THE MINUTES, THE FINANCE RESOURCES, YOU ALL NEED ANY INFORMATION? UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT VERSION I PAID AT THIS POINT, TYPICALLY.
WHERE DOES THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE ARTICLE NINE ARTICLES, ARTICLE THREE, ARTICLE THREE, NINE SAYS BOARD OF DIRECTORS SHALL HAVE PREPARE DELEGATE CONFIDENTIAL REPORTS, SUBMISSION MALLS, AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, AND THESE, THIS, UM, JUST KEEP IN MIND, THESE BYLAWS CAME FROM MOORE COUNTY EDA AND JUST TWEAKED IT TO ACCOMMODATE OURS.
UM, THERE IS AN AREA THAT, WHERE STAFF WILL TALK ABOUT ALL THIS IMPORTANT STUFF AND THEN GO AHEAD AND DO THE MINUTES.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL HAVE TO DELEGATE SOME OF THE DUDE AT THE MINUTES, BUT RIGHT NOW IN FOUR OR FIVE THAT SAYS, TOM WILL PROVIDE RESOURCES FOR PREPARATION OF THE MINUTES, BUT THERE'S SOME DISCUSSIONS.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DO WE, UH, DO WE FEEL THAT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD STILL CONTINUE? OR DO YOU FEEL IF YOU ALL, HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT? REALLY BUSY.
I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO TAKE JOHNSON CENTER.
I MEAN, UNLESS THERE'S A STATUTORY REASON FOR TAKING THAT.
NO, IT WAS JUST AGAIN, SO WE CAN WE'LL LOOK AT THAT UNTIL THE TIME COMES, I GUESS, MINUTES.
I MEAN, I'LL PROBABLY PLAY A ROLE BECAUSE, OR WHO, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, CAUSE YOU KNOW, I TAKE NOTES AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WITH LIKE THE, JUST THE AGENDA.
I'LL KEEP IN MIND THAT THE MINUTES ARE JUST EXCERPTS OF OUR DISCUSSION.
IT DOESN'T REALLY GO INTO THE DETAILS.
IF YOU COULD SEE, IS THIS ONE PAGE AND AS FAR AS THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, I MEAN, YOU COULD SAY MAY FORM AN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE RATHER THAN STRIKE THAT PARAGRAPH THAT IT'S IN THERE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, AT THEIR DISCRETION OR WHATEVER, I THINK THAT'S, UH, RATHER THAN HAVING TO TRY AND GET IT BACK IN, IF IT'S IN THERE TO BEGIN WITH, I KEPT FOUND IT HERE NOW, BUT YEAH, RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST STATING UPON THE ADOPTION BY THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
I MEAN THE LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW IS NOT REQUIRING IT AND LEAVES THE OPTION OPEN THAT WOULD GET THEM.
THERE IS A TOOL TO USE IN A FUTURE DATE OR WOULDN'T WANT IT.
I MEAN, IF IT DOESN'T SAY AT A TIME, I AGREE WITH THAT.
I MEAN, BYLAWS, WE SHOULDN'T AMEND THEM VERY OFTEN.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS ALWAYS TOLD AGAIN.
LOOK THROUGH IT, MAKE COMMENTS WHAT'S WRONG.
I THINK THEY LOOK, ONE OF THE THINGS I CAME AWAY WITH FROM THE LAST MEETING, THINKING OF A, WE'RE ALREADY THREE MONTHS TO ONE YEAR MYSELF, AND I'M NOT SURE WHO THE OTHER WAS.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS, THAT WAS WISE IN THE FIRST WOMAN TO BE HERE.
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I MEAN THE IDEA THAT BY THE TIME, BY THE TIME WE REALLY GET ANYTHING GOING TO PEOPLE WILL BE GONE.THEN YOU COULD START A FOUR YEAR TIME WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT.
NOT TO GO IN THE DETAILS OF NOT NECESSARILY HERE, BUT THERE WERE SOME THAT SAID, WELL, LET'S SEE HOW IT GOES.
AND THE TIME COMMITMENT IS NO, THAT MAKES SENSE.
I JUST, I WAS JUST SORT OF LIKE AFTER I, IT WAS SORT OF A LOT TO TAKE IN AND I THOUGHT BY THE TIME YOU BRING SOMEBODY NEW ON THAT, THE SPEED, AND THIS IS JUST FORMING AT THE MOMENT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT MIGHT BE DIFFICULT TO KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, GET TRACTION.
WE'LL GIVE YOU YOUR ONE-YEAR EVALUATION AND THAT'S FINE.
I'M HAPPY WITH THAT HALFWAY AT SIX MONTHS.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO ON TO THE OTHER ONE.
SO THE WORD DOCUMENT I'LL COME.
I MEAN, I SEE A COUPLE OF LITTLE TINY CHANGES BETTER THAN ME TRYING TO GATHER EVERYTHING HERE BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
WE'RE READY FOR A COMPREHENSIVE OVERVIEW.
SO WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? SURE.
UH, WHAT SORT OF INSURANCE DO WE HAVE? DIRECTOR'S INSURANCE.
UH, IT NEEDS TO BE PUT IN PLACE.
SO, YOU KNOW, TYPE OF COVERAGE, MAYBE DECISIONS, BUT YOU KNOW, TYPE COVERAGE OR AN EMISSION TYPE COVERAGE.
SO YEAH, IT WORKS OVER HERE AND I CAN ACTUALLY SHOW YOU THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
ANOTHER ONE Y'ALL KNOW, BACK IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER LAST YEAR, WE SIGNED THE CONTRACT WITH SUMMIT ENGINEERING TO REDO THE COMP PLAN AND OUR, UM, CHAPTER 1 75 AND 1 48 OF OUR TOWN CODES.
SO THAT'S THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, RESPECTIVELY ON OUR HOME PAGE, WE HAVE ON THE BACK REAL QUICK, YOU CAN SEE IT.
WE HAVE A BUTTON HERE, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES, CLICK THIS.
THIS IS OUR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PORTAL.
SO THIS IS WHERE WE HAD PUT THE SURVEY.
UM, HAD A MAP WHERE THIS INTERACTIVE MAP, WHERE PEOPLE CAN CLICK ON IT AND UM, JUST SHOW, PUT LITTLE PINS ON AREAS OF CONCERN.
IF YOU'VE GOT A TRAFFIC CONCERNS, PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES NEEDED BICYCLE AMENITIES, THESE ARE ALL OF THE ICONS THAT PEOPLE COULD PLACE AROUND TOWN.
AND SO AT THIS POINT, THE MAP IS STILL GOING TO SURVEYS, BEEN COMPLETED.
UM, SUMMIT HAS, THEY'RE STARTING TO PUT TOGETHER THE, UM, REPORT ON THE SURVEY DATA, THIS DATA FOR US.
AND BY THE END OF APRIL, BEGINNING OF MAY, WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING A SESSION WITH AN ACTUAL DRAFT OF THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND ONCE WE GET THAT DRAFT APPROVED, THE NEXT STEPS WILL BE, UM, GETTING A FUTURE LAND.
THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU ALL TO KNOW, BECAUSE THAT GIVES US ROUNDS FOR WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND WANTS TO RESELL AND SAY, OKAY, IF YOU WANT TO GO FROM AGRICULTURAL TO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WE LOOK AT THE COMP
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PLAN THAT FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR CHILDHOOD IS THIS WHAT IS IN LINE WITH WE SEE WHETHER OR, UM, AND THEN WE'VE ALSO GOT A VISION STATEMENT.AND I THOUGHT IN HERE, PEOPLE CAN JUST, UH, BASICALLY WRITE A PHRASE.
WHAT IS YOUR IDEAL WHEN YOU'RE MAKING WHAT YOU WANT TO BRING INTO THIS HOUSE? WE NEED ANOMIC STANDPOINT THAT IS IN LINE WITH THE 20, 30 YEAR LONGTERM GOAL FOR THE CITIZEN.
UM, ONCE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, IF ADOPTED, HOPEFULLY JUNE, JULY OF THIS YEAR STARTS WORKING ON THE ACTUAL ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE THREE, RIGHT? YOU GUYS MADE ANY KIND OF INTERACTIVE CARDS LIKE YOU DID WITH THE SURVEY LIKE YOU DID WITH THE PUBLIC THAT ARE POST IT'LL TAKE YOU RIGHT TO HERE.
SO THAT'LL GIVE THEM THE OPTION TO PARTICIPATE IN MATH AND THAT VISION STATEMENT, EXERCISE, ANY COMMENTS ON PARTICIPATION SO FAR? OH, I CAN ACTUALLY SHOW THEM THE WAY THIS WORKS.
I THINK WE CAN JUST GET SOME PEOPLE HAVE RESPONDED.
IT'LL TELL ME, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE 330 RESPONSES, SO THAT'S QUESTION EACH QUESTION.
IT TELLS YOU THEIR RESPONSES, THEN IT GIVES YOU THE BREAKDOWN.
