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          ALL RIGHT. 
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LIKE WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE TELEWORK 
          [Town Council Work Session on October 19, 2021.]
SESSION CALLED THE 19 20 21. 
          SO I LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO FOR A MOMENT, PUT THAT LANE, UM, GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, UM, JOINING LAUREN AND I THIS EVENING ARE AND RV AND MICHAEL STEEPER STEEPER FROM SOME, AN ENGINEERING. 
          AND WE ARE DELIGHTED TO BE HERE THIS EVENING. 
          UM, AND TO KICK OFF OUR COMPETENCE WITH PLAN, I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THE TOWN HAS BEEN LOOKING AT DOING FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
          IT'S BEEN, I THINK SINCE 1998, WHICH WAS THE LAST STUFF THEY, AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF EXCITEMENT AND ENERGY IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, LOOKING FOR, TO, YOU KNOW, AN UPDATED PLANS AND UPDATING THE ZONING CODES AND THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. 
          SO I DON'T WANT TO TAKE TOO MUCH TIME AWAY FROM THE PRESENTATION AND IS GOING TO KICK IT OFF. 
          AND THEN WE'LL BE WORKING THROUGH THE PACKET OF INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, WHICH IS A FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL PACKET. 
          SO I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANY MORE TIME AWAY FROM, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL COMMUNICATION OR AN, I REMEMBER THE COUNCIL. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. 
          MY NAME IS ANN DARBY. 
          I'M THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT MANAGER FOR SUMMIT DESIGN AND ENGINEERING, AND HERE TO KICK OFF NOT ONE BUT TWO PROCESSES. 
          ONE IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, AND THE NEXT WILL BE THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE UPDATES. 
          WE'RE GOING TO DO BOTH PROCESSES IN 18 MONTHS, DOVETAILED TOGETHER, STARTING THE ZONING ORDINANCE BEFORE THE COMP PLAN IS ADOPTED. 
          BUT AFTER THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, STRATEGIES AND FUTURE LAND USE MAP HAVE BECOME SOLIDIFIED. 
          SO IN TERMS OF VERY BASIC, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CAN GET VERY COMPLICATED, BUT THE VERY BASICS ARE WE ESTABLISHED WHERE WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY. 
          A LOT OF THAT HAS DATA, UM, CENSUS DATA AND, UM, ON THE GROUND ANALYSIS, WE, AS A COMMUNITY DECIDE WHERE WE WANT TO GO AND THROUGH VISIONING THROUGH MEETING THROUGH INPUT, THROUGH SURVEY RESPONSES, AND THE PLAN IS EXTENSIVELY, THE STEPS THAT IT TAKES TO GET FROM HERE TO THERE. 
          SO AS I SAID, IT CAN GET COMPLICATED, BUT IN A NUTSHELL, IT'S ACTUALLY A VERY, IT'S A SIMPLE PROCESS. 
          THE PLAN WILL THEN BE A GUIDING DOCUMENT. 
          IT SHOULD BE A VERY USEFUL DOCUMENT, THE CURRENT DOCUMENT, AND IT ADDRESSES ALL OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT IN THE TOWN IN TERMS OF WHERE YOU WANT TO DEVELOP, WHAT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY WANT IN DIFFERENT PLACES. 
          UM, IT USES VISIONS, UH, VISIONING, AS I SAID TO ESTABLISH WHERE, WHERE YOU WANT TO GO AND THEN GOALS AND OBJECTIVES TO GET FROM HERE TO THERE. 
          UM, AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT, UH, COMP PLAN IS ALSO VALUABLE IS THAT IT PROVIDES ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS IN THE COMMUNITY TO GIVE HIM WHERE THE COMMUNITY CAN GO AS A COLLECTIVE WHOLE. 
          WHY IS IT IMPORTANT FOR THE LOCAL IT FOR A LOCALITY TO UPDATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? SO, AS KATHY SAID, THE LAST PLANNING PROCESS IN FRONT ROYAL STARTED IN 1996 AND IT ENDED IN 1998. 
          UH, AND THAT TIME THE PLAN WAS ADOPTED. 
          IF YOU THINK ABOUT 1998, THINK ABOUT WHAT'S CHANGED IN 1998. 
          LITERALLY THE BOUNDARIES OF THE TOWN ARE NOT THE SAME. 
          THE BUILDING CODES ARE NOT THE SAME. 
          THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE TOWN ARE NOT THE SAME. 
          THE REGIONAL SITUATION IS NOT THE SAME. 
          SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE TOWN UPDATES THE PLAN SO THAT YOU HAVE A CURRENT RELEVANT GUIDING DOCUMENT THAT'S BASED ON CURRENT BEST PRACTICES AND ALSO VISION OF CURRENT LEADERSHIP AND CURRENT STAKEHOLDERS. 
          UM, I ACTUALLY TOOK THE BULLETS THAT YOU SEE IN THIS BOX FROM YOUR CURRENT WEBSITE, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL SO RELEVANT. 
          SO THE PURPOSE IS A COMP OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          UM, IT'S A GUIDING DOCUMENT AND IT BASICALLY OUTLINED. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE IN ONE DOCUMENT HOW THIS DECISIONS NOW ARE GOING TO AFFECT THE FUTURE. 
          IT'S A WAY OF AFFECTING THE FUTURE BY TAKING ACTION. 
          NOW IT PROVIDES FOR THE INTERESTS OF THE TOWN AS A COLLECTIVE WHOLE. 
          THAT'S A GREAT PHRASE, THAT'S ON YOUR CURRENT WEBSITE, SO THAT IT'S A TIME FOR THE COMMUNITY TO REALLY THINK TOGETHER. 
          AND THAT'S, OUR JOB IS TO BRING ALL OF, ALL OF THESE DISPARATE STAKEHOLDER VOICES TOGETHER TO HAVE A COLLECTIVE VISION. 
          AND THEN, UH, AND AGAIN, ENHANCING THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE TOWN AND THEN PUBLIC SERVICES, NATURAL RESOURCES, ALL OF THESE WILL BE ELEMENTS IN THE PLAN, TRANSPORTATION, HOUSING, UH, OPEN SPACE, NOT FOR RESOURCES, ET CETERA. 
          AND WHY ARE WE UPDATING THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE? THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IS, UM, HAS, IT'S BEEN A LONG, MANY YEARS SINCE THE ORDINANCES WERE ADDRESSED TOGETHER. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN PIECEMEAL UPDATES, BUT IN GENERAL, UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF BARRIERS TO DEVELOPMENT, SOME UNNECESSARY STEPS, UNNECESSARY, UM, VARIOUS FOR, FOR DEVELOPERS AND ALL OF THAT CAN BE, CAN BE REMOVED WITH THE CONSISTENT ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE UPDATE. 
          WE UPDATE ORDERS AFTER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          IT'S ALL BASED ON THE VISIONING WHERE THE TOWN WANTS TO GO, THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, WHAT ALL THAT'S GOING TO LOOK 
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LIKE, ALL THAT WILL AFFECT THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION. 
          AND IT ALSO, UH, WE HAVE THE WORD ARBITRARY IN THERE OR ARBITRARILY AND DO THE ZONING, WHICH IS A LAW CHANGE AFTER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE NOT MAKING AN ARBITRARY OR CAPRICIOUS LEGAL DECISION. 
          SO ALL OF THAT, WE'RE DOING IT IN THE ORDER. 
          WE ARE DOVETAILING THE TWO PROCESSES SO THAT THE COMP PLAN WILL TAKE ABOUT NINE MONTHS AND THEN THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE WE'LL TAKE ABOUT NINE MONTHS. 
          AND SO IN ORDER TO GET THEM DONE IN AS TIMELY, A MANNER AS POSSIBLE, WE ARE OVERLAPPING THEM AGAIN. 
          HOW DOES THE COMP PLAN, AND THEN NOTING ORDINANCE FIT TOGETHER COMPLICATED. 
          WE'LL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT TYPES OF LAND USES, WHAT BUILDINGS SHOULD LOOK LIKE, HOW YOU WANT, WHAT YOU WANT INFILL DEVELOPMENT TO LOOK LIKE, WHERE JUST REAL OR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THEN ALL OF THAT, THEN A FUTURE AFFECTS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WHICH IS REALLY THE HUB OF THE LAND USE PLAN. 
          AND THEN THAT CHANGES THE ZONING, THE ZONING MAP. 
          AND THAT'S OFFICIALLY WHAT THE LEGALLY BINDING LIAM JUICE REQUIREMENTS ARE. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS ALREADY STARTED COMING UP IS HOW CAN WE TAKE WHAT'S WORKING IN FRONT WORLD AND CREATE MORE OF THAT. 
          SO WE HERE, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED HERE AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED THE INPUT PROCESS, BUT ALREADY STARTED HEARING THE PEOPLE IN FRONT ROYAL. 
          IT SOUNDS, IT SEEMS ARE VERY AS WELL. 
          THEY SHOULDN'T BE PROUD OF THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN OF THE SMALL TOWN CHARACTER OF THE WALKABLE NATURE. 
          HOW DO YOU TAKE MORE OF THAT AND REPLICATE IT? I THINK OBVIOUSLY THE DOWNTOWN AREA WAS BUILT IN A DIFFERENT TIME WITH DIFFERENT REGULATIONS AND DIFFERENT MARKETS. 
          BUT WHAT WE FIGURED OUT IS HOW TO, UM, HOW TO IN THIS MARKET IN THIS TIME REPLICATE MORE OF THAT, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE MORE OF WHAT'S WORKING MORE OF WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS IN FRONT ROYAL AND LESS OF MAYBE WHAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT. 
          SO, AND ANOTHER THING THAT HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT WE WANT THE PLAN AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO BE ON SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, TO BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY. 
          AND I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE CONTRADICTORY AT ALL. 
          WHAT WORKS FOR, UH, BUSINESSES WILL HAVE TO WORK FOR RESIDENTS. 
          JADA HAS PROVEN OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THAT BUSINESSES WANT TO LOCATE IN PLACES WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE. 
          SO IF A BUSINESS WERE CONSIDERING RELOCATING THE FRONT AND WHAT ROYAL, THEY ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES AND THEIR STAFF, AND THAT ALL FACTORS INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REWRITE WILL MAKE ALSO THE COUNTY MORE BUSINESS FRIENDLY BY ELIMINATING REDUNDANCIES, UNNECESSARY STEPS, UM, RULES THAT DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE AND BRING IT INTO THE, INTO CONTEMPORARY BEST PRACTICES. 
