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HERE'S A PROBLEM[Town Council Work Session on February 15, 2022.]
FROM EVERYBODY IT'S OR WORK SESSION TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 17TH, 2022.UM, AND OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS MS. LEWIS, I BELIEVE BELIEVES KIND OF PRESENT, UM, SPECIAL EVENTS SCHEDULE AN IDEAS.
WELL, SHE'S YOU ALL RECALL? UH, LAST YEAR WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE NEED TO DO SOME MORE ALL LOCALS.
UM, WE REALIZE THERE'S GOING TO BE POTENTIALLY LARGER TOURISM EVENTS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE IS A NEED FOR OUT LOUD WITH THE CITIZENS THAT A TOWN TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE EVENTS LIKE PRE COVID.
AND SO, UM, ELIZABETH SHE'S BEEN WORKING AND COORDINATING CERTAIN TYPE OF EVENTS AND WE THOUGHT WE'D GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW AND IF THERE'S ANY INPUT, DON'T BE GREAT.
THANK YOU, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME WITH AN AWESOME CITIZEN SUPPORT TONIGHT.
I DO Y'ALL ARE HERE FOR THE EVENTS CALENDAR.
SO I HAVE HARD COPIES OF THE POWERPOINT AND KIND OF LIKE A ONE-PAGE VISUAL.
SO I THOUGHT IF THAT MIGHT TELL YOU IT'S NOT EXTENSIVE, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN DEATH BY POWERPOINT AND ROCK THAT GO FOR IT.
I'M LIZZIE LEWIS ON THE SPECIAL EVENTS AND PUBLIC ARTS COORDINATOR FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL STARTED ON JANUARY 3RD.
UM, I KIND OF BROKE OUT THE EVENT TYPES AND JUST FOUR MORE DIFFERENT CATEGORY.
SO OUR HOLIDAY CENTER, THINGS, PUBLIC SAFETY EVENTS, WHICH ARE REALLY JUST THINGS FOR THIS COUNTY, FOR WORLD POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THEN JUST HELPING THEM WITH, UM, SOME RECURRING EVENTS AND THEN SOME CO-SPONSORING OPPORTUNITIES.
NOW THIS ISN'T EXHAUSTIVE, THERE'S DEFINITELY ROOM FOR INPUT, INPUT, DRUGS, OPPORTUNITY.
UM, AND I REALLY WANT THE COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK ON THIS.
I WANT THIS TO BE A COLLABORATIVE AT HEART, SO I'M JUST KIND OF OUTLINED WHERE I'M HEADED.
SO HOLIDAY EVENTS, THE FIRST THING THAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON IS EARTH DAY, WHICH WE ACTUALLY JUST WENT LIVE WITH THAT ONLINE TODAY, THE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY, SOMETHING WITHIN A COMMITTEE, UM, THEY, THEY ARE, THEY'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND THEY'RE REALLY EXCITED TO, TO BRING SOME FUN STUFF DOWN TO THE, THE MAIN STREET GAZEBO.
UM, SO I CREATED THEIR FLYER AND WE'RE, WE'RE INVITING GROUPS TO BE A PART OF IT.
IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE AN INTERACTIVE FAMILY-FRIENDLY AND FREE EVENT.
UM, WE'RE PRAYING THAT IT DOESN'T RAIN, BUT IF IT DOES THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE WE NEED TO RAIN TOO.
UM, WE'VE GOT A FEW LITTLE THINGS THAT WE KIND OF DO ALREADY WITH OUR MEMORIAL DAY CEREMONY, OUR VETERAN'S DAY CEREMONY, AND THEN I'VE GOT SOME NEW THINGS ON THEIR CASE.
SHE DIDN'T NOTICE, UM, INDEPENDENCE DAY WEEKEND, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT IN A SECOND.
AND THEN, UM, TELL MANAGER HICKS IS REALLY KEEN ON HAVING A TREE LIGHTING THIS YEAR.
SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
AND I'D LIKE TO DO THAT ON SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY.
CAUSE WHAT BETTER DAY, BETTER DATA BRING FOLKS DOWN.
SO INDEPENDENCE DAY CURRENTLY, THIS IS MY VISION FOR THIS.
SO I THINK I CAN TALK ONE OF OUR LOCAL DEALERSHIPS INTO BUMPING IN THEIR CAR, SHOW UP A FEW WEEKS TO COINCIDE WITH JULY THE THIRD.
THE FOURTH IS A MONDAY MONDAYS.
AREN'T THAT FUN FOR PARTIES, BUT I THINK MONDAY ON THE EVE OF A HOLIDAY COULD BE A LOT OF FUN.
SO I'M INVITING FOOD TRUCKS DOWN TO THE GAZEBO.
UM, I KNOW THAT OUR ENERGY DEPARTMENT'S ACTUALLY UPDATING SOME OF THE OUTLETS IN POWER GOING ON DOWN THERE, WHICH WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO BRINGING IN MORE OF THAT TYPE OF VENDOR.
UM, I'D LIKE TO HAVE USABLE ACTS AT THE GAZEBO.
I WANT TO BRING ON A FULL-ON KIDS ZONE.
I'M THINKING FACE PAINTERS AND A PHOTO BOOTH AND MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE DJ FOR THE KIDS, YOU KNOW, UM, AN APPLE PIE BAKING CONTEST.
I KNOW IT SEEMS SILLY, BUT I REALLY THINK THAT COULD BE A LOT OF FUN.
UM, AND THEN THE FRONT ROW CARDINALS, THEY AGREE THE FRONT ROW CARDINALS ARE ACTUALLY PLAYING A DOUBLE HEADER THAT NIGHT.
SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO PARTNER WITH THEM AND THEN OUR BIG TICKET ITEM WOULD DO THE FIREWORKS AND I'VE GOTTEN SOME IDEAS ON WHO COULD SPONSOR THAT FOR US.
THE THIRD, UM, SOME OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT I KNOW WORK FOR WENT ON THAT WEEKEND.
THE FOUR H CENTER IS INTENDING TO HAVE THEIR FIREWORKS.
HOWEVER, THEY WILL HAVE THEM ON FRIDAY NIGHT, WHICH IS THE FIRST I CALLED I CAN TURN TO, THEY SAID FRIDAY NIGHT NOW THEY COULD BE FOOLING WITH ME.
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I KNOW THAT THEY'VE HAD SOME LEADERSHIP CHANGES THERE.SO I'M GUESSING THAT SOME OF THAT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT IN FLUX, BUT THEY HAVE ZERO INTENTIONS OF DOING THEM ON THE THIRD.
AND THAT WAS REALLY ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW.
SO FOR THE FIREWORKS, YOU SAID SPONSORSHIP, YOU'RE GOING TO REACH OUT TO SOMEBODY FOR THAT SPONSORSHIP.
SO I ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO GET SPONSORS FOR JUST ABOUT ALL OF THESE THINGS.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE REASON WHY I WAS HIRED FOR THIS CAUSE I COME FROM A NONPROFIT, SO I'M NOT AFRAID TO ASK PEOPLE FOR MONEY, UM, OR SHIPS THAT WAY.
THEY JUST ANY, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S GOT FAIR GAME TO BE ABLE TO SPONSOR IT.
I FEEL LIKE JUST ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.
I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW THE BUSINESSES TO PARTNER UP WITH US ON THIS.
UM, AND AS LONG AS WE'RE BRINGING FUN, ENGAGING, AND ACCESSIBLE EVENTS TO THE TOWN, I DON'T REALLY CARE WHOSE NAME IS ON IT.
IF IT WANTS TO BE THE VALLEY HEALTH FIREWORKS, THAT'S GREAT, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THEY WANT.
I MEAN, I'M SURE THEY'VE GOT MONEY, RIGHT.
UM, AND MAKE A LOT OF PROFITS.
SO ANY THOUGHTS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS ON THAT LIST OF IT? I MEAN WHAT'S MORE AMERICAN THAN BASEBALL ON FIREWORKS, RIGHT? HOT DOGS.
WE CAN DO THAT IN TYPE THAT WE CAN DO THAT.
SO MOVING FORWARD INTO PUBLIC SAFETY EVENTS, THESE ARE REALLY JUST PIGGYBACKING ON THE TRADITIONAL EVENTS THAT WE HAVE.
SO NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, UM, WHICH IS ALWAYS THE FIRST TUESDAY IN AUGUST, AUGUST THE SECOND, THIS YEAR, UM, I'LL BE HELPING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COORDINATE SOME OF THOSE DETAILS AND THEN COFFEE WITH A COP WHO WE'RE ACTUALLY, UM, OCTOBER IS THE NATIONAL MONTH FOR THAT, BUT WE'RE CONSIDERING MAYBE WE GET TO ONE IN THE SPRING AND ONE IN THE FALL.
UM, JUST GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT MORE WITH THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AGAIN, RELATIVELY LOW KEY, BUT HIGH TOUCH EVENTS.
THIS IS WHERE WE GET A LITTLE CREATIVE.
SO SOMETHING THAT BARELY CERTAIN WAS, WAS A PASSION PROJECT FOR, FOR THE COUNCIL WAS TO CREATE ENGAGING, ACCESSIBLE EVENTS, TO BRING FOLKS DOWNTOWN, TO BRING OUR COMMUNITY TOGETHER.
UM, MY BALLYWICK IS NOT TOURISM.
MY BALLYWICK IS THE FOLKS WHO LIVE HERE.
UM, SO I WANT TO HAVE FUN STUFF TOO.
UM, SO ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I'M TOYING WITH, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL IDEAS, NOTHING IS SET IN CONCRETE.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO CALL FRONT PORCH FRIDAY.
SO WE BRING BACK GAZEBO FLICKS.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO'VE BEEN AROUND FOR AWHILE AND HE WAS 20 17, 20 18, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, WE DID FREE KIDS MOVIES AT THE GAZEBO.
WE ALREADY HAVE THE EQUIPMENT TO DO IT.
UM, THE MOVIES ARE ABOUT $500 A PIECE.
UH, THIS IS A GREAT BUSINESS SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITY BACK WHEN I DID THEM.
UH, BACK WHEN I DID BACK, WHEN I WORKED FOR A COMPANY HERE IN TOWN, WE WERE ABLE TO SPONSOR THEM.
UM, AND AGAIN, THAT, THAT PRICE IS AN EDUCATED GUESS, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE'S PROBABLY SOME INFLATION THERE AS WELL.
UM, BUT FROM WHAT I HEAR, WE STILL HAVE THE EQUIPMENT AVAILABLE TO LEARN, UM, A LIVE ART DEMONSTRATION AT THE PAVILION.
SO THIS IS BRINGING IN THAT PUBLIC ARTS PIECE, I'M THINKING PAINTERS, SCULPTORS, UM, PHOTOGRAPHY.
I I'M REALLY OPEN TO ANY TYPE OF INPUT ON THIS.
I THINK WE HAD THIS BIG, BEAUTIFUL PAVILION AND IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WAS MAYBE INTERACTIVE WITH FOLKS JUST RECENTLY BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, THERE WAS SOME THEN ON SATURDAY, SUNDAY WHERE IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THERE WERE PEOPLE SET UP ON THAT END DOWN THERE.
CAUSE I REMEMBER, UM, UH, ARLENE LINCOLN ANYWAY, THERE WERE SAME IDEA.
THERE WERE ARTISTS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT HAD THINGS, OF COURSE IT WAS FOR SALE AND STUFF LIKE THAT TOO.
BUT THEY WERE DOING DEMONSTRATIONS THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND EVEN LIKE DANCE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
IT WAS LIKE ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT.
UM, WE'RE REALLY, WE'RE REALLY FORTUNATE.
WE'VE GOT A FAIR AMOUNT OF, OF THAT ALREADY HERE.
UM, WE CAN JUST HELP PROVIDE THE VEHICLE THAT AMPLIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND THEN I'D REALLY LIKE TO PARTNER UP WITH OUR RESTAURANTS SHOPPING, UM, OUR OURS, IF YOU WILL, UM, TO KIND OF CREATE A THEME AROUND WHATEVER WE'RE DOING.
SO BEING REALLY CLEAR AND CONCISE AND TRANSPARENT IN HOW WE'RE TALKING WITH THEM AND PROVIDING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN US ON THE JOURNEY.
WE'RE NOT PLANNING IT FOR THEM, BUT I DO WANT TO PROVIDE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO JUMP ON BOARD IF THEY'D LIKE TO.
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I THINK SOME OF OUR FOLKS ARE REALLY GONNA LEAN IN ON THAT.AND THEN WE DO, I DO WANT TO CREATE A PHOTO SPOT.
SO MY BACKGROUND IS MARKETING.
SO WE NEED TO TALK MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT CAN LOOK LIKE, BUT, UM, SOMETHING WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE THEIR PICTURE IN FRONT OF IT AND SHARE IT AND TELL PEOPLE HOW AWESOME DOWNTOWN FROM LOYALIST.
AND THEN THE OTHER RECURRING EVENT IDEA IS MUSIC IS NOT NEWS.
UM, WE I'M, I'M THINKING WE PROBABLY DO THE MAIN TOBER, UM, OR WEATHER'S, I WAS JUST A LITTLE BETTER FROM THAT TIMEFRAME.
UM, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED SPONSORSHIP OR, OR, AND, OR BUDGET FUNDING.
UM, BECAUSE MOST OF THESE BANDS DON'T PLAY FOR FREE, NOT THE ONES BARELY WANT.
UM, AND THEN I ALSO HAD A REALLY GREAT IDEA FROM A LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER WHO SAID THAT, WHAT IF WE HAD OPENING ACTS WHO WERE MAYBE A YOUTH ORCHESTRA, OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MORE THAN JUST THIS 7:00 PM CONCERT, MAYBE IT'S FIVE O'CLOCK WE GET THE KIDS OUT, UM, WHO ARE DOING SOMETHING.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE PARENTS ARE ALREADY DOWN HERE AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING.
OH, I KNOW WHERE THEY SOUND LIKE A JAZZ BAND, BUT I DON'T HAVE BOTH HIGH SCHOOLS HAVE ANY MORE.
DO THEY AT CHASE THIS FOR THIS VALLEY AND HAVE A JAZZ PAN? I KNOW THE MIDDLE SCHOOL DOES, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THEY STILL DO.
AND YOU'D BE SURPRISED AT HOW MANY BANDS WILL PLAY FOR FREE FOR EXPOSURE, AS YOU ALL MIGHT REMEMBER DURING THE PANDEMIC, WHEN THE TOWN COULDN'T GIVE OUT PERMIT, I HOSTED A POP-UP FREEDOM EVENT THAT THE GAZEBO, UM, AND I HAD A REGGAE BAND FROM BALTIMORE COME TO FRONT ROYAL, AND THEY'RE THERE NOW BOOKED TWO YEARS OUT.
THEY PLAYED A LITTLE WHARF IN DC A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
UM, BUT THEY CAME AND PLAYED HERE AND WE HAD PEOPLE FROM CALL PATH AROUND ALL OVER COME BECAUSE PEOPLE WANTED TO GET OUT OF THE HOUSE.
AND RANCHO KNEW AVA CAME AND SET UP THEIR FOOD TRUCK.
UM, AND IT WAS A REALLY SUCCESSFUL EVENT, BUT THAT WAS A START-UP BAND.
THEY WERE A GREAT REGGAE BAND AND NOW THEY'VE REALLY TAKEN OFF AND THEY PLAYED FOR US FOR FREE.
THEY DID, THEY TOOK DONATIONS.
THE TOWN WAS CLOSED SO WELL, LUCKILY THE TOWN'S OPEN NOW.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ISSUE A PERMIT FOR THEM.
UM, SO, SO BANDS, DEFINITELY BANDS AND ARTISTS, WHATEVER, SOMETHING I NEED TO BE COLLABORATIVE HELP WITH CAPTURING THOSE FOLKS.
I'M NOT AS PLUGGED IN TO THE LIVE LOCAL LIVE MUSIC.
MAYBE I SHOULDN'T BE, BUT I'LL WORK ON IT.
I'M SURE THIS WILL HIT THE PRESS.
AND YOU MIGHT HAVE PEOPLE REACHING OUT THREE BANDS WHO HAVE CALLED IN LAST 10 DAYS WANTING TO KNOW IF WE HAD OPPORTUNITIES.
SO YEAH, I'LL SEND IT TO A TAPE SHARING THEIR WEBSITE AND THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA SO THAT WE CAN CHECK THEM OUT.
BUT THOSE ARE KIND OF THE TWO CORNERSTONE RECURRING THINGS I'M LOOKING AT AT THE MOMENT.
UM, AND THEN SOME CO-SPONSORING OPPORTUNITY.
SO I'LL START WITH THE FRONT ROW CARDINALS ALL STAR GAME.
SO FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 10 OR 11 YEARS, THE FRONT CARDINALS ARE, WILL BE HOSTING THE ALL-STAR GAME, WHICH IS THE VALLEY BASEBALL LEAGUE, THE THIRD LARGEST LEAGUE IN AMERICA.
I'VE BEEN LEARNING ALL ABOUT IT.
UM, AND WE HAVE THE NICEST STADIUM IN THE ENTIRE BIBLE WE DO.
AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHY THEY WANT IT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A JMU FOR A LONG TIME.
AND THEY WERE LIKE, WE SHOULD DO THIS AT A STADIUM AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN THE LEAGUE.
SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE HAPPENING ON SUNDAY, JULY 17TH.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON TRYING TO CREATE SOME, SOME FUN ACTIVITY AROUND THAT THEY'RE RUN DERBY AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF AGAIN, NOT OURS, BUT WE ARE LENDING A HAND AND HELPING SOME LOGISTICS.
UH, THE FESTIVAL LEAVES COMING BACK THIS YEAR.
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SO THE FRONT RURAL INDEPENDENT BUSINESS ALLIANCE IS HOSTING THIS EVENT AND WE ARE CO-SPONSORING WITH THEM.UM, THERE'S A NEW ENERGY AND A NEW DIRECTION WHEN IT COMES TO GETTING BACK TO THE ROOTS OF WHAT THE FESTIVAL REALLY WAS ABOUT.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF ENERGY AROUND THE ACTIVITIES, THE VENDORS, UM, THE VARIETY AND RICH CULTURE OF VENDORS.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S JUST, THERE'S SOME GOOD ENERGY AROUND IT.
SO IT'S STILL IN ITS INFANCY, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY THE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN FORMED.
AND, UM, SO WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO HELP THEM WITH THAT.
AND THEN OF COURSE, HOMETOWN, HALLOWEEN, UH, WHICH IS ALWAYS A BIG HIT AND THEN MAYBE A CHRISTMAS MARKET.
SO IN ADDITION TO THE TREE LIGHTING ON NOVEMBER 25TH, UM, WHICH IS SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY, THE FOLLOWING SATURDAY IS TYPICALLY WHEN THE CHRISTMAS PARADE OCCURS.
SO DECEMBER THE THIRD, UM, AND THEN WE'D LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE ALL CRAFTERS ARTISANS WHO COULD SET UP IN THE COMMENTS AREA AND THAT COULD CASINO AREA ON THOSE THREE SATURDAYS LEADING UP TO CHRISTMAS, WE HAVE THIS BEAUTIFUL HALLMARK TOWN AND I THINK MORE PEOPLE SHOULD SEE IT.
SO IF WE CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO COME DOWN, I, I THINK IT COULD BE REALLY GOOD FOR EVERYBODY THIS YEAR.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I HAD A MENTOR WHO'S NO LONGER WITH US.
THEY USED TO SAY, UM, MARKETING'S LIKE ASKING A PERSONNEL, RIGHT? BRANDING IS THE REASON WHY THEY SAY YES.
AND SO THE POINT IS, I THINK WE ALREADY GOT THE BRAND DOWN HERE IN TANGLED TOWN.
THEN I, I JUST FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE THANKS COUNCIL FOR SUPPORT OF, OF PUSHING US TO, TO COME UP WITH LOCAL EVENTS DOWNTOWN.
BUT I DO THINK IF WE GET BEHIND THE SCHEDULE AND GET BEHIND THESE EVENTS, THAT'S REALLY GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE DOWNTOWN BECAUSE, UH, WHEN I'M OUT AND ABOUT PEOPLE, THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE BEEN LEARNING.
I THINK WE DID A GREAT JOB IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.
CAN WE GET THIS ADDED HERE SOMEWHERE? I WANT CHRISTMAS LIGHTS THIS YEAR, I DRIVE, YOU KNOW, 40 MILES TO TAKE MY KIDS TO SEE SOME DANG CHRISTMAS LIGHTS.
AND THIS YEAR IT WAS UPWARDS OF $25 PER PERSON TO WALK THROUGH A CHRISTMAS LIGHT SHOW.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, EVERYWHERE WE WENT IN, THE TWO TOWNS WE VISITED FOR CHRISTMAS LIGHTS.
UM, AFTERWARDS WE WENT GET A COFFEE OR HOT CHOCOLATE OR DINNER.
YOU COULDN'T, I MEAN, THE RESTAURANTS WERE PACKED WITH PEOPLE.
YOU WANTED TO GO WARM UP AFTER YOU WALKED WITH THE CHRISTMAS LIGHTS, WE HAVE THE PERFECT TOWN TO DO THAT.
SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE TREE LIGHTING, UM, I MEAN, WINCHESTERS, MAYBE THEY DIDN'T DO IT THIS YEAR.
THEY DID IT THE YEAR PRIOR 2020.
IT WAS A DRIVE THROUGH THE PARK.
IT'S SOMETHING YOU ALREADY HAVE.
I MEAN, DOESN'T HAVE TO USE CROSBY PARK, BUT IT COULD STILL BE SOMETHING WE PARTNERED WITH, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES WE CAN DO.
WE CAN PARTNER WITH YOUR COUNTY AND USE THE DOG TRAIL.
I MEAN, THERE ARE SO MANY PLACES, JUST AN IDEA, BUT YOU WERE ASKING AND I'LL TELL YOU CLEAR, BROKEN DOWN THEIR NUMBERS IN JANUARY.
I'M NOT NECESSARILY INTERESTED IN THE TOWN MAKING A TON OF MONEY OFF OF IT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IN TAX REVENUE ALONE, THE LOCAL BUSINESSES ARE GONNA BENEFIT FROM IT.
UM, I MEAN, WINCHESTER DIDN'T EVEN CHARGE FOR THEIR DRIVE TO SHARANDA, BUT IT STILL BROUGHT PEOPLE TO WINCHESTER.
DID THEY DO A SCHRADER OR JIM BARNETT? JIM BARNETT? YEAH.
JUST THERE EVERY DAY THAT WOULD MESS WITH THE CHRISTMAS MARKET.
BUT EVEN IF ONE OF THOSE DAYS WAS, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE A MONTH OR A NIGHT.
SO I THINK ALL THE THINGS CAN HAPPEN COHESIVELY.
CAUSE IT'S NOT, I WOULDN'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT SPACE FOR IT DOWN HERE.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT WOULD CONFLICT WITH ANY OF THE BUSINESS THAT'S HAPPENING DOWN HERE.
UM, ONE THING SAID WITH THE FESTIVALS, WE TYPICALLY WILL HAVE VENDORS LINED UP ON THE STREET AND THEY'RE FACING THE STREET.
BUT INSTEAD I THINK WE SHOULD TURN THAT AROUND.
SO THEY'RE FACING ANOTHER BUSINESS.
SO THAT WAY, WHEN PEOPLE ARE WALKING DOWN THE SIDEWALK, THEY COULD BE LOOKING AT THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE AND THEN THE NURSE.
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THEM AROUND.I THINK A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES COME OUTSIDE AND SET UP FOR THE FESTIVAL DON'T THEY LIKE THE BAKERY COMES OUT THERE.
MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT WOULD BE CHOKING THE TRAFFIC DOWN.
I HAD TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT SIDE, WHAT THAT SIDEWALK WOULD REALLY LOOK LIKE AT THAT POINT WE'VE EVEN CLOSED ON THOSE DAYS, LIKE DOOR CLOSES.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, AND I BELIEVE WE ONLY DO ONE SIDE OF THE STREET WHEN IT COMES TO VENDORS SO THAT EMERGENCY VEHICLES CAN GET DOWN HERE.
SO I'M NOT SURE I'M PRE, I DON'T KNOW.
I WANT TO SAY THAT I'VE SEEN IT ON BOTH SIDES DURING THE, DURING THE PANDEMIC, WHEN WE CLOSED ON MAIN STREET, CLOSED DOWN MAIN STREET, LIKE THERE WENT AND THEY EVEN CAME OUT WITH MORE MONEY THAN I'VE EVER SPENT DOWNTOWN DURING THAT, DURING THAT, BECAUSE MY KIDS COULD RIDE THEIR BICYCLES.
, Y'ALL, WEREN'T CLEAR ON WHETHER THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DO THAT AND I RODE THEIR BIKES AND YOU COULD GO SIT OUTSIDE AT THE BREWERY.
WE JUST KIND OF LET PEOPLE KNOW AHEAD OF TIME.
WE JUST LET IT, I'M A BIG FAN OF CREATING THAT SAFE SPACE.
ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? OKAY, THANK YOU.
UM, I MEAN, I GUESS THE WINE AND CRAFT FESTIVAL WAS STILL HAPPENING TO THAT AROUND THE SAME TIME AS THE FESTIVAL LEAVES.
SO THAT'S IN MAY, THAT'S MAY 21ST.
UM, SO THE ONE SHEET THAT I GAVE YOU, THE BOLDED STUFF THAT'S TOWN'S STUFF, ANYTHING THAT'S NOT BOLDED COMMUNITY EVENTS.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A LIVING BREATHING PROCESS, RIGHT? YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IDEAS, YOUR BAD THINGS YOU WANT TO PUT ON THE CALENDAR, WAKE UP WITH A THOUGHT, UM, PLEASE SEND THEM TO ALL RIGHT.
NUMBER TWO, WATER MOVER, NEATER WAIVER REQUEST.
REMEMBER HIS DAD AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THAT INVITES ME.
I REMEMBER, UM, EVENING, UM, STAFF, UH, REVIEWED, UH, THE REQUESTED COUNSEL RECEIVED ON JANUARY 17.
PRIMARY ISSUE WAS REQUEST OF EXTENDING A FOUR INCH WATER LINE FROM ONE PROPERTY STARTED SEPARATELY, UM, SECTION 1 34 38 D N E OF THE TOWN CODE ALLOWS COUNCIL TO APPROVE AN ADVOCATE, AN APPLICATION TO EXTEND WATER SERVICE WITH WITHIN A SINGLE LOAN PROPERTY.
AND, UM, WITH PROPERTIES THAT ARE OWNED BY THE SINGLE OWNERSHIP AS WELL.
UM, BASICALLY, UH, THE 74 ACRE TRACT OF LAND THAT IS, UM, IN QUESTION HERE AT, UM, AS A ROUTE OF REQUEST, UM, BASICALLY PER TOWN CODE SHOULD BE SERVED BY A WATER LINE FROM, UH, KENDRICK LANE DIRECTLY TO THAT PROPERTY.
UM, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, CONTINUING TO FOLLOW, UM, CHAPTER 1 34 OF THE TOWN CODE IN REGARDS TO EXTENDING, UM, WATER, UH, TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, UH, IN THE AREA YOU HAVE A 12 INCH WATER LINE THAT'S ON KENDRICK LANE, UH, AS WELL AS AN EIGHT INCH WATER LINE ON ADAM SAT ON ADAMS AVENUE.
IN ADDITION TO THE FOUR-INCH LINE, THAT'S SERVING THE FOUR AND A HALF ACRE, IF THAT'S UNDER SEPARATE, UH, SEPARATE OWNERSHIP FOR THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S REALLY THE GIST OF THE PRESENTATION STAFF WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
SO WELL, I WAS JUST WONDERING, LIKE, WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS THE REASONING FOR NOT RECOMMENDING AGAINST IT? AND THEN I SEE A LOT OF THAT.
UH, WELL BASICALLY THE TOWN GOES FAIRLY CLEAR AS TO WHEN YOU EXTEND A WATER SERVICE IN THAT THE PROPERTIES NEED TO BE IN AND HAVE THE SAME OWNERSHIP, UM, WITHIN THE SAME PROPERTY AND ARE ON A SINGLE PROPERTY OR MULTIPLE PROPERTIES UNDER, UM, UNDER SIMILAR OR SAME OWNERSHIP YOU CAN EXTEND.
BUT THE CODE IS FAIRLY CLEAR OR IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT BASICALLY YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY, UH, IT HAS TO BE ONE PROPERTY EXTENT.
YOU CAN'T GO FROM ONE SEPARATELY OWNED PROPERTY TO ANOTHER PROPERTY.
UM, SO THE, BASICALLY THIS, UM, THIS THING IS BEING SO DIVIDED AND IT'S GOING TO BE OFFERED OR IT IS SOLD OFF.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE UNDER THE SAME OWNERSHIP OR IT'S REALLY NOT UNDER THE SAME OWNERSHIP.
UM, THE FOUR INCH WATER LINE IS CURRENTLY SERVING FOUR AND A HALF ACRE TRACK.
THAT'S OWNED BY THE RUSTIC RURAL RESTAURANT LLC.
UH, THIS TRACK ACTUALLY GOES AROUND THAT IT'S 74 ACRES IN ITS OWN BY OPPOSE, UH, VERBALLY IT, WHICH IS NOT GOING TO BE SUBDIVIDED IN SEPARATELY AND
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APART.AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF IT WAS THE SAME OWNER.
SO RESPECTFULLY I DISAGREE ABOUT THE LANGUAGES IN THE CODE BECAUSE I DID MY EXTENSIVE HOMEWORK ON THIS.
AND I WENT AND VISITED AND LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT WATER LINES AND WHERE THE TOWNS IS AND WHERE THE PRIVATE PROPERTIES IS.
AND I'M NO ARCHITECT AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT AN EXPERT IN PUBLIC WORKS, HOWEVER, AND WHAT WE'RE BEING PRESENTED IN THE AGENDA.
AND IT SEEMS TO ME FROM AN UNBIASED VIEW, PART OF THE ARGUMENT FOR THE RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THIS IS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS DIDN'T WANT TO PAY TAP FEES, WHICH IN THE EMAIL THAT I FOUND IN THIS AGENDA THAT I DIDN'T RECEIVE LISTED TO MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL, THEY GO ON TO SAY THAT THEY WOULD WILLINGLY PAY.
I THINK IT WAS $52,000 FOR THE TAP FEE.
AND SO STRUCTURALLY I JUST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE AND TAKING THIS BACK TO ADD TEXT UNDERNEATH THE OVERPASS VERSUS THE FOUR-INCH PIPE.
AND ALSO IF I WAS THIS PROPERTY OWNER LOOKING AT THIS OBJECTIVELY AND FINANCIALLY THE TOWN DIDN'T WANT ME TO PAY $52,000 PER TAP FOR A TAP FEE, I DIG A WELL AND THE TOWN WOULDN'T GET ANY MONEY.
UM, SO THAT FOUR INCH LINE THAT RUNS FROM THERE TO THE BACK THAT PROPERTY DOES THAT MAJOR, THAT METER IS STRICTLY NOW FOR, UM, RUSTIC THAT'S CORRECT.
THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO UTILITIES ON THE 74 ACRE TRACK.
THE, THE ONLY ISSUE THAT I WOULD SEE WOULD BE FOR FIRE SUPPRESSION IS, IS THAT BUILDING, UM, SUPPRESSED FIRE? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, UM, TH DOES IT HAVE A SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN THAT BUILDING? UM, I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE, UM, LAWYER SHAKING HIS HEAD.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE MY DRAW ON IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, THERE'S A FOUR INCH LINE AND IT RUNS ALL THE WAY THROUGH IT BACK, UM, COULD THEY JUST TAP INTO THAT, BUT A HUNDRED PERCENT PUT A SEPARATE MIRROR OFF OF THAT FOUR INCH LINE? THAT'S WHAT I'M NO, IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT IF, IF, IF BOTH THE FOUR AND A HALF ACRE TRACK AND THE 74 ACRE TRACK ARE UNDER THE SAME OWNERSHIP, YOU COULD INDEED, I BELIEVE DO THAT.
HOWEVER, YOU'RE, YOU'VE GOT TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES.
UM, THE FOUR AND A HALF ACRE TRACT IS OWNED BY A SEPARATE ENTITY AND THE 74 8 ACRE TRACT IS OWNED BY A SEPARATE ENTITY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT BASICALLY SERVES THAT'S CORRECT.
