* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] ALRIGHT. WELL WE READY, CONNIE. OKAY. WELL, I HAVE [I. CALL TO ORDER] A SEVEN OH FIVE. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE, UH, THIS, UH, MEETING OF THE REGULAR, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 19TH, 2022. UM, I THINK I'LL DISPENSE WITH THE ROLL CALL BECAUSE I PERSONALLY OBSERVED THAT EVERY MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION IS HERE AND READY TO GO. UM, SO THE NEXT ITEM IS CITIZEN COMMENTS. UM, IF THERE ARE ANY, ANY ANYBODY HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS GENERALLY ABOUT PLANNING ISSUES? NOPE. OKAY. UH, UNDER MINUTES WE HAVE NONE UNDER PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE NONE AND THEIR CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE NONE, SO [VII. OLD BUSINESS] WE GO TO OLD BUSINESS AND, UH, WE'D LIKE TO OPEN THE, UH, DISCUSSION OF F R Z O R D A M DASH 29 76 DASH 2021, AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO TOWN CODE CHAPTER 1 75 ZONING PURSUANT TO THE ACTION BY THE TOWN FRONT ROYAL TOWN COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 22ND FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO I'VE OPENED THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION AND MOTIONS AND QUESTIONS. MR. CHAIR. UH, THIS WAS, UH, POSTPONE FROM OUR LAST MEETING. UM, COULD WE HAVE THE PLANNING DIRECTOR BRING US UP TO DATE AS TO WHAT IS GOING ON OR ANY CHANGES THAT WERE IMPLEMENTED? YES, THAT'D BE GOOD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU HAVE TWO COPIES BEFORE YOU THE COPY, UM, WITH THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTS, THIS IS WHAT WAS SENT TO TOWN COUNCIL FOR THEIR WORK SESSION. UM, I BELIEVE LAST WEEK AND THEN THE OTHER COPY OF IT WITH JUST THE RED LINE. THESE, THIS IS THE VERSION THAT AFTER OUR LAST MEETING YOU HAD ASKED FOR SOME CHANGES TO THE TEXT, THE CHANGES IN RED WERE MADE. THE COUNCIL VERSION IS THE SAME AS THE, UM, VERSION THAT'S REDLINED COUNSEL ASKED THAT HE BE CHANGED, WHICH PROHIBITED PARKING, UM, IN RIGHTS AND ALL RIGHT OF WAYS OR IN YARDS. SO THAT'S BEEN REMOVED AND I BELIEVE THAT STAFF PROVIDED YOU WITH THE DRAFT MOTION. IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADOPT THAT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER DIFFERENCES, UH, LARGEST MALL, MR. CHAIR? I NOTED SOME FORMATTING CHANGES THAT WHILE I THINK THEY ARE NEEDED WERE NOT BROUGHT UP, UM, AS PART OF THE AMENDMENTS MADE AT THE LAST MEETING. UH, SO OKAY. LIKE I SAID, I THINK THEY ARE GOOD CHANGES. I JUST, I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY ARE IN THE CURRENT MOTION AS IT STANDS. OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE, UH, UH, THE PARKING AMENDMENT THAT REMOVES THE PARKING OF VEHICLES PROHIBITED IN OR ALONG ALL RIGHTS OF WIDE WIDE ARRAY IN, IN YARDS. UH, THAT'S REMOVED IN SECTION E. WE GET OVER HERE IN THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN. IT SAYS UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, YOUR CARS PARKING ALONG THE ROADWAY. HOWEVER, OBVIOUSLY HERE IN TOWN TOO, ARE GOING TO BE SPOTS WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PARK IN THE STREET. THIS SAYS RIGHT HERE, I'D TAKE IT TO ME AND PARKER AND PARKING FOR THE, YOU SHALL BE LOCATED IN DRIVEWAYS OR OTHER DESIGNATED AND APPROVED PARKING AREAS. SO ARE THOSE OTHER DESIGNATED AND APPROVED PARKING AREAS? DOES THAT INCLUDE OFF STREET PARKING AS WELL? OR IS THE INTENTION JUST TO KEEP CARS PARKED ONLY IN DRIVEWAYS? THE ORIGINAL INTENTION WAS TO KEEP THE CARS PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAYS. UM, I THINK IT'S, COUNCIL'S WISH THAT WE DON'T RESTRICT PARKING JUST TO THE DRIVEWAYS. SO PEOPLE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE ON UTILIZE ON STREET PARKING. UM, I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT BE NOTED THAT I TAKE THIS AS KIND OF CONTRADICTING IN A WAY. SO, [00:05:01] I MEAN, IF I WAS A RENTER AND I SAW THIS AND I SAW THIS, I'D BE LIKE, WELL, IF I'M, IF THIS IS A DESIGNATED APPROVED PARKING AREA, WHICH A LOT OF THE TOWN HAS STREET PARKING, THIS IS GOING TO LIMIT A LOT OF PLACES RIGHT HERE. THAT'S JUST AN OBSERVATION THAT IS AMBIGUOUS. UM, WE CAN REMOVE THAT FROM THE PROPERTY OR FROM THE MAINTENANCE PLAN OR SORRY, MANAGEMENT PLAN AND THAT WAY IT'LL MATCH. OKAY. THAT'S ALL THE COMMENTS I HAD MR. CHAIRMAN. SO BASICALLY THE UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT THE, THE, UM, UH, COUNCIL WANTS TO ALLOW PARKING ON ADJACENT STREETS, ADJACENT TO THE DRIVEWAY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND, UM, I THINK THAT, THAT THERE MAY BE, UH, I MEAN, I THINK WE, WE, WE CAN VOTE ON THAT AND WE MIGHT SAY THAT WE, UH, PARTICULARLY LIKELY TO SAY, MIGHT EXAMINE WHETHER THERE'S ANY SELF INCONSISTENCIES IN THAT, BECAUSE, UM, I'D SEEN SOMETHING AT ONE TIME THERE THAT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS NOT CONSISTENT. WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY ASK, SINCE THIS IS ALL UNDER, THEY'RE ALL SUPPOSED TO HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. UM, I GUESS, WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT THE TOWN COUNCIL HAS THIS IN TO BE? CAUSE, I MEAN, THIS COULD BE THAT THIS IS ALL UNDER A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. COULD THIS BE A CONDITION FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT? IS THAT WHAT THE TOWN'S LEAVING IT AT THAT WAY? I MEAN, I COULD SEE THAT POINT IF THAT WAS, IF THAT'S THE INTENTION, UH, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE AN EXTREME EXAMPLE COME ACROSS AN APPLICATION FOR WHERE PARKING MAY NOT BE FEASIBLE AT ALL. YOU KNOW, SO I UNDERSTAND IN THAT REGARD, BUT I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THE COUNCIL HAD MADE THAT AS THEIR INTENTION AT THE MEETING. I THINK THEIR INTENTION WAS JUST AS WE DO THESE SPECIAL USE PERMITS, UM, THAT IT WOULD BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY AND NOT RESTRICTIVE ON THE APPLICANT. SO I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY WANTED THAT PARKING RESTRICTION REMOVED. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I TAKE THIS AS YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT IT AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN GENERAL ANYWAY, SO THERE ALWAYS CAN BE HERE CAN BE CONDITIONS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IT, YES. MR. CHAIR, JUST TWO LITTLE POINTS HERE. UM, LAUREN, IT LOOKS LIKE THE MANAGEMENT PLAN WAS TAKEN FROM THE COUNTY. IS THAT TRUE? YES, IT'S BEEN ADOPTED FROM THE COUNTY. OKAY. BECAUSE IN THE TOWN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY AREA WHERE THE SHOOTING OF FIREARMS OR FIREWORKS ARE PERMITTED. UH, WHEREAS IN THE COUNTY, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE AREAS WHERE YOU CAN USE OF A FIREARM IS PERMITTED. UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S AN OPTION FOR AN OWNER OR, OR AN OCCUPANT. UH, THE, THE SECOND THING IS WHEN, WHEN YOU MET WITH THE COUNCIL, UH, REGARDING SHORT-TERM RENTALS, DID YOU DISCUSS ANY OPTIONS IN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE? UH, AT THE LAST MEETING I HAD, UM, INDICATED THAT, UH, I DIDN'T THINK THAT, UM, SHORT-TERM RENTALS WERE COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL ZONES ARE ALL ZONES WITHIN THE TOWN. OBVIOUSLY I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE AND INDUSTRIAL. IT CERTAINLY IS APPROPRIATE AND COMMERCIAL, BUT IN RESIDENTIAL, I HAVE SOME STILL HAVE SEVERE RESERVATIONS REGARDING, UM, SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND RESIDENTIAL ZONES. DID YOU GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THAT WITH COUNSEL? NOT SPECIFICALLY. I THINK THE WAY WE, WHEN WE SPOKE ABOUT IT, BY DOING IT BY A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, IF THEY FEEL IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE IN THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD OR FOR THAT PARTICULAR APPLICATION, THEN WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DENY IT. UM, SO THIS WAY WE'RE NOT RESTRICTING IT TO CERTAIN ZONES. THIS IT'S JUST A CASE BY CASE BASIS. OKAY. YES. UM, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WOULD BE FOR A PERIOD OF FEWER THAN 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS. AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY? NO. THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT [00:10:01] WOULD ALLOW THEM TO OPERATE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS DEFINED AS A LESS THAN IT WAS IN TWO DAYS. SO IF SOMEBODY HAS, MY VOLUME IS A BIT LOUD HERE, IF SOMEBODY HAS A VISITOR, A RENTAL, AND THEN THEY LEAVE, THEN THEY HAVE TO REAPPLY. AND SO THIS COULD BE, THEY COULD HAVE 12 APPLICATIONS A YEAR, BURDENING THE SYSTEM, THE WAY THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WORKS IS IT RUNS WITH THE PROPERTY. SO ONCE THEY GET THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL THEY'RE PERMITTED. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER THEY CHANGED GUESTS OR NOT. IT'S THEY HAVE THAT PERMISSION TO USE THAT PROPERTY AS A SHORT TERM. OKAY. UM, I'VE MET METIS IN EUROPE, BUREAUCRATIC HEALTH. UM, I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE ABOUT THIS AND WHAT I AM. OH, THAT'S BETTER. WHAT, WHAT I AM PICKING UP FROM EVERYBODY I TALK TO IS THAT IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, PEOPLE ARE NOT COMFORTABLE HAVING A COMPANY, OWNING A HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO THEM. AND FOR SEVERAL REASONS, ONE BEING THAT A COMPANY WILL OUTBID THE LOCAL MARKET AND THEREFORE DRIVE LOCAL PEOPLE OUT OF THE ABILITY TO OWN A HOME IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND ALSO OF COURSE, THERE'S THE LACK OF SUPERVISION, LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, BUT, BUT I ALSO HAVE HEARD FROM PEOPLE THAT I'VE TALKED WITH, THAT IF THE OWNER IS THERE AND IT'S OWNER OCCUPIED, WHICH I THINK IS CALLED HOME SHARING ARRANGEMENT, RATHER THAN STRICTLY A BNB ARRANGEMENT OR A SEARCH OR A RENTAL, THEN PEOPLE ARE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. AND I THINK, I THINK SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE VERY APPROPRIATE FOR OUR TOWN. I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR MANY INDIVIDUALS, BUT I, I THINK WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PEOPLE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. AND SO I THINK, I MEAN, I THINK WE SHOULD EXPLORE, AND THIS IS PROBABLY NOT THE BEST WAY WE, WE HAD WANTED TO HAVE A WORK SESSION ON THIS. AND I THINK WE REALLY OUGHT TO DO THAT, TO WORK THROUGH THE POSSIBILITIES OF HOW ARE, HOW CAN WE HANDLE THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD HANDLING OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS, BECAUSE IT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE COMMERCIAL AREAS AND SHOULD BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY. I THINK, DO ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES AGREE ON IT THAT WE SHOULD TREAT RESIDENTIAL DIFFERENTLY? I THINK THESE ARE, THESE ARE GOING TO BE PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL. I BELIEVE IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE SOME, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME HOME SHARING OR SOME DIFFERENT PROVISIONS THAT ARE PERHAPS A RESTRICTION AGAINST COMPANIES OWNING THEM IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IF HOMEOWNERS OWN IT. AND ARE THERE, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT IF YOU KNOW, A COMPANY FROM ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD PICKS UP THE PROPERTY AND STARTS MANAGING IT, THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT PROPOSITION IN TERMS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL OF COMFORT. AND IN TERMS OF THE ABILITY OF OTHER PEOPLE TO COMPETE, TO BUY THE HOUSE. MR. CHAIR, CAN I SAY SOMETHING AGAIN, PLEASE? YEAH. UM, THE COURSE AT THE LAST MEETING, WE HAD SCHEDULED A WORK SESSION TO, TO LOOK AT THIS, UM, UH, LAUREN DOES, UM, IS, IS THIS WHAT COUNCIL HAS THEIR HEART SET ON OR IS THIS JUST A RECOMMENDATION FOR US TO MAKE FURTHER COMMENTS TO COUNCIL ON? AS FAR AS THE ORDINANCE GOES? UM, I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE DIRECTION COUNCIL WANTS TO GO. THEY WANT THESE TO BE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UM, AS A WAY OF A BLANKET, UM, TYPE OF SITUATION WHERE IT'S NOT RELEGATED TO JUST CERTAIN ZONES. AND, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL WILL [00:15:01] BE ACTING ON THIS THIS MONTH. YOU SAY THEY'RE GOING TO BE ACTING ON IT NEXT MONTH. IT HAS TO GO THROUGH HERE FOR CORRECT. YOU CAN FORWARD YOUR RECOMMENDATION OR YOU CAN FORWARD UP, UM, UM, MR. CHAIR, THE PROBLEM IS I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO PREPARE, UM, MY COMMENTS REGARDING THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION, A HOME SHARING OR WHATEVER. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE COUNSEL, UH, AN OPTION, UH, MAYBE WRITE AN ALTERNATIVE, UM, OR ORDINANCE CHANGE. UM, BUT AGAIN, I WAS ANTICIPATING TALK DISCUSSING THAT AT A WORK SESSIONS, WHICH WE DID NOT HOLD. UM, SO I WOULD, UM, LIKE TO SEE US POSTPONE THIS AGAIN AND HAVE A WORK SESSION, UH, PRIOR TO OUR, YOU KNOW, NOT THE HOUR BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING, BUT ON A REGULAR SCHEDULED, UH, WORK SESSION DAY. AND I COULD HAVE MY COMMENTS TYPED UP AND PREPARED BY THAT TIME. UH, IF, IF Y'ALL THINK THAT IT'S WORTH THE TROUBLE, NOT THAT YOU KNOW, THAT WE WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, SUBMIT THIS ALSO THE, THE CURRENT, UH, ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED TO US, BUT I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THE TIME TO PREPARE AN OPTION, UM, BECAUSE AT LEAST TWO OF US ARE CONCERNED ABOUT RESIDENTIAL. I DON'T KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, WHAT THE REST OF THE BOARD FEELS, BUT I WOULD, UH, LIKE TO SAY IS POSTPONE THIS UNTIL WE CAN HAVE A WORK