          AND THIS REALLY IS THE, THIS WILL BE THE CRUX OF THIS EVENING. 
          AND ALSO TOMORROW EVENING'S JOINT PLANNING, COMMISSION AND TOWN COUNCIL MEETING. 
          AND THAT IS JUST TOO, AT THE BEGINNING, WE ESTABLISHED A BASELINE OF EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT OUR JOB IS, WHAT STAFF'S JOB IS, WHAT TOWN COUNCIL'S RESPONSIBILITIES WILL BE AT DIFFERENT BENCHMARKS IN THE PLAN AND WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION'S RESPONSIBILITY WILL BE LIKE. 
          SO VIRGINIA STATE CODE CHAPTER 15.2, I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH IT, TOWNS AND CITIES. 
          UM, AND THEN 15.2 TO TWO, TWO TO THREE DESCRIBES THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS AND THE DIFFERENT ROLES. 
          UM, THAT PART OF VIRGINIA STATE CODE PUTS THE, UH, THE ONUS OR THE CREATION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE LAP OF PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          HOWEVER, IN REALITY, THAT ALMOST NEVER, NEVER HAPPENED. 
          THE BLANC COMMISSION DOESN'T CREATE THE PLAN ALMOST IN EVERY CASE, STAFFING A CONSULTANT CREATE THE PLAN. 
          SO DURING THIS PLANNING PROCESS, THE PLANNING TEAM, WHICH WILL BE OUR CONSULTANT WORKING WITH, UM, WITH TOWN STAFF WILL CREATE DIFFERENT BENCHMARKS AND WE'LL COME TO TOWN COUNCIL AND TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR, WITH DELIVERABLES AT ALL OF THESE BENCHMARKS, I'LL GO THROUGH A SCHEDULE. 
          SO THAT WAY YOUR PROCESS IS GUIDED BY DATA GUIDED BY BEST PLANNING PRACTICES, GUIDING MY PUBLIC INPUT, AND THEN GUIDED BY YOUR STRATEGIC DECISIONS SO THAT IT'S ORGANIZED AND YOUR INPUT IS ABLE TO, UM, TO HAVE THE MOST IMPACT. 
          AGAIN, WHY IS PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SO IMPORTANT TO THE PROCESS AND HOW DO WE GET IT? THIS IS ACTUALLY, IF YOU CAN LOOK IN YOUR PACKETS, YOU WILL FIND CLOSER TO THE BACK THIS, I THINK IT'S FOUR SHEET BY SHEET. 
          SOME OF THAT WE SET A 10% AND IF THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU GOT IT, YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S OKAY, I'M GOING TO READ IT. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE FOR YOU TO SEE IT. 
          BUT, UM, WE'VE SET AN AGGRESSIVE BENCHMARK FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, WHICH IS 
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10% OF RESIDENTS OF FRONT RURAL. 
          IT'S ABOUT 1500 PEOPLE HAVING SOME TOUCH TOUCHDOWN WITH THE PLANNING PROCESS. 
          SO WHAT ARE THAT IS FILLING OUT A SURVEY, VISITING THE WEBSITE AND, AND SUBMITTING A VISION STATEMENT COMING TO A PUBLIC MEETING, ET CETERA. 
          SO THERE ARE LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT PEOPLE CAN BE INVOLVED IN THE PLAN. 
          AND WE'RE GOING TO TRACK THIS, UM, BECAUSE NOT ONLY DOES IT MAKE EVERYONE INVESTED IN THE PLAN, AND THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO USE THE PLAN TOO, IN TERMS OF, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO APPLY FOR GRANTS, IF IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT MAKES YOU MORE ELIGIBLE, ET CETERA, SO-AND-SO THE DOCUMENT CAN BE USED BY A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE. 
          WELL, HOW ALL THESE METHODS OF GATHERING INPUT? THE OTHER THING THAT, UH, AS I KINDA MENTIONED EARLIER, THE OTHER THING THAT HAVING A LOT OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IN THE PROCESS DOES IS IT MAKES IT, UH, GIVES EVERYONE VIA BY HAND, BUT IT MAKES THE DECISIONS LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO WORK HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THIS IN, IN, IN THE PROCESS. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, THE STEPS TO MAKE THE PLAN. 
          THEY'RE PRETTY SIMPLE IN A NUTSHELL, AS I SAID, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HIT THESE KEY MILESTONES. 
          AND I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THAT STAFF HAS ALREADY SHOWED YOU ALL A SCHEDULE WITH THE STARS ON IT, BUT IT'S A GANTT CHART WITH STARS ON IT. 
          SO THERE ARE CERTAIN TIMES THAT TOWN COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION BOTH DEFINITELY NEED TO WEIGH IN THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD STYMIE US. 
          WE COULDN'T MOVE FORWARD IF WE DIDN'T HAVE YOUR APPROVAL ON CERTAIN ELEMENTS. 
          AND THEN CERTAIN TIMES WOULD, WE'D LOVE FOR YOU TO BE INVOLVED. 
          IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, UM, NOT NECESSARILY DOESN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN, BUT SO THIS SPECIAL MEETING IS THE FIRST WE'RE KICKING OFF THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW, TOMORROW, AS YOU ALL KNOW, YOU'RE ALL INVITED TO A LEADERSHIP FORUM WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S TO ESTABLISH A BASELINE. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THOSE THINGS ARE VERY, TO THE NEXT PHASE, WE'LL COME UP WITH AN EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT. 
          IT'S ONE OF THE FIRST ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN, AND IT IS REALLY ALL OF THE DATA AND ALL OF THE MAPS THAT THE PLAN WILL BE BASED ON. 
          SO WE WILL HAVE MAPS OF, UH, TRANSPORTATION, ELEMENTS OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, OF WATER, SEWER OF OPEN SPACE. 
          SOON YOU LIKE MAPS. 
          THIS IS A VERY EXCITING PART OF THE PROCESS. 
          UM, AND WE WOULD LOVE FOR AS WE'VE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S OPTIONAL, BUT THIS DECEMBER WE'LL PUBLISH THAT ON THE WEBSITE. 
          WE'LL CREATE A WEBSITE FOR THE PLAN. 
          WE'LL PUBLISH THAT. 
          AND WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE COUNCIL INPUT. 
          AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE MEETINGS, PUBLIC MEETINGS IN JANUARY. 
          WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOME COUNCIL INVOLVEMENT. 
          UM, AND THEN AGAIN, REVIEWING COMMENT ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UM, I CALL IT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THE HUB OF THE PLAN EARLIER. 
          AND IT REALLY IS WHAT ALL OF THE REST OF THE PLAN OR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PLAN WILL BE BASED ON, IT REALLY SAYS, THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO GROW UP. 
          THIS IS HOW WE WANT TO GROW UP. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE. 
          UM, AND WE, WE WON'T MOVE FORWARD UNLESS WE HAVE, AND THAT'LL BE NEXT, MAY WE WON'T MOVE FORWARD UNTIL, UNTIL WE HAVE YOUR APPROVAL ON THAT. 
          SO IF WE GET, IF THE FIRST PATH IS GREAT, WE'LL MOVE ON THIS. 
          IF IT'S NOT GREAT, WE'LL WORK WITH YOU UNTIL WE GET TO A POINT THAT YOU ARE SATISFIED WITH IT, THAT YOU FEEL CONFIDENT ABOUT IT. 
          OKAY, WE'RE MOVING ON. 
          SO THAT'LL BE NEXT MAY PUBLIC OPEN HOUSES NEXT SUMMER, AGAIN, OPTIONAL, BUT WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU ATTEND. 
          UM, AND THEN FINAL REVIEW AND ADOPTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND NEXT SEPTEMBER. 
          AND AS I SAID, THAT'S SOMETIMES CAN TAKE SOME TIME. 
          SO I'M REVIEWING, IT'S GOING TO BE A LAW, A LONG DOCUMENT. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO, UM, TO DIGEST, TO DIG INTO ASK US QUESTIONS. 
          MAYBE THERE'S GOING TO BE BACK AND FORTH. 
          THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE BACK AND FORTH AND CHANGES. 
          UM, AND SO, BECAUSE WE DID NOT WANT TO WAIT FOR THAT ADOPTION TO START THE ZONING AS STUDENTS, WE KNOW THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, STRATEGIES, AND FUTURE LAND USE. 
          THEN WE CAN START WITH THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION BECAUSE THAT WAY THE, THE PLAN DOCUMENT AND THE DRAFT CAN BE POSTED FOR COUNCIL COMMENT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, AND WE CAN KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH, BUT WE'LL START WITH THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION BECAUSE IT'S REALLY THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THAT ARE GOING TO INFORM THEM. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, A FINAL DRAFT OF THE DENNING AND SUBDIVISION AND ADOPTION, WE WILL DEFINITELY NEED YOUR INPUT AND WE NEED YOU TO BE OBVIOUSLY VERY SATISFIED WITH THE DOCUMENT. 
          THERE WILL BE BACK AND FORTH THERE. 
          WE'LL BE TAKING YOUR INPUT AT EVERY PHASE AT ANY PHASE. 
          UM, AND THEN, AND SO YOU CAN TALK TO THE STAFF, OKAY. 
          INFORMATION TO US. 
          WELL, WE'RE ACTING AS A PLANNING TEAM WITH KATHY AND LAUREN. 
          AND SO, UM, THAT WE'RE ALWAYS AVAILABLE. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ONE OF THESE BENCHMARKS FOR US TO TAKE YOUR FEEDBACK, YOUR COMMENTS, OR ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, AND TO THINK THERE'S ONE LAST SIDE ONE, AND THESE ARE JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHTS TO TAKE WITH YOU. 
          SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE NEXT 18 MONTHS, WHAT ARE THE PITFALLS, 
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WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN AND HOW DO WE AVOID THAT? UM, AND THEN ALSO THIS IS A THING THAT I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO BE AWARE OF THAT I TRIED TO TALK ABOUT WHEN I TALK ABOUT PLANNING PROCESSES. 
          AND ONE IS THAT THE SYSTEMIC THINKING THAT THAT'S GOING TO, OR A BIRD'S EYE VIEW AS WE CALL IT HERE, BUT THAT IT TAKES TO INFORM A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR TO, TO, UM, TO WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          IT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN YOUR HUMANIZED VIEW, YOUR STREET-LEVEL VIEW. 