UM, AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO WHERE YOU GET SOME SUBSTANDARD, AND THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT DOES THE FOLLOWING ITEMS FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT? SO JOB CREATION, THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS, UH, PARKING AVAILABILITY, THAT WASN'T AS IMPORTANT.
IT, WASN'T VERY IMPORTANT THAT, UM, THIS IS BASED ON THOSE 300 PEOPLE.
THAT'S FINE MENTORED 61 RESPONDENTS HERE.
AND THEN HERE, THIS IS WHERE WE GOT COMMENTS AND THE WAY THIS WORKS AS WHEN PEOPLE WOULD LOG IN AND START WRITING HIS COMMENTS, PEOPLE COULD LIKE THE COMMENTS.
SO THE MORE, THE MORE PEOPLE THAT AGREED WITH THE COMMENT, IT WOULD PUSH IT TO THE TOP.
SO WHEN THEY START GOING THROUGH THE REPORT, THE FAVORITE COMMENTS ARE THE MOST LIKED.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE AT THE TOP.
AND THEN IT FILTERS ALL THE WAY DOWN AND THIS RESPONSIBLE GROWTH.
DO YOU KNOW HOW TO TURN OUR BEAUTIFUL COMMITTEE COMMUNITY INTO AN OVERPOPULATED CITY? LIKE MORE THAN VIRGINIA? UM, THIS WAS THE MOST POPULAR COMMENTS.
SMALL TOWN FEEL CONTINUED, BEAUTIFICATION EFFORTS, UTILITIES, AFFORDABLE, THAT TYPE OF THING.
YOU KNOW, IT ASKS YOU, YOU WISH WE HAD MORE OF ALL OF THIS WILL BE PUT INTO SMOKE SHOPS.
AND A LOT OF THESE WERE, UM, IT HAD A FILTER.
SO IF THERE WAS ANY PROFANITY OR ANYTHING, JUST WHOLLY INAPPROPRIATE, IT WAS REAL TOUGH FOR OUR FUTURE.
SMALL TOWN CHARM MAKES ME IN A RURAL CHARACTER, SMALL TOWN COMMUNITY GIRL WAS A TOURISM INDUSTRY, LOCAL BUSINESSES.
SO ALL OF THIS INPUT WILL THEN BE COMPILED AND THEN IT'LL JUST BE PUT THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHAPTER.
SO THE STATE REQUIRES THAT WE HAVE PROVISIONS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BROADBAND INFRASTRUCTURE, TRANSPORTATION.
AND I THINK THERE'S A NEW ONE THAT WAS ADDED IN LAST YEAR AND THAT'S LIKE, UM, MANUFACTURED HOUSING.
UM, BUT THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS OPTIONAL, BUT ENCOURAGED TO BE INCLUDED IN THERE.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT PARK SPACE OR, UM, UTILITIES, THAT TYPE OF THING.
WE JUST HAVE A TIME LIMIT ON IT ON ONE ANSWERING ALL THIS STUFF.
LIKE, ARE YOU PUTTING IT LIKE HOW YOU DID WITH THE SURVEY OR YOU'RE PUTTING A CAP ON THE FEEDBACK, EVERYBODY SWORD.
SO THE FEEDBACK FOR THE MATH, THAT'S CLOSING DOWN THAT THEY'RE
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ACTIVELY STARTING TO WRITE.WE'VE GOT A, IT'S GOT A SKELETON PLAN KIND OF WRITTEN OUT NOW AND THEY'RE ADDING INTO THE DIFFERENT CONTENT.
SO THEY WILL CLOSE THIS FAIRLY SOON.
THAT ENTERS US INTO THE NEXT PHASE OF PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT, WHICH IS THE IN PERSON MEETINGS.
SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND DO IS HAVE THEM TAKE ON A FRIDAY AND THEN A SATURDAY.
AND THAT WAY PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING AND COME TO THE SATURDAY ONE, HAD A PRETTY GOOD TURNOUT WITH THE SURVEY WITH THESE ONLINE PLATFORMS. AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT PERSON, PARTICIPATION IS ALSO COUNTED IN THAT.
NOW WE WANT TO GET TO THAT 10%.
IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS, YOU GO OVER THE ELEMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW.
SO THE ELEMENTS WERE WHEN I SAID THAT TRANSPORTATION AFFORDABLE HOUSING OUT OF THE BROADBAND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED TO SEEK HER SISTER SHALL BE INCLUDED.
UM, BEYOND THAT, I THINK WE ARE GOING TO HAVE, UM, THE OLD ONE HAD A CHAPTER FUTURE LAND USE MAP WILL BE IN THERE.
WE'LL HAVE THAT ECONOMIC DIVIDE, THAT'LL BE A CHAPTER.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE, UH, LIKE OPEN SPACE TRAILS, THAT TYPE OF THING.
THAT'LL ALL BE INCLUDED IN HERE.
AND THEN THE TIMELINE AGAIN IS WE ENTIRE REWRITE OF EVERYTHING WILL BE WRAPPED UP BY FEBRUARY OF 2023.
THEY'RE STARTING THEIR COMP PLAN DRAFT.
NOW, HOPEFULLY THAT'LL BE COMPLETELY APPROVED BY THIS FALL.
AND THEN WE'RE CONCURRENTLY STARTING THE ZONE, LET ENGINEERING, I THINK THERE'S BRANCHES, THAT'S THE FIRM THAT HAD A PLANNING.
SO THEY'VE GOT A PLANNING DIVISION AND YEARS AGO, I THINK THEY, UM, HELPED PUT TOGETHER SOME DOCUMENTS WHEN THEY LOOKED AT SOME CHANGES TO THE DOWNTOWN MAIN STREET.
SO THEY, THEY ALREADY HAVE LARGE GIS MAPS.
NO, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANT TO SHARE IS THE COUNTY'S DOING THEIR COMP PLAN AS WELL.
AND, UM, THERE WILL BE SOME COORDINATION WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND ALSO HOPEFULLY SOME OF THE ZONING.
YES, BECAUSE THOSE ARE GOING TO BE THE URBAN GROWTH AREAS THAT, UM, YOU STILL ON THE FRINGES OF THE TOWN IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE COORDINATING WITH THE COUNTY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLAN IS ALIGNED SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S OPPOSITE OF WHAT THEIR LONG-TERM PLAN IS FOR THOSE AREAS.
AND SO I THINK OUR THOUGHT IS THAT I TELL FOLKS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT DOING THE CHANGE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ADAPTING TO THE CHANGE NO MATTER WHAT THE MARKET IS CHANGING.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, LAST, UH, COMP PLAN WAS IN 1998.
AND SO I WILL TELL YOU, THIS COMP PLAN WILL BE FOCUSED ON THE CHARACTER, THE PILL, THE TOWN, AND STILL THE KEY THING IS TO KEEP THAT, UH, KIND OF THAT HOMETOWN FEELING.
BUT ALSO WE WILL BE REQUIRING A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, QUALITY DEVELOPMENT, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE STANDARDS.
UH, AND AS A RESULT, IT IS GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE A DIFFERENT CHANGE ON HOW DEVELOPMENT HAS OCCURRED HERE.
IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE GOING TO, UH, REGULATE TOO MUCH, BUT THE CHANGE IS GOING TO ALSO FOCUS ON HOW WE WANT TO TARGET CERTAIN AREAS WHERE MORE OF AGGRESSIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE LAND WE DO HAVE, OR EXISTING WITH HIM, UH, THE REDEVELOPMENT DEANS.
UM, AND THEN ALSO WHEN HOMES ARE DEVELOPED, UH, KIND OF HAVE A DIFFERENT STYLE OF HOW THE SUBDIVISIONS LOOK AND THE ENTRYWAYS AND STUFF.
SO IT IS GOING TO BE A PLAN THAT THAT IS A TRUE VISION OF HOW WE WANT TO LOVE TO WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY ARE OUR ZONING AND OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE ARE GOING
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TO TALK TO EACH OTHER AND IT'S GOING TO, IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY, UH, HAVE A, HAVE A DIFFERENT, UM, REQUIREMENT THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE WAY IT IS NOW.AND I THINK IT'S ONLY FOR THE GOOD OF THE TOWN WITH THE QUALITY AND MANAGING SOMEWHAT HOW WE DEVELOP AND HOW WE DEVELOP.
SO WE WON'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE, UH, TO URBANIZE, UM, AND TO SOME EXTENT.
SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, UM, INTERACTIONS WITH MOREN AND, UM, AND THE SUMMIT WILL BE FAST AND RETRIEVE WHEN I WILL BE DECIDED ABOUT IT BECAUSE THE ECONOMIC ELEMENT IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE, UH, SOMEWHAT IN Y'ALL'S COURT.
UM, AND TRY TO REVIEW THE ELEMENT, GIVE SOME FEEDBACK ON THE ELEMENT AND HOW WE WANT TO GO, UH, TARGET, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF OUR OVERALL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND WHY PEOPLE MAY WANT TO DO BUSINESS HERE OR BRING BUSINESS OR GROW THEIR BUSINESS HERE IS HOW, UH, THE OVERALL TOWN LOOKS.