SESSION, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST WEEK OF FEBRUARY, UH, PRIOR AND THEN HAVE OUR FEBRUARY MEETING TO FINALIZE AND, AND VOTE ON IT. OKAY. IF YOU, COULD YOU PUT THAT IN THE FORM OF MOTION? UH, YES. I MOVE THAT. WE POSTPONE ACTION ON, UH, F R Z O R D A M A 2 7 2 9 7 6 DASH 2 0 2 1, THE ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE TOWN CODE CHAPTER 1 75, UM, REGARDING SHORT-TERM RENTALS, UH, AND, AND BRING THE ITEM UP AT OUR NEXT SCHEDULED WORK SESSION, UH, IN FEBRUARY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? I WILL SECOND THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS OR POSSIBLE REFINEMENTS OF THE MOTION OR ARE, IF NOT, UM, WE WILL, WE WILL BE VOTE ON THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, IF THAT HELPS YOU TO ACCOMMODATE YOUR, I THINK THE MOTION HAS IT BEING SCHEDULED EARLY IN FEBRUARY. SO CHAIRMAN I'D LIKE TO JUST, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A WORKSTATION, I'D LIKE TO DO IT SOONER THAN LATER. I MEAN, THIS IS WE'VE KICKED THE CAN ON THIS. WHEN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE HAD A MEETING TONIGHT, AT LEAST I WAS UNDER, STILL, WE HAD, AND I WANT TO GET THIS OFF OUR AGENDA. I MEAN, WE'VE KICKED THE CAMERA ON THIS SO MANY TIMES TOWN COUNCIL OFF ONE I CAN SEE FROM WHAT THE DIRECTOR HERE IS SHOWING US THERE. I THINK THEY GOT THEIR HEART SET ON THIS. I MEAN, I'D JUST GO AHEAD AND I'D LIKE TO GO AND VOTE ON TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT. I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. SO WHATEVER THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS DECIDE, THAT'S FINE. BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS A DONE DEAL AS FAR AS COUNCIL IS CONCERNED. WELL, YEAH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DOUBT THAT, UH, THE COUNCIL WANTS TO SEE IT HAPPEN, BUT, UM, IF, IF WE CAN MAKE A BETTER, IF WE CAN IMPROVE IT IN SOME WAY, UH, THEN, THEN MAYBE THERE'LL BE MORE HAPPY WITH THAT. THE OPTIMI, WELL, I CERTAINLY AGREE IF WE, I THINK WE SHOULD GO TO A WORK SESSION, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. ALRIGHT. SO, UM, GOING, YOU READ THE MOTION. I THINK WE'RE READY TO VOTE. I ACTUALLY CANNOT READ THE FULL MOTION. DARRYL LOST ME WITH THE WORDING. I APOLOGIZE. ALL RIGHT. PERFECT. CAN I ASK THIS? I MEAN, IF ONE, IF, ONCE THE COUNCIL'S NEXT REGULAR, THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING IS ON THE 24TH. SO NEXT WEEK, MONDAY. EXCELLENT. MONDAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THERE'S NO CHANCE TO HAVE IT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, I GUESS, UNLESS YOU'RE AVAILABLE FRIDAY, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY TIME WE COULD DO IT. YEAH. OKAY. [00:20:02] CAN WE AMEND THIS AS IT IS, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD THE TIME TO GET PROPER LEGAL WORDING, BUT CAN WE PROPOSE AMENDMENTS THAT CAN BE MASSAGED AND PUT INTO PROPER LANGUAGE BEFORE THE COUNCIL MEETS ON MONDAY? I THINK BASED ON COMMENTS FROM YOU AND COMMISSIONER MERCHANT, THAT THAT WOULD BE A TALL TASK TO DO TONIGHT IF WE'RE CONCERNED, OR IF MEMBERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES TO THAT SCALE. AND I DON'T THINK THAT TONIGHT WOULD BE THE RIGHT PLACE TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES, RIGHT. THAT THAT'S NOT THE FIRST CHOICE WOULD BE A LONG EVENING. YEAH. I THINK CONNIE'S WAITING FOR YOU TO RESTATE YOUR MOTION, DARRYL. YEAH. DARYL, COULD YOU RESTATE YOUR MOTION? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE POSTPONE, EXCUSE ME. ACTION. ON F R Z O R D A M DASH 2 9 7 6 DASH 2 0 2 1 AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND TEL CODE CHAPTER 1 75 ZONING REGARDING SHORT-TERM RENTALS. UH, UNTIL AFTER WE CAN, UH, HAVE A, ANOTHER WORK SESSION OR HAVE A WORK SESSION ON PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE NEXT WEEK IN A MEETING, BUT YOU NEED TO STATE THAT IT'S TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING. IF, IF I MAY I'D ADVISE THAT, UH, IT BE POSTPONED TO A DATE, CERTAIN SUCH AS THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OF THE COMMISSION. UM, VERY GOOD POINT DOWN TO TURNING THE, UM, UH, ACTUALLY WE, WE CAN'T TAKE ANY ACTION ON UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE THE FEBRUARY MEETING, BUT WE COULD, I WANT TO SEND THIS TO A WORK SESSION TO WORK ON, WHICH WOULD BE EITHER THE THIRD OR THE 10TH OF FEBRUARY. UH WHAT'S WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR FEELINGS ON THE THIRD OR THE 10TH? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE ANY, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY LIST OF WEDNESDAYS. THE THIRD AND THE 10TH ARE THURSDAYS. UH, I'LL AMEND MY MOTION TO ADD, UH, TO POSTPONE THIS TILL, UH, FEBRUARY 3RD WORK SESSION. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, SORRY TO INTERRUPT AGAIN, BUT I THINK IT HAS TO BE POSTPONED TO A MEETING AT WHICH THIS BODY CAN VOTE. SCRATCH THAT I WILL AMEND MY EMOTION, A GAME TO, UH, POSTPONE ACTION ON THIS UNTIL OUR FEBRUARY THE 17TH, THE MEETING 60. UM, BUT WE, IF WE JUST PASS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT WE COULD BE LOOKING AT THE SAME THING AGAIN, IF WE DON'T HAVE SOME COMMITMENTS TO, UM, FOR THE, FOR THE COMMISSION TO HOLD A WORK SESSION, PERHAPS, CORRECT. IF THERE'S MOTION PASSES, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE A WORK SESSION ON FEBRUARY THE THIRD TO REVIEW. IT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTED, BUT WE CAN'T TAKE ANY ACTION UNTIL THE 17TH. SO IF THE MOTION PASSES, THEN WE CAN SET A DATE TO REVIEW IT AT A WORK SESSION. CAUSE IF WE, IF THE MOTION FAILS, THERE'S NO NEED TO HAVE A WORK SESSION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S UM, POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING IS FEBRUARY 16TH, NOT THE 17TH. SO IT'S, DID I SAY THE WRONG DATE? I'M GONNA TRY THIS ONE MORE TIME. I'LL AMEND THIS MOTION TO, FOR OUR FEBRUARY THE MEETING ON THE 16TH. THANK YOU WILL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. LET US SEE WHERE WE ARE THEN IF YOU WOULD PULL THE, UH, COMMISSION COMMISSIONER INGRAM. YES. VICE CHAIRMAN MARSTEINER YES. COMMISSIONER GORDON. YES. COMMISSIONER MERCHANT CHAIRMAN. YES. [00:25:02] OKAY. SO THAT, UM, THAT PUTS US INTO THEN, UM, UM, I GUESS WE NEED TO ESTABLISH THE DATE FOR THE WORK SESSION, CORRECT? MR. CHAIR. UM, FEBRUARY THE SECOND WOULD BE THE FIRST WEDNESDAY IN FEBRUARY, WHICH IS ALSO GROUNDHOG DAY. SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A GROUNDHOG DAY HERE, THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER, BUT, UM, UH, I, I MOVED THAT WE HOLD A WORK SESSION ON FEBRUARY. THE SECOND PROVIDED THE BUILDING IS AVAILABLE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED A MOTION. I THINK YOU CAN JUST CALL A WORK SESSION. WE'VE WE'VE NEVER HAD A MOTION. YEAH. LET'S TRY WORK SESSION BEFORE. YEAH. OKAY. BUT I WILL SAY THE SECOND IS A GOOD DATE FOR ME, THE NINTH I'M NOT ABLE TO DO. OKAY. SO WE'LL AIM FOR THE SECOND THEN I WITHDRAW MY