          UM, I OFTEN SAY THAT I'M SPLIT BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE. 
          I'M A RESIDENT AND I'M A PLANNER, RIGHT? AND AS A RESIDENT, I WANT TO DRIVE FASTER AND EMPTY STREETS AND PARKED DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF EVERYWHERE I GO, RIGHT. 
          I WANT CONVENIENCE, RIGHT? AS A PLANNER, I SEE THAT IF EVER NO ONE, WE CAN'T ALL HAVE THAT. 
          YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT SYSTEMICALLY AND SAY, WELL, WE CAN'T BUILD OURSELVES OUT OF PARKING. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, NOT EVERYONE CAN PARK. 
          SO YOU CAN START TO JUST SORT OF A LITTLE MENTAL EXERCISE AS WE START TO GO THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS TO THINK OF THINGS. 
          AND IN PLANNING, PLANNING, WE CALL IT SYSTEMIC THINKING. 
          BIRD'S EYE VIEW. 
          IT MAKES SENSE TO IT, TO JUST IMAGINE THAT YOU'RE SEEING ALL THE PARTS WORKING TOGETHER. 
          AND THAT'S IT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR I CAN HAND IT OVER TO LAUREN. 
          DEFINITELY PIGGYBACK SOFTWARE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BIRD'S EYE VIEW. 
          UM, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT VISION AND CORE VALUES. 
          SO ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS IS THAT WE WANT TO SET THE VISION STATEMENT FOR THE TOWN. 
          SO WHEN THE ARCADE, WHAT DOES OIL LOOK LIKE IN 20 TO 30 YEARS? IT'S AN EXAMPLE. 
          UM, SO WHEN YOU 20 TO 30, IT WILL BE A SAFE ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS COMMUNITY THAT VALUES AND SUBTRACT ITS NATURAL RESOURCES AND STRIVES TO PROTECT THE HISTORICAL INTEGRITY OF ARCHITECTURE AND PRESERVE ITS SMALL TOWN CHARM. 
          IT WILL PROVIDE FOR AN ABUNDANCE OF HOUSING TYPES TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF ALL RESIDENTS WHILE PROVIDING A BUSINESS FRIENDLY CULTURE, TO PROMOTE ECONOMIC PROSPERITY AND ENCOURAGE HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPERS. 
          AND THE REASON THAT WE COME UP WITH THIS VISION STATEMENT. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS IS OUR BIRD'S EYE VIEW. 
          THIS IS THE GENERAL GOAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENT FOR THE NEXT 20 TO 30 YEARS. 
          BUT THIS HELPS US OBTAIN A COMMUNITY. 
          THAT'S GOING TO BE VIBRANT, HEALTHY, SUSTAINABLE, LIVABLE, AND HAVE THE FEATURES THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY, YOU COUNSELED ONCE A CITY AND JUST KIND OF DEVELOP THE SO YOU'VE GOT DIVISION, WHICH IS YOUR HIGH HOUSE TO VIEW, AND THEN YOU HAVE FOUR VALUES. 
          SO THIS IS WHAT WE ADHERE TO, TO HELP US REALIZE THAT VISION. 
          SO WE HAVE A SMALL TOWN CHARACTER, WE HAVE ECONOMIC SUSTAINABILITY TOWARDS THEM, ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY, HOUSING, SUSTAINABILITY MOBILITY, AND ACCESSIBILITY, PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT, RELIABLE UTILITY SERVICES, WE'RE RESPONSIVE AND ACCOUNTABLE GOVERNANCE. 
          AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO LOOK, YOU'VE GOT, YOU ALL HAVE THIS DOCUMENT HERE. 
          THIS IS THE OUTLINE VALUES YOU CAN PUT, OOPS, ON THAT WE CAN GET YOUR IDEAS PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION. 
          SO UNDER SMALL-TOWN CHARACTER, WE KIND OF BREAK IT DOWN TO FESTIVALS AND EVENTS, ANY INVOLVEMENT WE HAVE, UM, PUBLIC ART. 
          SO LET'S LET THE MURALS AND THE INITIATIVES WE'RE TAKING TO KIND OF BEAUTIFY THIS TOWN REVITALIZATION OF DOWNTOWN WITH COMMUNITY APPEARANCE. 
          WE HAVE THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. 
          WE HAVE HISTORIC PRESERVATION MEASURES AND THE ORDINANCES THAT WE'VE ALREADY ENACTED. 
          UM, THE TOURISM, IF OUR GOAL IS TO BE A REGIONAL TOURISM DESTINATION, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE OBTAIN THAT? SO WE HAVE REGIONAL ATTRACTION. 
          UM, WE HAVE THE AIRPORT IT'S KIND OF MAKES THIS AREA MORE ACCESSIBLE. 
          WE'VE ALSO GOT NEW 66 81, AND THEN WE HAVE SHENANDOAH. 
          UM, WE HAVE THE RIVER. 
          SO ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE KIND OF, UM, THIS IS HOW WE ACHIEVE THE GOAL OF TOURISM. 
          SO THEN WE HAVE ECONOMIC SUSTAINABILITY WHERE WE WANT TO PROMOTE OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES, ENCOURAGE DIVERSE SHOPPING AND DINING OPPORTUNITIES. 
          WE WANT TO HAVE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT FOR A SKILLED LABOR FORCE. 
          DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY OR DO WE WANT TO WORK TOWARDS HOW THEY WERE JOBS HERE IN TOWN THAT PROVIDE PEOPLE A LIVABLE WAGE? 
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UM, AND THEN WE HAVE YOUR PUBLIC PRIVATE COLLABORATION, UM, REGIONAL ATTRACTIONS AND THE TOURISM ECONOMY, AGAIN, THAT THEY ALL THEY'RE ALL RELATED. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY. 
          WE HAVE THE SHENANDOAH RIVER. 
          SO AS A TOURISM DESTINATION, THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEAN. 
          IT NEEDS TO BE ACCESSIBLE. 
          PEOPLE NEED TO BE ABLE TO USE IT. 
          UM, WE SHOULD BE PROMOTING THE TRAILS OPEN SPACES THAT WE CAN HAVE OUTDOOR RECREATION THAT HOW THE SUSTAINABILITY, SO DIVERSE HOUSING STOCK FOR ALL INCOME LEVELS, AGES, AND ABILITIES. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE IN THIS TOWN, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN DESTROYED. 
          WE ARE TRYING TO PRESERVE IT, BUT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW, UM, WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE TO PRESERVE THAT ARCHITECTURE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE LOOK AT CHANGING ZONING. 
          AND IF YOU ARE, UM, RESIDENTIAL ARTS ARE HISTORIC OVERLAYS AND WE MOVE INTO THE ABILITY AND ACCESSIBILITY. 
          THESE ARE THE TRAVEL OPTIONS LIKE THRIVE. 
          WE HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. 
          SO WE WANT TO LOWER CRIME RATES. 
          UM, WE WANT TO ENACT DRUG PREVENTION PROGRAMS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE HELP THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT BY PROVIDING PHYSICAL, SORRY, QUALITY, PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH CARE, AND THEN, UM, RESPONSIVE AND ACCOUNTABLE GOVERNANCE, HOW DO WE MAKE, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND BE OPEN AND TRANSPARENT TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF TOWN AND THEN PUBLIC SERVICES. 
          WE NEED TO KEEP OUR SYSTEMS UP TO DATE OR UPDATE THEM AS NECESSARY. 
          HOW DO WE PROVIDE BROADBAND ACCESS FOR ALL RESIDENTS, UM, HAVE SAFE, RELIABLE WATER AND SANITARY SEWER SYSTEMS, EACH WELL-MAINTAINED ROADWAYS AND TRAIL NETWORKS, RELIABLE ENERGY SERVICES FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS AND CONTINUE TO HAVE RELIABLE AND EFFECTIVE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. 
          THE WAY THAT WE DO THIS IS WE HAVE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES. 
          SO IN OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, ONE OF THE GOALS THAT WE CAN SAY, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE UPSCALE BOUTIQUE HOTELS. 
          THESE ARE JUST IDEAS TO STRATEGIES THAT WE'VE THROWN TOGETHER. 
          UM, UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WANTING TO POTENTIALLY, UH, I GUESS WE WOULD ENACT DESIGN STANDARDS TO HELP, UM, I GUESS, MITIGATE SOME OF THE UNDESIRABLE USES. 
          SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE COULD INCLUDE, HAVE SPECIAL USE PERMITS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR ANY COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY IN THE ENTRANCE FOUR DOORS. 
          YOU CAN EXPAND THE ENTRANCE FORWARDS TO COVER CALLUM MARSHALL HIGHWAY OR, UM, ANY OF THE MAJOR ROADS COMING INTO TOWN THAT DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE, THAT THAT WOULD GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL OVER, UM, TO HANDLE CHANGES OF USE. 
          IF THINGS ARE GRANDFATHERED IN AND AREN'T UP TO DATE, WE WOULD REQUIRE THAT AS THEY CHANGE THEIR USE, WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY OBTAIN THEIR OWN PERMIT AND BECOME COMPLIANT WITH THE CURRENT CODE. 
          WE ALSO REQUIRE A SMALL AREA PLANS TO KIND OF DO BRECHT DEVELOPMENT REDEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, AND THAT ALSO HELPS US DEAL WITH INFILL DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO WE COULD HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS OR KIND OF HELP MAKE SURE THAT ANY NEW ELEMENT FITS IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I FEEL LIKE, UM, IT'S OKAY TO COMMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, I FEEL LIKE THE ONE ABOUT THE FOCUS USES THAT WE, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF INPUT NOW FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT THOSE TYPES OF TOPICS AND THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, JUST QUESTIONING A LOT ABOUT WHY WE HAVE SO MANY OF THIS AND WHY WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING THAT. 
          SO, UM, I'M ENCOURAGED THAT THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD ADDRESS THAT, RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO RIGHT NOW A LOT OF THOSE ARE BUY, RIGHT. 
          AND IF THEY'RE BY RIGHT, THEN THEY DON'T COME BEFORE YOU. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL AUTHORITY OVER THESE. 