AND SO I KNOW WHILST WE'RE FOCUSING ON SOME KEY FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED WHEN IT COMES TO CERTAIN TYPE OF CONVENIENCE STORES AND, AND VAPES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, NOW, THE DIFFERENCE IS WE'RE NOT RESTRICTING PER SE THOSE TYPE GROWTH OF DEVELOPMENT HERE, BUT WE WILL BE SOMEHOW LOOKING AT WAYS TO MAKE SURE THE APPEARANCE OF HOW THEY LOOK, UH, REFLECTS A, A MORE OF A HISTORICAL, YOU KNOW, OVERALL WHERE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A LAS VEGAS STRIP WHEN YOU GO DOWN.
AND SO AGAIN, THAT DIEBACK FROM HOW YOU ALL SEE THINGS IS VERY, VERY VALUABLE AND IT STOPPED.
SO I DON'T WANT TO UNDERESTIMATE HOW IMPORTANT THAT ELEMENT IT'S GOING TO BE AND HOW IT TALKS WITH ALL THE OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN.
AND SO WHEN WE DID, UH, INTERVIEWS AND ALSO TALKED ABOUT IT, I MEAN, THIS COMP PLAN IS GOING TO BE A BIG PIECE WITH THIS GROUP AND, AND, AND KINDA, IT'S GOING TO TOUCH ON ALL ELEMENTS.
SO LAUREN AND US, WE'LL CONTINUE TO KEEP YOU UP TO DATE.
UH, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE JUST SO MUCH DATE AS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU ALL TO SAY, WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND ACTUALLY PROVIDE MEAT TO IT.
YOU KIND OF, YOU HELPED BRING IT INTO FRUITION.
SO YOUR ACTIONS KIND, THE INDUSTRIES THAT YOU URGE TO COME INTO TOWN, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, YOU MAKE THE COMPLEX AND HAPPEN.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING AND THE SUB DIVISION LEVEL LOWER, WHERE ARE WE DOING THAT CHAPTER? THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL, WHAT THAT PARCEL LOOKS LIKE, THE ZONING IS WHAT YOU CAN DO THERE.
AND THEN THE COMP PLAN IS THE OVERALL VISION FOR THE CAMP.
YOU ALREADY HAVE IN MIND, SOME, UH, SOME BEST PRACTICES OR TIES OF SIMILAR SIZE THAT HAVE DONE THINGS WELL AND NOT SO WELL.
UM, I DON'T, I MEAN, I ASSIGNED YOU TO FRAME THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
UM, ARE YOU WANTING CASE STUDIES? IS THAT A CONFERENCE CLASS THAT ARE SIMILAR TO FRONT ROYAL? OR ARE YOU TALKING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WISE? LIKE WHAT INDUSTRIES TO BRING IN TO THE TOWN OF THIS SIZE, UH, IN, IN TIME THAT COMP PLAN TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S TANGIBLE FOR US TO PUSH FOR, OR, OR TRY TO ENCOURAGE, RIGHT.
I MEAN, YOU CAN'T HAVE SUCCESS STORIES IN OTHER COMMUNITIES SIMILAR TO OURS, WHERE THEY DECIDED 20 YEARS AGO TO MAKE A LITTLE TWEAK AND, AND THEN, AND GOOD RESULTS, HOW IT TURNED OUT.
I I'M, I LOVE TO THINK THAT I THINK OF NEW IDEAS SOMETIMES, BUT I THINK IT'S PRETTY RARE THAT I ACTUALLY DO RIGHT.
I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY REINVENT THE WHEEL HERE.
RIGHT? LET ME GIVE YOU TWO EXAMPLES.
I HOPE THAT MAYBE ONE OF THEM, JAMES CITY COUNTY, AS PART OF THE COMP PLAN UPDATE, WE CREATED WHAT THEY CALLED ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES THOUGH.
AND IT WAS A NEW ZONING THAT SPECIFICALLY, THIS IS WHERE I'M TALKING, THAT THAT CREATED AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, KIND OF LIKE A CAMPUS SETTING.
AND WE HAD A FLAVOR OF, YOU KNOW, A COMBINATION OF OFFICE COMMERCIAL, NOT INDUSTRIAL, AND THEN A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THEN ALSO IT'S KIND OF A PLAN, YOU'D HAVE DEVELOPMENT.
AND WHEN WE WOULD HAVE THAT PARTICULAR ONE, I AM WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
WE ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH KIND OF A REFINERY CONCEPT OF HOW THEY WANTED US.
AND SO WITH THAT, AS PART OF THE COMP PLAN, WE HAD A VISION OF HOW THAT WAS GOING TO LOOK.
NOW, IT MAY BE TWEAKED A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE EVEN
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HAD CONCEPTS WHERE WE FELT WHERE THE ROAD WAS GONE, GO.WE HAD A RAILROAD TRACK, HOW WE WERE GOING TO ADJUST TO THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT LAID OUT AND IT WAS KIND OF A VISUAL IN THE COMP PLAN THAT ALSO INVOLVED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT WE SAID, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE COMMERCIAL OFFICE BUILDINGS HERE.
NOW, BDA, HOW DO WE GO GET THE FUCKS? AND THEN THAT'S WHERE THEY WERE INVOLVED.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAD A SIMILAR ONE IN NORTH CAROLINA WHERE WE HAD A 450 ACRES WHO WAS WHERE THE JR RIGGINS WAS THAT CIGARETTE PLACE ON 95.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL EVER WENT DOWN THERE.
WELL, WE BOUGHT THAT LAND AND WE ALSO MADE THAT A PART OF WHILE WE UPDATE THE ZONING SPECIFICALLY ZONING, JUST TO MAKE THAT SUCCESSFUL AND PREDICTABLE.
AND THEN WE PACKAGED THAT AREA, THAT THE ECONOMIC GROUP AND WE MARKET IT.
I MEAN, WE ACTUALLY WENT OUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR AND SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT THIS PIECE OF LAND.
IF YOU'RE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF US IN PROPOSALS AND STUFF, BUT WE PARTNER WITH THE OWNERS AND WE WERE JUST THE FOLKS WHO KIND OF PUSHED IT.
AND WE PRETTY MUCH, THAT'S WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LAND.
IT WAS ZONED SPECIFICALLY, IF YOU CAME IN, THIS IS WHAT WE EXPECT.
AND WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM WITH ALREADY KIND OF THE PROFITS PROFFERS WE WERE THINKING ABOUT DOING.
SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF PRACTICE YET WITH, WE HAVE IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE NOW WE'VE NOT MET, WE'VE GOT A MIXED USE.
SO, UM, DESIGNED FOR MIXED USE COMMERCIAL.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE PMD, WHICH IS OUR PLANNED NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE RESTRAINT THAT ARE THAT 20 ACRE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR THAT SONY.
SO WE ACTUALLY ONLY HAVE LIKE ONE PARCEL IN TOWN.
THAT'S OWNED P AND D WHERE YOU CAN HAVE KIND OF THAT MIXTURE OF HOUSING TYPES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I TO LISTEN TO WHEN YOU, UM, WHEN WE START WANTING TO GET INTO THE AESTHETICS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AS PART OF THE ZONING RELAY RECOMMENDATIONS, ONE BASE COAT AND THE FORM BASED CODE, WHAT THAT DOES IS THE, LIKE WHAT STEVEN WAS SAYING EARLIER, THEY USE SO MUCH DOESN'T MATTER.
SO YOU CAN HAVE A VAPE STORE, BUT YOU REGULATE THE APPEARANCE OF IT SO THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON THE OUTSIDE.
AND THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT DISCRIMINATING IT FOR ANY BUSINESS.
AND YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY BEING BUSINESS FRIENDLY.
IT'S WE CARE ABOUT WHAT FLEXIBILITY LONG-TERM ARE MUCH BETTER THAN TWO VAPE SHOPS.
AREN'T ALWAYS FADE SHOPS, STOREFRONTS ON OUR HALLWAY.
NOW YOU'D HAVE LIKE A CHECKLIST.
IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THE PLANS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS TYPE OF BUILDING MATERIAL THERE.
SO LET ME THE CHALLENGE WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE UP TO THE COMP PLAN AS A SANDERS AND ZOE, I'M SURE WHEN YOU ALL TRAVEL, YOU'LL GO TO DIFFERENT CHARITIES OR ANOTHER COMMUNITY.
AND THE WALL WALL DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A WALL AND YOU SEE WHY THE SEVEN 11 IN THIS COMMUNITY, UM, THE, UH, EVEN THE HOME DEPOT DON'T LOOK LIKE THE HOME DEPOT AS YOU SEE THE HOME DEPOT OR THE SHOTGUNS, THERE'S SOMEWHAT A THEME THROUGHOUT THAT DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE AREA FROM AN ECONOMIC AND A BUSINESS OWNER, THE CHALLENGE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, THE PERCEPTION MAY BE, WELL, THAT'S NOT BUSINESS FRIENDLY.