MOTION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND I WILL SEE TO IT THAT WE HAVE A, UH, A NOTICE GOES OUT ABOUT A WORK SESSION ON FEBRUARY 2ND THEN. OKAY. UH, I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER ACTIONS RELATED TO THAT. UH, THE SECOND ITEM IS A CIP UPDATE FISCAL YEAR 23, 27, UH, WITH KATHLEEN . OKAY, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, JOINING ME THIS EVENING, UM, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR ROBBIE AND ENERGY SERVICES DIRECTOR. DAVID JENKINS WILL BE JOINING ME THIS MORNING, THIS APP THIS EVENING. UM, I'M JUST KIND OF GETTING BACK IN THE SWING OF BEING OUT OF TOWN FOR THE WEEKEND. SO YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, WE DO NOT HAVE THE POWERPOINT THIS EVENING, SO I BELIEVE YOU ALL HAVE OUR, UM, PREHISTORIC VERSION OF A POWERPOINT, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, THE PAPER VERSION. UM, ANYWAY, I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO IS, UM, I'M GOING TO GIVE KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF THE CIP PROCESS IN GENERAL, AND THEN MR. BOYER WILL COME UP AND DISCUSS THE PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS. AND THEN MR. JENKINS WILL DISCUSS THE ELECT, THE ENERGY SERVICES PROJECTS. UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, UH, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN IS BASICALLY A PLAN THAT LOOKS AT THE CURRENT OR THE PLAN FISCAL YEAR, WHICH IN OUR CASE, WE'RE DOING THE FISCAL YEAR 23 BUDGET. AND THEN THE FOLLOWING FIVE YEARS, UM, THE CIP REALLY HELPS, UH, THE DECISION-MAKING PROCESS AND THE BUDGETING PROCESS FOR COUNCIL. UM, IT'S A USEFUL TOOL FOR THEM TO PREPARE LOOKING AT, UM, PLANNED EXPENSES AND REVENUE NEEDS FOR THE TOWN, AS WELL AS, UM, SETTING THE FUNDING PRIORITIES FOR THE ONCOMING FISCAL YEAR AND PROCEEDING YEARS. UM, WE UPDATE THE CIP ANNUALLY, UM, WHERE WE RE WE REMOVE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND ACTUALLY ADJUST PRIORITIES AS THINGS AS THINGS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS AND OVER THE FISCAL YEAR. UM, IN REGARDS TO THIS PARTICULAR CIP, THERE'VE BEEN, UH, FOUR PUBLIC MEETINGS ALREADY. UM, WE HAD THE NOVEMBER 8TH MEETING, UM, WHICH WAS KIND OF AN OVERVIEW FOR THE TOWN COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 8TH, NOVEMBER 10TH. UH, YOU ALL HAD A WORKING SESSION ON IT AS WELL. AND NOVEMBER 17TH, YOU ALL ALSO HAD A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT. UM, MORE RECENTLY TOWN COUNCIL HAD A WORK SESSION ON IT, UM, ON JANUARY 10TH. AND THAT KIND OF BRINGS US TO OUR MEETING THIS EVENING. UM, AND AS WE'VE NOTED ON THE COVER SHEET, UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY PROVIDED A, A RECOMMENDED MOTION AS WELL FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER AS YOU SEND THIS, UH, FOUR TO TOWN COUNCIL. UM, AT THIS MOMENT, I WILL GO AHEAD AND INVITE MR. BOYER TO JOIN ME AT THE PODIUM AND TO GO AHEAD AND DISCUSS THE PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, WE'LL START OUT FIRST WITH THE PRIMARY PAVING PLAN. UM, THE PRIMARY PAVING PLAN IS YOUR PRIMARY ROADS LIKE SHANNON DOE AVENUE. UM, NO FRO AVENUE COMMERCE AVENUE, 14TH STREET, UH, THE PRIMARY PAYMENT PLAN. WE NORMALLY TRY TO DO A V UP FUNDING FOR MUCH OF THAT AS WE CAN DO LIKE PRIMARY EXTENSIONS OR REVENUE SHARING, UH, THE SECONDARY OR ALL YOUR SECONDARY ROADS, UM, WHICH WE GET MAINTENANCE FUNDING FORWARD TO USE FOR THE UPKEEP. UM, THESE ARE BASED OFF THE ANNUAL INSPECTION REPORTS OFF THE ASPHALT RATINGS, UM, THE NEW SIDEWALK INSTALLATION THAT WAS IN THE PAVING PLAN. NOW IT'S BROKE OUT JUST TO SHOW PLACES WHERE SIDEWALKS NEEDED ALONG WITH THE PAVING PLAN, WHERE WILL BE ADDED, [00:30:01] UM, A STREET BRIDGE, WHICH IS THERE BY THE STADIUM, UM, THAT WAS PUT IN THE V DOTS REVENUE SHARING. SO THAT, THAT ONE, 1,380,000 WOULD ACTUALLY BE THE TOWN'S HALF. UM, AND THEN V DOT WOULD COVER THE OTHER HALF IF APPROVED THE REVENUE SHARING, UM, THE FLEET MATES, THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE AUTO MAINTENANCE BUILDING LIKE DAWN'S HERE, BUT THIS IS TO REFURBISH AND RE PRETTY MUCH REDO THE AUTO MAINTENANCE BUILDING AS THE TOWN HAS, LIKE IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT IN THE SEVENTIES ALONG IN THERE. AND THIS IS WHERE THEY DO ALL THE TOWNS, AUTO AUTO REPAIRS, PAINT, AND BODY WORK AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PAGE, UM, FOR THE WATER, THE, UH, SWITCH GEAR AND THE, UH, SWITCH GEAR FOR THE ROLLER PUMP STATION TO VFDS. THIS IS FOR THE LEURY AVENUE, A PUMP STATION. THIS KIND OF GOES ALONG WITH THE, UH, RAW WATER PUMP UPGRADE. THAT'S ALREADY KIND OF TAKEN PLACE. THERE'S THREE OF THOSE. THIS GOES ALONG WITH THIS, THESE WERE ORIGINALLY PUT IN IN 94. UM, SO THIS IS JUST UPDATING THE OLD STUFF THAT'S THERE. UM, JUST DUE TO AGE, THE AGING OF IT, UM, CLEAR, WELL GRADES, THIS IS UP AT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT. THIS IS WHERE WE HOUSE FINISHED WATER OUTSIDE. UH, BOTH OF THEM NEED SOME ROOF REPAIRS, SOME HATS, REPAIRS, AND OTHER STUFF, UM, TO KEEP IT SEALED UP AND OUT OF THE WEATHER. UM, SO THAT'S WHAT THE CLEARWELL UPGRADES ARE FOR JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY IMPROVEMENTS. THIS SHOULD ACTUALLY SAY WATER IMPROVEMENTS, UH, WHEN THEY BUILT LEACHES RUN, THERE'S A PRV VAULT RIGHT THERE AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT IN ALL OF LEE. TRON IS 12 INCH. UH, THE WATER TANK UP ON ISA LANE IS 12 INCH COMING DOWN COLONIAL. BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THE INTERSECTION OF JOAN MARSHALL AND COLONIAL, THERE'S A PIECE OF EIGHT INCH IN BETWEEN THE TWO 12 INCH WATERLINES. UM, SO WHAT THIS IS IS TO ACTUALLY UPGRADE THAT. SO IT WON'T RESTRICT THE FLOW THERE. UM, COMING BACK DOWN 55 AND GOING ACROSS LEAKS RUN, UM, THROUGH THERE. UM, AND THEN THE WATERLINE UPGRADES, THIS KIND OF GOES ALONG WITH THE PAVING PLAN STREETS. IT'S GOING TO BE PAVED THAT NEEDS WATER, UM, UPGRADES BEFORE THAT CAN BE DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT ONCE IT'S PAVED AND THERE WAS NO OTHER ISSUES WITH HAVING TO GO BACK AND DIG UP THE NEW ROAD WITH THAT. THE, UM, HOW'D YOU COME UP WITH? UM, A, UH, LET'S SAY THE PAVING PLAN IT'S, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 23, IT'S 1,000,800 43,785. HOW DO YOU GET THOSE, UH, SMALLER NUMBERS IN THERE? UM, IS THERE, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE A BUDGET THAT YOU PUT IN AND REQUEST SUPPORT FOR? WELL, UH, SOME OF THAT'S MAINTENANCE MONEY AND THEN, UH, SOME OF THAT IS ACTUALLY MONEY THAT BJ HAD FOUND, UH, FROM OTHER PROJECTS THAT COUNCIL WANTED TO PUT TOWARDS PAVING, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY PUT A SIDE WHERE WE'RE WAY BEHIND ON PAVING. OKAY. TO TRY TO CATCH UP SONG. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD. THAT'S HELPFUL. YES, SIR. YEAH. MR. I, I HAVE ONE QUESTION, UH, FOR THE WATERLINE REPAIRS THAT ARE MADE FOR INSTANCE, UM, AND WHEN YOU GUYS HAVE TO DO TRENCHING ACROSS THE STREET AND DIG UP, YOU KNOW, CUT OUT ASPHALT, DOES THAT IS A FUNDING FOR THAT PAVING? PART OF THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT UNDER THE PAVING FUNDING OR IS IT UNDER LIKE THE WATER LINE? HONESTLY, A LOT OF TIMES IT DEPENDS IF WE CAN, IF THERE'S MONEY IN A GENERAL FUND, WE'LL TRY TO DO IT AT GENERAL FUND, BUT THE ENTERPRISE COURSE HAS MORE, THEY'RE THE ONES TEARING AND ROAD UP TO FIX THE WATER LINE. SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN, WE TRY TO TAKE IT OUT TO ENTERPRISE FOR THAT SECTION. UM, IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE, THAT'S A WHOLE STREET, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA PAVE IT ANYWAYS, WOULD COME OUT OF GENERAL. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. UM, WHAT OTHER NEW SIDEWALKS ARE PLANNED FOR AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE THEM? I UNDERSTAND UPGRADING, IMPROVING, REPAIRING SIDEWALKS IS ONE THING, BUT WHAT ABOUT NEW SIDEWALKS? ARE THERE ARE A LOT OF THOSE, WHERE ARE THEY PLANNED FOR? UM, I KNEW LIKE ONE OF THEM WAS KENDRICK LANE. THERE'S SOME PIECES DOWN THERE THAT JUST STOPPED. DON'T GO NOWHERES. UM, SO, AND ACTUALLY, LIKE, IF YOU EVER NOTICED, WHEN YOU GET DOWN TOWARDS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHERE THAT SIDEWALK STOPS, THE ROAD GETS REAL NARROW, SO THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE WIDENED OUT AND THEN YOU WOULD FINISH THE SIDEWALL BACK UP TOWARDS THE APARTMENTS, YOU, AND ALL THAT STUFF. TRY TO MAKE IT SAFE FOR PEOPLE WALKING, OTHER PLACES IN TOWN AS WELL. YES MA'AM. YEAH. YEAH. AND I'M TRYING TO THINK. UM, YEAH, BUT, UM, FOR THE UPCOMING PAVAN, SOME OF THE STREETS THAT YOU HAVE LISTED ON A SECONDARY PAYMENT PLAN WOULD BE WEST NIGHTS FREE OR STRAIGHT KENDRICK LANE AVENUE. AND THEN, YEAH. KENDRICK WILL BE THE MOST OF IT THIS YEAR. CAUSE A LOT OF THOSE YOU DEPEND ON THE HILLS AND STUFF, UM, LIKE WINE STREET AND ALL THAT. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE REALLY HARD TO PUT IT IN THERE BECAUSE OF THE GRADE AND ALL THAT AND STUFF, BUT A [00:35:01] LOT OF THAT, OR THIS COMING YEAR WILL BE ON KENDRICK. OKAY. SO HOW'S IT DECIDED. AND IS THERE A MASTER? NO, NOT THAT I KNOW. NO. IT'S KIND OF HONESTLY WHERE WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM AND YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WITH THE GRAY, LIKE WE DID A WINE STREET AND THAT STUFF TWO YEARS AGO, BUT I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO DUG AND PUT RETAINING WALLS BECAUSE THE SLOPE OF ALL THE YARDS, RIGHT. YOU GOT CURVED THERE. YEAH. WE PUT CURB AND GUTTER IN, BUT HE HAD, THE SIDEWALK WOULD HAVE BEEN THE AI WE'D HAVE HAD THREE, FOUR FOOT RETAINING WALLS ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH THERE. SO IT WASN'T FEASIBLE FOR THERE, BUT YES MA'AM. SO THE GOAL, IS THERE A GOAL SOMEWHERE WRITTEN DOWN TO HAVE CURB AND GUTTER FOR EVERYWHERE IN? WELL, I THINK THE BIG THING IS AIN'T ANY STREETS WHERE IT CAN BE ADDED AS WE PAY EVEN TO CURB AND GUTTER, ADD IT AT THE SAME TIME. THAT WAY WHEN IT'S DONE, IT'S DONE THE SAME WAY WITH THE SEWER AND THE WATER. TRY TO GET THIS KIND OF AN ONGOING POLICY GOING FORWARD. SO YEAH, USUALLY THEY'LL UPDATE THE PAVING PLAN, THE, ADD THOSE IN AND TRY TO KEEP YOU THE COST ADJUSTED TO THOSE STREETS. IT'S GOING TO BE DONE. THAT'S FINE. IN THE DAY, I SEEM TO RECALL THAT PEOPLE COULD PAY OR HAD TO PAY TO HAVE A CURB PUT IN FROM THEIR HOUSE. NOW, NOW, UH, FOR NEW HOUSES, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, THEY PUT IT IN AND THEN FOR EXISTING HOUSES, IF THEY WANT TO DO IT, THEY HAVE A 50 50 PROGRAM. SO THE TOWN WILL COME OUT. IF YOU WANT CURB AND GUTTER APRON, FIGURE UP ALL THAT COST. AND THEN YOU PAY HALF. THEN THE TOWN COVERS THE ELDER HALF FOR EXISTING HOMES, ANYTHING NEW THAT BUILDER, YOU KNOW? OKAY. SO ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING, A LOT OF THEM ARE HALF AND HALF. WELL, NO, NO, NO. THIS IS TOWN DOESN'T WANT TO PAY IN THE STREET. TOWN PAYS FOR ALL OF IT. IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, AREAS WHERE THE RESIDENT JUST WANTS TO DO IT ON THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, AND NOT WAIT, THEN IT WOULD BE 50 50 YESTERDAY. THANK YOU. YES MA'AM ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MOST OF YOU FOR, FOR THAT. UM, YES. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF BOARD. THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING US THIS EVENING AND YOUR CONSIDERATION ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC. SO ANYHOW, I'M ON MY SECTION THERE IN THE ELECTRIC. YOU'LL SEE THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE DOWN, THERE'S THE HAPPY CREEK, UH, SUB STATION. SPANSION SO OUT ON ROUTE 6 0 6, RIGHT THERE AT THE END OF THE TOWNS LIMITS, WE HAVE SUB STATION THERE. AND WHEN WE BUILT THAT SUBSTATION, WHAT WE'D DONE, WE KNEW THERE WAS GOING TO BE SOME INDUSTRIAL TYPE STUFF OUT THERE. SO WE, WE BUILT IT FOR TWO TRANSFORMERS, TWO POWER TRANSFORMERS AND FOUR BREAKERS. CURRENTLY WE HAVE ONE POWER TRANSFORMER INTO BREAKERS OUT THERE. AND SINCE THE HOSPITAL'S BEEN BUILT A FEW YEARS AGO, NEW WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL WAS PUT OUT THERE. WE FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME BUILDINGS GOING TO START OUT THERE. AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, UM, START RESERVING SOME MONEY FOR, WE SEE THAT COMING UP, YOU KNOW, HAPPY, HAPPY, RICH SUBDIVISION. IT CONTINUES TO BUILD HOMES UP IN THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE JUST FEEL IT'S COMING. SO, AND THEN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THIS MONEY IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUY A POWER TRANSFORMER, SOME BREAKERS, AND A LOT OF OTHER LITTLE SMALL COMPONENTS ALONG WITH THAT. SO, AND THEN THE NEXT ONE YOU SEE, THERE IS THE, A KINDRED SUBSTATION TRANSFORMER REPLACEMENT, AS WELL AS THE MANASSAS AVENUE SUBSTATION REPLACEMENT. SO, WELL, WE HAVE A POWER TRANSFORMER, HAS A LIFE OF SPEC, A SPEC, MISSY OF ABOUT 30 YEARS ON IT. AND THE CURRENT TRANSFORMERS THAT WE HAVE EIGHT, THERE HAVE TWO IN EACH ONE OF THOSE SUBSTATIONS OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, WE REPLACED ONE IN EACH ONE OF THOSE SUBS. SO ANYHOW, IT'S BROTHER IS SET AND RIGHT BESIDE IT, WHICH IS OVER 30 YEARS OLD, YOU KNOW, PASS ITS LIFE EXPECTANCY. SO, YOU KNOW, WE, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE ALREADY GOT SOME PRIOR FUNDING FOR THAT. AND WE'RE JUST ASKING, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CONTINUATION OF THAT UNTIL WE'RE ABLE TO PURCHASE IT. AND THEN YOU SEE THE AMI SYSTEM AND WHAT THAT IS, IS AUTOMATIC METER IN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT GIVES US THE OPTIONS. IT'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT COME ALONG WITH THAT GIVES THE CUSTOMERS THE OPTION TO SEE REAL TIME OF WHAT THEY'RE USING ON THEIR ELECTRIC CONSUMPTION, AS WELL AS A LOT OF SAFETY STUFF IN THERE, NO LONGER MEET READERS NEED TO GO OUT AND ACTUALLY READ, YOU KNOW, IT'S READ THROUGH, UH, THE CLOUD SYSTEM INTO A COMPUTER AND THEN AS WELL, WE DO A LOT OF DISCONNECTS AND MOVE IN AND MOVE OUTS AND, YOU KNOW, IT STOPS THE TRUCK ROLL ONE, A LOT OF THEM, YOU KNOW, FOR DISCONNECT PEOPLE, NOT A NON-PAYMENT, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE DISCONNECTED, YOU KNOW, VIA THE COMPUTER. SO, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY FUNDED AWAY FOR THAT. AND, UM, AS WELL. SO WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE WORKING ON THAT, TO GET THAT. WHAT ABOUT THE REDUNDANT WATER LINE? UH, I, I ASSUME THAT'S THE ONE THAT GOES OUT TO, UM, [00:40:01] UH, THE COUNTY. UM, BUT IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE ITEM. THAT'S ROBBINS. HMM. YEAH. THAT'S ELECTRIC ROBBIE'S OH, I'M SORRY. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL, UH, ON THE AMI, ARE YOU PROPOSING, CHANGING OUT THE METERS ON YES. MA'AM EVERY, EVERY METER WOULD BE CHANGED IN, IN TOWN. YEP. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. YEP. WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME YOU WANT TO DO THAT IN FISCAL 23? NO, NO. WE'RE IF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STARTING WITH THAT. AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, THE HALF A MILLION FOR THAT AND SHE SEE, WE GOT THE 2 0 7, UM, PRIOR FUNDING. SO THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER TWO TO THREE YEARS OUT ON THAT PROJECT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST STARTING TO SAVE FOR IT. YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCUMULATE MONEY. OKAY. YES. MA'AM. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO IN A PHASED APPROACH OR IT HAS TO BE ALL AT ONCE. YEAH. IT NEEDS, IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE ALL AT ONCE. YOU CAN DO IT IN LITTLE INCREMENTS, BUT WHAT IT ENDS UP DOING IS REALLY COSTING YOU MORE IN THE END. SO WE DECIDED, HEY, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST SAVE UP FOR IT AND JUST DO IT ALL AT ONE TIME. SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK Y'ALL. THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? UM, I'VE GOT A QUESTION. SO I GUESS WHAT, WHAT'S THE INTENT OF PRESENTING THIS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION? MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HELP IDENTIFY PRIORITIES FOR WHERE FUNDING SHOULD BE SPENT. I MEAN, WE, WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SUBSTATIONS AND, AND WHAT NEEDS TO GO THERE, BUT I THINK WE COULD HELP SET THAT PRIORITY LIST OF WHERE SHOULD SIDEWALKS BE ADDED OR WHAT SIDEWALKS NEED TO BE UPDATED. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE BEING ASKED TO DO OTHER THAN, UM, YOU KNOW, RUBBER STAMP, A BUDGETING PROCESS THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH AND PICK APART THESE NUMBERS. THERE'S ALSO NO BACKUP FOR THEM. SO WE HAVE NO WAY TO DETERMINE WHAT WHAT'S REASONABLE. I JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT IS EXPECTED OF US SO WELL IN GENERAL, UM, STAFF MAKES THE PRESENTATION ON THE CIP. UM, IN MOST JURISDICTIONS, ESPECIALLY IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA, IT IS ACTUALLY STAFF THAT WORKS AND DEVELOPS THE PRIORITIES. AND, YOU KNOW, IAN BRINGS IT IN FRONT OF PLANNING COMMISSION BASICALLY AS YOU KNOW, TO GET FEEDBACK AND SO FORTH. UM, AS FAR AS LOOKING AT YOUR SIDEWALKS AND WHERE SIDEWALKS SHOULD BE AND SO FORTH. I MEAN, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN COULD LOOK AT AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS, YOU KNOW, DOING AS A SIDEWALK TRAIL MASTER PLAN. SO THEN YOU BASICALLY OUTLINING, YOU KNOW, AREAS IN TOWN WHERE YOU WANT TO, YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, FILL IN THE SEGMENTS OF SIDEWALK OR, YOU KNOW, SET UP A, UH, A TRAIL NETWORK, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE BIKE LANES. I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, IS AS WELL WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW TO DEVELOP FOR THE, FOR THE TOWN, UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGH VIRGINIA CODE. I MEAN, BASICALLY WE ARE AS A JURISDICTION REQUIRED TO PRESENT THIS TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND IF THERE'S INPUT OR, OR ANYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, TO INCORPORATE WHAT, YOU KNOW, MAY COME OUT OF, OF THE, OF THE MEETING. AND THEN ULTIMATELY, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO TOWN COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, ON THE CIP AND IS ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN COUNCIL THAT WILL BE APPROVING THE CIP AS PART OF THE FISCAL 23 BUDGET YEAR. AND, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FIVE YEAR, YOU KNOW, LIST OF PROJECTS THAT WAS IN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SPREADSHEET THAT YOU ALL SAW BACK IN NOVEMBER. UM, BUT IN GENERAL, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ONE MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT THE, THE TOWNS CIP IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PLAN IS. AND ULTIMATELY WHEN, UH, THE BUDGETING PROCESS FOR FISCAL 23 STARTS, YOU KNOW, FEBRUARY 14TH IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST BUDGET WORK SESSION, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE TOWN MANAGER WILL BE MAKING THAT PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSING THAT WITH TOWN COUNCIL. THIS IS REALLY PART OF THE OVERALL FISCAL 23, OR, YOU KNOW, THE ANNUAL BUDGETING PROCESS. OKAY, THANK YOU. SURE. I GUESS WHAT I STRUGGLE WITH IS BASED ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ANY INPUT ON WHAT PRIORITIES SHOULD BE? I AGREE WITH YOU THAT AS PART OF THE COMP PLAN, WE SHOULD LOOK AT, UH, AN OVERALL SIDEWALK PLAN, BUT THEN WHAT ABOUT NEXT YEAR, WHEN OR TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WHEN THE COMP PLAN IS DONE, WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE DOING A CIP EVERY YEAR. [00:45:01] HOW CAN THE PLANNING COMMISSION BE USEFUL? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THIS OTHER THAN THIS IS A FORUM FOR THE PUBLIC TO HEAR, WHICH I AGREE IS GOOD, BUT WE ARE NOT IN ANY WAY CONTRIBUTING OR ADDING ADVICE. AND I, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE EXPECTED TO DO THAT BASED ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED. I KNOW IN THE PAST THERE HAS BEEN BEFORE YOUR, YOUR TENURE AND, UM, BEFORE OUR CURRENT STAFF'S TENURE, THERE WAS A BINDER PRESENTED THAT HAD BACKUP FOR EVERYTHING LISTED ON HERE. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED THAT AS WELL. AGAIN, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE TRANSFORMERS, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A BETTER PROCESS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE NEEDED OR WHAT ROADS REALLY ARE IN NEED OF REPAIR AND HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH, UH, WITH STAFF. AND, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THAT THIS YEAR, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A MORE COLLABORATIVE PROCESS GOING FORWARD. UM, WELL, I WOULD SAY IN REGARDS TO THE DECISIONS, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY'RE MADE ON WHICH ROADS TO RE TO REPAIR OR REPLACE, UM, PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY GOES THROUGH, AND THEY HAVE A GRADING SYSTEM WHERE THEY ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE, AT THE CONDITION OF THE ROADWAY THROUGHOUT THE TOWN, AND THAT IS ACTUALLY HOW THEY COME UP WITH THEIR PRIORITIZE THEIR PRIORITIES. AND I'M SURE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD WORK WITH MR. BOYER AND GET THAT, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT A, MAYBE A MORE KNOWN PROCESS TO PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, ONE OTHER SUGGESTION I WOULD HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE PLANNING FOR, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, TRAILS OR, OR THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, EARLIER ON IN THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK WITH, WITH THE PLANNING DIRECTOR TO COME AND, OKAY, WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES, YOU KNOW, THAT PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO SEE COVERED IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY START WORKING ON THE BUDGET IN THE NOVEMBER, YOU KNOW, OCTOBER TIMEFRAME IS WHEN YOU BASICALLY MOST JURISDICTIONS START WORKING ON THEIR BUDGETS, AT LEAST THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT IN YOUR CIP AND SO FORTH. AND SO MAYBE IT'S JUST MAKING PLANNING, COMMISSION MORE AWARE OF WHAT THAT BUDGETING CALENDAR IS. AND MAYBE AT DIFFERENT POINTS THAT YOU ALL CAN MAYBE INTERJECT SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL INPUT INTO THE PROCESS. CAN I JUMP INTO, UM, I ALSO, WITH THIS ONE, DOES CIP DOES SEEM TO BE KIND OF AN OPERATION SIDE HEAVY, SO MORE PUBLIC WORKS, BUT ONCE WE GET THE COMP PLAN DONE, I THINK STAFF WILL HAVE AN COMMISSION AS WELL. I THINK WE'LL HAVE A MUCH BETTER DIRECTION OF, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS. AND THEN IT'LL FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE RELEVANT TO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. YEAH. I JUST WANT THIS BODY TO BE HELPFUL. I, I DON'T MEAN TO BE ACCUSATORY AND I APOLOGIZE IF I CAME ACROSS THAT WAY. I WANT US TO BE HELPFUL AND, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY PROVIDE SOMETHING I DON'T WANT TO WASTE EVERYBODY'S TIME JUST TO HAVE A PRESENTATION JUST FOR THE SAKE OF HAVING A PRESENTATION. SO I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT. UM, PERSONALLY, I, I THINK WE SHOULD VOTE TO SEND THIS ON. UM, I KNOW IT'S COME A COUPLE OF TIMES AND I KNOW WE'VE GOT TO GET THE BALL ROLLING ON, UM, THE BUDGETING PROCESS. SO JUST MY 2 CENTS FOR GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, UH, I ACTUALLY SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER, GORDON'S TAKE ON THIS. I MEAN, THIS IS A LOT OF INTEL HERE THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY OPERATIONS ORIENTED AND I, I AGREE. I MEAN, I THINK IT JUST IS GREAT TO SEE WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITHOUT REALLY SEEING THE BACKUP FOR IT, I MEAN, ALL WE CAN REALLY DO IS KIND OF RUBBER STAMP THIS AND SAY, HEY, THIS LOOKS GREAT. LET'S MOVE ALONG WITH IT. YOU KNOW, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME, I AGREE. I MEAN, ALL THESE, MAYBE ALL OF THESE NEED TO TAKE PLACE. UH, I DEFINITELY WANT OUR POWER ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE UP TO PAR THAT'S THAT'S FOR DANG. SURE. UM, YOU KNOW, AND I AGREE WITH, LIKE I SAID, NEW, WHAT NEW SIDEWALK INSTALLATION. SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHERE IT'S, THERE'S SOME GENERIC FUNDING IN HERE AND IN THERE THERE'S MORE, UH, SPECIFIC FUNDING, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I, LIKE I SAID, I, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE WE AS AN, UH, AS A BODY CAN SAY, OKAY, WELL, IT'S GREAT. WE NEED A NEW TRANSFORMER OR SOMETHING. SO I I'LL DEFER TO THE EXPERTS ON THAT, BUT I AGREE, I THINK IN THE FUTURE AT THAT KNOW, ORDER FOR US TO HELP, MAYBE WE SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE, ON THE FRONT END OF THINGS, [00:50:01] SOMEHOW SOME WAY. SO I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. SO, AND THEN JUST ONE CLARIFICATION IS THIS FOR FISCAL YEAR 23 TO 27? YES. OKAY. THERE'S JUST A FEW REFERENCES TO 22 TO 27. SO I WANTED TO IT'S FISCAL 23. I, UM, BECAUSE I, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME, AND MAYBE SOMETIME THAT THE CIP HAD ACTUALLY BEEN PRESENTED TO PLANNING COMMISSION, I WENT AHEAD AND LEFT FISCAL 22. AND SO YOU ALL COULD SEE WHAT WAS APPROVED FOR LAST YEAR, JUST AS KIND OF A POINT OF BACKGROUND. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CERTAINLY WE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT. SURE. I MOVED THAT PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE FY 22 THROUGH FY 27 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN TO THE TOWN COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A SECOND? YEAH, ONE SECOND. OKAY. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE AMEND THE MOTION TO BE FISCAL YEAR 23 TO 27. YEAH. RIGHT. 23 TO 27. RIGHT. RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, I BELIEVE WE CAN VOTE ON THAT NOW. UM, MS. POTTER, CAN YOU OKAY? COMMISSIONER GORDON? YES. VICE CHAIRMAN MARSH NER, YES. COMMISSIONER INGRAM. YES. COMMISSIONER MERCHANT. YES. CHAIRMAN JONES. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU EVERYONE. UM, MR. CHAIR, JUST ONE LITTLE POINT. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK, UH, MS. FOR HER EFFORTS ON THIS. IT'S A LOT OF WORK, A LOT OF TEDIOUS WORK. HE DID A GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. AND TO OUR, TO DEPARTMENT HIS TONIGHT, UH, MR. BOYER, MR. JENKINS. I DID GOOD WORK GUYS DURING THIS LAST ICE STORM. UH, THIS WAS, UH, VERY DIFFICULT CONDITIONS TO WORK IN. UH, SO ALL YOUR GUYS OUT THERE, UH, I KNOW YOU'RE SHORT STAFFED. UH, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. THANK YOU. YEAH, YOU'RE HERE. WELL SAID, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THERE IS NO NEW BUSINESS. AND THEN THERE IS A DIRECTOR'S [IX. DIRECTORS REPORT] REPORT, EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT PRESENTATION. SO, UM, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A DOCUMENT, RIGHT? YES. WE HAVE PROVIDED A COPY OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT. SO THIS IS FROM SUMMIT WHO IS DOING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REWRITE THIS REPORT. UM, THIS SERVES TO THIS CREATES THE EMPIRICAL DATA THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WILL BE BASED OFF OF. SO IT'S DEMOGRAPHIC DATA, ECONOMIC DATA, AND GEOGRAPHIC. UM, TONIGHT I'M JUST GOING TO HIT SOME OF THE HIGH POINTS, UM, THAT ARE IN THIS REPORT. UM, SO AS FAR AS LIKE DEMOGRAPHIC DATA, WE ARE EXPECTED TO, UM, HAVE POPULATION GROWTH IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS THAT WILL CREATE THE NEED FOR AN ADDITIONAL 2200 HOMES WITHIN TOWN LIMITS. UM, THE 95% OF THE POPULATION IN THE TOWN IS, HAS, WAS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE A SECTION ON HOUSING. SO 76% OF THE HOMES ARE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED OR DETACHED DWELLINGS AND 24% OR SOME TYPE OF MULTIFAMILY. UM, AND OF THE HOMES IN TOWN, 41% ARE RENTED AS OPPOSED TO OWNER OCCUPIED. UM, AND THEN 41%, OR SORRY, 39 TO, UM, 59% OF THE HOMES WERE BUILT, UM, IN THE EARLIER PART OF THE CENTURY. SO MOST OF THE ACTUAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS TOWN HAPPENED BEFORE, UM, 1970, WHICH I KIND OF FOUND INTERESTING, UM, 16% OF FRONT RAILS RESIDENTS FALL UNDER THE POVERTY LIMIT. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RACIAL BREAKDOWN, IT APPEARS TO BE EVENLY DISTRIBUTED. AND WHEN YOU GO TO THE ECONOMIC DATA, UM, THE HOSPITAL AND VALLEY HEALTH ARE THE, IS THE LARGEST EMPLOYER FOLLOWED BY, UM, MARTINS AND THEN THE TOWN COUNTY, UM, AND THEN RURAL KING, THOSE ARE THE LARGEST. UM, AND WE ARE CERTAINLY A BEDROOM COMMUNITY. I KNOW THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT GOT ASKED AT THE, UM, THE PUBLIC INPUT SESSIONS BACK IN NOVEMBER. UM, AND I KNOW COUNCIL HAS ASKED THAT, BUT APPROXIMATELY 63% OF THE POPULATION WORKS OUTSIDE OF TOWN AND A QUARTER OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN TOWN COMMUTE MORE THAN AN HOUR [00:55:01] TO WORK. AND THEN FOR OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, 94% OF OUR ROADS ARE PUBLIC AND 6% ARE PRIVATE AND 84% OF OUR HOUSES HAVE ACCESS TO BROADBAND INTERNET. AND THEN AS FOR THE GEOGRAPHY, I THINK THE MAIN TAKEAWAY THERE IS THAT 43% OF THE LAND IN TOWN IS UNDEVELOPED, BUT 20% OF THAT LAND, UM, OR SORRY, 20% OF THE LAND IN TOWN IS NOT SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT'S DUE TO STEEP SLOPES. UM, AND, UH, THE, YOU HAVE THE SHRINK, SWELL SOILS AS WELL AS A FLOODPLAIN. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE EMPLOYMENT, THE STATEMENT THAT THERE THERE'S DIVERSITY IN THE TOWN'S WORKFORCE, AND WE HAVE A QUARTER OF THE TOWN'S WORKFORCE EMPLOYED IN ONE SECTOR, IS IT, IS THAT REALLY DIVERSE? I MADE THAT COMMENT. I PROVIDED SOME COMMENTS TO SUMMIT AND THAT WAS ONE OF THEM. AND I SEE THAT STATEMENT IS STILL IN HERE. I JUST A QUESTION OF THAT IS REALLY DIVERSE, BUT THIS ONE IS, AND WHEN WE SPOKE WITH SUMMIT, THEY DID APPRECIATE THE PLANNING, COMMISSION'S INPUT AND FEEDBACK, ESPECIALLY YOU AND CHAIRMAN JONES, YOU PROVIDED SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS, AND THAT WAS APPRECIATED. UM, IT'S AN A SECOND ROUND OF SOME COMMENTS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY MISSED IT. DID YOU SEND THOSE ON TO SUMMIT? OKAY. IS THIS DOCUMENT PUBLICLY AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE? YES. SO ON OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WEBSITE, THIS DOCUMENT IS AVAILABLE AS WELL AS THAT INTERACTIVE MAP. THE SURVEY IS STILL UP. UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE A VISIONING, I GUESS, ACTIVITY IS WHAT YOU WOULD CALL IT, BUT THE TOWN CAN, OR THE RESIDENTS CAN LOG IN OR GO TO THAT WEBSITE, SORRY. AND JUST TYPE IN WHAT THEY SEE AS THE VISION FOR THIS TOWN. I SAW ONE CORRECTION THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE MADE AS ON PAGE 24, UH, TALKS ABOUT WAR MEMORIAL HOSPITAL HOSPITAL REASONABLY CHANGED THE LOCATION AND IS HOUSED IN A NEW FACILITY ON SHANANDOAH AVENUE. YEP. SO THAT'S GOT TO BE LEAKED YOU'RE ON PARKWAY, I THINK. AND I BELIEVE THEY FIXED THAT IN THE MAP. HMM. YEAH. IT'S UPDATED ON THE MAP AND IN THE TABLE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY MISSED IT IN THE TEXT. OKAY. AND IS THERE ANY WAY THEY CAN GET JOE'S STEAKHOUSE REMOVED FROM THE TABLE? OKAY. I DO SEE THAT IT'S CLOSED IN 2021. I THOUGHT IT CLOSED BEFORE THAT. SO IT NO LONGER HAS 25 EMPLOYEES. THERE WERE, YEAH. MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY MAKE A COMMENT, PLEASE. UH, LAUREN, WHAT IS THE SCHEDULE NOW? UH, WE HAVE THIS DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF US. ARE WE SUPPOSED TO REVIEW IT AND MAKE COMMENTS BACK TO SUMMIT? WE CAN USE A BODY CAM. OKAY. BECAUSE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'VE FOUND A LOT OF SUGGESTIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE TIME TONIGHT TO GO OVER THAT. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR OUR NEXT WORK SESSION AND GIVE COMMENTS? CAUSE I KNOW COMMISSIONER GORDON HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS, WELL PLACED COMMENTS, AND I HAVE SOME, ESPECIALLY ON THE MAPPING INFORMATION AS WELL AS AN APPOINTMENT SECTION. UH, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DIG INTO THIS ON OUR NEXT WORK SESSION, IF POSSIBLE, KEN, THIS DOCUMENT WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND WHEN WE SPOKE WITH SUMMIT, WE HAVE, UM, UPDATE MEETINGS WITH THEM EVERY TWO WEEKS. UM, THEY HAVE TAKEN WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION HAS PREVIOUSLY WRITTEN. SO WE ARE STARTING TO HAVE A SKELETON DOCUMENT AND THIS WILL BE PART OF IT SO WE CAN ABSOLUTELY THE NEXT WORK SESSION MAKE CHANGES TO. OKAY. SO THAT WOULDN'T SLOW ANYTHING UP OR CREATE A PROBLEM. UM, MAYBE WE COULD EVEN SOMEONE UP HERE, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THAT'S IN THE CONTRACTOR, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'LL BE ABLE TO COME UP FOR THIS WORK SESSION, BUT I THINK THE NEXT TIME THEY'LL BE ABLE TO COME UP WOULD BE MAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. IT SEEMED LIKE THE TROLLEY SERVICE, THE VERY LAST ONE WAS QUITE INCOMPLETE. SO I ASSUME THAT EVERY DAY EFFORTS TO FILL IN THOSE CIRCLES. YES, SIR. AND THE TROLLEY CONTINUES TO HAVE A SECRET SCHEDULE IN REGARDS TO THE NUMBERING. YES. YES. AND THEN THEY WONDER WHY THEY HAVE LOW RIDERSHIP. NOBODY KNOWS HOW TO GET ON [01:00:01] IT. THAT'S TRUE. YEAH. YEAH. IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE WEB, YOU CAN FIND OUT WHERE TO GET THE TROLLEY. BUT IF YOU ARE STANDING ON A STREET CORNER LOOKING FOR A SIGN, LIKE IN ANY OTHER CITY IN THE WORLD THAT HAS A BUS OF ANY KIND, THERE ARE SIGNS THAT HERE. YEAH. OKAY. UH, THANK YOU. UM, FOR, FOR THAT, UH, INFORMATION, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND, UM, I GUESS WE ARE, I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THAT A BIT FURTHER IN THEIR NEXT WORK SESSION. AND CAN I ALSO ADD, UM, AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION WE'LL POTENTIALLY HAVE, WELL, WE DO HAVE TWO SUP APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO MY DEPARTMENT, SO THOSE WILL ALSO NEED TO BE DISCUSSED. OKAY. SO THAT'S FOR POST RIVER EDGE IS ONE OF THEM FOR A CAMPGROUND. AND THE OTHER ONE WAS, UM, C SUE, LLC FOR APARTMENTS ON MAIN STREET. OKAY. YEAH. WE'VE HEARD THAT ONE BEFORE THEY HAVEN'T ADOPTED. OKAY. UM, DO WE HAVE COMMISSIONED MEMBER REPORTS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I MOVE, WE ADJOURN THE MEETING ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.