SHED SOME LIGHT ON SOME, SOME OF THE HISTORY THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THESE SORT OF INSTANCES.
SO WHAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED, UH, HAS HAPPENED A COUPLE OF TIMES.
UM, WE, THE LATEST ONE WAS BACK IN 2014 AND, UH, THERE WAS, UH, UH, SEVERAL PROPERTIES, UM, UH, THE EXPERIENCE THAT, AND THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IS, IS THAT SAY FOR INSTANCE, UM, YOU HAVE ONE WATER LINE FEEDING, TWO PROPERTIES, ONE PERSON WANTS TO HAVE A WATER LINE SHUT OFF, OR WE NEED TO DISCONNECT SERVICES FOR NONPAYMENT.
THEN WITHIN ESSENCE, WE'RE DISCONNECTING BOTH PROPERTIES, EVEN THOUGH ONE PERSON MAY HAVE PAID THE BILL, BUT IT'S ON TWO DIFFERENT PROPERTIES.
SO THEN YOU GET INTO A PROBLEM THERE.
IF THE METER IS A FAIL, THAT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, SO WHO IS THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR THAT SUBMITTER? IS IT THE PERSON THAT HAS THE LINE, OR IS IT THE PERSON THAT, YOU KNOW, AS EXISTING OR THE NEW LINE? UM, THE, UH, ALSO WE RAN INTO, UH, IF YOU HAVE, UM, BUT YOU HAVE TO RUN, YOU KNOW, IS THERE GOING TO BE A SEPARATE SEWER CONNECTION TOWARD IS GOING TO RUN OFF THE SAME SEWER CONNECTION? IF THERE WAS A BACKUP, HOW DOES THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS COME INTO ACCOUNT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES, UM, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, THE SUB-METERING PART IS, UH, UH, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, IT'S WHO IS, WHO'S ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT LINE, IF IT BREAKS, IF A NUMBER OF THINGS COME INTO INTO ACCOUNT THAT SEWER LINE.
SO, SO THAT SEWER LINE IS RIGHT NOW, THAT'S ONLY ONE TAB FOR THE RUSTIC FURNITURE OR, OR HOW FAR DOES THAT LINE EXTENDED? I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A SEWER OUT THERE.
SO MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, LEVELS, UM, IF THE, IF THE WATER METER BOX
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THAT WAS OUT THERE NOW AT THE PROPERTY OWNER'S EXPENSE OR, OR THE, OR THE GUY WHO'S WHO WHO'S WANTING THIS, AND I GUESS THAT'S POST LL, YOU KNOW, UM, WILL, IF THEY MOVED THAT, THAT TOOK THAT METER BOX OUT AND PUT A SEPARATE METER IN FOR RUSTIC THEY'RE ON A SEPARATE MATER, AND THEN THEY CAN TAKE THEIR LINE BACK AND PUT THAT ON A SEPARATE METER, WOULD THAT SUFFICE OR WOULD THAT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN METERED AND THEN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND I GET THAT IF IT WAS THE SAME OWNER, I'D BE ALL FOR IT.BUT, UM, IF, IF THEY WERE TO, IF THEY WERE TO PAY TO REMOVE THAT WATER METER BOX AND PUT A SEPARATE METER IN FOR, FOR RUSTIC, AND THEN THAT FOUR INCH LINE I'M SURE IS LOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO FIRE SUPPRESSION ON THAT LINE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE IN STORE FOR IT, FOR THAT SPOT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT FOUR INCH LINE WILL, WILL BE SUFFICIENT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT THIS, YOU KNOW, WELL, THE PIGGYBACK OFF OF IT PREDATES MY TIME IN A SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR SOME TYPE OF PERMIT GRANTED FOR USE OF THAT PROPERTY PRIOR TO THIS BEING BROUGHT UP, THAT REQUIRED WATERLINES IN SOMEBODY, I KNEW THERE WAS A SPECIAL USE, THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR MY OWN UNDERSTANDING FOR THE PRIVATE STREET.
BUT IN GENERAL, I, I, I WAS PROVIDED WITH SOMETHING THAT SHOWED THE OPPOSITE.
SO I JUST ALSO WANT TO WORK ON GOING FORWARD.
IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE PEOPLE EXCEPTION, PERMITS, AND SPECIAL USE PERMITS, NOT SURPRISED THEM AFTER THE FACT WHEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR PERMIT, BUT IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T LOGISTICALLY WORK OUT.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T EVEN HAVE ACCESS TO THE DOCUMENT BECAUSE IT PREDATES MY TIME ON COUNCIL, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE A SPECIAL USE OR A ACCEPTION USE PERMIT FOR WHAT THE PROPERTY WAS GOING TO BE USED FOR AT A SUBDIVISION OF A 10 ACRE PARCEL APPROVED BY THE TOWN.
AND WE'VE HAD A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT APPROVED BY THE TOWN.
AND WHEN THE TOWN, UM, PERMITTED RURAL RUSTIC FURNITURE TO HOOK, INSTEAD OF BORDERLINE, THEY CREATED A SUB-METERING SITUATION, BUT THAT MADE HER IS NOT AT THEIR PROPERTY LINE.
THAT METER IS A THOUSAND FEET AWAY FROM THEIR PROPERTY.
SO WE SET UP A METER FOR THAT PROPERTY.
AND IT'S NOT JUST FEELING LIKE A MASS CHAOS MEAN TO CLARIFY, WE'RE NOT REQUESTING TO EXTEND THE FULL ORANGE LINE WHERE WE'RE REQUESTING TO MEET HER FROM THAT FOUR INCH VINYL TO GRANT A WATER METER EASEMENT TO THE TOWN, TO LOOK FOR ONE IN SUPPLY LINES TO APPLY ANY, YOU SAID SEPARATE USE ON THIS PROPERTY.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET AROUND THAT $56,000 OR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TAP FEE.
WE DIDN'T HAVE AN EXISTING ORANGE TAB ON OUR PROPERTY THAT CAME WITH IT WHEN WE BOUGHT IT RUSSIAN, BASICALLY THE WATERLINE IS CURRENTLY SERVING THE FOUR AND A HALF ACRE ACRE TRACK.
THAT'S NOT UNDER YOUR OWNERSHIP.
YOUR OWNERSHIP IS A 74 ACRE PARCEL.
THERE IS CURRENTLY NO WATER LINE THAT'S EXTENDED TO POSSESSION IS NINE-TENTHS OF LAW THAT MADE HER WAS ON OUR PROPERTY THOUSAND FEET AWAY FROM THAT BOARD PARCEL YOU'RE SUB-METERING THEM METER CAN BE LEADING TO THE LINE.
IT CAN BE MOVED TO CAN RECLAIM, AND THEN HONEYWELL ALLIED ORIGINALLY, AND THEN LATER PUT IN THE STRONG NOTES.
YEAH, I WOULD SAY GIVING THEM THAT WE'RE LAND FOR THAT, THAT LOT.
CAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO THAT'S WHO WOULD HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT OF THEIR NAME, CORRECT LITTLE RUSTIC RESTAURANT.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT OF THEIR NAME.
SO TECHNICALLY WHEN YOU LET THEM PUT IT IN HER NAME, SINCE THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES USING IT, THEY WERE PAYING THE LORD'S WON'T MEET HER FEET.
TECHNICALLY YOU KIND OF, I WOULD SAY GAVE THEM THE OKAY TO TAKE OVER THE WATER.
NO, IT'S TECHNICALLY IT'S ON OUR PROPERTY.
THEY'RE PAYING A BILL TO THE TOWN FOR THEIR WATER USAGE OVER A FOUR INCH LINE THAT'S ON OUR PROPERTY THAT WE CREATED A ONE INCH LINE FROM THAT VALVE DENIED AT ALL TO THEM, CORRECT? YES, NO.
WE DID A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT.
WE BOUGHT TWO PARCELS OF LAND.
WE SOUGHT, WE BOUNDARY ADJUSTED THAT PARCEL DOWN TO FOUR ACRES.
SO THE OTHER PARCEL IS NOT WATER.
WELL THEN WE GRADED THIRD PARCEL AND ALL THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE TOWN.
SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE TOWN, WHEN THEY APPROVE A BOUNDARY JOHNSTON AND REPLANTED SANDERS, WELL, I MEAN THE BASIC, WHAT YOU'RE DEALING, WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A 74 ACRE TRACT OF LAND WE HAVE, WHICH IS UNDER ONE OWNERSHIP AND WE HAVE FOUR AND A HALF ACRES.
YOU GOT A 64 ACRE PARCEL LAND, A 10 ACRE PARCEL LAND IN THE EIGHT.
WELL, ON THE COUNTY GIS, IT SHOWS 1 74 ACRE TRACT AND IT SHOWS THE LINE FOUR AND A HALF ACRE
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TRACK SIGNATURES ON THE 10 ACRE SUBDIVISION FLY TO THE SUDDEN HAPPENED TO BE ON RECORD AT THIS TIME.I RECOMMEND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S STILL SOME DISCREPANCY AND SOME, UH, QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWER THE STAFF AND US.
WE, WE GO BACK TO GET INFORMATION AND BRING BACK TO COUNCIL TO CLARIFY EVERYTHING.
I THINK AT THIS POINT WE WANTED TO BRING YOU ALL UP, BRING YOU A FORM, TELL YOU WHAT, WHERE WE ARE TO SOME EXTENT, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD REVISITED AND THEN ALSO CAREFULLY LOOK AT WHAT THE CODE HAS TO SAY, OR JUST TRY TO CLARIFY SOME STUFF.
I DON'T THINK, WELL, I'M SORRY.
I'M I HAVE TWO MORE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE WRAP THIS UP AND PUSH UP OR I THINK FOR TRANSPARENCY PURPOSES.
AND SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
DID YOU SAY YOU HAVE ANOTHER DOCUMENT THAT IS ON THE RECORD? YEAH.
IT'S AT THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
IT JUST HADN'T BEEN RECORDED YET.
IT WAS APPROVED I THINK IN DECEMBER.
AND WHEN WILL THAT BE ON RECORD? OKAY.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, PART OF MY CAMPAIGN WHEN I RAN WAS I DON'T WANT TO ONLY BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY TO OPEN A BUSINESS.
I WANT TO BE A BUSINESS FRIENDLY TO OPERATE A BUSINESS.
AND I'LL, I'LL JUST STAY THAT.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I'VE SEEN THIS VENTURE COME TO FOUR EYES.
UM, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I HOPE WITH TOWN STAFF AND MANAGEMENT, THERE'S NOT ANY BIASED TO THE OTHER WATER ISSUES THAT WE'RE FACING WITH THAT PROPERTY.
UM, I, I'VE DONE WAY MORE RESEARCH THAN I INTENDED TO ABOUT WATER AND MANHOLES AND WINES.
AND I'VE HAD SEVERAL VERY INFORMATIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH VIDOT REGARDING THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY, BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT AREN'T ANYWHERE TO BE FOUND PER SE.
UM, AND I WENT BACK TO BEFORE THE COUNTY ANNEX THIS PROPERTY TO THE TOWN IN THE 1930S, FORTIES, EARLY FORTIES, RATHER.
UM, SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT READING SOMETHING SAYING NO.
I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO FIND ALTERNATIVES AND WAYS TO BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY, TO OPERATE A BUSINESS.
IF THERE'S A WAY WHERE WE CAN MAKE THIS DEVELOPMENT OR ANYTHING SUCCESSFUL, WE WILL GOING FORWARD.
IT NEEDS TO BE MADE CLEAR TO THE PEOPLE BECAUSE FOR ME I'M IGNORANT ENOUGH TO THINK, WELL, IF I GOT MY PERMIT, I MUST BE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT.
I WOULD HAVE TO LIVE OUT THE ATTORNEY, SPEAK ON THAT.
WE CAN'T, WHEN WE, WHEN PEOPLE COME IN AND START TO BITE OR A PLAT MOVE FORWARD, IT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THE DUE DILIGENCE.
CAUSE THEN WE TAKE ON LIABILITY OF GIVING THEM.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, THE YOUTHS WHEN IT WAS SUBDIVIDED.
AGAIN, W WE'LL WE'LL NEED TO LOOK THAT, BUT IF THERE'S A WAY THAT THE CODE ALLOWS US TO DO SOMETHING, AND THERE'S A WAY THAT THE COUNCIL CAN DO A WAIVER AND THEY FEEL THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD WANT, AND WE KNOW WE CAN DO IT WITHOUT CHANGING THE CODE.
I THINK, I THINK WE'D COME BACK, CORRECT? YES.
SO COUNCIL CAN ALSO AMEND CODES.
SO IF THE CODE SAYS, NO, THERE'S STILL WAYS TO MAKE THINGS WORK.
THE ORIGINAL LETTER ASKS US TO CHANGE THE CODE AMENDED.
SO YOUR QUESTION IS NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTIONS THAT ANY DEVELOPMENT QUESTION IS, WHAT CAN YOU NOT DO? AND THEN WHAT DO YOU NEED TO DO TO GET TO WHERE YOU WANT TO DO SO, SO THAT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO CHANGE THE CODE, TO ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN.
AND THEN THAT'S AT THE, WILL THE COUNSELOR, RIGHT? AND THEN WE'LL JUST NEED TO LOOK INTO IT IN A TIMELY MANNER, BECAUSE FOR ANY BUSINESS, TIME IS MONEY.
SO IF THIS TAKES US MONTHS TO GET BACK ONE TO A WORK, CAUSE I SHOULDN'T DISCUSS IT AGAIN.
I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF KICKING THE CAN, I'LL STAY HERE HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES TO WORK THROUGH THIS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T WE, I MEAN, GEORGE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT WHAT THE CODE, THE BASIC PRINCIPLE IS? YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE CONNECTION PER LOT PER PARCEL.
THAT'S WHAT SUPPORTS YOUR WHOLE SYSTEM? UH, 31 34 DASH ONE REQUIRES CONNECTION.
IF AVAILABLE, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE FACTS ON THE GROUND HERE IS WATER IS AVAILABLE TO HER.
IS THAT SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO CONNECT A SEWER, BUT YOU DO HAVE TO CONNECT TO WATER.
WHERE IS THAT? THAT'S SOMEWHERE ON KENDRICK LANE.
UH, THE FOUR INCH LINE, UH, FROM THE USER SIDE OF THE METER IS A LATERAL.
SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY YOU UNDERSTAND THE FACTS ON THE GROUND.
THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE THAT DOESN'T TO ME, BECAUSE THE FACTS
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WILL LIVE AROUND STILL DON'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT THIS METER, THIS FOUR INCH PIPE OR ON ONE PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT ANOTHER PROPERTY HAS BEEN GRANTED PERMISSION OR OWNERSHIP, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT ABUSE.I DON'T SEE THE PURPOSE OR THE POINT WHERE THE HAD TO CHANGE, AMEND THE CODE, WHATEVER, AND GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO KENDRICK LANE TO A 12 INCH PIPE WHEN YOU HAVE A FOUR INCH PIPE.
AND I UNDERSTAND BJ, YOU SHED SOME LIGHT ON STUFF THAT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS MADE A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSE.
AT LEAST THERE'S SOME JUSTIFICATION BEHIND IT, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE SUB-METERING AND LIABILITIES WITH THAT.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, I'M JUST NOT OF THE MINDSET OF SAYING WE'RE GOING TO DENY THIS AND THERE'S NO WAY TO FIX IT.
LET ME JUST REFRESH MY TIMELINE HERE.
SO WHEN WAS THE METER PUT IN PLACE PRIOR TO, OR THE FOLDERS IN THE 1940S? SO WHEN THAT WAS SUBDIVIDED AND THE PROPERTY WAS SOLD OFF, IT'S A FOUR INCH WAS PUT IN, IN THE FORTIES.
WHEN ALLIED HONEYWELL WAS BUILT, IF YOU LOOK OUT HERE AND THIS IS ARIEL, I MEAN, SO WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS SUBDIVIDED, THAT WAS ALREADY ON THE EXISTING PROPERTY, IT WAS SOLD AS HAVING WATER.
AND ESSENTIALLY IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU GET A DRIVEWAY OVER SOMEBODY, WHAT IS THAT CALLED? WHEN YOU HAVE EASEMENT, IT'S ESSENTIALLY AN EASEMENT WITH SELLING AND BREAKING OFF THE PROPERTY AND SELLING THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER MAKES THE CHOICE AND SAYS, I'M GRANTING THIS EASEMENT, THIS PART OF THIS WATER, THAT'S PART OF IT TO SELL THIS PROPERTY SO THAT I CAN MAKE MONEY OFF OF THAT TO DO ANOTHER PROJECT, ET CETERA.
AND SO THAT EASEMENT HAPPENS, RIGHT? WHAT WAS THE BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN I USED.
SO THEY OWN THE PROPERTY THAT HAD IT ON THERE.
AND THEN THEY SOLD THE PROPERTY THAT RELIES ON THE WATER.
SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY AN EASTLAND, NOT A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT, ALTHOUGH THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
WAS THERE AN ACTUAL BOUNDARY DRESSING ADJUSTMENT MADE WITHIN LIKE THE PAPERWORK? WAS THERE EVER A BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT? I DON'T KNOW.
I WOULD NEED TO SEE JUST SOME OF THE PAPERWORK.
SO SOME OF THE STUFF THAT HAPPENED WITH THAT, IF WE CAN GET THOSE TO US, I THINK THERE'S JUST A FEW PIECES OF THIS THAT WE NEED TO SEE.
AND I DON'T THINK RIGHT AT THIS TIME, THE LONG AGENDA.
SO I THINK THAT MAYBE IF WE JUST GOT A COUPLE OF THOSE THINGS PRESENTED TO US, THAT WE CAN LOOK AT SOME OF THE PAST HISTORY AGAIN, WE GOT A LOT OF MONEY HERE ARE NEW, BUT YOU ALONG WITH AGENDA, BUT WE GOT A LOT OF MONEY TIED UP AND WE, WE WANT SOME ANSWERS.
SO DON'T, DON'T PLAY LONG WITH GENDER WITH US.
AND LET ME JUST TELL YOU SOMETHING, WE'RE HERE TO MAKE BUSINESS AND TO DO THIS.
I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR LAWN WITH JEN.
WELL, MY ONLY OTHER LAST QUESTION IS THIS WATER THAT I'M LOOKING AT.
IT'S AFTER MY TIME ON COUNCIL TO MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL, IS IT, IS IT, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR TOWN MANAGER, JANE THAT'S JANUARY 17TH.
I WAS ON COUNCIL FOR JANUARY 17TH.
I THINK IT'S A QUESTION FOR THE TOMI INTERPRETER.
IT SEEMS IT WOULD BE TO ME, IF SOMEBODY WRITES IN A LETTER ADDRESSED TO MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL, IT WOULD BE SHARED WITH ALL COUNCIL.
AND I CHECKED MY COUNCIL EMAIL AND I DON'T HAVE THIS LETTER.
OH GOD, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO GET ALL OF IT AND HAVING THESE A PACKAGE.
THAT'S WHAT MY POINT WAS EARLIER.
I WAS TRYING TO SAY, IT'D BE BEST IF I HAD, I WAS ILL-INFORMED AND SOME OF MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ILL-INFORMED INFORMED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T OUR, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM.
LET ME GO, LET ME GET UP WITH TINA.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON ABOUT THIS? AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THE REST OF OTHER QUESTIONS ANSWERED, UM, IN A TIMELY FASHION, I WOULD READ IT HELPFUL IF WE DID THAT, BUT IN THEORY, HE HEATER THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE COULD SUPPLY THE 74 ACRE TRACT.
IS THAT LIKE, IS THAT ACCURATE TO SAY TECHNICALLY IT COULD HAPPEN, BUT THERE'S THIS, THIS CODE THAT SAYS BECAUSE OF TWO DIFFERENT OWNERS, IT CAN'T HAPPEN.
THAT'S WHAT THE CODE SAYS, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S A SUFFICIENT, IS WHAT IS THERE SUFFICIENT FOR THEM TO DO THAT? CAMPSITES THE WOODSHOP.
I DON'T THINK HE USES THAT MUCH.
THEN THE OTHER THING THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT, MINIMAL WATER THERE'S EIGHT ON ADAMS, SIX ON KENDRICK AND THEN OFF OF THE FOUR-INCH IT WOULD BE ONE INCH NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT'S HOW THE, THAT'S WHAT THE LETTER SAYS.
I KNOW, I KNOW THERE WAS NEVER GOING TO BE ONLY OVER 10 ACRES.
THIS NEEDS TO BE TIMELY AND CONSIDERED.
I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO BE IN ANY MEETING WITH Y'ALL.
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SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING.AND IF ANYBODY HAS, I HAD OTHER QUESTIONS TOO, BUT I JUST EMAIL THEM TO YOU GUYS.
THAT WAY YOU CAN ADDRESS THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME, RATHER THAN WE'RE CLEAR WITHOUT IT FOR EXTINCTION, THE FOUR AND FOUR LIONS.
WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO EXTEND IT PRETTY MUCH.
IF IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A CODE MODIFICATION AND STUFF, I THINK WE CAN FIND A SOLUTION THAT REQUIRES A CODE VIOLATION.
THEN WE'VE GOT TO COME BACK, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THAT'S MORE OF DELAY THAT THREE.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YEAH, I'M AGREEABLE TO WHATEVER YOU CAN DO TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE MINIMAL WATER USAGE FOR CAMPSITES AND IT SOUNDS EXTENSIVE TO ME.
WELL, MY OTHER THING IS WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME HERE, STAY THE NIGHT AND GO HOME, SPEND SOME MONEY WHILE THEY'RE HERE.
SO I'M ALL FOR ANY SHORT TERM VISITS.
I WOULD BRING NORTHERN VIRGINIA HERE TO STAY AT NIGHT OR, YEP.
UM, AND JUST ONE OTHER THING TOO, ABOUT LIKE AMENDING THE CODE, IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY, BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO START AMENDING IT, THEN, THEN IF YOU TAKE THAT OUT, THEN YOU'VE GOT THE OTHER SITUATION WHERE ANYBODY COULD TRY TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE ON ONE METER.
IS THAT CAUSE BUT I'M SAYING WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT IS WHAT IT COULD OCCUR.
IF IT WAS IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION.
THERE'S A QUITE A BIT OF HISTORY BEHIND THIS AND I'LL WRITE SOMETHING UP FOR YOU.
I THINK WE GOT OFF TO JUST GO TO WAVE IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE VERSUS CHANGING THE CODE EFFECTS.
NOW WE'VE GOT TO DEAL AND TAKE THE TIME.
MY PREFERRED, OTHER THAN CHANGING CODE, FIND THE WEIGHT FOR IT.
THEN YOU HAVE TO READ EVERYTHING AND UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT.
AND I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT.
AND AGAIN, IF WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IT ALL, WE CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION BASED ON THAT, ESPECIALLY AS PERMANENT.
SO JUST SO YOU GUYS ARE THEIR SIBLINGS IN THERE AND THE LETTER THAT I DIDN'T GET THAT WAS TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WHERE THEY'RE WILLING TO ADD ANY LEGAL LINGO WHERE THEY'RE ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY.
SO YEAH, NO, I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE AGREEABLE TO IT OR A LETTER AND FOR THE FACT THAT IT CAN TECHNICALLY HAPPEN WHERE THERE'S A WILL, THERE'S A WAY A MOM SAYS IT'S DEBRIS A AS, UM, THE F1 22 BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THE FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING, BJ OF THE, UM, WE'VE BUDGETED CONSERVATIVELY FOR FISCAL YEAR 22 ON THE MEAL'S TAX AND SALES TAX.
WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS TO TAKE THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE MEALS TAX AND SALES TAX AND MOVE THAT FORWARD OVER TO THE AUTO MAINTENANCE BUILDING.
SO WE CAN GET THAT PROJECT MOVING, HOPEFULLY.
UM, IS THERE A GO, UM, TELL US TWO AND A HALF AND JUST ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THERE.
THERE ARE SALES, THE MEALS TAX IS CURRENTLY TRACKING 17% OVER BUDGET, RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHERE THIS, SO THIS 170,000 WOULD REALLY BE ON WHAT THIS OVER TRACKING AND THE BUDGET IS THAT MEAN, THEN WE WOULDN'T.
SO SINCE WE BE ALLOCATING IT IN THIS BUDGET CYCLE, WE WOULDN'T NEED IT FOR THE NEXT ONE.
I WAS THINKING YOU WERE GOING TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR THAT AGAIN, YOU CAN GET SERVICE AT THE 170,000.
YES, THAT'S RIGHT AROUND THAT.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT IS THE ULTIMATE DETERMINING FACTOR IS WHAT THE BID FOR THE PROJECT, BUT THEN, UH, THE LATEST AND GREATEST, UH, BID, UH, WE SHOULD HAVE SUFFICIENT FUNDS TO COVER THE FIRST PAYMENT.
AND THEN, UH, WE CAN ADJUST ACCORDINGLY.
AND I'LL BET BECAUSE WE JUST HAD IT UPDATED ABOUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
SO I CAN'T MAKE ANY GUARANTEES, OBVIOUSLY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE MEALS TAX AND SALES TAX USE TAX QUESTION ABOUT THAT REGARDING OUR LONG STANDING CONVERSATION REGARDING TOURISM.
SO JUST CURIOUS WHERE THAT AFFECTS AND HOW THAT AFFECTS, IF ANYTHING, FROM OUR, UM, OUR WE'VE NEVER ALLOCATED.
UM, I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY CAN, WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO NEVER ALLOCATED ANY MEALS TAX DO TOURISM.
I MEAN, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN SUBSIDIZED BY THE GENERAL FUND.
YOU CAN CERTAINLY VIEW IT, HOWEVER YOU, BUT THIS ISN'T GOING TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE TOURISM THAT WE'VE ALREADY BUDGETED.
I PROBABLY MISUNDERSTOOD PAPER OF THIS FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING THAT BUILDING SAVES THE TOWN SO MUCH MONEY.
THE WELDERS IN THERE, WE ARE SO LUCKY TO HAVE EMPLOYEES LOOK AT IT.
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AND IF PEOPLE WORK, STEVE ONE WAS MY TOUR AROUND TOWN.AND THAT WAS, I WAS TOLD ABOUT THAT.
HE REWELDED THE SALT TRUCK STEPS AND STUFF, STEVEN AND I VIEW, AND THAT SAW, YOU KNOW, DOES A NUMBER ON THAT STUFF.
BUT I'M JOE Y'ALL SAID TO MOVE IT ALONG TONIGHT.
SO YOU GO AHEAD, INTERRUPT ANYTIME YOU WANT.
UM, IT'S PART OF OUR EARLIER DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UM, A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
THE IDEA IN MY MIND OF WHAT WE'RE ACHIEVING WITH THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN HERE, WE HAVE A BUILDING THAT'S FALLING DOWN AROUND OUR EMPLOYEES AND WE'RE HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, FIND THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET.
AND THEN THAT SERVICE IS, YOU KNOW, ALONG MY MIND, A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN IS GOING TO SET US UP.
SO THE NEXT TIME WE HAVE TO REPLACE THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING, WE DON'T HAVE TO WONDER WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING TO, WE'VE ALREADY PLANNED.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING THAT WE'RE ACHIEVING, BUT I HAVEN'T CORRECT.
THAT WAS PART OF THE CIP IN THE MODEL.
BUT IT'S MY PERSONAL CONVICTION THAT LATE, WE SHOULDN'T BE IN THIS SITUATION WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE LIKE BANDAID, UM, THE BUDGET FOR THIS BUILDING.
WE SHOULD ALREADY KNOW WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM.
AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE SETTING FUTURE COUNCILS UP IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE NOT HAPPENING.
AND THAT'S THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ADOPTED.
I THINK THAT GOES HAND IN HAND ALSO WITH THE PRIORITIES LIST THAT WE'VE NEVER HAD OR WHAT PRIORITIES NEED TO BE.
THREE B THE ADDITIONAL MESSAGE BOARD IS THAT YOUTUBE.
UM, THIS IS USING, UH, ROUGHLY $18,000 OF THE FUNDS THAT WE'VE CARRIED OVER FOR TOURISM FOR AN ADDITIONAL MESSAGE BOARD.
YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS A THOUSAND A WEEK CARRIED FORWARD.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE WON'T WANT TO USE THE MESSAGE BOARD FOR TOURISM EVENTS WHEN THERE ARE SPECIAL EVENTS IN TOWN, UH, ROAD CLOSURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND BECAUSE IT'S ROLLING STOCK, IT DOES REQUIRE COUNCIL'S APPROVAL FOR CURRENTLY.
WE ONLY HAVE TWO MINUTES, ONE GOES DOWN, WE CAN'T REALLY FUNCTION.
I'M SORRY, THE TRAILER TRAILER.
AND THAT'S WHAT ALSO GIVE US, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO HIT, UH, HIT, UH, WHERE THE INJURIES.
I HOPE NOBODY DOES, BUT THIS IS A NEED OR IS IT A ONE SAY SO IN OUR COMM AND THE INFORMATION WE GOT IT WAS, WE HAVE TO, AND WE SOMETIMES ATTEMPT, I THINK THE NEXT WORD SHOULD HAVE BEEN TO BORROW, BUT SOMETIMES ATTEMPT TO BORROW FROM SURROUNDING LOCALITIES.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST ASKING, CAUSE I KNOW OUR BUDGET'S REALLY TIGHT AND WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT WHERE ARE WE GOING TO FIND THIS MONEY? WHERE ARE WE GOING TO FIND THAT MONEY? AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT IMPORTANT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, IS IT A NEED OR ONE IF WE HAVE TO.
AND WHEN YOU SAY, WELL, IF ONE GOES DOWN, WE NEED, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER ONE, I JUST THINK WHEN YOU SAY BAR FROM OTHER LOCALITIES, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE, MAYBE WE ESTABLISH THAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP WITH ANOTHER LOCALITY.
LIKE, HEY, IF ONE OF OURS GOES DOWN UNTIL WE CAN GET ONE, I'M JUST WONDERING, AND IT WAS ALSO UNDER TOURISM MACHINERY AND EQUIPMENT.
AND I KNOW BEFORE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW THINGS KEEP GETTING LIKE TUCKED UNDER TOURISM.
AND I GET, IF IT'S FOR THE FESTIVAL LEAVES, I TOTALLY GET THAT.
OR THE LEAF PEEPERS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
BUT I ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, $17,000 IS THAT'S A PRETTY DECENT CHUNK OF MONEY.
AND IF WE DON'T NEED IT, MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING WE NEED MORE.
SO THAT'S ALL, I'M JUST LETTING EVERYBODY PERK.
WE'RE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE, WE'RE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO LIVE IN A FARRO WHEN WE WENT TO FARGO EITHER.
AND IT'S ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT IN THE FALL WHEN WE HAVE TO REDIRECT TRAFFIC AND GET PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT SPOTS AND ON THE RIGHT SIDES OF THE ROAD AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, I MEAN, I'M OKAY WITH THIS PURCHASE.
IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A MAJOR MOMENT TO ME.
LIKE, I MEAN, IF WE EVER TRIED TO BORROW ONE AND IT NOT BEEN AVAILABLE.
AND THEN, UM, THEY W I ASSUMED BY BORROW, YOU MEAN WE DON'T PAY THEM ANYTHING, BUT, AND THEN WE LOAN IF THEY EVER NEED THEM FOR MY , I'M SURE IT GOES
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WITHOUT SAYING, BUT I JUST HAVE TO ASK THE 17, 9 50, DID WE LIKE SHOP AROUND? THAT'S THE BEST DEAL? I GOT A GREAT VALUE VERSUS , , WHAT'S THE MOST IN AN IDEAL WORLD WHERE THESE WERE FREE, WHERE WOULD WE PUT? I CAN THINK OF 2, 3, 4.I MEAN, I'VE ONLY ENTRANCE IS COMING INTO TOWN.
SO THE, SO YOU KNOW WHERE THE MAJOR BACKUPS ARE, ESPECIALLY LIKE THIS ADRENALINE LEAF SEASON, OCTOBER, WHEN THE LEAVES ARE CHANGING, THEY'RE OFF CONSTANTLY.