Y'ALL ARE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL COST BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS ABOUT RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
AND BY HAVING THOSE ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND MATERIAL, OBVIOUSLY IT MAY COST A LOT MORE, BUT WE, AS A COMMUNITY GOT INTO SIDE BUSINESS FRIENDLY IS AFTER EVERYTHING GETS APPROVED, IT'S GOING TO BE STREAMLINED PREDICTABLE.
AND WE'RE GOING TO GET YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS.
BUSINESS REALLY DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO COME IN AND BUILD EVERYTHING.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS, BUT THERE, BUT YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.
AND THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS IS THE PART THAT YOU ALL NEED TO PROVIDE INPUT ON, ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO BUILD A GROCERY STORE.
YOU HAVE THE RIGHTS TO DO AS A PRODUCT, BUT OUR DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS IS WE WANT IT TO KIND OF LOOK LIKE THIS AS A FIELD, MAYBE HAVE EVY OF PARKING SPOTS FOR ELECTRICAL VEHICLES DOWN THE ROAD.
SO THAT'S THE PART THAT, UM, IT'S GONNA PROBABLY BE THAT THEY'VE CHANGED.
AND THE COMP PLAN IS WHEN NEW BUSINESSES COME OR EXISTING BUSINESSES, THERE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT EXPECTATIONS ON THE STANDARD.
AND WE CAN KIND OF CONTROL THE AESTHETICS.
YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S STILL WANTS TO DEVELOP, WE STILL WANT TO HAVE THAT MAJOR.
AND WHATEVER THAT THEME IS THAT WE COME UP WITH.
SO NOT TOO MANY, UH, INDIVIDUALS OR BOARDS OR EVEN
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COUNCIL OR ANYONE PLANNING, COMMISSION, STAFF GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO REWRITE A COMP PLAN.I MEAN, YOUR THUMBPRINT REALLY ON THERE, THEY HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO UPDATE THEM, WANTS TO ONE STOP, BUT VERY RARELY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE BILL IS A POLICE HEADQUARTERS.
I WAS PARKED WAS OVER THERE, RARELY POLICE NOW.
AND THAT'S LIKE A, A BIG THING WHEN IT COMES TO ONE'S CAREER AND YOU ALL ARE GOING TO BE PART OF A REWRITE ON THAT'S GOING TO HAVE SET THE VISION FOR 30 YEARS.
SO ONE THING THAT I'D LIKE TO JUST KIND OF TALK ABOUT IS WHILE WATCHING THAT IS THE BIG THING I KNOW IT'S BEEN A STRUGGLE FOR THE TOWN IS, IS THE FEEDBACK, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM THE PEOPLE IN THE TOWN.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU WERE GOING THROUGH THE SURVEY, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY.
UM, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, AS I WAS GOING THROUGH TRYING TO HAND OUT THOSE CARDS FOR YOU AND, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN, CAUSE I KNOW FEEDBACK IS WHAT GIVES US, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES US ALL THE KNOWLEDGE.
WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO, RIGHT.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S NOT MY PLAN, IT'S THE TOWN'S PLAN.
AND SO LIKE, I'D REALLY LOVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOME MORE CARDS FROM YOU OR TO GET SOME MORE OPPORTUNITY.
CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE WE COULD BE HANDING OUT AS BUSINESS OWNERS TO GET SOME MORE OF THAT FEEDBACK.
CAUSE IF IT IS THAT PERTINENT THAT WE, THAT WE SET THAT THAT'S THAT FIRST STONE IN FRONT OF US FOR 30 YEARS, I'D LIKE TO REALLY HAVE THE COMMUNITY BACKING AND AT LEAST HAVE SOME BETTER KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AS WELL.
UM, CAUSE IT IS A BUSINESS MINDSET WITH A COMMUNITY, WITH A COMMUNITY FEEL.
SO, UM, LIKE I'D LOVE TO KNOW WHEN THAT TIMELINE IS GOING TO END, YOU KNOW, AND THEN I'D LOVE TO KNOW HOW I CAN HELP SUPPORT IT WITH EFFORT TO AT LEAST GET SOME OF THAT, PUT YOUR DEADLINES ON THE CARDS.
MAYBE THEY WERE ON THE FIRST ONES.
BUT IF WE'RE, IF, TO FRANK'S POINT, IF WE ARE GOING TO BE A MAJOR PART OF THIS REWRITE OR AT LEAST A CONTRIBUTING PART, UM, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET COMMUNITY BUY IN.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT'S WHAT THE TOWN WANTS, RIGHT? WE ARE SHOOTING FOR A MINIMUM 10%, BUT YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO EXCEED THAT GOAL BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE PEOPLE THAT DON'T, DIDN'T COMMENT THERE.
THEY'RE GOING TO SHOW UP AT YOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND, AND THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT, THEY MAY NOT LIKE SOME OF THEM WE'VE SAID A LOT 10% IS A LOFTY GOAL.
TYPICALLY PLANNING, IF YOU GET THREE OR 4%, THAT'S YOUR SIDE.
AND THE OTHER ISSUE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF FEEDBACK, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF GROUPS IN TOWN THAT WE HAVE HAD NO FEEDBACK FROM.
SO PART OF THIS PROCESS, YOU WANT FEEDBACK FROM ALL INCOME LEVELS AND NOT JUST THE SAME GROUPS.
CAUSE THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A PLAN TUNNEL VISION A LITTLE BIT.
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTIVE ALL THE TIME AND THEN THERE'S EVERYBODY ELSE.
I'M HAPPY TO RUN WITH FRANK'S ID AND GET ME CARDS, BOXES DOWNSTAIRS.
SO LET ME ALSO PART OF THE COMP PLAN AND THE SIGNIFICANT ROLE YOU ALL PLAY IS, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS A TOWN, WE DON'T REALLY, UM, HAD ONE PERSON MARKETING OR, OR REALLY THE BRANDING PIECE.
AND THERE'S A SAYING MARKETING IS WHEN YOU ASK A PERSON OUT, YOU'RE HOPING THEY SAY YES, BRANDING IS THE PERSON SAYS YES.
AND WHAT IT MEANS BY IS THE MARKETING PIECE WHILE IT'S GREAT.
WE WANT THE BRANDING PIECE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO COME HERE.
THEY WANT TO GO OUT WITH YOU THAT, I MEAN, IT'S NOT A STRUGGLE AND THE MARKETING PIECE IS HIT OR MISS.
IT MAY BE, THEY MAY SAY YES OR NO.
SO YOU ALL, UH, ARE THE NEXT COUNCIL, THE GROUP FOR THE TOWN, THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO GO OUT AND DO THE TOUGH WORK.
AND THAT'S THE TOUGH WORK IS TO, YOU KNOW, FIND OUT LEADS, FIND OUT WHO, WHO WANTS TO COME HERE? HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET DOWN HERE? BECAUSE YOU'RE THINKING THE TOWN, HOW DO BUSINESSES KNOW ABOUT FRONT ROYAL? THEY JUST COME HERE, RIGHT? I MEAN, SOMEHOW AND MORE, COUNTY'S DONE A GREAT JOB.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO HAVE TO, UH, MARKET THE TOWN.
UH, HOPEFULLY WE GET TO THE POINT, THE TOWN SPEAKS FOR ITSELF WHERE PEOPLE ARE KNOCKING DOWN OUR DOORS TO COME HERE.
THEY, THEY, THEY WANT TO GO OUT WITH YOU.
UH, AND SO, UH, WE GOT TO FOCUS ON THAT TOO.
AND THAT'S PART OF THAT WHOLE, UH, ECONOMIC PLAN, BUT STILL GOING TO COMPLIMENT, COMPLIMENT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
BUT THE PIECE THAT WE, WE GOT TO FOCUS ON IS WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT DO WE WANT? AND THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE TREE BECAUSE ALSO WE'VE PUT IN OUR BUDGET, UH, BJ, UM, THE ABILITY FOR A RETAIL RECRUITMENT RECRUITMENT PERSON, THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL ARE GOING TO MANAGE.
AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK MORE AT A RETREAT.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, W I COULD, IT'S ALREADY ONE O'CLOCK WE, WE THERE'S SO MUCH GOOD STUFF GOING ON,
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UM, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, UH, SOMEONE FOR YOU, ALL A PROFESSIONAL WHO HAS ALL THESE CONNECTIONS AND THEY KNOW HOW TO MARKET THE TOWN AND THAT PERSON'S GOING TO BE WORKING FOR YOU ALL TO HELP COME UP WITH RETAIL OR COMMERCIAL, WHATEVER.AND THEN YOU ALL SAY, GO GET IT.
AND THEN IT MAY REQUIRE YOU ALL TO GO TO DIFFERENT WHEREVER VIRGINIA BEACH TRADE SHOWS OR WHATEVER, TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, TELL A GOOD STORY ABOUT WHY TO COME TO FRONT ROYAL.
IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, IF WE DON'T FOCUS ON REALLY GETTING THE TYPE OF BUSINESSES WE WANT HERE AND DIVERSIFY OUR TAX BASE, WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY AND A BEDROOM COMMUNITY CANNOT PAY FOR THE SERVICES THAT WE NEED TO KEEP UP THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF TOWN.
SO, UM, I HOPE YOU DON'T THINK I'M PUTTING A LOT OF, UH, UH, PRESSURE ON YOU ALL, BUT THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE EDA.
AND, AND ONCE WE GET GOING, WE REALLY NEED YOUR, UH, REALLY TO KNOCK ON DOORS AND SAY, COME TO THE TOWN, ACTUALLY TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT POINT.
IS THERE ALREADY A PIPELINE, RIGHT? OF AT LEAST A COUPLE OF COMPANIES THAT HAVE EITHER PUTTING INQUIRIES OR ASKING? NO, NOT YET.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STUFF IN THE WORKS, UH, WITH, UH, WITH PROBABLY WITH WARREN COUNTY AND, AND, AND WE'LL PROBABLY FIND OUT IF IT HAPPENS WITHIN THE TOWN.
UM, BUT ALSO I THINK WHAT WE'LL BE DOING, UH, AT, AT A RETREAT OR ONE MEETING IS TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL THE, ALL THE LAND WE DO HAVE AVAILABLE FOR POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OR AREAS THAT ARE POTENTIALLY REDEVELOPMENT.
SO YOU ALL WILL KNOW THE EXISTING ZONING.
I THINK LAUREN BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT AT OUR NEXT COMPLIMENT.
YOU WANT TO DRILL DOWN MORE ABOUT THE ZOE PIECE AND CERTAIN AREAS THAT ARE ZONE.
SO GIVE YOU ALL A SENSE OF WHAT IT IS.
AND IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE SITE VISIT AND STUFF, WE CAN COORDINATE THAT TOO.
SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT AND FEEL IT.
WE HAVE CLOSE TO OVER A THOUSAND ACRES OF DEVELOPABLE LAND HERE, AND YOU TAKE OUT STEEP SLOPES AND SOME OF THE OTHER CONSTRAINTS LIKE FLOODWAY, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I CAN PROVIDE IT, MAP EXACTLY THAT TASK.
THEN AVATAX IS 172 ACRES FOR 70 STATES TOOK OUT LIKE FOUR OR 5% OF THE FAN THAT WASN'T A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.
ARE THERE ANY INCENTIVES IN PLACE RIGHT NOW? WE'LL, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH, UH, SOMEONE WHO CAN TELL YOU WHAT TYPE OF INCENTIVES AND THEN HOW WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT.
CAUSE IT'S, THAT'S A BROAD WORD.
AND YOU ALL GOT TO DECIDE HOW YOU WANT TO USE IT.
CENTERS AND CRITERIA IS AND HOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE CONSISTENT.
THAT'S A, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU ALL HAVE TO DECIDE ON YOUR PLATE.
I FEEL LIKE THE MORE WE GET TOGETHER IN THIS ROOM, THE MORE WE GET AN IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO START PUTTING HER FIRST FOOT FORWARD.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I'M DEFINITELY ALL IN TO HELP YOU ON THIS THOUGH.
I MEAN, WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE EVERY, EVERY DAY HAND THAT CARD OUT, LET'S DO IT.
AND THEN THAT ROLLS INTO OUR RETREAT.
UM, I SENT YOU ALL THE ORIGINAL WIDE, UH, UM, DATE AND I SENT YOU ALL, SOME ITEMS ON THERE THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AND NOT LIKE TO GO THROUGH THEM AGAIN.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PULL UP THE CALENDAR ON MARCH 8TH AT EIGHT, 8:00 AM AND YOU OPEN YOUR NOTES ALL THE WAY DOWN.
THIS WAS SOME THOUGHTS OF WHAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT AT OUR RETREAT, BUT IT IS ALSO IF WE STICK TO A SCHEDULE, WE COME IN AT EIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG YOU ALL WANT TO STAY.
UM, BUT THE THOUGHTS WERE THAT, UH, UH, MR. WILSON WOULD GIVE YOU ALL A BUDGET ONE-ON-ONE, UM, LAST NIGHT, UH, UH, FORMALIZED AND I'VE HANDED OUT, UH, MY BUDGET MESSAGE WITH THE Y 23 BUDGET.
NOW IT'S IN THE HANDS OF, OF THE, UH, COUNCIL TO, TO LOOK AT IT AND DECIDE WHAT TO DO APRIL 25TH PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UM, HOWEVER, THAT'S THE BUDGET, BUT I THINK DESPITE IF IT'S X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS, UM, UH, I JUST THOUGHT IT'D BE GOOD FOR HIM TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF HOW BUDGETS ARE DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL PONDS ENTERPRISE, THE DIFFERENCE, THE TAX RATE, HOW A WATER, SEWER, AND ELECTRIC PRAYED SPORT, UM, BECAUSE THAT MAY ALL COME AND PLAY.
IF THERE'S EVER A DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA THAT MAY, WE NEED TO PUT A PACKAGE TOGETHER TO ENTICE THEM OR SOMETHING.
SO I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, A QUICK ONE-ON-ONE, UH, OF HIS DISCUSSION
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AND MAY BE A SEMI PRESENTATION WRITTEN MAY BE VERY INFORMAL.UM, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL STEPPING INTO A ROLE, UH, THE PDA MEMBERS, YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH YOUR FINANCE, HOW YOU DO FINANCE, BUT I THINK IT'D BE GOOD.
SO YOU'LL DEFINITELY KNOW THE DIFFERENCE, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO HOW WE HAVE TO MANAGE OUR DOLLARS.
UH, AND ALSO WHEN WE CAN CURE THINGS, SHALL WE EVER GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU ALL NEED TO PROCURE THINGS? UM, I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR HIM TO JUST KIND OF JUST READ YOU ALL TAKE ABOUT 10, 15 MINUTES, AND IF YOU'RE FAMILIARITY WITH, UH, UH, GOVERNMENT FINANCED AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO DETAILS.
UM, HE DOES A GOOD JOB JUST TO BRING YOU UP TO SPEED AND WE CAN ALSO SHARE WITH YOU ALL, UH, WE CAN GIVE YOU THE PRESENTATION THAT WE GAVE COUNSEL OF WHAT IS, AND THEY HAVE LIKE 23 UPCOMING BUDGET.
UM, ARE YOU UP FOR THAT? YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, UH, LAUREN SENT THE EMAIL THAT, YOU KNOW, SHE THOUGHT IT'D BE GOOD TO KINDA EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT THE COMP PLAN, THE ZONING, THE LAND USE PROCESS, UH, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NO PROBLEM WHAT THE ZONING ALLOWS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE PROCESS TO GET THINGS RESOLVED, OR JUST AN OVERVIEW.
UH, UH, THE, THE MEATS AND THE POTATOES OF PROPERTY OF SOME BUSINESS PERSONS WERE TO COME IN AND THEY WANT TO DO X, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY IT'S RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND THEY WANT TO BE COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THAT PROCESS WORK OR SOMETHING, GIVE A SCENARIO.
AND THEN, UH, THE VIRGINIA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOLKS AT THE STATE, UM, THEY'RE WILLING TO COME DOWN AND NOW GIVE A DIFFERENT, UM, PRESENTATION.
THE LAST ONE WE RECEIVED IS, IS THE EA ONE, ONE THEY'RE WILLING TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A FLAVOR OF HOW THE STATE INTERACTS WITH EDA ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANTS, AVAILABLE, HOW THEY ARE RESOURCED, THE TRAINING THEY HAVE, THE CONFERENCES, THEY HAVE STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS GROUP TO HAVE A STRONG, UH, CONNECTION AND RELATIONSHIP WITH, WITH THE STATE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE AWARE OF THE NEW FRIEDA, THEY'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT, AND THEY WANT US TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
AND FORTUNATELY HAVE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM, AND THEY'RE GREAT FOLKS THAT, UH, THEN ROBBIE BOYER WILL GIVE YOU A KIND OF JUST A RUNDOWN OF PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS AND, AND, AND THE STATE OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE IS KEY TO ANY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT YOU'LL GO OVER OR A WATER SUPPLY.
UM, UH, MARY ELLEN WILL PROBABLY SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THE ENERGY AREAS AND, YOU KNOW, UH, RATES.
I THINK IT'S GOOD AND MAY DISCUSS, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW WE CAN, UH, WORK WITH A BIG DEVELOPMENT, SHOULD IT COMES IN WHEN IT, WHEN IT IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMPETING WITH OTHER LOCALITIES AND WHAT TYPE OF INCENTIVE PACKAGES, UH, UH, MAY ALSO TRY TO GET, UH, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, PERSON FROM THE AMERICA MUNICIPAL POWER.
