[Special Town Council Work Session on January 20, 2022.]
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SO THANK YOU EVERYBODY.I JUST WANT TO WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE TOWN COUNCIL, SPECIAL, SPECIAL WORK SESSION FOR THURSDAY, JANUARY 20TH, 2022.
UM, AND BEFORE WE START, I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS JOINING US VIA PHENTERMINE AND THE MIRROR.
UM, I'M ENTERTAINING EMOTION, MRS. VICE MAYOR, AND MOVED TO TOWN.
COUNCIL CONVENED A CLOSED MEETING FOR SWAYING PERSUADED.
THE SECTION 2.2 DASH 37, 11 AND 2.2 DASH 37, 12 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE PERSUADED THE SECTION 2.2 37 11.
ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, THE ASSIGNMENT APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION SALARIES, DISCIPLINING, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICER'S APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF A PUBLIC BODY, SPECIFICALLY MEMBERS OF THE TOWN, BOARD OF ZONING AND APPEALS AND THE TOWN LOCAL BUILDING CODE OF APPEALS AND THE TOWN JOINT TOURISM COMMITTEE.
DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY.
I BELIEVE WE WILL NOW GO INTO CLOSE ME.
CAN SHE HEAR ME AND COUNCILMAN THOMPSON? YES.
I MOVE THAT COUNCIL CERTIFIED THAT'S THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE AS RECOGNIZED BY EACH COUNCIL MEMBERS AFFIRMATIVE VOTE THAT ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS, LAWFULLY EXEMPTED OPEN MOVING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETINGS WAS CONVENIENT, WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE CLOSED MEETING BY COUNCIL AND THAT THE BOAT AND EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF COUNCIL BE TAKEN BY ROLL CALL AND RECORDED AND INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF TOWN COUNCIL.
COUNCILMAN GILLESPIE, LLOYD COUNCIL AND MCMORRIS.
AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO TAKE A QUICK TWO MINUTE, VERY QUICK RESTROOM BREAK, AND THEN WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
CALL YOU BACK COUNCILMAN WARS.
SO TONIGHT AS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT THE COMP PLAN UPDATE MS. WARD AND GO OVER THE CODING.
I HAVEN'T REALLY PUT TOGETHER A FORMAL PRESENTATION MORRISON.
GEORGE, LET ME GIVE YOU YOUR NUMBER.
JUST WANT TO SHUT THE DOOR, BUT WHEN WE CAN, MAYBE MR. X CAN CHECK.
HELLO? YEAH, YOU GOT ALL YOUR COFFIN DONE WITH NOW.
SO THIS IS JUST A, KIND OF AN INFORMAL UPDATE TO WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE COMP PLAN.
UM, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT IS BASICALLY ALL THE EMPIRICAL DATA THAT IT'S GOING TO GO INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE INCLUDED AS A SEPARATE CHAPTER.
THIS IS ESSENTIALLY GOING TO BE BROKEN DOWN AND JUST RELEASE THROUGHOUT THE PLAN, BUT THEY'VE KIND OF PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER FOR US TO JUST KIND OF REVIEW AND PLANNING COMMISSION IS GOING TO HAVE A WORK SESSION NEXT MONTH, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO KIND OF BE DIGGING INTO THIS REPORTING.
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UM, I WAS JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU THE OVERVIEW OF SOME OF THE DATA THAT STOOD OUT.SO FOR THE DEMOGRAPHIC DATA, SO THAT'S YOUR POPULATION, UM, EDUCATION, UM, AND THE NEXT 20 YEARS WE'RE LOOKING AT NEEDING APPROXIMATELY 2200 NEW HOMES TO ACCOMMODATE THE GROWING POPULATION.
95% OF THE PEOPLE LIVING IN FRONT ROYAL WERE BORN IN THE UNITED STATES.
UM, 24% OF THE HOMES HERE IN TOWN ARE MULTIFAMILY UNITS ARE EITHER ATTACHED OR DETACHED DWELLING.
AND 10% OF THE HOUSES WERE BUILT BEFORE 1939.
SO THAT'S OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, AND THEN WE'VE GOT ABOUT 44% OF THEM WERE BUILT BETWEEN 1939 AND 1959.
SO A LARGE PORTION OF THE HOMES IN PER RURAL ARE OLDER.
AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE POVERTY RATE, WE HAVE A 16.5% POVERTY RATE IN TOWN, WHICH IS HIGHER THAN VIRGINIA AND THE NATIONAL AVERAGE, BUT WHAT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN VIRGINIA AND THE UNITED STATES AS A WHOLE IS THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE AN EVEN DISTRIBUTION POVERTY BETWEEN THE RACES HERE IN TOWN.
AND WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT SOME OF THE ECONOMIC DATA, THE HOSPITAL AND VALLEY HEALTH IS THE LARGEST EMPLOYER.
UM, AND THEN YOU BOUGHT MARTIN'S THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY ORGANIZATIONS, AND THEN RURAL KING, I THINK THOSE ARE THE TOP FIVE.
UM, AND WE ARE DEFINITELY A BEDROOM COMMUNITY.
63% OF THE POPULATION WORKS OUTSIDE OF TOWN AND A QUARTER OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE COMMUTE MORE THAN AN HOUR.
AND THEN ONE OF THE, UM, REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE CODE IS THAT THERE'S A CHAPTER IN PROVISION FOR BROADBAND ACCESS AND THAT DATA COMES FROM THE FCC.
SO THERE'S A NEW PROVIDER IN TOWN, GLOW FIBER THAT HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED YET WITH THE SEC.
SO THAT'S NOT IN YOUR REPORT, BUT I MEAN, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T YOU HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T, I DON'T, I EMAILED YOU EARLIER TO, I DON'T HAVE IT, BUT I DID, BUT THAT'S WHY I ASKED WHY IT WASN'T ON THERE.
AND AS I SHARED WITH YOU, I I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT IT ACTUALLY HAVING BROADBAND, HAVING A FIBER OPTIC CABLE AS AN OPTION ACTUALLY IMPROVES YOUR PROPERTY VALUES BECAUSE PEOPLE FROM WORKING FROM HOME AND BUSINESSES AND STUFF THAT, THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY FASTER IN LESS INTERRUPTION IS WHAT THEY SAID.
AND THERE'S ALSO A CORRELATION BETWEEN ACCESS TO BROADBAND INTERNET AND THEN EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT.
SO I THINK ONE OF THE, UM, STATISTICS IN THERE SHOWED THAT SOME OF THE MINORITY POPULATION IN TOWN DON'T HAVE AS MUCH ACCESS TO BROADBAND THAT WHITE POPULATION.
AND, UM, THAT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY NEED TO ADDRESS IN PLAN.
AND THEN FROM THE GEOGRAPHIC STANDPOINT, THEY'VE PROVIDED SEVERAL MAPS.
UM, BUT I THINK THE BIG TAKEAWAY HERE IS AT 43% OF THE LAND DEVELOPED IN TOWN.
AND WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY GET ABOUT 20% OF THAT FOR STEEP SLOPE FLOODPLAIN, AND THERE'S GOT 900 OR ALMOST A THOUSAND ACRES THAT ARE JUST NOT DEVELOPABLE IN TOWN.
I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I WILL ADMIT THAT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A DATA NERD OR A STATISTIC NERD.
AND I FOUND THIS REALLY INTERESTING, UM, AND I'LL, AND IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT WHEN PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT, BUT, BUT THERE WERE SOME OVERWHELMING THINGS THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST CONCERNED ME, DEFINITELY THE POVERTY LEVEL, UM, THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
AND JUST EVEN, I THINK THE ONES PAYING THAT, THAT THE BIGGEST STATEMENT THAT I SAW IN THERE THAT KIND OF JUST GAVE ME PAUSE WAS IS THAT OUR HOUSING THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY PRICE OURSELVES PRAY.
IT WOULD BE PRICED OUT AND ONLY HIGHER INCOME JOBS WILL BE ABLE TO AFFORD HOUSING IN THE FUTURE.
AND THAT JUST REALLY CONCERNED ME, YOU KNOW, AS, AS, AS A NEW TEACHER, I WOULD HAVE BEEN ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT COULD HAVE NOT AFFORDED, COULD NOT HAVE AFFORDED A HOME.
SO I JUST, I, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK IT SAID OUR MEDIAN INCOME WAS LIKE 55,000.
AND SO YOU CAN AFFORD A COMFORTABLY AFFORD A HOUSE.
THAT'S WHAT AROUND TWO 11 AND TWO 20 RANGE.
UM, BUT THAT'S, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER DEBT, RIGHT.
THE OTHER BILLS THAT THEY WERE ALSO SAYING THAT TOO, AND IN THESE STATS WERE TALKING ABOUT
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THAT THERE'S A LOT OF RETIRED PEOPLE THAT WOULD COME TO THIS AREA WHO COULD AFFORD THOSE HOMES.BUT AGAIN, THAT KIND OF TAKES AWAY SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHERS.
ANYWAY, IT WAS GOOD INFORMATION AND THIS WOULD BE PART OF OUR COMP PLAN, RIGHT? YEAH.
I THINK, UM, THE THING THAT STOOD OUT TO ME OR IT'S LIKE THE MEDIAN AGE IS 39 AND A HALF WHILE WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT IT'S MORE, OUR POPULATION IS AGING, BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT OLD.
RIGHT? LIKE DON'T TELL ME I'M OLD .
AND I THINK THAT WE REALLY, IT NEEDS TO BE DRILLED INTO OUR HEAD, BUT 16.5% OF OUR POPULATION LIVES IN POVERTY, WHICH IS NOT LIKE JUST A LOW INCOME, LIKE WE'RE TALKING POVERTY WHERE THEY'RE PROBABLY MAKING, I THINK FOR THE POVERTY LEVEL, ISN'T IT LIKE LESS THAN 16,000 A YEAR.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE EXACT NUMBER IS.
AND EVEN IF THE 16,000 AND A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU WON'T QUALIFY FOR SOCIAL SERVICES AND STUFF.
SO, YOU KNOW, I TAKE A LOT TO THAT BECAUSE I'M ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT THE POOR POPULATION AND IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE REALLY TRULY HAVE POOR PEOPLE, BUT WE, WE DEFINITELY DO 16.5% IS A HUGE NUMBER, A HUGE NUMBER.
AND IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW MANY OF THEM HAVE KIDS AND HOW MANY KIDS ARE LIVING IN THAT, IN THAT POVERTY LEVEL TOO.
OR THE ALICE POPULATION IS THOSE THAT ARE JUST MAYBE A HUNDRED DOLLARS OVER THE MAXIMUM INCOME.
YOU CAN HAVE TO GET TOTAL SERVICES.
THEY DON'T GET THE CONSULTANTS.
THEY DON'T GET THAT IN HEALTH INSURANCE, BUT YEAH, THAT'S EYE OPENING.
EMPLOYMENT WAS THAT FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES ON THOSE LISTS OR PART-TIME EMPLOYEES WHEN QUALIFIED THAT I WAS SURPRISED.
AND I THINK WHAT YOU USED TO WORK THERE, 1770 EMPLOYEES.
BUT, BUT YOU GOT TO FIGURE, WELL, MAN, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO IT, BUT YOU GOT TO FIGURE, CAUSE I DID WORK ON THE BIKE.
YOU HAVE PEOPLE DURING THE DAY, THEY WERE PREPPING THINGS FOR LATER AND THEN DIFFERENT SHIFTS AND STUFF.
THERE WERE, THERE WERE A FEW EMPLOYMENT THINGS THAT I WAS LIKE, WOW, THAT MANY PEOPLE WORK.
IT'S HIS 70, THE OTHER ONE IS 52 AND THEN BURGER KING BURGER HEALING HERE.
AND WHEN THEY'RE HIRING ALL THE TIME, ON THE OTHER END IS CONSIDERATE IN TOWN, RIGHT BY THE SHELL STATION AS WELL TO YOU DOWN THIS LIST OF EMPLOYMENT AND NEW ARE NUMBER ONE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THANK GOD WE HAVE THAT.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE GOT WORK DO.
AND I ALSO SENT YOU AND I KNOW IT'S IN YOUR EMAILS.
I DIDN'T GET IT TILL ABOUT FOUR 30 TODAY, BUT, UM, THE SURVEY IS STILL OPEN, BUT I SENT, Y'ALL A REPORT THAT SUMMIT RAN FOR US THIS AFTERNOON.
AND YOU CAN KIND OF START TO BROWSE THROUGH THAT DATA.
AND THE WAY THE WRITTEN RESPONSES WORK IS THAT AS PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY READ THESE AND THEY LIKE THEM, IT PUTS THE TOP RESPONSES AND FEEDBACK TO THE TOP.
SO IN THAT REPORT, YOU'LL SEE LIKE THE TOP THREE TO FIVE RESPONSES THERE.
AND A LOT OF THEM, I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF REDUNDANT, BUT THEY SAY THE SAME THINGS.
LIKE WE WANT RESPONSIBLE GROWTH.
UM, THEY WANT IT TO BE ATTRACTIVE.
THEY TALKED ABOUT NOT WANTING VAPE SHOPS OR HOTELS.
I FOUND IT INTERESTING WHEN YOU TOOK THE SURVEY, YOU COULD ACTUALLY SEE THE RESULTS WHEN YOU WERE DONE TAKING IT.
SO LIKE, THAT'S WHY I KNEW WHAT SOME OF THEM WERE BECAUSE I HAD TAKEN ONE OTHER THING I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS FOR PEOPLE THAT THAT WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THIS.
YOU CAN SEE IT NOW, BUT I FOUND THIS VERY INTERESTING THAT FOR IN 2010, 41% WERE RENTER OCCUPIED AND THEN 2000, 1940 4%.
SO IT ONLY GREW BY 3%, BUT THEN I MEANS HOME OWNERSHIP, WHICH IS INTERESTING.
I MEAN, TO THINK THAT HOME OWNERSHIP IN OUR TOWN IS 57% DOES THAT, I DON'T KNOW, 57 IN 2019, WE ACTUALLY WENT DOWN FROM 2008, DECREASED RENTALS WENT UP AND THEN YOUR POVERTY RATE WENT UP ABOUT 3%.
AND THAT, YEAH, I JUST AM SAYING TO THINK THAT NOT EVEN 60% OF PEOPLE LIVING IN THE TOWN THEY'RE RENTING, AND THAT WAS ANOTHER THING THAT CAME UP ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JUST NOT HAVING A FOR RENTAL PROPERTIES.
SO I DON'T THINK I GOT MY QUESTION ANSWERED.
SO THE LIST OF EMPLOYEES THAT PART-TIME, OR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES IMPORTANT DATA, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY SAYS, I'M THE NUMBER ONE EMPLOYER IN THE, IN THE COUNTY, AND THEN THEY USE THAT TO KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW, GET THEIR WAY IN SOME WAYS, SOMETIMES I'D LOVE TO KNOW IF THAT'S PART-TIME FULL-TIME WHAT DOES THAT CONSTITUTE IS THAT NUMBER AGAIN? I HAVE A LOT OF PART-TIME EMPLOYEES AT MY BUSINESS, BUT I MEAN, I THINK I HAVE OVER 20 OF THEM ON THIS LIST BECAUSE I DIDN'T FILL OUT THE SURVEY.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE NOT COLLECTING ALL THE DATA
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AND, BUT THEY'RE ALL PART-TIME.SO I WOULDN'T SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STILL EMPLOYING PEOPLE.
I KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW.
FULL-TIME PART-TIME WHAT DOES THAT, WHAT DOES THIS NUMBER MEAN? IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT BREAKOUT IS? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THEY COULD BE EMPLOYED IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES OR THREE DIFFERENT PLACES OR WHATEVER IT IS.
IT COULD BE A STAT ON TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
YOU, IF YOU WERE PART-TIME THEY WERE OKAY IN PART-TIME MCDONALD'S I'M CURIOUS, IS THIS DATA ACTUALLY TELLING US WHAT WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO KNOW? I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT EMPLOYMENT BECAUSE I AM REALLY INTERESTED IN HOW WE CREATE MORE JOBS WITHIN AND LIVABLE WAGE JOBS WITHIN, FOR A WHILE, IN ORDER TO SEE HOW PEOPLE BE ABLE TO LIVE HERE, WORK HERE AND STAY HERE INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO SOMEPLACE ELSE TO GET A JOB, RIGHT.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE ONLY A VETERAN COMMUNITY.
WE WANT TO HAVE JOBS HERE THAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE FULL TIME JOBS HERE, BUT IF THEY'RE ONLY PART-TIME WORK, THAT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE.
AND THIS IS CENSUS DATA FROM TWO YEARS AGO.
RIGHT? SO FOR 2019, 2021, AND IT SAYS IT'S THREE, UH, ESRA BUSINESS ANALYST, 2021.
SO I WASN'T SURE WHEN THIS WAS FROM CENSUS DATA WAS FROM 2008, IS THE, UM, THEY DO ARC MAPS.
THEY DO ALL THE, YEAH, IT WAS EMPLOYMENT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERENCING.
AND EVEN AS JOE'S STEAK CLOSED, CLOSE 2021.
PLANNING COMMISSION HAD SOME OF THE SAME QUESTIONS.
SO I'M COMPILING ALL THAT STUFF.
I'M GOING TO EMAIL SUMMIT AND I CAN SEND YOU AN EMAIL.
IT'S JUST HARD TO WORK OFF WITH DATA.
THAT'S LIKE TWO YEARS OLD WHEN A LOT CHANGED IN THE PAST TWO YEARS.
RIGHT? ESPECIALLY THE, COVID A LOT OF HOW PEOPLE WORK.
IF THEY'RE NOT COMMUTING ANYMORE, LIKE THEY'VE GOT FULL-TIME TELEWORK.
I KNOW NEW MEMBERS OF MY GYM ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE MOVED OUT HERE BECAUSE THEY CAN, THEY CAN BASICALLY TELL HUMANS TO DC.
AND SO THEY LIVE WORK AND EVERYTHING YOU'RE TELLING ME THEIR OFFICES IN ARLINGTON DC OR WHATEVER, BUT THERE, THIS IS WHERE THEY ARE NOW.
SO ALL THEIR MONEY'S BEING SPENT HERE AND EVERYTHING'S COMING BACK HERE, WHICH IS GOOD TO KNOW.
IT WAS 2019 WAS WHEN THEY COLLECTED THE CENSUS DATA, I WOULD NORMALLY TWO YEARS WOULD MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
BUT I THINK IN THE LAST TWO YEARS IN OUR AREA, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW? SO ANYWAY, PROBABLY POVERTY'S A HUNDRED NEW HOME FOR NEXT 10 YEARS, 10 YEARS FOR THE GROWTH.
CAUSE UH, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S NO THERE'S REALLY NO REAL ESTATE OUT THERE, RIGHT? FOR SALE.
THERE'S NO INVENTORY DOES ANYBODY KNOW ABOUT LAND, BUT THERE'S NO LIKE THERE'S NO HOUSES THAT UNLESS AN OWNER WANTS TO SELL, THERE'S LIKE NO NEW HOMES FOR SALE.
NOW INVENTORY WISE RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE NOT A REALTOR.
I'M JUST ASKING LIKE, YOU KNOW, NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT I MEAN, THERE ARE POTENTIAL PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING DOWN THE PIPE AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THE FORM OF REZONINGS PROFFERS IS GOING TO BE A LOT.
UM, SO THERE ARE PROJECTS COMING.
SO WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO MEET THAT NEED.
I MEAN, AGAIN, I KNOW SOME FOLKS DON'T WANT TO SEE A LOT OF GROWTH, BUT ALSO PLANNED GROWTH AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING IN ORDER TO MEET THAT GROWTH.
AND YOU KNOW, IF THE UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY IN TOWN IS DEVELOPED NEWARK IT, UM, I THINK YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO GET PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER OR FOR, OR COUNCIL CAN DECIDE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.
YOU ASKED US A PROJECTED NUMBER OR YOU ALL CAN DECIDE AND MORE BECOME A BEDROOM COMMUNITY OR IN CERTAIN AREAS WITH POTENTIAL RESIDENTIAL TARGET THAT FOR BUSINESSES, JOBS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE THE DATA TELLS US 2200, I THINK WE NEED WORKFORCE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS THAT, THAT WE DON'T CONTINUE TO DEVELOP HOUSING WHERE WE BECOME A BEDROOM COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF TRYING TO, I THINK, 60, WHAT WAS IT? 60, 65% COMMUTE.
WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER? IT'S SEVEN 67%.
THAT'S PRETTY HIGH NUMBER, YOU KNOW? AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE NICE IF WE TRY TO BRING THE, YOU HAVE THE NUMBER OF THE NEW STARTS SO FAR LAST YEAR AND, AND HERE IN TOWN, AS FAR AS HOUSING, I MEAN, AS FAR AS NUMBER OF NEW HOUSING DWELLING UNITS THAT WERE BUILT, I KNOW THE COUNTY ISSUED LIKE 172 PERMITS ON OUR BEHALF FOR, UM, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND I BELIEVE 70 OR SO OF THOSE WERE SINGLE FAMILY.
USUALLY IT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS GIVEN TO PLANNING COMMISSION TO EVERY MONTH.
THAT'S A REPORT FROM THE PLANNING DIRECTOR.
I THINK CONNIE IS ACTUALLY WORKING ON THOSE REPORTS.
WE'RE PLANNING, COMMISSIONING OF THE ANNUAL REPORT.
I CAN ALWAYS GIVE YOU ALL A COPY OF THAT ANNUAL REPORT.
THEY'LL GIVE YOU A PERMIT BREAKDOWN OF EVERYTHING.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE TO US LIKE, UH,
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EACH, EACH MONTH THAT OUR REGULAR SESSION, OR JUST AFTERWARDS, I JUST WOULD, I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING THAT.I ALWAYS SEND THAT WITH, I DON'T PROVIDE THEM A PERMIT REPORT EACH TIME WE NEED, UM, THAT'S REQUIRED BY STATE CODE ONCE A YEAR.
UM, WE LET US GET OUR SYSTEMS IN PLACE.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, OUR SYSTEMS ARE BROKEN TO GAIN THAT INFORMATION, BUT WE'LL WORK WITH YOU AND TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING IT'S JUST HAVING, LIKE HOW MANY PERMANENTS WERE SUBMITTED OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR COMPARATIVE TO LAST YEAR AT THIS TIME, ARE WE ON TRACK TO HAVING THE SAME NUMBER OF PERMITS SUBMITTED FOR THIS, THIS AND THIS? AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY USEFUL WHEN I WAS ON AND OUR NEW SYSTEM WILL ACTUALLY, THEY CAN GENERATE THOSE REPORTS IN SECONDS FOR US, BUT WE'RE STILL SETTING UP THAT'S SOMETHING, AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE SIP, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT 30 YEARS AND EVERYTHING THAT IT'D BE GOOD TO KNOW KIND OF WHAT ARE WE TRENDING? WHERE ARE WE TRENDING? WHAT'S THE DIRECTION OF APPLIED? ABSOLUTELY.
THE SURVEY, IS THAT PUBLICLY AVAILABLE OR WILL IT BE, IT WE'LL BE SO WE'RE NOT SURVEY CLOSES.
UM, ALL OF THAT DATA IS ON THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WEBSITE.
SO YOU'VE GOT THAT INTERACTIVE MAPS.
THERE'S A NEW VISIONING EXERCISE WHERE PEOPLE IN TOWN, OR, UM, JUST WRITE A VISION STATEMENT OF WHAT YOU THINK YOU WANT FRONT ROW TO BE IN THE NEXT 20 TO 30 YEARS.
UM, AND THEN THAT SURVEY ALL THE DATA, THEY'LL COMPILE A FINAL REPORT AND IT'LL BE ADDED TO IT.
SO SINCE NEXT MONDAY AS OUR REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING AND WE STILL HAVE ONE WEEK LEFT BEFORE THE SURVEY CLOSES, COULD WE MAKE SURE THAT WE MAYBE JUST ADD, JUST ADD AN ITEM TO THE AGENDA AND LET LAUREN STAND UP AND SPEAK ABOUT HER OR ONE OF US SPEAK ABOUT IT AGAIN? I JUST FEEL LIKE WE, I JUST FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, CHRISTMAS HAPPENED, THE HOLIDAYS HAPPEN AND PEOPLE GET, YOU KNOW, I JUST HOPE WE CAN, WE HAVE AT LEAST 972 PEOPLE, OR WHAT WAS IT? I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THIS, OUR TARGET GOAL OF TOTAL PARTICIPATION WAS AT 10%.
SO ABOUT 1500 PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY CIRCLE.
WE'VE HAD IT SOMETHING LIKE 900 RESPONSES AND 9 72 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND I THINK 219 PEOPLE, UH, HAVE SIGNED UP AND PROVIDED CONTACT INFORMATION, EMAIL ADDRESSES SO THAT WE CAN NOTIFY THEM OF PUBLIC EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE ARE, WE ARE GETTING REALLY GOOD PARTICIPATION TYPICALLY IN PLANNING PROCESS.
IF YOU GET THREE TO 4% OF THE POPULATION YOU'RE DOING GREAT.
SO MAYBE ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE, CAN WE PUT A LINK AGAIN? JUST PUT ONE MORE LINK OUT THERE TO SAY, HEY AGAIN, BUT WE PAID TO HAVE IT, THE COMP PLAN LINK AT THE TOP OF THE POST.
SO IF YOU GO TO THE TOWN, UH, FACEBOOK PAGE, AS YOU SCROLL DOWN THAT COMP PLAN LINK SHOULD STILL BE UP AT THE TOP.
I'M JUST SAYING, THROWING IT BACK OUT THERE, PUTS IT IN EVERYBODY'S FEED AGAIN AND I'LL SHARE IT AGAIN AND LET'S PUT IT ON THE PUBLIC BROADCAST STATION TOO.
AND LAST FLUSH AND MAYBE SOMETHING MONDAY.
DID WE DO LIKE A RADIO AD AT ALL? I REMEMBER WE HAD EMAILED THEM BACK IN DECEMBER.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY, THE RADIO, WE HAVE A OPPORTUNITY.
SO YEAH, WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT.
SO NUMBER THREE IS ALSO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHAPTER ON 48 SUBDIVISION AND LAND DEVELOPMENT, PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENTS.
AND THIS TEXT AMENDMENT WAS FROM A RESOLUTION THAT I THINK WAS SIGNED LAST YEAR, APRIL TO REMOVE PLANNING COMMISSION OUT OF SOME, THE PLAN REVIEW PROCESSES AND STREAMLINE THE PROCESS.
UM, AFTER CONSULTING WITH, UH, JIM PROMO, UM, WE WENT THROUGH SECTIONS OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, ANY PLACE WHERE IT HAD PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW, THE COUNCIL REVIEW WAS REMOVED BECAUSE THERE'S NO STATE BASIS FOR PLANNING COMMISSION OR EVEN COUNCIL IN THAT REGARD TO REVIEW THESE PLANS.
SO THE WAY THIS'LL WORK IS YOU'VE SHAVED OFF ABOUT MONTH AND A HALF, TWO MONTHS IN THE PROCESS, THEY CAN SUBMIT EVERYTHING TO MY DEPARTMENT AS ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND PLANNING DIRECTOR.
UM, AND IT JUST STREAMLINES IT.
THE ONE REASON WE WENT HERE IS, IS IT CREATES CONFLICT AMONG THE PLANNING DIRECTOR OR STAFF, AND THEN ALSO THE GOVERNING BODY AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS, STAFF IS THE EXPERT.
THIS IS A SITE PLAN TO MAKE SURE YOU'VE GOT THE PROPER ROAD, THE LAYOUT, THE TREES AND STUFF.
UH, AND SO IT JUST CREATED A LOT OF, UH, DIFFERENCE OF OPINION BECAUSE WE HAD STANDARDS OR WE'LL HAVE STANDARDS ON WHAT WE EXPECT.
THE OTHER THING, ONE OF THE COUNCIL GUIDANCE IS THAT US
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TO BRING FORWARD EACH TIME OF WHAT THE STATE CODE REQUIRES, COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION TO REVIEW OR APPROVE.AND THOSE THAT ARE IN THERE BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASON, COUNCIL WILL NEED TO DECIDE.
IF YOU WANT TO ALLOW ADMINISTRATIVE TO TAKE OVER THOSE ROLES VERSUS ALWAYS BRINGING STUFF TO COUNCIL AND FOR US TO KIND OF MOVE FORWARD AND PREPARE FOR GROWTH OR CHANGING THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS, IT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT THAT WE TRY TO RELY ON PROFESSIONAL STAFF TO DO MOST OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS INSTEAD OF CREATING A BUREAUCRACY WHERE IT HAS TO ALWAYS GET APPROVAL BY TC OR COUNCIL, BUT WE WILL ONLY BE, UH, BRINGING FORWARD TO YOU ALL, ANY CHANGES, TEXT AMENDMENTS, OR WHATEVER THAT THE STATE CODE ALLOWS US TO DO IT.