AND AS MANY AS FOUR WOULD BE PROBABLY THE PREFERENCE, BUT THREE IS, I MEAN, I'VE DEALT WITH TOO OBVIOUSLY, BUT IF WE HAVE, IF WE HAVE A WATER BREAK AND WE HAVE A WINTER BREAK AND WE HAVE TO CLOSE DOWN A STREET, SO WE NEED, WE USE THEM FOR THINGS OTHER THAN JUST TOYS.
WELL, YEAH, WE'RE USING THE ONE UP BY POLICE GOES ON NORTH ROYAL RIGHT NOW FOR TRAFFIC FOR THE ROAD REPAIR.
I AGREE IF IT'S A ONE, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY.
IT SEEMS LIKE, BUT IT'S NOT JUST, IT WAS A FOURTH ONE.
BUT SINCE IT'S A THIRD ONE, Y'ALL GOT SOMEWHERE WELL, BECAUSE TWO AT LEAF SEASON AND IT GIVES YOU ONE EXTRA ONE.
I TRIED TO SAVE SOME MONEY ON TO SEE PURCHASE A POLICE VEHICLE.
UH, THIS IS, UM, UH, TO REPLACE THE VEHICLE THAT WAS CRASHED.
UM, AND WE'VE BEEN PURCHASING ALL THE STATE CONTRACTS AND IT HAS BEEN THROUGH COMPETITIVE BIDDING.
UM, THE LAST NAME WE DISCUSSED THE BUDGET AMOUNT OF WHERE ARE WE GOING TO RECEIVE THE FUNDS FOR THE INSURANCE? UH, THE DIFFERENCE IN THE FUNDS, UH, IS COMING FROM ASSET FORFEITURE.
UM, INSURANCE IS PAYING FOR MAJORITY OF IT, BUT ASSETS FORFEITURE, IF WE CAN.
SO THE INSURANCE DID NOT KEEPING THE VEHICLE FOR PARTS.
SO THAT'S WHERE THAT'S MAINLY WHERE THE 56.
CAUSE OTHERWISE IT WOULD HAVE PAID INSURANCE PRETTY WELL PAID FOR ITSELF.
THEY'RE WORKING SEPARATELY TO KEEP THE DAMN SHE VEHICLE.
RAY, FAIRLY NEW CAN USE A LOT OF PARTS OFF.
UM, THREE IS ADDITIONAL WATER USAGE FOR THE NEW BUILDING.
IT 1 95 TORI DRIVE WOULD BE ME AGAIN.
UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY LOCATED AT ONE 90 AND 1 95, UH, TORY DRIVE, WHICH IS JUST UP, UH, FROM THE REGIONAL JAIL THERE, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE GOLF COURSE.
AND, UH, BASICALLY, UH, WITH THE NEW BUILDING, THEY ARE ANTICIPATING A NET INCREASE IN WATER USAGE OF ABOUT A MILLION GALLONS ANNUALLY, UH, WHICH BREAKS DOWN ABOUT 2,700 ON A DAILY BASIS.
UH, STAFF HAS LOOKED AT THE CAPACITY OF OUR WATER SYSTEM AND USING THE LAWN MODEL AND HE'S DETERMINED, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR THIS AS WELL.
UM, AND THAT WAS COVERED IN PACKET, AS YOU PROBABLY NOTICED, UM, ACTUALLY THE, WE ARE RELATED.
AND SO I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND COVER II AS WELL.
UM, AND REALLY IT'S JUST, UM, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, FACILITATING THE DISTORTION OF 1 95.
IT WAS PRETTY INFORMATIVE AND THE PACKET, I THINK, BUT IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING, UM, YEAH, WE JUST WALKED SOMEBODY OUT THERE THAT HOW MUCH WATER WAS THAT .
SO THIS WILL BASICALLY REPLACE THE SCHEDULE WHERE THEY WOULDN'T USE NEAR WHAT THEY DID, BUT IT'LL PICK A LITTLE BIT OF A MILLION A MONTH, A MILLION A YEAR ANNUALLY.
SO ANYBODY ELSE ON THAT ONE? SO THE THREE F
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ANY EMPLOYEES, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, HR, UH, THREE UM, SO WHAT THIS IS, IS TO HELP US MAKE US COMPETITIVE WITH US AROUND ACCOUNT IS HOPEFULLY TO ATTRACT, SORRY.THIS IS UPDATED FOR THE EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK ON THE STANDBY PAY ONE CALL PAY.
BASICALLY THE WAY IT STANDS RIGHT NOW IS OUR EMPLOYEES WILL RECEIVE ONE HOUR OF BANG, UM, FOR BEING ON CALL, REGARDLESS OF WHAT DAY OF THE WEEK IT IS.
UM, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE IT MORE COMPETITIVE WITH OUR SURROUNDING LOCALITIES AND WHERE, UH, IT WOULD BE $35 FOR EACH DAY THAT THEY'RE ON CALL DURING THE WEEKDAY AND THEN $60 OR HOLIDAY IT'LL IN ALL ACROSS ALL DEPARTMENTS WOULD COST US AN ADDITIONAL $15,000.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN BUDGETED FOR NEXT YEAR.
IT'S WEIRD 23 BUDGETS YOU GUYS HAVE, AND THIS YEAR IT CAN BE, UM, UM, IT'LL BE THE VACANT POSITIONS.
UM, BUT, UH, IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE, YOU KNOW, ATTRACTING EMPLOYEES MORE EFFECTIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE HOUR A DAY FOR BEING ON CALL AND A HOLIDAY OR WEEKEND.
UM, NOT A LOT FOR SOME OF THESE.
AND THEN THEY WOULD GET PAID THOUGH, IF THEY GET CALLED IN, RIGHT? YES, THEY GET THEY'RE ON CALL.
THAT'S JUST $35 TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR STAYING NEAR BAD WITHIN A 30 MINUTE.
BUT IF THEY GET CALLED IN, THEY WOULD GET THEIR OVERTIME.
WHAT THEY'RE GETTING IS THE DIFFERENTIAL IN THEIR PAY VERSUS THE 35 OR 16 HOURS.
CAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE RECEIVING ONE.
NOW I ONLY, I SUGGESTED I WOULD MOVE IT OFF THE AGENDA JUST BECAUSE DAILY, WHEN WE'RE DOING THINGS FOR EMPLOYEES AND THAT KIND OF THING FOR IT TO BE CALLED OUT SEPARATELY.
AND SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
WELL, IT HELPS FOR THEM TO KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO BE COMPETITIVE.
NICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THIS IS OUR ONGOING DISCUSSION REGARDING THE DRAFT MOA JOINT AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN.
UH, WE HAVEN'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE MOST CURRENT REVISION.
YES, WELL, IT HAS AS THEIR ATTORNEY REVIEW THAT THE FINAL VERSION OF WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO WE GOT AN EMAIL TODAY AND IT WAS, IT WAS DATED AT THREE 15 TODAY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I COULD TELL YOU WHETHER I THOUGHT IT WAS THE MOST CURRENT ONE, BUT THE LATEST ONE.
AND IT TAKES OUT THAT ONE THING THAT EVERYBODY WAS CONCERNED ABOUT DON'T DELORES, AND ONE OF THEM WAS WANTING TO GET OUR INPUT ON THIS ONE.
AGAIN, YOU GOT TO READ THROUGH IT AND I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
I HAVE ONE RED LINE LAST WEEK AND WE GOT SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE WAY IT COMES THROUGH THE HIGHLIGHT NIKKI MINISTRATION HAS NOT SEEN.
SO, WELL, HERE'S THOROUGHLY PAUSING ON THIS THEN UNTIL I WOULD THINK, EVEN IF WE DON'T AGREE TO THIS, THERE'S THE FUNDAMENTAL STUFF WE JUST NEED FROM A FUNDING STANDPOINT, THIS BUDGET, THERE'S ONLY TWO POLICY QUESTIONS.
AND I THINK WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT THE MOA WE CAN AFFORD.
IF THERE'S AGREEMENTS ONE DISSOLVING THE DE DMO, THAT'S THIS ONE QUESTION STAFF NEEDS TO KNOW.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING ARE WE COMMITTING TO MATCH FOR SUBJECT PENDING ALL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DISSOLVE THAT, UM, BMO HER.
WE COULDN'T RETAIN OUR DMO EMAILING HER THE LAST WEEK WHEN WE WERE AT THE OTHER WEEK, BUT I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WELL WE NEED, WE NEED TO HEAR THAT FROM HER.
SO I HAVE A THREE HOUR MEETING THIS WEEK ABOUT THE DMO DISSOLUTION.
SO HER VIRGINIA TOURISM, NOT ANYBODY WE'RE PAYING BECAUSE I'M SORRY, I'M GONNA, YOU KNOW, LOBBY FOR MYSELF.
IF I'M BIDDING FOR THE JOB, HER VIRGINIA TOURISM, THE DMO IS MANAGED BY THE TOWN OF, FOR OIL, BUT COVERS THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
IT WILL NOT BE DISSOLVED RIGHT.
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ONCE WE, IF WE AGREE TO THIS JOINT MOA AND IF WE STOP FUNDING THEM.SO MY CONCERN WAS BEING A 5 0 1 C6.
THEY COULD WRITE GRANTS OR GET FUNDING FROM OTHER PLACES.
SO MY CONCERN ALL ALONG WITH US, JUST NOT FUNDING THEM.
DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, CUT THE HEAD OFF THE SNAKE PER SE, BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
IF WE STOP FUNDING THEM WHERE WE DON'T LOSE, DISCOVER FOR ROYAL, THE DMO REMAINS WITH US AND WE WON'T BE COMPETING AGAINST A SEPARATE ENTITY, CORRECT.
THAT ROYAL'S BRAND THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, AND I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION, OUR MEETING, I STILL HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
BJ, YOU BROUGHT UP AN INTERESTING POINT EARLIER ON A DIFFERENT TOPIC.
I WAS TOLD THAT THE COUNTY WE ALREADY KNOW HAS TO ALLOCATE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEIR LODGING TAX TO TOURISM, CORRECT? IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT THE TOWN DOES NOT KNOW.
A WHY SHOULD THE CITIZENS OF PORT ROYAL PAY FOR TOURISM TWICE? THAT WAS THE UNPOPULAR OPINION HERE.
WE WANTED TO BE A TEAM PLAYER AND JOIN FORCES WITH THE COUNTY, BUT I'M TOLD THAT OUR TOWN TOURISM BUDGET WILL COME FROM MEALS, TAX, NOT TAX REVENUE, LIKE NOT ANY OTHER TYPE OF TAXES.
IS THAT HOW WE'RE PLANNING TO FUND IT FROM THE BUDGET? PEOPLE FROM THE 5 0 1 C SIX TOLD ME THAT IT WOULD BE FUNDED BY MEALS TAX.
I MEAN, IT'S, UM, YOU CAN CERTAINLY VIEW IT THAT WAY, BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
SO WHAT, WHAT TAX WOULD BE FUNDING OUR, OUR PARTICIPATION IN IT ALL GENERAL FUND, ALL THE MEALS, THE MEALS TAX GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND, BUT WE KNOW BECAUSE THERE'S A BREAKDOWN.
CAUSE WE JUST DISCUSSED EARLIER WHAT MEALS TAX IS GOING TO PAY FOR.
THE RURAL EXAMINER KNOWS NORWEGIAN DAILY NOTES.
I'VE GOT MY QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.
SO I'VE WRITTEN THEM ALL DOWN.
UM, THERE WAS A LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET FOR UNIFORMS. THAT WAS PRETTY HAPPY.
CAN SOMEBODY EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE UNIFORMS WERE? CAUSE EVEN THE 5 0 1 C SIX DIDN'T KNOW THAT WASN'T YOU? THAT, THAT WAS OUR BUDGET.
IT WAS THE BUDGET UNDER TOURISM.
IT WAS, LET ME GO BACK TO LAST.
SO WHAT ARE I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT I DON'T CARE.
HOW MANY PEOPLE? UM, I THINK THERE'S SEVEN.
IF THEY WANT TO APPROACH IT, THEY WANT A SHIRT.
WE JUST TALKED ABOUT HOW THINGS GET PUT IN THE BUDGET UNDER LINES.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT UNIFORMS WE WERE FIRING.
I JUST SENT, YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS WONDERING.
SO IF JLL TAKES, IF THE 5 0 1 C SIX IS THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO CONTRACT WITH JLL AND ALL OF OUR TOURISM EXPENSES ARE GOING TO BE THEN GOING UNDER THAT, GOING UNDER THEIR PURVIEW.
RIGHT? SO WOULD THAT $400 STILL BE SEPARATE FOR US OR WOULDN'T THAT BE? BECAUSE IT'S NOT UNDERSTANDING THEY WOULD LITERALLY THEN HAVE, THEY WOULD BE EMPLOYING, THEY WOULD BE EMPLOYED IN THE VISITOR CENTER.
SO THEY WOULD BE EMPLOYING THEM.
THEY WOULD DECIDE IF THEY NEEDED UNIFORMS. THEY WOULD DECIDE STAFFING BUILT UNDER THE TOWN.
UM, UH, HAVING THE EMPLOYEES UNDER US CURRENTLY, IF YOU SEE THE PART-TIME SALARIES, BUT IF WE GO THE ROUTE OF, YOU KNOW, JLL TAKING OVER IT, THEN WE CAN CERTAINLY JUST TRANSFER DOWN.
ALL OF THIS WOULD GO TO THEM AND THEN IT WOULD BE THEIR DECISION ABOUT THEY WOULD BASICALLY MAKE.
AND IF WE BUY, YOU KNOW, AND IF THEY HAPPEN TO GET THE UNIFORMS BEFOREHAND AND THE EMPLOYEES HAVE THEIR SHIRTS ALREADY, THANK YOU.
I WAS JUST GOING THROUGH IT LINE BY LINE.
THAT WAS ON THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
AND I WANT TO STATE FOR THE RECORD BEFORE YOU SPEAK, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO TOURISM OR THE TOWN FUNDING TOURISM.
I'VE HAD MY QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ON IS IF THE GOVERNMENT JOBS A AND B THE PEOPLE OF THE TOWN PAY TWICE BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING THE COUNTY TAXES AND THE COUNTY IS FUNDING TOURISM, AS THEY'RE REQUIRED BY THE STATE CODE.
I'VE HAD BUSINESS OWNERS SINCE THE LAST MEETING, REACH OUT WITH THEIR CONCERNS BECAUSE THERE ARE BUSINESSES THAT WILL NOT BENEFIT FROM SPENDING OUR TAX REVENUE FOR TOURISM, 50 MILES OUT.
THERE ARE BUSINESSES ON MAIN STREET THAT WHEN TOURISTS COME HERE FROM 50 MILES OUT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE A SINGLE PENNY MORE, BUT THEIR TAXES ARE FUNDING THAT EFFORT.
AND I'VE HAD BUSINESSES THAT HAVE REACHED OUT, WANTING
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TO BURN ME AT THE STAKE BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO FUND IT.I'M NOT AGAINST TOURISM OR FUNDING FOR, SO THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY.
I AM AGAIN, BUREAUCRACY AND MAKING IT COMPLICATED AND CONFUSING AND NOT BEING ABLE TO ANSWER PEOPLE WHO ELECTED ME TO SPEND LESS ON THE WHOLE FACT THAT WE'RE PAYING COUNTY TAXES AS WELL, AND THAT THEY HAVE TO SPEND IT ON SITE, BUT WE DON'T.
THAT'S A VERY GOOD, INTERESTING.
I JUST NOTICED ONE OF THE REASONINGS BEHIND ALL OF THIS.
AND AGAIN, THIS PREDATES MY TIME ON COUNCIL WAS THAT, UM, THE IDEA WAS THIS UNIFIED MAGNIFIED WHERE THE GYM RIGHT WITHIN THE REST OF IT, AND THAT IF WE DON'T HARNESS THAT IN SOME WAY, THEN WHAT HAPPENS WITH TOURISM OUT? WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER, RIGHT? AND SO I MET WITH CARRIE FOR HOURS THIS WEEK.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT SEDONA, ARIZONA, AND PLACES LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN IS WHAT MAKES THE NAME FOR THE COUNTY.
AND SO IT MAKES SENSE THAT WE'RE ON BOARD IN THE RESULT THAT VIRGINIA TOURISM HAD AN ANNUAL GUIDE COME OUT THIS YEAR FOR 2022.
I DON'T KNOW THE COST OF IT, BUT WARREN COUNTY PLACED AN AD IN IT.
THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL PLACED AN AD IN IT AND DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL PLACED AN AD IN IT.
SO WE JUST PAID THREE TIMES FOR THREE SEPARATE ADS, WHICH TO ME IS VERY CONFUSING AND CONVOLUTED AND EXPENSIVE, NO MATTER HOW MUCH IT COSTS, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S 20 BUCKS, WE JUST PAID THREE TIMES TO MARKET FOR OIL.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW THAT HAPPENED OR HOW WAS THE GUY STRUCTURED? RIGHT? LIKE IF HE WENT TO, THERE WAS NO COMMUNICATION.
I TALKED TO THE COUNTY, I TALKED TO, I TALKED TO THIS GUY FRONT ROYAL.
THEY SHOWED UP IN DIFFERENT ASPECTS.
LIKE IF YOU WENT AND LOOKED AND YOU GOT WARREN HANDED THAT RESTAURANTS, YOU'VE GOT AS A TV GUIDE, IT'S A BOOKLET, RIGHT? THE TOWN I SUBMITTED, WHATEVER STEVEN SUBMITTED THAT SAID, THESE ARE THE EVENTS WITHIN THE TOWN.
THE COUNTY SUBMITTED THEIR SAME, COME SEE MORE IN COUNTY.
THIS IS THE EVENTS IN WARREN COUNTY.
AND THEN DISCOVER FOR OIL THAT THE SAME.
SO AMBER, I JUST WANT TO, UM, SO BECAUSE THAT SITUATION, THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE.
WHY WE NEED TO HAVE A UNITED FRONT WOULD NEED ONE THING, BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT US TO WHERE WE ARE TWO YEARS AGO IS THAT FOR ONE THING IS MY ONLY RESERVATION.
WE'LL SAY ABOUT THAT, ABOUT SOUND SYSTEMS PAYING THROUGH THE COUNTY AND STUFF.
SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, LIKE YOU SAID, THE CODE, THE COUNTY, UH, THE MEALS AND LODGING TAX IS, IS WHAT WAS REQUIRED TO DO.
SO MY THOUGHT IS, SO THE VIRGINIA TOURISM COMMISSION HAS A CHART OF LIKE MONEY ALL ACROSS VIRGINIA, WHERE THEY ARE.
SO WARREN COUNTY, WHICH INCLUDES US THEY'RE THERE, THEIR CALCULATIONS ARE $3 MILLION THROUGH TOURISM DOLLARS.
AND THE COUNTY, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND COULD ACCOUNT FOR LITERALLY LIKE A MILLION, FIVE OF THAT.
SO THAT MEANS THE OTHER MILLION FIVE IS COMING THROUGH THE TOWN.
SO I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THAT.
THE TOWN TAX PAYERS ARE PAMPERED, BUT REALLY IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOT $200,000 TOWARDS IT, AND THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE OUR SHARE OF THIS.
IF WE, IF WE JOINED TOGETHER THE $200,000, IF 1,000,005 IS COMING INTO THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL THROUGH TOUR, THROUGH MEALS, TAX, AND LODGING, UM, TAX, THEN, THEN IS IT THE TOWN TAXPAYERS THAT ARE PAYING OR AT, DO YOU KNOW, DOES THAT, YEAH, THAT'S WHERE I WENT.
THAT'S WHERE I WENT BACK TO TALK TO BJ ABOUT THE MEALS TAX, BECAUSE IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME LIKE, OH, IT'S NOT YOUR TAX REVENUE, THE TOWN CITIZENS AREN'T EVEN PAYING FOR IT.
THE TOURISTS ARE PAYING FOR IT, BUT THAT'S NOT TECHNICALLY TRUE.
AND I'VE MADE A LOT OF MEALS HERE.
SO I'M PAYING THAT AND I'M PAYING MY PROPERTY TAXES, REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T OWN ANYTHING SO THAT, IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT THAT I'M OPPOSED TO, TOWARDS THEM.
I HAVE, I WAS ELECTED TO RUN A CONSERVATIVE BUDGET WITH LIMITED GOVERNMENT AND THAT, AND THEN GIVING THE MONEY TO A BOARD THAT I HAVE NO SAY OVER, LIKE WHEN PEOPLE COME AT ME AND THEY'RE LIKE, WHY DON'T WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, GOOD TOURISM? I'M LIKE, WELL, I GAVE THEM $200,000 AND TOLD THEM TO DO WHAT THEY WANTED WITH IT.
I DON'T FEEL RESPONSIBLE DOING THAT.
THAT BEING SAID, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO FIGURING THIS OUT.
I'M READING THE NEW MOA, THEN I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO REVIEW IT.
CAUSE WE GOT IT RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING AND SCOTT I'LL LET YOU TAKE IT FROM THERE.
I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY AND ALL THAT, THE WHOLE TAXATION, I CAME HERE TO, UM, REDUCE TAXES, REDUCE, UM, EXPENDITURES.
UH, I, AND YOU KNOW, W IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TOWN, PEOPLE WANT, GOVERNMENTS ARE RUN MORE
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CHEAPLY.THEY'RE NOT CONCERNED OVER IN TALKING TO ME ABOUT OUR TOURISM PROBLEM.
UM, BUT I JUST THINK THAT THE CART'S A LITTLE BIT BEFORE THE HORSE HERE, UM, WE'RE IN, WE'RE IN, WE'RE DOING SOME REALLY GOOD WORK IN THE PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT STAGE OF A FRONT OIL'S STORY OR NEWS STORY, OR READ BERTHA REBRANDING, OR WHEN EVERYTHING, I THINK IT'S EARLY FOR US TO BE POURING SO MUCH MONEY INTO, UM, TOURISM AT THIS POINT, I WOULDN'T SUPPORT A MORE GRADUAL APPROACH WHERE WE CAN IDENTIFY INEFFICIENCIES.
LIKE WHEN YOU BROUGHT UP JOE, UM, FIND OUT WHAT'S WORKING WELL, WE KNOW THAT CLICKS ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR UP, BUT WE WERE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, THE EXTENT TO WHICH THAT IS PAYING OFF IN TERMS OF TAX REVENUE OR WHATEVER ELSE.
UM, I DIDN'T REALLY CONVEY LAST TIME, VERY WELL THAT, UM, UM, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, I'M HAPPY WITH THE WORK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE FOR DISCOVER FROM ROYAL, UM, FOR JLL.
UM, AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO WORKING WITH THE COUNTY.
UM, AND I'M NOT, I HAVE SERIOUS RESERVATIONS ABOUT, UM, UH, EXPENDITURES FOR TOURISM.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S REALLY NECESSARY TO LEGITIMATE, UM, EXPENDITURE FOR, UH, A TOWN GOVERNMENT, UM, AND GET THE ROADS WHERE WE NEED THE WATER TO BE ON.
WE NEED THE LIGHTS TO BE ON TOURISM IS SOMETHING, AND IT ONLY BENEFITS A SEGMENT OF, OF OUR GENERAL BUSINESS INTERNET.
THAT BEING SAID, UM, I, I CAN LOOK AT IT.
I COULD EXPERIMENT WITH IT IN, IN SMALL DOSES.
UM, BUT ALL THAT IS TO SAY, UM, I'M WILLING EVEN, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO AN MOA WITH THE COUNTY FOR THOSE PURPOSES.
WELL, I'M OPPOSED TO IS THE 5 0 1 C SIX TO CREATE AN ENTITY THAT BECOMES ITS OWN, THAT WE CAN'T KILL.
IF WE HAVE TO, WHEN IT, WHEN ALL THE P ALL THE WONDERFUL PEOPLE WHO ARE STEPPING UP TO BE ON IT NOW HAVE RETIRED, AND IT'S A NEW BUNCH, AND SOMEBODY TOOK THEIR EYE OFF THE BALL AND THEY'RE WASTED MONEY, AND WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
UM, I JUST THINK A CONTRACT SERVES THE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE A BETTER CAUSE YOU CAN GET OUT OF A CONTRACT.
ANYTIME WE WENT TO THE COUNTY.
IF WE'RE NOT, IF WE AS A TOWN OR IT'S, IT PROTECTS THE COUNTY BETTER, IT PROTECTS THE TOWN BETTER.
IT PROTECTS THE TAX CITIZEN BETTER TO JUST SAY, WE HAVE, YOU HAVE AN INSTRUMENT THAT WE CAN GET OUT.
THE LEGALLY SPEAKING OUT, BROUGHT THAT CONCERN UP, CAUSE I'D MUCH RATHER PAY A CONTRACTOR TO, I MEAN, YOU GET MORE BANG FOR YOUR BUCK, WITH THE CONTRACTOR.
AND THEN IF THEY'RE NOT DOING THE JOB TO YOUR STANDARD FIREARM, YOU'RE NOT SPENDING THE MONEY FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT.
IT SEEMS WHO DOES THAT CONTRACTOR REPORT TO? SO THAT WAS WHERE JOE AND LATASHA HAD ECHOED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
LIKE IT BASICALLY WOULD NEED TO REQUIRE A NEW POSITION WITHIN THE TOWN WITH WHAT FELICIA DID, BECAUSE WHAT EMPLOYEE DO WE HAVE THAT THE CONTRACTOR CAN REPORT AND GIVE THEIR ROIS TO, TO MONITOR.
SO I ALSO WAS IN FAVOR OF A CONTRACT, BUT WHO'S GONNA MONITOR THAT CONTRACT AND THE ROI, RIGHT? SO A COUPLE OF THINGS, ONE COULD IT, WHO HAS IT NEVER, WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT, THEY TRIED THAT BEFORE.
AND IT JUST DIDN'T BECAUSE THEY JLL COULD COME BACK TO US WITH $500,000 AND SAY, YEAH, IT'S WORKING GOOD LUCK AND SHOW US SOME REPORT.
AND WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT TOURISM OR WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO WE'RE LIKE, YEAH, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
HERE'S 500,000 MORE AND IT'S NOT REALLY WORTH.
SO, SO WE'RE GOING TO FIND THIS MAGICAL PERSON WHO HAS ALL THIS.
IT'S NOT A PERSON, IT'S A BOARD.
AND I HAVE MY RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE BOARD AS WELL.
HOWEVER, I WAS TOLD, AND I WOULD LIKE MORE LEGAL UNDERSTANDING AND GUIDANCE ON THIS.
THAT IF WE STOP FUNDING THE 5 0 1 C6 DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL IS OURS IMMEDIATELY AGAIN, CORRECT? BECAUSE THE RELATIONSHIP, BUT HERE'S THE THING.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS FIVE.
OH ONE THING WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
WE CAN KEEP IT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.
AND YOU COULD HAVE THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IF YOU WANT IT TO, BUT IT CAN BE THAT JLL CONTRACTOR RELATIONSHIP EVERYBODY'S PARTICIPATING AT THEIR OWN DEGREE OF WHATEVER WE COULD STILL DO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DISSOLVE OUR DMO.
OUR ISSUE HERE IS THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR OVER A YEAR AND WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD.
SO WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE THIS MONTH, SO WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE EDITED OR WHATEVER, IT MAKES EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE, WE NEED TO GET THERE AND MOVE FORWARD.
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WORTH DOING RIGHT.I'M NOT SAYING NOT DO IT RIGHT.
I'M SAYING TO GO THROUGH IT TO ACTUALLY, CAUSE THOSE ARE, YEAH, HE'S THE ONLY FIRING PEOPLE, LET US SIT IT.
SO, UM, NOW WE'RE NOW WE'RE HERE.
I THINK, WELL, WHEN THEY WEREN'T, BUT NOW WE'RE HERE, WE GOT INTO THIS COMBINE MOMENT SO THAT WE COULD COVER FOR THE FACT THAT WE WANTED TO GET RID OF PEOPLE AND DIDN'T WANT TO BE HONEST.
SO I'M SITTING HERE AND I'M LIKE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE STUCK WITH.
I SIT NOT STUCK WITH, BECAUSE WE CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THIS DOCUMENT AND GO BACK AND FORTH AND HAVE IT BASICALLY A CONVERSATION IN THIS DOCUMENT.
RIGHT? LIKE THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND GO BACK AND FORTH.
WE DON'T LOSE OUR BRANDING OF DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL.
WE DON'T HAVE TO LOSE OUR DMO IF NO ONE'S COMFORTABLE WITH THE 5 0 1 FEE, WE DON'T HAVE TO LIKE THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE BETTER THAN AN ADVISORY THAT REPORTS.
AND THEY HAVE, THEY'VE BEEN EVERY COMMITTEE.
THEY DIDN'T LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEY FELT LIKE THEIR VOICES WEREN'T HEARD.
AND WHEN IT CAME TO NEEDING MONEY, THE OTHER THING WAS TOO, IS THAT UNFORTUNATELY, FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT THIS HAPPENS, IT SEEMS TO BE THE NATURE OF THE BEAST WHAT'S HAPPENED IS, IS THAT IS THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN LIKE, IT'S LIKE THIS ONE'S THIS, THIS ONE'S THAT.
AND I THINK THAT THEY, THE IDEA OF THE 5 0 1 C6 WAS THAT THAT WAS AN ENTITY OF THEIR OWN.
THE WE'RE REQUIRED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE LODGING REPS AND THOSE THINGS THAT THEY WOULD BE, UM, THEY WOULD BE THE ONES WORKING WITH JLL AND THAT, YOU KNOW, SO, SO IT OF CAUSE JLL, AS YOU SAID, CAUSE UM, I MET WITH THEM AS WELL, BUT JOEL NEEDS TO REPORT TO SOMEONE AND, AND THE COUNTY OR THE TOWN, NEITHER ONE WANTS TO HIRE A DIRECTOR TO BE OVER IN CHARGE OF THIS BECAUSE THAT, THAT MODEL DIDN'T WORK BEFORE.
BUT YOU ARE, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE SOME OF OUR CONCERNS AT THE LAST WORK SESSION WERE ABOUT THE CONSENT THING.
I'M PRETTY SURE THAT WAS TO BE TAKEN OUT.
THE OTHER THING I KNOW IT WAS A BIG THING FOR ME IS THAT KIND OF ASKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS ARE WE GIVING ANYTHING AWAY? AND WE WON'T, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS? AND SO I WAS TOLD, BUT OBVIOUSLY JIM, WHEN YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU CAN LOOK OVER THE MOA AND MAKING SURE THESE THINGS, BUT THAT DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL IS LIKE THE BRAND.
IF WE STOP FUNDING THE BOARD THAT THE MOA STATES OR WE MAKE SURE THE MOA STATES ARE SUPPOSED TO STAY, THAT ALL ASSETS ARE ON LOAN TO THE 5 0 1 .
SO I KNOW THAT WAS A BIG CONCERN FOR US.
SO THAT WAS A NEW ONE WITH SCOTT.
IT JUST CAME TO COUNCIL THIS EVENING FROM THREE 15 TODAY, THIS IS 2 15, 3 15:00 PM.
THE LAST MEETING, HOW DID THAT GO? I MEAN, DID YOU WOULD BE LIKE AN EXIT CLAUSE OF SOME KIND OF, I THOUGHT YOU SENT US AN EMAIL WITH, I CAN EXIT CLAUSE IN TERMS OF LIKE, IF THIS DOESN'T PAN OUT IN THREE YEARS, I'LL JUST READ THE COVER, EMAIL, THE ATTORNEY, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
SO I MAY HAVE, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN YOURS.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE WERE CHANGES MADE AFTER IT.
UM, THE COUNTY DOESN'T MIND, THE FRONT ROW WISHES PAY INTO DISCOVER FRONT, ROLL OVER LOGO, OR REQUESTED THE LICENSE TO THE LTB.
YOU EVER VOCABLE AS MUCH TIME, TROUBLE EXPENSE WILL BE INCURRED IN THIS ENTERPRISE WITH FRONT ROW AFRICATOWN TERMINATES AGREEMENT THAT COUNTY MAY WANT TO DO.
THERE WAS STILL THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM, BUT NEITHER THE TOWN OR THE COUNTY NORTH AGENTS CAN FORM A NONPROFIT.