THAT'S HOW WE GET HER ENERGY AND THEY CAN GIVE YOU A GOOD EXPLANATION OF THEIR ROLE WHEN IT COMES TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY RECEIVE REQUESTS OF INFORMATION WHERE THERE'S A CERTAIN TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THEM LOOKING FOR LOCALITIES THAT HAVE PUBLIC POWER AND HOW, UM, HOW THEY CAN HELP US TO LOCATE THEM.
AND IF THEY'RE MEMBERS AND THEY KNOW THAT WE HAVE LAND AND WE PROVIDE ENERGY, UH, AND WE NEED PROBABLY MORE POWER SOURCE, THEY HAVE THE ABILITIES TO LOOK AT THE MARKET, UH, YOU KNOW, ITS ECONOMY, UH, AND HOW THEY CAN PROVIDE IT AND SHOW THE RATES WE DO FOR IT.
SO THERE'S A LOT GOING ON AND THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING YOUR OWN WATER, SEWER POWER LIKE MONOPOLY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT BECAUSE WE WISH WE OWNED THE RAILROAD STATION.
I MEAN, SO I JUST THINK THAT'S GOOD.
UM, AND I JUST THINK THE MORE YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT IT AND THE ONE-ON-ONE WILL HELP YOU ALL TO KIND OF PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER.
AND THE LAST ONE WAS, UM, UH, JUST SPIT BALLING AND STRATEGIC BRAINSTORMING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT EVERYTHING FROM A SMALL AS AESTHETICS TO, IT'D BE GREAT IF WE HAD A GOOGLE COMING HERE, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST THE THOUGHT OF, I'M NOT SAYING GOOGLE, I JUST, I DON'T, I JUST THROW IT OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE WANT? WE WANT MORE RESTAURANTS, WE WANT MORE RETAIL, AND WE WANT, YOU KNOW, IF A TEAK OR
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A WHORE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, JUST OPPORTUNITY THIS FOR YOU ALL TO KINDA IN YOUR MIND, UM, WHAT'S YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS ARE, AND THEN THAT WILL HELP IN TOP OF RETAIL.ANYTHING ELSE? I MEAN, AGAIN, THIS MAY BE TOO MUCH, THERE MAY BE SOMETHING TO SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, LET'S HOLD OFF ON THE PUBLIC WORKS, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, OR, AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU ALL WANTED TO DO, UM, YOU JUST CONFIRMED THAT EIGHT.
IS THAT WHAT WE JUST KNOW? I JUST WANT YOU TO LOOK ON YOUR CALENDAR.
CAUSE WHEN I SENT YOU A CALENDAR, I LIST THESE ITEMS OF CONSIDERATION, UM, FOR THE AGENDA.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST KIND OF FOCUS.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD ALL LIKE TO HAVE HERE, KEEP THIS, AND THEN AFTER THAT, LET'S FIND A DATE, KEVIN AND OVERVIEW AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, NEED TO GET TOO MUCH IN THE WEEDS INITIALLY.
I MEAN, IT WOULD JUST BE HIGH LEVEL, JUST HOW THE DYNAMICS WORK AND AT ANY GIVEN TIME THAT THERE'S NO, IF YOU'D LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT PUBLIC WORKS OR ENERGY OR ANYTHING WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE, I ENCOURAGE HAVING AND A TOUR, IF YOU WANT TO TOUR, JUST LET US KNOW.
UM, ONE DAY I WOULD LIKE TO PROBABLY HAVE OUR MEETING THAT, OR, UM, WATER TREATMENT PLANT, IT'S OVERLOOKING PRETTY FROWN AND YOU CAN SEE WEST VIRGINIA FROM IT AND STUFF.
SO, UH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
I LIKED THE IDEA OF GETTING FAMILIAR WITH CERTAIN AREAS, YOU KNOW, JUST TO KIND OF SEE WHERE THEY ARE AND WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND YOU KNOW, I STILL FIND MYSELF ON A ROAD.
I AIN'T BEEN ON BEFORE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE MORE.
I LIKE THE, THAT'D BE A GOOD TITLE FOR A BOOK.
THE ONE THAT WAS THROWN OUT THERE MARCH 27, YOU SAID YOUR MEDICAL, UH, NOW THAT'S ACTUALLY MONDAY, BUT THAT ONLY BE FOR A FEW DAYS.
UM, HOPEFULLY LESS AUTO SCOPIC WILL BE SURGERY.
UM, JUST FOR STAFF SAY, UM, MONDAY AND FRIDAYS, WE'LL ACCOMMODATE YOU ALL WITH PREFER, NOT JUST BECAUSE MONDAYS ARE VERY BUSY, JUST LIKE YOU'RE IN THE FRIDAYS.
WE TRY TO WRAP THINGS UP AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH A LOT OF OUR OFFICE TIME TO ACTUALLY DO THE WORK.
INSTEAD OF BEING IN MEETINGS ALL DAY, WEDNESDAY, THE EIGHTH WASN'T WORKING FOR PEOPLE WAS THAT RIGHT.
OR SOMEBODY, I MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE THAT SHE'S ANY TUESDAY IS REALLY ROUGH FOR ME.
WHAT ABOUT WEDNESDAY? WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT NOW.
WHAT ABOUT A WEDNESDAY, TUESDAY, MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, THE NINTH, THEN NINTH, IF I CAN BE REMOTE AND I'M HAPPY TO, I MEAN, I'D PREFER NOT TO FORGET.
I FORGET YOU'RE TRAVELING OR SOMETHING I AM, BUT I THINK WE'RE RETREATING.
I MEAN, I, I KNOW, I MEAN, WE CAN KEEP ON PUSHING IT 2016.
IF WE GO TO WEDNESDAY, MAY THREE, SAY WEDNESDAY, THIS IS 16 GETTING TOGETHER ON THE 17TH.
WHAT'D YOU SAY 16TH WORKS RETREAT THEN THE NEXT DAY.
SO MY SUGGESTION AS WE CAN HAVE ALSO THE RETREAT ON THE S UH, ON THOSE 17, AND THEN WE COME OUT OF IT, IF WE WANT TO AND HAVE A REGULAR SCHEDULE READING REAL QUICK, HOW LONG YOUR RETREATS TREAT, BUT MOST OF THE ALREADY SCHEDULED, AT LEAST FOR THE RETREAT HALF A DAY, AT LEAST BY THE TIME WE HAVE A LUNCH, I WOULD SAY, YEAH, HALF A DAY, I WOULD PROBABLY GIVE AT LEAST FIVE, SIX HOURS FULL DAY.
AND IF WE GET YES, BUT THEN THAT IS WHEN WE HAVE OUR REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING.
WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THE LATER PART OF THE WEEK GETS MISSED AND DURING THE SAME BOAT? UH, SO TYPICALLY, SO FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS ARE, ARE MY BIGGEST DAYS.
UM, I HAVE LACROSSE SEASON COMING UP, SO THAT'S A, THAT'S AN EVENING COMMITMENT.
UH, I WOULD SAY IF WE DO THURSDAY AND WE WILL JUST, UM, COUNSEL OUR REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING THAT YOU THERE, YOU OUT THE
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WHOLE 21ST TO 25TH, I GOT SOME TOUGH DUTY DOWN IN MYRTLE BEACH.DOES ANYBODY STOP HER 16TH DOING THE RETREAT? AND THEN 17TH HAVING OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING BACK TO BACK TO THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING FOLLOWING THE RETREAT, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'LL GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER AND OUR IDEAS OUT ON THE TABLE, WHEN NOW WHAT'S GOING TO SLEEP ON IT, SLEEP ON IT, COME BACK FRESH 12:00 PM.
WHEN THE LIGHTS COME ON, WE MIGHT LOOK LIKE WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING MARCH 16.
UH, AND I'LL, I'LL SHARE WITH YOU ALL THAT.
THEN YOU GO, ALL RIGHT, LET'S KEEP THE 17TH, RIGHT? YES.
DO YOU ALL FEEL YOU NEED TO HAVE LAUNCH RIGHT? OR, OR NOT? YEAH.
LET'S, LET'S, LET'S WE WON'T HAVE ANY MORE LUNCH, LUNCH, LUNCH.
SO WHEN YOU ALL LEGALLY, THE BOXES, , WE'RE A LOW BUDGET RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE ALREADY EXCEEDED EXPECTATIONS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT ECONOMIC TARGET AREAS.
UM, I THINK WHILE WE CAN DISCUSS IT MAINLY LAST TIME I BROUGHT THIS UP IS JUST TO TRY TO GET A SENSE.
AND A LOT OF IT AT THE RETREAT WE'LL COVER IS, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, THE THOUGHT IS STILL, WE, YOUR THOUGHTS ON RETAIL, INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL MIX OFFICE SHOES, HOW YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, DEAL WITH THE BOARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT KOHL'S OR SOME OTHER PLACES, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF RETAIL ALL FELL OR THOUGHT ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU DID NEED TO BE HERE VERSUS OUTSIDE? DO WE NEED, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF ALSO THE COMP PLAN TOUCHES ON THOSE TOP SERVICES.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO LOOK AT PUTTING OUT A DIFFERENT SURVEY AS PART OF THE ECONOMIC ELEMENT, WHAT DO CITIZENS, THEY NEED TO HIT IN THE TOWN AND NOT HAVE IT COMPETE WITH SOME OF THE SMALL BUSINESSES SHOPS.