I JUST THINK IT'S GOOD THAT WE BRING IT TO Y'ALL'S ATTENTION.
UH, HOW DOES EVERYBODY FEEL ABOUT THAT? CAUSE I THINK TO ME, OKAY, AND RESERVATIONS OUT THING.
DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT AN HOUR OR DO WE WANT TO BRING IT BACK OR CAN YOU REMIND ME WHY IT WAS CHANGED LAST APRIL PLEASE? BECAUSE, UM, AGAIN, COUNCIL HAD A DISCUSSION OF WHY PLANNING COMMISSION AND EVEN COUNCIL IS INVOLVED AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL, MAJOR SITE PLAN RIGHT NOW, MINOR SITE PLAN STAFF DOES IT, BUT MAJOR SITE PLAN, UH, PC AND COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE.
WE'RE ONE OF THE VERY FEW JURISDICTIONS WHERE, WHERE IT'S LIKE THIS.
I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S ONLY MAYBE THREE OR FOUR CAN ANYBODY THAT WAS ON COUNCIL DURING THIS PERIOD.
EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE REASON FOR THE CHANGE WAS.
I DON'T THINK THE IDEA WAS TO CUT DOWN ON BUREAUCRACY.
IT SOUNDED LIKE, AND ALSO USING THE KNOWLEDGE OF OUR STAFF IN THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR EDUCATION HAS KNOWLEDGE.
I, I, AS I RECALL, DO WE KNOW THE HISTORY OF WHY, WHY IT'S IN THERE? I THINK THAT WOULD ALSO HELP US TO, IS THERE ANY CONCERN ON COUNCIL? AND THAT WAS PROBABLY ADOPTED WHEN PEOPLE WERE VERY MUCH ANTI-GROWTH AND SO IMPORTANT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO THEY WANTED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF EXTRA CONTROL TO BE ABLE TO LIKE SAY NO TO SOMETHING, EVEN IF IT WAS TECHNICALLY OKAY BY ALL STANDARDS.
I DIDN'T LOVE WAS LIKE WHERE THE ORDINANCE WAS PRETTY OLD THERE.
YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE HAD STAFF THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT AND HAVE SMALL JURISDICTIONS WHERE YOU HAVE MAYBE FIVE STAFF.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN HAPPEN AND DOES, BUT IN A JURISDICTION WHERE YOU'VE GOT A FULL DEPARTMENT, IT'S NOT INVESTED, I WANT TO LOOK UP.
AND OF COURSE I WANT TO LOOK UP, LOOK UP THE STATEMENT THAT WE RECEIVED IN GO BACK OVER CURVES.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF IT STILL FEELS LIKE I'M MISSING SOMETHING HERE ON THIS.
WE CAN PROVIDE YOU THE MINUTES AS WELL AS, UH, I WILL, I WILL ALSO PROVIDE YOU THE LINK SO YOU CAN LISTEN TO THE CONVERSATION, UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO SELL OR STAB ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS.
SOME OF WHAT WAS IN THE RESOLUTION.
I DIDN'T CHANGE BECAUSE AS AN ENTITY, WE ARE PAYING SUMMIT TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE REWRITE OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
SO SOME OF THE CHANGES WHERE IT WAS RECOMMENDED MOVING SOME OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS OR STANDARDS, OR SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING STUFF INTO 1 75, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO WHEN AND JUNE IS WHEN WE START THE COMPREHENSIVE REWRITE OF THESE ORDINANCES.
SO BY THE TIME YOU WOULD GET THIS TEXT AMENDMENT PASSED, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THREE MONTHS AND THEN WE START A NEW PROCESS TO REWRITE EVERYTHING.
SO THE, SO WHAT WAS IN HERE WAS THAT, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDED FORWARDING THE TEXT AMENDMENTS FOR, TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY 24TH.
I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE READY FOR THAT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WAS THAT WHAT, WHAT'S THE CONSENSUS FOR EVERYBODY? CAUSE IF IT WAS THERE, UM, WAS THERE, I'M CURIOUS, WAS THERE A REASON TO TRY TO MAKE SURE IT GOT ON THERE JANUARY 24TH OR IS THE IDEA THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE IT THERE JANUARY 24TH, IT WON'T MAKE IT BACK TO THEM UNTIL FEBRUARY FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, WHAT HAPPENS
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ON THE 24TH? YOU ALL WILL JUST VOTE TO TAKE IT BACK TO PC.SO THE PROCESS OF THEY'LL BE IN A BALL AND REVIEW AND IT, AND THEY WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL THAT COULD BE THERE FEBRUARY OR MARCH.
ALL YOU DO IS YOU REFER IT BACK TO PLAYING THE COMMISSION SO THEY CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU.
SO DO WE WANT TO ADD IT TO THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONDAY? OR WOULD YOU PREFER TO WAIT UNTIL FEBRUARY? I JUST WANT TO DO SOME MORE RESEARCH ABOUT WHAT THE ENTAILS OF THIS WAS.
I JUST, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO REALLY GO THROUGH IT AND RESEARCH.
SO, SO IF WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY NIGHT AND WE I'M ASKING, BECAUSE I'M WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M, IF WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY NIGHT AND IN THE DISCUSSION ON MONDAY NIGHT, WE DECIDE THAT WE'RE NOT READY TO SEND IT TO PC.
IS THAT CORRECT? AM I CORRECT? OR WE CAN TAKE NO ACTION ON IT.
IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY THEN AND GIVE US, BUT THIS MAY BE THE TIME IF THERE'S CONSENSUS, GIVE US GUIDANCE ON WHEN YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO BRING IT BACK.
BUT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WOULD IS THIS, THIS, THIS WAS SOMETHING COUNCIL ASKED, DIRECTED THE TOWN MANAGER TO DO.
SO IF YOU WANT TO PAUSE, UH, LAUREN MENTIONED THAT WE WILL BE UPDATING, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND SUBDIVISION ORDERS.
DO YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THAT PROCESS STARTS? BUT IN THE MEANTIME, UH, IT, IT STILL WILL REQUIRE, UH, EITHER THE PRIVATE SECTOR OR DEVELOPERS OR ANYONE, UH, ADDITIONAL PROCESS AND STEPS.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS SITE PLAN REVIEW, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY THING THAT REQUIRES THE REZONING STP OR ANY OF THIS, THIS MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, CURBING GOD OR HOW THE BUILDING AND HOW THE FENCE IS, HOW THE TREES ARE THAT'S THAT'S THAT? UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO DO ANYTHING.
THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL ASKED US TO LOOK AT AND WE PASS THE RESOLUTION AND, UM, JUST GIVE US GUIDANCE OF WHAT YOU WOULD ALL LIKE US TO DO THURSDAY.
SO I'M JUST THINKING THAT WE HAD, IF WE HAD ANY QUESTIONS, WE WOULD HAVE FRIDAY AND MONDAY TO ASK STAFF IF WE HAD ANY QUESTIONS, BUT IF YOU THINK WE NEED MORE TIME, UM, I, I JUST, I JUST WANNA PUT, OH, NO, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.
JUST PULLED UP THE MEMO FROM CHRIS BROCK, UH, FROM THE APRIL 12TH WORK SESSION, BECAUSE IT WAS ACTUALLY IN OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. THAT'S HOW WE VOTED ON IT.
SO EITHER IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PUBLIC MEETING, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO FIND ANY DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT WAS UNDER A CONSENT.
UM, BUT THERE'S INFORMATION HERE IN THAT PACKET, IN THAT WORK SESSION.
AND ACTUALLY IT'S IN OUR PUBLIC SESSION, UH, WORK PACKET, PACKET.
WORK SESSION, THE MEMORANDUM FROM CHRIS BROCK HERE, UM, WHEN HE WAS THE INTERIM PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, WHICH TALKS ABOUT IT.
SO, I MEAN, IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK THROUGH THAT NOW, OR I CAN READ THAT, PLEASE READ IT, LET ME READ IT.
READ IT OR NOT READ, I'LL READ FAST AND APPROVING NEW USES AND DEVELOPMENT UNDER THE FRONT ROYAL ZONING ORDINANCE, CHAPTER 1 75 OF THE TOWN CODE.
THERE ARE GENERALLY TWO METHODS OF ZONING APPROVAL AND TWO APPROVING AUTHORITIES.
THESE TWO METHODS AND APPROVING AUTHORITIES ARE ONE THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF ZONING PERMITS BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR FOR USE AS LISTED BY RIGHT, AND TO THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF SPECIAL USE PERMITS FOR USE AS LISTED BY SPECIAL USE THAT THE TOWN COUNCIL HAS DECIDED TO RETAIN UNTO ITSELF, THE RIGHT TO HEAR AND DECIDE ZONING APPLICATIONS THAT INCLUDE NEW PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTY REQUIRED THAT PREPARATION AND SUBMISSION OF AN ACCOMPANYING SITE SKETCH OR A SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT ILLUSTRATES THE PROPOSAL PHYSICAL AS OUR PROPOSED PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTIES THAT THE REVIEWING AUTHORITY BE.
IT, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OR THE TOWN COUNCIL CAN PROPERLY DETERMINE IF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT COMPLIES WITH ALL APPLICABLE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHETHER THE APPLICATION BE RELATIVELY SIMPLE AND REQUIRE ONLY A SITE SKETCH OR BE MORE COMPLEX AND REQUIRE A DETAILED SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE SKETCH OR PLAN ARE BOTH CONSIDERED PART OF THE COMPLETE ZONING PERMIT OR SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION THAT ARE SUBJECT TO THE DECISION AUTHORITY AFFORDED TO THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OR THE TOWN COUNCIL RESPECTED WITH THESE DEVELOPMENT PLANS AS NOTED ABOVE ARE REFERENCED AS BEING REQUIRED IN CHAPTER 1 75 ZONING.
BUT THE SPECIFICS AS TO THE INFORMATIONAL CONTENT OF THE PLANS, THEIR SUBMISSION REVIEW PROCESS AND APPROVAL ARE DETAILED IN TOWN CODE CHAPTER 1 48 SUBDIVISION AND LAND DEVELOPMENT.
THERE ARE THREE TYPES OF PLANS THAT ARE GENERALLY REQUIRED.
THE TYPE OF PLAN BEING DETERMINED BY THE TYPE OF USE AND THE
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SIZE AND INTENSITY OF THE PROPOSED USE AND DEVELOPMENT.THE THREE TYPES OF PLANS ARE ONE, A SKETCH PLAN, WHICH IS THE LEAST INTENSIVE TYPE OF PLAN TO A MINOR SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH REQUIRES MORE INFORMATION IN GREATER DETAIL AND MUST BE PROFESSIONALLY PREPARED AND THREE, A MAJOR SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH AS THE NAME IMPLIES CALLS FOR THE MOST CATEGORIES AND DETAILED INFORMATION CALCULATIONS AND STUDIES THAT MUST BE PROFESSIONALLY PREPARED AND ARE USED FOR THE REVIEW OF LARGE AND INTENSE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
ALRIGHT, PURSUANT TO ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, ADMINISTRATION REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER 1 48, THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING BY ORDINANCE DEFINITION SERVES AS THE DIRECTOR OR APPROVING OFFICIAL OF CHAPTER 1 48, WHERE SO DESIGN, THIS IS MUCH LIKE CHAPTER 1 75 ZONING, WHERE THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING IS ALSO DESIGNATED AS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR UNDER CHAPTER 1 48.
THE DIRECTOR HAS THE AUTHORITY TO REVIEW AND APPROVE SITE SKETCHES AND MINOR SITE DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
THE DIRECTOR ALSO CAN WAIVE REQUIREMENTS REQUIRED INFORMATION ON SKETCH PLANS, MINOR SITE PLANS AND MAJOR SITE PLANS UPON THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT WHERE THE DIRECTOR FINDS THAT SUCH INFORMATION IS NOT REQUIRED TO DETERMINE COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO MAJOR SITE DEVELOPMENT PLANS, CHAPTER 1 48 IDENTIFIES THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS THE REVIEWING AND APPROVING AGENT.
OTHER SUCH PLANS, PLANNING COMMISSIONS BY DESIGN ARE MEANT TO SERVE PRIMARILY IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY TO THE GOVERNING BODY.
HOW MANY COMMISSIONS SERVE IN A PERMITTING ROLE FOR MAJOR SITE DEVELOPMENT PLANS IS CONSIDERED PROBLEMATIC FOR SEVERAL REASONS, MANY USES THAT ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT REQUIRE A CORRESPONDING MAJOR SITE PLAN TO ACCOMPANY THE ZONING PERMIT APPLICATION MAJOR SITE PLANS MUST ALSO ACCOMPANY SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATIONS.
IT SHOULD BE NOTED AS ZONING PERMIT CAN NOT HAVE TWO APPROVING AUTHORITIES WITH THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR PROVING THE USE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, APPROVING DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AS PORTRAYED ON THE REQUIRED SITE PLAN.
AS IN NOW, THE CURRENT SITUATION THEN SHOULD BE DISCONTINUED, SORRY, AND IS NOW THE APPROVING AUTHORITY FOR PRACTICAL REASONS AND LEGAL REASONS SHOULD BE THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
ONLY THE ZONING ORDINANCE PROVIDES NO REMEDY IN CASES WHERE THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE COMMISSION MAY DISAGREE IN MATTERS OF ZONING COMPLIANCE PIECES.
I RIGHT, WHICH REQUIRES A ZONING PERMIT AND A MAJOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL SUCH REMEDY DOES NOT EXIST BECAUSE SUCH CONFLICT SHOULD NOT EXIST.
I MEAN, TOMORROW THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE TOWN MANAGER OR DESIGNEE DEPUTY B THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR WITH THE AUTHORITY TO REVIEW AND APPROVE THOSE ZONING PERMITS AND MAJOR SITE DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
FURTHERMORE, THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT PROVIDE A PROCESS FOR AN APPLICANT TO APPEAL THE ACTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN APPROVING OR DENYING A MAJOR SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS ONLY HEARS APPEALS OF ADMINISTRATIVE DECISIONS, NOT DECISIONS MADE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND LASTLY, HAVING THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS THE APPROVING AUTHORITY FOR MAJOR SITE PLANS DOES ADD BOTH TIME AND COSTS TO THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL PROCESS, AS OPPOSED TO AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS RELATED LATE THE DESIGNATION OF THE TOWN MANAGER AS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, AS IT NEEDING TO DESIGNATE THE ADMINISTRATOR BEING RECOMMENDED IN THIS MEMORANDUM COULD ALSO PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL AVENUE OF CONFLICT RESOLUTION IN ZONING RELATED MATTERS FOR ALL THE REASONS SET FORTH YOUR IN TOWN COUNCIL BY ADOPTING THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION WOULD INITIATE THE DESCRIBED CHANGES TO TOWN CODE CHAPTERS 1 48, 1 75 TO REMOVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS THE APPROVING AUTHORITY FOR MAJOR SITE AND DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND OTHER RELATED PLAN AND PLAT APPROVAL DECISIONS TRANSFER ALSO RELATED REGULATIONS TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND MAKE THE TOWN MANAGER OR HIS DESIGNEE AS THE DEPUTY ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, THE APPROVING AUTHORITY.
WELL, THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE FLY OUT AND HE'S AN EXPERT AT, SO I WOULD AGREE WITH HIM AND IT LOOKED LIKE IT STREAMLINED IT AND WE HAD CONFLICT THINGS.
SO, SO WE DID THAT AND NOW WE'RE PROPOSING TO STREAMLINE IT MORE.
IS THAT WHAT I'M GETTING FROM THIS? WHAT WE DID HERE IS MINUS A FEW CHANGES.
SO THEY JUST SAID, I PUT A HOLD ON THIS UNTIL I GOT THE PLANS IN PLACE.
SO THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW.
THIS WAS SOMETHING I JUST GOT ON BOARD.
TIM WAS LOOKING AT IT, COUNCIL DIRECTED US.
THEN, UM, CHRIS BROCK WAS INTERIM AROUND MARCH.
AND SO THIS WAS ALL IN TOTAL UNTIL WE HAD A PLANNING DIRECTOR ON BOARD SINCE THEN, THEY'VE ALSO CHANGES WE MADE WAS, UH, LB, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR AND THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
WE'RE GOING, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE TOWN MANAGER OR DESIGNEE.
AND SO IT GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR LAUREN TO PUT UP HER EYES ON IT, AND THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'VE MADE.
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THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.WE, WE DEFER TAKING ACTION BECAUSE EVEN IN MARCH, I JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE STAFF TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS.
SO I DO KNOW IF IT, IF IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE DELAYED MOVING FORWARD, IT WAS JUST LACK OF STAFF TO BE ABLE TO REALLY CONCENTRATE ON THIS.
I MEAN, I THINK WITH THE DIRECTOR AND HER EYES ON IT AS THE EXPERT, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S NOT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S JUST THE RUN OF THE MILL TYPE TYPES OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH.
SO WE VOTED YES ON THIS AND I CAN SIGN IT RIGHT.
AND SO NOW WE'RE VOTING JUST TO MODIFY IT SLIGHTLY TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY DRAFTS.
SO I'M JUST HOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, BY READING THAT, WE'D SEE WHY WE, THE, WE WENT AND IT WAS ALL STUFF I DID NOT REMEMBER FROM, FROM LAST APRIL.
AND WE HAD A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON LAST APRIL TO YOU.
WE HAD A LOT OF, IT WAS A LOT OF CHANGE.
SO, SO I GUESS I'M BACK TO THE QUESTION.
ARE WE, IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH, INCLUDING IT ON MONDAY NIGHT TO, TO, AND WE WOULD STILL HAVE A MOTION AND A DISCUSSION BEFORE WE WOULD APPROVE? IS THAT, OR SHOULD WE MOVE IT FORWARD TO MONDAY NIGHT? OR SHOULD WE PAUSE IT UNTIL FEBRUARY? I'D MOVE IT FORWARD.
ADDING THOSE TWO RED LINES, THOSE ARE JUST INDICATING WHAT'S BEEN CHANGED IN THIS PARAGRAPH.
EVERYTHING THAT'S RED LINE IS JUST WHERE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS NEEDS OR COUNSEL NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE PROCESS, THE PROCESS IN ITSELF ISN'T CHANGING OTHER THAN MINOR TO WHAT WE ALREADY BUILT.
IT'S A PARED DOWN VERSION OF THAT RESOLUTION FROM LAST DAY.
WITH THAT, IT SEEMS LIKE MAMA WAS LIKE, YEAH.
TIM WILSON WROTE THAT IN OUR FILE.
SO WE'LL PUT IT ON MONDAY NIGHTS AGENDA AND WE'LL TACKLE IT THEN.
ALL RIGHT, MS. LAUREN, I THINK YOU NEED ON TO NUMBER FOUR, MR. WILSON, OUR WATER WATER PLANTS, GATE NUMBER FOUR, UH, KIND OF AN EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT ITEM BECAUSE, UH, BACK UP HERE AT OUR SCADA SYSTEM, IT HANDLES, UH, MONITORING THE TELEMETRIES ON THE WATER TANKS ON THE PUMPS, UM, BASICALLY OUR WHOLE WATER SYSTEM.
UM, AND RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT SITS IS WE'RE, SHORT-STAFFED ON A CLASS, ONE OPERATORS, UH, THAT VIRGINIA REQUIRES THAT WE HAVE A CLASS ONE OPERATOR ONE HAND, UM, WHEN THE PLANT IS IN OPERATION CURRENTLY, IT'S AN OPERATION 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, UM, THAT WE UPGRADE OUR SCADA SYSTEM.
WE WILL BE ABLE TO CUT BACK ON THOSE HOURS.
WE'RE HOPEFULLY IN ABOUT FOUR HOURS, AT LEAST START OFF WITH MAYBE MORE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, BUT EVEN DOING THAT, WE'RE HOPING BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE PLANT, NOT THAT AT LEAST THOSE FOUR HOURS, WE CAN AT LEAST COMPETE WITH THE SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS.
CURRENTLY WE'RE RELEASING OUR STAFF, UH, DOES SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS BECAUSE, UM, WE'RE ONE OF THE ONLY FEW THAT ARE OPEN 24 HOURS, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, THEY'RE GOING TO THESE OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
UM, AND THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, STRICT MORE STANDARDIZED HOURS.
AND, UH, SO WE KNEW WE HAD TO MOVE FORWARD.
WASN'T EXPECTING TO MOVE FORWARD SO QUICKLY WITH IT.
UM, UH, THE REDUNDANT WATER LINE, WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE, UH, THIS IN PLACE FOR THE REDUNDANT WATERLINE.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO DO.
UM, THE COST OF IT, UH, FOR THE DATA SYSTEM ITSELF IS $103,000.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S GOING TO BE ABOUT $124,000, UH, TO DO THE ELECTRICAL AND CABLING FORWARD.
UH, THOSE FIGURES RECENTLY JUST COME IN HERE IN THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS, ACTUALLY THE ELECTRICAL CABLE JUST CAME IN TODAY.
UM, WE HAVE THE MONEY CURRENTLY IN THE BUDGET UNDER CONTINGENCY ITEMS. SO IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE TO FIND NEW MONEY, UM, OR TRANSFER THE MONEY OVER FROM THAT LINE ITEM TO COVER THIS.
UH, IT'S JUST A LITTLE UNUSUAL BECAUSE WE'VE MOVED FORWARD WITH IT SO QUICKLY.
UH, IF WE HAVE, IF WE GET COUNCIL'S APPROVAL MONDAY NIGHT, WE CAN HAVE THE, UM, UM, THE VENDOR IN HERE STARTING MARCH 1ST TO DO THE INSTALLATION OF THIS, UH, THE CABLING PORTION.
WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH VENDORS TRYING TO FIGURE THAT COMPONENT OUT.
UH, SO MOST LIKELY I'LL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL IN APRIL FOR THE OTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO DO THE CAITLYN AND VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
THIS IS ALSO A COUNCIL INITIATIVE.
WE'VE ALL IDENTIFIED THIS AS A SCHOOL, AS A PRIORITY.
THIS IS 15 YEARS OLD, ALLOW US TO ALSO PROVIDE THAT OR SERVICE AND SUBS THAT
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YOU WILL SEE THAT ALSO REDUNDANT IN YOUR COUNCIL INITIATIVES, UH, UH, BJ WE'LL BE GOING OVER.UM, SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL HAVE REQUESTED STAFF TO LOOK AT FUNDING.
WE WORK ON TO TRY TO DO IT IN FYI TWENTY-THREE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.
UH, YESTERDAY ON IT, IT'S 15 YEARS OLD, THE TWO POSITIVES THAT I SEE CAUSE YOU KNOW HOW TO TAG, BUT, UM, IS ONE.
SO IT'S, IT, IT MAY MAKE RETAINING OUR EMPLOYEES BETTER.
I USED TO GET MORE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE THEY, BECAUSE OF THE SHIFT WORK AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN ALSO WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO SAVE SOME MONEY IN SALARY.
I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO, YOU SAID FOUR HOURS UNTIL MY FOUR HOURS A DAY, FOUR HOURS A DAY IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT THE 28 HOURS, UH WOULDN'T UM, IT'S, UH, IT MAY BE, IT MAY HAPPEN OVER TIME.
IT WOULDN'T AT FIRST IT WOULD TAKE, UH, UH, UM, WE'D HAVE TO GET IT UP AND RUNNING AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE CAN DO.
UM, THE REASON WHY I SAY FOUR HOURS IS THAT OUR MAJOR INDUSTRIAL USERS PULL A LOT OF WATER AT NIGHT, OBVIOUSLY.
SO IT DOESN'T AFFECT ANYONE ELSE IN THE TANKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, GETTING A FEEL FOR, BUT, UH, CERTAINLY NOT AT FIRST, I WOULDN'T MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION, BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AND GET USED TO IT, UM, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D LOOK AT ME.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? YES, SIR.
SO WE'LL PUT THAT ON MONDAY NIGHT.
AND NUMBER FIVE, IT'S YOU AGAIN? HEY, YOU GOT TO SET UP THE CONTRACT FOR THE EXECUTIVE SEARCH SERVICES FOR THE TOWN ATTORNEY POSITION.
YEAH, SO THE, WE HAVEN'T, THERE'S A CO-OPERATIVE CONTRACTING AVAILABLE TO US FOR AN EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRM, BAKER, TILLY, UH, SAME FIRM WE USE TO OBTAIN THE TOWN MANAGER.
UH, WE CAN HAVE COUNCIL APPROVE THAT ON MONDAY AND IT'LL BE THE SAME PROCESS AS WHAT WE WENT THROUGH FOR THE TOWN MANAGER OF NOTE THAT WE LIKED ABOUT THAT PROCESS WAS THAT IF FOR SOME REASON WE HIRE AND THEN THEY QUIT WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT, WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANOTHER 20.
THIS IS A 12 MONTH DEAL THOUGH.
THAT WAS THE ONE THING ONLY CAUSE THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ASKED, AND THAT WAS ATTACKED.
I EMAILED SOMEBODY ABOUT IT TODAY, BUT I WENT BACK AND LOOKED SO ACCORDING TO WHAT WE HAVE, THEY GUARANTEE 12 MONTHS, WHICH WHEREAS THE OTHER ONE WAS TWO YEARS, BUT THEY, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
IT SAID 12 MONTHS, I DON'T KNOW, OFF THE TOP.
I CAN LOOK, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE IT SAID IT WAS PART OF, IT WAS IN THE PARAGRAPH BAKER, TILLY IS GUARANTEED.
AND IT SAYS, WE PROMISED THAT IF THE CANDIDATE YOU SELECTED TERMINATED OR RESIGNED WITHIN 12 MONTHS FROM BEING HIRED BAKER, TILLY WILL CONDUCT AN ADDITIONAL SEARCH FOR, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL PROFESSIONAL FEE, BUT ONLY FOR PROJECT RELATED EXPENSES.
SO EXCEPT FOR INTERNAL CANDIDATES, THEY WOULD NOT QUALIFY THAT.
I WAS WONDERING, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SIGNED ANY CONTRACTS YET.
ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE IF YOU COULDN'T NEGOTIATE THAT UP FOR AN ADDITIONAL YEAR, ASK THEM, JUST SAY LIKE THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS PROCESS, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
DO YOU THINK THIS WOULD BE, I MEAN, THE WORST THEY CAN SAY IS NOW, I MEAN I'M OKAY.
UM, I REALLY LIKED THE WORK THAT THEY DO.
THAT'S NOT A REASON WHY THIS IS NOT PUT UP THE BED.
UM, IT'S, CO-OPERATIVE CONTRACTING, IT MEANS IT'S ALREADY BEEN PUT OUT TO BID BY ANOTHER JURISDICTION.
SO WE'RE JUST PIGGYBACKING OFF OF THEIR BID.
ACTUALLY USE WHAT THERE'S, WHAT THEY DID.
THE ONE THING THAT I JUST, UH, THE, UH, OBVIOUSLY IT WASN'T BUDGETED, BUT WE'RE, WE'VE TRANSFERRED MONEY OVER FROM SOME LEFT SALARIES.
SO SOME VACANT POSITIONS IS WHAT WE'RE USING TO HELP COVER THAT COST.
SO IT'S NOTHING THAT IS NOT, WE'RE GOING TO DIP INTO RESERVES.
WE HAVE TO FIND IT HASN'T BEEN SPENT IN SALARIES FOR, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO WITHOUT LATER BECAUSE IT'S ONLY ONE FOR IT'S LAPSE HOURS FOR THE POSITIONS THAT WAS BUDGETED UP UNTIL THIS POINT.
SO YES, WE STILL HAVE, IF WE FILL THOSE POSITIONS, WE STILL HAVE THE MONEY TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS.
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CERTAINLY IT'S A DIFFERENT PERSON AT BAKER TILLY THAN WHO WE'VE DEALT WITH BEFORE.OH, HE HAD, I THINK THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID.
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHO I REACHED OUT TO ORIGINALLY.
NUMBER SIX, FYI 23 COUNCIL INITIATIVES REVIEW.
AND MR. HICKS, YOU WERE YOU'RE YOU'RE UP VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AND GETTING FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL.
UH, AND ALSO TRYING TO LOOK HOW WE CAN GO ABOUT PRIORITIZING SOME OF THE INITIATIVES.
THIS LIST IS A FEEDBACK THAT, THAT STAFF AND I HAVE RECEIVED AS LOOKING AT WAYS TO CONSIDER, UM, FUNDING AS INITIATIVES.
NOT ALL THESE PER SE WOULD NEED TO BE IN , BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE INITIATIVES THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, THE TOTAL AMOUNT, UH, JUST TO FUND, IT WOULD BE $1.3 MILLION.