W WE MET ONE OF THE TWO, IT'S STILL A PROBLEM.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE WAY THROUGH BEFORE, UM, THIS WAS AFTER YOU ALL SAID FOR THEM TO GET UP WITH THE CAT.
AND SO THIS CAME FROM THE COUNTY HITTER.
SO I JUST ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ADD FOR THE RECORD, CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF BLAME BEING PLACED AND I'M NOT ABOUT THAT.
I'M LIKE, I DON'T CARE WHO DID WHAT? LET'S FIND A RESOLUTION LET'S GET THERE.
BUT I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE SAID LIKE WE'RE DRAGGING OUR FEET AND WE HAVE RESERVATIONS.
I THINK THAT'S BEING A GOOD STEWARD OF OUR RESOURCES AND MONEY BY ASKING QUESTIONS AND LEARNING MORE.
AND MY OPINIONS ON IT HAVE EVOLVED AND CHANGED OVER TIME.
BUT IN MY MEETINGS AND RESEARCH THIS WEEK, UM, UP UNTIL THIS JOINT THING, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THE COUNTY HAD NO LINE ITEM FOR TOURISM.
SO WE'VE HAD OUR OWN SCRUTINY OVER WHAT'S UNDER FOREST ON HOURS, BUT THE COUNTY
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DIDN'T EVEN HAVE ONE.SO I THINK THIS IS BRINGING TRANSPARENCY, WHETHER IT PANS OUT OR NOT GOING OFF THAT EMAIL, I'M NOT BEFORE, BUT IT'S SPELLED THE FRONT ROW SHELF.
ONE HALF OF THE BUDGET ALONG WITH WARREN COUNTY AND DISCOVERED FROM YOUR MOUTH WOULD BE FUN TO BE DECIDED BY THE COUNT AND COUNT EACH THREE, AS FAR AS THE RESPECTIVE BUDGET PROCESS WAS THAT STRANGE, BUT WE STILL WANT IT.
WE STILL WANT IT TO SAY SUBJECT TO FUND ME THAT THAT WAS NOT WHEN AND YOU KNOW WHAT THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THAT CAME FROM THEIR ATTORNEY.
MY CONVERSATION WAS SOMEBODY THAT WAS WITH CARRIE THAT WAS ON.
SO, SO I THINK WE ALL DO NEED TO GO BACK AND READ THEM, READ THE MOST RECENT ONES.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL OF THIS AS PART OF OUR PACKET.
AND WE JUST HAD THIS ONE-SHEETER WELL, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING.
WELL, JIMMY AT NIGHT TODAY'S THE 15TH AND WE DIDN'T GET ANYTHING WE NEED.
I WANT TO SAY, AS SOON AS I GOT IT, I DID FORWARD IT TO, I'M ALMOST POSITIVE.
THAT'S WHY THAT DOESN'T SOUND NEW TO ME.
BUT THE WAY THESE COME IN ON THE SIDE PAD THIS YEAR, THE NINTH WAS LAST WEDNESDAY.
WELL, I, I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS GOING TO BE ANOTHER MOA.
THE ONLY MOA OUT THEN HAVING IS THE ONE WE'RE WORKING ON NOW, RESPECTFULLY MOA.
I JUST LIKE ALL THAT CORRESPONDENCE GOING FORWARD.
SO WHEN WE'RE SITTING HERE, WE DON'T WANT IGNORANCE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE WE GOT TO THE TABLE TONIGHT, I FEEL KIND OF GOOFY RIGHT NOW.
IF THE GRANT CAN HELP ADVOCATE IT FOR THEM.
AND THEY SAID, YOU'RE A VOCABLE IF GRANT WILL SHOW ME HOW TO DO IT, I'D ASK OR METRICS LIKE, BECAUSE I GUESS THE TOURISM BOARD THAT, UM, THEY MET LAST WEDNESDAY, I KNOW STEVEN WAS ABLE TO ATTEND.
I THINK YOU WERE THE ONLY PERSON.
WELL, THE PROBLEM IS TOO, IS THEY MEET EARLIER IN THE DAY AND IT'S HARD FOR OUR REPRESENTATIVE.
I WORK A HUNDRED PERCENT REMOTE AND I HAVE VOLUNTEERED TO ATTEND ANY DAY MEETINGS AND I'VE NEVER GOTTEN AN INVITATION.
I'M ALWAYS TOLD, DO TO PRESS NO MORE THAN TWO.
SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO ATTEND ONE OF THESE.
IT'S NOT BAD AT WHAT I'M SAYING AT LIKE LATASHA AND GARY ARE ASSIGNED TO THAT COMMITTEE.
SO THEY'RE THE ONES I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF THEY, WHEN THEY'VE BEEN SCHEDULING THE MEETINGS, THAT'S BEEN DURING THE DAY OR EARLIER IN THE TAR, BUT THEY APPARENTLY HAD A MEETING LAST WEDNESDAY AND JLL PROVIDED THEM WITH, UM, HIGHLIGHT, UM, NO REPRESENTATION, MARKETING CAMPAIGN RESULTS.
AND IF GRANT WAS SHOWING ME HOW TO SEND THAT, I'LL SEND THAT TO ALL OF YOU OFF.
SO YOU CAN SEE, CAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JOE, YOU ALWAYS ASK ABOUT METRICS AND UM, AND IT SHOWS, IT SHOWS WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THEY'VE DONE SINCE APRIL 5TH, IT WAS THE YEAR END 2022 REPORT.
YEAH, I JUST, YEAH, I GOT IT FROM THEM.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I WOULD ASK? PROBABLY MOVING FORWARD, WE SHOULD ASK THEM TO SEND IT TO US, NOT JUST THE COMMITTEE, LIKE, BECAUSE IN THE MOA AS TO WHAT MAYBE WITH SHARE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE.
BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE'S LIMITED INFORMATION SHARED, WE'RE ALWAYS ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS.
LIKE, PLEASE LET US SEE METRICS, BUT I SEE WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
AND WE'RE ASKING, YOU KNOW, WE JUST KEEP GETTING THE SAME, FEELS LIKE THE SAME MOU THROWN AT US OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
AND AGAIN, I WANT TO WORK VERY WELL WITH THE COUNTY.
I WANT TO WORK TOGETHER TO A SOLUTION ON THIS, BUT I WANT TO FIND THAT ONE WORKS THAT BOTH FOR THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY.
AND UNFORTUNATELY IT'S, EVEN TO ME, I THINK YOU'VE SWAYED ME A LITTLE BIT.
IT'S FINALLY, YOU FINALLY SWAYED ME A LITTLE BIT ON THIS IS THAT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE HEADING AS DIRECTION WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST KEEP, JUST KEEP SAYING THE SAME THING AGAIN, 50, 50, 50, 50, AND IT'S LIKE, IT'S NOT ACCURATE IN TERMS OF WHAT ARE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO USE ANY OF THAT FOR TOURISM, WHICH I THINK IS A KEY POINT WE'RE WILLING TO, OF COURSE ENSURE THAT WE HAVE REPRESENTATION, BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO SHORE, UM, WE, WE REALLY NEED SOME KIND OF ANOTHER, A SECOND JOINT TOURISM COMMITTEE MEETING OF SOME KIND, LIKE WE HAD FELT LIKE WE WERE HEADED THAT DIRECTION AND MAYBE WE JUST MADE IT LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD HAVE GONE ON FOR THREE DAYS NONSTOP, MAYBE SOMETHING WHERE WE HAVE A LIMITATION AT THAT LEADING THAT MIGHT HELP HAVING FACILITATED.
UM, SO SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES AND I JUST ECHO THE SENTIMENTS, UH, WITH US NOT HAVING TO ALLOCATE ALL OF OUR TOURS OF BUDGET TO TOURISM AND HAVING MY MEETING WITH CARRIE.
IT REITERATED MY CONCERNS THAT WE SHOULD ALSO BE ALLOCATING TOURISM MONEY TO INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE I DON'T EVER DRIVE THROUGH A TOWN
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WITHOUT SIDEWALKS OR PARKING AND SAY, HMM, LET ME GET OUT AND WALK AROUND AND SPEND SOME MONEY AND TO EXPLORE THIS AREA.I MEAN, IF I DRIVE THROUGH A TOWN AND THERE'S NO PARKING AND THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS, I'M NOT STOPPING AND GETTING THERE WITH THE COUNTY, YOU THINK BE WILLING TO SHARE WITH US.
I MEAN, I GUESS I KNOW THEY'D PROBABLY SHARE OUT THEIR BUDGET, BUT SHARE, YOU SAID THAT YOU DIDN'T SEE IT BROKEN OUT.
AND SO IN SOME RESPECTS TO SEE SOME MORE OF WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, THE SUPERVISOR SHARED WITH ME THAT SOME OF THE SUPERVISORS CURRENTLY SETTING WHEN THEY CAME INTO THEIR POSITIONS, THERE WAS NO LINE ITEM FOR TOURISM WHATSOEVER.
SO THEY'RE WORKING ON GETTING IT DEFINITIVE.
SO THERE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND ALL OF IT ON TOURISM.
WHAT ARE THEY SPENDING THE REST OF IT ON? BECAUSE I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW HOW THEY'RE HELPING THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD THAT WHOLE SNOW DISCUSSION AT THIS PUBLIC MEETING ABOUT THAT SECTION, THAT SIDEWALK IS THERE.
AND I'M THINKING TO MYSELF, IT'S ALL FROM SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL TO SKYLINE MIDDLE SCHOOL.
THE TRACK TEAM RUNS IN THE ROAD AND THEY, I DON'T KNOW WHY.
SO I JUST WANTED THIS ONE ABOUT THE TOURISM AND THE CA IT IS IN THE CODE THAT THEY HAVE TO, UM, IT, ISN'T THE CODE OF VIRGINIA THAT THEY HAVE TO ATTRIBUTE TOO MUCH.
I THINK PROBABLY WHERE SOME OF THE CONFUSION AND THE DJ AND I WERE DISCUSSING TOURISM.
ISN'T SO, SO DEFINED THAT I PERSONALLY THINK WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING OVER THE YEARS AND NOT JUST HERE IN THE TOWN IN THE COUNTY IS THAT IT JUST GETS LOOSE.
LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE SPENDING, WE'RE SPENDING THIS ON TOURISM, WE'RE SPENDING, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT SIGN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, I CAN SEE HOW IT COULD BE TIED TO TOURISM, BUT IS IT, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS SAD TO ME.
I KNOW, BUT IF IT'S A SIGN THAT SAYS WE HAVE A WATER MAIN BREAK, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S TOURISM, BUT ANYWAY, YOU'RE A NUMBER ONE TOURIST.
SO WE'RE GOING TO ALL LOOK AT THEM AWAY AGAIN.
AND, AND I, I DO THINK THEY'RE JUST, LIKE WE SAID EARLIER TONIGHT, THIS, THIS TIME SENSE THAT THIS IS FEBRUARY SPRING WAS COMING.
WE FIND OUT IF THIS MOA THAT WE EVEN THREE 15 WAS APPROVED BY THEIR ATTORNEY, WE DON'T KNOW THAT WHATEVER JIM'S GOT WE'LL GET FORWARD.
AND THIS IS FROM THE 15TH, MY UNDERSTANDING LAST WEDNESDAY.
I DID GET THIS, UH, UH, DID GET THE COMMENTS FROM COUNTY ATTORNEY.
THE SAME DAY WE GOT, WE HAD A JOINT MEETING AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THEY WERE ALREADY MAKING REVISIONS TO THE MLA AT THAT JOINT MEETING.
SO THIS WAS ALREADY OLD MOA RIGHT THERE BECAUSE I MADE DRASTIC CHANGES BEFORE THE JOINT MEETING.
AND SO MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY WERE GOING TO ADD THE JOINT MEETING AGAIN, DISCUSS THE MOA AND COMMENTS.
ACTUALLY, WE GOT A MEETING TOMORROW TO DISCUSS THE ARPA FUNDS THAT WE RECEIVED 170,000.
SO WHILE THAT EMAIL AND WE JUST EXCHANGE, WE LOOKED AT EMAILS.
THIS WOULDN'T REALLY MATTER AT THAT POINT BECAUSE THE JOINT MEETING THAT WE HAD LAST WEDNESDAY, THEY ALREADY CAME UP WITH A NEW MOA.
THE CONCERN I HAVE IS THOUGH THE WAY AT MY UNDERSTANDING, THE JOINT COMMITTEE MEETING, YOU ALL TELL US WHAT YOU WANT AND JUST TELL THE LAWYERS, THIS IS WHAT BEEN WORKED UP.
WE HAVE TO GET THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT YOU ALL WANT.
THE REST IS JUST LETTUCE, TOMATO, AND ELEGANCE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST DELIVERING THAT MESSAGE TO COUNCIL AND, AND THE JOINT COMMITTEE AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO WE DO NEED A MEETING, BUT THE JOINT COMMITTEE MEETING, UH, IS THE ONE THAT'S TAKING THE LEAD ON HAVING LATASHA AND GARY OR COUNCILMAN, COUNCILMAN THOMPSON AND COUNCILMAN COLLAPSY ON THAT COMMITTEE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK, TO REPRESENT WHAT Y'ALL'S VOICES ARE.
I HEAR ACCURATELY THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE REPRESENTATION AT LAST WEEK'S MEETING.
SO YOU WERE THE ONLY, THE ONLY REPRESENTATION.
AND THE CHANGES THAT I BROUGHT UP THE QUESTION IS IF THE TWO PEOPLE APPOINTED TO THIS BOARD, CAN'T ATTEND.
WHY COULDN'T A MEMO BE SENT OUT TO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SO THEY COULD ATTEND.
I WOULD HAVE GLADLY ATTENDED IN THEIR PLACE.
SO I COULD BE IN THE KNOW THAT THAT IS THE JOINT TOURISM COMMITTEE GROUP.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHO OR WHO WASN'T THAT, BUT CAN YOU HAVE A SUBSTITUTE, LIKE AS ACCOUNT? CAUSE I I'VE ATTENDED, NOBODY SENT ANYTHING OUT.
I WOULD'VE ATTENDED SCOTT WHEN I DID TEN ONE A WHILE BACK.
PAT CAME TO THAT, JOE, BUT I HAVE REQUESTED IN THE PAST THAT WE HAD THESE MEETINGS, AT LEAST AFTER FOUR OR FIVE, SO INDIVIDUALS CAN ATTEND BECAUSE I KNOW COUNCILMAN , HE WORKS IN LAVIN COUNTY.
NOW THEY'D SEND OUT, IT'S A RECURRING MEETING AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
IT'S WEDNESDAYS AT THREE O'CLOCK WHEN EVERY WEDNESDAY.
NO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN THAT MEETING
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AND THIS MOA CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE ATTORNEY.SO LAST THING I, I, I SPOKE WITH SUPERVISOR OATS THIS EVENING, AFTER THIS EMAIL WENT OUT AND I GOT THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS WAS THE MOST RECENT ONE, ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE A MEETING TONIGHT TOO.
AND I SAID, I HADN'T EVEN GOTTEN A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE IT CAME THROUGH MY EMAIL AT THREE 19.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO, SO, AND IT MAKES THE CHAT.
WELL, THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY TWO YEARS HAVE GONE BY AS WE'RE WE'RE HERE TO, I MEAN, WE'VE HINTED ON, WHEREAS I MEAN, TOURISM HASN'T STOPPED AS WELL AS ALL OF US TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
WE'VE GOT $3 MILLION WORTH OF REVENUE IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO TOURISM.
I UNDERSTAND OUR NUMBERS WERE UP OUR NUMBERS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DID DURING COVID WARREN COUNTY WERE DOWN 21.09% NEGATIVE 2019 IN TERMS OF OUR TOURISM METHOD.
SO OUR LOGIC WENT UP, CORRECT? YES.
IT'S ALMOST RECOVERED COVERED.
THERE'S GOT THE CHART THAT THEY SENT ME.
AND AGAIN, I COULD SEND THAT TO Y'ALL TOO, IF I COULD FIGURE IT OUT IS HOW TO DO IT OFF THIS IPAD.
BUT THEY, IT WAS LIKE IT'S ALL THE YEARS UP TO 2020, AND ACTUALLY 2020, WE TOOK A DIP, BUT WE, BUT SO IT WHO KNOWS, MAYBE IT'S BETTER TO GET THAT FROM, YOU'RE NOT TO ASK CARRIE.
I ASKED MS. BARNHART FOR IT WHEN I MET WITH HER AND SHE PIECEMEAL TOGETHER.
SO ALSO I WILL SAY THE, PROBABLY THE, THE MOST, UM, THE BIGGEST EFFORT WE MADE TOWARDS THIS WAS THE LAST TIME WE ALL GOT IN THE SAME ROOM TOGETHER.
AND I'M TRYING TO, NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR THAT, BUT I REALLY THINK IT WOULD BE WHO OF US ALL TO DO ANOTHER, LIKE I SAW IN ONE ROOM, THEM ALL IN ONE ROOM.
AND INSTEAD OF HERE'S AN MOA, HERE'S AN MOA, HERE'S AN MOA.
AND TWO MONTHS LATER, HERE'S THE NUMBER LIKE LET'S JUST GET IN A ROOM.
THIS IS WHAT WE CAN ALL AGREE ON AND MOVE FORWARD.
SO IF PEOPLE WERE AMENABLE TO THAT, WE CAN REACH OUT AND TRY TO DO THE SAME THING AGAIN THAT WE DID IN NOVEMBER.
YOU NEED TO JUST KIND OF LIKE, I MEAN, COME BACK TWO YEARS NOW.
THERE'S JUST SO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE REPRESENTING SO MANY DIFFERENT PARTS.
SO WHEN WE'RE ALL IN A ROOM ONCE, AND FOR ALL, WE'RE ALL GETTING THE SAME INFORMATION ACROSS THE BOARD.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BUT JUST TO KEEP IN EVERYBODY'S MIND, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE OR BUSINESSES IN THE TOWN, THE COUNTY WHO BENEFIT THE MOST FROM TOURISM AND GET TOGETHER ON THEIR OWN INITIATIVE AND TO VOTE OF THEIR BUDGET, TO A JOINT EFFORT, TO ADVERTISE FOR THEMSELVES ON THEIR OWN.
IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME WHY THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO BE INVOLVED ALL THROUGH TAX REVENUE.
YOU COULD JUST CUT OUR MEALS TAX.
THE IDEA IS TO INCREASE TAX REVENUE BY USING TAX REVENUE TO DO IT.
BUT THEN THAT SOUNDS SUPER BUREAUCRATIC.
IF THAT WORKS, IF THAT WORKS, THEN WE SHOULD JUST RATHER SLASH THE REAL ESTATE RAISING TAXES UNTIL WE MAKE PEOPLE WANNA LIVE HERE, SPEND MONEY HERE INSTEAD OF MAKING SHORT TERM RENTALS.
BUT YEAH, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF IT REALLY WORKS THAT WAY, THEN WE CAN, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WHORE, YOU KNOW, HALF OF OUR BUDGET INTO TOURISM AND THEN HAVE THAT MULTIPLIER EFFECT, TAKE CARE OF HER, SPEND MONEY TO MAKE MONEY.
IF THAT WORKS, BUT YOU DO HAVE TO SPEND MONEY TO MAKE MONEY, BUT TO A RESPONSIBLE JUSTIFIABLE DEGREE, I MEAN, OH, BECAUSE WE HAVE 6% IN THIS LODGING TAX, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND IT ON THIS.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHY IN THE CODE, IT, YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO CHARGE IT, BUT THE CODE ISN'T FOR, I KNOW, BUT I'M NOT ALLOWED YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO.
IT'S PART OF IT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO CHARGE IT.
YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SPENDING IT.
I MEAN, THAT'S AT A COUNTY LEVEL, UH, BJ, COULD YOU, IS THAT JUST THE COUNTY CAN CHARGE MEALS TAX AND OTHER THINGS ARE REQUIRED TO SPEND IT REQUIRED TO SPEND IT OR DO THEY, BUT WE COULD DO SO WE CAN DO AWAY WITH THAT TAX THEN THAT WE COULD JUST DO AWAY WITH THAT AND NOT CHARGE THE MEALS TAX AND ALL THAT COUNTY MEALS TAX IN TOWN LIMITS.
THERE'S ONLY TOWN OUTSIDE OF TOWN LIMITS THIS COUNTY.
I THINK PEOPLE WOULD COME TO TOWN TO EAT.
I THINK THE MAJORITY OF MEALS TAX IS SPENT IN THE TOWN LIMIT.
THE MAJORITY OF MEALS TAX IS IN THE TOWN LIMITS.
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THE TOWN HAS MAKES MORE OFF MEALS.I'LL JUST ADD FOR COUNCIL, THE MEALS TAX AND THE TOWN IS HIGHER THAN THE COUNTY.
AND WE DON'T HAVE RETAIL CHAIN LIKE APPLEBEE'S CRACKER BARREL.
I HOP TGI FRIDAYS AND WE'RE MAKING MORE MEALS TAX AND THE COUNTY FIVE GUYS, LET ME SOME BURGERS SPELUNKERS ARE BETTER.
SO NUMBER FIVE IS OPEN DISCUSSION.
AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I'M GOING TO LET MS. TOM, UM, I'M GOING TO TAKE, NORMALLY WE STOP AND TAKE A BATHROOM BREAK, BUT I DON'T WANT TO HOLD EVERYBODY UP.
SAY IF WE CAN EXPORT WITH LAUREN ANY, DO I THINK SO? I KIND OF WANT TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND HOW OUR ABILITY OUR NEW NEWLY FORMED DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO HELP GO AFTER SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT ARE WELL, THAT, THAT IS PART OF THE PRESENTATION YOU WANT TO WAIT.
CAUSE I HAVE A LIST I'LL SHOW YOU PROBABLY HAVE THE SAME LIST.
YEAH, I GUESS THE NEXT ONE WE'LL TAKE A RECESS.
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WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED THEN NEXT PART OF OUR AGENDA AND UH, VOTING CODE UPDATE.THE LAST TIME I HAD A BUNCH OF BUILDERS IN THE ROOM IN WILLIAMSBURG WITH, UM, WHEN I WAS HIRED AS A DEVELOPMENT MANAGER TO KIND OF REORGANIZE AND RELOOK AT HOW WE DO PROCESS.
SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET AN UPDATE.
UM, AND THE UPDATE IS GOING TO BE ON TOP OF THAT BUILDING CODE DIVISION, THE BLIGHTED ABATEMENT MOORE COUNTY, HOME BUILDERS, ASSOCIATION QUESTIONS, VISION CALLS, LOOKING FOR RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO FIRST THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE BUILDING CODE PURPOSE IS THE FORCEMENT CODE ORDINANCE SAFETY DEVELOPMENT AND BUSINESS FRIENDLY AND CUSTOMER WARD.
THAT'S WHAT OUR PURPOSE STATEMENT IS.
A LOT OF YOU, I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER IT,
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BUT IN ESSENCE, WE ISSUE BUILDING PERMITS.WE MAY TAKE, YOU KNOW, PARENTS OR THE TOWNS, EXISTING STRUCTURES, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT.
UH, WE ALSO WILL BE INVOLVED IN A LAND WITH URBAN ACTIVITY PERMITS, BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T DO ANY OF THE LAND DISTURBANCE ISSUE IN ENS.
THAT'S STILL A COUNTY FUNCTION AND ENFORCEMENT OF THE VIRGINIA MAINTENANCE CODE, WHICH IS GOING TO ADDRESS, UH, COUNCILMAN THOMPSON AND THEN THE FIRE PROTECTION PLAN.
SO LET ME JUST OFF THE, ON THE RECORD.
YES, I FAILED NOT COORDINATED WITH THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION.
ALL RIGHT, NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AND FIGURE OUT A WAY.
BUT WHAT I DO WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL IS HERE'S THE TIMELINE.
WHEN I GOT HIRED IN DECEMBER SINCE JANUARY OF 2021, THIS IS ALL THE MEETINGS WE HAD RELATED TO BUILDING, UH, UH, JANUARY THE MIRROR SHARED HIS MISSION AND VISION ON JANUARY 21ST, RIGHT AFTER THAT, WE HAD A TOWN COUNTY LIAISON MEETING WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT IT, AS WELL AS THE BUILDING INSPECTOR SOFTWARE ON MARCH, 2021.
WE HAD A WORK SESSION BUILDING CODE UPDATE ON 20 SEPTEMBER.
WE HAD ANOTHER ONE IN SEPTEMBER COUNCIL APPROVED DCS, THE THIRD PARTY INSPECTION ON SEPTEMBER 21.
WE HAD ANOTHER TOWN COUNTY NEWS ON BEFORE WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRANSITION ON OCTOBER.
UH, STAFF MET WITH THE COUNTY, UH, THE BUILDING CODE STAFF AND WHAT THEY HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS TO COORDINATE THE TRANSITION ON NOVEMBER.
I SENT THE LETTER TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ON DECEMBER 21ST.
I SENT OUT ANOTHER LETTER TO CLARIFY OUR ROLE IN THE TRANSITION.
AND THEN ON THE 21ST, UH, COUNCIL APPOINTED ME AS THE ACTING BUILDING OFFICIAL.
AND THEN ON THE 21ST, WE ADOPTED THE COUNTY'S FEE SCHEDULE COUNCIL GUIDANCE.
WHEN THEY CREATED THIS, WE JUST WANTED THE SAME PIECE SCHEDULE THAT, THAT THE COUNTY HAS ON JANUARY 22ND.
THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT LAUNCHES NOW NOTED DURING THE PROCESS.
WE TOUCHED BASE WITH ALEXANDRA CHRISTIANSBURG FALLS CHURCH, AND I WAS FROM JAMES CITY COUNTY, UH, HIRED THE BUILDING CODE OFFICIAL.
I WAS ACTING THERE FOR AWHILE AND I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THE THIRD PARTY PROCESS, AND I'M GOING TO DISCUSS MORE.
SO THE BLINDED ABATEMENT PURPOSE MAINTENANCE CODE.
I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE FAILING TO COMMUNICATE THE PURPOSE.
WHY CANCELED ONE IS TO DEAL WITH ONE IS TO CREATE A ONE-STOP SHOP, MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT FOR EVERYONE.
AND I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO CALL EVERY PLACE I WORKED IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY BECAUSE YOU WILL FIND OUT THAT I AM PRETTY FLEXIBLE.
I DON'T PULL PEOPLE GOING OVER TWO MILES OVER THE SPEED LIMIT, RIGHT? AND LET ME ALSO TELL YOU ABOUT THE WAY I SEE THINGS FOR EVERYONE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU BUY A CAR, YOU DON'T BUY IT TO BUY FUEL.
YOU BUY IT TO MOVE FORWARD, YOU BUY IT, BUY IT TO GO SOMEWHERE.
WHEN YOU CREATE A DIVISION OR A DEPARTMENT, YOU DON'T CREATE IT FOR THE PURPOSE OF BUREAUCRACY OR RED TAPE.
YOU, YOU CREATED APARTMENT FOR THE PURPOSE OF SERVICE AND QUALITY LIFE AND HELPING THE TOWN OUT.
SO THE BLIND MAINTENANCE CODE PROV PROPERTY ISSUE, THE MAINTENANCE CODE IS WITHOUT A BUILDING CODE DEPARTMENT, WITHOUT A BUILDING CODE OFFICIAL.
WE CANNOT ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.
ALL RIGHT, WE'VE BEEN WORKING MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THE COUNTY FOR SOME TIME TO CONDEMN THESE PROPERTIES OR LOOK AT WAYS WHERE WE CAN FIX THEM WITH A BUILDING CODE OFFICIAL AND FOLLOWING THE DIFFERENT CODE SET FOR MAINTENANCE CODE ON PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO NOW MORE AGGRESSIVELY PULL THE TRIGGER AND ADDRESS THOSE ISSUE.
SO THERE'S TWO PARTS OF A BUILDING CODE DEPARTMENT.
THE PART THAT MOST OF YOU ARE HERE FOR WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS FOR BUILDING PERMITS, BUT THE KEY PART THAT IS GOING TO IMPACT THIS TOWN AND THE CITIZENS AND GOAL NUMBER FOR PARENTS IS THE BUILDING MAINTENANCE WITHOUT A BUILDING CODE DIVISION, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNLESS THE COUNTY'S WILLING TO KINDA HELP OUT AND SAY, WE WILL FOCUS ON THE PROCESS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
NONE OF THESE BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.
AND IF ANYONE HAS ANY OTHER, GOT IT.
SO THE QUESTION THE STEVEN CERTIFIED, NO, BUT THE STATE CODE 1 0 5 0.1 0.2 IS ACTING PERMIT.
BUILDING OFFICIAL SHALL BE CERTIFIED AS A BUILDING OFFICIAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE VCS WITHIN ONE YEAR AFTER BEING APPOINTED AS PERMIT BUILDING OFFICIAL.
I JUST WANT TO SAY STEVEN HAS OVER 600.
I MANAGED OVER $600 MILLION A PROJECT FOR BOTH HORIZONTAL CONVERTIBLE.
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TWO POLICE HEADQUARTERS, ONE A HUNDRED AND 110,000 SQUARE FEET, THREE FIRE STATIONS, ONE COMMUNITY'S, UH, CENTER, UH, TWO GOLF, ONE GOLF COURT CLUB AND MULTIPLE LITTLE BATHROOMS, RENOVATIONS.I'M VERY FAMILIAR BECAUSE IF YOU'RE ON THIS SIDE OF BUILDING BUILDINGS, EXPENSIVE ONES, YOU ARE A DEVELOPER.
YOU GET THE FRUSTRATION INTERACTING WITH BUILDING CODE OFFICIALS.
WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE ADA RAILING AND THE TOILET IS OFF A HALF INCH AND THEY MAKE YOU MOVE EITHER THE TOILET OR THE RAIL, OR IF YOU COME IN, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOUR, YOUR, YOUR COUNTERTOP IS LITERALLY A QUARTER INCH OR TWO INCHES.
AND THEN THEY JUST, THEY, THEY DON'T ALLOW YOU TO GET IT.
I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE TCO AND THE SIOP.
AND SO I JUST, FIRST, ONCE YOU WANT TO KNOW, UNTIL YOU GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH ME, I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION BECAUSE I WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE BUILDING STUFF.
SO I WAS THE FORMER ACTING BUILDING CODE AND JAMES CITY COUNTY ALSO, I'M ALREADY REGISTERED FOR THE BUILDING CORE TRAINING AND THE ADVANCED OFFICIAL IN JUNE AT THE JACK, A PROCTOR VIRGINIA BUILDING CODE ACADEMY, OR ANY OF YOU ALL FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
SO CAN STEVEN ANSWER CODE QUESTIONS IF THERE IS A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THIRD-PARTY INSPECTOR AND PERMIT HOLDER? YES.
HAVE I DONE THAT A LOT? ABSOLUTELY.
IF NOT IT REFERRED TO THIRD-PARTY COMPANY, IS THERE A COST? NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO BACK ONCE.
IT'S ALL MY PLATE, THE DECISION IS GOING TO BE MADE.
WHY WOULD WE WANT TO GO BACK TO THE THIRD PARTY WHO MAKES THE FINAL DECISION? THE BUCK STOPS AT THE BUILDING CODE OFFICIAL AT THE END OF THE DAY.
WHAT IS PLANNED REVIEW RATE PER HOUR? IT'S UP TO 140, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE INCREMENT.
OBVIOUSLY, IF IT ONLY TAKES 30, 30 MINUTES TO REVIEW A QUICK PLAN OR SOMETHING, WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHARGE YOU $140 WHERE WE'LL PLAY IN REVIEWS, HEY, PLACE, IT'S DIGITAL PLAN REVIEW.
YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S HOW MOST ORGANIZATIONS FUNCTION.
YOU KEEP BETTER RECORDS OF IT.
HOWEVER, SOME REASON YOU CAN'T OR WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT, WE WILL ACCOMMODATE YOU.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE AT THAT DIFFICULT, BUT THE BENEFIT FOR YOU ALL IS THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO SUBMIT THE PLANS AND QUICKER REVIEW.
SO IS THIRD-PARTY COMPANY, ENGINEER, CONSULTANT SERVICES, ECS MID-ATLANTIC YES, THEY ARE ENGINEERED FOR HER.
AND SO ARE A LOT OF OTHER FIRMS, BUT THEY HAVE A BUILDING DIVISION ONE AND ALL OF THEM ARE CERTIFIED.