          SO THERE ISN'T ANY CONTROL OVER HOW THESE THINGS LOOK KNOW THEY BELONG TO THAT PART OF TOWN IF THEY'RE APPROPRIATE, OR I'M NOT SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THOUGH. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          SO YEAH, MICHAEL'S, I'M GOING TO ASK IT ALL THE TIME OR AT LEAST CONTROL IT SOMEWHAT. 
          AND THAT'S ALSO AN ON THERE TOO, WE TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY AN ACTING FORM-BASED CODES AND IT MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE ENTIRE TOWN, BUT IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE IN SOME PLACES OF THE TOWN WHERE 
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WE REALLY ROLLED WHAT DEVELOPMENT LOOKS LIKE. 
          AND THEN THE USE SELF THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER AS MUCH, BUT THE IMPORTANCE IS ON HOW THE STRUCTURE LOOKS AND HOW IT FITS INTO THE COMMUNITY AND UPDATED. 
          AND THIS CAUSE THEN THERE'S SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE ON THERE ARE ON THIS LIST. 
          YOU PROBABLY TWEAKED IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED YOU WITH OUR CURRENT PLAN, ANYTHING, OUR FUTURE CHAPTER, AND THIS IS WHERE PORTION OF TONIGHT STILL APPLIES, CHANGES THIS KIND OF IDEAS, EVEN HOW YOU WANT TO DO. 
          I THINK THE MAIN THING IS WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS AS A GROUP. 
          UH, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO ESTABLISH VISION THAT WE SEE THE TOWN SHOULD LOVE. 
          AND I'VE HEARD PHRASES LIKE KEEPING THE CHARM FEEL MAXIMIZE ON OUR WATERFRONT PROPERTY OR RIVER, UH, CONTINUE TO, UM, LOOK AT EXPANDING, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR JOBS AND GROWTH. 
          UH, TOURISM IS A KEY COMPONENT. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'RE SEEKING OUT OF YOU AT THIS POINT IS IF YOU WERE TO JUST KIND OF THROW OUT SOME COMMON THINGS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE US ADDRESS THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL DURING THIS TIME, THIS IS MORE, ALMOST LIKE A WORKSHOP VERSUS A, UM, A WORK SESSION. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, ONE COULD BE, WE DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE ANYWHERE USA, YOU KNOW, WE MAY WANT TO KEEP, UH, UH, TOP THE CHARM CHARACTER WHERE MAYBE CERTAIN, UM, UH, INCENTIVES ARE PROVIDED FOR DIFFERENT MOM AND POP SHOPS OR UNIQUE, UH, SHOPS. 
          UH, I THINK IT'S OKAY THAT WE COME OUT, THAT WE WANT TO MINIMIZE CERTAIN TYPE OF RETAIL OR BUSINESSES MINIMIZE. 
          SOME OF OUR, THESE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS. 
          I'VE HEARD, NOT NECESSARILY YOUR THOUGHTS FOR US, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, UH, USE TIRE AND TIRE SHOPS OR AUTO STORES OR MORE OTHER TYPE OF CONVENIENCE STORES, GAS STATIONS ALONG CERTAIN CORRIDORS, UM, HOW WE KIND OF TARGET CERTAIN AREAS IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU ALL FEEL THAT IT'D BE NICE TO START DEVELOPING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN AREA AND WHAT'S THAT DEVELOPMENT MEAN TO YOU? UM, HOW DOES IT LOOK, UM, HOW DO YOU WANT THE OVERALL PARENTS OF THE TOWN? SO THIS IS REALLY AN AND LAUREN OR AN SHOULD. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY MUCH YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO PAINT HOW TOWN, WHERE IT WAS SHOVEL, AND THEN YOU JUST THROW OUT YOUR THOUGHTS TO US. 
          AND THEN IT'S, IT'S, IT'S OUR ROLE TO KIND OF PUT THAT IN WORDS AND TRY TO ARTICULATE, UM, HOW WE SHOULD GO ABOUT MAKING THIS TOWN. 
          GREAT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU CAN SAY OR HOW YOU WANT TO FACILITATE IT, BUT WE NEED TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT YOU'RE THINKING, HOW YOU SEE THIS. 
          I KNOW COUNSELING LAWYER PROVIDED SOME SALTS. 
          UH, YOU CAN SEE RIVER BEING A PART OF, UH, UH, STARTING POINT AND BUILDING OUT. 
          UM, I'VE HEARD DISCUSSION OF TRYING TO CREATE SOME TYPE OF WATER RESTAURANTS AND SHOPS AND OTHER TYPES OF ENTERTAINMENT IN CERTAIN AREAS. 
          UH, DO WE WANT MORE TRAILS? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR MULTIPURPOSE TRAILS? IS IT JUST HIKING TRAILS, PEDESTRIAN TRAILS, UM, PRETTY MUCH, UH, YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A UTOPIAN, UH, TOWN. 
          SO I'LL, I'LL STOP THERE AND WE PROVIDED YOU SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME OF OUR CORE VALUES AND SOME OF THE THINGS YOU WERE THINKING. 
          AND, UM, NOW WE PUT INK ON PAPER. 
          WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? I GOT WAY OUT OF THINKING ABOUT THE NEON ON THE VAPE SHOP, RIGHT. 
          FOOD LIGHT. 
          AND I DON'T LAY THAT. 
          WE'VE LOOKED INTO THAT. 
          THEY'RE NOT FLASHING, THEY'RE NOT IN VIOLATION. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE VIDEO SOMETIMES, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE COMING 
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OVER THE BRIDGE, YOU GET UP THERE AND IT'S LIKE, OH YEAH, YOU'RE UPSET. 
          I DEFINITELY MEAN WHEN YOU SAID THE SMALL TOWN CHARM. 
          I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE EITHER STAY HERE BECAUSE THEY LIKE IT OR THEY COME HERE BECAUSE THEY LIKE IT. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT PART'S A LITTLE BIT HARDER FOR ME TO SAY, BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY PLACE I'VE EVER LIVED. 
          UM, SO COUNSELOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU FEEL LIKE DREW YOU HERE? WHAT, WHAT DID YOU THINK WAS A NON WAS, UH, A NON-NEGOTIABLE FOR YOU WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO RAISE YOUR FAMILY AND THAT'S PUT YOU ON THE SPOT? UM, YOU KNOW, NO, THANKS FOR ASKING. 
          UM, I HAVEN'T HAD IT PUT TO ME THAT WAY. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS REALLY SORT OF JUST A PROVIDENTIAL THING, UM, WHERE WE DIDN'T EXPECT, UM, TO END UP HERE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WAS, WAS JUST THAT WE WERE COMING FROM A VERY CONGESTED, UM, FACING VIRGINIA AND, UM, THIS, UM, HAD A RURAL FEEL, BUT THAT NONE OF THAT WOULD MATTER IF WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE HAD A SOLID COMMUNITY, THREE KIDS. 
          SO OPTIONS FOR EDUCATION WAS ALSO SOMETHING THAT KEPT US HERE JUST ALONG WITH THE SORT OF MAGIC, UH, THE ABILITY TO HOLD THAT REALLY WHERE WE GO WITHOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE, SORT OF FEEDS INTO THAT FEELING, THAT IT'S A SOLID, HEALTHY PLACE TO RAISE A FAMILY. 
          YEAH. 
          ASK WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE ABOUT THE TOWN. 
          I'M NOT TRYING TO GO ON THE NEGATIVE, BUT THAT'S WHERE THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD THINGS ABOUT WHAT WOULD YOU, IF YOU COULD CHANGE THINGS, WHAT WOULD YOU CHANGE? UM, WELL I THINK THAT, I THINK THERE IS A KNOW THERE, THERE ARE, I THINK SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN STUCK FOR A LONG TIME. 
          AND SO I THINK WE, WE SOUND COMMON THEMES. 
          SO IT'S UPDATED BUILDINGS IS THE APP AND IT'S, UM, AND WE'VE ALREADY DANCE AROUND A LITTLE BIT OR MENTIONED IT HERE AND THERE JUST THE, UM, SAME, SAME SORTS OF, I DON'T KNOW HOW RED AND YOU ARE TO THE, TO THIS PHENOMENON, BUT REALLY LATELY IN THE PAST YEAR, MAYBE EVEN LESS, THERE'S BEEN LIKE AN EXPLOSION OF TOBACCO SHOPS THERE. 
          BUT THE FUNNY THING IS ABOUT IT, THAT THERE ARE LIKE FOUR OR FIVE OVER A BRAND NEW, UM, AND YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE, THERE WERE EMPTY SHOPS OR PROPERTIES THAT SAT EMPTY FOR A LONG TIME. 
          AND THEN YOU SAW SOMETHING WAS GOING IN THERE AND YOU'RE EXCITED, OH, WHAT'S COMING IN. 
          AND IT'S ANOTHER, IT'S ANOTHER TOBACCO SHOP IN THERE. 
          MY GOSH, HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH CIGARETTES DO PEOPLE NEED? AND SO ON, UM, CBD AND KRATOM AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, SO I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S AT THE HEART OF THAT PHENOMENON, BUT I HEARD A LOT OF FEEDBACK, UH, ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, AND I JUST THINK THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, IF IT'S A QUESTION OF WHAT NEEDS TO CHANGE, BUT WHEN, WHEN I, I W WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY VISITORS TO THE TOWN, AND I THINK THAT AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS EXERCISE, WE REALLY NEED TO BE VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT THINKING WHAT PEOPLE ENCOUNTER WHEN THEY'RE JUST PASSING THROUGH. 
          AND IF THEY'RE COMING OVER THE BRIDGE, WHAT ARE THE FIRST THINGS THAT THEY SEE? AND WHAT IS THE IMPRESSION THAT IT LEAVES ON THERE? AND IF WE, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGE, OR IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN THIRD YEARS, 30 YEARS LATER, UM, HOW DO WE MAKE THAT FIRST IMPRESSION A LASTING ONE? UM, RIGHT NOW, I DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT, THAT WE'RE THERE WITH A LOT OF THIS STUFF, BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ENTERING OVER THE BRIDGE, OR IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMING DOWN, UM, JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE SEEING? IS THERE A WAY TO CAPTURE PEOPLE'S IMAGINATIONS AND SAY, JUST IN THOSE FEW MOMENTS, YOU KNOW, LOOK AROUND BESIDES THE NATURAL BEAUTY AND EVERYTHING ELSE, LIKE HOW HAS THE ARCHITECTURE FEED INTO THE SENSE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WOW, THERE'S REALLY SOMETHING SPECIAL HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT MAY BE AN APPROPRIATE AREA IMPLEMENTING. 