SO THIS WAS OPPORTUNITY TO JUST TO SHOUT OUT, OR WE COULD WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE THE RETREAT, BUT WE DO NEED TO TRY TO GET DOWN TO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RETAIL OR AT WHAT TIME ARE Y'ALL PICKING UP, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMERCIAL, WHAT TYPE OF COMMERCIAL WHERE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING? HOW DO WE PACKAGE THAT ONCE WE DECIDE? OKAY, GOOD POINT TO BE MADE THERE TOO, AS THE, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE SAYING, SO SPRAWL, IT'S KIND OF SOMEWHAT OF A FAIL EXPERIMENT RIGHT IN THE CITY ALREADY HAVE, HAS INFRASTRUCTURE WITH BOTH STREET, SEWER, WATER, AND POWER, RIGHT ON THIS STREET RIGHT HERE.
I HAVE THERE BEEN SOME GOOD EXAMPLES OF MORE NATIONAL CHAINS USING RETAIL INTO SMALLER LOCATIONS.
UM, BECAUSE YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR TAX BASE IS WHERE YOU SQUEEZE THINGS IN.
SO I'LL PICK ON KOHL'S JUST BECAUSE I'M MODERATE ON A COLD STORE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL NEVER BRING THE REVENUE THAT A MAIN STREET, SMALL SHOP, RIGHT.
BRINGS IT OVER OVER YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, THEY REQUIRE LARGER AMOUNTS OF PARKING.
YOU HAVE TO PUSH IT INFRASTRUCTURE OUT FARTHER.
LIKE THOSE ARE ALL THE UPFRONT COSTS THAT IT MIGHT TAKE DECADES TO.
YOU'RE NOT ABOUT THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT, THE LIMITED ACREAGE THAT WE'D HAVE IN TOWN VERSUS ABSOLUTELY.
THAT'S A FALLACY THAT THAT'S SOME PEOPLE LOOK AT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, JUST THIS MEETING.
SO, UH, AND I DID THIS JUST BECAUSE FOUR OF US ARE BUSINESS OWNERS, RIGHT.
UM, SO I TOOK THE BLOCK THAT WE'RE LOCATED ON, INCLUDING THE PARKING, THE, YOU KNOW, THE GIS BASED, UH, TAXABLE VALUE PER ACRE IS $2.4 MILLION FOR THE MAIN STREET.
UH, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN, BUT THE WALMARTS, UH, CRACKER BARREL TARGET KIND OF LARGER RETAIL LIKE THAT, THAT COMES IN AT ABOUT 1.6 MILLION.
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SO THE POINT BEING THE TAXABLE REVENUE THAT YOU GET FROM YOUR SQUEEZED IN LOCATIONS IS GOOD.SO I DON'T WANT TO FORGET ABOUT IT IN OTHER WORDS, RIGHT.
TO SAYING BASED ON THE COMP PLAN, BASED ON THE POPULATION AND GROWTH, WE NEED MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE RETAIL OF A CERTAIN MIX, BUT I DON'T WANT TO FORGET ABOUT THOSE AREAS AS WELL.
AND INCLUDING HOUSING, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE SAME THING.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT HAPPY CREEK, THE REVENUE PER ACRE, WHEN YOU START BUILDING HOMES ON A QUARTER ACRE PLOTS, UM, IT'S IS AROUND THAT ONE POINT SOMETHING AREA WHERE YOU GO RIGHT BACK HERE, RIGHT? IN THIS PART OF TOWN, I FORGET WHAT THIS ZONE OF TOWN IS CALLED, BUT THAT'S AGAIN, OVER 2 MILLION IN TAXABLE VALUE PER ACRE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE ASSESSED VALUE, NOT REVENUE, CORRECT.
NOT REVENUE, IT'S THOSE ASSESSED VALUE NUMBERS, BUT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT, OKAY, I'M LOOKING AT A, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT A HOUSE THAT'S VALUED AT HUNDRED 50,000, BUT YOU FORGET IT'S ON A SMALLER EIGHTH OF AN ACRE LOT.
AND SO IT'S, UH, WHAT IT GENERATES IN TAXABLE REVENUE IS REASONABLE.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S BE THINKING ABOUT THAT.
AND LIKE I SAID, THE FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL GET FAMILIAR WITH YOUR LOCKER OR THE COMBINATION, HOW DOES IT GET TO YOUR CLASSES, MAKING SAUCE TO BETTER MEMORIES.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, AFTER TWO WEEKS, YOU GOTTA TEST TO STUDY FOR IT.
CAUSE YOU WERE STILL IN THE HALLWAY.
WELL, I LOVE THE IDEA OF GETTING TO KNOW EACH OTHER IN THAT RETREAT.
CAUSE I FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES IT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE MARK, YOU'RE A NUMBERS GUY, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU JUST SAID, I DID THE NUMBERS.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE A GUY THAT'S MORE INTO THOSE NUMBERS AND IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOUR REPORT IS IMPORTANT TO US.
SO A GUY LIKE ME WHO MAY BE NOT KNOW THOSE NUMBERS, BUT I HAVE MORE OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE RELATIONAL SIDE OR THE AVAILABILITY TO GET IN FRONT OF PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO FIND OUT WHAT THAT MEANS TO THEM, TO BE ABLE TO GIVE FEEDBACK, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHO, WHERE OUR STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES ARE IN THE GROUP, YOU KNOW? UM, CAUSE THAT WAS A GREAT POINT, YOU KNOW, AND I WAS LOOKING AT IT FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU BROUGHT UP LIKE THE WORKING SPACE, YOU KNOW, FROM ROYAL, FROM ROYAL BRINGS YOU THE BEAUTY OF THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY, BUT RIGHT NOW EVERYBODY'S LEAVING THE CITY TO COME TO FROM ROYAL.
WELL, THEY HAD A PLACE TO WORK FROM WORK FROM, IN, FROM ROYAL.
THEY GAVE THEM THAT SAME FEEL OF THE CITY, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THAT BENEFIT THE REVENUE OF THE TOWN? YOU KNOW? UM, BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO OUTSIDE 10 FEET, GET AN OFFICE THAT THEY CAN GO INTO, DO WHAT THEY DID IN THE CITY TURN AROUND AND ON THE WEEKENDS, ENJOY THE LEISURE SHENANDOAH VALLEY.
AND I MEAN, YOU GUYS BRING THAT FEEL EVERY DAY.
UM, WELL, SAME WITH ISAAC, YOU KNOW? I MEAN LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE SERVE BOTH, BOTH OF THOSE TO MAKE IT THAT ATTRACTIVE PIECE? YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT AREAS THAT I'VE WATCHED FOR 15 YEARS OF 66, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN HOW THAT'S LEAPFROGGED FROM PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, STALLING, CERTAIN INDUSTRIES COMING IN AND HOW THAT'S AFFECTED YOU KNOW, UH, RIGHT NOW OUR DEAL IS WE HAVE A LEISURE, LEISURE TOWN THAT PEOPLE WANT TO COME TO YOU ON THE WEEKENDS.
HOW DO WE GIVE THAT TO THEM? YOU KNOW, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK WHERE THEY CAN STILL WORK FROM THIS TOWN, YOU KNOW, UM, I WATCHED TARGET MOVING TO AN URBAN AREA IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY YEARS AGO, AND I SAW THIS LITTLE, I SAW A HUGE, YOU KNOW, RETAIL STORE COME INTO THE SMALL LITTLE SPACE AND IT TOOK A WHILE FOR THAT TO BE ADAPTED TO BECAUSE NOBODY REALLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT AN URBAN PART IT WAS.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS LIKE A GLORIFIED GROCERY STORE, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST PUT A TARGET SIGN ON IT, YOU KNOW? UM, SO I JUST LOOK FORWARD TO, YOU KNOW, LEARNING THE STRENGTHS, THE WEAKNESSES OF EVERYBODY.
CAUSE I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE THEM, UM, AND SEEING WHERE THAT KIND OF GOES WITH IT.
SO THAT WAS MY, THEY WANT TO TRY TO GET TOGETHER ONE EVENING, NO FRESHMEN, WHATEVER YOUR CHOICE IS JUST TO INTERACT.
SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
I KNOW OF A RESTAURANT THAT BOWLING OR SOMETHING.
UM, NOW KEEP IN MIND PROBABLY AFTER THE RETREAT.
UM, WE NEED TO HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH COUNSELING.
I THINK IT'S GOOD BY THE TIME TO RETRIEVE.
I THINK WE'LL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU ALL ARE FOLKS, YOU KNOW, OR AT LEAST HAVE A PITCHER.