WHAT PROJECT CALLS FOR PLAN REVIEW, AGAIN, UP TO $140 AN HOUR.
THE AVERAGE, THE BUILDING CODE PLAN REVIEW, WHEN YOU INCLUDE THEIR BENEFITS AND EVERYTHING, THAT, THAT, THAT RATE IS ABOUT 50, $60 A HOUR, BUT I'LL TELL YOU THAT THE DIFFERENCE OF WHERE WE'RE GOING, WHY DO WHAT IS INSPECTION RATE? AGAIN, UP TO $125 AN HOUR IS THIRD PARTY INSPECTOR ENGINEER, OR INSPECTOR.
HE'S A CERTIFIED INSPECTOR, OR THEY'RE CERTIFIED IN SPECTRUM BNS REVIEW.
AGAIN, THAT'S THAT COUNTY AT THE WARREN COUNTY, RIGHT? WE WILL EVENTUALLY TAKE IT OVER, BUT WHO'S GOING TO DO THE REVIEWS.
IS THE STATE DEQ, WHAT IS REQUIRED ON IT? YES.
PLAN MADE CONTACT BUILDING CODE.
IS THERE A APPEALS BOARD? NOT CURRENTLY.
WE ARE LOOKING FOR MEMBERS TO SERVE.
HOWEVER, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT A LOCAL JURISDICTION TO SERVE THAT LOCAL BOARD APPEAL AND FIRE APPEAL.
SO THE CODE ALLOWS US TO GO AHEAD AND, AND, AND USE ANOTHER LOCALITY PERSONALLY, ME, I THINK THAT'S SOME ADVANTAGE TO IT BECAUSE THAT WAY IT REMOVES OF ANY RELATIONSHIPS WITHIN THE TOWN OR THE BUILDING CODE.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN I WAS IN JAMES CITY COUNTY, I THINK WE ONLY HAD ONE IN THREE YEARS, BECAUSE IF YOU GOT TO GET TO THIS POINT, THEN YOU PROBABLY NEED TO GET INTO BUILDING CODE OFFICIAL.
IF YOU CAN'T FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.
SO LET'S TOTAL COSTS OTHER DIVISION.
I WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS CAREFULLY.
WE HAVE ONE PERMIT, TECHNICALLY $43,000, BUT SHE'S ALSO WORKING ON THE, THE LAB POTATO BUILDING ISSUES THAT WE GOT TO ADDRESS.
ALL RIGHT, THE $3,000 WHILE IT SAYS, PART-TIME WHAT THAT, THAT IS.
THAT'S HELPS TO PAY FOR ANY EXPENSES THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DO.
THAT'S PART OF THE STIPEND FOR ANY OF OUR, IF WE GO TO THE APPEAL BOARD REVIEWED BOOKS, WE DO A STIPEND.
SO WHEN WE HIRE PEOPLE, THEY MEET, WE OBVIOUSLY PAY, ALL RIGHT, ALL THIS HAS BENEFITS, BUT KEEP THAT IN MIND.
BY THE TIME YOU PAY SOMEONE OR HIRE SOMEONE WITH THEIR BENEFITS AND CLEAR, I'LL KEEP THAT NUMBER IN MIND WHEN I SHOWED YOU SOME OTHER STUFF.
SO PROFESSIONAL SERVICE SEVENTY-FIVE
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THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT'S PASSED THROUGH, RIGHT? SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE BUDGETED FOR, THAT WE PROJECT UP TO HOW MUCH OF THE PASS THROUGH FOR ALL THE REVIEWS, THE INSPECTORS WILL DO $75,000.NOW I'M GOING TO TOUCH BASE HOW WE'RE GOING TO SOMEWHAT BREAK EATING THE EVENING.
EVEN ONCE WE SEE EVERYTHING MAINTENANCE SERVICE CONTRACT, THAT'S THE SOFTWARE THAT WE HAVE.
WE'VE BEEN ALREADY WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ON THE SOFTWARE THAT THEY USE.
ACTUALLY, WE PARTNER WITH IT ON THE MOA AT THE BEGINNING, BUT IT'S NOT ADEQUATE FOR THE TOP OF SOFTWARE WE'RE USING BECAUSE OF WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH WITH SOME OF OUR SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT WAS OWNING A PLANT.
BUT KEEP IN MIND, THIS AMOUNT IS PASTOR.
THIS IS WHAT THE CONSULTANT WILL BE DOING.
SO THAT'S NOT REALLY, THAT'S NOT OUR EXPENSE.
THAT'S WHAT WE JUST BUDGET THAT WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO, I HAVE TO PAY OUT, WHICH I THINK WE'RE GOING TO EXCEED.
AND THEN THIS $72,000 IS FOR PERMIT TECHNICIAN.
MONICA HAS ANYONE MET HER YET? ALL RIGHT, SO THE BUDGET IS 162, TECHNICALLY IT'S ONLY $72,000 BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THE BURDEN OF THE ADDITIONAL COST FOR PLANS AND SITE PLAN REVIEWS ON THE MOM OF POP-IN DECIDES THAT HE JUST WANTED TO BUILD A DECK.
ALRIGHT, COUNTY'S BUDGET FOR IS $618,000 FROM HIS DIVISION WITH SEVEN IMPORTANCE.
THAT'S ALL THE EQUIVALENT TO $88,000 PER EMPLOYEE.
THEIR REVENUE DOES NOT MEET SIX MONTHS, $118,000.
SO THEY HAVE THE SUBSIDIZE WITH GENERAL PHONES.
SO WHILE OUR SERVICE IS GOING TO PAY FOR ITSELF, ALL RIGHT, SO I JUST WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION.
WE RECEIVED CALLS AND I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW WE TOOK WARREN COUNTIES AND WE PLAGIARIZED.
SO WHATEVER THE PERMIT APPLICATION IN WARREN COUNTY IS, IT'S THE SAME AS IT IS IN THE TOWN.
AND THAT'S THE SAME WITH, UM, WITH COMMERCIAL.
AND THIS THING THAT I'M READING FROM A CONSTITUENT THAT WAS SENT TO US, THE INSPECTION IS INCLUDED IN THE PERMIT FEE IN THE COUNTY.
WELL, THOSE NUMBERS AGAIN, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO RECONCILIATION THOSE NUMBERS WHEN THE TIME COMES.
ALL RIGHT? SO HERE'S WHAT I WANT EVERYONE TO FOCUS ON FOR A 3000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING IN THE TOWN THAT COSTS ABOUT $600,000 TO BUILD THE PERMIT APPLICATION FOR THAT $459 THAT'S REVENUE.
THE TOWN GETS NOW, THIS IS BASED ON E ACS AND PAL TOWN COUNTY, WHICH IS VERY PHYSICALLY CONSERVATIVE COUNTY.
IF YOU COME IN FOR A PERMIT APPLICATION FEE $975,000, $975 IS WHAT YES.
THE HOME BUILDER WILL HAVE TO PAY.
SO THAT'S $1,400, $1,300 OR TOTAL NOW, HUH? YES.
THAT'S THE ESTIMATE RIGHT THERE.
SO IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE TWO-STORY 6,000 SQUARE FOOT, IT'S GOING TO COST YOU ABOUT $2,300.
AND THEN THE POOLS DETACH 61 AND 800, $800.
THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE ALL THE BURDEN OF THE TAXPAYERS.
THIS WILL BE PASTOR, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO SAY, AND THE OTHER LOCALITIES THAT I'VE CALLED AND TALK, IF YOU'RE BUILDING A $600,000 HOME AND YOUR TOTAL BILL FROM CRADLE TO GRAVE IS $1,500 OR $1,600.
THE TRADE OFF IS IF TYPICALLY THE WAY IT IS NOW, THERE'S ABOUT A 30 TO 45 DAY BACKLOG ON GETTING PLANS REVIEWED, RIGHT? SO THAT COSTS YOU ABOUT $11 A DAY.
SO WHAT I DID WAS WE NEED TO COME UP PERFORMANCE MEASURE.
SO I JUST TOOK WARREN COUNTIES.
SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THIS.
IT TALKS ABOUT THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION.
AND SO WE LOOKED AT JUST THEIR MEASURES, RESIDENTIAL.
WHAT, WHAT THE COUNTY IS SAYING IS, OR A DECK OR FINISHED BASEMENT DESPITE A SEVEN DAYS OR A COMPLEX SINGLE DWELLING, 10 TO 12 MINUTES.
THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TO GET THROUGH OR COMMERCIAL.
YOU SEE THE NUMBERS SEVEN, 10 DAYS, UH, AND THEN
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GOES ON.NOW WE'RE USING THESE, WE'RE GOING TO USE THESE PERFORMANCE BECAUSE THEY ALREADY SPENT THE MONEY AND THE STUDY.
TRADE PERMITS ARE APPROVED OVER THE COUNTER, RIGHT ON THE SPOT.
WE HAD A PERSON WHO NEEDED A FURNACE AND OTHER STUFF.
WE WENT AHEAD AND SIGN OFF ON IT BECAUSE WHAT WE'LL DO IS IF THERE NEEDS TO BE INSPECTION, THAT'S WHEN WE WILL DETERMINE DEC PACKAGE.
IF YOU NEED TO PUT ON A DECK, WE ALREADY HAVE A TYPICAL SECTION WHERE ALL YOU GOT TO DO IS PAY THE $45.
ALL WE CARE ABOUT IS THE FLOODING OF THE POST.
WHEN WE GO OUT AND INSPECT IT, WE DIDN'T EXPECT IT TO BE THE SAME.
I KNOW IN OTHER LITTLE COUNTIES YOU GOT PUT IN ENGINEERING DRAWINGS, YOU GOT TO EXCEED WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES.
AND THEN THAT WOULD CALL SUPPORT.
WE'RE GOING TO STREAM REQUIRED, RIGHT? IT, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT 5 BILLION OF CODE OFFICIALS IN THE ROOM ABOUT 11 DIFFERENT OPINIONS.
WE'RE GOING TO STICK TO WHAT'S REQUIRED.
NOW BUILDERS AND CONTRACT, THERE WILL BE NO MORE 30 TO 45 DAY APPLICATION REVIEW PERIODS.
AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I KNOW THAT THAT'S, THAT'S, I'VE BEEN SHEARED AND TOLD HOW LONG IT TAKES NOW TO GET STUFF APPROVED.
SO, AND WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, TIME IS MONEY.
SO WE PROBABLY COULD REDUCE THOSE CALLS IF WE EXTEND THE TIME REVIEW PERIOD.
BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD WAIT 30 TO 45 DAYS TO GET SOMETHING APPROVED, INSPECTION, TIMELINE, SINGLE FAMILY.
THIS IS, THIS WAS THE BEST YEAR.
THEY CAME UP FIVE TO SEVEN AND SEVEN TO 28.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THESE MEASURES.
AND SO THE REASON WHY I'M FAMILIAR WITH PERFORMANCE MEASURES WHEN I WAS AT JAMES CITY COUNTY, PART OF THE RESTRUCTION ORGANIZATION AS BEING ACCOUNTABLE TO THE DEVELOPMENT, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING YOUR NEEDS.
SO THE FIRST THING I DID IS THAT SENT OUT A SURVEY, GOT AN ASSESSMENT OF HOW WE'RE PERFORMING WATER SERVICES IS ALL ABOUT.
AND WE USE THAT SURVEY TO GAUGE HOW WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVE OUR SERVICES WITHIN ONE YEAR, ANY CODE COMPLIANCE OR RATINGS BEFORE THIS WAS LOWER.
FIRST FISCAL YEAR, WE GOT A B OVERALL GRADE.
THE SECOND YEAR WE GOT TO EIGHT AND IT CONTINUED TO DO THIS WAY.
AND IF YOU CAN SEE WHAT I DO NOW, THERE YOU GO.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE LAST SLIDE, THE BUILDING PROGRAMS. SO, I MEAN, THIS WAS ISSUING A LOT OF PERMITS, I WOULD SAY ON THE TOTAL OF 27,000 PERMITS, 8,000 BUILDING PLAN REVIEWS, WE WERE THE SECOND FASTEST GROWING LOCALITY.
SO MOVING FORWARD, THIS IS WHAT OUR PLANS ARE.
WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A CEO ROUND TABLE WHERE WE'LL HAVE THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, BUILDERS, DEVELOPERS, AND THE ARCHITECT, ENGINEERS, WHO WE WANT TO MEET WITH YOU ALL TO DISCUSS SOME OF THE CONCERNS.
WHEN IT COMES TO BUILDING DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING OUT A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL THIRD PARTY CONTRACTORS, FIXED COSTS, PACKAGE CALLS.
WE'RE GOING TO EXPLORE A COMBO PLAN, REVIEW AND INSPECTION PENDING ON HOW THE REVENUES ARE COMING IN IN FY 23.
RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, AS A STARTUP, WE HAD TO CAREFULLY LOOK AT HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.
WE'RE ALSO GOING TO DO AN ANNUAL DEVELOPER SURVEY AND DETERMINING HOW OUR SERVICES AND HOW YOU BUILD.
WE'RE GOING TO SEND THAT OUT IN MARCH, WE'RE GOING TO DO PERFORMANCE MEASURES AND WE'RE GOING TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT THEY ARE.
WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT THEM TO COUNCIL ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.
WE'RE GOING TO ENCOURAGE PEER REVIEWS, WHERE WE MAY GET OTHER PEOPLE TO REVIEW IT.
YOU FEEL THAT THERE'S SOME DISCREPANCIES OR SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL THAT WE'RE NOT DOING, RIGHT? THING.
ALSO ONGOING PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS.
WHAT WE ARE GONNA DO IS IMPLEMENT A JULY 17TH WARREN COUNTY BUILDING CODE, STUDY, AND FINDINGS, AND WHAT THEY, THE FINDINGS ARE.
AND WE HAVE THE REPORT IT COULD BE AVAILABLE IS HOW WE PROCESS COMPLAINTS.
WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY COMPLAINTS OR CONCERNS.
WE WANT TO BE AS RESPONSIVE AS WE CAN.
THE OTHER ONE, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT TECHNOLOGY AND TRY TO ADVANCE HOW WE'RE DOING STUFF.
STAFFING WE'RE GOING TO CULTURE IS GOING TO BE CITIZENS FIRST AND CUSTOMER SERVICE.
WE WANT TO BE CUSTOMER, OR IF WE'RE GOING TO BE RESPONSIVE BECAUSE WE
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KNOW TIME IS MONEY.AND THE KEY THING IS WE'RE GOING TO GET OUT OF YOUR OCCUPANCY PROCESS AND WORRIED ABOUT NOT SO MUCH EAGLES, BUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD.
BUT SERVICE STAFFING, WE'RE GOING TO BE CONSISTENT ON OUR INTERPRETATION CODE NEEDS, IMPROVEMENT AND CONFUSION AMONG BUILDER.
NOW THIS WAS A STUDY THAT WARREN COUNTY DID.
AND SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO CARRY IT OVER.
HOW MANY WERE, I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT.
UM, ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE, STATUS OF THE PLAN, REVIEW PROCESS.
WE'RE GOING TO BE APPROVING STUFF.
NOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO SACRIFICE SAFETY, ADA OR INGRESS OR EGRESS.
I MEAN, THOSE ARE AREAS THAT I CANNOT PROVE THE BUILDING OF THE CRUCIAL.
OBVIOUSLY WHEN I WAS AT JAMES CITY COUNTY, I DIDN'T SEE ALL THE PERMITS AND PLANS.
I MEAN, WE HAD STAFF, WE HAD CONSULTANTS TO DO THAT.
OCCASIONALLY I WOULD GET IN WHEN THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY, BUT BY AND LARGE, OR WHEN IT GOT DOWN TO A RIBBON CUTTING CEREMONY WHERE YOU NEEDED THE TCO, JUST SO YOU CAN GET IT IN THE BUILDING BECAUSE YOU HAVE A OPENING ON THEM.
THAT'S WHEN I WOULD GET INVOLVED.
AND THEN WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO TRUST THAT THEY'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING, BUT WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP A CULTURE HERE THAT WE'RE PRO BUSINESS.
AND THEN, WELL, THE LAST ONE WAS, WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON FOLKS.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR COUNCIL.
AND I KNEW SOME OF YOU WERE, WE'RE GOING TO SHOW UP, BUT THE MAIN MESSAGE HERE IS YOU'RE CORRECT.
THE BURDEN OF THIS PROGRAM IS NOT ON THE TAXPAYERS.
NOW, IF MOM AND DAD COMES AND THEY WANT TO PUT A DECK, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY EFFICIENT AND SIMPLE.
IF YOU WANT TO COME PUT A FURNACE, IF THERE'S ELECTRICAL ISSUE, YOU WANT TO DO IT.
BUT IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A HOME, YEAH, THERE IS GOING TO BE AN ADDITIONAL COST OF FIVE TO $600.
BUT THE TRADE-OFF IS YOU'RE GOING TO GET A TURNAROUND PLAN AND INSPECTION VERSUS 30, 45 DAYS.
SO ONE NEEDS THE WAY IS THAT EFFICIENT? WHERE, OR IF IT'S NOT, ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY THAT EXTRA $11 A DAY? THAT'S WHAT IT EQUATES TO, OR WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO CONTINUE TO WAIT 40, 45 DAYS? WHAT I WANT YOU TO KNOW IF I TALKED TO THREE BUILDING CODE OFFICIALS, RIGHT.
AND WHAT THEY TOLD ME IS THE THIRD PARTY REVIEW PROCESS AND PASSING THOSE COSTS ON TO BUILDERS IS THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE.
A LOT OF THEM HAVE SIX TO FOUR VACANCIES.
THEY CAN'T HIRE ANYONE WHEN THEY HIRE SOMEONE, SALARIES ARE 70 TO $80,000 PLUS BENEFITS, NO LONGER CANDIDATE, THE GENERAL FUND SUPPLEMENT THE BUILDING CODE DIVISION AND THEY CAN'T GET THE STAFFING.
AND SO TWO OF THEM, I SAID, YOU'RE KIND OF AHEAD OF YOUR TIME.
AND A LOT OF THEM ARE SAYING THAT IT'S GOING TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE THERE IS JUST GOING TO BE THIRD-PARTY REVIEWS BECAUSE THEY JUST CAN'T GET THE STAFF AND BUILDING CODE.
OFFICIALS ARE RETIRING AND ALSO, UH, INSPECTORS.
I MEAN, LOOK IN THIS ROOM, I DON'T SEE TOO MANY, 22, 23 YEAR OLDS IN THE LINE OF WORK WE'RE DOING.
SO WHILE WE MAY BE DOING IT NOW, WHAT WE DO KNOW THE TRENDS GOING TO BE IN THREE TO FIVE YEARS, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT MORE LOCALITIES DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO COUNCIL, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
UM, BUT WHAT I WILL TELL COUNCIL IS WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO PAY FOR ITSELF AND IT'S GOING TO COST THE AVERAGE HOME ABOUT THAT 600, $500,000, EXTRA 700, $800.
UM, KEY POINT YOU MENTIONED EARLY ON, WHICH IS WE GET TO ADDRESS SOMETHING.
THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM FOR MANY YEARS, WHICH IS THE BLIGHT OF BUILDING ISSUE.
CORRECT? I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, $11 A DAY FOR 45 DAYS IS $495, RIGHT? THE LOW INDIFFERENCE OF THE TOWN AND COUNTY PERMITTING CLOCKS THAT WAS PROVIDED TO ME BY A BUILDER.
THE LOWEST END IS $1,558 AND 20 CENTS.
SO EVEN IF TIME IS MONEY, YOU'RE LOOKING AT $1,100 LOSS IN THAT.
AND THANK YOU, STEVEN, FOR PROVIDING THE OTHER LOCALITIES AND STUFF, BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN NOW I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH POWELL 10, IS IT COMPARABLE TO WARREN COUNTY FOR OIL IN OUR VISION? BECAUSE DO WE, I UNDERSTAND PAYING MORE FOR CONVENIENCE.
AND I KNOW SOMETIMES THAT IS IMPORTANT TO A BUILDER.
HOWEVER, I DON'T REALLY SEE FRONT ROYAL AND I COULD BE WRONG BECOMING THE TYPE OF PLACE THAT'S JUST, WE'RE TRYING TO TURN OUT HOUSES IN A WEEK.
AND SO AS A RESULT, I'M JUST HAVING A HARD TIME SEEING THE JUSTIFIED COST.
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ON THIS WITH TOURISM, THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, AT SOME POINT YOU'RE GOING TO BE OVERWHELMED.SO WHAT IS THE SHORT TERM PLAN FOR THAT AS WELL? I JUST, IT DOESN'T SEEM SUSTAINABLE.
I CAME TO COUNCIL MANY TIMES AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN AND I VERY, FOR THAT, UM, ACTUALLY SOME OF THE PROPERTIES YOU HAD UP THERE HAVE HAD SOMETHING DONE WITH THEM IN THE LAST YEAR.
UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE SOME OF THAT.
UM, AFTER THE, YOU MIGHT HAVE A BRICK HIT, YOU'RE HAVING TO WALK DOWN MAIN STREET SOME DAYS, BUT, UM, UM, MR. KLEIN WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS COUNCIL.
AND I TOLD HIM THAT I ASKED WORK.
UM, I, A COUPLE OF POINTS THOUGH.
UM, THE BLINDED BUILDINGS, UM, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN I BROUGHT THAT TO COUNCIL, UM, A YEAR OR TWO YEARS AGO, UM, IT'S BASICALLY TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, IF THEY WERE GONNA GO AFTER AND GET THIRD PARTY, WE COULD'VE GOTTEN SOMEBODY TO GO THIRD PARTY ON THAT ALREADY.
I FIND THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO GO TO THIRD PARTY.
WELL, THAT'S MY POINT, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, THREE DAYS MY TIME, SO I'M TRYING THE HELL DOWN.
WE GOT ALL THE TOOLS WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THESE BLIGHTED PROPERTIES RIGHT NOW, PERIOD.
IT'S AS LONG AS COUNCIL HAS THE APPETITE TO DO IT AND GO AFTER IT.
BOTTOM LINE, I CAME ON BUILDING, I WAS ON PLANNING COMMISSION, THE SAME THING BY THE COUNCIL.
WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO CONTRACT SOMEBODY TO DO IT.
THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE HOLD UP.
UM, STEVEN, UM, LIKE OUR CONVERSATION WE HAD EARLIER, I MEAN, I, I WISH WE WOULD HAVE SET THIS UP THE WAY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A MECHANICAL INSPECTOR PLUMBING INSPECTOR TO PLAN REVIEW.
UH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE THAT BUSY TO BE ABLE TO KEEP UP, UH, HIRE A BUILDING GUY.
YOU KNOW, HE CAN EVEN BE THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND, AND, AND LOOK AT PLANS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, RUN THE SHOW.
I GET ON THERE WITHOUT QUESTIONS.
UM, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE PEOPLE HERE.
UM, SOME OF THESE CALLS THAT, THAT I'M RECEIVING FROM PREP FROM THESE BUILDERS IS BLOWING MY MIND BECAUSE I, AND, AND INSPECTION COSTS $145 FOR, FOR AN INSPECTOR TO GO OUT.
SO I WAS NOTICING ON THE SHEET THAT A SECOND INSPECTION THEY WERE CHARGED AGAIN, AM I CORRECT ON THAT? I, I BRIEFLY LOOKED OVER THAT.
I, SO ONCE THEY'VE PAID, UM, $145 TO COME OUT AND LOOK AT THIS AT THAT STRUCTURE OR WHATEVER, THEY'RE GETTING INSPECTED.
AND FOR, UM, THE INSPECTOR FIND SOME ISSUES, YOU KNOW, HE'S REQUIRED BY CODE TO WRITE THEM UP AND POST THEM.
IF THAT INSPECTOR COMES BACK AGAIN TO LOOK AT THAT, IS HE CHARGING HIM A RE-INSPECTION FEE WHEN HE COMES BACK AND LOOKS AT IT, IF IT DIDN'T MEET THE FIRST INSPECTION.
SO IF WE'RE TALKING, IF, IF WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, CUSTOMER SERVICE HERE, YOU, YOU KNOW, I WORK IN ONE OF THE BUSIEST COUNTIES IN THE UNITED STATES.
IF WE MAKE AN INSPECTION, AS LONG AS WE'RE REQUIRED BY THE USBC TO POST PUT IT ON THE WINTER OR WHEREVER THE PERMIT IS, UM, WE DON'T CHARGE TO COME BACK OUT AND LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, NOW IF ONE OF MY INSPECTORS GO OUT AND HAS A LOOK AT IT AND THEY DIDN'T FIX HALF THE STUFF THAT HE HAD WRITTEN DOWN.
WE'LL RE-INSPECTION FEE YET, YOU KNOW, THE GAME TOMORROW.
UM, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT ASPECT OF IT.
UM, I HAVE SOME STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT COMBINATION INSPECTORS, AND I'M SURE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, AND, AND THE REASON FOR MECHANICAL AND PLUMBING, YOU KNOW, AND, AND HAVE A SEPARATE BUILDING GUY.
I DON'T WANT MR. KLEIN WHO AND FRAMED.
I DON'T WOULDN'T HAVE COMING AND LOOKING AT THE PLUMBING IN MY HOUSE, BECAUSE FOR ONE, HE MIGHT KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT PLUMBING, BUT HE'S NOT GOING TO CATCH AS MUCH STUFF, YOU KNOW, SO GOING FORWARD, I WOULD REALLY LIKE FOR US TO SEE SOME CHANGES ON THIS, I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE LATE IN THE GAME NOW, AND WE GOT TO MAKE YOU FIRST AND THANKS.
MAYBE WE EXPRESS SOME CONCERNS OVER.
UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, UH, AT LEAST COST AND I WOULD LIKE FOR MR. KLEIN TO SPEAK, IF IT'S
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OKAY.I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE THING, UM, MR. HICKS HAD SHARED ABOUT JANUARY.
UM, SO WHEN THIS WAS ALL BROUGHT TO COUNCIL LAST YEAR, THE IDEA WAS, UM, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION BECAUSE I WAS VERY UPFRONT EVEN WATCH THE VIDEOS AGAIN OVER THE LAST WEEK TO MAKE SURE, AND I, IF IT WAS GOING, I DID, I DON'T BELIEVE IN BIGGER GOVERNMENT.
SO I DIDN'T WANT TO ADD A DEPARTMENT THAT WAS GOING TO THEM.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ALL THE COSTS THAT BELONGS WITH STAFF, WE WERE, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT, THAT THE FEES WERE GOING TO COVER WHAT, UM, WHAT, WHAT THE STAFFING WOULD BE.
THE OTHER THING WAS I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS WAS GOING TO, UM, IMPROVE THE PROCESS, MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT ONE-STOP SHOP THAT ACTUALLY BUILDERS AND CONTRACTORS LOOKING FOR THAT.
SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE'RE NOT ACCOMPLISHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE PUT THE GRADES, THE ONES WERE A LITTLE WHILE AND FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE, UH, WHERE WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS GONNA ACTUALLY, UH, ACHIEVE WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FORWARD TO G UH, TO ACHIEVE.
AS I SAY, WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
SO UNDER THE STATE, BUT YOUR FEES AND COLLECTION, THAT I'VE GOT TO GO LAND TO RUNNING.
YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CARRY A PROFIT PER SE, BUT KIND OF IT HAPPENS.
AND IF YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GOT THE CALL SELF SUFFICIENT, AS LONG AS BETH MUGGY, BUT AS LONG AS THAT MONEY GETS PUT BACK IN, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU NEED AN INSPECTION VEHICLE ORDER OR THIS AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S THERE FOR.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT ALL THE JURISDICTIONS I'VE WORKED IN AND MAYBE AN OVERBUILDING CODE OFFICIAL COUNTY WHICHEVER.
SO THE TAX PAYER STUFF, THIS MODEL FITS CLEARLY, UH, HEY, UH, THE BUILDERS, THE PERMIT APPLICATION PERMIT APPLICATIONS, SINCE THE SAME CLAUSE, THAT IF YOU WERE TO GO TO WARREN COUNTY AND GET A PERMANENT DIFFERENCES, THAT THEIR PERMIT APPLICATION ALSO INCLUDES ENGINEERING AND INSPECTION SERVICES.
NOW WE CAN GO TO THEIR MODEL, BUT THEN IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE US TO COME UP WITH THE DOLLARS BECAUSE THE REVENUE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COVER THE $680,000.
I MIGHT'VE FORGOTTEN TO SEND YOU THAT.
I HAVE, UM, JUST A QUESTION AND A COMMENT ON, YOU KNOW, I I'D HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH INTO THIS.
UH, I CAME ONTO COUNCIL AT THE END OF NOVEMBER, BUT THE FACT THAT I JUST LEARNED THAT OUR EXPENSES ARE MORE THAN LOUDON COUNTY IS EXTREMELY CONCERNING AND BAFFLING TO ME, BUT ALSO THE POLITICIZED SIDE OF COVID KILLED SMALL BUSINESS ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND WHEN I LOOK OUT INTO THIS WORK SESSION TONIGHT, THERE ARE BUILDERS AND CONTRACTORS HERE WHO, YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN IN PORT WARREN COUNTY LONGER THAN ME.
UM, THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT TRAVELED HERE TO COME TO THIS MEETING AND I DIDN'T AFFECTS THEIR LIVELIHOOD, AFFECTS MINE, EVERYBODY ELSE'S.
AND I UNDERSTAND NOT MAKING THE TAXPAYERS PAY FOR IT, BUT IT ALSO LOOKS LIKE WITH THIS MODEL, UH, THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE PAYING FOR IT UP FRONT UNTIL WE CAN MAKE IT SELF-SUFFICIENT AND STANDALONE, AND THEN WE'LL MAKE A CHANGE.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT EITHER BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO KILL SMALL BUSINESS CONTRACTORS REALLY QUICKLY.
UM, AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE BREAKDOWN, THE COST, THIS LOOKS TO BE IN THIS EXAMPLE, THAT I WAS PROVIDED LIKE A REAL PERMITTING COSTS BREAKDOWN FROM THE TOWN.
AND SO AT THAT, IN COMPARISON TO THE COUNTY, I UNDERSTAND ALSO PAYING A HIGHER FEE FOR CONVENIENCE.
UM, AND I, I KNEW WHEN I VOTED IN FAVOR TO APPOINT YOU TO STEVEN, AS THE BUILDING CODE OFFICIAL, THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE CHARGING SLIGHTLY MORE TO PROVIDE FASTER TURN TIMES FOR THESE INSPECTIONS.
UM, BUT I MEAN, THAT IS A HUGE COST DIFFERENT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE $400 WE DON'T CHARGE NOW, THE COUNTY CHARGES US PART OF
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OUR PERMIT CARRIED ON TO THE HOME BUILDER.BUT, BUT THAT $4 DOWN $5 PERMIT, IT'S $5.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND LET MR. KHAN SPEAK.
AND THEN WE COULD ASK SOME OF THEM.
CAUSE I'M LIKE YOU, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT COST $5 AND THEN $4, 400, THEN I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO FIRST THING, UM, MR. HICKSY, YOU POURED A BEAUTIFUL GLASS OF KOOL-AID THAT YOU REALLY DID WELL.
UM, SECOND OF ALL, I THINK YOU LOOK AT YOUR SHEET DOWN THROUGH THERE, AND YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT THERE'S NOT $500 DIFFERENCE IN THE PRICE OF THE PERMITS.
NO WAY YOU CAN'T DISPUTE THESE NUMBERS, BECAUSE THEY'RE WHAT THAT MAIN PAY.
THERE'S NOT WHERE YOU CAN DISPUTE.
HOW MANY, $600,000 HOUSES DO WE BUILD IN TOWN.
YOU PAINTED A BEAUTIFUL PICTURE, BUT IT'S NOT ACCURATE.
NOWHERE DOES IT FIT THIS TOWN.
YOU INFLATED THOSE NUMBERS TO MAKE YOUR, YOUR PROGRAM LOOK WELL.
AND THEN YOU GIVE IT AN ANALOGY ABOUT BUYING A CAR.
MR. HICKS GETS UP ON SATURDAY MORNING AND HE DECIDES HE'S GOING BY.
AND YOU WALK UP AND YOU SEE THIS BEAUTIFUL CORVETTE THERE.