SOME OF THESE INITIATIVES HAVE JUST BEEN EITHER JUST US AT A HIGH LEVEL.
SOME YOU HAVE ALREADY ASKED US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, BUT WE THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD SHARE THIS WITH YOU.
SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND AT LEAST GET A BUDGET TO THE POINT WHERE THE TOWN MANAGER CAN MAKE A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF RECEIVE SOME GUIDANCE ON, ON FROM COUNCIL AND HOW THEY WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER.
SO I COULD BRING BACK A RECOMMENDED BUDGET THAT INCLUDES SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, KEEP IN MIND, OUR BUDGET IS TIGHT, THESE ARE NEW INITIATIVES, BUT A LOT OF THEM ARE GREATLY NEEDED.
I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH THEM AND SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THE ONES THAT, THAT, THAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED FIRST, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE ONES THAT YOU BARCLAYS HAVE SHARED, YOU DEFINITELY WANT US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
AND SOME OF THEM, WE DEFINITELY WILL FUND IT.
SO IF YOU DON'T CLARIFY, IF YOU DON'T MIND VICE MAYOR, A COMMUNITY OFFICER, THAT WOULD BE A PART-TIME POSITION, THERE WAS A BRIEF DISCUSSION THAT YOU ALL, UH, S SOME FELT LIKE MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE GO BACK TO HAVING A COMMUNITY OFFICER PART-TIME THAT WOULD PROVIDE, UH, UH, SERVICE DOWNTOWN.
BUT ALSO I SHARED THAT, THAT IT ALSO COULD BE USED IN CASES WHERE IT CAN SUPPLEMENT THE CHIEF'S OPERATION ON OTHER AREAS.
UH, SOME OF YOU FELT LIKE MAYBE WE DON'T REALLY NEED THAT DOWNTOWN.
UM, YOU ALL FELT LIKE IT'S, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THE, THE CHIEF AND HIS OFFICERS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB PATROLLING IT, UH, OTHER THAN A FEW INCIDENTS, UM, THERE REALLY HAS NOT BEEN, UH, ANY, ANY MAJOR PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS.
AND SO WE'RE LEANING TOWARDS NOT RECOMMENDING THIS, BUT THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A COUNCIL'S DECISION.
UM, BUT IF WE DO RECOMMEND IT, IT HAS TO BE NEW DOLLARS AND A NEW PART-TIME OFFICER.
WE JUST CANNOT ABSORB ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, KIND OF, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, SERVICE OR TRYING TO FIND A WORD, BUT WE JUST CAN'T, BUT SHE CAN'T TAKE ON ANY MORE ADDITIONAL, UM, WORK, PUT IT THAT WAY.
GRANT RIDER, UM, THE COUNTY, THEY HIRED GRANT WRITER AT, AT WHAT POINT DURING OUR LIAISON MEETING, THERE WAS DISCUSSING DISCUSSION ABOUT SHARING THAT POSITION.
AND UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY MORE, BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE AN ONGOING DISCUSSION.
UM, I RECOMMEND RIGHT NOW THAT, THAT WE, UH, DON'T FUND THIS FOR NOW, UM, AND REVISIT IT.
UH, AND, AND YOU ALL ALLOW ME TO GO AHEAD AND, AND TALK TO ED TO SEE IF THERE'S WAYS WE CAN STILL SHARE THAT POSITION.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW, UH, MAIN STREET WALKING MALL, CONCEPT, DESIGN, LAYOUT, AND AMENITIES.
UH, A LOT OF THIS THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO IT, IN-HOUSE WITH OUR GIS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ADD ADDITIONAL COSTS BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE TO PURCHASE NEW BENCHES, UH, CREATE MORE, UH, PLACES FOR PEOPLE THEY CAN SIT DOWN AT AS WELL AS POTENTIALLY MORE TRASH CANS AND JUST OVERALL PARENTS, AND, AND LOOK FOR OTHER TOP OF, UH, SAFETY, PREVENTING CERTAIN SAFETY ISSUES.
SO 15,000 WILL BE NEEDED TO PIT IN ON COUNSEL'S GUIDANCE ON IF THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MAIN STREET CLOSURE.
AND 15,000 RIGHT NOW WOULD BE FOR THE CONCEPT DESIGN LAYOUT AND NOT ANYTHING ELSE.
IT'S JUST BASICALLY COMING UP WITH THE DESIGN FOR IT, NOT NECESSARILY TO BE PAYING FOR TRASH CANS AND VENTURES YET, BUT JUST, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
I WOULD HELP OUT WITH US TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME TYPE OF SUPPLEMENT, SOME OF OUR DESIGNS, SOME OF THE STUDIES, WE GOTTA MAKE SURE,
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YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS SAFE, HOW WE GO ABOUT DOING IT, YOU KNOW, ARE WE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, CURB AND GUTTER RAISED MEDIUMS WHERE, WHERE WE PROVIDE A MORE SAFER WAY OF CLOSING IT? UH, SO THAT ONE, UM, WE WOULD, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND FUNDING, UM, THE, UH, FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING.UH, I RECOMMEND THAT YOU GIVE US, UH, UH, THE APPROVAL TO GO AHEAD AND FIND WAY TO FUND THIS BUILDING IT'S GREATLY NEEDED.
UM, I'VE BEEN THERE AND, AND I'M IMPRESSED, UH, ALL ABOUT HOW YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO CONTINUE, UH, TOP-NOTCH SERVICE AND THE HA I WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD.
I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS AND WE GOT SOME OF THE BEST MECHANICS, BUT WORKING IN THE WORST CONDITION, I WAS, I HADN'T LET Y'ALL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT WAS ONE THING THAT WE ALL HAD CONSENSUS BEFORE THAT WE THOUGHT THAT WAS DEFINITELY, SHOULD BE A PRIORITY.
AND THAT'S WHEN I SIGNED UP, DO I NOT REMEMBER THAT? CORRECT.
BUT YOU ALL AGREE, AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING, WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT COUNCILMAN MORRIS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS JUMP IN THERE? YEAH, NO.
I'M JUST GOING TO ECHO THAT THE FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING, UH, IS ONE OF MY TOP PRIORITIES.
I'VE VISITED DOWN THERE IN THE WORK THAT THEY DO IN THEIR SAFETY TOWNS, SO MUCH MONEY.
SO IT IS SO IMPORTANT THAT THEY HAVE THE PROPER TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, AS PART OF OUR PROGRESS IMPROVEMENT OR PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS, UH, UH, I SHARED WITH YOU ON ONE OF OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS THAT WE NEED TO UPDATE OUR FORMS AND MAKE THINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE AUTOMATED AND STUFF, AND THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE PRINTING AND THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE SOME OTHER MEANS IT'S GOING TO COST $15,000.
THAT'S ONE OF THE INITIATIVES.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF OUR FORMS, WHAT WE DEAL WITH, UH, WITH THE, UM, WITH THE PUBLIC, THEY ALL JUST NEED TO BE UPDATED.
THEY'LL NEED A LOT OF THEM ARE JUST NOT UP TO DATE.
I'M NOT EXPECTING TO SPEND ALL THAT AMOUNTS TO $15,000.
I JUST LOOKED AT THAT AND THOUGHT, MAN, WHEN WE WENT OUT THERE FOR LIKE AT SCHOOL, WE DON'T, WELL, THIS WILL BE LIKE COMBINATION OF ALL THE LINE, BUT YOU KNOW HOW WE HAVE TO MAKE MULTIPLE COPIES, MAKE SURE THE FORM IS RIGHT.
AND SO, WHILE WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO BUDGET FOR THIS.
AND I THINK COUNCIL REALIZED HOW I AM JUST BECAUSE I HAVE $10.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'LL SPEND $10.
UM, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWN AND I'M HOPING STAFF CAN HELP OUT ON THIS ONE.
MOST OF THE, A LOT OF THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.
UM, THE LANDSCAPE STANDARD PLAN, UH, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS BEING WORKED ON AS WE SPEAK.
BUT WHEN WE DECIDED TO COME UP WITH STARTING CERTAIN MANUALS AND STUFF, WE, WE WILL PROBABLY NEED SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY ON THAT AREA.
UH, AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ONGOING.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT COUNCIL HAS ASKED US TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, THE STREET STANDER UPDATE, THAT'S KIND OF EMOTION RIGHT NOW, BUT AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE THAT KIND OF REVIEW AND WE WANT TO FOLLOW BE THAT STANDARDS, BUT THIS IS, UH, ONE THAT, UH, AT HIG, IT GOES BACK TO 19.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG HAS OUR STREET STANDARD ONE SINCE 19, 2000 AND 2005 ON THE LANDSCAPE AND STUFF.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE NEED.
IT JUST COMPLIMENTS EVERYTHING SO WE CAN SCRATCH IT'S PREDICTABILITY.
SO THAT ONE WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE FLOOD PLAIN, UM, UPDATE.
WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT, UH, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN.
THIS IS WHERE WE STILL NEED TO, UH, LOOK AT HOW OUR PLANS ARE.
AND ALTHOUGH THE, UH, VIRGINIA WATER AUTHORITY BOARD, WHERE THE BOARD WITH DDQ IS GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF OUR STORMWATER LAND REVIEWS AND STUFF, AS WE SWITCHED OVER, WE STILL NEED WHAT, THERE'LL STILL BE A PARK, BUT WE HAVE TO EVOLVE A CERTAIN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE IN HOUSE WHEN IT COMES TO STORM WATER.
KEEP IN MIND, WE HAVE NO LICENSED ENGINEERS ON, UM, THE OTHER ONE IS A STRATEGIC PLAN LINKED TO BUDGET PROCESS.
UH, ACTUALLY, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL THROUGH RETREAT, THE VIRGINIA TECH, UM, PROFESSOR AND, AND HER STUDENTS ARE WILLING TO DO THE PLAN.
IT'S AN, I NEEDED TO REVISE THESE NUMBERS.
WE NEED A STRATEGIC PLAN AS WELL.
THE BOND RATING IS A BUDGET BECAUSE WHAT IT IS, IT RAISES THE BAR FOR NOT ONLY COUNCIL AND STAFF, BUT FUTURE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND IT'S VERY COMMON TO HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN THAT LEADS TO HOW WE'RE FUNDING
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PROJECTS, BECAUSE THE PROCESS WE'RE GOING THROUGH NOW, WE NEED TO KIND OF STOP DOING IT EVERY ONCE.THERE SHOULD BE SOME PREDICTABILITY ON A VISION OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO SPEND OUR FUTURE DOLLARS.
I ALWAYS LOOK AT IT AS A SLIGHT RETIREMENT PLAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
UM, SO I ENCOURAGED THE SUPPORT OF, OF THAT.
I FEEL THAT WE CAN, UH, PUT THAT BACK DOWN TO 10,000 ARE TALKING, BUT THE VIRGINIA TECH PROFESSOR, UH, CURB AND GUTTER, UH, WE, WE HAVE, WE PUT ABOUT, UH, $230,000 AS PART OF THE INITIATIVE FOR NEW CURBING GUTTER AND OUR BUDGET ALREADY.
SO THAT ONE'S ALREADY BEEN PROPOSED, BUT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IT BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL ASKED THAT WE STARTED DOING NEW SIDEWALKS AND CURB AND GUTTER, SO THAT ONE'S ALREADY BEEN FUNDED, CORRECT ME, JAMES, IT'S ALREADY IN THE TWO 30.
AND THAT WAS BASED ON ALREADY DISCUSSIONS, UH, THE SIDEWALK SCHOOL GAP.
UH, WE CAN'T PUT A NUMBER RIGHT NOW ON THAT.
UH, I RECOMMEND THAT LET'S GET THROUGH SOME OF OUR, UH, SIDEWALK PROJECTS COMPLETED, BUT MAINLY JUST IDENTIFY IT IN HOUSE WHERE THOSE GAPS ARE AND LOOK AT HOW WE CAN USE SOME POTENTIAL GRANTS AND THEN COME BACK MAYBE NEXT FISCAL YEAR TO GIVE YOU OR IDENTIFY WHERE THOSE GAPS ARE AND HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST.
I KNOW IT'S ONE OF THE INITIATIVES YOU ALL WOULD LIKE FOR US TO LOOK INTO, BUT, UH, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO KIND OF IN HOUSE, UH, IDENTIFY EVERYTHING SO THAT ONE, I RECOMMEND WE HOLD OFF.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO DUST OFF THE OTHER PLAN WE HAVE, IT'S JUST A PLAN AND IDENTIFY CERTAIN AREAS.
BUT I DO KNOW THAT, UM, WARREN COUNTY, THEY LOOKED IN THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, PARKING OUR PARKS, NO, WAIT A MINUTE.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT PARKS, PARKS? THIS IS THE ONE THAT, UH, UH, DISCUSS ABOUT HOW TO ADD ADDITIONAL AMENITIES AND ALSO DOG PARKS OR ANYTHING ELSE.
AND THIS WOULD HELP, UH, IDENTIFY SOME LAND THAT WE SHOULD COUNCIL DECIDE THAT WE WANT TO CREATE ANOTHER DOG PARK.
AND COULD WE ALSO USE THE DATA THAT COMES OUT OF THIS SURVEY? BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE SURVEY, THERE WAS A PART OF THE SURVEY THAT ASKED ABOUT WHAT OTHER PARKS, RIGHT? YEAH.
MAYBE WE COULD USE THAT YOU USE PUBLIC INPUT ON THAT TO, TO, TO GET INPUT ON WHERE HE IS OR WHERE THEY THOUGHT IMPROVEMENTS COULD BE DONE.
SO WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO DEFER THIS TO FY 24 BUDGET OR FUNDING TO THE QUESTION ABOUT $20,000 FOR A STUDY? NOT A STUDY THAT WOULD BE ACTUALLY TRYING TO BUILD A STUDY ONCE WE IDENTIFY, WE CAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUSH IT OFF, BUT I THINK THAT IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO FINISH THE COMP PLAN AND GET THE INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE WOULD WANT IT AND THEN TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW ALL, Y'ALL HEARD ME SAY THIS, NOTHING SPRAYED, UM, AND I APPRECIATE STEPHEN AND STAFF PUTTING THIS TOGETHER FOR US TO LET US PUT EYEBALLS ON IT BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST THE THINGS DOWN ON THIS LIST, UM, WHEN IT COMES DOWN FOR, TO THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT LAUREN WAS TELLING US, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, IT PERTAINS TO POVERTY AS WELL, AND IT HELPS EMPLOYMENT.
UM, I KNOW STEVEN HASN'T GOTTEN DOWN THAT FAR YET, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, AGAIN ON Y'ALL, DON'T MY FEELING ON THE STREETS AND SIDEWALKS, FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING, I THINK, YOU KNOW, UM, DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AND THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, IN MY OPINION, IT'S BADLY NEEDED A FLOODPLAIN UPDATE.
UM, I WOULD, UH, I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, KEEP IN MIND THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE GO DOWN THIS LIST, YOU KNOW, UM, LIKE STEVEN WAS SAYING IT'S IT'S TIGHT.
SO, UM, BE, UM, BE CAUTIOUS, UM, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, LIKE I WAS SAYING, NOTHING'S FREE, WE HAD AN OPEN CHECKBOOK.
YOU'D BE LIKE, OH YEAH, PUT ALL OF THESE ON HERE, BUT I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, GARY, WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT'S THE PRIORITY AND WHAT'S, WHAT'S A WISHLIST.
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UPFRONT.AND IN FRONT OF US, WHAT WILL MAKE OUR TOWN BETTER? YOU KNOW? YEAH.
STEVEN, CAN YOU HIT US WITH WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDED FROM THE LIST? YEAH.
THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE, WE'RE GOING TO THIS LIST OR WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH WE'D LIKE TO DEFER THAT.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE THOUGHTS ON WHERE THE PARKS WOULD GO BEFORE WE, LIKE, THAT'S WHY THE COMP PLAN, I STUDY MAYBE SOME MORE TIME PLANNING FIRST STUDY SECOND.
AND THEN THAT'S WHAT STAFF GOOD STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO DO THAT WE'LL HAVE THE FUNDING AVAILABLE, BUT WE NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE OF RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE ENTERPRISE BOND.
AND THAT IS ONE THAT WE HAVE ALREADY THE BOND RATING.
THAT, THAT IS, IN MY OPINION, THAT'S KIND OF A SHARED, UH, FEELING THAT I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR US TO GET OUR INITIAL BOND RATE AND GET ALL OF OUR DUCKS IN A ROW.
HOW WE WANT TO KIND OF KEEP OUR CREDIT SCORE HIGH.
UH, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND WE COULD SPREAD THAT OVER TO THE SCHOOL YEARS.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR US TO GET.
UM, I WOULDN'T RATE IT AS A HOT PRIORITY THOUGH.
UH, WHEN WE GO DOWN HR EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK, I AM ASKING YOU ALL TO, TO, UH, TO STRONGLY RECOMMEND, I MEAN, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THIS, OUR HR EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK IS SO OUT OF DATE, GET THAT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND $50,000.
WELL, WHILE WE'RE DOING IT IS RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO DO THE, THE HANDBOOK AND MAKE SURE ALL THE LAWS, THERE'S SO MANY NEW LAWS, FEDERAL LAWS, THERE'S NEW LAWS THAT ARE COMING DOWN AND, AND WE JUST, IT'S JUST LOWER RIGHT NOW.
AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT IF WE DON'T MAKE SURE WE DO IT RIGHT, THAT'S ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE IT COULD SET US UP FOR LIABILITY AND RISK COST THAT, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS WHEN THEY DO THE EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK, THEY ALSO ARE STILL GOING TO LOOK AT OUR PAY SCALE AND OUR SALARY BECAUSE THERE ARE NEW LAWS COMING OUT WITH THE COST OF LIVING, RIGHT.
THAT EACH YEAR THE INCREMENTS ARE GOING UP HIGHER AND WE WILL RE BRING IT BACK IN AFTER WE DO THE HANDBOOK, PROBABLY A COST OF LIVING WAGE OF PAYING ALL OF OUR, AT LEAST $15 INSTEAD OF THE WAY.
SO THIS IS OUT OF OUR WHEELHOUSE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT YOU HAVE TO HIRE, SO WE HAVE TO HIRE A CONSULTANT WHEN WE PUT IT OUT FOR BID IT'S OVER THE TWENTY-FIVE K RIGHT.
AND THEN OF COURSE WE'LL, YOU'RE, THAT'S YOUR, LIKE, IT MAY BE 50 K, BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE THAT CORRECT.
THAT WAS THE LAST ONE WAS 30 K 2018.
SO JUST THAT ONE, THE PACE, NO, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL .
AND THEN THIS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE THAT DATA AND PUT IT IN THERE.
WE FEEL, WE HAVE THE WAY WE DO OUR BUDGET.
I MEAN, IF WE PUT IT IN THERE AND THEN WE FIND OUT IT'S NOT, THEN THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE EXTRA DOLLARS TO KIND OF OFFSET SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS WHERE WE LOW BALL STUFF.
BUT I KNOW LAURA LAST YEAR SHE, SHE WORKED ON SOMETHING.
I JUST REMEMBER, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THAT, UH, COUNCIL APPROVES SOME RESOLUTIONS TO THE HANDBOOK IN CERTAIN AREAS AND THEN THE LEAD BY HERSELF.
SO, UM, ANYWHERE I WOULD, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD, UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS A PART OF THAT COMPENSATION STUDY AND I WAS A HUGE, HUGE FAN AND PUSH HER OF THAT.
UM, BUT WE'RE SAYING COMING UP ON WHAT FIVE YEARS, UM, AND IT'S WORTH TO ME.
AND HE SAID, AGAIN, I'M ONE PERSON, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SOON GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT TOO.
SO JUST YOU KEEP THAT ON EVERYBODY'S RADAR.
WELL, RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT DOESN'T EVEN REFLECT THE NEW WAY OF HOW PEOPLE ARE TELECOMMUTING WORK AT HOME.
AND NOW AT COBRA, YOU GOT THERE'S CERTAIN TOP.
SO WHAT I, WHEN WE DO THE BUDGET, I MAY NEED TO LOWER THAT NUMBER, BUT IT WILL LOWER THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, BUT I, I DON'T, I'M HOPING WE'LL SPEND THAT AMOUNT AND I'LL DO EVERYTHING I CAN.
UM, THE, THIS IS THE JACKSON JACKSON STREET PARKING STUDY.
SHE HASN'T DID A JACKSON STREET PARKING STUDY THAT'S BEEN DONE.
YEAH, WE'VE DONE THIS STUDY, BUT IT'S JUST A STUDY
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OF WHERE POTENTIAL OF BARGAIN IS.I GUESS IT GETS TO THE POINT NOW WE GOT TO START SHARPEN OUR PENCILS ON ACTUALLY GETTING SOME REAL COSTS OF HOW MUCH THIS WILL COST IF WE GO THIS ROUTE.
UH, AND SO THAT IS, I MEAN, NOWADAYS DOING, UH, GETTING AN ENGINEER TO EVEN REVISIT THIS STUFF, IS, IS THIS COSTLY? I MEAN, IT'S JUST, THIS IS CRAZY.
I'VE SEEN THAT WITH LIKE DRAWN OUT.
IT WAS LIKE PICTURES, LIKE HOW THE PLANTS WOULD BE LIKE, EVERYTHING WAS PUT IN THERE.
SO WE PUT THAT IN WE'LL DUST IT OFF.
IT SHOULD BE $50,000 TOWARDS SOME KIND OF OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT WOULD ALSO LOOK AT ALL THE FLOW, HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, WHAT THE COST OF PURCHASE.
I MEAN, BASED ON THIS STUDY TO, TO DO SOMETHING, I COULD SEE THAT, AND THEN WHATEVER'S NOT USED ON THAT IS EARMARKED OR, OR IT WILL GO TOWARDS THE ACTUAL WORK, THEN I'D BE OKAY WITH THAT AMOUNT.
I JUST FELT LIKE WE'VE ALREADY DONE THIS STUDY.
IT'S THERE THE FINDINGS, YOU KNOW, W WE HAVE THOSE NOW I WOULD HATE TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE.
I THOUGHT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE RETREAT THAT WE WERE GOING AT, YOU GUYS, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AND TRY TO DUST THAT OFF AND SEE WHAT WOULD STILL BE NEEDED IF ANY .
SO LIKE LITERALLY BEEN IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS THEN, BUT I DON'T RECALL THERE BEING ANY ESTIMATES ASSOCIATED WITH IT, THERE WAS, THERE WAS A PLAN AND A STUDY AS TO WHAT NEEDED, RIGHT.
SO WE'RE SAYING WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND MONEY NECESSARILY ON A STUDY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE, BUT WE DO NEED TO PREDICT OR HAVE SOME IDEAS OF COST FOR THE ACTUAL PROJECT.
LIKE, WE WANT OUR DOLLARS TO GO TO THE ACTUAL PROJECT, NOT TO SOMEBODY DOING ANOTHER STUDY AND DRAWING SOME MORE PICTURES.
UH, IT WAS BROUGHT UP, UM, UH, HAPPY CREEK HORSE TRAIL, UH, POTENTIAL TO JUST BRING THAT UP AS IN OTHER BOATS OR TRANSPORTATION.
I THINK IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE WELL OFF ENOUGH TO HAVE A HORSE, YOU CAN BUILD YOUR OWN TRAIL.
I DON'T, I HEAR, HE JUST GOT UP AGAIN.
I'M THINKING ABOUT PRIORITIES AND WHICH THINGS ON THERE ARE GOING TO LIKE, WHAT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
AND THAT MIGHT BE ONE OF THE, THE WISH VERSUS THE NECESSARY PART OF THE COMP PLAN OF HOW, WHAT, WHAT FUTURE CIP AND HOW AND WHERE WE WANT IT AND STOP.
SO THAT'S GOING WITH THESE IDEAS BECAUSE IT'S REALLY A NICE PLACE TO LAND.
WELL, HE'S THINKING ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE.
YEAH, I DID IT, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEND A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ON IT.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT CAN BE TWEAKED ON HAPPY CREEK.
IT'S JUST A STUDY, RIGHT? THE INTERNATIONAL TRAIL.
SO ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS COUNCIL, AND WE SUPPORT IT, THAT YOU ALL WANTED TO SEE MORE SHELTERS FOR TROLLEYS.
WELL, THAT REQUIRES US TO DO THE PATH AND THEN THEY'LL COME IN.
I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, THAT ISN'T ONE OF THE, I WILL COMMENT ON THIS IS THAT I WAS ORIGINALLY VERY SKEPTICAL OF THIS SHELTERS FOR TROLLEYS.
NOW I THINK THAT THE FACT THAT FOR ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THOSE STOPS ARE.
I THINK IT WOULD HELP HIGHLIGHT WHERE THE STOPS ARE AND MIGHT ACTUALLY BRING RIDERSHIP UP.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD PLAN IN ORDER TO INCREASE RIDERSHIP.
IS THERE A THREE OR TWO YEARS? I THINK IT'S TRUE.
AVENUE, RIGHT? I'VE ALWAYS BEEN ON THE CLUB AND THEN THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION CURRENTLY, WE, WE, WE BUDGET $35,000 AS OUR MATCH OR CURRENT TROLLEYS SYSTEM.
UH, HOWEVER, THERE'S BEEN, UM, EXPRESSED THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO EXPAND THAT, UH, TALKING WITH MIKE IN GENERAL, NOT REALLY KNOWING ALL THE QUARTERS AT THIS POINT, THE ADDITIONAL $15,000 WOULD ALLOW US TO EXPAND MORE ON THE, ON THE MAIN CORRIDORS AND STUFF.
SO I THOUGHT I'D SHARE THAT WITH YOU ALL.
AND THAT'S JUST A, SOME THAT WOULD BE A HARD MATCH CONTRIBUTION AND PUT IT THERE.
AND THEN WE WOULD COME BACK AND DISCUSS EVEN BETTER ROUTES.
I THINK WE NEED TO ALSO MAYBE THUMB SOME MONEY TOWARDS, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A LOT OF MONEY.
WE MIGHT HAVE SOMEBODY IN HOUSE WHO CAN DO SOME GRAPHICS AND STUFF, BUT SOME ADVERTISING FOR THE TROLLEY COULD ALSO INCREASE THE RIDERSHIP BECAUSE, I MEAN, I KNOW WHERE SOME OF THE STOPS ARE, DO I KNOW WHAT TIME IT GOES TO WHERE I HAVE NO CLUE? HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B? YEAH.
DID THEY FIND INSIDE OF THE SHELTERS THAT SAY WHAT'S FROM THE PICKUP AND DROP OFF IT'S FOR THAT? NOT YET.
WELL, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WAS GOING TO, AND JUST, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD
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COME OUT OF THAT $15,000 NOW THAT THE EXISTING SHELTER, UM, WORKING WITH MY THAT'S A PLAN TO START PUTTING THOSE $5,000 TO SHELTERS.WHAT ABOUT TRANSPORTATION? TROLLEYS? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THAT 15,015 WOULD BE A NEW ROUTES, NEW ROUTES, NEW ROUTES IS THAT COVERING, WE TALKING ABOUT NEW ROUTES, LIKE, UH, MAINTENANCE ON THE VEHICLE.
IT'S OUR SHEER, YOU KNOW, YOU MAKE A LOOP UP AROUND SHENANDOAH COPPINS, UM, YOU KNOW, COME DOWN, YOU KNOW, WHERE AT THE HOSPITAL THEY WERE ALREADY THERE.
NOW I SEE LIKE SIGNAGE WOULD HELP A LITTLE BIT WITH, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE YOUR HAND ON A, ONE OF THOSE INFORMATION.
TRI-FOLDS THEN HOW DO YOU KNOW? I MEAN, I GUESS IT'S THE WEBSITE UP TO DATE? DOES IT HAVE THE TIMES, HOW DO YOU INCREASE RIDERSHIP? IS THERE AN APP? THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK.
SO FOR, FOR THE TROLLEY OR FOR THE UNNAMED, FOR THE, FOR THIS, RIGHT.
I WAS JUST THINKING, CAUSE MY, MY KIDS WHERE THEY GO TO COLLEGE, THEY HAD WHERE THEY WENT TO COLLEGE WHERE THEY, UM, THERE WAS THERE'S AN APP ON THEIR PHONE AND LIKE LITERALLY THE APP WOULD, YOU KNOW, TELL THEM WHEN IT WAS COMING.
BUT ALSO IF IT WAS RUNNING LATE, IT WOULD TELL THEM THAT TOO.
THAT'S ALL I WAS GOING TO SAY.
I WILL MENTION ONE THING THAT I HAVE NOTICED, MAYBE I'M JUST MORE AWARE OF IT NOW, IS THAT ON SOCIAL MEDIA? THE LAST, THE LAST WEEK, I'VE NOTICED A COUPLE MORE THAN TWO, PROBABLY EVEN WHERE PEOPLE SAID ARE ANY, IS ANYONE GOING OUT TOWARDS BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
I HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT I WORK AT ONE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I JUST, I JUST, I LOVE OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE LIKE, WELL, I'M GOING TO, I COULD SWING BY HERE.
COULD YOU GO AN HOUR EARLY? YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR SERVICE, YOU KNOW, THE WEEKENDS, UM, LET'S SEE HERE AND I'VE BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE I BELIEVE ON THE WEEKENDS.
UM, SERVICE DOES NOT EVEN START UNTIL ABOUT ONE.
UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES THEY TURN OFF, I THINK THEIR LAST RUN THEIRS IS, UH, WELL, ACCORDING TO THIS, UH, FIVE O'CLOCK AND YOU KNOW, I ALSO PART OF THAT $15,000 AND THAT'S WHAT ME AND MIKE NEVADA OPEN THAT TIME NOW A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, UH, LEAVE IT OPEN JUST A LITTLE BIT LONGER, YOU KNOW, OR STARTED RUNNING ON THE WEEKEND.
BECAUSE THE IDEA REALLY ISN'T JUST, THIS IS LIKE GIVING PEOPLE A RIDE TO THE SHOPPING CENTERS OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT IT, THAT IT COULD GIVE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, UH, TRANSPORTATION TO A JOB.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE A QUICK SUGGESTION TO YOU ALONG THOSE LINES OF PEOPLE GETTING TO WORK AND STAFF A WEEK.
I WOULD THINK THAT SOME OF THOSE MANUFACTURERS AND INVESTORS OUT OF THE TECHNIQUE TO COURT, OR MIGHT INVEST SOME DOLLARS TO HAVE IT RUNNING DIFFERENT SHIFTS OVER THERE.
IT'S LIKE, I TRACK NOW WE HAVE OUR OWN SHUTTLE SYSTEM THAT PICKS UP PEOPLE AROUND LIKE DIFFERENT PARTS OF WEST VIRGINIA TO GET THEM TO WORK ON OUR DIFFERENT, WE HAVE THREE TIPS, RIGHT? SO FIRST SHIFT, SECOND SHIFT, THIRD SHIFT.
AND I WOULD THINK THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO PARTNER WITH THAT AND COULD HELP INCREASE THAT AND OFFER TRANSPORTATION IS ONE OF THEIR WAYS OF RECRUITING PEOPLE.
LIKE WE CAN EVEN GET YOU TO WORK HERE.
IF YOU CAN JUST MAKE IT TO THIS TROLLEY SHOT IDEA, THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S THE BEST, BUT SOMETHING OUT THERE LIKE, UM, IF I'M ALL FOR EXPANDING GREEKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT AS WE'RE TALKING, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO JIVE TO ME THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEEDING TO INCREASE, RIDE YOUR SHIP AND EXPANDING THE ROUTES AT THE SAME TIME AS THE CARPET FOR A HORSE.
SHOULD WE BE FOCUSING ON GETTING THE WORD OUT FIRST AND THEN NEXT, AND THEN EXPANDING RIDER OR EXPANDING ROUTES AFTER WE EXPAND WRITERS, THE ISSUE WITH THIS ISSUE, LIKE WITH THE SERVICE STARTING AT ONE O'CLOCK ON SATURDAY, FOR INSTANCE, DO YOU HAVE JOBS AND THINGS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT ARE OPEN OF COURSE BEFORE ONE O'CLOCK THERE'S A RIDE TO WALMART OR SOMETHING.
SO IF YOU DO ADD THOSE HOURS, RIGHT, WOULD THAT INCREASE YOUR RIDERSHIP IN THAT RESPECT? THERE MIGHT BE SOMEBODY WHO CAN BEAT IT, THEN IT'S LIKE, OH, HEY, I CAN START RIDING ON SATURDAYS.
THEY DO NOT HAVE CARS OR RELIABLE TRANSPORTATION, BUT NO, I, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ON, ON THAT.
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I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT STARTS AT ONE, BUT MAYBE THERE'S A GOOD REASON FOR THAT.MAYBE WE CAN, WE NEVER HAD FOR FIVE YEARS, ANYBODY RIDES THE TROLLEYS FROM EIGHT TO ONE AND THEY DID A STUDY.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THESE, IF IT'S COMPLETELY RANDOM OR WHAT THE NEXT QUESTION IS.
HAVE WE TAKEN SOMETHING THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED AS A, WAS IT DESIGNED AS LOW-INCOME, UM, TRANSPORTATION INITIALLY? WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE TROLLEY WHEN IT WAS FIRST CREATED? AND IF, IF IT WASN'T THAT PURPOSE, MAYBE IT WASN'T STUDIED CORRECTLY AND THE ROUTES AND THE TIME WEREN'T PUT IN PLACE OF THAT, AND NOW WE'RE ADOPTING IT BECAUSE IT'S BECOME THAT, UH, I SUPPORT THAT 100% AND LET'S ADOPT IT AND LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING THOSE NEEDS.
BUT I THINK IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION IT'S HEADED, THAT'S FINE.
I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT GROWTH AND, AND, AND GIVING PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO COME IN AND INVEST IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THEY COULD LOOK AT IS TRANSPORTATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THIS IS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT I SPEAK TO ON THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA HAVE, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET ALL THAT TRIAL OR ANYBODY, WHETHER IT BE SOMEBODY WHO LIVES IN OUR TOWN, WHETHER IT BE SOMEBODY WHO DRIVES IN FROM FAIRFAX, SOMEBODY THAT COMES FROM CALIFORNIA, I WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO COME TO OUR TOWN AND BE ABLE TO GO ANY PLACE THEY WANT TO, AND OUR TENT, YOU KNOW, OUR FLEET, LIKE HOW MANY DO WE HAVE? WELL, I THINK THERE'S TWO RIGHT NOW.
SO IN THE NINETIES, WHEN I FIRST REMEMBER THE TROLLEY, DOES IT START IN THE NINETIES? I WOULD SAY STARTED, STARTED EARLY TO CATCH THE TROLLEY AT WILSON MORRISON.
AND IT WOULD TAKE US DOWN TO THE PARK FOR OUR DAY PROGRAM AND WE PAID MONEY FOR IT.
SO YOU COULD GET TO THE POOL, YOU CAN GET TO THE PARK, YOU COULD GO A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT YOU HAVE TO ALSO REMEMBER AT THAT TIME HE DIDN'T HAVE THE CORRIDOR THAT WASN'T THERE.
EVERYTHING THAT TROLLEY WAS DOING WAS RIGHT HERE IN TOWN, IN TOWN.
AND A LOT OF THEM TIMES, AND I BELIEVE WE'RE SET UP BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN CHANGED IF I'M MISTAKEN.
I'M SORRY, BUT I DON'T THINK THE TIMES HAVE BEEN CHANGED EVER SINCE IT WAS.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS GRADED FOR MORE, MORE INTENTIONALLY FOR THINGS LIKE LEISURE PURPOSES.
IT SOUNDS LIKE NOW IT'S INVOLVING INTO PUBLIC, RIGHT? WE WANT TO KEEP FOCUSING THIS DISCUSSION INTO, ARE WE CHANGING THE PURPOSE OF WHAT THE TROLLEY'S ORIGINAL THING WAS? IF WE ARE THEN I THINK LIKE RE ANALYSIS THAT MAYBE WE NEED MORE MONEY TO IT.
IF WE WANT TO INCREASE LIKE GARY SAYING, I TOTALLY AGREE.
THE GAP IS THAT IF WE WANT TO HAVE MORE ACCESSIBLE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, UM, I KNOW THAT I WAS NOT UNDER THE IMPRESSION UNTIL I CAME INTO THIS POSITION THAT THE TROLLEY IS USED FOR THAT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A, UH, TAKE MY KID ON IT.
VERSUS ACTUALLY BEING USED FOR, UM, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, BUS SYSTEMS, ALL THE COSTS, YOU KNOW, THE WORLD, RIGHT.
I UP IN IRELAND WHERE WE HAD BUSES INTO DOUBLE AND WE DIDN'T DRIVE AT THE DELT WHEN WE TOOK A BUS AND THEN I JUST HOP ON A DOUBLE DOCTOR AND MY MOM AND I WOULD GO IN AND WE GO SHOPPING AND IT WAS EVERYBODY USE THE BUS.
SO I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, BUT THAT WAS LIKE, THERE WAS STOPS EVERYWHERE FOR ME TO GET ON AND GET OFF WHEREVER AND YOU GOTTA GET ON AND GET OFF.
HE PAID ONE TIME YOU HAD A TICKET AND YOU COULD SHOW THAT TICKET ALL DAY LONG.
AND IT WAS A, YOU KNOW, UM, A REALLY GREAT THING, SAME THING DOWN IN LIKE, UH, DOWN IN MEXICO, THEY HAD A TRAIN, I MEAN, A BUS THAT RED BUS HOP ANY ABOUT EVERY MINUTE, THERE WAS A RED BUS HEADING DOWN THIS THING, AND YOU JUST HOP ON, HOP OFF WHENEVER YOU WANTED, YOU PAID A DOLLAR EACH, EACH TIME YOU HOPPED ON SO SAME KIND OF CONCEPT.
BUT WE, IF IT'S DIFFERENT NOW AND WE'RE CHANGING THIS NOW, LET'S REALLY LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF WE NEED TO, I SEE THE $50,000 PUT ON THIS, THIS OVER WE ALREADY BUDGET 30.
SO I JUST THINK, I JUST THINK IF WE'RE JUST HITTING, LIKE TRYING TO THROW DARTS WITH OUR EYES CLOSED, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HIT IT.
BUT IF WE SAY WE REALLY WANT TO PLAY DARTS HERE, WE REALLY WANT TO HIT THE TARGET.
WE'RE GOING TO AIM FOR, WE'RE GOING TO SAY, WHAT ARE THE ROUTES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? WHAT ARE THE TIMES LIKE GARY BROUGHT UP, WHERE ARE THE ROUTES? AND ARE WE MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY? AND IF THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE AND HAVE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION FOR THIS TOWN, LET'S DO IT RIGHT.
ONE OF THE OTHER THAN HARRISBURG, PENNSYLVANIA, WE DEFINITELY WORRIED THE BUS.
I DEFINITELY RODE THE BUS AND TO GET EVERYWHERE.
SO STEVEN, WHO WOULD LEAD A CONVERSATION FOR INSTANCE, IN TALKING TO BUSINESSES IN THE CORRIDOR TO SEE IF THERE'S AN INTEREST IN THEM PARTICIPATING AND PROVIDING OUR WORKERS.
OH, WAIT, COORDINATOR, COORDINATOR, THE GENTLEMEN.
MIKE, HE CAME AND SPOKE WITH, I'M TRYING TO THINK IT'S BEEN IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, RIGHT.
THAT HE CAME AND SPOKE TO US AND INTRODUCED US TO SOME OF THE OTHER DRIVERS VISUALIZED COUNCIL MEETING.
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LIAISON MEETING.WELL, I COULD ALWAYS, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
MAYBE THIS CONVERSATION WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO HAVE HIM COME TO A WORK SESSION AND TALK ABOUT LIKE, WHAT, HOW, HOW COULD WE GO ABOUT GETTING MORE INFORMATION TO EXPAND THE ROUTES? OR WHAT WOULD IT COST? I'M SURE THEY HAVE, AGAIN, COMING BACK TO THIS CONCEPT OF LIKE BUSES COME EVERY 15 MINUTES VERSUS HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR ME TO GET PICKED UP, TO GET WHERE I'M HEADED FOR ANOTHER BUS TO COME TO THAT SAME SPOT.
NOW I TO CALL A CAB AND I JUST SPENT HALF MY DAY'S WAGES.
WELL, AGAIN, I WOULD THINK THIS MIGHT, I THINK MIKE I'M EMBARRASSED.
I CAN'T REMEMBER HIS LAST NAME.
IN FACT, I'M SURE IF I WENT BACK TO MY MINUTES, I COULD, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK WE OUGHT TO LOOP HIM INTO THIS CONVERSATION AND BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, JOEY, IF OUR PURPOSE IS CHANGING, THEN WE NEED TO WHERE WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT IT, LOOKING AT MORE THINGS.
BUT I THINK MORIN'S THAT REPORT TONIGHT IS, I MEAN, THAT'S UNLIKE LATASHA, YOU HEAR THAT 16.7% POVERTY AND YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO TO, TO IMPROVE THINGS? YEAH.
THAT'S THE NEWEST ONE WE JUST GOT.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO IT? IF WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND IT, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO IT SMARTLY? SO WE'RE NOT JUST ADDING ON ADDING ROUTES TO ADD ROUTES OR TROLLEYS, SAD TROLLEYS.
LIKE HOW DO WE IDENTIFY THE PLACES WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET THE MOST BANG FOR OUR BUCK? MOST PEOPLE, THE MOST RIDERSHIP FOR THE TIME THAT WE'RE OPERATING IN THE TRUCK AND BELIEVING SCOTT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE STOP UP AT SHANANDOAH COMMENTS, UM, THE APARTMENTS, THAT WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT STEP.
WE'RE GOING THERE UP THROUGH THERE.
ANYWAY, STOP IT FROM MY HOUSE.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS LIKE, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE IT'S WELL, TO TAKE AN EXAMPLE OF A BAD EXAMPLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT STOPS, BUT LET'S SAY IT STOPS AT FIVE.
LET'S EXPAND TO EIGHT SO THAT MORE PEOPLE CAN RIDE IT.
IF NOBODY, IF NOBODY EVER RIDES IT FROM FIVE TO EIGHT, THEN IT'S A BAD DECISION AND WE'RE JUST WASTING MONEY.
SO HOW DO WE AVOID? I ASKED FOR THOSE METRICS AND I WAS GIVEN A METRICS ABOUT RIDERSHIP, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
I WASN'T TOLD HOW THEY'RE COLLECTING THEM OR HOW THAT'S BEING, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S LIKE, YOU CAN PAY IF YOU WANT TO, BUT THEY'RE NOT COLLECTING.
I MEAN, THEY SENSE TO GO ANYWHERE.
UM, BUT NOW I DON'T, THEY'RE NOT CHARGING BECAUSE OF COVID AND THAT SORT OF THING.
AND TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU TAKE THE TROLLEY AND SAY YOU WERE PAYING FOR THE TROLLEY 50 CENTS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND THE LINK.
AND THEY WERE LIKE, THE CONTEXT, 50 CENTS TO WALMART VERSUS 10 TO $15, ONE WAY, AND A CAB YOU HAVE TO GO TO WORK.
AND IF YOU GUYS GO ACROSS THAT BRIDGE ALL THE TIME, THERE'S A COUPLE OF PEOPLE YOU SEE WALKING OUT THERE FROM TOWN OUT THERE TO WORK AT TACO BELL TO WORK AT FIVE DAYS.
AND I ONLY KNOW THAT CAUSE THEY'RE IN THEIR UNIFORMS, THE STOPS LIKE STOPS ALL THE WAY ALONG.
SO IT'S MORE ACCESSIBLE TO GET TO A SWAP.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WALK ALL THE WAY UP HERE, THE COMMUNITY CENTER TO GET TO THE STOP.
AND YOU COULD GO, YOU KNOW, JUST ON THE MAIN ROUTES, EVEN THERE WAS MORE STOPS AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE.
IF THAT COST CAME UP AND WE JUST SAID, LOOK, IT'S A DOLLAR, BUT LUCKILY WE'VE EXPANDED OUR SERVICES.
WHEN YOU GET ON, GET OFF, YOU JUST TAKE YOUR TICKET.
YOU CAN COME BACK FOR A DOLLAR AT THE END OF THE DAY OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST KEEP YOUR TICKET.
I MEAN, IF WE MAKE IT LIKE THAT AND JUST MAKE IT EQUITABLE ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME OFF COMSTOCK SETTING FROM USE, THEN I THINK WE COULD REALLY LOOK AT MAKING VIABLE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION RATHER THAN PUTTING A LITTLE BIT OF LIPSTICK ON IT.
AND WE CAN MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER BY ACTUALLY LOOKING AT A LOT OF THE HUMVEES I USED IN IRAQ WHERE LIPSTICK ON PIGS AND THEY JUST, THEY DIDN'T CARRY THE WEIGHT THE WAY THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BECAUSE THEY JUST KEPT STICKING MORE STUFF ON THEM.
IF WE TAKE THESE TWO TROLLEYS THAT WE HAVE RUNNING AND WE JUST MAKE THEM GO FURTHER AND WE MAKE THEM DO MORE, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO MORE MAINTENANCE COSTS AND OTHER THINGS WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS AND THINK A LITTLE MORE STRATEGICALLY IN TERMS OF WHAT DO WE WANT THIS PROGRAM TO BE IN FIVE YEARS, FIVE YEARS, EVEN, WE DON'T HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
I'M REALLY STUCK ON THIS PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP BECAUSE I THINK THIS SOLVES A COUPLE OF NUTS SELLS NECESSARILY, BUT MAKES A COUPLE OF THINGS BETTER BECAUSE IF YOU CAN GET TO THOSE JOBS THAT THE SHIFTS THAT YOU NEED TO GET TO THOSE JOBS, BECAUSE THEY'RE PAYING AND HELPING WITH YOUR TRANSPORTATION, THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE, DECREASE WALMART TOO.
BUT I MEAN LIKE, YEAH, LIKE IT DECREASES THE POVERTY LEVEL.
IF YOU CAN GET OUT THERE IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT PAYS MORE THAN ANYWHERE, I CAN TAKE THAT TROLLEY TO WORK.
OR IF SHE WANTS TO GET A JOB IN A COUPLE OF YEARS,
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KIDS IN GENERAL, WE DON'T HAVE THE MOST WALKABLE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OR BICYCLE OR WHATEVER, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE NEED TO GET FURTHER OUT OR ACROSS THE BRIDGES OR WHATEVER LIKE THAT.LIKE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO SUGGEST, BECAUSE WE'RE ONE SIX, STEVEN, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE ONE MORE ITEM AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON TO SEVEN BECAUSE THAT WAS THE REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION.
AND WE PROBABLY GOT ONE IS COUNCIL COUNCIL EVENTUALLY.
AND THIS WAS GOING TO BE A JOINT DISCUSSION WITH WARREN COUNTY.
OH, WHAT? OUR PLANS WERE HAPPY, HAPPY CREEK PHASE TWO, THE ESTIMATE THAT IS NOW $24,000.
YOU MEAN AND UM, EVEN MINE ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO, IT WAS ABOUT 18.
SO EVERY YEAR IT'S INCREASING AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE MEGA PROJECTS THAT EVENTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS, ESPECIALLY IF GROWTH CONTINUES TO HAPPEN.
UM, I KNOW WE LOST THE DESIGN.
WE'RE STILL LOOKING INTO WHERE THAT DESIGN WENT TO.
I KNOW HE DOES HAVE SO WE MAY BE CRAFTING THE LETTER FOR, UH, THE MAYOR SIGNATURE ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN TO SAY, HEY, YOU NEED TO FIND THE DESIGN.
WE WANT TO FUND IT, BUT SOMEONE NEEDS TO PAY FOR THE DESIGN.
AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO AT LEAST PUSH TO GET THE FINAL DESIGN GOING AND RIGHT AWAY.
AND THEN WE DEAL WITH CONSTRUCTION LATER.
SO YOU DO, DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION FROM OUR INPUT TONIGHT ON THIS FYI 23 COUNCIL INITIATIVES? DO YOU HAVE ANY, HI, IT'S ABOUT $180,000 BECAUSE SOME OF IT'S FUNNY.
I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH A REAL QUICK, I THINK PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO PUT SEED MONEY.
WE'RE GOING TO PARK IT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TRY TO SEE HOW IT FITS IN THE BUDGET.
I THINK $5,000 FOR ADDITIONAL SHELTERS ARE NEEDED.
UM, THE, THE HR EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK, UM, I SAID, DJ SAID 35.
AND THEN IF WE NEED ANY MORE MONEY, I'LL ADVISE COUNSEL PRIOR TO MOVING FORWARD.
UH, THE BOND RATING, AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT.
WE CAN PAY FOR IT OVER TWO FISCAL YEARS, BUT I THINK AS SOON AS WE GET A CREDIT SCORE, IT'S NOT, NO ONE'S GOING TO WANT IT TO GO DOWN.
AND SO I JUST THOUGHT I'D SHARE THAT.
AND THEN, PLUS I THINK WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF OUR FINANCE BECAUSE WE HAVE A GREAT, GREAT SOLID, UH, FINANCE GROUP.
UH, THE, UH, AMI THAT'S ALREADY FUNDED, UH, THE, UH, DOING A PARK STUDY AND BUILDING THE PARKING MYTH.
I THINK WE'RE PARKING THAT FALLS INTO THE COMP PLAN, THE, UH, CURB AND GUTTER $230,000 ALREADY FUNDED THE STRATEGIC PLAN, LINKED TO THE BUDGET PROCESS.
AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK REALLY NEEDS SO THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD.
AND, UM, THEN THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN AT $15,000, WE GOT TO WORK WITH THE STATE TO COME UP WITH HOW WE ARE GOING TO GO ABOUT DOING OUR STANDARD.
UH, THE FLOOD PLAIN UPDATES NEEDED THE STREET STANDER UPDATE AS NEEDED.
THE LANDSCAPE STANDARD PLAN IS NEEDED ABOVE NOT TO, NOT TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE TOP, WE DIDN'T, WE ALREADY SAY WE WERE GOOD WITH, WE'RE NOT GIVING, WE'RE NOT GOOD WITH MAIN STREET.
WE DECIDED WE NEED TO DUST OFF THE ONES WE HAVE.
ALTHOUGH IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT NOW THAT WAS ALSO MAINSTREAM.
AND THEN THE GRANT WRITER MAY WORK WITH DR.
UH, NO RECOGNIZING THAT IF WE SAY NO, YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO PROVIDE THAT THE CHIEF WILL TRY HIS BEST AND HE'S COMING IN WITH, WE WERE GOING TO FUND ALL THAT I JUST MET.
I THOUGHT WE'D ALREADY KIND OF, I JUST WANTED TO READ THAT.
SO IT CAME UP TO ABOUT $200,000.
BECAUSE SOME OF THEM THAT YOU ALL ASKED US TO DO, WE'VE ALREADY FUNDED.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS STRONG REPAYMENT STEPS OR THIS ONE 70.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO SEVEN, IS THERE BE GOOD WORK GUYS? SO NUMBER SEVEN IS 23.
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AND I MIGHT OFFER AGAIN WITH ANYBODY LIKE A PIECE OF CHOCOLATE.LET ME, DURING OUR RETREAT, IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM, YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE CHIEF, UM, ABOUT THE PROGRAM.
SO SOME DATA ANALYSIS, BECAUSE WHAT I SHARED WITH YOU ALL, UH, OUR BUDGET'S TIGHT AND FOREVER, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST DON'T HAVE THE DOLLARS TO, TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE CHIEF.
HOWEVER, COUNSEL HAS THAT OPPORTUNITY TO REVISIT, UM, WHAT THE NEEDS ARE, WHAT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THUNDER.
WE, WE DID THE FIVE-YEAR AVERAGE AND YOU CAN TELL THE PAST FIVE YEARS, UH, HIS, HIS BUDGET REALLY HAS NOT GONE UP MUCH.
UM, AND WHILE, WHILE IT HAS GONE UP, IT WENT TO MORE, UH, OVERHEAD SALARIES AND INSURANCE, BUT HIS OPERATION BUDGET HAS CONTINUED TO DECLINE.
AND SO I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO THE CHIEF AND LET HIM ROCK AND ROLL.
AND WE'LL TAG TEAM THIS WHEN NEEDED.
UH, VICE MAYOR MEMBERS, COUNCIL.
UM, THANK YOU FOR GIVING US A FEW MOMENTS TO GO THROUGH AND ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS WITH WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE BUDGET AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT ARE GOING TO BE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD IS APPARENTLY THE SLIDE NUMBER TWO, SLIDE NUMBER.
YOU MAY HAVE PRESS WE'LL GET YOU ON THE FIRST PAGE.
THAT IS THE FIRST PAGE BY TWO.
EACH TIME DOESN'T LOOK LIKE NO, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'VE GOT THE, THE LAST PAGE.
THAT SHOULD BE THE FIRST PAGE.
THAT SHOULD BE THE FIRST DATE.
IT SAYS WORK SESSION HAS ENDED UP STARTING AT THE END.
IT'S NOT, THIS IS WHAT I HAVE IT ALL PREPARED FOR EVERYTHING.
ON THERE FOREVER, BUT LIKE THEY TOOK A PICTURE OF IT.
I THINK NOW WE'RE ON THE, UP THE WRONG SLIDE ONCE THE RECORDS SHOW YEAH.
THIS IS A BRIEF BRIEF OVER TO YOU AND I APOLOGIZE.
WE'VE BEEN, THIS SLIDE PRESENTATION HAS GONE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN EVERYBODY FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS.
SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I I'VE GOT TO PULL IT UP.
UH, SO 39 CERTIFIED OFFICERS EXACTLY.
THAT IS STILL REPRESENTATIVE OF WHEN WE HAD, WHEN WE USED TO HAVE A COMMUNITY RESOURCE OFFICER, OF COURSE WE LOST THAT POSITION.
UM, SO THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE LATER.
I THINK HE HAD SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT.
UM, SO WE HAVE 14 FULL-TIME AND THREE PART-TIME CIVILIAN PERSONNEL, UM, THAT ARE ACTUALLY OUR, OUR EMPLOYEES.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY MAVERICK IS GOING TO BE RETIRING.
WE WERE GOING TO DO THAT THIS MONTH.
WE'LL BRING, WE'LL BRING THEM TO COUNCIL NEXT MONTH TO FORMALLY RECOGNIZE HIM FOR HIS YEARS OF SERVICE.
UM, AND I, AND I HAD EMAILED YOU ABOUT THAT.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, YOU KEEP GOING AND YOU CAN TELL ME THAT LATE WAS CARRIED A WEEK.
WE CAN COVER SOME OF THAT HERE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY OUR, OUR MAIN MAIN DIVISIONS ARE PATROL INVESTIGATIONS AND COMMUNICATIONS, UM, COPY OF OUR ORG CHART AS IT SITS.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE'RE, UH, PATROL COMMUNICATIONS INVESTIGATIONS.
SO THERE'S FOUR OF US SWORN IN COMMAND STAFF.
UH, WE HAVE 26 1 PATROL OFFICERS.
WE HAVE THREE CROSSING GUARDS AND WE'VE ONLY BEEN ABLE TO KEEP ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS SEALED.
UM, WE HAVE EIGHT SWORN DETECTIVES, UH, 10 COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS, UH, FIVE CIVILIAN STAFF.
ONE OF THOSE IS ACTUALLY, UH, FUNDED BY THE HIGH INTENSITY DRUG TRAFFICKING, UM, THROUGH DEA.
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UM, WE'RE SIMPLY THE FISCAL AGENT FOR THAT.SO, UH, THERE'S ACTUALLY 53 FULL-TIME STAFF AND THREE PART-TIME POSITIONS.
THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY ALL FIELD YOU'RE AWARE.
UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE THE BIGGEST BUDGET IN THE GENERAL FUND.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GENERATE MUCH IN THE WAY OF REVENUE OUTSIDE OF WHAT GRANT FUNDING THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US AND THE TICKETS THAT WE WRITE TICKET REVENUES ARE GOING DOWN.
AND WE'RE GOING TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE WHY THAT IS, UM, SHORTLY SCHOOLS ARE THE LARGEST BUDGET IN THE COUNTY TOO.
I JUST WANT TO STAY, SO I TOTALLY LEAVE.
WELL, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE AN INSURANCE POLICY, NOT A REVENUE GENERATOR RIGHT OUT ON THE WAY YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT, UM, SO HERE'S THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES.
SO THE TOTAL IS LIKE STEVEN SAID, ESSENTIALLY AVERAGE FLAT OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS.
UM, THIS, SO THIS BUDGET THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, UH, W WE'VE SEPARATED OUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET ON ITS OWN, NOT SHOWING ANY, ANY, UH, OF THE REVENUE.
SO, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY BEING VIEWED IN ABSTRACT.
UM, SO IT'D BE, SHOULD, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT WE INCLUDED, UM, $93,500 TO STAFF, THE, UH, SEATAC, WHICH IS THE CRISIS INTERVENTION, UH, CENTER AT WINCHESTER MEDICAL CENTER.
ALL OF THAT MONEY COMES BACK TO US THROUGH THE GRANT THAT NORTHWESTERN COMMUNITY SERVICES BOARD PROVIDES.
SO THEY'VE CREATED THIS SPACE TO HELP STOP GAP SOME OF OUR MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.
UM, AND IT'S STAFFED BY SOME MANY OTHER, UH, AREA LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND ALL OF THAT MONEY.
WE'RE ACTUALLY SENDING HER OVERTIME THE AMOUNT OF HOURS AND THEY SEND US REIMBURSEMENT FOR THAT.
UM, SO THAT NUMBER IS SOMETHING THAT EXISTS IN HERE.
AND IT HAS SINCE I THINK, 2020, 22, OR THAT IN 2021.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS THE NORTHWEST VIRGINIA REGIONAL DRUG TASK FORCE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT.
AGAIN, LIKE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, UM, THAT'S A, THAT'S A $53,185, UH, PERSONNEL EXPENSE.
UH, THAT'S ALSO REFLECTED IN THIS, THAT IS A WASH BECAUSE HAIDA REFUNDS US THAT THOSE FUNDS, UM, HOW WAS THIS YEAR, THIS YEAR, THIS PAST YEAR THAT THIS SEA-TAC WAS ACTUALLY, I THINK WE STARTED THAT LAST YEAR WAS 21.
UM, WELL, NO, WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS.
WE DID A, WE DID A BUDGET AMENDMENT HALFWAY THROUGH 23.
SO, UH, ADDITIONALLY, OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE'VE INCURRED A COUPLE MORE ANNUAL EXPENSES THAT ARE REFLECTED HERE AS WELL.
UM, WE PAY $71,245 ANNUALLY FOR A RADIO SYSTEM THAT SERVICE.
UM, AND WE PAY A $32,440 ANYWAY FOR OUR WATCHGUARD CAMERA SYSTEM LEASE, WHICH IS A FIVE-YEAR PROGRAM THAT WE'VE BEEN PAYING SINCE LAST YEAR.
IS THAT IN FUTURE SLIDES? YEAH, IT'S ALSO INCLUDED IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET.
UM, SO IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT WE MAINTAIN OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY OVER THE PAST, UH, SIX YEARS AND W ALL WHILE.
SO I KINDA, I KIND OF LOOK AT THIS, THE PERSONNEL AND FRINGE BUDGET, KIND OF SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL OVER THAT COMES FROM THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE, LIKE THE MERIT INCREASES LATER.
YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT POLICE DEPARTMENTS NOT ASKING FOR ANYMORE.
THAT'S THE 4% AVERAGE THAT THE ENTIRE TOWN STAFF IS LOOKING AT.
THERE'S NO SPECIAL FOR THE POLICE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S THE SAME IN, AS OUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT MERIT INCREASE IS BASED ON THE KNEE OF THE PAY BAND, THE PAY GRADE.
UH, SO SOME EMPLOYEES GET 2%, SOME EMPLOYEES GET 6%, BUT IT AVERAGES OUT TO 4% ACROSS THE TOWN.
UM, SO OUR, OUR, AGAIN, OUR CAPITAL BUDGET KNOW, YOU SEE THOSE NUMBERS THERE THAT REFLECTS THE CAMERA SYSTEM, THE RADIO SYSTEMS, UM, AND THE, UH, SO AGAIN, THAT PART OF IT'S KIND OF OUT OF OUR CONTROL AS WELL.
SO IN THE PAST SIX YEARS, WE'VE ACTUALLY, EVEN AS THINGS HAVE GOTTEN MORE EXPENSIVE, WE WE'VE ACTUALLY CUT TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE AT NOW.
IT'S BEEN A 22% CUT ON THE PAST IN THE WORLD.
DID WE NOT DO? AND I FIND 1990, I WAS LIKE, IT'S BEEN VERY TIGHT THE PAST FEW YEARS.
WELL, WE DIDN'T WANT ANY VEHICLES FOR PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
UM, SO AGAIN, THOSE, UM, THOSE SIGNIFICANT ADDITIONAL EXPENSES THAT, THAT I DISCUSSED, UM, HAVE INCURRED SINCE 27.
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UM, MOST OF THE SIGNIFICANT ONES WHICH COME OUT TO ROUGHLY $250,000 HAVE OCCURRED SINCE 20, 20, 20, 21.UM, AND WE'RE STILL KEEPING THAT WE'VE STILL CUT THAT NUMBER DOWN.
UM, AS FAR AS CALLS FOR SERVICE, WE SEE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DIP FROM 2019 TO 20 20 20, OBVIOUSLY IN COVID, UH, PRETTY MUCH FLOOR ON A LOT OF THINGS.
UH, WE HAD A LOT LESS CALLS FOR SERVICE DURING THAT TIME.
UM, THEY'RE STARTING TO TREND, THEY TURNED IT BACK UP OVER THE PAST YEAR AND ARE, ARE STARTING TO RISE, UM, ARRESTS AGAIN, FOLLOW THAT SAME TRAJECTORY AND WENT DOWN IN 2020.
UM, YOU'LL NOTE THAT, UH, THE ARRESTS CONTINUED TO FALL RATHER THAN RISE IN 21.
UM, THERE'S, THAT'S ATTRIBUTABLE TO SEVERAL THINGS.
UM, SOME IS THE CONTINUATION OF COVID 19 INTO THE EARLY PART OF THE YEAR, UM, LEGISLATION THROUGH OUT THE YEAR ALSO IMPACTED ARREST NUMBERS.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT ARRESTING PEOPLE FOR MARIJUANA ANYMORE, SO THAT THOSE NUMBERS DISAPPEARED.
UM, LEGISLATION ALSO DIS UH, DECREASED THE ABILITY TO MAKE TRAFFIC STOPS, UH, BASED ON THINGS LIKE HEADLIGHTS, BEING OUT TAILLIGHTS, BEING HELD EXPIRED REGISTRATION FOR THREE MONTHS, EXPIRED INSPECTIONS FOR THREE MONTHS, TINTED WINDOWS, THOSE TYPES OF SAFETY VIOLATIONS.
UM, AND THAT WAS DUE TO LEGISLATIVE CHANGES IN THE LAW.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR FOR OTHERS.
UM, AND THEN THE, UH, FURTHER ATTRIBUTABLE BE THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS, PARTICULARLY OF, UM, 2021, OUR STAFFING LEVELS DROPPED PRETTY HEAVILY.
WE'VE, WE'VE ACTUALLY ONLY MAINTAINED FULL PATROL STAFFING FOR ABOUT A WEEK SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IN 2017, THERE WAS, THERE WAS ONE WEEK AND IN 2020 MID MIDWAY THROUGH THE YEAR WHERE I HAD HIRED AN OFFICER AND WAS REALLY EXCITED THAT I WAS FULLY STAFFED IN PATROL.
AND THEN BY FRIDAY I HAD A, I HAD A RESIGNATION ON MY DESK, SO WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN ONE DOWN.
UM, BUT WE WERE, UH, FIVE DOWN, UH, AS OF THE PAST FEW MONTHS, I'VE GOT FOUR HIRED, TWO FULL TIMERS THAT HAVE JUST STARTED, UM, THAT ARE ALREADY CERTIFIED.
AND I'VE GOT TWO THAT STARTED IN THE POLICE ACADEMY YESTERDAY ACTUALLY HAD THE HONOR OF, OF INSTRUCTING TO THEM, UH, EARLIER THIS MORNING.
SO I'M EXCITED TO GET THEM THROUGH AND OUT ON THE STREET.
UM, UH, THE, THE DECREASE IN ARREST IS, IS, UH, FURTHER IMPACTED BY OUR NARCOTICS CANINE SITUATION.
SO WE'VE STILL GOT BOSCO, BUT HE, HE STILL CAN'T WORK DRUGS.
BOTH THOSE DOGS WERE IMPRINTED WITH THE ODOR OF MARIJUANA, SO THEY, THEY'RE NOT USABLE ON THE STREET AS NARCOTICS, CANINES AND LONGER, UH, BOSCO.
WE WERE ABLE TO SAVE, HE'S A HIGH DRIVE GERMAN SHEPHERD CANINE, SO WE CAN STILL USE HIM FOR PATROL APPREHENSION WORK.
UM, BUT MAVERICK, UNFORTUNATELY HE'S A BIG LOVABLE, UH, BLACK LAB AND IS NOT GOING TO BE A BAD GUY BITER, BUT HE'S REALLY GOT TO FIND A NOTE.
UNFORTUNATELY, HE'S BEEN LEGISLATED OUT OF A JOB, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE CANINES.
AND I CAN, UH, COULD I JUST COMMENT ON THAT? CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I SHARE WITH KALES AND THINGS ASKING ABOUT RETIRING MAVERICK, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS MENTIONING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF WITH THE NEW LEGISLATURE AND A NEW LEGISLATIVE SESSION, IF THINGS WOULD BE CHANGING AND THEN THINGS WOULD BE COMING BACK OR EVEN IF NOT, UM, I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE ARE POLICE WORMS ALL ACROSS THE STATE THAT LOST AN INVESTMENT WHEN THEY, YOU KNOW, WHEN EVERYTHING WAS CHANGED AND, AND, UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, WITH EACH ONE WITH THEIR TRAINING AND WHAT EACH COMMUNITY INVESTED IN THOSE CANINES, WHERE THEY, YOU KNOW, WHERE SOMEBODY'S GONNA LOOK AT A WAY TO, UH, COMPENSATE THE COMMUNITIES AND THE MONEY, BECAUSE IF WE HAVE TO GET NEW CANINES AND NEW TRAINING, THEN YOU BASICALLY JUST THREW AWAY THAT MONEY.
UM, SO, SO I, I D I, AND ALSO WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP ON SUNDAY, I GUESS, TO THE NEW LEGISLATURE, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT AN EXTRA 26 TO POLICE DEPARTMENTS THAT WE'RE ASKING THE LEGISLATURE.
I WANT TO WEAR, THAT'S GOING TO GO WITH THAT.
BUT I WAS JUST, I, I, YEAH, THERE'S A COUPLE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I THINK CAN REIKO LOS 13 CANINES, PRINCE WILLIAM, I THINK LOST EIGHT.
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UM, AND THAT, THAT, OF COURSE, THAT'S NOT ALL OF THEIR CANINES.THAT'S JUST THE ONES THAT WERE IMPRINTED WITH MARIJUANA, WITH THE MARIJUANA OVER.
UM, SO, AND WE, WE DID, WE, YOU KNOW, IMMEDIATELY WHEN THE LEGISLATION CAME OUT, WE WERE LIKE, OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH.
BUT WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT ALL OF US THAT JUST PURCHASE DOGS TO DO THE JOB, AND NOW THEY CAN'T DO THE JOB, UM, AND MAJOR.
AND I JUST WANT HER TO DRAFTED A LETTER AND SENT IT TO SENATOR VOGEL AND ALL OF THE, UH, UH, CARSON BOGLE AND EVERYBODY THAT WAS ON THE, UM, UH, FINANCE COMMITTEE.
UM, AND I SENT AN EMAIL TO, UH, SENATOR RUBBISHY, MYSELF AND NATE RESPONSE.
UH, SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED, UM, WE TRIED, UM, SO YEAH, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO PUT NARCOTIC CANINES ANS BACK ON THE STREET THAT ARE NOT IMPRINTED WITH MARIJUANA THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, OUR DOGS WERE MAKING A LOT OF GOOD SEIZURES, NOT NECESSARILY MARIJUANA, BUT THEY WERE, THEY WERE FINDING A LOT OF METH, A LOT OF HEROIN, A LOT OF PILLS, UM, BEFORE THEY WERE SIDELINED BY THE LEGISLATION AND THEY CANNOT, SO DO I GET, THEY GET, THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T.
SO YOU CAN'T RETRAIN, YOU CAN'T READ YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU CAME IN, RIGHT.
IT SEEMS THAT OTHER THINGS WERE FOUND BECAUSE THEY SMELLED MARIJUANA AND IN HER HAPPENED TO BE METH AND OTHER THINGS THEY'RE NOT TRAINED TO GO FIND THEM AFTER THE PILLS.
SO YOU WERE JUST THE IMPRINTED.
NO, THEY'RE IMPRINTED WITH ALL THE DRUGS.
THEY FOUND TONS OF TONS OF OTHER DRUGS, BUT SINCE THEY HAVE MARIJUANA, IT'S ILLEGAL TO MAKE A SEARCH BASED ON THE ODOR OF MARIJUANA, WHEN A DOG ALERTS ON A CAR, WE CAN'T TELL YOU WHETHER HE'S ALERTING TO MARIJUANA OR HEROIN.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH.
IT WAS, IT WAS ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING AND HAVING A LENGTHY CONVERSATION WITH OUR COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY HERE IN WARREN COUNTY, THAT THE ISSUE WITH THIS WOULD BE ONCE IT HAPPENED AND WHAT IT HAS SAID, THEY'VE SEEN IT ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH IS IF THESE DOGS ARE USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE, LIKE KAYLA WAS SAYING, AND THEY CAN'T DECIPHER THE DIFFERENCE.
AND THEY ALSO HIT ON MARIJUANA THAT'S GROUNDS FOR THE TRIAL TO BE THROWN OUT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WERE BEING SEARCHED AND SEIZED FOR.
SO THEY HIT ON METH AND MARIJUANA, THEN THEY CAN HAVE THEIR CASE THROWN OUT ON THE MARIJUANA GROUNDS THAT WENT.
WHAT A WASTE OF MONEY, WHAT A WASTE OF TAXPAYER'S MONEY.
IT'S A SHAME BECAUSE BOSCO, I THINK WAS KIND OF, I THINK HE'S FIVE MAVERICKS AT THE WAR AND ORIGINALLY IT GOING TO WORK SEVEN, EIGHT.
SO THERE'S THREE, FOUR YEARS THAT WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN OUT OF THESE CANINES THAT, YOU KNOW, BOSCO, WE WERE ABLE TO SALVAGE AND USE HIM FOR SOMETHING.
AND THAT'S THE MOST USEFUL, UH, CANINE THAT WE CAN HAVE.
BUT AGAIN, WE JUST TRIED TO PROTECT THAT INVESTMENT.
WE CAN USE FOR THE, FOR THE APPREHENSION MAVERICK.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S JUST, THERE'S NOT ANOTHER THING THAT YOU CAN REALLY UTILIZE THEM FOR, BUT, YOU KNOW, CHRIS, I'LL PUT THAT IN THE TEXT AND, UM, AND I DON'T WANT TO BE SIMPLE ABOUT THIS, BUT REALLY TRULY, IS THERE NOTHING, UNLIKE NOTHING ELSE THAT HE WOULD BE LIKE, I EVEN THINK OF, YOU KNOW, JUST AS A COMMUNITY OR FOR KIDS THAT HAVE ANXIETY WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY GO TO TAKE KIDS FROM HOMES, I KNOW, I KNOW WHAT I, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE POLLYANNA.
HE DOES MAKE EVERYBODY FEEL BETTER POPS INTO MY OFFICE UNDER MY DESK.
I JUST FEEL LIKE I JUST, IT'S SAD TO THINK THAT HE'S JUST OUT OF COMMISSION AS MUCH AS I, AS MUCH AS I HATE TO SAY IT, IT WOULD BE FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE FOR US TO TRY TO ALL RIGHT.
I GAVE IT MY BEST SHOT AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, CAUSE IT DOES, IT BREAKS OUR HEARTS.
I, YOU KNOW, CAUSE HE'S, HE'S AN OFFICER AND HE, HE PUT NUMBERS ON THE TABLE, YOU KNOW, THAT TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF DRUGS.
AND WHEN YOU SAY FISCALLY SO THAT THE PUBLIC IS AWARE OF WHAT TYPES OF THINGS DO THE CANINES, WHAT, WHAT EXPENSES DO WE INCUR OTHER THAN THE INITIAL PURCHASE OF, SO THE TOWN HAS ACTUALLY NEVER PURCHASED A DOG.
THE INITIAL CANINE, I THINK, CAME FROM CUSTOMS AT DUNE WHO PASSED AWAY, STARTED GETTING BACK.
UM, THE TWO CANINES THAT WE HAD NOW, BOSCO AND MAVERICK, BOTH OF THOSE WERE ACTUALLY PURCHASED BY THE POLICE FOUNDATION FOUNDATION.
BUT THE TOWN DOES COVER THE, THE, THE MAINTENANCE COST OF THE DOGS.
YOU KNOW, THAT BILLS TO, UH, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, NOTHING LIKE GARY SAID, NOTHING'S FREE.
UM, AND SO CAUSE YOU HEAR ABOUT THAT A LOT, THIS, OH, THERE'S FREE DOGS.
IS THERE NO SUCH THING AS FREE, YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO TRAIN THEM.
YOU'RE YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, WE PAY OUR HANDLERS OVERTIME TO CARE FOR THE DOGS WHEN THEY'RE OFF, WHEN THEY'RE ON PAY FOR THEM TO TRAIN THE DOGS, THEY HAVE TO BE TRAINED WEEKLY, YOU KNOW, NOT GOOD, BUT GOOD TO KNOW ALL THIS.
THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING, WELL, YOU'RE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE AND THERE WOULD STILL BE A COST
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AS MUCH AS I'D LOVE TO DO IT.I'VE BEEN TRYING FOR YEARS FOR A ROSCOE AND MAVERICK TO GET A FIREPLUG OUT THERE IN THE YARD, BUT THEY STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT BED.
SO I KNOW WE CAN AT LEAST DO A USE THE LIT ALL RIGHT.
UM, SO THAT KINDA COVERS OUR ARRESTS, TRAFFIC STOPS AND, UH, VIOLATIONS, MOVING VIOLATIONS, PARKING VIOLATIONS.
WE'VE KIND OF BEEN DEALING WITH THE SAME, SAME SAUCE AS THE PAST COUPLE OF, UM, PAST COUPLE OF SLIDES HERE.
YOU CAN SEE THOSE, UH, THE LAST TWO YEARS, UM, HAVE ESSENTIALLY BEEN CUT IN HALF.
WE HAD A FEW MORE TRAFFIC STOPS, UM, IN 2020 ACTUALLY THAN WE DID LAST YEAR.
UM, THE MOVING VIOLATIONS HAVE KIND OF PLATEAUED AT THIS POINT.
WE'RE HOPING, YOU KNOW, UH, TO SPEAK TO SOME WHAT SOME OF THAT LEGISLATION WAS GONNA LOOK LIKE, MARIJUANA IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
THAT'S GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS.
IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME IF SOME OF THE SAFETY VIOLATIONS WENT AWAY AND THEY REQUIRED YOU TO HAVE TWO HEADLIGHTS.
I CAN'T IMAGINE WHY THAT, RIGHT.
MAYBE, MAYBE THERE'S I I'VE HEARD RUMBLING ABOUT REVISITING THAT SOME OF THAT BEING RESITTING REVISITED, UM, I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT, UH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE ANY MOVEMENT ON, ON MARIJUANA AT THIS POINT IN HIS, WHERE IT IS, UM, ACCURATE.
UM, OUR PARKING VIOLATIONS HAVE GONE UP.
I MEAN, COUNCIL HAS EXPRESSED AN INTEREST TO TRY TO CLEAN UP SOME OF THE STREETS.
AND, UM, AGAIN, WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF GAUGED THAT EFFORT IN THE PAST ON HOW COUNCIL WAS FEELING.
UH, SO THAT'S GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY.
UH, SO HERE'S ANOTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO REALLY ADDRESS THAT WE'RE SEEING A LOT MORE OF.
AND WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN A HECK OF A LOT MORE OF DURING COVID TIMES IS ECS AND TDS.
SO IN ECO IS AN EMERGENCY CUSTODY ORDER.
A TDO IS A TEMPORARY DETENTION ORDER.
UM, EMERGENCY AN EMERGENCY CUSTODY ORDER, UH, REQUIRES US TO GO RETRIEVE THE PERSON THAT THE EMERGENCY EMERGENCY CUSTODY ORDER IS FOR.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN HOLD THEM FOR EIGHT HOURS WHILE THE COMMUNITY SERVICES BOARD HAS THAT PERSON MEDICALLY CLEARED.
UH, THEY DO AN EVALUATION, A MENTAL HEALTH EVALUATION, AND THEN IF THEY DETERMINE THAT THE PERSON NEEDS TREATMENT, THEY HAVE TO FIND A BED SOMEWHERE IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, UH, MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM.
UM, IT USED TO BE THAT, UH, THE TDO WAS ACTUALLY GOOD FOR THREE DAYS.
HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, UH, BEFORE KIND OF THINGS BROKE DOWN ON THE STATE LEVEL, WE GOT ISSUED THE TDO, THEY WOULD GIVE US THE PAPER AND WE WOULD DRIVE TO ANYWHERE FROM WESTERN STATE AND STANTON TO PETERSBURG, UH, WILLIAMSBURG, ANYWHERE.
THERE'S A STATE HOSPITAL THAT HAD A FREE BED TO DROP THIS PERSON OFF, TO GET THE MENTAL TREATMENT THAT THEY REQUIRED.
UM, AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHY THIS IS HOW THIS HAS BECOME PROBLEMATIC, UH, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA AND THE TIME FRAMES ON THESE, UH, THESE ARE ACTUALLY FLIP-FLOP.
WE HAD, WE DID HAVE A HUNDRED CALLS AND A 2020, BUT THEY WERE ACTUALLY 22 DAYS WORTH OF TIME SPENT ON IT.
SO, UH, THAT'S THAT EQUATES TO 520 HOURS THAT OUR OFFICERS SPENT ON THOSE HUNDRED CALLS.
SO ESSENTIALLY, UM, IF YOU THINK IN TERMS OF AN OFFICER THAT'S A 12 HOUR DAY, NOT AN EIGHT HOUR DAY.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN OFFICER FOR ENTIRE QUARTER IS SITTING ON A MENTAL HEALTH PATIENT OR TRANSPORTING THEM TO A STATE FACILITY.
THIS IS KIND OF UNPRECEDENTED AND IT'S NOT JUST US IT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE STATE.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A HUGE PROBLEM.
UM, WE'LL GET INTO THAT, JUST A, UH, A TOUCH MORE HERE IN A LITTLE BIT, UM, REVENUES FROM FINES.
AGAIN, YOU'RE SEEING THAT SAME TREND PATTERN.
UH, 2019, OUR, OUR, OUR FINES KIND OF SPIKED TOOK A BIG DIVE IN 2020 BECAUSE OF COVID.
UH, BUT ALSO, UH, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT, THAT THIS NUMBER HAS CONTINUED TO TREND DOWN IS BECAUSE OF LEGISLATION.
IT'S BEEN DETERMINED THAT, UM, IF YOU DON'T PAY YOUR, PAY YOUR FINES FOR YOUR MOVING VIOLATIONS, THE STATE USED TO SUSPEND YOUR LICENSE.
SO YOU DON'T PAY YOUR FINES, YOU STILL GET TO DRIVE.
THAT'S I GUESS BEEN KIND OF SOMEWHAT SOME OF THE WAY CERTAIN FOLKS HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND REVENUES HAVE GONE DOWN FROM TRAFFIC TICKETS STATEWIDE BECAUSE OF THAT.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
SO DO THEY, DO THEY, IS THERE ANY ATTEMPT TO TRY TO GET THEIR FINES, LIKE GARNISH WAGES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AND THINGS LIKE THAT, RIGHT.
I'M SURE GEORGE CAN SPEAK, SPEAK TO THAT.
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I'M NOT SURE WHAT, UH, ARROWS THEY HAVE IN THEIR QUIVER TO TRY TO COLLECT THROUGH YOUR TAXES, TAXES, MAYBE.BUT FOLKS, FOLKS THAT AREN'T PAYING THEIR, THEIR TRAFFIC TICKETS THAT'S RIGHT.
UM, WE ARE, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.
SO WE'RE NOT LIKE IF THEY DON'T PAY OUR FINE TO, TO THE TOWN, THEY DON'T PAY THEM TO THE COURT.
IF THEY DON'T PAY THEM TO THE COURT, THAT'S A HABIT THAT IT NEVER MAKES IT TO THE TOWN.
AND THERE'S AN END THERE AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY RECOURSE.
WE HAVE NO ABILITY TO COLLECT.
AND THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WOULD HAVE ANY ABILITY TO DO IT WOULD BE THE STATE, THE COURT, THE COURTS.
AND THEY'RE NOT DOING IT EITHER.
WELL, WELL, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE METHODS THAT ARE DRYING TO THE DEBT SET OFF.
I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING, WHICH IS COLLECTED FROM THE STATE TAXES.
BUT WHAT WENT AWAY IS THE ABILITY TO SUSPEND THE LICENSE UNTIL YOU PAY.
THAT'S NOT JUST RELATED TO TRAFFIC.
THEY ALSO STOPPED DOING THAT AND TO CHILD SUPPORT CASES.
CAUSE THEY WERE DOING THAT TO YOU.
I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS ALMOST CONSIDERED UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND WENT THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM AND THEY DETERMINED THAT SUSPENDING YOUR LICENSE.
I MEAN, IF YOU CAN'T WORK, THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO, I TOTALLY GET THAT.
I JUST THOUGHT, BUT THERE IS NOT JUST, I'M STILL DRIVING TO WORK.
I MEAN, IF IT'S BENDED, TECHNICALLY I REMIND WHAT FISCAL YEAR DID THE NEW LEGISLATIVE RESTRICTIONS ON SECONDARY OFFENSE, PULL HIM OVER.
THAT WAS LAST YEAR, LAST YEAR.
SO THE FYI 2021 NUMBER THEN THE, THE TOWN HAS TO MAKE UP THAT DELTA.
SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY AS AN FYI, 2019, AS A RESULT, THE TOWN HAS TO FIND NEW MONEY TO SUSTAIN THE FUNDING AND IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE TREND, UNLESS THINGS CHANGE THAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE AVERAGE HIGH POINT WAS 2 34, 2 76.
WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH NEW DOLLARS.
SO WE W TH THE NUMBER, SO THE LAST ACTUAL NUMBER IS THAT A 2120 TO 21.
AND YOU, YOU NOTICED THE 1 47, 9 TO THE 1 43, 3.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE OF ROUGHLY FIVE GRAND THERE.
UM, THAT LAST NUMBER, I MEAN, WE WERE JUST BG AND I WERE SPITBALLING WEREN'T SURE WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH EVERYTHING.
SO WE JUST PICKED A HUNDRED GRAND AND WE THREW IT AGAINST THE WALL.
WHAT DID THE CURRENT, WHAT WAS THE CURRENT NUMBER UP THERE? I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WAS DECEMBER 31ST.
SO REALLY, IT SAYS A HUNDRED THOUSAND, BUT, BUT REALLY ALL WE'VE GOTTEN IS ABOUT 60,000 OF IT.
CORRECT? I MEAN, IF YOU WERE TO CONSIDER THAT HALF A YEAR AND YOU DOUBLE IT, I MEAN, OR WE'RE GOING TO END UP AROUND, WE MIGHT BE AT LUNCH, MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
WE GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
WELL, THE POINT THAT YOU CAN SEE IN FYI 19, THOSE 4.8 GENERAL FUNDS, AND THEN IT SPIKED TO 5.2.
NOW IT COULD HAVE BEEN OPERATIONS, BUT IT CORRELATES WITH SCRAP OF 2019 A LITTLE BIT TO, UH, WHAT WAS THAT? 2 76, 1 47.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN COVID HIT.
THAT'S WHEN COVID, AND IF YOU GO BACK, YOU CAN TELL HOW THE, YOU WERE TO GO BACK ABOUT 10 YEARS.
SOME OF THE CURRENT CHALLENGES WE'RE FACING OBVIOUSLY IS RECRUITMENT RETENTION.
EVERYBODY'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND AGAIN, UH, WE'VE REALLY BEEN FEELING IT WITH THE S WITH THE LACK OF STAFFING.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE LOST SOME QUALITY OFFICERS, UM, AND, AND WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH, YOU KNOW, OFFICER WELLNESS, UM, AND FATIGUE AND BURNOUT BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING IN TO COVER SHIFTS.
UM, AND RIGHT NOW I'M STARTING TO GET MY PATROL SITUATION FLESHED OUT.
I'M, I'M DOWN FIVE COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS.
I'VE ONLY GOT 10 IN THE DIVISION, IF THAT DOES ANYTHING.
SO THOSE FOLKS ARE REALLY WORKING, UH, A HECK OF A LOT.
I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S TOUGH ON MORALE.
UM, AGAIN, WE'RE DOING, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO TRY TO BOLSTER ALL OF THAT.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST, ONE OF THE BIGGER CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE FACING US RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE NEXT IS THE COMMUNITY ORIENTED POLICING, UH, AND THIS IS DUTIES BEYOND THE TRADITIONAL ENFORCEMENT AND OUR REACTIONARY RESPONSE.
WE'VE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE LOST THAT COMMUNITY RESOURCE OFFICER, UM, AND KIND OF HIS ROLE.
UM, WASN'T REALLY JUST TRUDGING AROUND MAIN STREET.
HE WAS ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR, UH, COORDINATING ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY EVENTS, UM, GETTING WITH PATROL AND MAKING SURE WE HAD STAFFING FOR LIKE THE DOWNTOWN DOWNTOWN EVENTS, AS WELL AS
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THINGS OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN AND COORDINATING WITH THE BUSINESSES, UH, THROUGHOUT THE TOWN.UM, AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, DOING, DOING COP, UH, AT THE SENIOR CENTER, SETTING UP COFFEE WITH COP AT THE DIFFERENT PLACES AROUND TOWN, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO MANAGE ALL THAT STILL AS BEST WE CAN WITHOUT TAKING COPS OFF THE STREET AS BEST WE CAN.
SO WE'VE BEEN, UH, WORKING THROUGH THAT POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY, UM, ACCREDITATION, WE'RE STILL WORKING TOWARDS THAT.
WE HAD TO MOVE FROM NATIONAL ACCREDITATION.
WE HAD TO ABANDON THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH STATE ACCREDITATION.
UM, WHY IS ACCREDITATION A BIG DEAL? WELL, ALL THIS TALK ON GRANTS, UH, GRANT FUNDING IS, UM, YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT APPLICATIONS, THEY SCORE YOUR APPLICATION.
BEING AN ACCREDITED AGENCY, ADDS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF POINTS TO YOUR SCORE TO BE ABLE TO OBTAIN THOSE GRANT DOLLARS.
UM, BESIDES THE FACT THAT I, I DON'T SUSPECT IT'LL BE TOO MUCH LONGER BEFORE IT'LL ACTUALLY BE ANOTHER DAY, WE'LL BE REQUIRED TO DO IT.
UM, THIS YEAR WE WERE ACTUALLY REQUIRED TO DO A FAIR AMOUNT OF REPORTING ASSOCIATED WITH ACCREDITATION, AS FAR AS PROVIDING POLICIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH IS KIND OF THE DIRECTION THAT ACCREDITATION GOES IN, UM, WHICH I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH.
AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM DOING IT.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OUR, OUR PROCESSES AND EVERYTHING ARE BUILT AND READY TO GO.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF ACTUALLY GETTING IT DONE, UM, UNFUNDED BY, UM, FEDERAL OR A STATE.
WELL, WHEN THE S DCGS, WHICH WAS, WHICH IS A STATE ENTITY, UH, HAS REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO, UH, THEY, THEY, THIS YEAR, THEY LOOKED AT OUR PURSUIT POLICIES, USE OF FORCE POLICIES MORE AND MORE.
IT MIGHT'VE BEEN LESS LETHAL POLICIES.
UM, AND WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THEM JUST LIKE WE WOULD IF WE WERE DOING, UH, KNOW ACCREDITATION ON OUR ENTIRE POLICY AND SUBMIT THOSE TO, UH, DCGS ONCE YOU STATE ORGANIZATION.
SO AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE, HEY, LISTEN, NOW YOU GOTTA DO THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, SAME THING WITH CANINES THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT PROVIDING ANY MORE FUNDING.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU GUYS DID SEE WITH THE, UH, WITH THE FUNDING, UH, THE GOVERNOR ON HIS WAY OUT HAD APPROVED A BUNCH OF MONEY TO THE TOWN BOARD RIGHT NOW, VIRGINIA COMPENSATION BOARD, WHICH IS THE MECHANISM THAT THE STATE PROVIDES MONEY TO LOOK TO SOME LOCALITIES, TO PAY FOR PUBLIC SERVICE COPS, FIREFIGHTERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO MUNICIPALITIES IT'S ONLY FOR STATE OR COUNTY, UM, WHICH SOUNDS GREAT, BUT IT'S STILL, I MEAN, LIKE THE COUNTY, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THERE'S ONLY A CERTAIN NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THAT ARE FUNDED BY.
SO IF THE GOVERNOR SAID ALL CARDBOARD EMPLOYEES GET A $4,000 RAISE, WELL, THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO THAT BECAUSE MAYBE AT YOUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE, YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, 78 EMPLOYEES AND YOU ONLY QUALIFY FOR 58 EMPLOYEES IN THE COHORT.
WELL, THEN THE COUNTY STILL, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA WORK THAT OUT.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MANAGE THOSE OTHER 20 EMPLOYEES IN THE COUNTY PAYS FOR IT ON TOP OF THE COUNTY BOARD, OR PERHAPS THEY'RE PROVIDING SALARIES TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE HIGHER THAN WHAT THE COMP BOARD ACTUALLY PROVIDES EACH OF THOSE TO BE FUNDED AT THEN WHAT DO YOU DO? SO THE QUAGMIRE IS, IS DEEP IN, IN SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
SO, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RECOGNIZE IF, YOU KNOW, OTHER STATE AGENCIES AND COUNTY AGENCIES ARE UP IN, YOU KNOW, SALARIES, POTENTIALLY WE COULD LOSE PEOPLE TO THAT.
SO WE, WE JUST, IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE GOT TO MONITOR AND KEEP AN EYE ON, UM, USE OF FORCE REVIEWS.
AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO.
UM, WE HAVE A PRETTY ROBUST SYSTEM FOR THAT.
UM, ALL, ALL USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS ARE REVIEWED BY A SUPERVISOR.
THING GOES TO, UH, OUR INVESTIGATOR, SERGEANT WAS ALSO OUR LEAD DEFENSIVE TACTICS INSTRUCTOR.
UH, HE'S BEEN TRAINED BY THE FOREST SCIENCE INSTITUTE TO, UM, TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH AND IDENTIFY IF THERE ARE ANY POLICY VIOLATIONS, ANY VIOLATIONS OF, UM, FOURTH AMENDMENT, STATE CODE, FEDERAL CODE, UH, OR ANY CASE LAW.
UM, AND THEN I HAVE THE FINAL REVIEW OF ALL OF THAT.
SO WE GO THROUGH ALL THAT FOR EVERY SINGLE USE OF FORCE EVENT, AS WELL AS THE BODY CAMERA, UH, AUDITS, UH, SOME OF THE STUFF WE'RE DOING, UH, PUBLIC AND, AND TRUST AND TRANSPARENCY.
UH, AGAIN, I PUBLISH AN ANNUAL REPORT.
YOU GUYS HAVE HAD THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THEN THE NEW ONE SHOULD BE COMING UP NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE, UH, FABULOUS MANDATES COMMUNITY POLICING ACT, WHICH AGAIN, IT'S A GOOD THING.
UM, BUT IT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE HAVE TO DO AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT ALL HAPPEN WITHOUT ANY MORE MONEY.
UM, SO THINK OF IT IN TERMS OF EVERY CONTACT THAT A POLICE OFFICER HAS WITH A PERSON, IF THEY STOP YOU, UH, ON THE,
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ON THE STREET, IN YOUR CAR, OR THEY RESPOND TO YOUR HOUSE FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, A CALL FOR SERVICE OR SUSPICIOUS PERSON WALKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU STOP THEM, YOU GOT TO WRITE NOT ONLY A TICKET, RIGHT, BUT EVERYTHING YOU WRITE ON THE TICKET, YOU ALSO HAVE TO FILL OUT A FORM AND ALL THAT HAS TO BE, UH, WE ACTUALLY DELIVER IT TO THE STATE POLICE ON A MONTHLY BASIS.UM, BUT WE ENDED UP, UH, WE ACTUALLY PUBLISHED ALL OF THAT DATA PUBLICLY ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE AND WEBSITE, UM, QUARTERLY, UH, AGAIN, IT'S JUST ANOTHER THING.
GUARDIAN SCORE INITIATIVE IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
UM, I WILL HAVE MORE INFORMATION AFTER THE BA UH, CHIEF OF POLICE CONFERENCE NEXT MONTH.
UM, SO GOING BACK TO THE MENTAL HEALTH SITUATION, THE LEGISLATURE, I CALLED HER THE LEGISLATION LEGISLATIVE INCREASE IN TIMEFRAMES FOR TREATMENT.
IT'S ACTUALLY, UM, PART OF THE LAST EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT CAME OUT, POLICE, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES WERE ENCOURAGED TO WORK WITH THE STATE FACILITIES IN ORDER TO GET PEOPLE TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.
UM, AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE DEPARTMENT OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND DEVELOPMENTAL SCIENCES IS BROKEN.
AND IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR AWHILE.
UM, NOT TO MINCE WORDS THERE THEY'VE USED COVID AS AN EXCUSE.
THEY CLOSED FIVE OUT OF THE EIGHT FACILITIES IN THE STATE FOR A TIME.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, IT USED TO BE, WE WOULD GET THE PAPER, WE WOULD TAKE THE PERSON IN THE HOSPITAL.
IT WAS A, IT WAS A PAIN BECAUSE AGAIN, PETERSBURG, FOUR HOURS FROM HERE.
SO IT'S, YOU GET A PERSON, IT TAKES THEM FOUR HOURS TO FIND A BED.
YOU MAKE A FOUR HOUR TRIP TO PETERSBURG, A FOUR HOUR TRIP BACK, YOU'VE GOT 12, YOU GOT A WHOLE SHIFT TIED UP IN, IN A, IN A CALL WHAT'S HAPPENED NOW IS WE'RE SITTING ON THESE PEOPLE FOR UP TO 72 HOURS FOR AN ADULT UP TO 96 HOURS FOR A JUVENILE IN ORDER FOR THE STATE TO FIND A BED.
WE, BEFORE LAST ONE OF OUR OFFICERS SAT UP AT THE HOSPITAL FOR 41 HOURS.
WE HAD A PERSON UP THERE FOR 41 HOURS, AND IT'S BAD ENOUGH THAT WE HAVE A COP OFF THE STREET, BUT THE REAL CRIME IS, IS THAT THE PERSON THAT WAS THAT WE TOOK INTO CUSTODY BECAUSE THEY NEED SERVICES, SPENT THAT 41 HOURS CHAINED TO A BED, BEING BABYSIT BY A POLICE OFFICER AND NOT ACTUALLY GETTING THE TREATMENT THAT THEY REQUIRE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE PURPOSE OF ALL THIS IS, IS TO GET THAT PERSON OUT OF CRISIS AND IN TREATMENT.
UM, THIS IS WHERE WE REALLY NEED SOME LEGISLATIVE HELP BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S COSTING.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST COSTING A TON OF MONEY TO ALL THE JURISDICTIONS, BUT WE'VE SEEN A SIGNIFICANT UPTAKE IN THE TIME THAT WE SPEND ON THIS.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE'VE HEARD ABOUT FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE NEED TO GET LAW ENFORCEMENT OUT OF MENTAL HEALTH.
WELL, THEY KEEP DRIVING US FURTHER AND FURTHER INTO IT.
MA'AM ANOTHER PROGRAM I THINK CALLED PEPPERS ADOPTED IT.
I THINK IT RAN IN LOUDON AS A PILOT PROGRAM, BUT THEY HAVE SOMEBODY, OH, THAT'S NOT A POLICE OFFICER.
THEY'RE A CIVILIAN OF SORTS AND THEY GO AND WORK TO TRY TO DEESCALATE, SEE WHAT KIND OF THINGS MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO THAT PERSON.
AND I THINK THAT HELPS WITH SOME OF THIS, NOT ALL OF IT, OF COURSE, BUT I THINK IT HELPS WITH SOME OF THAT.
UM, I THINK WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET IT IN OUR AREA.
I THINK, I THINK THAT A YEAR OR SO FROM NOW OR SOMETHING, THEY WERE ROLLING IT OUT ACROSS.
SO THE PROBLEM IS, IS ONCE THE ECO IS ISSUED, IT HAS TO BE SERVED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE IT'S PROCESS, UM, THE CTECH, WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE WE SUPPORT.
UM, AND AGAIN, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T END UP COSTING US ANYTHING BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE REIMBURSED THROUGH A GRANT.
UM, BUT THE THERE, SO THERE'S A POLICE OFFICER THAT IS SITTING STAFFING THIS ENVIRONMENT IN WINCHESTER MEDICAL CENTER, WE GET A PERSON, UM, THAT HAS A TDO.
IF THEY MEET THE CRITERIA, WE CAN TAKE THEM TO THAT FACILITY IN WINCHESTER, THAT POLICE OFFICER THAT IS THERE IS, IS SPECIFICALLY TRAINED AS A CRISIS INTERVENTION.
THEY HAVE CRISIS INTERVENTION TRAINING, AND OFTENTIMES, AND WE'VE HAD SOME SUCCESS WITH IT.
THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACTUALLY KIND OF DEESCALATE THAT PERSON TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'VE COME BACK IN AND HAD ANOTHER EVALUATOR COME IN AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY TURNED THE PERSON LOOSE RATHER THAN CAUSE THEY PULLED THEM OUT OF CRISIS, THE ESCALATE, SAME TYPE OF CONCEPT OF WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING.
UM, WHAT DO WE HAVE OFFICERS THAT HAVE BEEN TRAINED IN CRISIS? AND WE CONTINUE TO, UM, MY GOAL IS TO TRY TO GET THEM ON WITH, AT SOME POINT IT'S, IT'S TOUGH BECAUSE THE CLASSES ARE FEW FAR BETWEEN, UM, AND NOT ALWAYS LOCAL.
UM, BUT IF THERE'S ONE THAT POPS UP, I'M TRYING TO PUT I, AND I'M ACTUALLY TRYING TO PUT OUR DISPATCHERS INTO IT AS WELL FOR FOLKS TO CALL IN OVER THE PHONE SO THAT THEY CAN, BECAUSE IT INCREASES THE ABILITY FOR OUR FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO, TO MANAGE THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN CRISIS, WHETHER OR NOT THEY ACTUALLY ENDED UP GETTING, GETTING SENT TO A STATE FACILITY.
SO, UM, WITH NO RATES, I KNEW WHAT THE PROGRAM WAS BECAUSE I FOLLOWED HERE WITH A CONCERN HOTLINE YEAH.
WELL, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING
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ONCE, ONCE THAT ECO TRIGGERS PULLED WE'RE IN IT ALL IN, I D I, I, I THINK I DID READ SOMEWHERE WHERE THAT WAS THE, THAT THEY WERE GOING TO TRY TO ADDRESS THE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES IN BURDEN.I MEAN, I I'M, I'M PRETTY SURE THE NEW LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR THAT WAS PART OF LIKE SOMETHING SHE WANTED.
WE'VE THE PAST COUPLE OF TDO FORUMS THAT WE'VE HAD.
WE'VE HAD SOME STATE REPRESENTATIVES ON THE LINE.
WE HAVE CROWED LOUDLY AT THEM.
WE GET SOME PROMISES, YOU KNOW, IF I GET REELECTED, I'LL DO IT, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF THING, BUT WE'LL SEE, WE'RE, WE'RE HOPEFUL, BUT WE'VE, WE'VE CERTAINLY BEEN MAKING A LOT OF NOISE ABOUT IT.
I DO THINK THOUGH, FROM THE MENTAL HEALTH FACILITIES, LIKE, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT THEY'RE SAYING COVID, BUT I DO FROM WHAT I'VE READ, THEY'RE HAVING STAFFING SHORTAGES TOO.
I MEAN, I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT IS JUST, AND I GET THAT, BUT TO ME COVID AFFECTS EVERYBODY.
WHEN THE, WHEN THE PHONE RINGS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
AND UNFORTUNATELY THEY MAY NOT REALIZE IT, BUT THEY'RE IN THE SAME SPOT WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU GOT A PERSON THAT'S IN CRISIS AND YOU'RE THE FACILITY OF RECORD.
I MEAN, SO, BUT THEY'RE NOT SO, BUT THEY SAY AT THE HOSPITAL, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY, THEY, FROM WHAT YOU SAID, WHEN YOU SAID LIKE 72 HOURS OR 48 HOURS, THEY LITERALLY UP ON OFFICER HAS TO STAY AT THE HOSPITAL AND THEY SWITCH OFF SHIFTS.
BUT SOMEBODY HAS TO STAY WITH THEM AT WARM MEMORIAL.
AND IF THEY'RE LUCKY THEY CAN GET THEM INTO THIS OTHER SPOT AT WINCHESTER.
BUT JUST A LOT OF OTHER PROGRAMS, IT'S A TRAINED CLINICIANS, YOUR RESPONSE TO THE MENTAL HEALTH.
AND I SUSPECT THAT AS LIKE, THAT'S LIKE A PRETTY ECO SITUATION.
THEY WERE, THEY WERE ROLLING IT OUT.
I REMEMBER ACROSS DIFFERENT COUNTIES THOUGH.
IT'S FLICK HERE RIGHT NOW AND I THINK RAPPAHANNOCKS HAS GOTTEN ON BOARD.
THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS OF, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE'RE SEEING MORE OF THESE TYPES OF CALLS BECAUSE OF COVID, BUT ALSO THE STAFFING CRISIS THAT THE DBH IS HAVING AS WELL AS THE FACILITIES.
UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S, IT'S A PROBLEM.
IT'S NOT GETTING BETTER, IT'S GETTING WORSE.
AND I THINK WE'RE BETTER AT IDENTIFYING A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS VERSUS A CRIMINAL SITUATION.
I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE, PART OF THE EDUCATION PROCESS.
BUT SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T FORGET THAT SOMETIMES THEY'RE INTERTWINED.
OFTENTIMES WE HAVE, WE HAVE CRIMES THAT ARE COMMITTED BY A PERSON THAT SUFFERS FROM MENTAL ILLNESS.
SO IT'S HARD TO KIND OF SEPARATE THE TWO, THE CRIME, THE CRIMES BEING COMMITTED.
THAT'S SOMETHING YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT AND WHAT THE RESPONSE OKAY.
UH, OUR DEPARTMENT INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO, UM, OUR COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEM, YOU GUYS HAVE KIND OF TOUCHED ON THIS.
MOTOROLA IS JUST INVESTOR PHONE SYSTEM RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
I STOLEN OR WATCHGUARD CAMERA SYSTEMS. UM, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE MADE BY MOTOROLA SYSTEMS. SO THEY INTEGRATE WELL TOGETHER.
ACTUALLY LAST YEAR, WE WERE ABLE TO GET, UM, JUDICIAL SHARE, WHICH ALLOWS US TO SHARE REPORTS, VIDEO PHOTOGRAPHS WITH THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY THAT WE USED TO HAVE TO PRINT OFF BINDERS OF MATERIAL AND EARN DESKS AND TAKE DOWN THERE AND THEY LOSE THEM AND WE GO BRING THEM OVER.
UM, WITH, WITH THE JUDICIAL SHARING SYSTEM, THEY ACTUALLY, THE COUNTIES KINDA LOST 30.
THE OFFICE ACTUALLY PURCHASED THE SYSTEM.
WE ONLY PAY FOR THE CLOUD STORAGE THAT WE USE IS LIKE 2,500 BUCKS A YEAR, BUT ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO MANEUVER THAT MATERIAL BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN SYSTEMS, UM, ARE LESS LETHAL FORCE SYSTEMS. AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF IN A TRICK BOX, WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF TASERS THAT HAVE GONE DOWN, UM, AND OUR LESS LETHAL MUNITIONS ARE, ARE NOT IN, HAVEN'T BEEN REPLACED IN ABOUT 20 YEARS.
UH, SO WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME OF THAT COME UP.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT YOU SEE A HIGHER RANGE SUPPLY BUDGET, UH, FROM US, UM, NEXT TALKING ABOUT THE FLEET, OBVIOUSLY THE BIG THING IS THE PATROL VEHICLES.
UM, WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 13 MAIN LINE PATROL VEHICLES THAT ARE ON OUR ROLL.
UM, TYPICALLY THAT'S ONLY 12, WE'VE PUSHED ONE BACK INTO SERVICE BECAUSE ONE GOT CRASHED.
UM, SO ONE OF THOSE WE'LL CALL THEM OFF WHEN THAT VEHICLE IS REPLACED.
UM, SO WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY SEVEN PER SHIFT.
UM, TWO OF THEM TWO BEYOND THAT ARE OUTFITTED AND ASSIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO, UH, THE CANINE HANDLERS BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE DARK CAGES AND, UH, AUTOMATIC DOORS AND THE VENTILATION SYSTEMS IN THE BACK.
UM, AND THEN LAST YEAR, A TOWN MANAGER HICKS, UH, WANTED TO TRY TO PUSH, ACTUALLY EXPAND THE FLEET, UH, SO THAT WE CAN PROLONG THE LIFE OF THESE CARS.
SO WE RE REFURBISHED TWO OF THE OLD ONES.
SO THAT'S WHY WE TYPICALLY HAVE 12 NOW.
UM, SO THAT ALLOWS FOR SEVEN ON THE STREET ONE THAT'S SITTING AROUND SET, SITTING AS A SPARE
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AND THEN THAT YOU CAN HAVE VEHICLES.UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT OUR PATROL VEHICLES LOOK LIKE.
NOW, IF YOU NOTICE, UH, TYPICALLY ONE OF THE REASONS THAT, THAT, UH, TOWN MANAGER X WANTED TO SEE ABOUT ACTUALLY EXPANDING THE FLEET WAS BECAUSE THESE VEHICLES ARE ESSENTIALLY, I MEAN, WE WERE ON TOM, WHAT A THREE-YEAR WE WERE LOOKING AT PURCHASING NEW VEHICLES EVERY THREE YEARS BECAUSE WE WERE, UM, WE INITIALLY STARTED, I THINK REPLACING THEM AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES, PUSHING OUT THE 1 25.
NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT ONE 50.
WOULD YOU WANT ME TO COME ON UP HERE? AND I'M SURE THERE'LL BE SOME QUESTIONS.
SO EVERYONE KNOWS HE'S OUR FLEET MANAGER DAVIS LONG.
I KEPT THINKING, I WAS LIKE, HE'S PROBABLY RIGHT.
SO THE, THE, UH, THE, THE MAIN PATROL VEHICLES ARE, ARE RUN.
WE CALL THEM, WE CALL THEM HOT SEAT BECAUSE THEY RUN 24, 7.
AN OFFICER GETS OUT OF THEM DURING THE DAY SHIFT.
AND ANOTHER OFFICER GETS INTO MIDNIGHT SHIFT.
WE PUT ABOUT 30,000 MILES A YEAR ON THIS CAR.
SO IT DOESN'T TAKE A LOT OF TIME TO RACK UP HIGHWAY MILES, OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO PETERSBURG WITH A MENTAL PATIENT, UM, THOSE ARE STOP AND GO TOWNHOUSE.
UM, SO THE, THE ONES IN RED OR IN THE CORE ON THE CORRESPONDING YEARS IS WHAT WE KIND OF FORECAST STUFF NEEDING TO BE REPLACED THAT, UM, WE HAVEN'T PURCHASED ANY, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY IN THE BUDGET CURRENTLY FOR THIS YEAR.
UM, LAST YEAR WE DID NOT PURCHASE ANY THE VEHICLES.
FORTUNATELY, WE, UH, KIND OF GOT THE RAW END, THE, WHAT APPEARED TO BE THE RAW END OF THE STICK.
UM, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE THAT WAS TRYING TO BUY CARS TWO YEARS AGO BECAUSE OF THE STEEL EMBARGO, THE CARS THAT WE ORDERED THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND THE YEAR BEFORE CAME IN ALL AT THE SAME TIME LAST YEAR.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD AT THE MOMENT.
UNFORTUNATELY, ALL OF THESE CARS ARE GOING TO HAVE THOSE MILES ON THEM AT THE SAME TIME.
I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY NEW VEHICLES DID YOU GET WITH THEM? ALL IN ONE YEAR, TYPICALLY WE WERE DOING WAS THREE AND THREE, BUT THEY ALL CAME IN AT ONE TIME IS WHAT HAD HAPPENED.
UH, YES, MOST OF THEM, SOME OF THEM ARE, UM, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT ALL THE FORD EXPLORERS THAT YOU SEE IN BLUE, THOSE ARE ALL PATROL VEHICLES.
AND THEN THE OTHER K9 VEHICLE IS THE, IS 2 95, THE TAHOE DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM.
THE YELLOW IS INVESTIGATIONS CID.
AND THEN THE, UH, THE ONES IN THE COLOR DRUG TASK FORCE, UH, TWO OF THOSE CARS ARE, ARE NOT ACTUALLY OURS.
W WE, WE KEEP THEM IN TAGS, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY TASKFORCE VEHICLES THE STATE PAYS FOR IN AND MAINTENANCE ON THEM.
UM, AND THEN THE AGREEMENTS, YOUR ADMIN CARS GOTCHA.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE VEHICLES GOT DOWN HERE? SO THE ONLY THING IS, UH, THEY, THEY, PART OF THE, THE, UM, THE DELTA IS THERE IS $200,000.
UM, THE CHIEF IS ASKING FOR NEW VEHICLES, AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEM DISCUSS ON THEIR, MY PHILOSOPHY OF HOW WE REPLACED VEHICLES, BUT YOU WILL SEE WHEN WE GO THERE, I DIDN'T MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS TO PURCHASE ANY VEHICLES.
NOT BECAUSE I'M NOT SAYING HE DOESN'T NEED IT.
I'M JUST, AGAIN, UH, IT'S WE HAVE A TIGHT BUDGET THIS YEAR.
AND SO FOR EVERY DOLLAR WE SPEND IN PD, BECAUSE IT'S GENERAL FUNDS, WE'VE GOT TO FIND A DOLLAR FROM ANOTHER DEPARTMENT.
AND WHILE I BELIEVE IT IS NEEDED, I'VE CHANGED THE REPLACEMENT, UH, UH, SCHEDULE.
I MEAN, UH, YOU KNOW, AND THE REASON WHY WE'VE DONE IT IS WE'VE HAD GOOD CONVERSATIONS WITH DON AND WE LOOK AT THE OVERALL FIT OF THE VEHICLE.
YOU KNOW, WE GO AHEAD AND CHECK THE ENGINE, THE TRANSMISSION, WE REFURBISH IT, UH, TO TRY TO EXTEND IT AS LONG AS WE CAN.
CAUSE I WOULD RATHER INVEST 12, $15,000 OR 12,000 TO GET AN EXTRA TWO AND A HALF YEARS, THREE YEARS AND SPREAD IT OUT.
THEN PURCHASING THE AVERAGE VEHICLES, HOW MUCH, UH, THE PEOPLE AROUND YOU RUN ANYWHERE FROM 30.
AND THEN WHEN WE UPFIT IT, THAT'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER, UH, 15, $20,000.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $60,000 A VEHICLE.
SO IF I COULD GET SOME OTHER ADDITIONAL VEHICLES OR KEEP THEM ON, IT'S KIND OF LIKE SHOES, IF YOU WEAR THE SAME SHOE EVERY DAY WEARS OUT.
BUT IF YOU HAVE DIFFERENT SHOES AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, IT'S NOT, I JUST WONDER WHEN IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T WANT TO FUND STUFF.
IF WE HAD THE FUNDS I SHARED WITH THEM THAT THE REVENUES WERE THERE, I WOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY, BUT, UM, I WANT IT TO BE SAFE, BUT I'M ALSO WILLING TO, TO CONTINUE TO RUN
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VEHICLES AS LONG AS THEY'RE, THEY'RE SAFE TO DRIVE AND A CERTAIN POINT, BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT US TO DO, AND I'LL TELL THE CHIEF, I DON'T WANT IT TO COMPOUND OR ALL OF A SUDDEN FOUR YEARS FROM NOW, WE GOT TO BUY SIX MORE OR EIGHT MORE.SO I WANT TO CHIP AWAY AND MEET THE NEEDS.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST, OUR FUNDING IS VERY TIGHT AT THIS POINT.
UM, SO JUST GOING BY THIS LIST, IF I GO WITH, I KNOW THERE AT ONE TIME WE WERE GETTING RID OF THEM RETREAT IN THE MALL AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
IF OUR GOAL IS 150,000 NOW, NOW I SEE 1, 2, 3 THAT ARE PAST THAT NOW.
AND WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR, THERE'S GOING TO BE A POSSIBILITY THREE, TWO MORE, RIGHT? THAT'S THAT'S OUR, WHAT WE'VE GOT PROJECTED.
UM, AGAIN, WE'LL TRY TO MANEUVER THOSE CARS AROUND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE CAN HAVE ONE SET, IT'LL SIT AND NOT RACK UP THAT MILEAGE, BUT THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE, WE TRY TO DO THE BEST WE CAN AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S, WHAT STEVEN WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS TRYING TO ADD TO THE FLEET SO THAT THEY'RE NOT RUN.
YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE WERE ABLE TO ESSENTIALLY ADD, WE ADDED TO, I THINK IF WE WERE ABLE TO BRING FOUR OR FIVE MORE, HE'D BE ABLE TO STRETCH THE LIGHT LIFE OF THAT CAR OUT SIX, SEVEN YEARS, RATHER THAN THREE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT RUNNING 24 7 CATEGORY AS WHAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT, THE ONES THAT A LOT MILEAGE.
AND THEN THE NEXT 1, 20, 23 IS THE PROJECTED 20, 23 IS PROJECTED.
BUT THE MILEAGE IS LIKE RIGHT NOW, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, THAT'S WHERE THEIR ANTICIPATED.
THAT'S WHERE THEY ANTICIPATED TO BE END OF 22, WHICH WOULD BE JULY, WHICH WOULD BE JUNE 30TH.
SO THE ONE THAT IS, IS, WAS TOTAL, RIGHT.
UM, IS THAT A FULL INSURANCE RECOVERY OR W WHILE WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM LAURA, FROM VML NOW? YES.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THAT, I KNOW DON WAS TAKING A LOOK AT IT TO SEE IF WE COULD POTENTIALLY BUY BACK THE VEHICLE.
THIS IS A LOT OF GOOD PARTS STILL LEFT ON THAT CAR THAT HE COULD USE TO PATCH UP, ACTUALLY EMAILED OUT TODAY IS ABOUT THE, UH, THE INSURANCE COMPANY, HOW MUCH IT WAS GOING TO CALL AND HOW MUCH WE'D HAVE TO SPEND TO BUY THE CAR BACK.
AND WE'VE ACTUALLY USED SALVAGE PARTS OFF THE VEHICLE RIGHT NOW, JUST TO KEEP THE NEWS ON A BOAT, SOMEWHERE IN THE OCEAN.
I JUST WANT TO COMMENT THAT I'M SO TOTALLY IMPRESSED THAT SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE WORLD HAS A 1997 VEHICLE.
AND AS WE DO AT MY HOUSE, UM, OUR HONDA'S A 1999, WELL, WE HAVE A HONDA.
THAT'S A 1997 AND MY HUSBAND'S SWEARS, IT'S GOING TO LAST, THAT'S ANOTHER HUNDRED 50,000.
SO WE SHALL SEE, BUT I'M IMPRESSED THAT THAT FORD TRUCK, THAT'S IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S AN AMBULANCE.
THE BAND OUT THERE ON THE TABLES, KEEPING IT RUNNING FOR US.
SO YOU'RE IMPRESSED AND WE'RE TAKING WE'RE TICKLED.
AND OUR PMI PROGRAM IS PRETTY DARN.
YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT OUR PMI PROGRAM, WHEN SOMEONE BRINGS THEM, WHAT YOU NORMALLY DO? UH, USUALLY THE OPERATOR COMES IN, UH, THEY'VE GOT A RE YOU KNOW, WHAT THE SYMPTOMS ARE.
HE'S HAVING PROBLEMS WITH VEHICLE IN THE, I MEAN, WE JUMPED RIGHT ON HIM.
AND THEN WE HAVE A PM SYSTEM THAT, UH, EVERY THREE MONTHS, EVERYTHING COMES TO THE SHOP.
IT DOESN'T GET AN OLD CHANGE, BUT IT COMES IN, WE INSPECTED AND FREEZE IT, SEND IT BACK OUT TODAY.
IT KEEPS US IN TIP TOP SHAPE, LITTER, FLEETING, FOR SURE.
THE MOM WAS, UH, THE, THE VEHICLES STAY THE SAME.
THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE'VE BEEN VEHICLES UP ARE THE TWO 17 TO 18 TO 19.
UH, WE CAN'T USE THE EQUIPMENT OUT OF THEM, SO, RIGHT.
THEY CHANGED THE BODY STYLES ON THE VEHICLES AND THE PARTS, THE LIKE THE CAGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT WILL FIT INTO THE, INTO THE NEW MIDDLE MODELS.
DON, YOU'RE NOT NEAR RETIREMENT ANYTIME SOON, OR, YOU KNOW, WE'LL JUST GO KNOCK ON SOME OLD, TINA HAS ANOTHER THREE MORE QUESTIONS.
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UM, OUR TASER INVENTORY RIGHT NOW, WE'VE GONE THROUGH IT.UM, I'VE GOT SIX THAT ARE STILL FUNCTIONING.
UM, OUR GOAL IS TO MAINTAIN 10.
WE WERE LOOKING AT A, AN, A PROGRAM TO BE ABLE TO REACH THEM OVER THE COURSE OF FIVE, FIVE YEARS THAT THEY CAME UP WITH 30 NEW PRODUCTS AND THEY WOULD SEND THEM, YOU KNOW, SEND US THE NEW ONES.
WE WOULD REPLACE THE OLD ONES ON THE PART OF THE PART OF THAT PROGRAM WAS ALSO THE INCLUSION OF, UM, ALL OF THE TRAINING CARTRIDGES THAT WE WOULD UTILIZE EACH YEAR CARTRIDGES TO UTILIZE ON THE STREET.
UM, AS LITTLE PRICEY CAME OUT TO ABOUT $47,000 FOR FIVE KNOW, BASICALLY NINE GRAND A YEAR.
UM, AGAIN, WITH THE BUDGET BEING AS TIGHT AS IT IS, WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST REPLACING, UH, AT LEAST FOUR.
THEN HE TRIED TO HAVE AN EXTRA ONE.
UH, AGAIN, WE USUALLY HAVE SIX, SEVEN OFFICERS ON THE STREET AT A TIME, UM, FOR REGULAR SHIFT.
UH, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE CARS.
WE LIKE TO HAVE 10 BECAUSE IF WE HAVE A FULL SHIFT AND THEN WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, A DOWNTOWN EVENT OR A, YOU KNOW, DUI SATURATION GRANT OR A SEAT SEATBELT GRANT.
AND WE HAVE OTHER OFFICERS THAT ARE ACTUALLY COMING IN TO WORK OUTSIDE OF THEIR REGULAR SHIFT.
WHEN THE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF A SPECIAL TYPE SITUATION, THEY NEED TO HAVE EQUIPMENT FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE AS WELL.
UM, BIG, BIG EVENTS DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHEN WE UTILIZE ALL OF THOSE THINGS, IS THERE ANY WAY TO REPAIR ANY OF THOSE TASERS? THERE, THERE ARE SOME THERE'S CONTRACTS THAT HAVE THEM REFILLED REFURBED.
THESE ARE SO FAR OUT OF WARRANTY.
UM, MANY, SEVERAL OF THEM AREN'T EVEN MADE ANYMORE.
SO, SO A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER TASER, WE NEED FOUR OR FIVE RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'RE AT FOUR TO 5,000, BUT YOU'RE SAYING, I'M JUST ASKING.
SO THIS OTHER SITUATION WHERE WE COULD LEASE THEM, IT WOULD BE 9,000 A YEAR.
FOR A YEAR, RIGHT PER YEAR, THIS WEEK, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND FOUR OR FIVE GRAND ON A TASERS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SIX THAT ARE 10 YEARS OLD.
MAYBE WE GET THROUGH NEXT YEAR.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MAINTENANCE ONCE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT KIND OF ROLL THE DICE.
BUT WHEN YOU KNOW YOUR BACKS AGAINST THE WALL WITH DOLLARS, THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE.
THERE'S THAT, UM, SERVICE PLAN WILL THAT ALLOW EVERY OFFICER TO HAVE ONE, THE ONE WE WERE LOOKING AT HAD 14.
SO NO, IT WOULDN'T ALLOW EVERYBODY TO HAVE ONE PERSON THAT THEY TAKE HOME.
I MEAN, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, THEIR AGENCIES THAT HAVE TAKE-HOME TASERS ACTUALLY, BECAUSE OF THE BATTERIES, THEY HAVE AN OFFICER BECAUSE THEY'RE DRIVING A CAR OR WHATEVER, WEARING UNIFORM, THEY WERE HOME.
W WE'RE WE'RE NOWHERE NEAR A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT A 10, 10 ON A SHIFT, WE HAVE SEVEN.
TYPICALLY WE, UH, WE HAVE BETWEEN SIX AND SEVEN, DEPENDING ON THE TIMEFRAME.
UM, BUT THAT, BUT THAT CONTRACT THAT HE WAS ASKING ABOUT WAS FOR 14, THEY WOULDN'T NEGOTIATE SOMETHING FOR SIX OR SEVEN WITH POTENTIALLY IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, THEN WE CAN LOOK INTO IT.
I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY A DUPLICATE OF YOUR SLIDE HERE WITHIN TWICE.
BECAUSE I WANTED TO, OH, DO YOU WANT TO ADD, BUT BECAUSE WE REALLY THAT'S THE BREAD AND BUTTER RIGHT THERE.
THIS IS KIND OF WHERE IT'S AT.
IT'S KIND OF, SO HERE'S THE PART THAT I KIND OF WANT TO DISCUSS WITH YOU GUYS.
SO THIS IS THE ACTUAL FIGURE FOR THE FIXED BUDGET.
WHEN I TALK ABOUT FIXED BUDGET ITEMS, THESE ARE ITEMS THAT I CAN'T REALLY MANEUVER, UM, FROM MY SEAT, UH, PERSONNEL IS WHAT IT IS.
UH, BJ PROVIDES THE NUMBERS BASED ON WHAT THE SALARIES AND BENEFITS, UH, COST FOR EXISTING PERSONNEL, UM, AND MAINTENANCE SERVICE AGREEMENTS, THAT'S FOR THE RADIO SYSTEMS AND ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE THINGS THAT WE ACTUALLY, UM, ARE COVERING EQUIPMENT AND SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.
THERE'S NOT MUCH WIGGLE ROOM FOR ME ON THAT.
UH, AGAIN, OUR RELEASE IS 30 TO FOUR 40, OR AT LEAST THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN.
UH, THE RADIO DESK SERVICE IS $71,245 FOR THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS.
I THINK WE'RE STILL, STILL LOOKING FOR THAT SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS, UM, $25,000 A YEAR TO PAY THE ACADEMY, TO BE ABLE TO SEND OUR FOLKS TO BASIC TRAINING AND, AND SOME, UH, SOME OF THE BASIC IN-SERVICE STUFF.
UM, WE'VE GOT $11,500 THAT WE PAY, UM, FOR OUR TASKFORCE MEMBERSHIP EVERY YEAR.
UM, AUTO MAINTENANCE JUST WENT WITH DON'S NUMBERS AT 32, 6 25 TELECOMMUNICATIONS, WHAT GRANTS NUMBERS FROM 16,700, WHICH HE'S ACTUALLY BROUGHT DOWN QUITE A BIT,
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UM, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.THOSE ARE OUR PSYCHOLOGICAL AND POLYGRAPH EXAMINATIONS.
UH, AGAIN, WE STILL GOT TWO OPENINGS AND I'M IN I'M, WE'RE ON THE HOOK FOR THREE RETIREMENTS THIS YEAR.
SO I'M LOOKING AT A MINIMUM OF PROBABLY FIVE HIRES IF I CAN KEEP EVERYBODY IN PLACE, UH, OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT YEAR, THAT RUNS AT ABOUT A $3,375.
SO THAT TOTAL COMES OUT TO 5 MILLION, 230, UH, $230,085.
SO AGAINST THE BUDGET THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, THE BUDGET ALLOWANCES, 5 MILLION, $300.
UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO IS $69,915.
AND THAT'S, BEFORE I BUY GAS, I EQUIP HER OUTFIT AND OFFICER, UH, ADDRESS ANY TRAINING OR CONDUCT ANY OPERATIONS BEYOND REGULAR ENFORCEMENT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, YEAH.
THAT FOURTH BULLET ABOUT THE DROP OF GAS OUT THEN EQUIPMENT.
THAT'S NOT IN THE, THE OTHER NUMBERS, LIKE THE POL WITH THE OIL.
AND SO I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT IN THE FIXED COSTS, CERTAINLY THINGS THAT I CAN'T CONTROL, I CAN'T MANEUVER, SO.
SO 5.3 IS WHERE IT WAS OUR ALLOWANCE.
5.5 0.23 IS FIXED COSTS THAT EXIST IN THE BUDGET BEYOND WHAT I CAN MANEUVER EVERYTHING ELSE.
I GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO RUN THE OFFICE ON $69,000.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, UH, HOW MUCH DO YOU, ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE MEETING IS OPERATIONAL COSTS CAUSE THIS 69,915 IS NOT RIGHT.
WELL, AND AGAIN, YOU, YOU SEE THAT LIKE, LIKE STEVEN SAID, THE BUDGET'S BEEN FLAT FOR THE PAST FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS, BUT WE'VE ALSO IT ALSO THESE NUMBERS SHOW ROUGHLY $150,000 WORTH OF SALARY THAT GETS REPLACED.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A WASH, UM, AS WELL AS THE, UH, OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST THREE YEARS, WE'VE INCURRED A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF CAMERA SYSTEM AND RADIO SYSTEM THAT PREVIOUSLY, UH, AT LEAST FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
UM, AND NOW, AND AGAIN, THE SALARIES AND BENEFITS CONTINUE TO RISE.
MERIT INCREASES AT 34 AND 34 WAS THE REQUEST YEAH.
AND HE EXPLAINED WHAT WAS THE MAYOR CREEK MERIT INCREASE THING, BECAUSE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY WHEN I EMAILED YOU.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT, THAT THAT IS JUST PART OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT THEY TOOK OUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ONE, BUT IT EXISTS IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
SO, SO WE DID, UH, BJ AND I RAN W WE, WE, WE DID, WE DID WHAT WE HAD TO DO.
W WE CAME UP WITH A BUDGET, TIT THAT 0.3 ALLOWANCE.
AND IT, IT, IT PRETTY MUCH, IT PRETTY MUCH TAKES THEM AT THE MERIT INCREASE.
AND IT'S NOT THAT IT WOULD TAKE IT AWAY.
I WENT FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE ACROSS THE FLOOR.
I WOULD HAVE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S 4%, MAYBE IT'S 3%, THAT'S WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO HIT THAT THE EACH DEPARTMENT RECEIVED THE ALLOWANCE.
THAT'S BASED ON THE AVERAGES OVER THE YEAR AND ALSO WHATEVER INITIATIVES.
SO AS WE CAN BALANCE THE BUDGET AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS, IS ALL GENERAL FUNDS.
AND SO AGAIN, OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE IN A SIMILAR SITUATION THAT HE IS A VERY LIMITED OPERATION AND WE TRY TO DIVIDE WHATEVER THE DIFFERENCE THAT HE PROVIDED, UH, PER EMPLOYEE, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE THE TRAINING AND STUFF.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT GAS, LOOK AT GAS AS TOWN, WHY WE HAVE THE ABILITY, ONE AREA IS, IS NOT GOING TO SPEND MONEY IN THE OTHER AREAS AND STUFF.
THE CHALLENGE OF IT IS THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT UP IS EITHER THROUGH SALARIES, MERIT INCREASES, OR INSURANCE PREMIUMS. AND SO, WHILE WE LOOK AT THIS BUDGET AND ALL THE DEPARTMENT BUDGETS, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN MAKE IT UP WITH THE EXISTING REVENUE.
ANY NEW REVENUE WILL REQUIRE SOME CREATIVE THINKING.
THAT'S GOING TO BE EITHER POTENTIAL TAX INCREASE, OR IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE US.
WHEN WE KIND OF, AGAIN, I'VE BEEN HOLDING OFF UNTIL FYI 23, 24,
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WHEN WE GET THE REASSESSMENT, THEN WE CAREFULLY LOOK AT HOW WE WANT TO EQUALIZE IT AND WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO MAINTAIN OUR SAME TAX RATE, BUT UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THE, THE ASSET VALUE IS INCREASED, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF NEW REVENUE THAT WAY, UH, THIS BUDGET IS VERY TIGHT BALTIMORE.SO WHEN WE'RE THINKING POLICE DEPARTMENT THINK OF GENERAL FUND, IF WE INCREASED HIS BUDGET, WISH I WISH WE COULD.
THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REVISIT SOME OF THE NEW INITIATIVES, THE COUNCIL INITIATIVES.
AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK TO PLANNING AND FIND 10,000 THERE, GO TO ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND PULL MONEY TO MAKE IT OFF.
OR THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS COUNCIL PROVIDES GUIDANCE, WHICH WE NEED SOON BECAUSE WE GOT TO PUT IT THE BUDGET TOGETHER TO SAY, XML FOR MERIT INCREASE AND TOWN EMPLOYEES PROBABLY NEEDED TO ABSORB MORE ON THEIR INSURANCE.
THAT'S THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT $900,000 IN NEW DOLLARS IN GENERAL FUND THE PLATELETS.
SO WE'RE FLAT, AND WE'RE GOING IN WITH ONLY WHAT SURPLUS WE'VE PROJECTED.
WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF ABSORBED THAT IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
JUST A LOT OF IT'S FUN FOR SCENE AND THE, AND THE SURPLUS ISN'T THAT SIGNIFICANT THIS FISCAL YEAR.
SO IN ONE SENTENCE TAXING FOR SOME THEM A 1% TAX INCREASE, WE'LL RAISE REVENUE ABOUT 30,000, $30,000.
SO THESE ARE ONE CENTER ONE ONCE A WEEK, BUT NOW LET'S KEEP IN MIND.
THERE MAY BE A, A SWEET SPOT BETWEEN HERE WITH THIS BALANCE OF FIVE, THREE THAT I'M WORKING WITH AND WORKING WITH THE CHIEF AND TRYING TO DO WHAT WE CAN, IT DOES STILL PROVIDE ABOUT WHAT 1800, 2000 PER OFFICER PER YEAR, YOU KNOW, WE TRAIN AND EVERYTHING, WHICH IT DOESN'T INCLUDE CIVILIANS AND STUFF.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE CHIEF AND I, WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WAYS THAT ONE, AND HE'S DONE A GREAT JOB.
FIRST OF ALL, HE'S DONE A LOT WITH LITTLE, I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT.
AND, AND, AND, AND HE'S JUST DEALT WITH SOME CARDS WITH THE NEW LAWS THAT IS HURTING OUR REVENUE, BUT THE MAIN THING WE WOULD BE IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE REVENUE AND YOU SAW, I MEAN, WE'RE SUPPLEMENTING $200,000, SO IT'S NO ONE FAULT AROUND THIS TABLE OR THE CHEAT, BUT WE DO GOTTA, WE GOTTA THINK OF SOME SUSTAINABLE FUNDING IN THE FUTURE.
IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, AS HE CALLED OPERATION DOLLARS TO BE ABLE TO CAUSE THE, THE DOLLARS, UH, THAT, THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, THEY'RE ALREADY OBLIGATED AND MIGHT AS WELL ALREADY JUST, YOU KNOW, CUT A CHECK OTHER THAN THE MERIT INCREASE IN THE INSURANCE.
BUT DECISION ON THIS WILL BE A DECISION FOR ALL OTHER 169.
THE, THE BONUSES THAT WE JUST GAVE AT THE END OF DECEMBER, I'M JUST CURIOUS THAT, WHERE DO WE FIND, WHERE DO WE FIND THE MONEY FOR THAT? CAUSE THAT WAS ABOUT WHAT 470,000.
IT WAS THE QUOTE UNQUOTE CARES, CARES MONEY.
THAT'S UH, AND, AND WE DON'T, WE DON'T GET THAT AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY, BUT THAT'S, I THINK ABOUT THAT.
IT'S TOUGH WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU TRY TO BALANCE A BUDGET WITH FUNDS THAT YOU WON'T GET EVERY YEAR, THEN YOU'RE SETTING YOURSELF UP FOR, IF YOU CAN'T DO THAT NOW.
BUT LIKE NEXT YEAR I WILL SHARE WITH YOU THE BONUS WHILE STAFF WAS APPRECIATIVE OF THAT.
IT'S NOT FUNDED FOR THIS YEAR, PLEASE DEPARTMENT, THESE ARE NUMBERS.
SO YEAH, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH REARRANGING SOME OF THOSE OTHER INITIATIVES THAT WE PUT UP, BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS ONE LEAVE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IN A VERY BAD SITUATION WITH NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO, I DON'T WANT OUR EMPLOYEES TO HAVE TO MAKE UP FOR THIS.
I'D TAKE GETTING LESS MONEY, RIGHT? CAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE EMPLOYEES THAT WAY OR HAVING TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE IN PREMIUMS, WHICH ARE ALREADY GOING TO GO UP REALLY HIGH BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT MANDATES AND SO FORTH.
SO I WANT TO TAKE CARE OF OUR EMPLOYEES.
I WANT TO TAKE CARE OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, WENT TO THEIR EMPLOYEES TOO.
AND IF THAT MEANS GETTING RID OF ONE OR TWO THINGS ON THAT INITIATIVE LIST, AND WE PUT THAT ANOTHER YEAR DOWN, I MEAN, DO WHAT WE CAN DO.
AND I DON'T WANT TO INCREASE THE TAXES EITHER.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT
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WORD, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I WENT ON RECORD AS SAYING ALL OF THE ABOVE.I SEE WILLING TO REARRANGE SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WE HAVE GOING ON.
THAT AREN'T AS IMPORTANT AS STAFF AND THE PEOPLE AND THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY, THE INITIATIVES, COUNCIL INITIATIVES, REASON WHY I DID ABOUT THOSE ARE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS TOO.
I MEAN, EVEN THOSE DOLLARS, YOU SEE OUR LIVING ROOM ONE IN THE ENTERPRISE.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN PLUG THOSE INTO THE BUDGET FOR ME.
SO YOU'RE SAYING EVEN IF WE WIPED ALL OF THOSE OUT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIND THE 434,000.
IF WE WIPED THEM ALL OUT, THAT'S ON THOSE INITIAL LIST.
BECAUSE I MEAN, THAT'S THEIR ENTERPRISE, AREN'T THEY MOSTLY ALL OF THEM.
NO, THERE'S ONLY THE ONLY THING THE ENTERPRISE IS AMI.
RIGHT? AM I AM THE FLORIDA DEBT SERVICES FOR THE FLEET? THAT'S THE ONLY THING.
I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT I'M I'M WITH LATASHA.
WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT, UH, YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK WE FIND IT BECAUSE I FEEL COMFORTABLE.
AND THEN I THINK THE CHIEF HAS AGREED ON THIS ONE, $200,000 OF THAT 434 IS FOR VEHICLES.
SO IF WE TOOK THE $200,000 OUT, THEN YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING AT 230, $4,000 A FINE WHAT HAPPENS? UM, JUST SO WE TAKE THAT OUT NOW, RIGHT? I'M ONLY THINKING ABOUT THIS, CAUSE I KNOW THEY'VE DONE THINGS LIKE THIS WITH SCHOOL BUSES AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WE WON'T BUY ANY THIS YEAR.
AND THEN TWO YEARS, ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, I'M GOING WITH THAT.
RIGHT? LIKE THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY GOT TO BUY, YOU KNOW, EVEN MORE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T PLAN FOR IT.
SO THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING, THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE.
WE BELIEVE THAT'S WHY HE'S PROJECTION.
WHERE, WHERE, UH, AND FOUR ESSENTIALLY BY ONE, BECAUSE WE ADDED TWO ADDITIONAL TO THE FLEET, SPREAD OUT THE MILEAGE, OUR REPLACEMENT.
AGAIN, AT LEAST WHAT I THINK GIVEN GUIDANCE TO STAFF IS NOT NECESSARY AT ONE 50.
IT IS THE, IS THE VEHICLE FIT.
AND ONCE DON SAYS NO, THEN THAT'S WHEN WE GO BACK AND FIND THE MONEY.
UH, SO THE THING OF IT IS HOW LONG CAN WE HOLD OUT, WHICH WE CAN UNTIL FYI 24, WHEN THE NEW ASSESSMENTS COME IN, THAT'S WHERE THE NEW REVENUES AND THE NEW GROWTH, AS LONG AS WE START GETTING NEW DEVELOPMENT AND STUFF, THAT'S ADDITIONAL REVENUE THAT HOPEFULLY WE WON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR TAX RATE TAX BASE AND TAX RATE BECAUSE WITH GROWTH, WE'RE GETTING NEW REVENUE OUTSIDE OF THAT.
UM, ONE OF THE OPTIONS WHICH I CAUTION RESERVE FUNDS ARE, ARE FUNDS THAT YOU TAKE OUT TO INVEST IN THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT.
IN OTHER WORDS, LET'S SAY YOU GET AN EQUITY LOAN, OR YOU WANT TO USE IT TO ADD ADDITION TO YOUR HOUSE.
SO IF YOU CAN SHOW SOME TYPE OF APPRECIATION, YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE AN EQUITY LOAN OUT TO BUY A WASHER AND DRYER OR FOR STUFF, YOU KNOW, SO RESERVE FUNDS SHOULD BE USED SPECIFICALLY FOR A ONE-TIME INVESTMENT NEED VERSUS STARTING TO TAP INTO, TO PAY FOR THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN IT STARTS GETTING RISKY, DIPPING INTO YOUR SAVINGS ACCOUNT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE, HOW WE COULD DO THAT.
ALSO, IT COULD BE A CAPITAL INVESTMENT ON OUR TO CIP, WHERE WE LOOK AT WAYS TO GO AHEAD AND PURCHASE A VARIETY OF VEHICLES, JUST NOT IN PD, FINANCE IT AND THE REVENUE THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY USE FOR THE GENERAL FUNDS, LIKE $200,000 OR WHATEVER.
THEN WE WOULD DRAW DOWN AND JUST LIKE A CAR PAYMENT IN ESSENCE.
UM, INSTEAD OF PAYING IT AS WE GO CASH.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S CERTAIN OPTIONS.
THAT'S JUST WHAT, WHAT RISK AND I WOULDN'T CALL IT RISK, BUT WHAT ARE WE WILLING TO TAKE THE TIME FINANCE STOLE TO GET IT DONE? BUT I THINK CHIEF, I THINK WE'RE COMFORTABLE IN DAWN BECAUSE I DON'T MAKE DECISIONS JUST, YOU KNOW, RIGHT HERE AT THE TOWN MANAGER, WE THINK WE'RE PRETTY GOOD FOR ANOTHER YEAR.
AS LONG AS WE KNOW, WE HAVE A REPLACEMENT PROGRAM AT LEAST FOR A YEAR OF A CAR, AT LEAST EVERY YEAR, MOVING FORWARD, STARTING IN BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT THE LOWER NUMBERS.
IN OTHER WORDS, FOR A VEHICLE, WE'LL SEE, BECAUSE WE'VE RAISED THE REPLACEMENT PERIOD FROM ONE 50 UNTIL DON SAYS, WHAT ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? UH, WELL, THERE'S NEW EXPLORERS.
THE TWO THAT WE GET BACK TO YOU, I
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MEAN, YOU WANT ME TO PUT A YES IN 2019 THE SAME WAY.THAT'S THE ONE THAT REPLACED THE ONE THAT WAS RED.
CAUSE IT IT'S, IT'S AT 1 48 33 NOW.
SO WHEN DO YOU THINK THEY NEED ANOTHER ONE OR TWO, 2024? THEY WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO BE HERE.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FOUR BY 2024 THAT ARE GOING TO BE THAT ONE 50.
WHATEVER WE, WELL, YOU'VE GOT ONE OF THEM NEXT YEAR.
ONE OF THEM NEXT YEAR WE'LL HAVE 171 OF THEM NEXT YEAR.
WE'LL HAVE 1 56 BY AND SO ONE 70 IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA MAKE IT TO 24.
AND I'M THINKING RIGHT DOWN, THAT'S THAT'S 200 AND 200, 8,000 HOURS ON IT.
THAT'LL BE, IT SHOULDN'T BE REDUCING THE MILEAGE ON MOST OF THEM BECAUSE WE WOULD THEN TWO EXTRA VEHICLES AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, THAT WILL HELP.
AND AGAIN, IF WE GET THE NEW ONE REPLACED BY THE INSURANCE, RIGHT? YEAH.
CAUSE THAT TWO 19, UH, NO, IT WAS TWO 17 THAT WE PUSHED BACK INTO SERVICE, UH, BECAUSE IT'S CURRENT, IT'S AT 150,000 MILES RIGHT NOW, GOT A NEW ENGINE.
I KNOW THAT WE, WE PUSHED THAT ONE BACK INTO SERVICE, UH, BECAUSE THE, THE CAR THAT WAS TOTALED, SO $200,000 OF IT.
UH, AND I THINK CHIEF, YOU, YOU SAID YOU TRY TO MAKE IT WORK AS LONG AS THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE.
SO THAT RELIEVES US TO $234,000, WHICH, WHICH THEN WE GOT IDENTIFIED AND WORKED WITH THE CHIEF, YOU KNOW, THE TASER.
I MEAN, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE ONES THAT I TOOK OFF.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, ONCE YOU PUT THAT POWERPOINT ON THERE AND I, I DID THAT JUST BASED ON COMBINATION OF AVERAGE AND THE BALANCE, THE BUDGET.
UM, SO THE, UH, WELL Y'ALL CAN LOOK AT IT.
I MEAN THE BODY-WORN CAMERA LEASE.
I THINK WE HAVE OUR STILL, WE CAN, WE CAN WAIT UNTIL ANOTHER YEAR ON THAT ONE, RIGHT? NO, THAT HAS INCLUDED.
UM, SO I INCLUDED THAT, UH, YEAH, THE ONLY ONES I TOOK OUT AS THE, AS THE CANINE FOR THE, THE VET BILLS, THE TASER REPLACEMENT AND THE FLEET REPLACEMENT AND THE TASER, YOU KNOW, WE CAN BUY THEM A THOUSAND DOLLARS EACH.
I SAID, I DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO BE OUT ON THE STREET IF IT'S NOT OPERATING OR NOT COMFORTABLE WITH.
AND HE FELT THAT IS SO, UM, WE CAN MAKE THAT NUMBER SHRINK IF WE JUST BUY FIVE TASERS.
AND OF COURSE WE WILL STILL HAVE TO BUY THE CARTRIDGES AND THE ATTORNEY CARTRIDGES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
UM, WHERE IS THAT? WHERE'S THE, WHERE'S THE TASER STUFF, WHICH ONE OF THE CATEGORIES IS THAT TASER REPLACEMENT THERE AT THE BOTTOM, WE HAD 4 75 IN THERE FOR THAT FIVE-YEAR PROGRAM.
THE THING IS THE NARCOTICS CANINE.
SO, AND STEVE AND I SPOKE ABOUT THAT AND I WAS OKAY WITH HIM TAKING THAT OUT.
I MEAN, IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE A NARCOTICS CANINE ON BOTH.
SO THAT WAY YOU'VE ALWAYS GOT ONE KIND OF AVAILABLE WHEN IT'S NECESSARY.
UM, WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW, UH, LAST WEEK, A CITIZEN MADE A DONATION TO OUR POLICE FOUNDATION OF $10,000 TO FUND A POLICE CANINE, WHICH WAS WHEN WE GOT TO THANK THEM PERSONALLY AND ARE PROBABLY WANT TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS.
AND ONE OF THE GO FIVES IS OUR EMPLOYEES.
LAST YEAR, WE DID TRAINING FUNDING FOR 52,800.
AND I THINK THERE WAS DIVIDENDS WHERE THE, UH, CAPTAIN KLEIN, UH, GOING TO THE TRAINING THAT WAS, AND THEN, SO WHAT HAPPENED IS AT 31,200 UNTIL THE CHIEF COMES AND DECIDES AND OTHER INDIVIDUAL THAT MAY WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT PROGRAM, IT'S WITHIN AVERAGE.
SO WE SAT DOWN AND WE LOOKED AT THE AVERAGE OR FIVE YEARS AND IDENTIFY, HOW CAN WE, OTHER THAN THE PETROLEUM AND OIL AND LUBRICANT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DON AND VJ AND US, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL DEPARTMENTS, IT'S LIKE A POOL OF DOLLARS.
WE TRY TO FIND THAT HAPPY, MEDIUM BASED ON THE AVERAGE AND BASED ON THE CHIEF'S NEED, AND THEN COME UP WITH A BALANCED BUDGET.
UM, AND, BUT I I'LL BE THE FIRST
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TO AGREE IF HE'S RIGHT.HE ONLY HAS $69,000 PLAY WITH, AND I DON'T RUN HIS DEPARTMENT.
HE KNOWS HIS DEPARTMENT BETTER THAN ANYONE ON THIS.
HOW MUCH I ASKED THAT QUESTION.
I MEAN, I DON'T, WELL, I MEAN, IN ADDITION TRYING TO FIND THAT THING.
OKAY, WELL, SO WE PULLED THE, I MEAN, IF WE PULLED THE, IF WE PULLED THE VEHICLES OUT FOR NEXT YEAR, UM, WE'D BE LOOKING AT PROBABLY WE COULD PROBABLY PULL 40 OFF OF THAT.
I'M THINKING I COULD PROBABLY GET THE TASER SITUATION, GET A BANDAID ON THAT FOR 7,500 AND SHOOT 40 BACK.
SO THAT'S 240, IF YOU TAKE OFF THE FLEET REPLACEMENT, UM, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT.
IS THIS SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO, I'D LIKE TO, I FEEL LIKE IF I WERE, YOU I'D BE LIKE, WELL, CAN I JUST AGAIN, IF I'M, IF I'M LOOKING AT, IF I'M LOOKING AT THESE BUDGETARY ITEMS IN SPECIFIC, I'M LOOKING AT THIS BOTTOM THREE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
ESSENTIALLY NOT GETTING FUNDED ANYWAY.
I'M LOSING THE VEHICLES, RIGHT? SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE VEHICLES THIS YEAR.
WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT 20, 24, WE'RE PROBABLY GOT TO BUY A COUPLE POLICE CARS, UM, TASER REPLACEMENT.
UM, IF I SHELVED THAT I CAN, I CAN PROBABLY GET THROUGH THE YEAR PURCHASING FIVE NEW TASERS THAT LEAVE ME 2,500 BUCKS TO BE ABLE TO BUY THE CARTRIDGES AND THE TRAINING CARTRIDGES FROM THOSE, UM, AGAIN, NARCOTICS CANINE, WE'VE GOT FUNDING FOR A FAIR.
BUT YOU STILL HAVE THOUSAND MORE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BETWEEN BETWEEN 2,505, 5,000 HOURS? UM, BUT THE, UH, YEAH, THE PERSON THAT MADE THE DONATION TO THE FOUNDATION SPECIFY THAT THAT'S WHAT THEIR FUNDS WERE TO BE USED FOR.
SO VERY RARELY DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPEN.
IF WE WANT TO GET ON PROGRAM, WE SHOULD ACTUALLY FUND IT AS A MUNICIPALITY.
BUT THIS IS, WE'VE GOT A COMMUNITY MEMBER THAT FEELS PASSIONATE ABOUT IT, AND THEN THEY WANT TO IT.
AND YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT, YOU JUST, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU JUST TOOK BACK 250,000.
IF I, IF MY MATH IS RIGHT, DON'T HOLD ME TO IT.
I'M A MATH TEACHER, BUT 240 AND THEN 10.
NO, I WAS JUST SAYING HE TOOK THE 200,000 OFF THE 40,000 OFF AND 10,000 OFF THE NARCOTICS.
YOU STILL NEED THAT OTHER 5,000, YOU SAID, OR NO, IF, I MEAN FOR, UM, 20 $505,000 TO GET THAT ANIMAL SCHOOL.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 250 THAT WE FOUND NOT FOUND.
I KNOW YOU WAS SHOT AT AND I DO TOO.
UM, SO THE OTHER BIG TICKET, I DON'T WANT TO, I KNEW YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WAS, UH, TRAVELING EDUCATION.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT HE JUST EXPLAINED THAT, RIGHT? WE BUMPED THAT UP OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S NUMBERS HAVE BEEN HIGHER IS BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO SOME SUCCESSION PLANNING OUR COMMAND.
STAFF'S GONNA GONNA BE ROTATING STARTING THIS YEAR FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT SAID IT'S GONNA LOOK COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
SO WE WERE TRYING TO PREPARE, UH, FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO STEP INTO THERE'S CAPTAIN ROGER, EVENTUALLY CHIEF ROLES, UM, AS WELL AS PREPARE THE AND SERGEANTS TO MOVE INTO THOSE POSITIONS.
AND WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO PREP THEM, OUR MASTER POLICE OFFICERS AND CORPORALS TO BE, YOU KNOW, PREP, OUR POLICE OFFICERS WOULD BE CORPORALS CORPORALS TO BE ABLE TO MOVE INTO THOSE SERGEANT'S POSITIONS BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO JUST SPRINKLE MAGICAL FAIRY DUST.
ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE PROMOTED.
GO FIGURE IT OUT AS AN ASIDE WITH THAT THOUGH.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, YOU SAID LIKE POSSIBLY SOME RETIREMENTS.
I KNOW IN MY LINE OF WORK WHEN PEOPLE RETIRE AND SOMETIMES THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A COST SAVINGS BECAUSE I MEAN, I'M NOT, I'M NO, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME OF THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT, BUT NOT A LOT OF RETIREMENTS.
CAUSE I KNOW LIKE SOMETIMES I THINK THEY WOULD LIKE FOR SOME OF US OLD ONES TO RETIRE BECAUSE THEN THEY CAN HIRE SOMEBODY ELSE FOR LESS MONEY.
SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING A SMALL AMOUNT MIGHT DO THAT AND THAT'S 20, 24 TO, WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING.
WE'RE GOING TO BE, WELL, I'M GOING TO LOSE TO THIS YEAR TO RETIREMENT, AT LEAST.
WELL, I'M GOING TO LOSE THREE.
I'M GOING TO LOSE THREE THIS YEAR.
UM, STEVE MARK, KEVIN KAUFFMAN, AND A NICE WARNER.
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CHANGE.IT'S GOING TO LOOK DIFFERENT OVER THERE.
UM, I THINK KAUFFMAN IS SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST.
HE'S GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN JULY AND SEPTEMBER.
IT'S HARD TO TALK THEM OUT OF THEIR RETIREMENT.
THESE DAYS, PEOPLE ARE READY TO HIT THE DOOR AT THAT REMARK.
I WAS GOING TO SAY TWO OF THEM.
I'VE ALREADY GOT, UM, KIND OF PLAN.
SO, SO WE'RE GONNA, IF IT'S OKAY WITH COUNCIL, I THINK WE'VE HEARD THAT YOU, YOU DO WANT TO TRY TO FIND SOME OF THE, THE, UH, THE NEEDS THAT I THINK WE'VE AGREED ON SOME OF THE ITEMS AND THEN PUT THE NUMBERS IN THEM THAT CANCEL COUNCIL INITIATIVES, UM, SHOULD SOME OF THOSE ITEMS NEED TO DRAW OR FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO FUND THAT, THEN DEVELOP A BUDGET, A BALANCED BUDGET.
THAT'S WHAT, UM, YOU, YOU WANT A BALANCED BUDGET AND A NO TAX INCREASE FUND THE PD, UH, REALIZING THAT MAYBE SOME OF THE ITEMS WE WOULD DEFER ON THE COUNCIL INITIATIVES CUTS IN CERTAIN AREAS, MAINTAIN THE SAME MERIT INCREASE, DO NOT PUT ADDITIONAL COSTS ONTO THE EMPLOYEES FOR THE PREMIUMS. AND, AND THAT'S HOW MY BUDGET RECOMMENDATION.
ONCE I DO MY BUDGET RECOMMENDATION IS, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS AND Y'ALL'S HANDS AND YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE ALL MEANS TO TWEAK IT OR, OR, UH, EVERYWHERE.
ALSO, I MAY COME BACK WITH SOME CREATIVE FINANCING LOOKING AT HOW WE, WE MAY BE ABLE TO, UH, IDENTIFY POTENTIAL OTHER FUNDING SOURCES THAT, UH, IT WOULD GO INTO MUCH DETAIL, BUT EVERYTHING'S ON THE TABLE, OUR RESERVES OR DEBT SERVICES AND OTHER OPTIONS.
I WOULD DEFINITELY RECOMMEND SCALING, GIVING YOU COUNSEL SEVERAL OPTIONS ON ONE, ON WAYS TO DO THIS .
AND WHEN YOU, AND THAT WANTS, THAT MATCH WAS WON, YOU GOT IN THE BACK OF YOUR THING, JUST WAVE IT AROUND IN A PERFECT WORLD.
THAT'S WHAT ABOUT THE BOARD IS WHAT I'M SAYING? OTHER THAN MY RECOMMENDATION WILL NOT BE A TAX INCREASE NOW THAT'S WHAT MAKES SURE EVEN ONE, JUST GIVE US A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW LONG, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE OTHER STUFF IS IMPORTANT TO YOU.
I MEAN, THE OTHER STUFF FALLS IN LINE WITH PUBLIC SAFETY.
SO YEAH, IT'S A TOUGH ONE THOUGH.
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT A TAX INCREASE IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, RIGHT? OR IN THIS WHAT'S GOING ON, I'M THE LAST ONE, RAISE MY HAND FOR A TAX INCREASE, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA SEE YOU.
WELL, I, IN RICHMOND THAT BIG PART OF IT, BUT CLEARLY IT'S WHAT I CAMPAIGNED ON LITERATURE.
ONE THING I, AND WE HAVE NO WAY TO KNOW THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN OR NOT HAPPEN, BUT THE ONE SMALL LITTLE HOPE OUT THERE IS WHAT WAS ADDRESSED TO THE LEGISLATURE ON MONDAY.
AND I KNOW I SENT THAT, WHAT IT WAS LIKE, IT WASN'T A HUNDRED MILLION FOR A HUNDRED.
HE WAS ASKING THE LEGISLATURE FOR, TO SET ASIDE A HUNDRED MILLION FOR, IT WAS LIKE TRAINING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN IT'S SPECIFICALLY SAID, CAUSE I QUOTED IT.
I DIDN'T PARAPHRASE WHAT I SENT YOU.
IT WAS LIKE 26 MILLION FOR POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
BUT IT DID SAY, BUT THAT WAS ONLY IF HOW DID HE, HOW WAS IT PHRASED? WHAT WAS ONLY IF THOSE DEPARTMENTS WERE NOT BE FUNDING THE CAT? OH YEAH, THAT WAS IT.
THAT'S WHY I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER WE'D BE DOING WOULD BE MEETING THAT IF, IF THERE WAS SOME MONEY THAT WAS GOING TO BE COMING IN, WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ARE PREVENTING, UM, SOME OF THE REVENUE GENERATED THROUGH VIOLATIONS AND VIOLATIONS AND ALL THAT.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT MAYBE AS A COUNCIL, WE COULD, I DON'T KNOW, WRITE A LETTER TO OUR NEW
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GOVERNOR AND EXPLAINED TO HIM SOME OF THE PLIGHT OF THIS AND MAYBE BAND TOGETHER WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE EXPERIENCING SIMILAR ISSUES, DEALING WITH THESE THINGS AND COLLECTIVELY SAY, HEY, LOOK, WE GOT, WE GOT DONE WRONG, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST LEGISLATIVE CYCLE.AND IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO BRING SOME OF THIS AROUND, THAT MAYBE WENT A LITTLE OVERBOARD, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT WE CAN LEVEL SET.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD MEAN ANYTHING.
I MEAN, WE'RE ELECTED OFFICIALS, RIGHT? UH, TO THE NEXT LEVEL, ELECTED OFFICIAL.
SEE IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING, I DON'T WANT THE POLICE PULLING PEOPLE OVER FOR AIR FRESHENERS AND THEN PULLING THEM OUT OF CARS TO SEARCH THEM FOR THAT AND GIVING TICKETS FOR THAT, WHICH IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU TOOK OFF OF THAT.
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO MAKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IN THE GREEN, ON BUDGET FOR MOVING VIOLATIONS.
SO, WELL, IT CAUGHT A LOT FROM US.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S THE ROUTE WE WANT TO GO BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE, IF WE WERE DOING IT THIS WAY WITH TICKETS, RIGHT? THEY'RE LIKE, OH, BUDGET SHORTFALL.
LET ME GO AND SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE I CAN GET FOR JAYWALKING FOR THIS, FOR THAT, BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE IT UP.
AND THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON FOR THE QUOTE IS BEHIND THAT THE NUMBERS ARE SIGNIFICANT DROP IT BASED ON SOME OF THE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES THAT WE'RE AND INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, NOW WE DO ARE STUCK WITH IT COSTS FOR GETTING ANOTHER CANINE OR, YOU KNOW, NARCOTICS SEARCHES AND SEIZURES, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO BRING THIS DRUGS OFF THE STREETS.
AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT.
UM, WITH THE CHANGES IN THE LAWS WITH MARIJUANA, OBVIOUSLY THE DOGS CAN'T SMELL MARIJUANA ANYMORE.
I JUST FEEL LIKE MAYBE WITH THE DIFFERENT LEGISLATURE, WE MAY HEAL TO THEM AS A LIT, AS A ELECTED BODY AND ASKED FOR SOME ASSISTANCE ON SOME OF THAT STUFF.
AND SOME OF THIS STUFF SHORT BALL WE'RE EXPERIENCING IS DUE TO THAT.
ARE YOU ASKING FOR DOLLARS OR ASKING FOR THINGS THAT YOU PUT BACK ON, WHICH HAS GOT A LOT OF MONEY? WELL, I SAY I SUSPECT THAT I SUSPECT THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE SAFETY VIOLET, NOT, NOT THE DANGLING OBJECTS AND PROBABLY TO A LESSER EXTENT WINDOW TIP THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT SPECIFICALLY LIKE THE HEADLIGHTS, THE TAIL LIGHTS, THOSE TYPES OF THOSE TYPES OF VIOLATIONS.
IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME IF SOME OF THAT CAME BACK, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY, WHICH SOME OF THAT STUFF NEED TO BE CHANGED AND IT WAS CHANGED.
UM, AND WE DON'T WRITE, WE DON'T WRITE TICKETS FOR REVENUE.
WE WRITE TICKETS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
UM, AND WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THAT.
WE'VE NEVER HAD CODERS FOR OFFICERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE, WE, WE WRITE TICKETS IN PROBLEM AREAS.
THERE ARE SO MANY, YEAH, THERE'S NEVER, THERE'S NEVER BEEN MY KNOWLEDGE IN MY THREE DECADES.
BEEN WITH THE COUNTY OR THE TOWN.
NO, NOT ME, NOT FOR HOURS, BUT I KNOW THAT IT HAS EXISTED IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.
CAUSE I'VE TALKED TO OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE, I THINK SOME OF THE BIGGER LINE ITEMS OR SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT IF WE COULD GET, UM, MY OTHER THING WAS THAT JOE IS, I FEEL LIKE WE COULD START REACHING OUT TO SENATOR OPEN CHAIN AND PEOPLE LIKE THAT WHO HAVE BEEN UNRESPONSIVE IN REGARDS TO THE FUNDS FOR THE CANINE.
HOWEVER THAT DOESN'T FIX THE F WATCH 23 BUDGET BECAUSE BY THE TIME THAT THEY GO INTO SESSION AND IMPLEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, WELL, THAT'S AT LEAST A YEAR OUT.
I DISAGREE WITH TAKING THE LEVERAGE AWAY I'M FROM, BECAUSE GUYS, LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING.
THERE'S NOTHING IN OUR CONSTITUTION THAT SAYS YOU HAVE A RANK TO DRIVE NOTHING, NOTHING IN THERE.
YOU KNOW? SO , ARE YOU DRIVING ON A SUSPENDED LICENSE? LET'S BE HONEST.
, THERE'S NOTHING THAT IDENTIFY AS THAT'S NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT, BUT PUBLIC SAFETY I DO BELIEVE IS IT SEEMS AS THOUGH PUBLIC SAFETY IS DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, ON THE RADAR IN RICHMOND.
AND, UM, I'M JUST HOPEFUL EVEN LIKE SOME OF THE MONEY, IF THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAINING, LIKE I THINK IN MY HEAD, OR MAYBE IF THEY GAVE SO MUCH MONEY IN THE ARPA FUNDS FOR TRAINING, THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE THAT IN YOUR CAT, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT ONLY TAKE $32,000, BUT IT'S $32,000.
WE DIDN'T HAVE, I MEAN, OR LIKE THERE'S TASERS.
WHAT'S WHAT'S IT QUICK, ANY WEAPONS SYSTEMS ARE, ARE SOMETIMES DIFFICULT.
I SUSPECT THAT A LOT OF THIS MONEY THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WILL LIKELY, UM, SHOW ITSELF IN THE FORM OF GRANTS.
WEAPONS ARE DIFFICULT TO BUY WITH GRANTS, BUT OTHER EQUIPMENT TRAINING
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FOR WEAPONS OFTEN CERTAINLY WORKED IN DRESS WITH HER IN THE COMMUNITY OFFICER WATTS ON MY HEAD.LIKE THAT WAS ONE OF THE INITIATIVES.
SOME OF THE THINGS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ABOUT PLANNING THIS AND PLANNING THAT, AND I COULD BE TOTALLY OFF BASE, BUT OUR NEW SPECIAL EVENTS COORDINATOR LIKE PLANNING COFFEE WITH, YOU SAID COFFEE WITH A COP.
I DON'T GENERALLY SAY COP, BUT YOU KNOW, UM, ARE THOSE THINGS THAT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE YEAH, MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE.
UH, LIZ LEWIS IS OPEN TO TRYING TO HELP US MUCH.
UM, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT, UH, CAPTAIN CHRIS KLEIN AND THE CHIEF, THEY DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB ON THAT IN TRYING TO DO THAT AREA.
UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CHIEF WILL HAVE TO, IF HE CAN REACH OUT TO HER AND DO ANYTHING A LITTLE BIT FOR NATIONAL MINE OUT THIS YEAR.
CAUSE THAT'S A BIG UNDERTAKING.
THAT'S A PERFECT, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT, WE HAD A MEETING AND SHE'S SHE'S SHE'S UP BEFORE.
SO NUMBER SEVEN, ARE WE, DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM US ON NUMBER SEVEN? I SEE MYSELF BJ ADD-ON WE'RE GOING TO HUDDLE UP, UM, UP TO THE POINT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BALANCE THE BUDGET, GIVE YOU OPTIONS, POTENTIALLY MAKE ART, MAKE THE TOWN MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION AND THEN HAVE THAT DIALOGUE OF WRAPPING IT UP.
WHEN, WHEN DID WE GOT A WRAP? THE BUDGET WAS TO HAVE IT TO COUNSELING FEBRUARY.
OH, WELL LOOK GUYS, DID YOU PLAY ON WAIT A MINUTE.
THAT'S THAT'D BE MONDAY NIGHT.
I MEAN WE'LL, WE'LL PRESENT YOU SOMETHING IN FEBRUARY WORK SESSION, FEBRUARY BIRD.
HE DID SAY THAT AMBER, YOU DIDN'T MISUNDERSTAND.
WE'RE JUST SO WE HAVE NUMBER EIGHT.
THERE'S SOME GRAY, UM, THE OPEN DISCUSSION TOWN MANAGER UPDATES AND IT LOOKS LIKE STEVEN THE RESOLUTION FOR THE ALL RIGHT.
SO, UM, LET'S SEE IN YOUR PACKAGE THAT, UM, WE'D NEVER, UH, WE NEED TO PASS A RESOLUTION FOR THE DMO.
UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S IN THE MIX OF, ARE WE GOING TO, UH, POTENTIALLY ALLOW THE COMMITTEE TO HAVE THE DMO OR NOT AND FEED, IF YOU WANT TO SHARE MORE ABOUT THE RESOLUTION AND WHERE WE ARE AND, AND HOW WE, UH, WE HAVEN'T PASSED OVER, WE NEED TO REDO THE RESOLUTION, UM, FOR US TO BE ELIGIBLE.
UH, WELL THE TALENT FRONT ROYAL WILL BECOME A DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATION DMO BY PASSING THIS RESOLUTION WITH, UM, THE TOWN MANAGER, BEING THE CHIEF LIAISON LIAISON BETWEEN THE WHAT AND WHAT WE HAVE THE TOURISM.
IS IT TOURISM? IS THAT WHERE IT'S COMING? VIRGINIA TOURISM IS PART OF WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DISCUSS EARLIER THAT WE DIDN'T DISCUSS.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE AGENDA IN THE OPEN.
SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO, YEAH, I'M JUST BRINGING IT TO THE ATTENTION THAT WE DO.
WE'D NEED TO THE RESOLUTIONS ON THE TABLE.
THE OTHER RISK IS THAT WE NEED TO FINALIZE OUR DISCUSSION ON THE TOURISM AND WHERE COUNCIL WANTS TO GO WITH THE DMO.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ON IT, BUT FOR US TO WORK WITH RIGHT NOW, THE TOURISM GROUP, TECHNICALLY IT'S IN LIMBO.
WHEN WAS THAT MEETING WITH THE LAST ONE WAS THIS WEEK OR LAST WEEK? THAT WAS LAST WEEK, LAST WEEK, TOO, TO TRY TO RESOLVE THIS.
THIS WAS A, UM, MEETING WITH, UH, F AND N YOU KNOW, UH, FROM THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT TOURISM.
WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME OF THAT MEETING THAT WE HAVE TO BECOME THE VML OR WE HAVE TO DESIGNATE THE DMO? NO, WE ARE THE DMO.
WE HAVE TO FORMALIZE THE DMO SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME INITIATIVES THAT WE MAY WANT OR GO AHEAD AND QUICKLY TRANSFER THE DMO OVER TO THE COMMITTEE.
BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S REALLY, NO, IT HASN'T BEEN FORMALIZED THROUGH THE VMO IS CAN WE JUST VOTE ON THIS? YOU CAN OVERRIDE THE MEETING THAT LAURIE AND I ATTENDED ABOUT THE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT YOU WENT TO.
AND THEN WHEN WE DECIDE WHATEVER COUNCIL IS THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TRANSFER IT OVER.
I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING WE JUST NEED TO, IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED ENOUGH FOR ME TO VOTE ON IT ON MONDAY, LIKE 11 O'CLOCK.
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I'M LIKE, I CAN'T YEAH.OR THE, UH, THE TOURISM, WE ALSO NEED TO APPOINT, UM, UM, CITIZENS AS PART OF THE ADVISORY GROUP THREE.
SO START THINKING OF WHO YOU WANT TO PUT ON IT.
UH, RIGHT NOW, UH, LATASHA SERVING AS, UH, AS COUNCILS HERE.
WELL, ALTERNATE, SORRY TO HEAR.
I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT IT ASSIGNED TO THE LIST AND THAT'S WELL, THAT'S, THAT MIGHT BE ON THE LIST, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I REMEMBER HAPPENING.
I REMEMBER GARY AND I WERE BOTH ASSIGNED AT THE SAME TIME AND IT WASN'T LIKE, COULD WE BOTH WERE THERE ALLEGEDLY WITH EQUAL? I JUST, I JUST, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TABLE THIS MINE HAS BEEN TOUTED.
IT'S UNFORTUNATE FOR A DIFFERENT WORK SESSION BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO AHEAD OF THIS ITEM ON THIS AGENDA.
I ENDED ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IN THE BOX YOU DID, THIS IS NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH WAS THE OPEN DISCUSSION.
AND, UM, AND IT WAS JUST AN UPDATED.
SO, SO WE HAVE OPEN DISCUSSION AND IF WE'RE GOING TO TABLE THIS, SO THERE'S ONE OTHER THING I WANT TO BRING UP.
WE HAD OUR FIRST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, UH, MEETING TODAY WENT REALLY WELL.
UH, UH, UH, MICHAEL, UH, HE, HE RECORDED IT WITH ROYAL EXAMINERS, SO YOU ALL WILL SEE IT, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL.
SO THE THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP JUST REAL QUICKLY, WE'VE BEEN, THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF TALK AND EVEN THE COMMUNITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT ABOUT FOYA.
SO I WOULD JUST ASK, COULD TOWN STAFF, COULD WE, COULD YOU ALL, UM, MAYBE WE NEED A FOYA POLICY THAT WE SAID WELL, WAS HE'S COMING BACK WITH A POLICY AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT.
SO IT'S ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED DURING THIS MEETING.
AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO US AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT.
I WANT TO MENTION ONE THING, MR. BANKS, HIS FUNERAL IS TOMORROW.
HE WAS ONE OF OUR MAYORS IN FRONT GRILL.
IT'S TOMORROW AT WHAT WAS THE NAME? THAT'S HER SCARY.
IT SHOULD BE IN THE ROYAL EXAMINER, EVERYTHING, BUT, UM, YEAH, THAT IS HAPPENING AND WE ARE PLANNING TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING SPECIAL FOR HIM.
AND REMEMBER IT FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
I WAS TALKING WITH STEVEN EARLIER.
UM, I THINK WE NEED TO PUT SOME SORT OF MEMORIAL, UH, FOR HIM.
UM, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT REALLY WANTING TO RENAME ROADS.
UM, BUT, UM, STEVEN HAD SAID, LET'S SAY IT'S SOMETHING ABOUT A MEMORIAL PARKWAY OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR, OR, YOU KNOW, AND I WAS ALSO DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF PUTTING A PLAQUE SOMEWHERE DOWN IN THE COMMONS AREA, UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, TO, TO HIGHLIGHT MR. BANKS'S, UM, YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE TOWN AND COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, AS A KID, HE WAS ALWAYS GREAT TO ME, YOU KNOW, IN A GOOD FELLA, JUST, I WORKED AT ELECTIONS, YOU KNOW, WITH HIM AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, HE WAS JUST A GREAT PERSON JUST TO BE AROUND.
AND I NEEDED THAT TO THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.
JUST AS AN FYI, THERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE BROUGHT UP ABOUT RENAMING THE STREET.
HOWEVER, 95% OF THE PEOPLE ON THAT PARTICULAR STREET IN HIS NEIGHBORHOOD ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH IT, WHICH MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S TOMORROW AT 11, I BELIEVE.
IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, THEN I GUESS WE WILL ADJOURN FOR TONIGHT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO LIKE ROLL CALL.