          SURE. 
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SO WHEN YOU SAY WHEN, AND SORRY, I DON'T WANT TO JUST PICK ON YOU, BUT IN TERMS OF ARCHITECTURE, WHAT ARE THE POSITIVES AND WHAT ARE THE NEGATIVES IN TERMS OF, UM, TWO THINGS, NOT JUST THE ARCHITECTURE, BUT THE, UM, I'M GOING TO TALK A LOT ABOUT SENSE OF PLACE AND THE WAY THAT YOU FEEL ON THE STREET, THE RELATIONSHIP OF BUILDINGS TO THE STREET. 
          UM, IF YOU CAN PICTURE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN FRONT OF THE SPEEDWAY, UM, YOU, THEIR CARS RUNNING WHIZZING PAST YOU, YOU DON'T WANT A SAFE, CONTINUOUS SIDEWALK. 
          THE BUILDING IS SET FAR FROM THE STREET, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE VERY CLEARLY AS A, AS A HUMAN, NOT IN A SAFE SPACE PHYSICALLY, BECAUSE THERE ARE CARS MOVING FAST. 
          AND THEN IF YOU THINK ABOUT HOW YOU FEEL WHEN YOU'RE IN THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN CENTER, IT'S A VERY, IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT FEELING. 
          UM, AND SO, UM, WELL, SORRY. 
          I WAS PROJECTING MY OWN EXPERIENCE OF YOURSELF, BUT TELL, TELL ME MORE, WHY DON'T YOU TELL ME ABOUT THE, WHAT ARE YOUR FAVORITE OR ARE YOU ALSO, THIS IS MORE OF HOW, HOW DO YOU SEE FROM IN THE FUTURE OR, YEAH, WELL, SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, BASICALLY, WE'LL TALK ABOUT NOW, WHAT'S GOOD AND BAD NOW AND WHAT WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE. 
          IDEALLY WE WANT MORE OF THE GOOD AND LESS OF THE BAD IN THIS CASE. 
          YEAH. 
          GOOD, GOOD. 
          I GUESS WE HAVE EVERYTHING HERE YOU GOT, YOU KNOW, UM, MAJOR ROADWAYS THAT COMES THROUGH OUR, TO ME WAS THAT WE GOT RIVERS STREAMS. WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IS BUSINESS. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE A DISLIKE OF MINE. 
          I MEAN, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND DON'T GET ME CRAZY. 
          DON'T I MEAN, DON'T, DON'T MARK ME DOWN AS ONE OF THESE PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO SEE AN EXPLOSION OF ROOFS. 
          THAT'S NOT ME. 
          I LOVE FRONT ROW THE WAY IT IS. 
          UM, I DO NOT PERSONALLY WANT A WHOLE LOT OF GROUP, UM, BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT THE URBAN SPRAWL THAT WE'RE SEEING IN OTHER LOCALITIES. 
          UM, SO THAT BEING SAID, UM, HERE IN OUR TOWN, WE NEED A LOT OF WORKFORCE HOUSING BECAUSE I ULTIMATELY BELIEVE WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE BEFORE BUSINESS LOSES GORDON WANT TO COME HERE, PERIOD. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS. 
          UM, DOWNTOWN. 
          I LOVE DOWNTOWN. 
          UM, I GO DOWN THERE TALK TO THREE TIMES A WEEK SOMETIMES. 
          UM, I LOVE GOING OUT AND LISTENING TO MUSIC AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK THAT GIVES A CHARM. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FROM ROYAL OUR DOWNTOWN AREA, NOT REALLY SO MUCH OF A LOUD THE STREET. 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CLOSING IT OFF AND, AND THIS SORT OF THING, BUT I THINK MORE OF A, AND THIS IS GOING TO SOUND CRAZY TO SOME PEOPLE, BUT I THINK MORE OF A MIDDLEBURG FEEL GOING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S, IT'S VERY NICE. 
          UM, THEY, MIDDLEBURG HAS DONE A FABULOUS JOB WITH THAT AND THE WAY THAT THEIR HISTORIC DISTRICT PRESENTS THE STRONG, IS THERE A HISTORIC PRESERVATION? YES, VERY STRONG. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY DO NOT PERMIT IT'S THE CONVERSION OF THESE HOMES INTO MULTIFAMILY OR, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ASKED, WE NEED, WE, WE, WE NEEDED VERSUS STORES. 
          WE, UM, WE DEFINITELY NEED MORE OPTIONS FOR OUR RESIDENTS. 
          WE CURRENTLY HAVE LIKE ONE GROCERY STORE THAT'S IN TOWN, RIGHT. 
          AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS LIKE AN ALDI OR A WALMART, WHICH IS OVER THE CORRIDOR. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO PIGGY BACK ON TOO, WAS THAT WE NEED MORE RETAIL, INCLUDING THE REPAIR STORE. 
          AND EVERYBODY COMPLAINED ABOUT THE NEW STARBUCKS. 
          BUT PART OF WHAT I LEARNED AT VML WAS RETAIL ATTRACT RETAIL. 
          JUST, THAT'S WHY USUALLY AUDI FOLLOWS WALMART LOWE'S WILL FOLLOW WALMART, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UM, I'M, I WANT TO WORK WITH STEVEN AND A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE TO TRY TO RECRUIT ACTIVELY RECRUIT, LIKE OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM NEEDS TO BE UP AND READY TO GO AND GO OUT AND ACTIVELY RECRUIT RETAIL, RETAIL, JOBS, RETAIL, ALL THOSE THINGS. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO WORK HARD ON IMPROVING OUR ACCESS. 
          UM, AT SOME POINT, TELL ME MORE ABOUT THE ACCESS, UM, COMING INTO TOWN. 
          UM, I THINK WE COULD DO A LOT ON 1 55 COMING UP, 
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JOHN MARSHALL, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, I THINK WE COULD, WE COULD MAKE THAT AREA JUST WHEN SOMEBODY DRIVES UP THROUGH THERE, JUST SAY, WOW, HE ENDED UP SECOND TO THAT. 
          UH, THINKING ABOUT FIRST IMPRESSIONS AND LASTING IMPRESSIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO THAT'S AN AREA WHERE WE CAN REALLY EXPAND THAT ENTRANCE BECAUSE IT'S NOT CONSIDERED ENTRANCE CORRIDOR. 
          WE'RE NOW RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. 
          YEAH. 
          I HAVE NOTHING WRONG WITH BIG SHOTS IN THE EYE. 
          I WANT THEM TO SUCCEED TO, OKAY. 
          THERE'S A PLACE FOR THEM. 
          UM, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, A WORD THAT, WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, I HAD NOTHING AGAINST THE VAPE SHOP. 
          THEY SUCCEED IN EVERY WAY. 
          UM, A LOT OF TIMES COMING IN ON THE MAJOR ORDERS AND THAT'S THE WORD OSTENTATIOUS, BUT THAT BEACH, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT. 
          I THINK WE HAVE WAY TOO MANY COMING DOWN NORTH ROLL AVENUE ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH SOUTH ROW. 
          AND ALL YOU SEE IS CONVENIENCE STORES AND GAS STATIONS, REAL EXCITED ABOUT THE RING OF THE TRADE. 
          I THINK THAT, I THINK OF THAT. 
          ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH WAYS TALKING ABOUT THAT? YEAH. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY MORE FLUID. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'LL BE, THAT'LL BE THE ONE THAT IN NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          INTO OUR EXISTING BIKE TRAIL NETWORK AND MAKE AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE SHE KNEW ABOUT THAT KIND OF, KIND OF WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S STILL OKAY. 
          UM, I JUST, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TASHA SAID ABOUT RETAIL WHILE I WAS CAMPAIGNING LAST YEAR, I REMEMBER A COUPLE OF DIFF THE FIRST LADY THAT SAID TO ME AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS KNOCKING ON DOORS AND I WAS SAYING, WHAT DO YOU THINK? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU SEE FROM FRONT ROYAL? AND SHE SAID, WELL, WOMEN DON'T HAVE ANY WORRIED ABOUT CLOTHES. 
          AND I THINK, AND I WAS LIKE, WHICH WE DO, WE HAVE A CATO'S. 
          BUT, BUT WHEN SHE SAID THAT, I THOUGHT, THINK ABOUT, I KNOW I'M SAYING THOUGH, WHEN I THINK ABOUT, EVEN WHEN WE, WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAD PEOPLE. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, THERE WAS PEOPLES, THERE WAS FRANK, THERE WAS ROYAL, UH, RURAL QUALITY SHOP. 
          UM, AND I MEAN, THERE WERE DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT REALLY, AND TRULY, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT OTHER THAN TARGET OR CATO'S, THERE IS NOT A PLACE. 
          AND I EVEN KNOW WHEN AND THE SAME THING FOR MEN, I SAY WOMEN, BUT THERE'S REALLY NO PLACE FOR MANY THERE. 
          I MEAN, LIKE REAL  WAS PLAYING THE HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS. 
          AND THEN THEY SAID, EVERY GAME, EVERY HOME GAME, YOU HAVE TO WEAR A SHIRT AND TIE. 
          AND IT WAS LIKE, IF PEOPLES HADN'T HAD THAT, WE, WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO LEAVE THAT. 
          THAT'S MY ONLY THING I WISHED THERE WERE SOME, EVEN IF WE JUST COULD GET A FEW THINGS HERE, SO PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE TO LEAVE HERE OR ORDER ONLINE OR TO YEAH. 
          I MEAN THAT WE CAN'T REALLY STOP, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT STILL HAD TO GO IN AND TRY SOME EXACTLY. 
          BUT WE HAVE NOWHERE TO GO EXCEPT FOR WALMART  YEAH. 
          SO WHEN YOU SAY RETAIL AND THAT'S IMPORTANT, I THINK YOU ALL HAD LIKE BOUTIQUE HOTELS OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING TOO THAT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHEN, WHEN EVERYBODY WAS TALKING, ONE THING I JUST WANTED TO SAY, LIKE, WE, WE SOMETIMES SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO IMPROVE FOR LIKE TOURISM OR, OR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, WHICH I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT OBVIOUSLY. 