MR. HICKS WANTS THAT CORVETTE.
COUNSELING PEOPLE OUT DIRECTLY.
SO, UH, A GENTLEMAN GOES AND BUYS A CAR GUY.
HE SEES A QUARTERBACK AND HE LOVES THE QUARTERBACK, BRINGS IT HOME, PULLS IN THE DRIVEWAY.
WIFE COMES OUT AND REMINDS YOU AS THE QUARTERBACK COMES OUT AND HE SAYS, HONEY, GO GET THE KIDS.
SO THE WIFE AND THREE KIDS COME OUT AND HE STAYED UP AND SHE'S GOING, WHERE'S THE KIDS GONNA SAY B BY A SCORE WRECK.
THAT'S KINDA HOW THIS BUILDING PROGRAM WAS PUT TOGETHER.
YOU GET, YOU GET WHAT YOU WANT, BUT IT'S NOT FEASIBLE.
AND THAT'S WHERE, WE'RE WHERE YOU'RE AT TODAY.
MS. MORRIS, YOU FOUND THAT EXCELLENT JOB.
YOUR, YOUR RESEARCH IS PHENOMENAL.
UM, YOU MADE A POINT ABOUT, UH, THE TOURISM ABOUT CITIZENS PAYING TWICE.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN, BECAUSE OUR TAX DOLLARS STILL SUBSIDIZED THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IN WARREN COUNTY.
WE'RE PAYING FOR OUR PERMIT FEES THERE, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR HIM HERE.
SO WE'RE BEING, WE'RE GOING TO PAY DOUBLE, DOUBLE, DOUBLE TIME.
I MEAN, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO THEN WE COME DOWN TO THE LIGHT PROPERTIES, THE CODE, IF YOU READ IT, YOU DO NOT NEED A BUILDING OFFICIAL TO DO BLANK PROPERTIES.
WHAT TO GO TO ASK FOR IS A BUILDING MAY A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE CERTIFICATION IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE.
THAT IS IT TO TAKE CARE OF THE BODY PROPERTIES.
YOU DO NOT NEED A BILLING QUESTION.
SO, UM, IN 2021, 2,711 PERMITS WERE PULLED IN TOWN AND COUNTY 598 OF THOSE PERMITS WERE IN THE TOWN, 27 OF THOSE PERMITS OR NEW HOMES.
IF I USE YOUR MATH, I USE THE MASS AND I SUBTRACT SUBTRACTED 27 FROM THE 5 98.
THEY'LL USE, YOU FOUND HER 71 PERMITS.
NOW I DID AN AVERAGE AND I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA SAY MY AVERAGE IS CORRECT, BUT BECAUSE YOU'RE STRESSED, THE DECK PERMITS
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IN THE SAND PERMITS AND ALL OF THAT, THOSE ARE SMALL PERMITS.I AVERAGED $50 ON 571 PERMITS GIVES YOU $28,550 27 HOUSE PERMITS.
I'M GOING TO AVERAGE IT AT $600 FOR A PERMIT GIVES YOU $16,200, WHICH LEAVES YOU $44,750 OF INCOME.
IT DOES NOT COVER YOUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
UM, THE, UH, SOMETHING, ONE OF THEM, UH, MR. LLOYD, I THINK YOU BROUGHT IT UP ABOUT THE CAP, A LITTLE IMPROVEMENT PLAN ABOUT WORKING THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT OR WORKING THE TOURISM INTO THAT BUDGET.
UM, IT WOULD BE OUR SUGGESTION THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WOULD BE WORKED INTO THAT CAPITAL FOR THE TIME WHEN A TRUCK, BUT THERE'S JUST NO WAY RIGHT NOW THAT WE CAN PAY A MINIMUM OF 1000 HUNDRED $95 VERSUS $391 AT A COUNTY PERMIT.
EXPLAIN ME, EXPLAIN AS TO HIM, GEORGE, WHILE IT'S 400 NOW ON YOUR ENS.
THANKS YOU ON YOUR ENS PERMIT.
IF WE'D GO TO THE COUNTY AND WE PULL AN ENS PERMIT TODAY, OR TOMORROW, IT'S $5.
THAT'S WHAT WE PAY BUILDING OFFICIALS TO KNOW THAT WE PAY FIVE BUCKS AND IT'LL GET OFFICIAL IN ANOTHER JURISDICTION.
I LOOK TO THEM FOR HOW LONG AND NOT YOU CERTIFIED MR. KLEIN SPEAKING, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GO AHEAD AND KILL HIM.
SO 400 BUCKS, UH, SAID $5 AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.
WE CAN PULL ENS PERMIT ANYWHERE IN THE GALE.
WE COME TO THE TOWN AND PULL THE SAME ENS PERMIT, AS YOU CAN SEE, AND I CAN SHOW YOU THE BILL, MR. OAKS PAID $400 FROM THE COUNTY $395 ADDITIONAL WHEN, WHEN THIS HAPPENED, MR. OAKS, WHICH ONE'S MR. ROPES, I'VE EVER HEARD YOUR NAME.
UM, DID, I'M JUST CURIOUS, DID THE COUNTY EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE OF $395? CAUSE IF IT'S THE SAME, IT IS THE EXACT SAME DAY.
WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS IS SUBCONTRACTED THE EMS PART TO THE TABLE.
SO NOW THAT MEANS YOU MEAN THE TOWN'S SUBCONTRACT CONTRACTED TO THE COUNTY PART OF THE PERMIT.
SO THAT NOW MEANS THAT MR. BEAN HAS TO SEND AN, UH, UH, A, UH, INSPECTOR OUT.
AND I DON'T KNOW, HE DOESN'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE WEEKLY BI-WEEKLY OR MONTHLY.
I TRIED TO FIND THAT OUT TODAY.
SO, UM, INSPECTOR IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO GO OUT TO THE SITE AT LEAST FIVE TIMES MAYBE SEVEN.
IT COULD BE MORE, I DON'T KNOW, DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE PROBLEM.
DID HE DID THAT? SO HOW SORRY.
I'M JUST, I, YOU KNOW, I WAS TRYING TO ASK YOU THESE QUESTIONS THE OTHER NIGHT.
SO HOW WAS THAT DIFFERENT THAN WHEN YOU WERE DOING IT THROUGH THE COUNTY? DID THEY NOT SEND THIS THE SAME EXACT PEOPLE? THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS THE INSPECTION FEE IT'S ALREADY INCLUDED AND THE $5? YES.
SO FIVE TO SEVEN VNS IS NOT BY THE HOUR.
I WAS GOING UP IN THE SPECTRUM FIVE TO SEVEN MINUTES, BUT THE INSPECTION FOR THE ENS WILL HAVE, HAS TO HAPPEN WEEKLY.
SEPARATE IT'LL HAVE TO HAPPEN WEEKLY, BIWEEKLY OR MONTHLY.
MR. BEAN CANNOT SEND AN INSPECTOR OUT FIVE TIMES TO A PROJECT FOR $5.
WOULD YOU? I DON'T THINK I WOULD DOESN'T SOUND LIKE HE DID IT UNDER THE INSPECTION.
IT'S ALL INCLUDED IN THAT PACKAGE FOR HOW MUCH? FIVE BUCKS I DOLLARS.
SO $5 IS WHAT IT COST, BUT , IT'S $5.
LET ME EVEN GO A LITTLE FURTHER.
SO MR. MR. BEAM SENDS AN INSPECTOR OUT FOR AN IN
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GROUND PLUMBING OR A FOOTER.WHY HE'S THERE? HIS INSPECTOR INSPECTS, THE ENS.
IT'S TWO INSPECTIONS FOR ONE, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL COSTS FOR HIM.
NOW, MR. BEAN WILL HAVE TO TAKE THE TOWN PERMIT AND HE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE TO SET AN INSPECTION TO THE SIDE, A SEPARATE INSPECTION IN ORDER TO COME AROUND AND LOOK AT IT.
SO HE'S ESSENTIALLY, HE'S ADDING ANOTHER INSPECTION TO HIS WORKPLACE.
IN ADDITION, IF WE PULL IT IN AS PERMIT WITH NO BUILDING PERMIT WITH NO BUILDING HAD THE COUNTY, WE ALSO PAY THE 4 45.
PERMITS, NOT PULL THE ADDITIONAL INSPECTION FOR WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.
IF HE HAS TO CHARGE US AS IF WE'RE NOT BUILDING IT.
NOW, I JUST, I, I JUST HONESTLY THINK THAT THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO ASK THEMSELVES THE SAME QUESTION YOU JUST ASKED.
IS THIS A WANT, OR IS IT A NEED? BECAUSE AT 598 PERMITS, WE CAN'T SEE A NEED FOR IT AND HAVE TO PAY A LITTLE OVER SIX TIMES THE AMOUNT JUST CAN'T SEE.
CAN I GO BACK A LITTLE BIT? CAUSE I WAS TRYING TO WRITE FAST, BUT YOU SAID 598, TOTAL 27 WERE NEW HOMES.
HOW MANY DID YOU SAY WERE IN THE TOWN? 598 IN THE TOWN.
2027 OF THOSE 5 98 WERE NEW HOMES.
AND NONE OF THEM WERE $600,000 AND THE COUNTY AND TOWN ON TOGETHER, IT WAS 2011.
AND AGAIN, ON THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE THING, THE ONLY THING THAT YOU NEED IS A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE CERTIFICATION PERSON.
YOU DO NOT NEED A BUILDING OFFICIAL TO DO THAT.
THE COUNTY HAD, ONE OF THEM HAD TO HIRE SOMEBODY, OR IF YOU WANT TO, THERE'S NOBODY IN THIS ROOM TONIGHT SITTING OVER HERE, THAT'S LITERALLY AGAINST THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IN THE TOWN.
BUT WHEN WE'VE GOT TO START PAYING THE INITIAL ADDITIONAL FEES AND RELYING ON SOMEBODY TO COME OUT OF TOWN, TO DO OUR INSPECTIONS, THERE'S NO WAY THIS WORKS.
SOMEBODY BOY, WELL, SOIL THAT WE WERE ALL 12 HOLES.
I HAVEN'T EVEN ADDRESSED THAT.
CAUSE YOU KNOW, I'M JUST A GOOD OLD GIRL FROM WHERE COUNTY, HIS GRANDPA HOMESTEAD, I THOUGHT SWELL.
SO IT WAS EVERYWHERE AROUND HERE AND IT WAS CLAY, BUT NOT EVERYWHERE.
WELL, I THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY COMMON THING FOR THIS AREA, BUT I WAS, I DIDN'T, I ONLY GOT A PIECE OF THAT EMAIL.
SO IT WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT TOO, BUT MAYBE THAT'S, THERE'S MULTIPLE DIFFERENT SOILS ALL THROUGH THE COUNTY.
SOME ARE MEDIOCRE AND SOME ARE EXCELLENT.
BUT AS FAR AS THE SHRINK SWELL ISSUE, AS FAR AS I KNOW ANYBODY ELSE, ABSOLUTELY.
AND AS A SEPTIC, GOD DID NOT LOOK AT ALL THE SOULS IN THE COUNTY.
OH, THE MOUNTAIN SOULS ARE RED, DARK, DARK, SANDY, GLEN CLAY TYPE SOIL.
BUT THEY DO NOT FIT THE QUALIFICATIONS TO SHRINK SWELL.
THAT THAT WOULD BE PRIMARILY WOODSTOCK.
AND FRANK SWELL SOUL IS QUICK DEFINITIONS.
YOU BACKFILL THE FOUNDATION WITH A SHRINK, SWELL FULL.
EVERY TIME IT GETS WET AND DRIES, IT EXPANDS AND SHRINKS.
AND IT ACTUALLY WORKED LIKE A JACKET AGAINST THE FOUNDATION WALL.
AND I HAD A HUGE PROBLEM WITH IT IN WOODSTOCK.
AND TO COME BACK THAT YOU HAVE TO, YOU CAN'T BACKFILL WITH THAT MATERIAL WHEN HE HELPED YOU USE A DEEPER FOOTER.
SO WOODSTOCK HAD SUCH A PROBLEM WITH IT.
THEY DID A STUDY TO SEE WHERE THEIR SHRINKS OLD WAS THAT AND THEY HIGHLIGHTED THEM ON A MAP.
SO WHEN YOU COME INTO OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT, IF YOU'RE IN THAT SHRINK SWELL AREA, HERE'S THE CODE THAT YOU NEED TO BUILD IN THAT W AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, ALL SECOND GENERATION EXCAVATING CONTRACTOR HERE, WE DO NOT HAVE THAT PARTICULAR SOUL.
WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ONES.
WE'VE GOT THE GREENSTONE AND THE MOUNTAINS, OH, THAT'S YOUR BETTER PARKLAND SOUL.
OH, CROSS THE RIVER, EITHER SIDE YOU'RE IN THE SHALE, TERRIBLE PARK CONSULT, BEST STRUCTURAL MATERIAL.
YOU CAN GET THERE TO BUILD ON.
AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S LITERALLY LIKE SMALL GRAVEL.
SO, BUT AS FAR AS SHRINK SWELL, I THINK THAT WAS SO SORRY TO INTERJECT.
CLARK COUNTY IS ABSOLUTELY FULL OF IT.
WHEN YOU BUILD OVER THERE, I WAS TOLD THAT RESIDENTIAL,
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YOU DID NOT DO A, YOU DO NOT DO A SOUL STUDY.AND HAVE YOU BEEN, BEEN DONE FOR THE SOIL? I'M TRYING TO, I'M SORRY FOR, THERE IS A KIND IN THERE.
IT SAYS THAT MR. CLIENT, TELL ME ABOUT THIS.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT IS DEFINITELY REQUIRED ALL OFF, ALL COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL, NOT ALL TALK, NO RESIDENTIAL, UH, ART ONES, TWOS, THREES, AND FOURS, WHICH GETS INTO YOUR APARTMENT.
THEY'LL DO, UM, A LOT OF YOUR ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY BUILDINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT SORT OF THING, TOWNHOMES, YOU HAVE THE TWO OVER TWOS.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE SAME OLD FAMILY HOUSE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD, UH, JUST TO SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, I BOUGHT TWO ACRES OUT HERE AND I WAS LOOKING TO BUILD A HOUSE UNLESS THERE WAS SHRINK SOIL THERE OR LIMESTONE, THEN WE KNEW THERE WAS A PROBLEM.
THEN THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY TIME IT WOULD BE NOT REQUIRED.
WELL, IT WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED.
IF WE HAVE TO ADD THAT TO THE PERMIT COST IN ORDER TO GET A PLAN REVIEW COMPLETE.
NOW WE'RE ADDING FOUR TO $7,000 TO THAT PRICE OF THAT PERMIT.
WHERE DID YOU FIND THAT? CROSS THAT FROM GREENWAY ENGINEERING AND TRY IT IN JULY.
AND NOW THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ENERGY SERVICE STATE.
SO YOU SAY GEORGE, LIKE THREE MONTHS FOR THE TEST YOU HAD ABOUT 90 DAYS TO TEST.
AND THAT COST IS JUST FOR THE TEST.
THAT'S JUST FOR THE TEST, NOT FOR ANY ADDITIONAL WORK, BUT THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE SITE VISIT, BUT CHARGED YOU FOR THE SITE VISIT TO LOOK IT OVER BEFORE THEY COME TO DO THE TEST.
AND THIS WAS YOUR FIRST APPLICANT, WE'RE GOING TO BE BUILT.
WE'RE GOING TO BE BUILT, ARE FRIENDLY AND WHAT GROWTH IN OUR TOWN.
AND THAT'S OUR FIRST, VERY FIRST APPLICANT FOR A NEW HOME.
AND THE MAN STILL DOESN'T HAVE A PERMIT.
SO I MIGHT SOUND REALLY STUPID.
BUT HOW DOES THE COUNTY HANDLE THAT THE COUNTY DON'T REQUIRE? YOU JUST TOLD ME IT WAS NO PROBLEM, BUT IT IS REQUIRED, BUT THE COUNTY DOES NOT REQUIRE CLARIFICATION.
ARE WE MAKING YOU DO IT? YOU ASKED FOR IT.
AND YOU WERE IN YOUR COMMENTS, EMAIL, THE PLAN REVIEW COMMENT WAS THEY WANTED, THAT WOULD REQUIRE THIS.
AND THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T MAKE THAT'S ONE REASON I DIDN'T BRING IT UP TONIGHT BECAUSE IT WAS NOT, RYAN SAID IT WAS NOT GOING TO BE A REQUIREMENT.
WELL, NO, THEY JUST ENGINEERING COMPANY THAT DID THE LAST, THAT WOULD BE AN ENGINEERING COMPANY THAT WE CONTRACTED.
SO THEY'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA.
WELL, I GUESS THERE WAS A THIRD PARTY ENGINEER RESPONSIBLE OR THE BUILDER.
I GET ALL OF THAT, BUT I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO EVEN SUGGESTED IT BEING DONE.
I THINK THIRD PARTY SUGGESTED, YES, THAT IS CORRECT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA.
OUR ENGINEERING COMPANY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A LITTLE MORE MONEY.
I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT PARTNER, THAT WOULD BE THE RULE GOING FORWARD.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A PART OF THE, OH GOD, THAT'D BE A QUESTION FOR THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.
PART OF THAT IS THAT A LOT OF COUNTIES ALLOW ENGINEERS TO DO THIRD-PARTY INSPECTIONS, PARTICULARLY FOOTINGS AND FOUNDATIONS IS NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED.
THAT'LL BE UP TO THE BILLING OFFICIAL.
WHEN YOU'RE ASKING THAT QUESTION, MOST OF THE ACADEMIES ALLOW FOR A THIRD PARTY INSPECTOR TO BE PUT INTO FOUNDATION'S NORMAL.
MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT THE WAY IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? AND YOU'RE A THIRD PARTY CONTRACTOR COULD HAVE A THIRD PARTY.
IT'S, IT'S ALLOWED IN THE COUNTY.
WE CAN ONLY OWN CONCRETE WORK.
AND DO THEY GIVE YOU A LIST OF WHO CAN DO IT? OR YOU HAVE TO BE APPROVED.
THE BUILDING OFFICIAL WILL HAVE TO HAVE A LIST OF ALL THE ENGINEERING AND ENGINEERING FIRMS THAT ARE APPROVED.
AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO TURN IN THE CERTIFICATION.
AS FAR AS THE BILLING OFFICIAL GUYS, I'M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND SAY, I'M NOT AGAINST MR. X AT ALL.
CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT I AM AND THEY SOUND LIKE IT,
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BUT I CAN BE OBJECTIVE.BUT ONE THING I KNOW IS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL IS AN IMPORTANT JOB.
AVAILABILITY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO SOMEBODY THAT WALKS INTO THE OFFICE AND LET'S SAY, I BELIEVE HE HAD MADE THE COMMENT TO YEAH.
TO MR. POPE, THAT HE HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO ATTEND ANY OF YOUR MEETINGS.
I JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MR. HICKS WEARS A LOT OF HATS, NOT TO FACT IT WRONG, BUT NO, IT'S NOT.
I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF CONFLICT AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY THAT IT CAN BE A CONFLICT.
IT CAN BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
IF YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY ON YOUR BOARD THAT BUILT IN THE END AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR OWN INSPECTORS COME OUT AND INSPECT THE WORK.
THAT IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE THING CAUSE THAT, UM, THAT STEVEN, MR. HICKS, AND I FEEL LIKE IN SOME WAYS, AND I KNOW I'M GLAD YOU SAID YOU DID IT.
I TOTALLY GET, I TOTALLY BELIEVE THAT.
UM, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THERE PROBABLY IS SOME, LIKE IF IT FEELS LIKE PEOPLE WERE LIKE, MR. HICKS IS DOING THIS TO ME AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT LAST JANUARY, IT WAS BROUGHT TO COUNCIL BY SOMEBODY ELSE.
AND REALLY MR. HICKS JUST GOT TASKED WITH THE JOB OF, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA AND YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN.
AM I, AM I BEING FAIR? ISN'T THAT PRETTY MUCH HOW THAT KIND OF HAPPENED.
AND SO IF HE'S, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IN THIS ROOM THAT IF ANYBODY FEELS LIKE HE STARTED THIS TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, HE DIDN'T.
AND I, UM, I'M SORRY, WHAT IS YOUR NAME? MY NAME IS JOSHUA HENRY.
I'M A SECOND GENERATION MOORE COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'VE HEARD YOUR NAME PUTTING IN TUBS TO NOW MET YOU.
BUT YOU SAID ABOUT WEARING HATS.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT ACTUALLY CAME UP BEFORE, DIDN'T IT WORK SESSION AND WELL, EVEN BEFORE, BEFORE YOU WERE ON COUNCIL, I, THOSE SAME EXACT WORDS CAME OUT OF MY MOUTH.
THAT I WAS A LITTLE WORRIED THAT WE WERE GIVING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED IS WE WERE TRYING TO SAVE MONEY, RIGHT.
AND SO IT WAS LIKE, WELL, YOU CAN DO IT, YOU CAN DO THIS AND YOU CAN DO THAT.
AND I SAID, THEN THAT'S A LOT OF HATS.
WE WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO BE THE TOWN MANAGER AND BE ABLE TO DO A GREAT JOB AT THAT.
SO, SO I RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND I'M SURE HE RESPECTS WHAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING TOO.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT UP THAT IF ANYBODY THINKS THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING WHERE HE CAME ON BOARD AND SAID, HEY, LET'S START THIS BUILDING CODE OR BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND I'LL RUN IT.
IT WAS MORE OR LESS, YOU KNOW, AT THE DIRECTOR SIDE, HE GOT TASKED WITH IT.
AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, SOME OF THE, THE WHOLE PURPOSE BEHIND THIS WAS SUPPOSEDLY TO MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT.
AND BECAUSE THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WANTED TO SEE A FASTER TURNAROUND AND THAT THERE WERE BUSINESSES THAT LITERALLY WERE READY TO OPEN, BUT HADN'T GOTTEN THEIR OCCUPANCY PERMIT AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT ALL HADN'T BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
SO, BUT I THINK THERE WAS OTHER UNDERLYING CONDITIONS.
I FEEL CERTAIN THERE WAS, I'M JUST TELLING, I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE HEARING.
WE MIGHT BE HEARING SOMETHING DIFFERENT NOW.
UM, AND SO, YEAH, SO THAT WAS A BIG, HUGE ISSUE.
I WAS HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, PRIOR TO MY TIME ON COUNCIL WAS IT WAS COMMERCIAL THINGS THAT WERE CAUSING PEOPLE TO LOSE A LOT OF MONEY, SMALL BUSINESSES WAITING FOR AN INSPECTION FOR A WATER FOUNTAIN.
THERE WAS A LOCAL SMALL BUSINESS THAT TO WAIT THREE MONTHS FOR A WATER FOUNTAIN INSPECTION, TO BE ABLE TO OPEN UP ON MAIN STREET.
AND THEY ULTIMATELY PAID $3,000 A MONTH IN THEIR LEASE WHILE WAITING FOR THAT INSPECTION.
AND THAT THE BUSINESS IS CLOSED OR BUILDERS ASSOCIATION WOULD HAVE DAMN SHORT, LIKE THE NIGHT WHO THAT BUSINESS WILL LET YOU KNOW, IT KILLED THE BUSINESS CLOSED.
THEY WERE PAYING A LEASE AND THEY COULDN'T, THEIR INSPECTIONS WERE VERY DELAYED.
AND SO IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I CAME ON THAT THIS WAS MAINLY BEING BROUGHT TO FRUITION, UM, ISSUES.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I RAN THROUGH COUNCIL, DEALING WITH THE WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTION ISSUES WITH MIKE AND THE PROCESS THAT WENT THROUGH THEIR FUNDS THAT I HAD TO PAY IN ORDER TO GET INSPECTIONS TO COME IN INSPECTORS THIRD-PARTY INSPECTORS.
AND I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT AS A DOWNTOWN BUSINESS, HAVING THOSE ISSUES, I SHOULD NOT HAVE, I
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HAD TO WRITE A LETTER AND WRITE AN EMAIL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO GET MY PERMITS MOVING.MEANWHILE, MY COMPETITORS WERE JUST DOING WHATEVER THEY WANTED WITH CLOSED DOORS, NOT TELLING ANYBODY, NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING THE RIGHT WAY.
AND I FELT VERY PISSED OFF ABOUT THAT.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE TO PAY MORE THAN YOU'RE CURRENTLY PAYING FOR.
UH, AND I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE INTENTION OF THIS.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE RECTIFIED.
UM, BUT I WILL SAY THE TAX DOLLARS ARE SUBSIDIZED AND WARREN COUNTY ARE BEING SUBSIDIZED BY TALON CITIZENS AS WELL.
AND IF WHAT STEVEN IS SAYING IS, IS TRUE.
AND MAYBE IT IS A, A, YOU KNOW, THE BEST CASE SCENARIO SITUATION IS IT WOULDN'T BE AS TAXPAYER SUBSIDIZING, WHATEVER IS BEING SUBSIDIZED ON THAT.
IF WE COULD BRING THE COSTS DOWN TO MATCH, WHAT IF HE COULD BRING IT DOWN TO MATCH.
SO THAT IS PAYING FOR ITSELF AND WE COULD THEN NOT HAVE, AND YOU CAN DO THE MATH.
WE'LL TAKEN THAT SECOND HAND OFF OF HIM AND HIRE A GUY.
IF THIS GUY IS PERFECT AND YOU WANT TO KEEP HIM FINE, BUT HE'S NOT GONNA WORK HERE FOREVER.
THE NEXT GUY MIGHT NOT BE AS NICE.
AND YOU'RE GONNA PUT TWO HATS ON HIM.
THE SECOND POSITION WILL BE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT TOO MANY HATS.
THE INTENTION IS NOT TO HAVE STEVEN BE THE BUILDING INSPECTOR FOREVER.
IT WAS TO GET THE BUILDING, UM, ALL THIS OFF THE GROUND.
AND THEN ONCE IT WAS GENERATING REVENUE, ONCE IT WAS A TEST, THAT THEORY WAS THEN TO REPLACE IT.
AND THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR.
I HAVE 198 PERMITS WILL NOT COVER YOUR COSTS.
IN THIS TOWN TO SUFFICE THAT KIND OF BUDGET.
WELL, YOU JUST SAID THE COUNTY WOULDN'T EVEN MAKE IT MONEY.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, ONE, WE WAS NEVER ASKED WHERE WE COULD HAVE SAID, IT'S THE WHITE ON IT.
THAT IS OUR FAULT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T INVOLVE OURSELVES.
BUT I WANT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU ABOUT SOMETHING.
THERE IS NO WAY IN GOD'S CREATION THAT AT ANY OF THESE PEOPLE SITTING HERE TODAY WOULD HAVE EVER IMAGINED HE WOULD HAVE WENT THIS WAY.
AND I DON'T THINK WE IMAGINED IT GOING THIS WAY.
WE HAVE NEVER, WE NEVER, EVEN, IT EVEN CROSSED OUR MIND THAT WE WOULD PAY HIM TO BE PAYING SIX TIMES MORE FOR A BUILDING APARTMENT.
THOSE COSTS ARE GOING TO BE PASSED ONTO THE CLIENT STANDPOINT.
I MEAN THAT SIX TIMES THAT COST THAT THIS FALL I GOT IT RECTIFIED FAST BECAUSE WE HAVE PERMITS THAT HAVE BEEN BLOCKED FOR SINCE JANUARY.
AND THIS MAN STILL CANNOT DO ANYTHING.
SO TALKING ABOUT IT TONIGHT, UNLESS YOU ACT ON IT, YOU'RE GOING TO TIE HIM UP FOR ANOTHER MONTH OR TWO.
HE'S PAYING AN INTEREST FOR THE BANK TO GET A CONSTRUCTION LOAN.
I MEAN, WE GOTTA GET SOMETHING GOING ON.
WE CAN ACTUALLY TAKE ANY ACTION TONIGHT.
WHAT'S WHAT'S HOPE WHAT'S SPECIFICALLY.
I ASKED TO HAVE MY PLANS APPROVED AS PRESENTED, UH, AND I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO MEET WITH MR. HICKS YET YOU OFFERED A MEETING TODAY, BUT I WAS NOT AVAILABLE, BUT, UH, I HAD 13 COMMENT TYPE DRESSED ALL THE TIME AND SEND IT BACK TO MR. DICKS.
AND I WANTED MY PLANS APPROVED AS PRESENTED BECAUSE I DID NOT WANT TO SEND THEM BACK TO GO THROUGH PLAN REVIEW AND GET CHARGED ANOTHER TWO, THREE, $400.
ACCORDING TO THE RECEIPT THAT I WAS EMAILED FOR, MY INITIAL COST $155,450 FOR REVIEW OF 1,056 SCORE A SECOND PLANNER, HAS THAT PLAN BEEN REVIEWED BY OUR COUNTY BEFORE? THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO GO TO.
UH, NO, BUT I DID TAKE THE PLAN IN TO DAVID BEAN AFTER I GOT THE COMMENTS.
AND I ASKED HIM TO LOOK AT THE COMMENTS AND LOOK AT MY PLANS.
AND HE PRETTY WELL TOLD ME THAT HE DIDN'T REALLY SEE ANY ISSUES WITH WHAT THE, WITH WHAT THEY WERE WANTING FOR.
CAUSE THEY, THEY WERE ASKING FOR THINGS ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT WE NORMALLY STICK ON OUR PLANS.
AND IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT SET OF THE PLANS, I HAVE THEM FROM THE PLANNER YOU DO.
AND I ALSO HAVE A COUNTY APPROVED SET OF PLANS THAT I BROUGHT WITH ME ON A HOUSE SET.
IT'S CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
YOU HAVE THE COMMENT SHEET, I GUESS, CURRENT PLAN REVIEW.
AND THAT WAS A PLAN AS I GOT BACK INTO CONFLICT, TH THIS WOULD BE HERE'S THIS, HIS CURRENT PLANT AND HIS OWN COMMENT SHEET.
IT D HE JUST HAD AN EXAMPLE HERE OF ANOTHER SET OF PLANS WITH A SIMILAR STRUCTURE.
HE'S GOING INTO COUNTY THAT IN OTHER WORDS, THEY DIDN'T ASK THOSE QUESTIONS, BUT EVERY JURISDICTION IS DIFFERENT, BUT HE'S NOT THERE.
SO IT'S PLANNING AND THIS THE SAME HOUSE, NO, IT'S NOT THE SAME.
THEY'RE DIFFERENT HOUSES, BUT IT'S THE EXAMPLE
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OF THE DIFFERENT DETAILS.I WENT FROM ONE SET OF PLANS TO ANOTHER SET OF PLANS AND WHAT BASICALLY WHAT THE COUNTY DOES.
IF THE COUNTY SEES SOMETHING MOST TIMES THAT THEY GO LIKE, ARE THEY ONE ON THE PLAN? THEY STAMP IT ON THE PLANS.
AND WITH THE ENGINEERING COMPANY, THEY SEND US COMMENTS AND THEY WANT US TO ADD THAT TO OUR PLAN.
SO OF COURSE THEY CAN GET A SECOND REVIEW, WHICH EQUALS MORE MONEY.
I, MY QUESTION ABOUT THE FRONT DOOR COUNTY WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL STAMP IT ON THERE.
THIS IS A YOU, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT EITHER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I MAKE COMMENTS ON PLANS ALL THE TIME.
AND USUALLY THAT'S DONE WITH A REVISION.
THEY'LL JUST SEND THAT BACK IN AND THEN I'LL RELEASE THEIR PLAN, YOU KNOW, AND IT DOESN'T GET CHARGED PLAN REVIEW AGAIN, LET ME LOSE THE PLANS.
SO THIS IS A QUESTION, LIKE, I THINK THE SAME HOUSE A LOT, I'VE DONE 10 TIMES LAST YEAR IN THE TOWN THROUGH SET UP PLANS, BY BRINGING OUT A PROOF SET OF PLANS AND TO MAKE THE POINT FOR THE APPLICATION.
NOW, DO I GOT TO SEND HER TO, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO GO TO THIS ENGINEER? SO IT'S A NEW THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MORE MONEY ON WHEN I'VE ALREADY GOT ENOUGH PER YOUR SET OF PLANS.
THAT'S BEEN BUILT 10 PLUS TIMES TO GO SPEND MORE MONEY ON IT.