AND THEN I THINK IT'S GOOD TO MEET WITH COUNCIL TO KIND OF GET THEIR THOUGHTS, UM, AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS AND, UM, TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THEY MAY ASK THAT WE LOOK AT DOING TO GO FROM THERE.
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COMMUNICATION POLICE SPRINGS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE HEY, I'M STUMBLING ON IS SORT OF THESE, I GUESS, OVERLAYS OR, OR THESE DESIRED AREAS.UM, I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE, OR CAN WE, CAN IT BE MADE AVAILABLE TO US AND SOME NAPS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE THINGS? I MEAN, LIKE I, YOU KNOW, I RELOCATED DOWN THE STREET, BUT THEN THERE'S OTHER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER AREAS THAT, THAT, THAT, UM, WILL THAT BE, THERE'S SOME THOUGHT GOING INTO, I MEAN THE POLICE STATION HAS BEEN MOVED IT.
AND, AND, AND THIS, I MEAN, UH, TO ME THE STRATEGY THERE DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S ME.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO, SO IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, EVEN MAYBE THE FORMER COMP PLAN, LIKE WHAT THESE AREAS ARE DEFINED AS AND WHAT THEY SHOULD, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE DESIRE, UM, INPUT INTO THE, INTO THAT AREA? UM, BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, FROM AN AERIAL VIEW, IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS MAIN STREET, THAT'S, THAT'S AN EASY ONE.
UM, WHAT'S THE VISION FOR ROYAL AVENUE? WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT PART OF HER LIFE OR THIS, THAT, OR THE OTHER, OR, YOU KNOW, THE APP TEXT, JUST FOR MY, FOR SURE.
YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE US LOTS OF VISUALS.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE A VISUAL OF WHAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THESE AREAS ARE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD TOWNSPEOPLE POINTING OUT SORTA SORT OF TRAFFIC PROBLEMS, THIS, THAT, SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT MOVING FORWARD FOR US.
I THINK IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT IT VISUALLY, THIS IS A PART OF THE TALENT THAT WE NEED TO PUT SOME EFFORT INTO.
UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'VE SEEN PROBABLY 15, $20 MILLION REINVESTED IN A MAIN STREET IN THE FIVE YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE, UM, EASILY.
UH, SO, AND THAT WAS A HUGE, A HUGE DEAL, UH, TO, TO SEE ALL THAT.
CAUSE I, I, WHEN I MOVED DOWN HERE, THERE WERE NOTHING BUT ALMOST SHUTTERED, ANTIQUE SHOPS GROWING UP HERE, THAT'S ALL I SAW WAS ANY PICTURE ANTI CLOTHING STORES.
THERE WAS A SALVATION ARMY AND THERE WAS KENNY SPORT SHOP AND THAT WAS ABOUT IT.
AND IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T A DESTINATION.
IT WASN'T SOME PLACE THAT YOU GET.
AND I, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S BECOME THAT QUITE A BIT.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS EXCITING TO BE A PART OF, UM, AND THERE WASN'T REALLY ANY PLAN, YOU KNOW, THERE WASN'T A GROUP OF US THAT GOT TOGETHER.
I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE WHEN I FIRST CAME TO TOWN, I WAS IMPRESSED BY THIS MAN HERE AT, UH, ON A DBA.
YOU KNOW, HE, HE WOULD JUST SIT THERE AND RING THE BELL AND NO ONE WANTED TO LISTEN.
HE WAS LIKE, I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHEN PEOPLE ARE IN THIS TOWN, AT WHAT TIME THEY ARE HERE, THEY SPILL OUT OF MY DOOR.
IS THAT SUCH-AND-SUCH, I CAN GIVE YOU, I CAN SHOW YOU TICKETS.
YOU KNOW, THAT SAY THERE WERE 1200 PEOPLE THAT JUST LEFT NOW.
IT WAS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO PULL THEM IN, PULL THEM IN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WHAT A DINNER AND A MOVIE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DID THE MOVIE, WHERE'S THE DINNER, NOBODY BY NOW.
AND I MEAN, HE HONESTLY, AND IT WAS JUST, IT WAS AN EMPTY ROOM.
IT WAS, THERE WERE PEOPLE THERE, THEY JUST WEREN'T LISTENING.
AND IT'S JUST ONE OF THESE THINGS WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN THESE KIND OF FRUSTRATING, YOU KNOW, THE CHAMBER IS, YOU KNOW, WE ENVISIONING SESSIONS AND THEN IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHY VISION, IF NO ONE'S GONNA EXECUTE OR, OR, I MEAN IT'S, AND, AND EVEN THE TALENT HAS INVESTED MONEY ON PLANS THAT GET SHELVED.
UM, AND IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IT'S LIKE, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, LET'S, YOU KNOW, LET'S DO IT.
LET'S PUT SOME, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE ROAD HERE.
I MEAN, IT'S, UH, AGAIN, THERE WAS NO ORGANIZATION OR ORGANIZATION INTO THIS MAIN STREET REDEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, AND I, I CAN'T SAY THAT I WAS THE SPARK.
ALL I KNOW IS I OPENED AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE BREWERY OPENED THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, ISAAC OPEN, THERE'S ALL THESE THINGS OF KIND OF BING, BING, BING, BING.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY IT JUST HAPPENED.
AND THERE'S TWO BUILDINGS VACANT NOW.
UM, DOWNTOWN, PERHAPS, YOU KNOW HOW THIS GROUP, OKAY.
WE'RE ALL IN TRYING TO IDENTIFY WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE THERE.
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AND I, I MEAN, I TOOK COMPACT TARGET IN THAT ONE.I MEAN, I'VE MET WITH SOME OF THE BUILDING OWNERS AND THEIR VISIONS ARE, ARE IT'S DIFFICULT.
I MEAN, I, THE TIMBER BUILDING WAS MY FIRST DESTINATION OR I WAS GOING TO MOVE INTO, IT JUST PROVED TO BE VERY DIFFICULT.
IT'D BE COOL IF THERE WAS SOME, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A SMALL LITTLE GROCERY STORE BASKETBALL STORE, YOU KNOW, CREATE A WALL.
YOU, BUT I MEAN, FOR ME, IT'S, I GUESS JUST SEEING THAT VISUALLY, UH, COULD BE VERY HELPFUL, UM, SEEING THESE AREAS THAT, UM, BECAUSE I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY YEARS I DROVE BY THAT, UH, AREA WHERE A SWAN FARM IS NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT'S BEHIND THERE.
AND NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY PUT LEADS, RUN IN HERE AND JUST HOLY COW, YOU KNOW, AND I MEAN, I DROVE IT THE ONE DAY AND I, I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S NOT ALREADY LIKE RIGHT NOW.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE ROAD GOING OUT OF TOWN, IT SEEMS LIKE, OKAY, WELL, YEAH, THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING SOMEDAY.
I KNOW BLEACH RUN WAS THE, I CAN'T TELL YOU THE EXACT DATE, BUT THAT WAS ON PLAN FOR, I DON'T KNOW, 30, 40 YEARS.
I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE SOMEWHERE AROUND HERE, GUYS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONNECTOR, PULL IT OUT, LOOKING AT THAT MAP AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, FROM AN AERIAL PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE JUST DRIVING THAT ROAD, YOU'RE KIND OF HAVE THAT TUNNEL VISION THAT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM ABOVE AND YOU SAY, WHAT'S THIS LITTLE POCKET HERE AND WHY ISN'T, WHY ISN'T IT BEING UTILIZED? WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE ROADBLOCKS, UM, AND THEN WORK WELL, I'M EXCITED.
AND, UM, SO WE WILL HAVE, OR OUR RETREAT ON THE 16TH AT EIGHT, EIGHT, O'CLOCK, I'LL LET YOU KNOW, UM, WHERE COFFEE, RIGHT.
WE'LL HAVE COFFEE DEFINITELY COST ME.
I MEAN, I MEAN, WHAT TYPE OF DO YOU WANT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CALL.
I'LL BE WALKING IN THE DOOR WITH A COFFEE IN MY HAND, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE WILL PROVIDE LUNCH THERE.
UH, OBVIOUSLY YOU'LL BE THERE ALL DAY AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
AND THEN 17TH, WE'LL KIND OF, KIND OF DO A DEBRIEFING OF THE PROBABLY WRAP UP AND MOVE ON.
I APPRECIATE EVERYONE COMING HERE IS GREAT.
THANKS FOR HAVING THIS MEETING TODAY.
I, I THINK IT'LL MAKE THE RETREAT GO A LOT BETTER TO MARK'S POINT.
I APPRECIATE THE SENSITIVITY TO OUR TIME, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR ALL THE WE'RE KIND OF EXCITED TO GET ON WITH THIS.
I DON'T WANT TO GOBBLE UP INFORMATION LIKE CRAZY PLANS, NEW PLANS.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT THINGS ARE HAPPENING ON THE TOWN.
AND, UM, WE'LL BE PROBABLY HERE SOON FOR US TO CONSIDER.