          BUT I ALSO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ALSO NEED TO FOCUS ON NOT JUST THE PEOPLE THAT COME TO VISIT, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE EVERY DAY, HOW CAN WE MAKE, HOW CAN WE MAKE THEM THEIR LIVES? UM, YOU KNOW, SO YOU'RE NOT SPENDING 40 MINUTES DRIVING TO WINCHESTER OR AN HOUR TO DRIVE TO THE CITY FOR SOMETHING YOU WANT OR JOBS OR, OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. 
          I MEAN, CERTAINLY WHEN PEOPLE COME TO VISIT, THAT'S A GOOD THING. 
          A LOT OF PEOPLE NOT SCOTT SAID NINE CONGESTED, WHICH I THINK I WOULD DESCRIBE THAT HERE TOO. 
          BUT DURING CERTAIN TIMES OF OUR YEAR, IT'S A LITTLE MORE CONGESTED AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WE HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT. 
          UM, BUT WE MAY, OKAY. 
          AND SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT I WALKED, BUT ONE THING WHEN 
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I THINK ABOUT QUAINT AND, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, RURAL THEO OR WHATEVER IS LIKE WHERE PEOPLE ARE OUT AND ABOUT ONE THEIR STREETS, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY DOWNTOWN, BUT WALKING, YOU KNOW, WALKING EVEN IN THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOODS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, JUST A COMMUNITY FEEL. 
          UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CERTAIN PLACES THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE EASILY ACCOMPLISHED THAN OTHERS. 
          SO, AND JUST ABOUT, ABOUT CONGESTION THAT THE LAND USE PLAN IS ABOUT LAND USE. 
          AND I'LL OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT, BUT TO UNDERSTAND THE CONNECTION BETWEEN LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION, TO ANALYZE THE LAND, USE THE SIZE, THE NUMBER OF TRIPS AND SEE THE EFFECT THAT THAT'S MAKING ON CONGESTION. 
          I'M JUST, ANYWAY, I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO THINK OF US, LIKE JUST TALKING ABOUT MAGIC TRICKS, BUT IT'S REALLY THE CONNECTION BETWEEN LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION. 
          THEN WE CAN ADDRESS CONGESTION. 
          WELL, THAT'S GREAT. 
          THAT'S WHY WE HIRED. 
          SHE GOES WAY UP. 
          I'VE FOUND THAT PEOPLE START HAVE STARTED USING MY STREET DURING LEAF PEEPER SEASON BYPASS COMMERCE. 
          YOU CAN JUST COME DOWN MAIN STREET AND GO UP BLUE RIDGE WEIGHS OUT, TAKES YOU THAT WAY. 
          YOU GET AROUND SOME OF THE TRAFFIC. 
          SO WE HAVE THESE APPS THAT ARE NOW INCREASING TRAFFIC AND RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING. 
          SO A LOT OF THESE STREETS DOWN HERE ARE ONE WAY THEY'RE DRIVING THE WRONG WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ONE OTHER THING TOO, IS, UM, I WAS JUST GOING TO THROW OUT THERE FOR QUALITY RESTAURANTS. 
          AND I'M NOT SAYING WHAT WE HAVE IS NOT. 
          I'M JUST SAYING, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOME VARIETY. 
          THAT'S PART OF BRINGING IN THE RETAIL AS A PART OF WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IN REGARDS TO RETAIL, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT KIND OF WEEK WE WANT TO ATTRACT TO, BECAUSE HOW WE WRITE THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IS GOING TO AFFECT A WEEK. 
          AND DO YOU KNOW IF WE KEPT SQUARE FOOTAGE ON BUILDING, THEN YOU'RE CUTTING OUT BIG BOX STORES. 
          IF YOU'RE IN THAT'S ONE WAY TO ENCOURAGE, YOU KNOW, SMALL, LOCAL BUSINESS, IT'S JUST GOING TO DEPEND ON HOW YOU WANT TO WORK. 
          AND I WOULDN'T SAY CHECK THE LEG, BUT THAT'S JUST THE RIGHT PLACE OR BOY, IF I I'M KIDDING, BUT I'M KINDA NOT GETTING, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY PEOPLE I TALK ABOUT. 
          WHY CAN'T WE GET A CHICKEN FOR LIFE? I HEAR THIS. 
          EVERY PLANNING I NEED TO GET STOCK STOCKING CHICK-FILET YES, THAT'S TRUE. 
          THEY DID. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          YEAH, THEY, THE PLACE, THE ONE GESTURE WE BRING AT LEAST ONE DAY A WEEK, THEY WOULD COME HERE WITH THREE TRACKING. 
          THE MARKET PEOPLE WERE PUTTING OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, THEY'RE COMING TOMORROW. 
          YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN'T GET READY FOR IT. 
          SO BE JUST TO PIGGYBACK OFF OR SAID, UM, I'M OPEN TO, UM, RETROFITTING SOME OF THE ZONE, TWO THINGS, A LITTLE MORE OF WATERBORNE ACCESSIBLE. 
          THE ASSUMPTION SEEMS TO BE THAT IT'S NOBODY'S FAULT REALLY, THAT IT'S OKAY TO EXPECT TO HOP IN THE CAR AND DRIVE 20 MINUTES EACH WAY TO GRAB SOMETHING THAT LIKE ONE OF THE BASIC NECESSITIES, IF WE CAN MINIMIZE THAT OR AT LEAST BE A LITTLE INTENTIONAL AND FIND WAYS TO, UM, JUST INCORPORATE THAT. 
          I THINK SOMETHING IS, UM, SIMPLE AS INCORPORATING THE POSSIBILITY OF CONVENIENCE STORES AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE IN A JAM, YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO GO OUT TO THE CORRIDOR OR UP TO WINCHESTER FOR THIS THAT JUST GOT THE LITTLE THING I THINK I KNOW I'VE SAID THIS TO COUNCIL. 
          UH, I WOULD LIKE HERE IN TROUBLE AND, AND FOR OUR, ONE OF OUR CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO PARTAKE ANYWHERE THEY WANT, UM, PUBLIC TRANSIT CAN GET TO ANYWHERE THEY NEED TO GO. 
          I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE EVEN, THAT'S GOING TO HELP IN THE CRITICAL AREA OF, OF BEING ABLE TO ATTRACT. 
          SO A YEAR OR TWO AGO, WE TALKED ABOUT UPDATING SOUTH STREET TO MAKE IT SAFER, UM, UPDATING THE LIGHTS, UPDATING LIKE THE MEDIA AND MAYBE CHANGING THE DIRECTIONS AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          SORRY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS INCORPORATED OR THOUGHT, OKAY, WELL, NO, LIKE I WAS SAYING BEFORE, I MEAN, WHEN YOU COME INTO TOWN, EITHER IT'S 55 ARE COMING IN FROM, UH, 
          [00:50:01]
ABOUT 22. 
          I MEAN, FIRST THING YOU SEE IS BASICALLY CONVENIENCE STORES, GAS STATIONS. 
          AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, UM, WHAT LAURA WAS TALKING ABOUT. 
          LIKE SOME QUALITY RESTAURANTS WHEN YOU COME INTO TOWN OR SOME RETAIL, UM, UH, BECAUSE WHEN YOU COME INTO TOWN, I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S, IF YOU'RE JUST PASSING RIGHT THROUGH, THAT'S ALL YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS GIVING THE STORES AND GAS STATIONS, UNLESS YOU COME DOWNTOWN AND, AND, UH, MAIN STREET GARY'S ALL ABOUT. 
          UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAIN STREET BASICALLY AS A WALKING MALL, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE DONE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND I THINK, I THINK WE'LL DO REALLY WELL. 
          I THINK WOULD ATTRACT HOPEFULLY MORE BUSINESSES RESTAURANTS, UM, RECALLS, EVERYBODY LOVES. 
          I WOULD LIKE, YEAH, I'D LOVE TO, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE RETAIL COME DOWNTOWN. 
          I LIKE TO SEE RETAIL OUT, YOU KNOW, UM, MAIN QUARTERS COMING INTO TOWN. 
          UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE, UH, A RETAIL SHOP IN 55 OR PLACES LIKE THAT. 
          UM, CAUSE YOU COME IN TOWN, DO YOU WANT TO SHOP? JUST YOU'LL HAVE TO GO DOWNTOWN, BUT SHOP AT OTHER AREAS OF TOWN, YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT DO YOU WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE? DO YOU WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE WHEN YOU GO INTO RIVERTON COMMENTS WHERE YOU SEE THE PARKING LOTS FIRST, OR DO YOU WANT THE RETAIL? I THINK IT WAS STRANGE, CLOSER TO THE STREET. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THROUGH THE PARKING BEHIND IT AND KIND OF HIDE IT. 
          SO YOU SEE BUILD, LIKE WE LOOK AT BEAUTIFUL ARCHITECTURE INSTEAD OF PARKING A PARKING AREA. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          AND THERE WENT THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, PARKING  PARKING GARAGE, DOWNTOWN SOMEWHERE WE NEED PARKING BAD. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BUILDING UP OUR DOWNTOWN, EVERYBODY'S SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING MORE THINGS, SOME MORE EVENTS THAT THAT REALLY CAN BE THE DRAWBACK IS TRYING TO FIND A PLACE TO PARK. 
          I MEAN, NOW I THINK ON SATURDAYS OR BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, UM, PEOPLE WOULD PARK IN, UM, VALLEY HILLS PLACE THERE ALONG THE BYPASS WHEN THEY WANTED TO EXPAND OVER OFF OF MAIN STREET, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? IF THERE WAS A PARADE OR A FESTIVAL OR WHATEVER YOU PARK AS FAR AWAY AS THERE, BUT LIKE THAT DOESN'T HELP WHEN THAT PARKING LOT IS FULL DURING THE WEEK AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO ANYWAY, PARKING'S AN ISSUE. 
          THERE'S PLACES IN TOWN. 
          SO A LOT OF SHOPPING CENTERS WE HAVE, IF WE HAVE MORE PUBLIC TRANSIT, LIKE IN THE TROLLEY, LOOPED AROUND TRADITIONAL PLACES AND BROUGHT PEOPLE DOWNTOWN, YOU COULD HAVE PARKING OFF SITE DOWNTOWN AND BRING THEM HERE. 
          WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE FACILITIES. 
          I AGREE. 
          IT TOTALLY DOES STOP HERE AND STOPS AT THE SHOPPING CENTER. 
          SO TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, THEY CAN GET FROM A SHOPPING CENTER TO MEET. 