THAT WAS MY COMMENT SHEET FROM ECS TEMPERED.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO THAT EVERY TIME GOING FORWARD? YEAH.
CAUSE I'VE MATCHED MY PLAN IS MASTER FILE.
I MEAN IT DOES ANYBODY ELSE NEED TO SEE? YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK.
I WAS LOOKING AT AND TEACH ME, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE $200 CHARGE.
YOU GOT TO PICK A THIRD PARTY TO LOOK AT.
YOU WOULD LOOK AT IT YOURSELF.
PERMANENT STUFF, THURSDAY, ASPEN, SAFE TO ASSUME THAT HE HIRED A POSITION AND YOU REALLY DIDN'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS OF WHAT IT ENTAILED.
SO WE NEED TO KIND OF GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND SAY, NOW WE CAN MAKE A BETTER EDUCATED DECISION.
DO WE NEED A BUILDING OFFICIAL FOR THE TOWN? OR SHOULD WE PUT IT BACK INTO THE CAMP? WELL, WE DID HIRE THE PERMIT TECHNICIAN.
SO TWO WEEKS BEFORE JANUARY 3RD, TO ME, WHAT WAS THE BAKERY? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
IF THERE WAS, I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN TALKING TO A LOT OF BUILDERS AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT BUILT THIS TOWN THAT ARE ON THE WALL.
SO I WAS LIKE, WAS THERE A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THIS CHANGE? MOST OF YOU AT THAT TABLE ARE TOO YOUNG OR TOO NEW TO REMEMBER, BUT MOST OF THESE GUYS OVER HERE MAY REMEMBER AT ONE POINT THEY WERE COUNTY AND TOWN WERE JOINT IN AGREEMENT TO DISSOLVE THE TOWN COUNCIL AND BE ONE, BECAUSE IF YOU TOOK ALL OF OUR CITIZENS TO, IN THAT SCHEME, WE WOULD NOT FEEL THE STADIUM.
THERE'S NOT THAT MANY OF US, YOU KNOW? SO THE TOWN ACTUALLY AT THAT TIME, AGREED FOR US TO BE ONE.
YOU HAD TWO COUNTY SUPERVISORS THAT VOTED AGAINST IT.
SO WE'RE HERE TODAY, BUT STRATEGICALLY, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH PERMITS AND ENOUGH STUFF TO HAVE OUR OWN BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE TOWN, YOUR OWN EDA FOR THE TOWN OR TORRES PLAN FOR THE TOWN.
SO I WAS LIKE, IS THERE A LONG-TERM STRATEGIC PLAN OR SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT THAT GOT US TO THIS DECISION? I GUESS, I MEAN, IT'S JUST NUMBERS AND NOTICE OUR OLD SCHOOL HERE.
AND WE WERE ALL RAISED ON THE PHILOSOPHY.
IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT, YOU DON'T DO IT TILL YOU CAN.
AND TO ME, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE TOWN COULD AFFORD TO SET UP THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT CORRECTLY.
AND THEN THE UNINTENTIONAL CONSEQUENCE TO THIS IS ALL THE BUILDERS BECOME THE GUINEA PIGS FOR THIS NEW SYSTEM.
AND WE WERE, I THINK WE'RE THE ONLY PROFESSION THAT HAS TO FIGHT ALL THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO WORK THE ECONOMY.
WE FIGHT THE WEATHER, UM, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS.
THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON WE ORGANIZED TO START WITH WAS TO TRY TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY, TO GET OUR ISSUES.
YOU KNOW, WE WERE ALL BEING SEEN AS INDIVIDUALS AND NOT AS A GROUP AND SOME OF US, SOME OF THE BUILDERS WERE GETTING TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN THE OTHER BUILDERS.
BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO US TOO, WAS THAT DEPENDING ON WHO, WHAT WAS GOING ON YOURS WAS GETTING FASTER, ANOTHER OTHER STUFF.
AND WE CAN EXPLAIN WHY THERE'S 30 TO 45 DAY TURNAROUND FOR PERMIT
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RIGHT NOW.WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ON THAT REGULAR BASIS.
THE, NO, THE DOWNSIDE TO THIS IS, UM, FROM A CONSTRUCTION LOAD POINT OF VIEW IN AN APPRAISER.
IF WE HAVE TO ADD 10,000 TO THE PRICE OF THE HOUSE, THERE'S NO APPRAISAL.
THIS IS GOING TO ACCOUNT FOR THE PERMIT.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU CAN DOWNSIZE AND GO TO A LAMINATE COUNTER FROM GRANTED.
IF YOU HAVE A BUDGET YOU HAVE TO MEET, BUT YOU CAN'T ACCOUNT FOR $10,000 DIFFERENCE IN A BUILDING PERMIT.
SO EVERYBODY'S GOING TO START BUILDING IN THE COUNTY AND NOT IN THE TOWN.
IF YOU HAVE A CONSTRUCTION LOAN AND YOU HAVE TO WAIT 90 DAYS FOR A GEO-TECHNICAL SOIL WORK TO BE DONE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN HE STARTED TALKING ABOUT INTEREST EVERY MONTH AND THEN YOUR CONSTRUCTION LOAN IS FOR NINE MONTHS, WHEN NOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE A YEAR, YOUR OVERHEAD EVERY DAY, GOING BACK.
AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE, I MEAN, THERE'S JUST, IT JUST GETS TO WHERE IT WOULDN'T BE WORTH IT TO EVEN BUILD.
AND THERE'S JUST GOTTA BE A BETTER WAY AND WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE OFFERED, YOU KNOW, BEFORE, AND THERE'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT COUNCIL AND, UM, THEY DIDN'T WANT ANY INPUT FROM US.
AND YOU DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THAT WITH DISCOUNT.
I JUST GENERALLY, DURING OUR WORK SESSION, WE DON'T HAVE DISCOURSE.
LIKE PEOPLE DON'T COME IN AND TALK AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I HOPE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE WANT TO HEAR PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS, THEN NOT WAIT.
UM, CAN YOU GET WITH THAT GENTLEMEN IN AND BE ABLE TO HELP HIM GET HERE? HE'S A REVISION BACK THROUGH, AND WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO EXPEDITE HIM.
WE'D LIKE TO MAKE AND LET HIM KNOW.
WE WANTED TO MEET WITH THEM ONE MORE TIME ON JANUARY 26TH.
I'LL SEND THAT QUESTION AND I'M GOING TO RECITE THE QUESTION IT SAYS, IS THERE ANY REASON THESE QUESTIONS WERE NOT SHARED WITH ME INSTEAD OF COUNSEL? I DIDN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE HOW I WAS GOING TO ANSWER IT.
IT WAS EMAILED TO ME TAKING SOME TIME AND I THOUGHT LONG AND HARD ABOUT IT WAS I REALLY WASN'T SURE HOW I WANTED TO ANSWER IT, OR IF I WANTED TO ANSWER, BUT I, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, I'VE DECIDED I KNOW HOW TO ANSWER.
AND THIS IS MY ANSWER TO THIS.
THE TOWN AND COUNTY COUNTIES, TAXPAYERS AND CITIZENS HAVE SUFFERED GREATLY FROM THE LACK OF EVERYONE OF TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY IN THIS AREA IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS IS NOT A NEED TO REHASH.
WHAT OR WHY? BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S SITTING HERE ALREADY, NOT AS WHY, BUT IT IS TRULY SAD THAT ONE INDIVIDUAL CANNOT ASK A TOWN MANAGER, A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OR DEPARTMENT SUPERVISOR A QUESTION, AND KNOW FOR SURE HE OR SHE IS GETTING THE CORRECT ANSWER WITH FULL TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
INSTEAD, WE HAVE TO SHOW UP IN GROUPS OF TWO OR MORE, AS YOU CAN SAY.
SO WE HAVE WITNESSES OF EACH CONVERSATION WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO DO SO MUCH NONSENSE THINGS SUCH AS FOYA REQUEST TO KNOW IF THE RIGHT DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE WITH THE CITIZENS BEING THE CITIZENS WELL-BEING PUT FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE HAVE TO RESEARCH EVERY DECISION AND EVERY APPROVAL TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE IS GETTING THE SAME PROCESS, THE SAME ORDINANCE AND THE SAME LAWS SAYING TREATMENT.
THE TOWN COUNCIL BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, TOWN MANAGER, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ARE ALL WE AS CITIZENS, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ARE ALL POSITIONS THAT WE, AS CITIZENS SHOULD HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT AND TRUST FOR.
IT'S A P IT'S A POSITION THAT INTEGRITY MEANS EVERYTHING, BUT BECAUSE OF THE INFO AND THE DOCUMENTS THAT I RECEIVED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE NOW HAVE NO TRUST IN OUR TOWN.
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WE CANNOT SEND QUESTIONS TO JUST ONE PERSON.WE CANNOT SEND EMAILS TO A SINGLE ADDRESS AND BE CONFIDENT THAT WE ARE TRULY GETTING THE CORRECT AND FAIR ANSWER.
AND THIS MR. HICKS AND THE TOWN COUNCIL IS WHY WE DO WHAT WE DO.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS TOPIC BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT MR. LLOYD? I FEEL LIKE YOU, OH, JUST THAT.
I MEAN, ONE POINT AND IT'S IT'S, UM, ALL THE PRACTICALS THERE'S, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THAT THERE'S ANY WAY THAT THIS COULD GO FORWARD WITH THE TOWN TAKING THE APPROACH, THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO SUBSIDIZE IT FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND THE COUNTY FROM THE GENERAL FUND, BECAUSE IT'S JUST GOING TO CREATE AN IMBALANCED.
THE COST OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE COUNTY IS NOT THE TRUE COST.
AND SO THERE'S OUR ERA RECONCILED ONE.
I'M PUTTING THAT OUT THERE FOR THE GROUP BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH IT EVERY DAY.
AND SO, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOU ALL THINK ON AND, AND GIVE FEEDBACK ON.
I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THE APPROACH WHERE IT'S, WHERE IT'S, UM, IT'S THE TRUTH, THE TOWN COUNTY OR WHATEVER ENTITY IS, IS, UH, UH, CHARGING THE TRUE COSTS.
AND THE PERMITTING OFFICE IS BEING, UM, FUNDED ENTIRELY BY FEES.
THAT SEEMS TO ME LIKE A GOOD APPROACH BECAUSE IT'S CLEAN AND IT'S, UM, TRANSPARENT AND YES, THE COST GETS PASSED ON TO THE, UM, CONSUMER, BUT STILL, I FEEL LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, AS A CONSUMER, I HAVE THESE FINE WITH THAT AS LONG AS IT'S TRANSPARENT AND OPEN, BUT THAT'S JUST MY IMPRESSION.
UM, I'M REALIZING THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE NOW.
AND SO I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT FOR, YOU KNOW, AN HOUR NOW.
SO I I'D LIKE TO THINK ABOUT IT MORE, BUT IT ALSO LIKE TO HEAR IT, UH, WE CAN MAKE A SUGGESTION.
YOU GET THE OPTION OF USING THE COUNTY OR THE TAIL PERMIT OFFICE.
I THINK, I THINK THAT THERE'S, I THINK PERHAPS I COULD COME INTO A MEETING OR A SMALL GROUP, CAUSE I IT'S, IT'S FASCINATING TO ME FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE.
SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO CHEW ON IT WITH SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE, AND I THINK YOUR, YOUR POINT WAS IS THAT IT CAN NOT MEANING THAT BECAUSE THE OTHER, THE COUNTY SUBSIDIZED TO TAXPAYERS, YOU CAN SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
I MEAN, I HEAR PEOPLE THAT ARE MY AGE, OUR KIDS ARE GROWN.
THEY'RE NOT IN SCHOOL ANYMORE.
WHY ARE WE PAYING TAXES? YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST KIND OF EVERYBODY'S IN THE SAME POOL.
AND, UM, AND I, I KIND OF THINK OF THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT IS THE SAME WAY BECAUSE IT'S, IT IS MORE FAIR TO EVERYONE BECAUSE THE ONE TIME WE DID COME TO TOWN COUNCIL MANY YEARS AGO, THE ONE THING THAT WE GOT OUT OF IT IS THAT THE TOWN WANTED US TO HELP GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING DAWN AND THINGS LIKE THIS IS THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE, BECAUSE IT WILL BE WAY LESS EXPENSIVE FOR US TO BUILD THE COUNTY THAN IN THE TOWN.
AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST, THERE'S JUST GOTTA BE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AN ADVISORY BOARD, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A GROUP OF, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT 50 OF US TO HAVE TO COME AND COMPLAIN.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE THINGS TO DO AND FAMILIES AND, AND, UM, BUT WE, WE JUST WANT TO BE TREATED FAIRLY.
AND THIS, YOU KNOW, ON THE, I UNDERSTAND THE BLIGHT, UM, BECAUSE ESPECIALLY HABITAT FOR HUMANITY HAS HAD A BIG ISSUE WITH BLIGHT ON ONE OF THE STREETS AND ONE OF THEIR HOMES WERE BUILT AND YOU'VE GOT SQUATTERS IN THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR, RUNNING ELECTRIC CORDS.
UM, SO, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST GOTTA BE A BETTER WAY.
WELL, AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANKS FOR EVERYBODY COMING, GIVING US LOTS OF INFORMATION TO THINK ABOUT.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, I'VE LEARNED A LOT, UM, ABOUT THIS, UH, THIS WHOLE THING.
AND, UH, I THINK WE WILL NEED TO THINK AND TALK ABOUT MORE AND MAYBE EVEN GET SOME MORE INFORMATION.
BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT EVERYBODY CAME AND EVERYBODY WAS VERY RESPECTFUL AND IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, SO I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, SO, UM, IS THAT OKAY FOR EVERYBODY TO MOVE ON TO,
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OH, AND TOWN MANAGER, UM, COMMENT, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT IS, UH, WE'VE HAD ALL OF THIS DIALECT AND WE'VE HEARD ALL THE CONCERN AND IT'S A URGENCY.SO WHEN CAN WE EXPECT TO STAY ON THE NEXT AGENDA? OR WHEN ARE WE GOING TO TAKE ACTION? I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY.
OPEN-ENDED I SUGGEST Y'ALL HAVE A SPECIAL CALL MATE.
AND TO GIVE ME GUIDANCE ON HOW YOU WANT TO SUBSIDIZE THE DEPARTMENT, WE CAN SIT DOWN.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, OKAY, SUSPENSIONS ANOTHER OPTION.
WHY DON'T WE SEND IT BACK TO THE COUNTY UNTIL Y'ALL CAN FIGURE IT OUT? THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE DISCUSSING SPECIAL CALLED ME.
I'M GETTING READY TO FALL FOR FOUR PERMITS IN THE TOWN.
SO I, I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE COUNTY.
I MEAN, CHRIS IS IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WON'T BREAK FULL ONE RIGHT NOW.
I'VE GOT TO POLL AND I'M NOT PULLING IT BACK TO THE COUNTY NOW, CAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO CALL IT RIGHT NOW OR FOR DEALING WITH PEOPLE OR ON THE PRICES OF HOUSE.
THAT'S WHEN WE WERE HOME SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR, RATHER READY TO BUY THE HOUSE AND THE FEES ARE CHANGED.
SO WE'RE SURE THAT A LOT MORE NOTICE, LIKE GEORGE SAID, NOBODY HAD ANY IDEA.
IT WOULD BE THIS, UH, OVER THE TOP, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO GET INSPECTIONS AND YOU DON'T HAVE A BUILDING OFFICIAL.
YOU GOT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, YOU SAVE THE MONEY.
JUST CANDIDLY IDEA, CANCEL THAT THE ASCENDED BACK WERE BLIND.
ONLY PEOPLE THAT COMPLAINED ABOUT THE COUNTY BUILDING OFFICIALS IS THE ONES THAT HAD PROBLEMS WITH THEIR OWN SELF.
ALL OF US GUYS, LEGIT BUILDERS GUARANTEE YOU.
WE AIN'T GOT TO WORK, GOING TO SAY ABOUT THE WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS.
IT, IT WAS SELF-INFLICTED, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET THEM OUT OF THERE.
WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WE EXISTED, BUT LET ME JUST TELL YOU, SO YOUR MAYOR BELIEVABLY SAY, PLEASE REMEMBER ONE THING THAT MR. SOUTH IS, OR MR. SOUTH SAID TO, I DON'T THINK IT WAS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR.
IT WASN'T JUST THE BUILDERS THAT IT WASN'T JUST BUILDERS THAT WERE SHARING CONCERNS ABOUT THINGS NOT GOING QUICK BECAUSE WE'RE RIGHT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WASN'T JUST BOATERS THE BUILDING.
I JUST DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT THERE WERE ELDERS THAT WERE COMING IN.
THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES SHARING CONCERNS.
YOU WANT TO SAY ONE MORE? WE'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION FOR STEVEN.
UM, WHEN YOU HAVE TO WRITE A LETTER BACK TO THE MR. UH, DR.
BAILEY, IF WE DECIDE TO SEND IT BACK TO THE COUNTY AGAIN, RIGHT? I THINK YOU HAVE TO NOTIFY DHCD TOO, DON'T YOU? YES.
AND WE CAN ADD SPECIAL MEETING.
AND I WOULD HOPE THAT IF WE DID THAT, WE ALSO, WE PROBABLY NEED SOME MORE DISCOURSE BETWEEN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, HAVE CONCERNS AND DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE, THEY'RE BEING HEARD.
UM, THAT, THAT HAD BEEN SHARING CONCERNS WITH US TOO, BECAUSE I SUGGEST THE FIRST MEETING TO TRY TO HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND US AND HAVE THEM SHARE WHAT PERFORMANCE MEASURES ARE FOR PLAN REVIEWS.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'M HEARING.
IT'S THE TIME TO GET THINGS APPROVED AND HAVE THAT MEETING, AND THEN CONCURRENTLY THAT SAME EVENING OR NEXT DAY, HAVE A SPECIAL CALL MEETING AND DETERMINE ONE, IF WE SHOULD GO BACK IS COUNTED IN THIS MIDDLE INSPECTION OR WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO, TO SUBSIDIZE THE INSPECTION PROGRAM THAT WE HAD HERE.
AGAIN, THE PERMIT APPLICATION IS THE SAME FEE THAT, THAT THE COUNTY CHARGES, WE COULD HAVE THE PERMIT APPLICATION FEE WHERE THE BUILDERS OR CITIZENS OR BAYLOR PAYS THE INSPECTION AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF.
IF YOU STILL WENT WITH THE THIRD PARTY, THEN THAT WOULD BE, UM, SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN WOULD PICK UP, UM, REALIZE THE COUNTY BUDGET AT $680,000.
SO THE POINT OF IT IS WE, WE COULD HAVE THE DEPARTMENT, BUT THE PASS THROUGH WOULD NO LONGER EXIST.
AND ON THE, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S TOTALLY UP TO COUNCIL.
THE GOAL WAS FOR IT TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT.
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IT IS SELF-SUFFICIENT.UM, AND SO, CAUSE IT'S JUST BASED ON THE PASS THROUGH DOLLARS.
WE'LL THAT LAST ONE I SHE'LL CALL ME.
WE LIKE AGREED TO PUT A TIME CAP ON THIS.
LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO REQUEST A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING WITHIN X AMOUNT OF TIME.
I'M NOT COMFORTABLE JUST LEAVING THIS TABLE AND WE'LL CALL A MEETING, LEAVING EVERYBODY.
UM, YOU CAN HAVE ONE, UM, FRIDAY THROUGH WON'T BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT.
WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE TWO DAYS, GET THE ADVERTISEMENT FOR TWO DAYS.
WE CAN'T JUST LIKE, WE CAN'T JUST DO IT TOMORROW.
WE HAVE TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT THE COUNCIL I'VE ALREADY ASKED IT HOW THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UM, WHEN YOU'RE ALL TRYING TO MAKE YOUR ADJUSTMENTS AS FAR AS PERFORMANCE AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR OWN DEPARTMENTS AND IN THE CA IN THE COUNTY, DO IT IN THEIR DEPARTMENTS IS FOR YOU GUYS TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND, PUT YOURSELF IN THE DAILY OPERATIONS, TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE FACED WITH ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS, BECAUSE THAT AFFECTS HOW PERMITS GET TURNED DOWN.
NOT EVERYBODY KNOWS THE STORIES OF WHY THERE'S THE LIGHTS, BECAUSE LET'S FACE IT.
I MEAN, YOU GUYS REALLY CAN'T BE INVOLVED IN ALL OF IT, BUT I THINK FOR YOU TO BE A GOOD COUNCIL MEMBER, AND I'VE TOLD THIS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, SEVERAL OF THEM TO BE A GOOD SUPERVISOR, YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND YOUR DAILY OPERATIONS.
YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE TRENCHES AND, AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY GO THROUGH ON A DAILY BASIS.
BEFORE YOU JUST THROW IT OUT THERE THAT SOMETHING'S WRONG.
IF YOU DON'T ASK, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S WRONG.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE KIND OF THE COUNTY IS RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE IN A LAW.
BUT WHAT YOU MAY NOT UNDERSTAND IS ON IN NOVEMBER, THEY WERE, THEY WERE, UH, GIVEN A MEMO, UH, BY AN INDIVIDUAL THAT SAID THAT THEY'RE, UH, LOSE IT OR USE IT OR LOSE IT.
TIME WAS HAD TO BE USED BY JUNE 1ST.
WELL, A WEEK LATER, THEY GOT THE NEW MEMO.
IT SAID IT HAD TO BE USED BY JANUARY 1ST.
THIS IS IN THE MIDDLE OF NOVEMBER.
ALL OF HER BODY IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAD TIME.
THEY WERE GOING TO USE OR LOSE IT.
NOBODY'S GOING TO LOSE WHAT THEY WERE GIVING YOU, WHAT YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE EXPECTED THEM TO.
BUT WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE A MONTH AND A HALF TO USE YOUR, USE IT OR LOSE IT TIME, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE IT.
AND UNFORTUNATELY IT LEFT THEM UNDERSTAFFED.
IS THAT RIGHT OR WRONG? I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN ANSWER THAT.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THE COUNTY IMPLEMENTED THIS RULES THAT THEY USE THEIR TIME BY JANUARY ONE.
WHY DIDN'T YOU EXTEND IT BACK TO JANUARY TO JUNE ONE? IF THEY HAD EXTENDED IT, NOBODY HAD BEEN IN A HURRY, BUT WHEN YOU GIVE THEM THE ULTIMATUM OF USE IT OR LOSE IT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
UNDERSTAND YOUR DAILY OPERATIONS, UNDERSTAND THEIR DAILY OPERATIONS OF WHAT EACH DEPARTMENT DOES.
AND I THINK YOU'LL GET A CLEARER PICTURE OF MAYBE HOW THINGS WORK.
UM, THE THIRD BULLET IS MORRIS.
SO I HAD REQUESTED FOR AN ADDITION TO THE AGENDA FOR A CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC NEED, UM, ALTERNATIVE TO COD.
THESE ARE LAWS THAT REQUIRE HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS WISHING TO OPEN OUR HEALTHCARE FACILITIES DISPROVED WEEKEND HERE.
SO A CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC NEED, OR A CON REQUIRES HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS WISHING TO OPEN OR EXPAND TO HEALTHCARE GUSTO RIGHT DOWN THE HALL.
YOU'LL MAKE IT TOO MUCH FORWARD.
THEY CAN'T CONTINUE DO A REGULATORY BODY THAT THEIR COMMUNITY NEEDS AND A NEED FOR BROADER HEALTH CARE, SUCH AS WOMEN'S CARE.
SO A CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC NEED WOULD OPEN
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UP THE DOOR OR, UM, COMPETING HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS, SPECIALTY HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS, HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS, FOR ITEMS THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE IN MORGAN COUNTY.UM, SO THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE COUNCIL TO START THE DISCUSSION.
I DON'T SUPPORT THAT I SUPPORT IN FREE MARKET.
WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP ON THIS THOUGH? WOULD IT BE MAYBE CORRECT.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD, ACTUALLY.
IT'S WHOEVER WANTS TO COME AND PROVIDE THAT CERTAIN.
SO FOR A WOMEN'S CARE, LIKE A WOMEN'S CARE WOULD HAVE TO COME AND THEY WOULD DO THE APPLICATION, RIGHT? YEAH.
PREVENTATIVE OF THAT, OF ANOTHER ORGANIZATION COMING IN HERE AND PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES, WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD THAT.
IS THAT WHAT? NO, THAT'S NOT TRUE EITHER BECAUSE I SAT ON A BOARD AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY CLEAR DIRECTION THEY WOULD FALL FOR THAT WITH THE TOWN OR THE COUNTY.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE HOSPITAL, WHAT THE COMPANY, PUBLIC, BASICALLY RABBITS MONOPOLY, THEY HAVE TO, BY THE STATE FOR STUFF LIKE YOUR PUBLIC NEEDS AND NECESSITIES, TO BE ABLE TO CORRECT A 50 ROOM HOSPITAL, 800 RURAL HOSPITALS IN THE STATE WOULD DETERMINED WAS A SUFFICIENT NEED TO GRANT SUCH A PERMIT.
AND SO NO MATTER HOW THE STATE RULES, THE LOCALITIES HAVE NO SAYING THAT'S CORRECT.
WELL THAT ANSWERS A LOT OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT WERE INTERESTED IN COMING IN, BUT IF WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO SAY WHO COMES IN, I GUESS WHOEVER'S LOBBYING THE STATE CONTROLS THE FREE MARKET, BUT IT'S NOT SO FREE.
THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING TO WHOEVER WANTS TO PROVIDE IS THE PERSON THAT APPLIED OR NOT THE PERSON.
AND THEY CAME IN AND WANTED TO PROVIDE A SERVICE AFTER RESOLUTION SUPPORT OF THE STATE TO APPROVE.
SO THAT IS ANOTHER THING SPECIFICALLY THAT WE NEED TO KEEP IN THE BACK OF HER MIND, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE HEALTHCARE FACILITIES INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING AND ROYAL MOORE COUNTY.
UM, SO THEY MAY COME TO THE TOWN, THEY APPLIED TO COME TO THE TOWN FOR A RESOLUTION TO SUPPORT.
AND THEN LIKE YOU SAID, THEN THEY, THEN IT WOULD BE KIND OF LIKE A VOTE OF A VOTE OF SUPPORT, LIKE, OKAY.
BECAUSE I WAS APPROACHED, BUT THERE ARE SOME BOARDS LOOKING TO EXPAND INTO OUR AREA.
I MEAN, IN ADDITION TO THE WOMEN'S SERVICES THAT WERE REQUESTED, THE LACK OF, UM, INTENSIVE CARE, UM, THE URGENT CARE THAT WE HAVE IN TOWN, IT'S BEEN CLOSED SINCE OCTOBER.
SO I MEAN, THE NEED FOR, FOR, UM, HEALTHCARE IS THAT WELL, AND I RECENTLY FOUND OUT THAT OUR HOSPITAL HAS NOW IDENTIFIED AND BRANDED THEMSELVES AS A COVID HOSPITAL.
SO I'M A CONSTITUENT REACHED OUT TO ME.
THEY WERE TAKEN TO OUR HOSPITAL BY AMBULANCE.
IT TESTED NEGATIVE AND THEY WERE TOLD IF YOU DON'T HAVE COVID, WE DON'T TREAT YOU AT WAR MEMORIAL HOSPITAL.
AND THEY WERE TRANSPORTED OUT OF WARM MEMORIAL HOSPITAL FOR NON COVID RELATED ISSUES TO BE TREATED AT ANOTHER VALLEY HEALTH FACILITY.
UM, SO NOW THAT THEY'VE BRANDED THEMSELVES AS A COVID TREATMENT FACILITY SOLELY, UM, I THINK THAT'S WHAT SPARKED INTEREST IN SOME OTHER HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS COMING INTO THE AREA AND NOT ONLY URGENT CARE AND WOMEN'S CARE, THERE'S A NEED FOR SPECIALTY CLINIC.
UM, YOU CAN'T GET AN MRI ANYWHERE AROUND HERE.
I MEAN, ONCE I SAID, WELL, BUT I WENT AND CHESTER, IT'S AN ASTRONOMICAL, WAIT, I BROKE A BONE, NEEDED AN MRI.
THEY WERE LIKE FOUR TO SIX WEEKS WHILE IT'S GOING TO BE HEALING BY THEN.
I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU GO.
CAUSE I JUST GOT IN FOR ONE BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE IMAGING DONE FOR ME.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN ON THAT SAME LINE THAT THERE'S, THAT IT'S CALLED, UH, OPEN AND WHATEVER.
IT'S THE ONE RIGHT BESIDE OF, IN, IN THE HEARST HOUSE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY NOT.
AND YOU CAN PAY BEING PAID CASH THERE AND RATHER THAN DO IT THROUGH INSURANCE.
SO I GUESS ADD IT TO THE NEXT STAGE WHERE WE CAN BE EVALUATE, UM, MAYBE GET A SECOND OPINION ON A JURISDICTION ABILITY TO REGULATE HOSPITALS IN THE JURISDICTION WITHIN OUR TOWN, OUR TOWN CHARTER.
YOU WANT US TO FILL THE HOSPITAL? NO.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THAT INTERPRETATION IS TO GET A SECOND OPINION ON THAT.
WE MIGHT GET TO SEE THE NEED OR SEE AN EMERGENCY.
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AND IF WE'RE NOW JUST ONLY TAKING COVID PATIENTS AT OUR HOSPITAL, YOU KNOW, IT'S OUR SOLE SOURCE, UH, HEALTHCARE PROVIDER WITHIN OUR AREA OF OUR CITIZENS SUPPOSED TO DO.WHEN I READ ON FACEBOOK THAT THEY'RE SPENDING SEVEN HOURS WAITING FOR MY DAUGHTER, I HAD TO SPEND HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS WAITING FOR AN APPOINTMENT BECAUSE THERE'S ONE URGENT CARE.
YEAH, THERE, THEY'VE NOW LIKE EVERY MORNING THEY FILL THEIR APPOINTMENTS.
YOU HAVE TO WALK IN AND IT'S ABOUT AN EIGHT HOUR, WAIT.
WALKED BACK OUT FOR A VIRTUAL APPOINTMENT AND FIT IN MY CAR AND THEY USUALLY PAY YOU UP.
EVEN MY BURGERS SAT OUTSIDE FOR TWO HOURS.
AND I THINK WHEN YOU'RE HAVING SOMETHING THAT'S EMERGENT, THAT'S TOO LONG TO WAIT.
WELL, I'LL THROW DRIP INTO MID EXPRESSION WINCHESTER TOO, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE HAVING A HEART ATTACK OR YOU HAVE A LACERATION, OR IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING OF IMPORTANT NEED, THERE'S NO URGENCY.
AND HAVING TO DRIVE TO ANOTHER LOCALITY, WHICH IS WHY WE NEED A HEART ATTACK.
HE WENT INTO THE URGENT CARE, RIGHT? WITH GOVERNMENT.
SOMETIMES HE WOULD GO TO CHEST PAINS, URGENT CARE.
YOU THINK IT'S SOMETHING ELSE.
AND THEN THEY'RE LIKE, NO, YOU'RE HAVING A HEART ATTACK.
HERE'S HAD INFLAMMATION AROUND HIS HEART AND THEY TOOK HIM STRAIGHT FROM THE URGENT CARE AND TOOK A TRIP FROM THE URGENT CARE CENTER.
BUT THEN HE HAD UM, AT OUR HOSPITAL HERE THAT WE JUST SPENT ALL THIS MONEY.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION OF THE RESOLUTIONS PRESENTED BECAUSE WE ALSO, WHILE WE'RE ALL FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE CARS AND DRIVERS LICENSE, A LOT OF OUR CONSTITUENTS DO NOT HAVE THAT SENSIBILITY.
WELL, EVEN THE AMBULANCE, WE JUST HAD TWO WEEKS AGO, I'M SORRY.
ONE WEEK AGO, A BABY, HER ON HER WAY FROM WARREN COUNTY TO WINCHESTER BREACH IN THE BACK OF THE AMBULANCE.
AND THE CALL CAME ACROSS THAT THE LEG WAS HOW, AND AGAIN, I MEAN, THIS IS AN EMERGENCY.
SO THE JIM'S GOING TO CHECK INTO THAT JUST TO SEE.