          BUT IF WE LIKE, SO FOR HAVING A VERY LARGE EVENT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE RUN IT MORE OFTEN. 
          YOU HAVE A SMALLER LOOP THAT WAS OF KINDA LIKE WE DIDN'T THE, ON ME, WAGONS FOR DRAGONS. 
          THEY PARKED US AT WALMART AND THEN BUSTED US OVER TO THE GOLF COURSE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU LEFT YOUR STUFF THERE. 
          UM, ONE FAVORITE, BUT NOT QUITE RANDOM, BUT IT'S JUST, UM, IT DOESN'T REALLY PIECE INTO ANY OF THE, UM, IMMEDIATE DISCUSSIONS, BUT AS YOU'RE COMING INTO TOWN OVER THE BRIDGES, UM, NORTH ROYAL, IF HE HAD TAKEN A LEFT, YOU HEAD STRAIGHT AND IT'S, UM, BY DEFAULT BECAUSE OF THE NEARNESS TO THE HOSPITAL, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, MEDICAL TYPE STUFF UP AND DOWN THAT I'VE ALSO THOUGHT, UM, I'VE HAD THE THOUGHT THAT COULD BE LIKE, UH, A SECOND PLACE FOR HOSPITALITY AND MAYBE SOME RETAIL, UM, AS WELL, LIKE DRAW PEOPLE SORT OF THAT WAY PARK WALK AROUND, HAVE SOME, THERE IT'S A, IT'S A LOW TRAFFIC AREA. 
          OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE PUTTING WHERE ATTRACTIONS THERE IT'S GETTING THAT WOULD CHANGE, BUT MAYBE NOT SO MUCH THAT IT WOULD BECOME, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT COULD BE A VERY COMFORTABLE PLACE TO MILL AROUND, GET YOUR BUSINESS DONE. 
          UM, I TELL YOU, I HAVE IN THE LAST THREE WEEKS AT FOUR, UM, MEETINGS WITH PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO DO REZONINGS BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO DO COMMERCIAL THERE ALONG SHENANDOAH AVENUE INSTEAD OF IT. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S OUR THREE INCLINATIONS ALREADY THERE. 
          DOES IT COME ALL THE WAY UP TO THE INTERSECTION THERE? OR THE, WAS IT BLUE RIDGE MOTELS? I THINK IT COMES RIGHT UP TO IT. 
          WHAT'S THAT, UH, UH, DIALYSIS CENTER RIGHT TO THAT. 
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UM, WE GOT, UH, WE GOT INDUSTRIAL AREAS OUT OF TOWN AND REALLY NO GOOD WAY FOR TRUCKS AND THAT SORT OF THING TO BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THEM. 
          I MEAN THEIR PROPERTY OUT THERE ON THE, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE, UM, GOOD WAY THEN OUT AT THE CREEK AND DR. 
          GAIL CLARK SPARES REALLY, I MEAN, IT CAN COME DOWN 55, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, AND HIT LEACHES RUN, BUT STILL THAT'S, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE INDUSTRIAL AREAS THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE WE HAVE THEM IN A FLOODWAY, ANYTHING ALONG HAPPY CREEK IS FLOODWAY. 
          SO THERE AREN'T A LOT OF OPTIONS FOR WHAT WE CAN DO HERE, BUT WE NEED TO THINK IS INDUSTRIAL IN A FLOODWAY THE MOST APPROPRIATE LOCATION, OR SHOULD WE CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, 20, 30 YEARS FROM NOW IS HIS BUSINESSES SHUT DOWN. 
          SO WE PLAY BE CONSIDER CONNECTING THAT INTO OUR TRAIL SYSTEM. 
          THE OTHER BIG THOUGHTS THAT I'VE BEEN SHARING. 
          SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE THING THAT I WAS MENTIONING A FEW WEEKS AGO ABOUT SPECIFIC THOUGHTS, SISTER CITIES AND EVERYTHING. 
          I'VE HAD THE CHANCE TO SHARE WITH A COUPLE OF THINGS, BUT A COUPLE, UM, PERSONNEL ON THE COUNCIL, BUT HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN TO EVERYBODY ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS. 
          BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I THINK IT JUST COMES FROM THE EXPERIENCES I HAD, UH, LIVING ABROAD IN COLLEGE IS THAT AT LEAST IN THE PLACES WHERE I STAYED, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY GREW FROM THE RIVER OUT AND SOMEHOW FOR WHATEVER REASON, AND SOME OF IT IS GEOGRAPHIC, YOU CAN SEE PRETTY CLEARLY IN SOME PLACES WE'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT MAIN STREET AND THE LIFE OF THE TOWN IS LIKE THE RIVER AS A BIT OF AN AFTERTHOUGHT. 
          THERE ARE NO OTHER PLACES. 
          IT'S THE HEART OF THE LOCALITY. 
          I'M NOT LOOKING TO REPLACE MAIN STREET. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THAT, UH, THE, THE RIVER CAN ALSO BE MUCH MORE OF A RALLYING POINT, A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO GO SPEND TIME BEING YOUR RUNNING WATER, WHICH I THINK IS LIKE A DEEP HUMAN NEED. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME PLACES WHERE, UH, PEOPLE CAN STROLL SPEND, UH, A NICE NIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH FAMILY AND WHATEVER ELSE, BUT ALSO THE TOUR IT'S WHERE A SEE IT. 
          AND THEY SAY, WOW, THERE'S SOMETHING THERE THAT I REALLY WANT TO CHECK OUT. 
          THE NEXT TIME I WENT DRIVING THROUGH ON THE WAY TO SKYLINE. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T QUITE HAVE THAT REALLY AT ALL. 
          SO I'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN FINDING A SMART WAY OF EXPLORING THAT, TALKING ABOUT A PARTICULAR PLACE IN TOWN. 
          WE WERE, I WAS JUST HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WITH SOME FAMILY THE OTHER NIGHT ABOUT HE TREATS BUILDING AND JUST WHAT WAS GOING TO GO ON THERE AND STUFF. 
          AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FACT OF WHY THAT WAS THE PLACE AS A KID, IF YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY FOR US, BUT BECAUSE EVERYBODY CAME OFF OF 55 AND THEN MADE A LEFT TO GO TO SKYLINE DRIVE SCARED OF ME. 
          IT'S KINDA LIKE CAVERNS COUNTY GRAFT DRIVE. 
          SO EV YOU GOT THERE AND HITTING THE LEFT. 
          SO ALL THAT ALONG THERE WAS LIKE, BUILD IS LIKE, UH, GET YOUR SOUP IN HERE, YOU KNOW? AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT YEAH. 
          BUT ON THIS SIDE WAS ALL OF THAT, RIGHT. 
          WITH, UM, SKYLINE TERRACE, RESTAURANT AND EVERYTHING ON THIS SIDE. 
          I MEAN, LITERALLY WE MADE, WELL, LIKE, UM, NO, IT WAS, UH, THERE WAS A CHICKEN PLACE AND THERE WAS, YEAH, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THOUGH, YEAH. 
          CHICKENS DESTROYED TRUST THERE. 
          BUT WHEN YOU WENT TO, WHEN YOU WENT TO, UH, SOUTH STREET, YOU MAY LEFT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS BOTH SIDES OF THAT. 
          WHAT WERE PLACES THAT PEOPLE COULD STOP AND GO AND DO THINGS THAT'S REALLY NOT THE CASE ANYMORE. 
          I MEAN, THERE IS A SEVEN 11 AND THERE'S GOING TO BE THE HOTEL MOTEL THAT I'M NOT, I DON'T THINK, I THINK THAT'S MORE OF A PEOPLE STAY THERE WEEKLY. 
          AND THEN RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, WHICH WAS, UM, IT WAS CALLED SKYLINE TERRACE. 
          AND THEN IT WAS, YOU KNOW, JOE SIG,  BEYOND THAT. 
          AND NOW THERE'S GOING TO BE A, WHY NOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I'M TOLD. 
          YEAH. 
          WHY NOT? SO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THOUGH, THAT ALONG THERE WAS ACTUALLY THAT PARTICULAR PLACE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A DESTINATION FOR PEOPLE COMING INTO TOWN. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S HOW IT WAS, PEOPLE WERE COMING OFF THE DRIVE OR GOING TO THE DRIVE AND THEY PASS UP ON THIS SIDE OR THIS SIDE. 
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AND, UH, AND, AND IT, IT, THERE WAS, THERE'S A LOT OF ACCESS TO IT. 
          THERE THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS IT'S A SHAME THAT WE DIDN'T CAPITALIZE ON RESTAURANTS OR RETAIL OR WHATEVER IN THAT SPOT. 
          CAUSE IT WAS ALREADY, YOU KNOW, YEAH, YEAH. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS THE PLACE. 
          I MEAN, BACK THEN, BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAD PEOPLE COMING FROM LURAY AREA, TAKING THE DRIVE, COMING AND GETTING OFF IN FRONT ROYAL AND VICE VERSA GOING THE OTHER WAY. 
          AND PEOPLE WOULD STOP RIGHT THERE AT, UH, SIMON PETRIS. 
          AND IT WAS JUST LIKE A BIG SOUVENIR PLACE IN THEIR HEAD, ALL KINDS OF STUFF IN IT. 
          YOU KNOW, LET ME KIND OF HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE STUFF, MAYBE ADD TO THE SUGGESTIONS, NO OTHER NOTES, A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE PART OF THE OVERALL PLANNING IS TO LOOK AT WAYS WHERE WE CAN BECOME MORE OF A WALKABLE COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO BE ABLE TO GO TO CERTAIN TYPE OF KEY AREAS. 
          AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO LOOK AT THE TRAVEL SHED WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING AND GOING AND TRY TO PROVIDE, UM, SOME PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IN CRITICAL AREAS. 
          SO THEY CAN BE MORE INDEPENDENT AND NOT RELY ON THE VEHICLES. 
          THE OTHER THING IS TRANSPORTATION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN  CONCERN IS WHILE WE DEVELOP AND TYPE OF DENSITY OR WHATEVER THEY WANT, I THINK ANNE WAS GOING TO TOUCH ON IT QUICK. 
          WE GOTTA BE CAREFUL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE DOES NOT OUTPACE, UM, OR IT DOES NOT PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR WHAT THE GROWTH POTENTIALLY, MAYBE BE HAPPENING. 
          AND RIGHT NOW WITH CERTAIN CORRIDORS THAT ARE ALREADY CONGESTED AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME THAT THERE WILL BE MORE CONGESTION. 
          SO TRANSPORTATION IS GOING TO BE A MAJOR KEY IN THIS FACTOR, AS WELL AS HOW THAT RELATES TO ZONING. 
          SO THAT WAS DISCUSSED, UH, WITH THAT THOUGH, YOU KNOW, TIMES ARE CHANGING WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND STUFF. 
          INSTEAD OF HAVING MAYBE A LOT OF GAS STATIONS, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE SOME ELECTRICAL VEHICLE CHARGERS AND, AND TRIED TO LOOK AT WAYS ON HOW THE ENERGY SERVICES AREA AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO RELATE TO THE GROWTH AND HOW WE ACCOMMODATE IT, THE VISION OF DOWNTOWN, ALL THAT MEANS. 
          UM, SO I HEARD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT KIND OF NOT NECESSARY. 
          WE STILL WANT TO KEEP THE WAY IT IS, BUT THE WAY YOU ALL SHARED IT IS ESSENTIALLY, I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD NEW TOWN, BUT A TOWN THAT THERE'S A, ANOTHER AREA WHERE IT'S A SPOT WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO AND HAVE DIFFERENT TYPE OF, OF, OF RETAIL AND SERVICES. 
          YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THE EXPERIENCE OF LIKE A HYBRID KIND OF OUTDOOR INDOOR MALL TYPE OF SETTING WHERE IT'S KIND OF UNIQUE AS DIFFERENT, AND IT ADDS A DIFFERENT FLAVOR WHERE PEOPLE CAN BE PART OF. 
          UH, AND SO THE OTHER THING IS WHEN WE GO THROUGH IT IS, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT THAT TRADITIONAL GRID LOOK WHERE WE HAVE WIDE STREETS OR ROAD DIET, YOU KNOW, TRY TO LOOK AT CERTAIN AREAS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE SUCH A WIDE ROADWAY THAT KIND OF MAKES IT FEEL LIKE IT LIMITS OUR ABILITY TO BE A WALKABLE COMMUNITY AND STUFF. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER THING I THINK LAUREN MENTIONED THAT IS THERE SOME EXISTING ZONING THAT WA MAY HAVE BEEN APPROPRIATE BACK IN THE DAYS WHEN IT COMES TO CERTAIN TOP IN INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL, HOW DO WE DEFINE, WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT DO WE REALLY WANT AND WHAT TYPE OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT DO WE WANT TO DO? WE WANT TO LOOK AT THOSE AREAS CAREFULLY AND POTENTIALLY, UH, I WOULDN'T CALL IT RESILIENCE, BUT RECLASSIFY THE USE OF LAND. 
          AND THAT WILL BE SOMETHING, IF YOU CAN THINK OF AREAS THAT YOU KNOW OF, THAT'S MORE INDUSTRIAL AREA THAT JUST DOESN'T HAVE THAT SENSE OR THAT FIELD, THAT IT SHOULD BE IN THAT AREA. 
          THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FEEDBACK. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE OTHER AREAS. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DOWNTOWN AND HOW IT LOOKS, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS ON WHAT WE SHOULD DO ABOUT DOWNTOWN, BUT I DO THINK THAT IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT DOWNTOWN BEING A MALL, WE WOULD LOOK AT TOP OF BUSINESSES AND THEN HOW WE GO. 
          AND I KNOW WE DISCUSSED ABOUT THAT'S, HOW SOME OF OUR ZONING AND HOW WE CAN APPLY TO THAT. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR COUNCIL TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT DOWNTOWN REALLY WHAT TYPE OF DIVERSE TYPES OF RETAIL AND BUSINESSES YOU WANT DOWNTOWN AND WHAT WOULD THAT BE IF YOU WERE TO DO A RENDERING AND STUFF? SO THAT'S WHERE WE ALL THAT. 
          AND WE'D ALSO BEEN GETTING PUBLIC INPUT, I MEAN, ON, ON THESE, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          THEY DID LIKE A STUDY AND SOME PEOPLE WERE TOTALLY ANTI THAT BECAUSE THEY JUST DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE THE ABILITY TO DRIVE DOWN MAIN STREET. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BECAUSE IT WAS, IT'S KIND OF A CUT THROUGH THERE, BUT, BUT WE'D BE GETTING 
          [01:05:01]
LOTS OF INPUT ON THAT. 
          ONE THING WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, IT'S NOT THE TOWN DOESN'T HAVE REALLY AUTHORITY OR CONTROL OVER IT, BUT LIKE PARKS, LIKE IN THE TOWN ITSELF. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE A PARK OVER ON CRASS OR WE HAVE A PARK, YOU KNOW, BING CROSBY STADIUM. 
          I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, WE DIDN'T TALK THEN THE DOG PARK AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE ACTUALLY THE COUNTY CONTROLS THE PART YES. 
          PARKS AND THE SCHOOLS. 
          SO YEAH. 
          ALL OF THEM. 
          SO THEY'RE LOCATED IN TOWN, BUT THEY ARE LOCATED IN THE, YEAH. 
          SO I MEAN, THERE ARE LIKE ROCKLAND PARK. 
          THERE ARE SOME THAT AREN'T IN THE TOWN, BUT I'M JUST SAYING TO YOU, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOW WE WANT, HOW WE WANT THE TOWN TO BE, YOU KNOW, SAFE AND, AND PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, GET PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOUSES AND BE ABLE TO DO THINGS. 
          WE DO HAVE PARKS, WE DIDN'T DISCUSS IT BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE CONTROL OVER IT, BUT THEY DO EXIST. 
          I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE THE WALKING PATH, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE WE DO, BUT, BUT IT ACTUALLY CONNECTS TO THE COUNTIES IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. 
          SURE. 
          BUT IT ALSO JUST FOR THE RECORD, I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED AND I DON'T WANT TO OVERWHELM YOU OR MAKE OR MAKE, WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT ALL AT ONCE. 
          THIS IS THE KICKOFF. 
          AND I JUST, I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT THIS IS A PROCESS AND, AND, AND AGAIN, THE BENCHMARKS WOULD BE INVOLVED, BUT WE'RE ALWAYS AVAILABLE. 
          THIS IS OVER THE NEXT NINE MONTHS TO A YEAR AND THEN LONGER FOR THE ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          SO, UM, IT DOESN'T ALL HAVE TO COME OUT AT ONCE. 
          WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA GET ALL OF THE INFORMATION. 
          AND AS YOU HAVE IDEAS, EMAIL TO EMAIL LAUREN, AND SHE WILL, SHE'LL COMPILE, WE'LL ALSO BE HERE, UM, TO PRESENT TO YOU AND DISCUSS MANY TIMES OVER. 
          IT WAS GOOD THOUGH. 
          ACTUALLY, I JUST WANT TO SAY IT WAS GOOD BECAUSE LIKE WE FED OFF OF EACH OTHER AND THERE WERE THINGS THAT PEOPLE SAID THAT MADE ME THINK, OH, I WASN'T THINKING ABOUT THAT. 
          AND YOU KNOW, AND SO MAYBE THE PUBLIC WILL WATCH THIS VIDEO AND CONTACT US AND SAY THINGS TO THIS WILL BE WHAT WE DO IS A PUBLIC MEETING. 
          SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO COME AND WE'LL PROVIDE THEM WITH TOPICS. 
          THEY PROVIDE INPUT. 
          AND THEN THAT'S WHAT WE COMPILE AND THAT'S HOW WE MAKE THE PLAN. 
          SO THAT'S ALL THE INFORMATION GATHERING THAT WE'RE DOING OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. 
          AND THAT WILL ALL BE SORTED OUT THE GREAT DOCUMENT. 
          WE JUST GOT TO GET PEOPLE THERE. 
          YES. 
          AND THAT ACTUALLY IS A GOOD SEGUE TO, UM, NOT THAT IT HAS TO BE YOUR JOB, BUT EVERYBODY THAT'S INVOLVED. 
          IF YOU TALK ABOUT THE PLAN, GET PEOPLE INVOLVED, TELL YOUR CONSTITUENTS WHEN YOU SPEAK TO THEM THAT WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM, WHAT THEIR INVOLVEMENT. 
          UM, AND, AND OVER TIME WE'LL W WHEN WE CREATE THE WEBSITE, OBVIOUSLY YOU'LL BE THE FIRST TO KNOW THE URL WOULD SLEEP ALL OF THE WAYS TO BE INVOLVED, BUT JUST THAT'S A GREAT ROLE FOR COUNCIL TO PLAY IS TO, TO BE A LIAISON AND TO BRING CONSTITUENTS INTO THE PROCESS. 
          IT WAS WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING PITFALLS AND WHERE THE PITFALLS IS, IF WE HEAR FROM THE SAME PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND WE DON'T HAVE INPUT FROM PEOPLE THAT WE REALLY NEED TO PLAN FOR, BUT THEY'RE NOT INVOLVED IF THE PLAN DOESN'T SKEW. 
          AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE GOING TO, WE TALKED ABOUT YOU PUTTING THINGS OUT IN OUR ELECTRIC BILL AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT EVERYBODY IS TECH SAVVY COMPUTER. 
          AND SO ALMOST FEEL LIKE I WISH THERE WERE LIKE DOOR HANGERS OR SOMETHING WE COULD LIKE, LIKE, IF WE DON'T, , WE'RE NOT, I WALKED ENOUGH OF THOSE STREETS. 
          I COULD PROBABLY DO IT AGAIN. 
          BUT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, LIKE, IF WE WORKED, IF WE DID FEEL LIKE WE WEREN'T HEARING FROM ENOUGH PEOPLE, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. 
          OR LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE WERE HEARING FROM THE SAME PEOPLE, LIKE JUST TRYING TO PULL WOW. 
          GETTING BARELY. 
          I MEAN, NO, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT ON TRACK. 
          AND SOMETIMES IT JUST TAKES BEING CREATIVE AND IT DEFINITELY TAKES SOME EFFORT TO BRING PEOPLE TO THE TABLE. 
          UM, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE ON BOARD ON THAT EXTREMELY VIDEO IS AVAILABLE. 
          IF GRANT COULD, OR WHOEVER, IF THEY WOULD SEND US A LINK, YOU COULD SEND US THE LINK RIGHT. 
          TO IT. 
          THEN WE COULD START PUTTING IT OUT THERE, LIKE WATCH THIS, LETTING THEM KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE .
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