UM, AND THEN HE EVER WAS GONNA SAY, I CAN PASS IF THERE'S OTHER, IF THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT'S INTERESTED IN COMING HERE.
UM, SO THE LAST BULLET WE HAVE TONIGHT, I JUST WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD, I DIDN'T MAKE IT LONGER BEFORE ANYBODY SHOT.
I KNEW WE HAD ALL THOSE BUILDERS IN THIS ROOM AND YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO SEE MORE INFORMATION.
I KNOW THAT, UH, DONNY GOT A LITTLE MAD AT ME.
THE FACT THAT WE HAVE ONE INSTANCE, ONE INSTANCE THAT NEEDED TO BE DISCUSSED.
YES, BUT WE NEEDED MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
AND SO THAT WAS ENOUGH ALREADY.
AND THEN WE NEEDED TO MOVE ON TO THE BUILDERS TO DO THAT AFFECTS MORE THAN JUST ONE.
SO THE LAST BULLET IS, OH, SORRY.
I THOUGHT I ALREADY SAID THIS AND IT'S ON THE COUNT CAMERA AS WELL BEFORE HE GOES THE LAST BULLET.
BUT I WAS REALLY, REALLY HAPPY WITH THE WAY WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM, A LOT OF, A LOT OF FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS.
AND I THINK EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY, HE DID A GREAT JOB.
THE STAFF DID A GREAT JOB LEFT LAST BULLET BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AND LOCAL BUILDING CODE OF APPEALS, THAT UPDATE.
SO ACTUALLY PART OF THE DISCUSSION, I GOT TO BRING THE COUNCIL UP ON YOUR PARTICIPANT.
UH, WE HAVE A INDIVIDUAL THAT I INTERVIEWED, UH, LAWRENCE, WHERE THE INDIVIDUAL WHO GAVE, MENTIONED THE NAME, WRITE DOWN COUNSELING, WE THINK A PERSON'S A STRONG CANDIDATE.
AND WE REALIZE, HOPEFULLY THAT'S THE COUNCIL'S DESIRE TO INTERVIEW.
WE CAN HAVE A CLOSED SESSION MEETING AND THEN YOU COULD COME OUT OF CLOSED SESSION SHARING WITH COUNSELOR, SEES THE APPLICATION.
SO I JUST NEED GUIDANCE ON IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A CLOSED SESSION, 28 INTERVIEW, OR JUST GO WITH LAUREN AND, AND THE, MY RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE IT IS EASIER WHEN SOMEONE THIS STAGE OF THE NIGHT.
I, UM, I, I FEEL CONFIDENT IF I'M SURE YOU GUYS ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT WE NORMALLY WOULD ASK AND, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT IF WE WANT TO DO A CLOSE, YOU KNOW, WHAT I ALSO THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, IS THAT WE CAN ALWAYS CALL INDIVIDUALLY, IF ANYBODY ON THE COUNCIL WANTED TO LIKE TALK TO THEM DIRECTLY, THEY COULD ALWAYS TAKE THE PHONE NUMBER AND CALL AND JUST SAY, UM, AND I'M ON THE COUNCIL.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR INTEREST IN THIS POSITION BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT IS GREAT AND WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME ROOM, BUT, BUT, UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S PRESENTED IS DO SO.
WHAT DO YOU ALL, WHAT'S YOUR ALL'S PLEASURE?
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WHAT SHALL WE DO? WE'RE HAVING A SPECIAL CALL MEETING AT A SPECIAL PURPOSE.CAN WE SENT, SHOULD WE, COULD WE GO AHEAD AND GET OUT OUR CALENDARS AND FIGURE OUT WHEN THE SPECIAL CALL ME? I MEAN, CAN WE DO THAT NOW IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COUNTY? OH NO.
YOU WERE SAYING TO LIKE DO IT THE NIGHT NEXT NIGHT AFTER MEETING WITH THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY MET TONIGHT.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS COUNCIL TO MEET AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, JUST TO HAVE MORE DIALOGUE CURRENTLY, I'LL GET UP WITH ED AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A JOINT MEETING, OR I DISCUSSED WITH THAT AND THEY'D HAVE A, BY THAT TIME, THE 28TH, WE CAN HAVE THREE MEETING PRIOR TO THAT, BUT I'VE HEARD THE VOICES FROM THE CONTRACTORS.
I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO HAVE A MEETING.
I MEAN, YOU MEAN THIS FRIDAY, THE 18TH.
SO THIS FRIDAY, MONDAY, MONDAY IS PRESENT DAY.
I RIGHT, WELL THEN GOOD FOR THIS BODY QUICKLY, YOU KNOW, GIVE US SOME GUIDANCE.
WHAT TIME TUESDAY I'LL BE LATE.
I WAS ON TIME TONIGHT RECORDS COMING BACK.
SO YOU'RE SAYING ME AS A GROUP AND, BUT NOT NECESSARILY WILL NOT MEET WITH THE COUNTY YET ON IT.
I WOULD THINK THAT WE NEED TO AT LEAST IDENTIFY SOME OF THE AREAS YOU ALL WOULD LIKE STAFF TO ADDRESS.
WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY, I THINK.
AND THEN ALSO HOPEFULLY BETWEEN NOW AND OUR NEXT SPECIAL CALL MEETING, THAT WE HAVE OPTIONS AND COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT TO EITHER CONTINUE THE PATH.
WE'RE GOING LOOK AT WAYS TO BRING IT IN HOUSE, THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
SO THE THIRD PARTY, OR WE HANDED GO BACK OVER.
I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET SOME HARD NUMBERS.
I WANTED TO SAY, UM, THAT WE ALSO SAID, WE ALSO SAID WE PROBABLY ALL NEEDED TO GET IN THE SAME ROOM OVER THIS TOURISM THING AGAIN.
I MEAN, I ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE WE'RE LEAVING HERE TONIGHT, STILL WITH NO CLEAR DIRECTION.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KEEP GETTING, I KNOW WE KEEP GETTING ASKED, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE DOING? WHAT ARE WE DOING? WHAT ARE WE DOING? AND THAT PROVERBIAL KICK IN THE CAMP.
I MEAN, ARE WE TALKING, ARE WE SAYING, OH, I'M TRUST ME.
I WAS THE ONLY ORIGINAL SWING.
SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS KIND OF WORKING, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO YOU'RE SAYING WE TALK ABOUT THAT AND ASK THE COUNTY AND MEET WITH US NEXT TUESDAY.
CAN YOU SAY TWO THINGS ON THE AGENDA, TOURISM AND BUILDING FOR US AND EVERYBODY, THE COUNTY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT'S WRONG.
SO ARE WE SAYING WE CAN MEET ON FEBRUARY 22ND? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? AND INVITE THE COUNTY OR INVITE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SO THAT WE CAN EFFECTIVELY GET DONE OUR BUILDING STUFF WITH JUST US AND THEN THE DOORS AND WITH THE COUNTY AND THE SAME NIGHT, A LONG NIGHT, I'M JUST, UM, YOU ALL REALIZED THAT WE HAD, UH, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A RETREAT WITH THE COUNTY, BUT BECAUSE OF THE SNOW, CAUSE I LITERALLY JUST LOOKED ON MY COUNTER.
WE NEVER RESCHEDULED THAT DID ME.
SO WHAT'D YOU SAY THAT'S NOT UNCOMMON, BUT, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, UM, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
I GUESS I JUST FEEL LIKE I KEEP, WE KEEP GETTING APPROACHED.
WHAT ARE WE DOING? WHAT ARE WE DOING? WHAT ARE WE DOING? AND I JUST TELL HIM THAT WE AREN'T YAY OR NAY.
I DON'T WANT, I HOPE WE'RE NOT GOING TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO DRIVE THIS ALL THE WAY OUT TILL MARCH, APRIL NAG, CONVOLUTED.
BECAUSE HE HAD A LETTER FROM THE NIGHT THAT SAID IRREVOCABLE,
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AND THEN WE GOT SOMETHING TONIGHT.WHICH IS WHY, AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY GET IN THE SAME ROOM AND FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, NOBODY GETS OUT TO, WE DECIDE WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHETHER WE ARE, ARE WE HARD? IS THAT SOUND RIDICULOUS? HOW LIKE YOUR MOM SAYS EVERYBODY THE SAME ROOM DON'T COME OUT AND TELL YOUR FRIENDS.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, UH, THE, THE JOINT MEETING WITH THE BOARD, WHAT I'M HOPING IS FOR US TO EXPRESS WHAT WE'VE, I WAS HIRED THE TURNAROUND WHEN THINGS GET APPROVED, MULTIPLE BITES AT THE APPLE AND STOP THAT SOMETHING.
I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE HAVING THE COUNTY PROVIDE THE SERVICE, WHAT EXPECTATIONS OR WHAT, WHAT PERFORMANCE MEASURES.
WE GOT, THEY GOT ISSUES TOO BIG.
AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT TOO.
I MEAN, I'VE SPOKEN WITH A COUPLE OF BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEMBERS THEY'RE WELL AWARE OF.
SO WHAT TIME WHEN TO WHAT TIME CAN YOU GET THERE? BUSY TUESDAYS, MY KIDS HAD A JUJITSU AND VIOLIN AND UM, MY WIFE IS USUALLY AT THE OFFICE DOWN IN ARLINGTON.
SO THAT'S WHY TUESDAYS ARE ROUGH FOR ME.
I'M MR. MOM, I'M WORKING A FULL-TIME JOB AND I'M DOING KID DROP OFF AND STUFF IN THE AFTERNOON.
SO BY THE TIME THE EVENING COMES ALONG, I'M SCRAMBLING TO GET HERE.
SO I TELL HER IF IT'S A TUESDAY OR THURSDAY.
SO CAUSE WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS OUT OF THE HOUSE.
I DON'T HAVE THAT FAMOUS, BUT I REMEMBER THOSE DAYS.
WHAT IF, WHAT IF ON WEDNESDAY, IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD BEAT STARTING AT SIX, WE COULD SAY WE COULD SHARE THAT PART FIRST.
AND IT'S MORE OF A SHARING OF CONCERN.
RIGHT? AND THEN FOLLOW THAT UP WITH NOW.
LET'S TRY TO HASH OUT THAT THE MOA BEFORE THAT WEDNESDAY NIGHT, HOPEFULLY JIM CAN TALK TO, UM, UH, JASON AT, FROM THE COUNTY.
AND YOU KNOW, BUT BEFORE WEDNESDAY WE NEED THE, WE NEED THE MOA THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT BECAUSE I SAID THAT TO YOU ALL TWO WEEKS AGO, WE CAN'T HAVE A QUESTION.
WHAT TIME WEDNESDAY WOULD YOU ALL TELL ME, KEN, WE IS ANYBODY THAT EMAIL THAT YOU READ OUT LOUD THAT SAID YOU WERE VOCAL, CAME FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND IT WAS IN THE BODY OF THE EMAIL, NOT THE MOA.
JOE, I'M TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT WITH YOUR KIDS.
SO WITH THE TRENT WHAT'D THE 23RD WORK FOR EVERYBODY, WOULD IT LOOKING OKAY OVER AT SIX O'CLOCK LIKE, DOES EVERYBODY GET IT? THAT'S GOING TO BE MISERABLE.
SO SIX O'CLOCK AND IT BRINGS, WE'RE GOING TO TRUST SUPER HARD TO GET THE COUNTY TO COME WEDNESDAY, THE 23RD.
AND HE HAD TO WORK AS LATE AS WE WORKED PM.
HE JUST ANSWERED IT IN THE BODY OF THE MOA SUPERVISORS AS TEXT ME AND SAID THEY NEVER APPROACHED THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
SO THAT PEOPLE ARE TUNED IN LIVE TO THE MEETING.
SO I STARTED TO ADDRESS THAT AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I REALLY THINK IT ALL TOGETHER IN ONE ROOM AND IT'S GOING TO BE HELPFUL.
UM, SO SO, SO THE 23RD, THE FIRST PART WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING CODES, THEN THE CERTAIN PORT WE'RE GOING TALK ABOUT THE HIMALAYA AND WE WILL REACH OUT TO OUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS TOO, AND BE LIKE, SO, SO IT'D BE A SPECIAL MEETING AND WE'RE, WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE BECAUSE HONESTLY IT'S WEDNESDAY NIGHT BECAUSE THE WEDNESDAY NIGHT IT MIGHT BE THAT THERE'S ALREADY A WELL, YEAH, THAT'S WHEN THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATIONS MEET.
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AND WE JUST CROWD IN THIS ROOM AND HAVE THE CHAIRS STILL AVAILABLE.I'M JUST SAYING NO, CAN WE JUST CALL IT THIS ROOM? CAUSE I NEED TO KNOW WHERE I'M MEETING AT WHENEVER Y'ALL DID ANYBODY ELSE HAVE THIS ROOM AND FOR NEXT WEDNESDAY, WE'VE ALREADY AGREED TO BE AT THAT MEETING ON THE 23RD.
WELL, I MEAN, YEAH, BUT I THINK WE, I THINK YOU GOT A CHANCE TO HEAR EVERY CONCERN TONIGHT, SO WELL WE'RE OKAY.
SO IF WE AGREE TO BE TOURISM WITH THE COUNTY AT SEVEN TO WHATEVER, RIGHT.
WELL, WHAT I WILL ON THE 23RD, AT SIX WE'LL MEET HERE.
TALK ABOUT THE BUILDING CODE STUFF THEN HOPEFULLY OUT OF THE COUNTY HERE AND THEN TALK ABOUT THE MOA, UM, TO FOLLOW A SPECIAL CALL MEETING 6:00 PM PM.
AND I'M GOING TO PUT ON HERE AND TOLD THEM MY THOUGHT THAT MY EXPECTATIONS NOW I REALLY WANT TO SAY SOMETHING JUST BEFORE WE, WE JUST COMPLETELY DISBANDED FOR THE EVENING REBUILDING STUFF.
I FEEL LIKE THE SUBSIDIZING WAS THAT NOT, THAT WAS NOT READILY KNOWN WHEN THIS WHOLE PROCESS AND THIS PROCESS STARTED BEFORE YOU GOT HERE, STEVEN.
SO IT'LL JUST MAKE THAT CLEAR.
WAS THAT KNOWN THAT THE COUNTY WAS SUBSIDIZING? I FOUND OUT TODAY.
SO WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IN MY INDUSTRY, WHEN I RAISE MY RATES TO MY MEMBERS TO MEET MY COSTS, RIGHT.
THAT COSTS PEOPLE GET REALLY MAD.
WHEN I RAISE MY RATES TO MEET COSTS, IF I KEPT A NICE AND LOW THEY'D BE LIKE, OH, YOU'RE SO GREAT.
AND WHAT THE COUNTY SEEMS LIKE THEY DID IS THEY SHOULD HAVE RAISED, THEY'RE CHARGING $5 FOR SOMETHING THAT'S COMING BACK AROUND AND CHARGING US $395 WHEN WE SEND SOMEBODY TO THEM.
THERE'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF THIS.
THAT ONCE AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE, WHY HAVE YOU INJURED ME COUNTING? WHY YOU TWO TO WORK TOGETHER? AND WE WORKED THROUGH THIS PROCESS OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR TO GET WHERE WE ARE AND NOW THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
AND I JUST FEEL LIKE ONCE AGAIN, THERE'S NO GOOD FAITH AND TRUST IN SOME OF THIS RELATIONSHIP THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE.
I REALLY THINK IT'S INTERESTING HEARING THAT ONE LADY TALKING ABOUT THAT YEARS AGO, THEY TALKED ABOUT DISBANDING THE TOWN AND COUNTY, TO BE HONEST, BEFORE I GOT INVOLVED IN TOWN POLITICS AND UNDERSTANDING WHY WE HAVE A TOWN AND COUNTY GOVERNMENT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE OF MY THINGS.
WHY DO WE NEED TO GOVERNMENTS THAT DO THE SAME THING AND WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY TAXES TWICE AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.
BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S VERY GOOD REASONS WHY THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
AND UM, I JUST, I DON'T GET IT.
I JUST FEEL LIKE TIME AND TIME AGAIN, WE TRY TO COME TO THESE DISCUSSIONS AND HAVE THE NEW COUNCIL, NEW AND COUNTY SUPERVISORS.
AND WE END UP WITH THE SAME RESULT.
AND WHY IS THAT? UM, JUST SO IF WE INVITE THE COUNTY NEXT WEEK AND TODAY THEY'VE GOT WHAT WE ALL HAVE NINE DAYS TO EVEN WELL TO ADVERTISE, BUT TO GET MORE INFORMATION AND MAYBE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD, THEY HAD THAT THE COUNTY AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
SO THAT NEXT WEDNESDAY NIGHT, WE, WE MAY NOT HAVE ANSWERS, BUT WE AT LEAST HAVE POSED THE QUESTION.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO COME OUT OF THAT MEETING THE SAME WAY.
I FEEL LIKE WE CAME OUT OF THE LAST ENDING, WHICH WAS LIKE CHARGED AND READY TO TAKE ACTION ON TOURISM.
AND THEN WE'RE BACK WITH A MEMBER FROM THE, FROM THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, PROBABLY LIKE, SURE, WHY NOT? IF GEORGE CAN COME TO IT THEN GREAT.
HE DID GREAT FEEDING THEMSELVES THAT NIGHT.
I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE MORE IMPORTANT TO THEM, TO BE HONEST, I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK TO THEM.
UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY CERTAINLY LET THEM KNOW THAT NEXT WEDNESDAY.
I THINK THE COUNTY CELL BUILDING, UM, YOU KNOW, BEING PICKY COMES TO THAT TOO WELL, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS THINKING.
IF WE'RE INVITING, IF WE'RE SAYING NEXT WEDNESDAY NIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THESE ISSUES, THEN, THEN YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR, LIKE I SAID, EVERYBODY GATHER INFORMATION AND THIS WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS.
UM, BECAUSE REALLY HONESTLY, WE WERE ASKING THEM SOME QUESTIONS THAT, THAT THEY MAY, THEY DIDN'T REALLY KNOW PROBABLY.
SO ANYWAY, WELL AGAIN, LIKE AGAIN, SOME OF THIS STUFF IS THEY'RE REPRESENTING HOME BUILDERS.
WHAT ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE OUTSIDE OF THAT? THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING DEPARTMENT.
WHAT, I MEAN AS A NEW BUSINESS OWNER IS TRYING TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HAVE AN ASSOCIATION TO WORK WITH AND WE'VE HEARD AMBER, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ISSUE WITH THE, THE, GETTING THE WATER BOUND AND CLOSING A SMALL BUSINESS.
I MEAN, THERE ARE MORE VOICES OUT THERE THAT ALSO NEED TO BE REPRESENTED THAN HER.
WE'RE HEARING A VERY LOUD CROWD AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB OF REPRESENTING THEIR INTERESTS AND I DON'T DISCOUNT THEIR INTERESTS.
I THINK THEY'RE VERY IMPORTANT, BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE ALSO MISSING PART OF IT, WHICH
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IS THE REST OF IT.AND HOW DO WE GET THAT INFORMATION? HOW DO WE GET INPUT FROM THEM? NO.
UM, PEOPLE HAD TO KEEP HER HER WINDOW.
COULD I PUT UP, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD.
PUT OUT PAPER PAPER, AND JUST OPEN UP AND GO, HEY, SURPRISE A NEW BATHROOMS. YOU DID HAVE TO PAY $2,500 WATER CLOSET FEE OR, YOU KNOW, $3,000 FOR WHATEVER IT WAS.
I HAD TO PAY RIDICULOUS THINGS.
AND I SAID, WHAT IS THIS? EVEN FOR, CAUSE I'M CHANGING ONE BATHROOM INTO TWO, BUT I'M NOT EXTENDING USE IT.
SO, AND THAT WAS THE LAST THAT WAS, I THINK THAT WAS THE LAST COMMENT I MADE ON THE TOPIC WAS THAT WHEN WE SHARE CONCERNS AND WHY WE WERE AT THE POINT WHERE WE WERE AT OR WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SHARE THESE CONCERNS, WE NEED TO SHARE THE CONCERNS OF EVERYONE.
SO THIS WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY, MAYBE THE PUBLIC SWATCHING AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN SURGEONS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY CAN, YOU KNOW, GET AND KEEP IN MIND WHAT GEORGE SAID TO PUT OURSELVES IN THEIR SHOES.
YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS A LOT EASIER FROM, FROM, YOU KNOW, THE TOP A LITTLE BIT DOWN AT THE POINT OF NO RETURN AT ALL ON ANY OF THIS.
ARE WE, I MEAN, THE FACT IS WE JUST IMPLEMENTED, UNFORTUNATELY THE VERY FIRST PERMANENT, IT DIDN'T WORK OUT THE WAY IT MAYBE COULD HAVE ACTUALLY THE FIRST PERMIT DID WORK OUT FINE.
RIGHT? PROBABLY SAY WE, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M KIND OF PERPLEX RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD, WE HADN'T, I ONLY BEEN INVOLVED IN ONE ISSUE.
LET ME, IF YOU DON'T MIND, ONE ISSUE AND SOMEHOW WAS STIMULATED BECAUSE OF COMMENTS, COMMENTS ARE JUST COMMENTS OF JUST SHARING HERE'S HERE'S WHAT THE CODE AND OTHERS SOLUTIONS, THE SOIL STUDY GOT WAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM, WHERE IT WAS REQUIRED.
IT'S JUST A COMMENT THAT THE CODE DOES AS COUNCILMAN GLASSEY SAID REQUIRES IT, BUT IT DOESN'T REQUIRE IT FOR SINGLE DWELL AND IT'S COMMERCIAL AND TALENTS.
SO A LOT OF THIS, I GOT TO SIT BACK WITH STAFF AND FIGURE OUT, BUT WE'VE ISSUED LIKE 30 SOMETHING, 30, 30, 40 PERMITS.
AND SO I JUST, IN THE BIG SCHEME OF THINGS, UM, I'VE HAD ONE INCIDENT, WHICH I THINK IS PRETTY DARN GOOD.
AND AGAIN, I JUST TO THE BUILDERS, I'VE TALKED TO EVEN THE, THE FEES THAT WE'RE CHARGING PLUS THROUGH THE THIRD PARTY ARE SAYING, MAN, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY DARN CHEAP.
AND I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT.
AND I HAVE TO SHARE THAT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I WANT TO, IT IS, IT IS THE NORM IS THE TRIM.
AND THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN OFFSET IT JUST FOR EVERYONE IS SUBSIDIZING IT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT A $300,000 HOME AND YOUR TOTAL PERMIT FEES ARE GOING TO BE 15 TO 1600 TURNKEY, YOU KNOW, AND YOU ARE USED TODAY IN 500 OR SIX, I CAN SEE THE CONCERN.
UM, AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT SUBSIDIZED, CORRECT.
WELL UP 40 PERMITS FOR THE FIRST MONTH WHERE, WELL, UNDER THE 508, IT DOES ALLOW THEM SUBSIDIZED.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE WHOLE OF IT, TO BE HONEST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE SHE'S ANOTHER FEE SHEET AND IT'S THE SAME AND THEN ENDED UP WITH, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PLUMBING PLAN ROOM OR THE PLAN REVIEW PORTION OF IT.
WHEN YOU'RE PAYING FOR A PLAN REVIEW, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE NOTES OR COMMENTS.
YOU SEND THAT BACK, YOU SEND THE SHEET BACK.
BUT THE REASON THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PERMIT OR THE PLAN HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED, YOU SAID IN THE BACK TO THE ENGINEER OR THE BUILDER, THEY RECTIFY THEM.
THEY SEND THEM BACK WITH THE CORRECTED PAGES, YOU KNOW, OR THE NOTES, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE CHARGING THEM FOR PLAN REVIEW ALL OVER AGAIN.
AND I'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT AND WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.
I MEAN, AGAIN, WE WERE GOING TO MEET TO DISCUSS IT AND, UM, AND THAT MEETING, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE IT WAS AVAILABILITY.
DOES THE COUNTY EVER HAVE SECOND AND THIRD REVIEWS? AND DO THEY EVER CHARGE FOR THEM? I MEAN, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF QUESTIONS HERE AND NEVER CHARGED.
AND DO THEY EVER HAVE SECOND REVIEWS? YEAH.
SO AGAIN, NEXT WEDNESDAY, THESE COULD BE QUESTIONED, BUT I WILL MAKE US THE SUGGESTION TO US AS A GROUP.
IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LIKE YOU THREW ONE OUT YOU AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL SITTING HERE GOING, WHAT ABOUT THIS? WHAT ABOUT THIS MAY BE A GOOD IDEA FOR US TO EMAIL STEVEN, OUR QUESTIONS COPY AND PASTE THEM ALL IN ONE DOCUMENT, SEND THEM OVER TO ED.
AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE MAYBE, MAYBE
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SOMEBODY OF THERE COULD EASILY ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT WE JUST HAD.AND IF NOT, THEN ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT WE COULD ASK THEM AGAIN.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO LET HIM KNOW, AND I'LL JUST ECHO 40 PERMITS PER MONTH.
THAT'S UNDER THE 598 TOTAL THE TOWN OF 2021.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A 12 MONTH AVERAGE, THOSE WERE BUILT.
THOSE 27 OF THEM WERE NEW HOMES, 598 TOTAL PERMITS.
AND THEY'RE SUBSIDIZING AT 2,700 A MONTH.
AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY NOT TO IT.
I MEAN, 2,700 A YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO TRY NOT TO AT 480 A YEAR.
I JUST WANT TO SAY SUBSIDIZING BURBERRY.
AND I THINK I'VE SAID THIS ENOUGH TIMES, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY IT AGAIN.
I HAD RESERVATIONS WHEN THIS WHOLE THING CAME UP, SHARED MY RESERVATIONS AND YOU KNOW, SO, SO, BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, PEOPLE, PEOPLE REALLY, YOU KNOW, WE WERE HERE A LOT OF CONCERNS AND SO, BUT ANYBODY, MAYBE WE CAN ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS LIKE THE MIRA, JUST HAVE THE CHAIR, WE'D HAVE A FREEDOM MEETING THURSDAY ON THE 17TH AT 12 HILL TOWN HALL WORK SESSION.
I MEAN THE TOWN HALL CONFERENCE ROOM HERE.
UM, I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY FEEDBACK WITH THE 10 ATTORNEY PROFILE.
UH LET'S HOPE WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
AND THE SCHEDULE GO AHEAD AND ADVERTISE THAT, BUT PUSH THAT OUT.
UM, THE FYI 23 BUDGET, YOU ALL RECEIVED, UH, MY, A BUDGET RECOMMENDATION.
UM, YOU HAVE IT TO, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR FEEL LIKE WE WANT TO MEET WHEN I LAUNCH ALL MEANS LET'S BJ.
AND I KNOW I JUST, AGAIN, BJ AND ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND EVERYONE, IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME TO, TO DEAL WITH A $50 MILLION BUDGET AND NOT JUST KUDOS TO THEM FOR DOING THAT.
UM, AND THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE ON APRIL 25TH.
JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT THE ARPA FUNDS, THE RAIL TRAIL OF FUNDING GOT KICKED BACK.
SO, UH, TOMORROW AT 4:00 PM, I HAVE A MEETING.
UH, AND I THINK SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN INVITED TO THAT MEETING.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHO TO GO OVER THE PRIORITY LIST.
IT'S DETERMINED IF THE ADVISOR GROUP WANTS TO SUPPORT SOME OF THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS WE'VE HAD THE, THE, SO I JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH THAT.
UM, THE $92,000 DIDN'T GET, UH, THE SUPPORT OF NATIVE AND VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
WHAT DAY IS THE PUBLIC MEETING AGAIN ON THE BUDGET? 25TH, 25TH.
AND JUST ONE LAST THING, OR IS THERE A PLAN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN NOW AND APRIL 25TH WHERE I'M JUST AS THIS, ON OUR AGENDA TO GO OVER IT AS A WHOLE? OR ARE YOU LOOKING FOR US TO LOOK THROUGH IT OURSELVES AND PRESENT QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE DID IT LIKE IN THIS ENVIRONMENT.
I MEAN, I'VE ALREADY PROVIDED THE PRESENTATION.
I THINK MY BUDGET MESSAGE KIND OF SUMMARIZES EVERYTHING.
WE, WE, WE DIDN'T RAISE THE TAXES.
WE, YOU ALL WILL NEED TO FINALIZE THE, UH, THE TAX RATE.
UM, SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AND SUBMIT THAT.
UM, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY LEAN BUDGET.
IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS ANY BUDGET LINE ITEM, I'M OPEN TO THAT.
JUST REACH OUT TO YOU AND BJ THERE'S ANY QUESTION? OKAY.
UM, WHY DID THE ARPA FUNDS GET KICKED BACK? BECAUSE, UM, THE, THEY WOULD LIKE TO COMMIT AND OBLIGATE THOSE FUNDS SOONER BECAUSE THE INTENT OF THE OPERA PHONES WAS TO TRY TO, THERE WERE FEDERAL HANDOUTS, OR I DIDN'T EVEN SAY HANDHELD FEDERAL DOLLARS.
THAT WAS, WELL, YOU DIDN'T MISSPEAK.
UM, AND SO THEY, THEY LIKED TO SEE THOSE DOLLARS SPENT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, BECAUSE THAT PROJECT IS STILL REALLY UNKNOWN.
IT'D BE TOMS THAT REALLY COMMIT THOSE DOLLARS.
AND THEN THREE OR FOUR YEARS, THEY TAP INTO IT WHERE THEY SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN.
IT'S BEEN TOMORROW, THERE'S A MEETING AT WHAT TIME.
SO, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT GARY FRESHER, INVITED COUNCILMAN THOMPSON.
AND IT'S THE SAME LIST THAT, UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT BEFORE? WELL, MAYBE WE COULD, UH, MAYBE WE COULD, UH, TRAPPER ON THEM.
I HAVE TO PULL UP MY NOTEBOOK.
REMEMBER THE ONE THAT YOU CAME TO WITH THE ART BOOK FUNDS AND TOURISM, AND EVEN YOU SAT IN THE BACK SIDE OF THE COVER.
THE JOINT ADVISORY COMMITTEE GROUP IS MEET AGAIN TO GO OVER TO FUND
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IS THE JOINT TOURISM ADVISORY COMMITTEE TOMORROW.AND FOR BOTH OF THESE, IF THEY WERE ON THE LIST, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE INVITE I ACCEPTED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY RECEIVED IT.
WELL, THEY'RE ON THAT COMMITTEE.
LAST TIME WITH DATIA IS THE FREEDOM MEETING ONLINE, ANYWHERE THAT GOING TO BE ON HIS THEM ARE PUBLIC ON OUR SYSTEM HERE.
UM, GETTING UP WITH GRANT WE'D NORMALLY DON'T TO HERE TOMORROW TO MEETINGS AT NOON, MARCH 3RD.
THAT'S THE ARPA FUND? THE JOINT TOURISM COMMITTEE MEETING.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE ARPA PHONES AT 4:00 PM TOMORROW? THAT IS A ZOOM.
WE CAN, I WANT TO SAY BETHANY SENT INVITES OUT TO EVERYONE ALREADY OR, OR ALYSSA, IF Y'ALL ARE IT'S PART OF THAT GROUP THAT THEY SENT OUT.
LET ME CHECK TO SEE IF Y'ALL HAVE THAT.
MIGHT'VE BEEN SOMEBODY SENDING IT TO US RIGHT NOW THAT YOU START SAYING NO TO A LOT OF STUFF.
SO THEY DID BUY, IT, WENT OUT TO CARRY.
IT WENT FROM ALYSSA PERRY, BETHANY TERRAN, JOE PETTY, LISA LATASHA UP AND SCOTT TURNED MINER.
SO THAT'S WHO THEY INVITED US, WENT OUT TO.
AND IT WAS SENT BY UNLESS I CAN AFFORD IT TO YOU ALL, IF YOU LIKE, LET'S TRY NOT TO YONDER FOR THAT TO YOU.
IF WE DON'T SEE EACH OTHER BEFORE, WE'LL SEE EACH OTHER NEXT WEDNESDAY NIGHT, 6:00 PM.
THIS ROOM 23RD, THIS ROOM 23RD.
AND IF ANYBODY THINKS ABOUT IT, SEND THE TEXTS OUT THAT MORNING JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE.