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COUNCIL WORK SESSION ON A SEPTEMBER 13TH, UH, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY WAIVER.MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS IN YOUR PACKAGE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A REQUEST FROM THE HABITAT AND WARREN COUNTY HABITAT FOR HUMANITY REQUESTING THAT THEY BE REIMBURSED IN THE AMOUNT OF $9,993 FOR A WATER AND SEWER FEES.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDS THIS, WE'VE GOT IT INTO THE PAST FOR OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.
AND THEN COUNCIL IS THE ONLY ONE WHO COULD APPROVE THIS.
THIS IS NOT A TOWN MANAGER OR STAFF COULD APPROVE.
SO THAT COUNCILS DESIRE WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO OR RUN IN THE PAST.
AND IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE PAST, THEY DIDN'T, THEY PUT LIEN PROPERTY SO THAT IF THEY SELL IT, THEY, I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT, SO THEY DON'T JUST DO IT AND SELL IT FOR THEM.
I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
I'M JUST, I JUST, I'M NEW TO THIS.
SO ON THE, HOW MANY, JUST LIKE A NORMAL THING, IS IT A CHARITABLE THING OR WHAT'S THE REAL, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE REASON WHY THEY'RE ASKING IT IS IT'S, IT'S A SHAREABLE THING BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS WITHOUT IT, IT MINIMIZES THEIR ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE HOME PORTABLE.
SO BASICALLY REDUCED THE COST OF THE BILL AND THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE LOUD.
IT REDUCED THE COST OF THE SALE.
SO THEN YOU CAN HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSE.
AND THEN WITH THAT, UM, WITH THE LIEN ON THE PROPERTY, IS THAT GO BACK TO THE HOME BUYER, IS THAT WHERE THE LIEN GOES? WHO'S RESPONSIBLE IS THAT THE HOMEOWNERS ARE TRANSFERRING THE FEES FROM HABITAT OF HUMANITY AND THEIR OVERALL COSTS OVER TO JUMP IN HERE A LITTLE BIT.
SO THE LANE GOES ON THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT WAY, IF, UH, UM, THE HOMEOWNER OR HAPPENS TO MOVE OUT IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, THEN THE TOWN WILL BE REIMBURSED FOR THE PAYMENT OF THOSE TAP FEES.
SO IT'S OVER A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME.
AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IT'S FIVE OR 10 YEARS, BUT IT, UM, IT DIMINISHES OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.
SO EACH YEAR THEY STAY THERE A PORTION OF IT.
THAT'S THE PART I WAS TRYING TO GET TO.
SO IT'S PREVENTING THEM FROM BUYING LOWER PRICED HOUSE AND THEN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, CAUSE I JUST LIKE, IT'S NOT HABITAT FOR HUMANITY.
IT'S FLIPPING THAT PROPERTY WOULD BE THE, AND WE DID JUST DO THIS.
WE'VE DONE IT AT LEAST ONCE SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL.
I THINK IT WAS LAST YEAR IN JANUARY, CORRECT? YEAH.
IS IT ALWAYS BEEN HABITAT FOR HUMANITY OR HAVE WE DONE IT WITH OTHERS? IT'S ALWAYS BEEN HABITAT TOO.
UM, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS NOT TO SAY THAT WE COULDN'T.
ARE THERE OTHER CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS IN MARTIN COUNTY AREA THAT ARE BUILDING HOUSES LIKE THIS? OR IS IT JUST HABITAT AND HABITAT HABITATS? THE ONLY ONE THAT I'M AWARE OF THERE MAY BE OTHERS, BUT HABITAT, I DON'T KNOW.
NOW THAT YOU ASKED, I HAVEN'T SEEN, I ACTUALLY THINK, I MEAN, IT'S NOT WOUNDED WARRIORS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ACCOUNT THE COUNTY, BUT THEY HAVE TO DO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
UH, UPDATE ON ESTABLISHMENT OF BUILDING CODES AND ENVIRONMENTAL DIVISION HEADLINE.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, AND THE, UM, AND THE ITEM YOU CAN HAVE, UH, WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS THE GOAL OF IMPLEMENTING THE CONTROL CONSULTANT ONBOARD AND IMPLEMENTING THE WORK PLAN, UM, STARTING IN JANUARY.
SO WITH THAT, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE CAN GO OVER THE SCHEDULE, UM, JUST, JUST SHARE, UH, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES STAFF IS GOING TO BE WORKING ON, BUT, UH, THE RFP, UH, THAT, THAT HAS BEEN FINALIZED, WE'RE GIVING YOU ALL AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE ARE.
UH, MAINLY FROM THE STANDPOINT, THIS IS ALSO ON THE LIAISON, UH, DISCUSSION COME WEDNESDAY.
AND THE COMMISSION'S ON WEDNESDAY.
WE WANT TO GO OVER A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE WORKING ON THE RFP YET THIS WEEK AND HOPING TO GET THAT OUT AND COMPLETED BY THE END OF THIS WEEK, UM, PROVIDING OUR UPDATE AS WELL HERE, UM, THIS EVENING, AND I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR THE COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 27TH, THEN, UM, STAFF WILL BE REQUESTING THE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE TOWN MANAGER TO ULTIMATELY SIGN THE DOCUMENTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE LET THE RP AND, AND THAT SELECTION IS MADE, UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO RECEIVE THE RFP PROPOSALS BACK FROM ANY PERSPECTIVE, UM, CONSULTANTS ON, UH, OCTOBER 22ND OR SOMEWHERE THERE BOUNCED, AND THEN BASICALLY USING NOVEMBER,
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UM, TO COMPLETE THE FINAL SELECTION PROCESS AND, UH, WORKING ON DEVELOPING THE INITIAL WORK PLAN WITH THE CONSULTANT AND LOOKING TO FINALIZE THAT WORK PLAN THEN IN DECEMBER, YOU KNOW, PUTTING US IN POSITION TO BE ACTIVE AND INACTIVELY WORKING TOWARDS THIS JANUARY.SO, SO, UM, I SEE ON HERE, THERE'S, UM, LET'S SEE BUILDING PLAN REVIEW AND AFFECTION SERVICES.
SO THIS ONE WE'RE GOING TO START DIGGING IN MORE TO THE WAY THAT BUILDINGS, THAT KIND OF INSPECTION FOR CONDEMNATION AND STUFF.
NO, THIS IS, THIS IS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION BUILDING CONSTRUCTION.
WE'LL BE WORKING WITH OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.
NOW THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE CAN UTILIZE THE FIRMS THAT PUT IN FOR IT AND STUFF, BUT THIS IS MAINLY A PROCESS FOR SOMEONE TO PAY FOR ITSELF.
SO THERE'LL A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT.
THE ONLY THING IS IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY, WE WOULD NEED TO KIND OF FINALIZE THAT TRANSITIONS ON TRANSITION ON HOW SOME OF THE CURRENT BUILDING PERMITS THAT ARE ALREADY BEEN ISSUED, UM, RIGHT.
WHEN IT GETS AROUND THIS TIMEFRAME, HOW HAS THAT TRANSFERRED TO US OR IS IT CARRIED ON? UH, AND THEY FINISH ALL THE INSPECTIONS THAT ANY OF THE CURRENT BUILDING PERMITS THAT APPLICANT MAY HAVE OR SOMETHING.
AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THE QUICK, WOULDN'T IT BE COMPLICATED IF THEY'VE ALREADY HAD THE PIECE OF ART AND THEN SO THAT AT WORK YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE GOT TO WORK OUT.
THAT SHOULDN'T BE TOO DIFFICULT.
THEY, WELL, I HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE DISCUSSING IT AND WE'LL BE DISCUSSING MORE THURSDAY JUST TO BRING AWARENESS TO THE LEADERSHIP GROUP IN THE COUNTY HERE.
SO THIS IS THE LEAD US TO FALLING OFF WITH.
LATASHA SAID, THIS LEADS US TO THE NEXT STAGES, WHICH IS ONCE WE GET THIS IN PLACE AND THE KIND OF EASIER TASKS OF YOU BUILDING REMODELING, THEN WE CAN TACKLE THE HARDER THINGS, WHICH ARE THE WIRELESS BUILDING.
IS THAT, WELL, THAT'S GOING PARALLEL.
IT'S GOING TO BE, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.
I KNOW, UH, AT THE 27TH MEETING, LAUREN WILL BE GIVING A PRESENTATION ON IN OBS AND OTHER BUILDINGS AND TRYING TO PRIORITIZE TO GET THAT STRAIGHT TOO.
SO IT'S IT'S DOES NOT TELL ME OR IF THAT'S GREAT, CAUSE THAT'S THE PART THAT I'M MORE INTERESTED IN.
IT'S DEFINITELY BEEN ON EVERYBODY'S RADAR FOR, WELL, I HAVE THREE PROPERTY THAT REGULARLY, REGULARLY GET CALLED ON AND REGULARLY GO PAST REGULARLY.
SO IT'S TOP OF MIND, ALWAYS THE REASONS WHY I GOT A PLANET.
SO, UM, WELL IN MY HEAD OR ARE WE GOING TO GO, AS FAR AS THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, ARE WE DOING, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A THIRD PARTY PERSON TO COME IN AND MAKE THOSE INSPECTIONS, OR WILL THE SAME CONTRACTOR WHEN YOU SEND THIS RFI OUT? WELL, HE TAKE CARE OF THAT AS WELL.
WE CAN LET US LOOK INTO THAT TO SEE IF WE CAN, BUT THOSE ARE, I KNOW WE ALREADY HAVE, UH, MONEY BUDGETED FOR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AS WELL.
AND WE WOULD HAVE TO USE THESE FEES TOO, BUT THERE, THERE, THERE MAY BE A DISCUSSION.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, SOME OF THE NOPS, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A LOT, ANYTHING TALL GRASS TO TWO DILAPIDATED BUILDINGS TO
ALSO, IF WE GO THAT ROUTE, I KNOW STROUDSBURG HAD MENTIONED, UM, SOME INTEREST IN, IN THIS AS WELL, AND THERE WAS TALK OF THEM, POSSIBLY SHARING CALLS WITH US AT ONE POINT.
UM, I WOULD JUST REACH OUT TO THEM AND SEE IF MAYBE THEY
THAT'S THE ABOUT A MONTH, IT'LL BE THE RP WILL BE OUT FOR ABOUT A MONTH.
SO FIRMS CAN FOUR OR FIVE WEEKS.
SO WHEN WE GO TO THE LIAISON MEETING ON THURSDAY NIGHT AND WE BRING THIS UP, THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M SAYING THAT OUR GOAL IS THAT IN JANUARY, WE WOULD BE TAKING OVER THE SOUND'S PORTION.
I WAS JUST THINKING WHEN WE, WHEN WE DISCUSSED THAT WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, GIVING THAT TIMELINE, THAT'S CONTINGENT UPON US FINDING THE RIGHT FIRM AND GETTING EVERYTHING IN PLACE, RIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE FIRM JUST SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE TO INSPECTION SERVICES FOR
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WHOEVER THE APPLICANT IS.UH, NEXT UPDATE ON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OVER HERE, YOU WANT THAT ONE THING, WILL THAT HELP YOU? I'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO CLICK THE MOUSE THEATER, TRY THE ARROWS.
YOU MAY BE ABLE TO STAY ON THE PODIUM.
SO ESSENTIALLY THIS IS JUST A REAL QUICK OVERVIEW, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING HERE IN THE NEXT STEP 18 MONTHS.
UM, SO THE COMP PLAN IS ESSENTIALLY OUR GUIDE BOOK FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THIS IS GOING TO GUIDE THE FUTURE ACTIONS FOR THE NEXT 25 TO 30 YEARS.
IT'S GENERAL IT'S, UM, IT'S LIKE A HIGH ALTITUDE AT THE TOWN VS WHERE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES ARE LEVEL.
AND SO IT, AND THE IMPORTANT THING HERE TO REMEMBER IS THAT IT IS A POLICY INSTRUMENT FIRST AS A TECHNICAL INSTRUMENT, SECOND, YOUR ZONING AND SUBDIVISION OR YOUR TECHNICAL INDUSTRY.
THIS IS JUST A, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET A PROJECT IN THIS, THIS KIND OF FIT IN LINE WITH WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES, THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT FIT IN THIS AREA PER THE PLAN.
UM, AND SO FOR THE ACTUAL UPDATE PROCESS, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE UPDATING THIS PLAN EVERY FIVE YEARS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS SUPPOSED TO BE REVIEWING IT EVERY FIVE YEARS.
UM, THEY ARE CHARGED FIRST STATE CODE WITH DEVELOPING THIS PLAN.
THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE REALLY TO ESTABLISH THE VISION AND ESTABLISH THE DIRECTION, THE GOALS.
AND THEN, UM, ONCE THE PLAN IS WRITTEN, UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE ARE JUST AT THE VERY BEGINNING.
SO WE ARE IN THE, YOU KNOW, ORGANIZE SOUTH DIVISION PORTIONS OF THIS, UM, REWRITE AND ANALYZE WITH THE TUITION.
THIS IS WHERE WE WORK WITH THE CONSULTANTS AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE PUTTING OUT PUBLIC SURVEYS, HOLDING PUBLIC MEETINGS AND, UM, JUST GETTING ALL THE INFORMATION FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE INCLUDED IN THIS PLAN.
AND THEN, AND SO THAT'S TECHNICALLY ABOUT OUR PHASE ONE.
AND SO THEN ONCE WE GET HERE, UM, TO HELP US PREPARE THE COMP PLAN, THAT'S GOING TO KICK US INTO PHASE TWO.
UM, AND THEN IN THE COMP PLAN, THERE ARE FREE, UM, CHAPTERS THAT ARE ACTUALLY REQUIRED BY STATE CODE.
AND THOSE ARE PROVISIONS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, A TRANSPORTATION PLAN WITH MATH THAT HAS TO BE ADOPTED AND THEN, UM, PROVIDING FOR THE, UM, ACTUALLY BROADBAND INFRASTRUCTURE SPECIFICALLY, THE OTHER ITEMS ARE ITEMS THAT MAY BE INCLUDED IN THE PLAN, BUT THEY'RE ALL, I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL IMPORTANT.
UM, SO WITH OUR CONSULTANT, WE'VE WORKED OUT THIS TIMELINE.
SO, UM, THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO, WELL, ACTUALLY A COUPLE OF WEEKS WE STAFF IS WORKING ON GETTING A CONSULTANT, ALL OF THE DATA THAT WE HAVE ON OUR END.
AND THEN WE WILL IN OCTOBER BE HOLDING A JOINT COUNCIL PLANNING COMMISSION WORK SESSION, IT'LL BE THE, UM, OR LIKE LEADERSHIP FORUM WHERE YOU GUYS WILL ALL KIND OF GET INTO THE ROOM TOGETHER AND HASH OUT THE ULTIMATE PLAN FOR THIS.
UM, NOVEMBER BEGINS, UH, THE LAUNCH OF THE WEBSITE, WHERE THERE WILL BE A LINK ON OUR TOWN WEBSITE WHERE, UH, DOZENS CAN CLICK ON IT AND THEN JUST START ANSWERING SURVEYS AND JUST SUBMITTING ANY TYPE OF INFORMATION OR, UM, ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND THEN AS WE ENTER INTO PHASE TWO, THEY WILL START WRITING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, IN JUNE OF NEXT YEAR.
AND THESE, I MEAN, THESE ARE TENTATIVE DATES, UM, BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE A WORKING DRAFT, UM, BY SEPTEMBER, AUGUST.
AND THEN THEY WILL ALSO BEGIN THE REWRITE OF THE, UM, ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, WHICH IS FOR ME THE BIG PART SO THAT
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THEY USED DOCUMENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH EACH OTHER AND NOT WORK AGAINST EACH OTHER.I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO, UM, PHASE ONE IN SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, UM, DISCUSSION, JUST TO BE CLEAR.
SO IN OCTOBER, UH, W PROBABLY HAD THIS A SPECIAL CALL WORKS, I SHOULD MEAN, SHOULDN'T SAY NO MORE THAN HOUR AN HOUR AND A HALF, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE WHERE THE CONSULTANTS ARE GOING TO KIND OF SHARE WITH YOU ALL A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILS.
AND WE'RE HOPING BY THEN WE HAVE A PICTURE OR A VISION WORKS THAT FILLS HOW WE SEE IT JUST BASED ON WHAT THE INFORMATION IS.
IT'S SOMEWHAT CRITICAL THAT COUNSEL NAILS DOWN, SOMEWHAT THERE, WHATEVER THAT COULD BE, AND IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, CREIGHTON XYZ OR YOUR, OR DOING ABC.
AND THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT WE'LL HAVE SOME INFORMATION BECAUSE WE HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, YOUR COLLEAGUES, YOU NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR ON HOW YOU SEE FROM A, UH, A STANDPOINT OF HOW THE TOWN SHOULD LOOK 20 YEARS, 30 YEARS.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS, BUT THE LEADERSHIP PART OF, OF, OF THE COMP PLAN, WHERE IT STARTS IS RIGHT AROUND THIS TABLE.
AND THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE THE ONE WHO'S KIND OF HELPS DEVELOP AND COME UP WITH, UM, THE PLAN BASED ON SOMEWHAT THE VISION THAT COUNCIL HAS SET AS WELL AS THEIR VISION ITSELF.
THERE'LL BE SOME ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH ANY COMMISSION MEMBERS.
THAT COUNCIL HAS A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THEIR VISION, THEIR GOALS, HOW THEY WANT TO SEE A TOWN, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY GOING TO BE WHAT'S WHAT KIND OF MOVES THIS, THIS PLAN FORWARD.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'VE DONE MY INTERVIEWS WITH THE ROYAL EXAMINER, THIS, THIS TRAIN IS MOVING FAST AND IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A LOT OF DISCIPLINE AND FOCUS TO, TO STAY INVOLVED.
AND THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PLAN.
AND THEN WE STILL ARE GOING TO LOOK AT WAYS THROUGH OUR ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO, TO TAKE SOME PARALLEL TRACK, WE'RE GOING TO TRY, BUT THAT'S EVEN GOING TO BE MORE INTENSE BECAUSE THAT'S LITERALLY THE TECHNICAL PIECE.
THAT'S LITERALLY GOING TO TELL PROPERTY OWNERS WHAT THEY CAN OR CAN'T DO.
AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BE SO FOR THE NEXT 18 MONTHS THAT COUNCIL'S GOING TO BE REALLY BUSY REVIEWING THESE ELEMENTS, REVIEWING THE SUBDIVISION ZONING ORDINANCE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO PREPARE MOST OF THE DOCUMENTS WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT WE FEEL THAT, UM, COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER BASED ON FEEDBACK AND BASED ON PROFESSIONAL STAFF, UH, EXPERIENCE OF DOING THIS.
I HAVE A COUPLE, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO A WORK SESSION.
THAT'S ABOUT ONE HOUR IN OCTOBER WITH US.
AND THEN THE ONE THAT'S WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ACCORDING TO THIS DOCUMENT WE SENT, THEY SAID, EXPECT ABOUT THREE HOURS.
SO WHAT THEY WERE SAYING, I'M JUST SAYING, THAT'S WHAT, UM, YEAH, AND THEN ANOTHER COMMENT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH EVERYTHING, IT TALKED ABOUT THE CENSUS DATA.
AND I KNOW THAT I WAS READING AN ARTICLE IN THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE COUNTY.
AND THEY WERE SAYING THAT THE 20, 20 CENSUS DATA IS NOT READY YET.
AND I'M JUST, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
THAT, THAT COULD, THAT IMPACT WHAT WE'RE DOING.
IF THAT'S PART OF OUR VISION, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, WELL, WE MET WITH THE CONSULTANTS LAST WEEK.
THEY DID MENTION THAT THEY WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE GETTING THAT.
I MEAN, THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO PULL THE 20, 20 CENSUS DATA.
SO IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW.
THAT'S WHAT SEND THE PAPER, IT'S SOMETHING THERE, THE COUNTY'S DOING.
AND THEY SAID THAT RIGHT NOW, THE 2020 CENSUS DATA IS LATE TO BE REVEALED.
I DON'T KNOW, RIGHT NOW THE COUNTY IS UPDATING THEIR CONFERENCE PLAN.
THEY'RE, UM, THEY'RE FLYING LIDAR, UH, NEXT MONTH AND THAT'LL GET US ALL OF OUR NEW GIS.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE TURNING OVER TO THE CONSULTANTS TOO.
THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE I READ THAT, THEN THAT BASICALLY THE DENSITY, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE IN CASE THAT AFFECTS OUR TIMELINE.
UM, SO THE TOWN WAS, THE SITE IS GOING TO, I KNOW THEY SAID THEY WOULD HAVE LIKE A WEBSITE, BUT OUR TOWN WEBSITE IS GOING TO HAVE THE LINKS LINK RIGHT ON OUR SITE AND, AND ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE RIGHT WORKING DOCUMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WILL BE POSTED TO THIS WEBSITE.
SO THIS IS GREAT BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU GUYS THE OPPORTUNITY AT ANY TIME TO GO IN AND LOOK AT IT, SEE THE PROGRESS, RIGHT.
WHAT I WAS GONNA ADD IS FROM READING IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THE PUBLIC, OR YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WANT THEIR
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INPUT, WHICH I THINK IS WONDERFUL.UM, AND SO I KNOW THERE'LL BE A LINK ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE.
WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK IS, IS THAT WE SHOULD BE IN, I THINK WE SHOULD BE INCLUDING THIS INFORMATION.
LIKE WE ALWAYS SEND THOSE THINGS OUT WITH THE ELECTRIC BILL.
I THINK WE SHOULD BE, MAKE SURE THAT THAT INFORMATION IS OUT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, JUST SAY, HEY, THIS IS COMING.
UM, ALSO ON SOCIAL MEDIA ENGAGEMENT.
SO THERE'LL BE THINGS HITTING ON FACEBOOK.
THEY MENTIONED THE SOCIAL MEDIA.
THE ONLY THING I JUST WANT TO SAY ABOUT THAT IS THAT NOT EVERYONE IS ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
AND I, I THINK SOMETIMES THAT SOMETIMES WE LIVE IN A TECHNOLOGY WORLD, A LOT OF US, BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT EVERYBODY IS IN THAT SAME.
SO, UH, LIKE A HIGH PARTICIPATION RATE.
I MEAN, TYPICALLY YOU'RE LUCKY IF YOU GET SIX TO 10% OF THE POPULATION PARTICIPATING IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT, UM, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS FOR THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO ENGAGE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE WEBSITE OR WE'LL HAVE SURVEYS THAT WE CAN SEND OUT AND LIKE, SO WE CAN SEND OUT, UM, INFORMATION MAILINGS IN THE, UM, UTILITY ELECTRIC BELT.
AND THEN THE NEXT THING WAS, UM, THE REASON WHY I'M SAYING THAT IS BECAUSE EVEN THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER IS NOT DOING MUCH TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND, AND SEVERAL THINGS I'VE BEEN TO LATELY THERE HASN'T BEEN A HUGE TURNOUT AND PEOPLE SAY LATER, WELL, HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT? AND WE JUST ASSUME THAT PEOPLE READ SOCIAL MEDIA AND, UM, IS I WAS TOLD WE HAVE LIKE A WAY TO SEND OUT A MASS EMAIL.
IS THAT TRUE OR NOT? MR. X? DO WE HAVE LIKE MASS EMAIL LISTS THAT WE CAN SEND OUT TO CITIZENS? LIKE SOME, NO, NOT THE ELECTRIC CUSTOMERS.
WE HAVE A PUBLIC NOTICE SYSTEM.
IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO PUBLIC NOTICE SYSTEM ON OUR WEBSITE, RIGHT ON OUR WEBSITE AND CITIZENS CAN SIGN UP.
AND THEN YOU'LL GET A TEXT WHEN THINGS GET POSTED AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND I WOULD JUST ASK THAT WITH THE NEXT ELECTRIC BILL THAT WE TELL PEOPLE HOW TO DO THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TELLING ME FOR AWHILE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET ON THIS EMAIL LIST.
AND I'VE HAD AN ELECTRIC BILL FOR 25 YEARS AND NOBODY'S EVER, I NEVER HAVE I KNOWN THAT THERE WAS A WAY TO GET ON AN EMAIL LIST.
AND SO I JUST, I JUST FEEL LIKE IMPORTANT CITIZENS ARE GONNA FEEL, UH, THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE MORE OWNERSHIP IN HELPING US WITH THIS.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE AS MANY OPPORTUNITIES AS WE CAN TO INFORM PEOPLE, UM, AND NOT JUST RELY ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
UM, OR THE BJ, IT'S A WEBSITE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO AND SIGN UP ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE FOR PUBLIC NOTICES.
I WOULD JUST SUGGEST A QUICK WAY TO GET PEOPLE THERE WITHOUT HAVING TO TYPE IN A WEB ADDRESS FOR AND STUFF.
IT JUST BE A, PUT A QR CODE ON THE NEXT ONE, BECAUSE I KNOW I'M JUST SAYING, WHO DOES NOT MAYBE DID EACH SCAN OR SCAN THIS QR CODE NOW A PICTURE YOU JUST HAVE TO TAKE A CAMERA PICTURE.
THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO HAVE A QR READER AND IT WILL TAKE THEM TO THAT LINK.
SO IT MIGHT BE A FASTER RATE THAN SOMEBODY THINKING I GOT MY ELECTRIC BILL AND I HAVE TO GO TYPE THIS IN.
ANNA WAS SAYING, I WOULD DO IT FOR A FEW MONTHS.
CAUSE I MEAN, I'M, I'M JUST SAYING I'M ADMITTING MYSELF THAT I'D NEVER GOTTEN ON THE EMAIL LIST.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT EXISTED THIS TIME.
AND THEN ONE LAST THING IS ON THE LAST PAGE OF THIS DOCUMENT EAST VENICE, THERE WERE, UM, IT WAS 13 THROUGH 17.
IT DOESN'T REALLY MENTION THAT ANYTHING'S GOING ON THERE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A LOT STILL GOING ON, BUT ON THE LAST PAGE, THE SCHEDULE, A STANDARD RATE, WE DON'T REALLY NEED THOSE, RIGHT.
I MEAN LIKE, CAUSE WE ALREADY, WE ALREADY, THIS IS A CONTRACT AND THE FEES.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THESE AREN'T HIDDEN COSTS LIKE NO.
SO LIKE WHEN I WORKED FOR AN ENGINEERING FIRM AND WE WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS BECAUSE THEIR STAFF BY THE HOUR OR BY THE 15 MINUTE DAY PERMIT, THESE COSTS HELP THEM TRACK THEIR BUDGET.
SO THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHY THAT WAS OKAY.
THAT'S MORE FOR THEIR TRACKING.
AND JUST FOR OUR INFORMATION, YOU CAN ALSO GO BACK AND SAY, HEY, THESE ARE THE ALLOTTED HOURS, OR THIS IS THE BUDGET FOR THIS PORTION, RIGHT? WHY IS THIS MORE OR LESS THAT, RIGHT.
I SAW THAT AND THOUGHT, ARE THEY GOING TO COME BACK LATER AND SAY, WELL, WE SPENT OUR PLANNER THREE, WORKED WITH T3 MORE HOURS THAN WAS WE'RE CONTRACTED.
SO HERE'S AN ADDITIONAL $375 IF WE GO OVER OR IF THEY GO OVER, I'LL LET US KNOW.
AND THAT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO KIND OF DISCUSS IT WITH HIM.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO GO OVER YOUR WEEKLY MEETINGS
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WITH THEM.LIKE, WE'LL GO INTO ME AND THEY'LL SAY, HERE'S WHERE WE ARE.
SO I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE MONITORING THAT PART OF THE PROJECT.
AND SO WE'LL BE TRACKING THAT THEY'LL BE TRACKING DOWN.
WHAT WAS THE LAST DATE OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? 1998 IS WHEN IT WAS ADOPTED.
YOU WANT TO SEE IT? I HAVE IT HERE.
SO YOU GUYS DID A TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER.
I THINK YOU GUYS DID A HOUSING CHAPTER.
SO THOSE I THINK WILL BE TURNED OVER TO THEM, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
I WON'T BREAK IT IN THEIR HOURS.
WE HAD LIKE THREE, FOUR HOUR MEETINGS ON THAT STUFF.
SO I WAS ACTUALLY VERY SURPRISED TO FIND A WHOLE FOLDER OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN.
WELL, AGAIN, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, THIS IS REALLY THE EXCITING OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO BE ABLE TO SHAPE HOW TOWN'S IS GOING TO LOOK AND FEEL.
UM, AND SO AS YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN LEWIS SAY THAT, HOW DOES IT FEEL? WHAT'S THE CHARACTER.
SO THE POINT OF IT IS THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEAL WITH.
HOW ABOUT CONSIDERATIONS? VEHICLE G MAY REMEMBER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE OUR COMMON PLAN HADN'T BEEN UPDATED IN ABOUT 20 YEARS.
AND, UM, I FEEL LIKE OUR PARKING SITUATION HASN'T BEEN EITHER ONCE I STARTED GOING THROUGH IT THAT, YEAH.
UM, SO JUST TO, JUST TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THE AREAS THAT, UH, THAT I'VE FOUND, UM, AGAIN, LET ME KNOW IF YOU GUYS WANT TO ABBREVIATE THIS ONE ANYWAY, I'M JUST LOOKING THROUGH 1 58 DASH NINE, THE AUTHORITY TO DESIGNATE TRAPPERS, THAT DEPARTMENT RECORDS, REGULATIONS.
UM, PRETTY MUCH THE TOWN MANAGER HAS THE AUTONOMY TO DO THAT.
ALTHOUGH IT IS CONFLICTED NUMBER IN THE CODE.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.
A LOT OF THESE THINGS I THINK CAME THROUGH THROUGH THE YEARS OF DIFFERENT COUNCILS COMING IN AND SAT IN DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY WANTED TO SEEK OUT.
UM, IF YOU COULD FLIP OVER TO 1 58, 19 0.1, WHICH IS PAGE NUMBER 1 58, 14 B AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE, RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, I DON'T THINK I'VE GOT THAT HIGHLIGHTED, BUT IT SAID IT SHALL BE HOME.
I'M OFFERING A PARK, TRACTORS, TRUCKS, TRACTOR, TRUCKS, TRAILERS, AND SEMITRAILERS UPON THE PUBLIC STREETS AND ALLEYS OF THE TOWN LOCATED IN ANY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THAT, AND THEN I, I GET THAT IT'S PRIMARILY DESIGNED FOR TRACTOR TRAILERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE DO WITH BOAT TRAILERS? WHAT DO WE DO WITH CONSTRUCTION TRAILERS, WHETHER THEY'RE HOOKED ON HOOK, THE GUY THAT MOTHERSHIP GRASS HAS A TRAILER, HE PULLS UP A PICTURE, TECHNICALLY HE'S IN VIOLATION OF THE CODE.
I MEAN, IN THE PAST, UH, JUST THROUGH CUSTOMS AND PRACTICES, I THINK IT WAS A FLAVOR OF COUNCIL YEARS BACK.
UM, IF THE, IF THE TRAILERS WERE BASICALLY PARKED THERE IN FRONT OF THE RESIDENCE AND NOT CURRENTLY BEING USED, LIKE THE GUY'S NOT MOWING THE YARD OR WORKING ON THE HOUSE, UM, THEY WOULD CONSIDER THAT TO BE IN VIOLATION.
UM, BUT THERE'S REALLY NO LANGUAGE TO SUPPORT HOW THAT WORKS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A DETERMINATION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE.
UM, AND THEN FORWARD IT TO THE, TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY TO, TO ADDRESS SHE, I KNOW, WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF THESE TRAILERS.
I MEAN, WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD IN THE PAST, AND I THINK WHAT YOUR OFFICERS DO, THE TRAILER IS HOOKED TO A VEHICLE.
IT CAN STAY THERE AS LONG AS WHATEVER, BUT IF IT TRAILERS JUST PARKED THERE, RIGHT.
AND THERE'S, Y'ALL PUT A NOTE OR WHATEVER ON IT SAYING RIGHT WITHIN SUCH TIME AND WHATEVER, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT'S A, THAT'S A CUSTOMER PRACTICE AND MODEL MODEL POLICY OR A CODE.
SO I, I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE TIME TO DO THIS, WE SHOULD PROBABLY ADDRESS SOME OF THAT STUFF BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU.
IF SOMEBODY PULLS UP AND IS DOING SOME WORK ON A HOUSE, TECHNICALLY THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OF CODE WHEN THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, RE YOU KNOW, PUTTING A NEW ROOF ON YOUR, ON YOUR HOUSE AND THEY'VE GOT A TRAILER.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT IS THE, IT'S THE TRAILERS THAT ARE JUST SITTING THERE ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET AND BEEN THERE FOR SIX MONTHS.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A DIFFERENT, THAT'S A HORSE BETTER, OR TRACTOR TRAILERS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF SOMEBODY'S HOUSE THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO LOOK OUT THE WINDOW.
SO THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING TO ADDRESS.
UM, THE THING WE GET PAID WELL, GENERALLY THOUGH, BACK IT UP INTO LIKE A DRIVEWAY
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OR 30 YARD, I MEAN, WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT OUR NEIGHBOR DID GROWING UP.HE PULLED HIS TRACTOR TRAILER INTO THE BACK OF HIS BACKYARD, SO IT WASN'T ON THE STREET.
SO, AND, AND THAT, THAT HAS BEEN THE CUSTOMER PRACTICE FOR MANAGING THAT.
AND A LOT OF IT, AGAIN, BASED ON THE FLAVOR, WHAT COUNCIL WISH IN THE PAST, AND KIND OF RESPOND TO THOSE THINGS ON A COMPLAINT BASIS, MAKE SURE IN A, AN EMAIL AND WE WOULD GO OUT AND PUT IT OUT.
WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT PEYTON STREET, UH, PARKING, DISBELIEVE, THAT SECTION SEAT I JUST MADE, UH, THE, UH, THE COMMENT, UH, CONSIDERING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, MAYBE ADDRESSING THE LATEST PARKING STUDY AND SETTING LIMITS ON OUR MUNICIPAL PARKING AREAS ACCORDINGLY.
UM, AN, A CULPEPPER FOR EXAMPLE, HAS DIFFERENT PARKING DISTRICTS WHERE THEY ALLOW THEY HAVE KIND OF DIFFERENT RULES FOR PARKING.
UM, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF, UH, JURISDICTIONS LOCALLY THAT, THAT PROHIBIT, UH, PARKING FOR CERTAIN PERIODS OF TIMES ON THEIR MUNICIPAL LIGHTS, LET'S SAY ALSO CALLED PEPPER.
YOU CAN'T PARK ANY MORE THAN 24 HOURS AND GIVEN TIME ON THEIR, ON ONE OF THEIR MUNICIPAL LOTS, RIGHT NOW YOU CAN PARK A CAR AND PEYTON STREET AND LEAVE IT ON INDEFINITELY, AS LONG AS IT RUNS.
AND IT'S GOT PROPER STICKERS ON IT.
IT CAN SIT THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE OTHER PIECE WE CAN TALK ABOUT CAUSE THEY CAN GET SO NUMBER TWO, UM, IT'S MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD ANY, IT SAYS IN THE PEYTON STREET PARKING LOT BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 5:00 AM AT 12:30 AM SHALL NOT APPLY TO ANY OF THE FOLLOWING VEHICLES PARKED.
SO FROM FIVE, 5:00 AM ALL THE WAY TO 12:30 AM.
SO FROM 1230 TO FIVE, YOU CAN, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ACCIDENTAL.
I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT MEAN 1230 TO 5:00 AM.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, WELL, NO, AND I THINK, I THINK THAT, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY WRITTEN, UH, THAT WAY AND I'M, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY I DON'T.
I KNOW, AND SOME OF IT OBVIOUSLY IS FOR EMERGENCY STOP TYPE STUFF, HOSPITAL, MOBILE UNITS, FIRE AND RESCUE VEHICLES, UH, VEHICLES I OWN AND OPERATED BY THE TOWN.
AND I'M THINKING, THIS IS WHOEVER WROTE THIS WHENEVER THEY WROTE IT, MAYBE THINKING IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, NATURAL DISASTERS WHERE THEY WERE STAGING EQUIPMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT.
I DON'T, I'M NOT REALLY SURE AGAIN, SO THAT SCHOOL BUS IS ACCORDING THIS THERE'S SCHOOL BUSES 10 BE PARKED ON TOWN STREETS AND DEFINITELY, YEAH, THIS, THIS IS FOR THE TOWN PARKING LOTS AND WHEN THEY'RE ENGAGED IN PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
SO AGAIN, I'M, I'M THINKING THAT THIS WAS MAYBE WRITTEN WHEN SOMEBODY WAS CONSIDERING SOME SORT OF A NATURAL DISASTER.
AGAIN, IT DOESN'T MAKE A HECK OF A LOT OF SENSE IN CODE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I HIGHLIGHTED THE GAZEBO AREA PARKING LOT.
UH, WE, WE HAVE THOSE GREEN SPACES AND, UH, THERE WERE YOU ON COUNCIL BACK WHEN THAT WAS DONE A HUNDRED YEARS AGO? I THINK THINGS
UM, AND DAVID, I'M NOT SURE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S TWO GREEN SPACES FOR THE CHARGER RIGHT.
AND I THINK THERE WERE SOME MORE DOWN THERE BECAUSE MAYBE THEY WERE JUST SOME PEOPLE THAT WERE KIDS PARKING DOWN IN THAT AREA AND THEY JUST KIND OF CAME UP WITH THIS PARKING SPACES AND YEAH.
AND THEN IT WILL, THAT REALLY WORKED IN IT.
AND IT'S NOT REALLY, SO THAT NEEDS TO BE GONE TO THEM.
I MEAN, IT WAS NOT ENFORCED ANYWAY.
WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM THERE ANYMORE.
LIKE THERE, I THINK THERE WERE PROBABLY MAYBE 15, 20 YEARS AGO, IT SOUNDED LIKE MAYBE THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
WE'VE NOT HAD IT IN QUITE SOME TIME.
SO PAGE 1 58, 15, ACTUALLY SECTION 1 58 41, STOPPING ON HIGHWAY, ANY, ANY, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF, UH, SECTION D THERE ANY VEHICLE FOUND ON A, IN THE VICINITY OF A FIRE ACCIDENT OR AREA OF EMERGENCY MAY BE REMOVED BY ORDER OF A POLICE OFFICER RISK AND EXPENSE, NOT TO EXCEED $5 OF THE OWNER OF SUCH A VEHICLE CRAVES, A TRAFFIC HAZARD OR NECESSARY FIRE WORKERS.
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TO IT, AND THERE ARE VEHICLES IN THE WAY, OBVIOUSLY IF THERE'S VEHICLES IN IMMEDIATELY IN THE WAY, THEY'LL THE FIRETRUCKS LOOK LIKE WE CATCH THEM OUT OF THE WAY.BUT AS FAR AS LIKE STAGING THINGS LIKE THAT, THERE MAY BE MAYBE REQUIRED TO TELL THEM.
AND THAT THAT MAY COME AT THE EXPENSE OF THE TOWN OR THE, I GUESS THEY COULD GO BACK OUT.
YOU WOULD THINK WHOEVER IS HAVING THE EMERGENCY, MAYBE THAT INSURANCE COMPANY, AS FAR AS PART OF THE BILL, AS FAR AS RECOVERY.
UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE, WHERE THAT PIECE COMES INTO PLAY.
SO THAT MEANS THERE IS MORE OF THAT.
THERE'S $5, $1 FOR YOU, UM, INOPERATIVE IN AND UNLICENSED VEHICLES, WHICH IS 1 58, 26, IT'S IN IT'S ON PAGE 1 58, 17, HEY, NO PERSON SHALL PARKER PERMIT TO STAND UP ON ANY, ANY OF THE STREETS, ALLEYS OR GROUNDS WITHIN TOWN, ANY VEHICLE, WHICH IS UNLICENSED, WHICH FAILS TO DISPLAY A CURRENT LICENSE PLATE IN STICKER.
AND FABRICAL FOR THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA OR SOME OTHER LAWFUL JURISDICTION, OR WHICH DISPLAYS AN EXPIRED LICENSE PLATE AND STICKER IF APPLICABLE.
SO 10 REQUIREMENTS FOR CURRENT REGISTRATION AND PARKING IN MY ESTIMATION LEGISLATION HAS CHANGED.
AND NOW THERE'S A GRACE PERIOD.
EVERYBODY HAS BEEN DEALING WITH DMV.
UM, SO THE THOUGHT IS, IS MAYBE CONSIDER, UM, THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CASE WITH SOME OF THESE VEHICLES.
UH, I THINK IT'S THREE MONTHS ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE FOURTH MONTH PAST EXPIRED REGISTRATION OR INSPECTION, THEN WE CAN LAWFULLY STOP IT.
AND AGAIN, DOUG, THAT MIGHT BE, UH, UH, SOMETHING FOR YOU TO DIG INTO A LITTLE BIT.
IF THE CAR STATIONARY, UH, CITING IT BASED SOLELY ON THAT, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT COUNCIL MAY NEED SOME GUIDANCE ON THIS OR THAT THE INSPECTION STICKERS.
ALSO, THE CAR HAS BEEN SETTING ON A ROAD FOR, LET'S SAY, FOUR YEARS WITH AN INSPECTION STICKER, DATING BACK TO LIKE 2017 OR WHATEVER 18, THEN THEY SHOULD BE TOWED.
DEPENDING ON WHERE WE, WHERE WE GET DO WITH THAT.
SO, BUT HE, NO PERSON SHALL PARK OR PERMIT TO STAY IN THE CAR ON PUBLIC STREETS, OUR GROUNDS WITHIN ANY OPERA, ANY INOPERATIVE VEHICLE FOR A PERIOD OF MORE THAN 10 DAYS.
SO THIS IS STANDARD FOR KIND OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE AREA.
AND I'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH SOME OF THAT HERE A LITTLE BIT.
UM, BUT IT ALSO CONFLICTS WITH ANOTHER PIECE OF THE CODE, UM, MAJOR PARKING, WHICH IS THE NEXT PAGE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY METER PARKING.
THERE WERE METERS ON MAIN STREET PROBABLY.
UM, IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP AS PART OF THE PARKWAY SOLUTION OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, BUT, UH, CAPITAL'S NEVER REALLY HAD AN THAT LIFE.
SO THAT'S A SECTION YOU WANT TO ASK YOU, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE AREAS IS TWO HOUR PARKING, WHATEVER IS THAT AN ENFORCEABLE? WELL, THE PROBLEM IS IT USED TO BE, AND IT STILL IS.
IF YOU GOT METERS, THE PROBLEM IS, IS WE USED TO CHALK THE TIRES AND THE CARS, AND THAT'S NOW BEEN CONSIDERED A SEARCH, BUT YEAH, THERE'S UNFORTUNATELY THERE.
WE USED TO BE ABLE TO JUST MARK, UH, PUT A CHALK MARK ON THE TIRE AND THE, IN THE STREET IT'S CONSIDERED, IT'S NOW CONSIDERED UNCONSTITUTIONAL CHOCOLATE TIRE, SO, WOW.
UM, SO YOU'RE SAYING MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T HAVE THE METER SECTION IN THERE UNLESS WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE METER.
I BROUGHT THAT UP AND IT GOT SHUT DOWN IMMEDIATELY.
THE PUBLIC WENT CRAZY WHEN I SAID THAT THEY WERE LATE.
I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO GET THE WISH.
LIKE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO CHESTER HAS IT WORKS FOR THEM? YEAH.
CAUSE YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T WANT TO GET CHARGED.
I THINK WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AS WE'RE PLANNING A PARKING STUDY, ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS THAT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THAT MONEY? AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO TAKE THAT MONEY AND MOVE IT TOWARDS CRACKING SOME OF THE LONG-TERM PARKING ISSUES ON JACKSON STREET, PEYTON STREET, OTHER PLACES.
THEN I THINK THEY'D BE A LITTLE MORE OPEN TO THAT.
THEN WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET FOR THE STAFF TO HAVE LIKE THE END SOLUTION.
BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY THEY DON'T PAY FOR THEMSELVES IS WHAT I, UM, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T REALLY MAKE THE MONEY BACK OFF OF THE INSTALLATIONS.
CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS IT'D BE INTERESTING TO ASK WINCHESTER, LIKE WHAT KIND OF REVENUE DO THEY GET FROM THAT? OR IF THEY TAKE A LOSS, THEN WHAT'S THE POINT.
WELL, THEY HAVE METERS AND THEN THEY HAVE PARKING GARAGES TOO.
SO THEY HAVE MULTIPLE STREAMS TO GET SOME OF THAT INCOME COUNCIL DESIRES.
WE COULD LOOK INTO THOSE TECHNOLOGIES, THE BUSINESS OWNERS WEREN'T EVEN REALLY THAT INTERESTED IN THE METERS PARKING AT THAT TIME WHEN SOMETHING'S CHANGED WINCHESTER'S
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COST IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE IT.SO YOU HAVE TO USE THE APP ON YOUR PHONE.
SO THAT'S ALL THAT PAYMENT SYSTEM BEHIND THE SCENES.
A BIGGER PROVIDER ONLY JUST HAVE IT'S THAT THING RIGHT THERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW THE ONES IN WINCHESTER, YOU CAN STILL PUT CODES IN THOUGH.
I'D RATHER, THEY JUST BE ZAPPED WITH THE APP BECAUSE DEALING WITH MONEY IS RIGHT.
AND THE PARKING GARAGE, UM, TO A FEW YEARS, SHOP DOWNTOWN IN WINCHESTER, YOU CAN ASK FOR A VALIDATION COUPON FOR LAKE.
IF YOU GO INTO A STORE, THEY'VE GOT THESE VALIDATION COUPONS.
AND THEN I NEVER KNEW THAT HOW MANY TIMES I PAY TO USE THEN WHEN YOU'RE LEAVING THE AUTO PARK OR WHATEVER YOU PUT THAT IN INSTEAD OF YOUR MONEY.
SO LIKE, I'M JUST SAYING I COULD, WHEN I GO TO RUNNERS STREET, ALWAYS GET THAT BECAUSE I'M LIKE, HEY C AND A, AND THEN THE BUSINESSES THEY'RE GIVEN THOSE.
SO I DON'T THINK THEY PAY FOR THEM.
THEY'RE GIVEN SO MANY OF THEM FROM THE AUTO PARK.
I JUST THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO STOP DOWN MAIN STREET, GET A $4 CUP OF COFFEE OR $7 BEARS.
UM, SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO UH, OH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON FROM THAT, IF YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO KEEP THAT SECTION 1 58 35 DELIVERIES IN BUS STOPS, AS IT APPLIES TO PARKING METER SPACES, UM, IT, IT CONFLICTS WITH A 1 58 0.9, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT GAVE, UH, THE TOWN MANAGER, THE AUTONOMY FOR THE PARKING, UH, DESIGNATIONS HERE ACTUALLY RECOGNIZES TOWN COUNCIL WAS HAVING THE AUTHORITY TO MANAGE THAT.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU MIGHT WANT TO ALL RIGHT.
1 58 PAGE 1 58, 20, SAME SECTION, UH, THIS, I TRIED TO MAKE SENSE OF IT, BUT I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.
QUITE FRANKLY, THAT WOULD BE, I WOULD BE.
IT'S JUST, THEY GOT TO PAY HIM A SON OF ONE DOG FOR EACH HOUR FRACTION THERE.
I THINK THE WAY WHEN I WAS READING AN AUDIT, I THINK IT HAD TO DO WITH THE METERS.
LIKE IF YOU WENT OVER AND YOU HAD TO GO TO THE TOWN HALL AND PAY THEM THAT DOLLAR WITHIN 48 HOURS, AND I'M SURE THE PEOPLE ARE DOWN IN FRONT OF WANT TO BE COLLECTING A DOLLAR.
IT JUST, IT SEEMS AWFULLY ANTIQUATED, ABANDONED INOPERABLE VEHICLES, UH, 1 58 39, UH, CONTINUING ON THAT SAME PAGE.
UH, ANY MOTOR VEHICLE TRAILER SEMI-TRAILER MAY BE REMOVED, BUT FOR SAFEKEEPING BUYER UNDER THE DIRECTION OF POLICE OFFICER TO A STORAGE AREA GARAGE, WHENEVER SUCH MOTOR VEHICLE TRAILER SEMI-TRAILERS LEFT ABANDONED FOR MORE THAN 48 HOURS.
AND THAT CONFLICTS WITH 1 58, 26 B UH, 10 DAYS, 40 HOURS, 40 HOURS.
WELL, AND I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S THE, UH, THAT'S, THAT SEEMS TO BE THE BONE OF CONTENTION THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT.
UM, AND THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE KIND OF THE, THE, THE DECISION THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO MAKE.
GOING BACK TO THE INITIAL THING.
I DID A LITTLE BIT OF DIGGING LOCALLY LURAY.
UM, THEY DO 10 DAYS OR FOUR DAYS CONSECUTIVE CONSECUTIVELY WITHOUT MOVING, UM, COLEPEPPER.
THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S UNLAWFUL TO PARK ON, ON STREET, IF IN VIOLATION OF STATE CODE, UH, WHARTON HAS A VEHICLE PARKED ON THE STREET AND VIOLATION OF STATE CODE, UH, FOR FOUR DAYS, EXCEPT THIS CONSECUTIVELY WITHOUT MOVING LEESBURG VEHICLE PARKED ON THE STREET AND VIOLATION OF STATE CODE FOR 10 DAYS.
UM, WINCHESTER'S A VEHICLE PARKED ON THE STREET IN VIOLATION OF STATE GRIP FOR 48 HOURS.
SO THERE IS, AND I'VE BEEN TALKING TO THEM, I'VE GOT SOME STUFF FROM THEM ON THAT.
UM, BUT IT'S ALSO GOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOTTA BE, IT'S GOTTA BE AN OPERABLE OR HAVE BE OUT OF DATE X NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT.
AND IT DOESN'T SAY AN OPERABLE IN THIS, YOU CAN HAVE 1, 1 58 39 JUST CAUSE I WAS, IT LITERALLY JUST SAYS WHENEVER SUCH MOTOR VEHICLE TRAILER, A SEMI-TRAILER IS FOUND ON THE STREETS OF THE TOWN OR PUBLIC GROUNDS, UNINTENDED BY THE OWNER-OPERATOR CONSTITUTES A HAZARD TO TRAFFIC, WHEREAS PARKED IN SUCH MANNER HAS TO BE IN VIOLATION OF LAW HAZARD PRETTY VAGUE.
BUT YES, IT'S A, IF IT'S A HAZARD, UM, MAYBE THERE ARE SOME, UM, THERE'S SOME CODES THAT I LOOKED AT, UM, IN SOME OF THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND THEY KIND OF LAY SOME OF THAT OUT.
AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO DO, UM, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST TO THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT TO, AND MOST OF THEM HAVE TO HAVE TO MEET TWO OR MORE OF THE CRITERIA, YOU KNOW, A DEAD INSPECTION AND A DEAD REGISTRATION, OR, YOU KNOW, A DEAD INSPECTION
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AND MISSING PARTS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, WHEELS, WHEELS ON THAT.UM, SO, SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS, AND THEN WE JUST NEEDED TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT TIMEFRAME LOOKS LIKE.
I MEAN, AND AGAIN, WE, YOU KNOW, WE ALL WERE, YOU KNOW, YOUNG PEOPLE ONCE MAYBE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY AND I CAN UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY THAT'S GOT A, HAS A PROBLEM WITH THE CAR DON'T GET PAID UNTIL NEXT FRIDAY, YOU GO INTO THE HOSPITAL, A TIRE GOES FLAT, YOU GO ON VACATION, YOU KNOW, A TREE FALL AND BUST YOUR WINDOW.
SO THINKING ABOUT THOSE THINGS THAT WE DO, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHERE DO WE MAKE THAT DETERMINATION? MOST OF THEM, MOST OF THE PLACES HAVE 10 DAYS, WINCHESTER DOES 48 HOURS.
UM, AND IN MY ESTIMATION, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR COMPLIANCE.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WHATEVER TIMEFRAME YOU GUYS FEEL LIKE IS WHAT WE SHOULD GO WITH.
UM, WE SHOULD MAKE THAT A, UH, MAY RATHER THAN A SHOWER, AS FAR AS HOW SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST TRY TO INQUIRE AND GET COMPLIANCE RATHER THAN WHAT ABOUT CARS THAT ARE PARKED ON THE, UH, UH, CAR COVERS.
THERE'S NOTHING IN CODE THAT REALLY ADDRESSES THAT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO I'D HAVE TO, I HAVE TO BOUNCE THAT UP TOO, BECAUSE I KNOW WE DO HAVE SOME OF THOSE I DON'T GET IN THEIR OWN LICENSED AND WHATEVER.
BECAUSE I KNOW YOU COULDN'T PULL THE CAR COVER BACK BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TURN SURE THEY CAN'T LOOK UNDERNEATH OF IT.
SO THAT, THAT BECOMES, UM, 1 58, 20 SECTION C AT THE TOP.
EACH OWNER OPERATOR WITHIN 48 HOURS OF TIME WITH SUCH NOTICE IS ATTACHED TO
SO AT $1 FOR EACH HOUR, I'M SORRY.
DID I GO BACKWARDS? SORRY, 1 58 DASH NUMBER THREE AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT PAGE THOUGH, WHERE YOU PUT NO COST TO THE OWNER QUESTION MARK.
YEAH, BUT THE FIRST PART OF THAT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
WHENEVER SUCH MOTOR VEHICLE TRAILER OR SEMI-TRAILER INVOLVED IN ACCIDENT IS FOUNDED UPON THE HIGHWAYS OR STREETS AND STILL LOCATED TO IMPEDE THE ORDERLY FLOW OF TRAFFIC.
THE P THE POLICE MAY AT NO COST TO THE OWNER-OPERATOR REMOVE SUCH VEHICLE TRAILER, OR SEMI-TRAILER FROM THE HIGHWAYS OR STREETS TO SOME POINT IN THE VICINITY WHERE SUCH MOTOR VEHICLE TRAILER OR SEMI-TRAILER WERE NOT VIEWED FOR TRAFFIC, UM, THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY LEAVE EVERY ACCIDENT THAT WE GO TO, THAT WE WOULD BE CALLED HAVING TOWED AT NO COST TO THE OWNER AND THAT FALSE THE INSURANCE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE DON'T WANT EVERYBODY JUST DON'T EVERYBODY, BUT IT JUST SAID, MOVE IT, IT DIDN'T SAY THEY ORDER IT, MOVE IT SOMEWHERE SPECIFIC.
IT COULD JUST BE TO THE STUFF HE DID TO PUSH YOU OVER TO SOME POINT IN THE VICINITY.
IT DIDN'T SAY TO YOUR HOUSE, WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT.
UM, SO NEXT NEXT ONE FOR, UH, WHENEVER SUCH A MOTOR VEHICLE, UH, TRAILER OR SEMI-TRAILERS ON PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY, OTHER THAN THE PROPERTY OF THE OWNER OF SUCH A MOTOR VEHICLE TRAILER SEMITRAILER NOW, OR IS ABANDONED OPPONENT PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY WITHOUT THE PERMISSION.
AND UNLESS THE OCCUPANT THEREOF PROVIDED NO SUCH VEHICLE SHALL BE REMOVED FROM PRIVATE DEON PREMISES WITHOUT THE WRITTEN REQUEST OF THE YOUNG ADOLESCENT, YOUR OCCUPANT THEREOF, WHEN THE OWNER LESS OF YOUR OCCUPANT OF SUCH PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY REQUESTS, SUCH REMOVAL, HE SHALL BE REQUIRED TO INDEMNIFY THE TOWN AGAINST ANY LOSS OR EXPENSE INVOLVED BY REASON OF REMOVAL STORAGE OR STALE THEY UP THERE.
SO, YEAH, I MEAN, ESSENTIALLY, ANY VEHICLE THAT A PERSON WANTS TOWED FROM THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY, THEY CAN HAVE IT TOWED.
THEY DON'T RE, THEY DON'T NEED US TO TELL IT OR REQUEST A TOW.
THEY HAVE FULL AUTHORITY TO HAVE THE VEHICLE TOWED.
HOW OLD IS THIS THERE'S SECTIONS THAT ARE FROM 83, 84? I KIND OF WONDER THE DOLLAR.
SO THE NEXT SECTION IS, SHALL BE PRESUMED THAT A MOTOR VEHICLE TRAILER OR SEMI-TRAILER OR PART THEREOF IS A BAN.
IF IT LACKS EITHER A CURRENT LICENSE PLATE, CURRENT COUNTY, CITY, OR TOWN PLATE OR STICKER, NEVER SEEN A TEMPLATE FOR IT, OR A VALID STATE INSPECTION STICKER, UH, OR CERTIFICATE, AND HAS BEEN A SPECIFIC LOCATION FOR 10 DAYS WITHOUT BEING ADMITTED.
SO THAT'S NOT ON THE STREET, THAT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTIES.
WHAT THIS IS ACTUALLY REFERRING TO 10 DAYS, 48 HOURS.
IT, SO YOU COULD GO ON SOMEBODY'S PRIVATE PROPERTY ABOUT THE DEAD
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STICKER.WELL, AGAIN, THAT'S GOING TO BE A ZONING QUESTION BECAUSE IF THEY'VE GOT VEHICLES ON THEIR PROPERTY, THAT MAY BE IN VIOLATION OF A ZONING ORDINANCE THAT CAN BE DEALT WITH, BUT PUT INTO THE ZONING OFFICE THAT WOULD LIKE STOP, KNOCK ON HER DOOR.
I HAD A NEIGHBOR THAT HAPPENED TO IT WAS IN HIS GARAGE FOR YEARS AND YEARS, AND HE PULLED IT OUT OF THE GARAGE AND HADN'T EVEN GOTTEN THE CHANCE TO LIKE, AND HANG OUT LETTER LIKE IT'S, AND THIS, THIS, THIS PIECE DOESN'T REALLY REFER TO POLICE ACTION.
WE DON'T EVEN REQUIRE A TOWN STICKER ANYMORE.
WE SHOULD PROBABLY THAT SHOULDN'T BE IN THERE 1 58, 39 0.1 REMOVAL OF IMMOBILIZATION OF MOTOR VEHICLES ARE MORE THAN TWO OUTSTANDING PARKING VIOLATIONS.
AND THAT REFERS TO BOOTING A CAR.
IF WE'VE GOT, IF WE GOT TWO OUT OF THESE ON IT, I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE.
SO WE COULD MAYBE TIE, MAYBE WE CAN MAYBE TIE, UM, THE UNPAID INNOVATE AND NOTICE VIOLATIONS INTO REMOVAL.
IF WE TELL ONE, IF YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY'VE GOT CURRENT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING, THEY JUST GOT A TON OF PARKING TICKETS THAT THEY HADN'T PAID POTENTIALLY HAVE IT TOWED.
MAYBE CHANGE IT TO THAT RATHER THAN, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS WAS JUST MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A IT, UM, I HAD TO THINK ABOUT WHAT HE DO.
I DID SEE ONE SOMEWHERE RECENTLY.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE IT WAS.
JEOPARDY SHEPHERDSTOWN WEST VIRGINIA.
AND THAT MUST BE, IT MUST HAVE BEEN ONE.
UM, AND THEN 1 58 54, WHICH IS ON PAGE 1 58, 23 ASSESSMENT OF COSTS AGAINST OWNER OF THE VEHICLE TOWED OR STORED BY POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHEREAS A RECENT CURRENT, THE POLICE WATCH REQUEST.
SO THIS ENTIRE SECTION IS DATED.
MUCH OF, MUCH OF THIS IS GOVERNED BY THE SECTIONS OF 1 58, 54 THROUGH 69.
IT'S MANAGED BY THE JOINT TOW BOARD THAT WAS ENACTED A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK.
YEAH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A WHOLE SECTION ON THE TOE BOARD AND THEIR AUTHORITY, UH, THE TOWN, NOR THE TOE BOARD SETS FEES OR PRICING FOR TOW COMPANIES.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY DO HAVE THEIR OWN RECORD.
UM, AND WE DON'T GET INVOLVED IN, SO THAT WHOLE SECTION OF UNIFORM FINES AND COSTS FOR TRACKING TRAFFIC AND PARKING VIOLATIONS, WHICH IS 1 50, 8 53.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT NONE OF THAT'S ACCURATE ALL OF THE STUFF THAT REQUIRES, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THIS, THE CHARGES, THE, THE, WHAT, WHAT SHOULD BE CHARGED FOR TOWING? WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T GET INVOLVED IN ANY OF THAT AT ALL.
NO, THIS WAS LIKE PARKING IN A HANDICAPPED SPACE, PARKING ON THE SIDEWALK, INTERFERING WITH YOU THAT WAY.
AND THAT'S THAT'S YEAH, THAT PART IS DIFFERENT, BUT THE, THE TOWING AND STORAGE AND COSTS AND ALL THAT, WE DON'T STACK ANY OF, WE DON'T SET ANY OF THOSE, ANY OF THOSE COSTS, RATHER THAN THAT, NONE OF THAT IS ALL THE TOWN.
THAT'S CONTROLLING THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE 1 58 53, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU, CAUSE THAT THERE'S NOTHING YELLOW THERE.
AND THAT'S JUST, SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE NOT RIGHT.
I WAS JUST LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, FAILURE TO DISPLAY A TOWN AUTO STICKER IS ONE OF THE FINES IT'S ON PAGE 1 58 DASH 28.
WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT ANYMORE.
AND ALSO IT'S WAY IT'S 1 6, 1 2, NO, IT'S ON PAGE 1 58, 28.
I MEAN IT, YEAH, BOTH OF THOSE PAGES LIST SPACE.
I ACTUALLY FIND OUT LIKE, OKAY, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU PARKED HERE, PARKED THERE.
BUT IT WAS, UM, LIKE DOUBLE PARKING, PARKING UPON A BRIDGE, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
BUT, UM, THOSE ARE FINES AND COSTS THAT ARE ASSESSED, YOU KNOW, THE FAILURE DEPENDENT TO DISPLAY THE TOWN AUDIT STICKER NEEDS TO COME OFF.
THAT ONE THAT THE PARKING AND OPERATIVE VEHICLE OVER 10 DAYS, LIKE, I'M JUST SAYING, LIKE, THAT'S WHAT WE SPENT ALL THIS TIME TALKING ABOUT.
SO WE ALREADY HAVE THAT, THAT PART OF ITS OWN.
AND CAN I JUST ASK THE ONE FAILURE TO PARK, RIGHT.
AND THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED IT WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A TIME WHERE IN VIRGINIA DIDN'T LIKE REPASS THAT ONE.
AND SO THERE, THERE WAS A WHOLE YEAR WHERE PEOPLE WERE LIKE, OH, YOU CAN PARK ON THE LEFT SIDE.
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RIGHT NOW ON THERE AT ALL TIMES.I GET PHONE CALLS ABOUT IT THOUGH.
AND THOSE WERE THE, THOSE ARE THE BIG TICKET ITEMS THAT I CAN FIND.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S, THERE'S, IT WAS A BIG SECTION.
SO WHERE ARE WE GOING WITH THIS THEN? I MEAN, YOU WE'VE, OBVIOUSLY THE THING IS OUTDATED.
IS IT SOMETHING THAT, IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT? OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD, THAT YOU COULD LOOK AT WITH RECOMMENDATIONS? I MEAN, YOU, I MEAN, YOU KIND OF ALREADY DID ALL THAT IN THERE TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND SAY, WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? WELL, THIS ORIGINATED ABOUT YOU ALL TO US TO LOOK INTO HOW THIS ORDINANCE HAS BEEN APPLIED.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT, UM, ALLOW US TO DO THE TEXT AMENDMENT, UM, AND PROVIDE YOU ALL THE RECOMMENDATION BASED ON EVEN THIS DISCUSSION AND COME BACK AND THEN ADVERTISED FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN APPROVE WHAT GOD'S, UM, WE NEED IS THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE THE COUNCIL, THE AUTHORITY TO DO STUFF.
DO YOU WANT US TO GO AHEAD AND EITHER HAVE THE TOWN MANAGER, AND THEN THERE ARE SECTIONS IN THERE THAT ACHIEVE, OBVIOUSLY THOSE IT'S MORE OF A TRUE ENFORCEMENT AREA, OR DO YOU ALL WANT US TO LEAVE COUNCIL AS PART OF THE WHOLE STREAMLINED IN THIS STUFF? WHERE DO YOU ALL WANT IT? DO YOU WANT THE TOWN MANAGER? ARE THERE SOME THINGS THAT HAS COME BACK TO COUNSELING? THOSE ARE ONE OF THE KEY.
AND SOME PIECES OF THIS COME BACK TO ZONING AS WELL.
BUT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF OUR TEXT AMENDMENTS WE'RE DOING WITH SOME OF OUR ORDINANCES AND STUFF IS STREAMLINED IT WHERE THE TOWN MANAGER AS THAT AUTHORIZATION, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO YOU ALL.
I KNOW THAT THAT WAS WELL, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, I WILL, I HAVE IN THE PACKAGE TOGETHER, I'D HAVE TO READ IT TO YOU ALL.
I'D HAVE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO IT'S HOW DO YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT IT? I JUST MEAN LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT SAYS, IF THE TOWN MANAGER, LIKE, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT'S LIKE YET ANOTHER THING ON YOUR PLATE, THAT'S ALL I'M THINKING.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE ENOUGH TO DO FROM NINE TO FIVE THEN, WELL, LET'S MAKE A NINE, SIX AGAIN, IF ANYTHING WOULD COUNSEL, WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO REVIEW IT, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT STILL BE INVOLVED.
IT WOULD JUST BE ONLY WITH PRESENTED TO US ANYWAY.
SO YEAH, WE WOULD GIVE YOU OKAY.
WHEN WE DO ORDINANCE MOVING FORWARD, IT'S NOT NECESSARY BECAUSE STEVEN HICKS IS HERE.
IT'S WHOEVER THE TOWN MANAGER, SPEAKING OF THAT, WHEN YOU DO DO THAT, THEN, UM, ALL THE THINGS WHERE IT SAYS HIS DESIGNEE.
I KNOW I'VE MENTIONED THIS TO YOU BEFORE ABOUT, I THINK IT SHOULD BE THEIR DESIGNEE OR THE DESIGNATED.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WITHIN THIS PROCESS, YOU COULD JUST BUMP OUT ALL OF THOSE WHERE IT SAYS TOWN COUNCIL RESPONSIBILITIES, IT JUST TO LIKE, MAYBE YOU SHOOT IT OUT IN AN EMAIL OR SOMETHING, SO THEY CAN SEE THAT MORE CLEARLY GO THROUGH AND THEN REFERENCE BACK TO THIS.
BECAUSE I MEAN, AS THE CHIEF SAID, THIS IS A LOSS OR NOT HERE.
SO JUST UNDERSTANDING WHAT THOSE PARTICULARS ARE, AND THEN I'M SURE MOST OF THEM ARE, SORRY.
THIS IS THE QUESTION FOR CHIEF.
UM, THE QUESTION ABOUT, UM, INDIVIDUAL PORTION.
UM, I THINK WE WOULD WANT TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO STAY IN VEHICLES THAT ARE OUTFITTED STAYING IN VEHICLE, LIKE A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE AT SOME HOUSE.
SO THAT A VEHICLE THAT ISN'T MADE FOR SLEEPING, I THINK THAT INVOLVES SPECIFYING WHERE DIFFERENT VEHICLES CAN BE PART OF A COUPLE OF FACEBOOK GROUPS THAT ARE LIKE SUV AND CAR CAMPING, WHICH IS KIND OF LIKE LIVING IN YOUR CAR.
SO THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY RVS, BUT THERE ARE SOME PLACES LIKE A GANDER, GANDER MOUNTAIN AND PLACES LIKE THAT, WHERE YOU ARE ALLOWED TO PARTNER, YOU COULD CAMP.
BUT I THINK WE DID NEED SOMETHING THAT ADDRESSES OUR PUBLIC STREETS, FOR SURE.
I MEAN, UH, WELL THAT, THAT'S, I'M TRYING TO HIT ON THAT WHERE IF IT'S A RECREATIONAL THING OR THAT WE WANT TO CRAFT THE LANGUAGE PROPERLY.
A COUPLE IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEPARATE.
WHO'S LIKE CAR CAMPING VERSUS WHO'S LIVING THERE.
CAUSE YOU WOULD CARRY FIX SOME OF THE SAME KINDS OF YOU WOULD HAVE THINGS LIKE A COOLER, YOU MIGHT HAVE A SLEEPING BAG.
YOU MIGHT JUST HAVE SOME BLANKETS.
I THINK JUST SAYING NO, SLEEPING IN YOUR CAR OR THE PUBLIC STREET WOULD PROBABLY BE ADEQUATE
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YEAH.I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO ME.
NO LIVING THERE, BUT FLIPPING THEM ON SLEEPING IN YOUR CAR.
I MEAN, SOMEBODY MIGHT FALL ASLEEP IN THEIR CARS IN THE FRONT OR THEY WERE DRIVING.
I MEAN, IT GETS, IT GETS VERY TRICKY.
I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT OUR PURPOSE WOULD BE, RIGHT.
I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S JUST HOW THIS WOULD BE THE PLACE TO ADDRESS THAT THOUGH.
I MEAN RIGHT NOW, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING, DOUG, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY STATE CODE THAT PROHIBITS ONE FROM, UH, SLEEPING IN A CAR ON THE STREET.
UM, YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD KIND OF KICK, KICK THAT TO YOU TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY CONSTITUTIONAL ENFORCEMENT AS WE GO DOWN THAT ROUTE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO OFFER SOME OF SHELTER.
YOU'RE TRYING TO FIX ONE THING, BUT YOU'RE YEAH.
WHAT ELSE? SO WHERE ARE WE DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT IT OR PARK IT, SAY THIS, OKAY.
THERE'S OTHER VITALS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THAT.
I MEAN, IF WE, IF WE DON'T GO FOR IT, GO FOR IT.
BUT YOU HAD THE PROBLEM DESCRIBED TO US IN A PRETTY, THAT WAS ONE INCIDENT.
LET'S LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS AS A BIG PICTURE.
RIGHT? WE HAVE HOMELESS PEOPLE IN FRONT ROW.
SOME OF THEM ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE CARS TO LIVE IN THEIR CARS, BUT WE'RE ALSO HAVING CONVERSATIONS.
LIKE, I DON'T WANT THEM AT THE GAZEBO.
AND WE HAVE NO SOLUTION, RIGHT.
BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE SHELTER AND THAT'S IT.
SO WE KEEP TO SOME EXTENT TREATING PEOPLE, NOT AS PEOPLE, RIGHT.
WHEN YOU'RE SAYING, I DON'T WANT YOU HERE.
WE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HOMELESS POPULATION THAT WE HAVE, THEN WE HAVE THIS HOTELS, EVERYBODY COMPLAINS ABOUT, RIGHT.
AND THEN IF THERE'S NOT ROOM THERE, BUT THEY ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE A CAR.
WE HAVE ONE PARTICULAR PERSON WHO'S MAKING A NUISANCE OF HIMSELF.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE.
BUT THINKING ABOUT THE BROADER PICTURE IN A BIGGER PICTURE, I DON'T WANT TO SEE OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.
MAYBE THERE'S A PERSON THAT'S HARDWORKING AND THEY'RE JUST DOWN ON THEIR LUCK BEING TOLD TO MOVE.
AND THEY'RE JUST BASICALLY SPENDING ALL THEIR TIME, JUST MOVING AROUND ALL NIGHT OR NOT HAVING ANYWHERE TO GO.
UM, SO THAT'S MY CONCERN WITH THIS IS THAT IN THINKING MORE BIG PICTURE THAN JUST THIS ONE PERSON, AND HE COULD BE CITED FOR A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS THAT HE'S DOING MUCH LESS, THE BIG PICTURE, WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THIS MUNICIPAL CODE, GET IT CLEANED UP BECAUSE IT'S REALLY OUTDATED.
AND THEN I THINK WHEN WE GET THERE, WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
BUT FOR NOW I THINK THE BIG CENTRAL, WHAT STEPHEN'S TRYING TO DO FOR A LOT OF OUR CODES AND THINGS THAT ARE REALLY OUTDATED IS BRING THEM UP TO SPEED.
AND THEN WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE INDIVIDUAL ISSUES.
BUT I MEAN, I KNOW THE CONSIDERATION FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT SITUATION IS THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION ON THE STAFF SIDE AND THE CHIEF.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT SO MUCH ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE RIGHT.
SO WE NEED TO GO WITH THIS CODE AND GET THIS.
I MEAN, IT'S LIKE THE PLANK AND LET'S NOT FOCUS ON THIS BLUE DIRT, RIGHT? YEAH.
I SORT OF AGREE WITH SCOTT IN A WAY TOO, BECAUSE PARKING ON THE STREETS IS ONE THING.
I MEAN AT NIGHT THERE'S PARKING LOTS EVERYWHERE.
WALMART, MARTENS, PLACES LIKE THAT, THEY, BEFORE I WOULD, I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, PARKING ON PUBLIC STREETS, THOSE PARKING LOTS ARE SOME OF THEM LIKE MARTINS IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED.
SO THEY COULD VERY WELL COME AND SAY, YOU HAVE TO LEAVE.
IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE FOR 24 HOURS, 48 HOURS OR WHATEVER THEIR PARTICULAR ROLE, MY QUESTION IS, HOW DO OTHER JURISDICTIONS DO YOU DEAL WITH THIS? LIKE, IS THIS SOMETHING GOTTEN, THIS IS A COMMON ISSUE, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT TALKING FROM OTHER PLACES, DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES AND SMARTER LOCALITY WITHOUT BIG CODE, HELPING THEM OUT.
HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THAT? RIGHT.
AND I KNOW GEORGE WAS LOOKING INTO QUOTE, UNQUOTE VAGRANCY A LITTLE BIT.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES.
WE, WE DO RUN FOLKS OFF OF PRIVATE PROPERTY AT THE REQUEST OF THE OWNER BECAUSE IT'S TRESPASSING.
BUT THE PUBLIC SPACES, THE PUBLIC SPACES.
SO I THINK, UM, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'D HAVE THAT YOU HAVE TO DIG INTO TO DETERMINE CONSTITUTIONALITY OR BEING ABLE TO ACTUALLY
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DO SOMETHING ABOUT SOMEBODY SLEEPING IN THE CAR INDUSTRY UNLESS THE VEHICLE, OR THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING ABOLISHING THE LAW.WHICH INDICATES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S VIOLATION OF LAW.
THERE'S ANOTHER TICKET ON THAT CAR TODAY.
AND WHAT'S THE END RESULT IF YOU JUST KEEP PICKETING THAT CAR.
I MEAN, AT SOME POINT THAT AFTER, AFTER, AFTER ONE MORE, IT CAN BE REMOVED.
UM, AND LATER THIS WEEK, IF IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE CURRENT LAW, WE'RE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THAT PROBLEM.
I MEAN, IF IT, IF A PERSON HAD A COMPLETELY LEGAL VEHICLE, UH, THAT WAS UP TO ALL THE STATE AND LOCAL CHROMES, UM, THERE'S REALLY NOT.
WE KEEP SOMEBODY FROM SLEEPING IN IT ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, IN THE MOVIES.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS THAT ONE NIGHT THAT GUY HAS THE WRONG NAME.
HE'S GETTING A KNOCK ON THE DOOR
SO WE'RE GOING TO CLEAN UP THE PARK AND THEN PROBABLY HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AGAIN ABOUT WHAT WE DO ABOUT IT.
UH, CONTINUED DISCUSSION WITH SPECIAL EVENTS, PERMIT, POLICY PROCEDURES, JACQUELINE.
DO YOU MEAN AGAIN, UM, BACK IN JULY, YOU ALL MADE A MOTION, UH, TO DISCUSS IT.
AND, UH, SINCE THEN, UH, WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY.
IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER STAFF HELD WORK SESSIONS THAT WERE HELD, UH, WE ACTUALLY WERE ABLE TO HOLD ONE MORE.
UM, I'VE BEEN HERE ON AUGUST 10TH AND WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES BASED ON THAT COMMUNITY, UM, MEETING WITH, UH, WITH THOSE FOLKS.
AND WE KIND OF ILLUMINATED, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BULLET POINTS.
I CAN GO BULLET BY BULLET, BUT IT SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD AS TO WHAT WE'VE CHANGED AND, AND, AND DIVERSION, UM, YOU HAVE AS WELL, IT'S, IT'S HIGHLIGHTED AS WELL.
UM, BUT I DID WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD THAT SINCE JULY 26TH, ALL THE INPUT THAT WAS RECEIVED FROM JULY 26TH AND AUGUST 10TH HAS BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THIS DOCUMENT.
UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD WAS IN REGARDS TO THE MATRIX AND ACTUALLY THE MATRIX THAT WE HAVE THAT'S PART OF THE CURRENT VERSION WAS ACTUALLY SUGGESTED BY A COMMUNITY MEMBER.
UM, SO WE FELT THAT WAS, WAS A GOOD WAY TO KIND OF CLEAN THAT UP AND RESPOND TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I THINK FOLKS HAVE OUT THE MATRIX.
UM, AND IT, IT REALLY IS QUITE SIMPLIFIED, I THINK, FROM WHERE IT WAS, UH, PREVIOUSLY, UM, WHAT WE WERE REQUESTING, UM, IS FOR THE SPECIAL EVENT POLICY TO COME BACK ON THE 27TH AND, UH, FOR YOU ALL TO, IF YOU WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION OF APPROVING IT, MAKE IT EFFECTIVE NOVEMBER 1ST.
BUT WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.
MY ONE QUESTION IS I WASN'T AT THAT MEETING, UH, AT THE END OF THE MEETING, WHAT WAS THE PULSE TO POSITIVE FEELINGS? IS EVERYBODY MOSTLY HAPPY? SOMEWHAT HAPPY, NOT IN AUGUST.
AND THEN, YEAH, SINCE I RIGHT THE LAST THE COMMUNITY, YEAH.
PEOPLE SEEM PRETTY, PRETTY, OKAY.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN LISTENING TO IS THE FOLKS WHO'VE BEEN COMING IN AND EXPRESSING THEMSELVES ABOUT IT AND WHAT WE CAN GET INTO EMAILS AND SOCIAL MEDIA.
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THIS IS NOW, WHEN WE GO TO MOTION ON THIS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET SIX PEOPLE SHOWING UP TO SAY, WE DON'T LOVE THIS.
I CAN'T SAY AFTER WE HAD OUR WORK SESSION ON THE 10TH, WE SENT OUT THE REVISED VERSION ON THE 13TH AND ASKED FOR COMMENTS BACK ON THE 18TH.
AND WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING FROM THE GROUP THAT SHOWED UP.
IN FACT, THE MATRIX CAME FROM SOMEBODY ELSE.
UM, ALSO I WOULD HOPE, YEAH, WE'RE ALL ON OUR WAY.
I HAVE TO GIVE KUDOS TO RAKE NOVAK, WILLIE, MICKEY FOSTER, AND THE OTHERS THAT DID MEET WITH US.
UH, WASN'T PRESSED OUT, UH, RICK AND WILLIE, THEY, THEY DID KIND OF PULL THE GROUP TOGETHER.
WE HAD GREAT DISCUSSIONS AND I REALLY THINK IT WORKS FOR THOSE TWO, AS WELL AS NIKKI'S INPUT IN BRINGING THOSE COMMUNITIES.
SO I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THIS POLICY AND THEY PLAYED A MAJOR ROLE IN THE OUTCOME, LUMPS FAVORS.
IT'S THREE AT THE TOP, IT SAYS EVENTS SCORING BELOW 15 ARE CATEGORIZE.
THEN THE NEXT BULLET IS EVAN SCORING BETWEEN 16 AND 29 OR CATEGORIZE.
AND THEN IT SAYS EVENTS SCORING
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30, AND I'M JUST, SHOULDN'T IT BE SCORED IN 30 OR ABOVE OR CATEGORIZE THIS? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE THE OTHER ONES GIVE LIKE BELOW OR ABOVE OR BETWEEN 30 IS, IS I THINK THE MAXIMUM SCORE WAS IT.CAUSE YOU CAN GET A MAXIMUM OF FIVE POINTS ON EACH OF THOSE.
AND THEN UNDERNEATH OF THAT, IS THERE ANY EVENT TOWN MANAGER, UM, OR HIS DESIGNEE DETERMINED? I WOULD JUST DO, UM, THE OR DESIGNEE.
AND I ALSO TO SAY LIKE, THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE, LIKE, OR UNLESS THE TOWN MANAGER FINDS THE EXCEPTION, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S LIKE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
LIKE BASICALLY IT'S THIS, THIS, UNLESS THE TOWN MANAGER SAYS THAT.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S GIVING YOU QUITE A BIT OF A RESPONSIBILITY THERE AND THEN ONE OTHER THING, THE REFUNDABLE AND I ASKED THIS BEFORE AND IT'S OKAY.
BUT I'M JUST ASKING AGAIN, SO REFUNDABLE IF CANCELED WITHIN 24 TO 48 HOURS.
ESPECIALLY IF IT'S RE IF IT, THEY CANCEL IT BECAUSE IT RAINED OR SOMETHING ELSE OR WHATEVER, BUT TO ME A RESERVATION IS RESERVING SOMETHING.
SO THE MONEY IS TO RESERVE IT.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST, I'M JUST ASKING.
SO SOMEBODY RESERVES IT AND THEN DECIDES TO CANCEL IT.
THEY GET ALL THEIR MONEY BACK, WHICH SOUNDS VERY REASONABLE.
BUT I JUST, LIKE I'D SAID BEFORE, THEN THEY'VE RESERVED IT, THAT DATE, WHICH HAS PREVENTED ANYBODY ELSE FROM RESERVING THAT DATE.
AND IT'S NOT A MONEY MAKER, A TON OF REVENUE.
I GET THAT IN THAT CASE, I WOULD SAY IT'S FUNNY.
I DON'T WANT IT TO PREVENT OTHER PEOPLE FROM BEING ABLE TO RESERVE IT WAS MY, THAT WAS MY, I JUST, THAT WAS A QUESTION FOR ME.
UM, AND THEN PAGE FOUR AT THE TOP, IT SAYS, UM, PAGE FOUR SAID I DON'T EVEN EACH CIVIC ORGANIZATION HAS ALLOWED FOR PERMITS IN A CALENDAR YEAR.
AND THEN ON THAT SAME PAGE, IT SAYS UNLIMITED EVENTS ARE GRANTED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
AND THEN SOMEWHERE ELSE IT SAYS RECURRING EVENTS ARE NOT ALLOWED.
I JUST UNLIMITED EVENT OR THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT ANY LIMITS.
LIKE WE'RE NOT SAYING ONLY 20 DAYS OF THE YEAR.
I JUST WAS WONDERING IF THAT IT'S DONE.
IF EVERYBODY ELSE UNDERSTANDS THAT I JUST WANTED IT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CLARIFIED.
THAT, THAT, TO ME, THOSE SEEM LIKE THEY WERE, WHY NOT USE THE SAME LANGUAGE LANGUAGE FOR EACH OF THOSE? UM, BECAUSE UNDER TOURISM, WHEN YOU GET TO THE TOURISM ONE, IT SAYS THERE IS A MAXIMUM AMOUNT.
SO, UM, AND UH, OTHER THING UNDER CLOSURES, IT SAYS JOINING STREETS.
IS IT EVENTS SPECIFIC AS TO THE ADJOINING STREETS OR, UM, THAT SPECIFIC, I'M SORRY.
NO, I'VE BEEN SPECIFIC WHEN IT SAYS ABOUT, UM, UNDER THE CLOSURES FOR IT.
IT WAS WRITTEN IN SEVERAL PLACES, UM, ADJOINING STREETS THAT THERE WERE ALL OF THESE DO ON IT.
IT, I, ALL I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS, SHOULD WE SAY WHICH ADJOINING STREET OR IS IT EVENT SPECIFIC? SO LIKE IF IT'S THE GAZEBO PARKING LOT, MAYBE, UM, THE STREET CLOSEST TO THAT IS, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ALL LOOKED IT OVER AND THEY DIDN'T SEE ANY PROBLEM.
AND I'D SAY, I GUESS IT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
AND WAS THE TYPO ON PAGE SIX? I'LL FIND IT AND TELL YOU THAT IT WAS OKAY.
AND THE VERY FIRST UNDER CERTIFICATE, A LIABILITY INSURANCE REQUIREMENT SAYS ALL PUBLIC SPACE PROPERTIES RIGHT AWAY.
SO IT SAYS THERE'S CERTIFICATE OF LIABILITIES INSURANCE REQUIRED FOR ALL PERMITTED SPECIAL EVENTS HELD ON ANY PUBLIC SPACE PROPERTY.
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DON'T LET ME GO BACK.IT WAS SOMETHING THAT, YEAH, MAYBE THAT'S WHAT IT WAS ANYWAY.
IT'S REALLY LATE WHEN I WAS DOING IT, BUT SORRY, THAT WAS ALL.
SO THERE, THERE IS GOING TO BE MAKING A KIND OF LAST MINUTE SUGGESTION BASED ON SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT.
AND WE'LL BE DISCUSSING MORE ABOUT, UH, DURING THE LIAISON MEETING, BUT TOURISM, BUT IN AREAS WHERE IT DOES SAY TOURISM, PAGE FOUR AND ALSO THREE ADVISORS SAYS CATEGORIZE.
AS FAR AS IN THE SPECIAL EVENT OF TOURISM, WE PUT, UM, TOURISM, VISITOR SPECIAL EVENTS, UM, BECAUSE I THINK TWO DIFFERENT ONES ON HOW YOU LOOK AT WHAT A TOURISM VISITOR IS REALLY WON'T CHANGE THE OUTCOME.
BUT THE, THE, THE, THE NAME IS CRITICAL.
IT WAS WITH JURORS OR VISITOR WITH THAT SHARE MORE AT THE TIME COMES, THAT WILL BE CHANGED WHEREVER WE SAY TOURISM.
WE'LL ALSO SAY, WHAT ELSE PEOPLE SHOW UP IN RESERVATIONS.
KATHLEEN, DO YOU HEAR THAT? IF THEY, IF THEY SHOW UP, WE REPLYING TO THE RESERVE TO THESE, INSTEAD OF JUST KEEPING IT, I'M SORRY.
IF THE PERSON HOSTING THE EVENT SHOWS UP, THEN YOU REFUND THE PERMIT FEES.
UM, CAUSE THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT SCOTT WAS SAYING.
LIKE, SO, SO I PAY A HUNDRED DOLLARS RESERVATION FEE AND YOU KNOW, OUR GROUP SHOWS UP AND THINGS SUCCESSFULLY BACK.
AND SO, BUT IF WE USE, IF YOU DON'T SHOW UP, IF THINGS FALL APART IN THE LAST, LIKE 24, 48 HOURS, THEN HOW IT GETS TO KEEP THE RESERVATION.
I THINK WHILE THAT I THINK THERE'S CONSENSUS.
TALK, DISCUSS THAT WHOLE REASON.
WHY WE HAD THAT A HUNDRED DOLLARS RESERVATION FEE WAS TO COVER SOME OF THE COSTS INCURRED BY AN EVENT THAT WE EVEN WENT DOWN FROM LIKE BILLING, ALL THIS STUFF.
I REMEMBER THIS DISCUSSION ALL THE WAY DOWN TO A HUNDRED DOLLARS AS A REASONABLE DOLLAR AMOUNT TO ASK, OR IF THE CIRCUMSTANCE CAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT FEE FOR COMMUNITY EVENT, IT SAYS, I MEAN, THERE WAS A REASON WHY IT SAYS NON-REFUNDABLE AND THIS WENT THROUGH THAT WHOLE DISCUSSION AND THEY SAW THAT.
SO THAT'S REASONABLE INSTEAD IT WAS REASONABLE.
AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD OFFER IS TOO, IS WHEN, YOU KNOW, TOWN STAFF IS GETTING READY FOR AN EVENT, IT DOES, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE EVENT, IT DOES TAKE A LOT TO GET RID OF IT, YOU KNOW, TO GET READY FOR IT, TO, YOU KNOW, TO PLAN FOR IT AND TO MAKE SURE YOU'VE GOT THINGS STAFF.
SO I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, THROW THAT OUT THERE AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED DOLLARS IS A REASONABLE AMOUNT TO ASK, YOU KNOW, $50.
I THINK WE HAVE REASONABLE FEES RATHER THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, GIVING IT BACK AND SAYING, OKAY, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WE WANT TO BE SUPPORTIVE AND HAVE EVENTS, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE COSTS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT AS WELL.
I THINK THE EXAMPLE OF STEPHEN CAVE, WE HAD LIKE 500 SOMETHING DOG COST FOR ONE OF THESE EVENTS.
SO I MEAN, WE'RE ONLY TAKING UP A BIT OF THAT COST AND IT'S VERY, I THINK IT'S REASONABLE.
UM, JUST, JUST THE, HAVING THE PUBLIC WORKS GROUP, COME IN, PUT UP THE BALLARDS AND STUFF.
I KNOW THAT I KNOW LAST YEAR WHEN THEY WERE DOING THAT FOR THE WEEKEND STUFF, THEY DIDN'T COME ON THAT MONDAY BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE LABOR DAY TO TAKE THEM DOWN AND PEOPLE WERE FRUSTRATED, BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PAYING LIKE MASSIVE OVERTIME ON THE HOLIDAY.
SO IS THERE CONSENSUS TO A REFUND? RIGHT? WE CAN, WE CAN KEEP IT FOR A RE FUNDED.
UM, BUT THEY'RE RAPING AND SO FORTH.
AND I REMEMBER NOW THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE PUT IN THE BALLARD'S UP AND TAKING IT DOWN, HOW THEY, THE SHIFT THEIR SCHEDULE, SO TO AVOID THE OVERTIME NEXT, BUT YEAH, I COULD SEE IT BOTH WAYS.
AND IT'S, YOU'RE S YOU'RE SAYING THE PEOPLE THAT CAME IN GAVE INPUT AND WE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE MAILED OUT THIS VERSION ON THE 13TH, GAVE HIM UNTIL THE 18TH TO GIVE US FEEDBACK, NOT COME BACK WITH ANY, ANY COMMENTS.
ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO READ TOMORROW'S FAVORITE SHOT
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THE FEES, MAKE CERTAIN THINGS MORE EXPENSIVE AND THEN LIKE MESSAGE WHEN THEY WERE ASKED FOR INPUT.AND IT WENT OUT TO ME DIRECTLY, DOESN'T REALLY SERVE A PURPOSE.
IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY DEFRAY THE COSTS.
I SEE IT AS PART OF THE TOWN'S JOB TO JUST PREPARE FOR THESE THINGS.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GET PENALIZED, MAYBE WE CAN, IF THEY DON'T SHOW UP, THEN, THEN THEY SUFFER A FINANCIAL PENALTY.
WE DON'T WANT TO DO, I'M FINE WITH IT.
AS IS IN DISCUSSING FURTHER, WE HAD 52 EVENTS, A HUNDRED DOLLARS DOLLARS.
AND IF THOSE PEOPLE DIDN'T PUSH BACK OR, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT FEES.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DIDN'T.
I MEAN, WE PUSHED THIS BACK SO MANY TIMES THEY HAD PLENTY.
I MEAN, HOW MANY PUBLIC HEARINGS WE ENDED UP HAVING TWO OR THREE ON THIS AND THEN HAVE ANOTHER ONE.
WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING DE-LEGITIMIZED REACHING OUT THROUGH YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER.
AND
THIS IS MY POSITION FROM THE BEGINNING.
THERE HASN'T BEEN ANYTHING COMPELLING ABOUT THE FEES AT ALL.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A GOOD ARGUMENT FOR THE FEES.
I, I REMEMBER THE ARGUMENTS THAT WAS MADE.
SO I WAS IN FAVOR OF THE ORIGINAL HIGHER FEES BECAUSE I WANTED TO CUT SOME OF THE COSTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
AND THEN WE, WE COUNT, WE TALKED DOWN TO A LOWER FEE AND IT'S JUST IT'S YES, IT MAY NOT COVER ALL THE COSTS.
IT MAY NOT, BUT 52 EVENTS A YEAR AT A HUNDRED DOLLARS A FEE THAT IS HELP, THAT'S PUTTING IT INTO SOMETHING.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, GIVE ME 10 BUCKS IN THIS ROOM.
VERSUS, YOU KNOW, IF WE JUST HAVE NO FEE AND THERE'S NO NON-REFUNDABLE ASPECT TO IT, THERE'S NO COMMITMENT INVOLVED IN THAT.
PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION AND THEY PAY.
UM, SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THEY PUT DOWN A HUNDRED DOLLARS.
THEY'RE GOING TO THINK THROUGH THIS, THEY'RE GOING TO DO THIS.
IT'S GOING TO BE SETTING IN MOTION, SOMETHING WHERE THERE'S SOMETHING AT STAKE AND FOR OUR COMMUNITY EVENT, IT'S $50.
I MEAN, UM, SO THAT'S EVEN LESS RIGHT WITH, FOR LIKE A FIRE HALL OR SOMETHING.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT IT A HUNDRED DOLLARS, THREE $50.
UM, I'M SURE WE, WE COVERED THAT REVENUE FROM PEOPLE COMING DOWNTOWN.
I THINK IT DEPENDS BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DOWNTOWN
IT ALL IS, UM, HOW ARE WE TRACKING, UH, SALES, LIKE THE PREVIOUS MUSHROOM FESTIVAL NOW THE, UH, VESSEL LEADS, RIGHT? ARE WE COLLECTING ANY REVENUE BASED ON WHAT IS COMING THROUGH? ARE WE GETTING SALES TAX ON THAT? ARE WE GETTING, OR IS IT STATE TAXES THAT'S COMING BACK? WHERE ARE WE ACTUALLY ABLE TO TRACK WHAT REVENUE? AND THAT WAS THE QUESTION I ASKED STEVEN ORIGINALLY WAS WE HAVE THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE DO KNOW WE SPENT, HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE EVERYBODY IN THERE? LIKE, WHAT WERE YOUR SALES BETWEEN THE HOURS OF START AND, AND RIGHT.
AND THEN CALCULATE THE MEALS TAX ON THAT, RIGHT? OR THE OTHER TAXES TO COME UP WITH SOME VALUABLE SET OF DATA AND TO YOUR POINT VENDORS WHO COME DOWN, AREN'T PART OF OUR TAX RESONATING BENEFIT THE MONEY FROM THE VENDORS BOOTH BACK TO THE, UH, THE ORGANIZATION HOSTING THAT EVENT.
SO AGAIN, LIKE, UM, THE BIGGEST ARGUMENT I WOULD MAKE IS THAT PEOPLE, WHEN THEY PAY ATTENTION, THEY PAY OR THEY PAY ATTENTION.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE PUT THIS MONEY DOWN, IT MAY BE, IT'S JUST THAT ENOUGH TO ENSURE THAT THEY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S $50.
I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE THIS THING WORKS BECAUSE I FELT STRONGLY ENOUGH TO EMAIL LIKE COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, THAT THIS WAS TOO MUCH, THIS IS NOT GOING TO MAKE ME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S THE CASE AND MAYBE THEY'LL JUST ON A BETTER EVENT.
I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S, UH, THERE'S SOME INCENTIVE TO HAVING SOME KIND OF FEE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
WE DO INCUR COSTS AS A TOWN, WHICH IS A TAXPAYER COST.
IT'S NOT JUST THE TALENT PAYING THE TAX THERE'S THEMSELVES.
THERE'S ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T ATTEND THAT EVENT.
ALL THOSE OTHER PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T BENEFIT FROM THAT, UH, FOR THAT COMMUNITY THAT MAYBE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, WHATEVER THEY'RE PAYING FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COSTS FOR THAT TO
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HAPPEN.I THINK IT'S, THAT'S MY, THAT'S ALL, IT IS THE OTHER TWO OTHER OTHER, I KNOW WHEN THEY WERE DOING ALL THIS RESEARCH, LEADING UP TO IT ABOUT FEES AND STUFF.
I KNEW AT SOME 0.1 OF THESE DISCUSSIONS, UM, ALYSSA CHAIR, LIKE ASKING A HUNDRED PLACES, OR KATHLEEN HAD OUR FEES IN LINE WITH OTHER PLACES TO, YOU KNOW, FOR EVENTS FAIRLY REASONABLE.
I MEAN, I DIDN'T DO A, I DIDN'T CHECK PER SE, BUT THEY ARE VERY REASONABLE, I THINK ARE WELL WITHIN THE REALM OF, OKAY.
I JUST WAS CURIOUS WHAT OTHER PLACES DO.
Y'ALL WANT TO KEEP IT ON USUALLY.
UH, I'M OKAY WITH KEEPING ME ONLY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO JINX THIS THING FOR YOU OVER HERE.
UH, I WANT TO GET THROUGH THIS AND THAT THEY WERE HAPPY WITH IT.
AND THE PEOPLE IN THE FOLKS THAT CAME OUT, HE WAS POSSIBLY EMAILS.
THEN, YOU KNOW, AS LITTLE AS WE CAN TOUCH THIS FROM THIS POINT ON, I WOULD SAY, LET'S NOT DO ANYTHING TO JINX IT AND JUST MOVE FORWARD AS NOVEMBER 1ST.
I MEAN, I DIDN'T EVEN START IT UNTIL NOVEMBER 1ST.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO FALL.
I DON'T SEE THE PURPOSE IN IT MYSELF.
I SAID, I FEEL THAT THE TAX REVENUE THAT WE BRING IN FORWARD SURE.
BUT AGAIN, MAJORITY RULE SHE'S THE COLLABORATOR.
I MEAN, I, I, I'M JUST GRATEFUL, GRATEFUL THAT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME TO WORK AND AUGUST 10TH, BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT, I MEAN,
YOU WANT TO BRING IT UP OR ARE YOU WORRIED THAT THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED, UM, AT A DIFFERENT TIME? UM, WELL, I GUESS WE, WE COULD GO AHEAD AND DISCUSS IT.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN, UM, THERE WAS A PART ABOUT HOW WE GO OR LET'S GO TO ALSO TALKED ABOUT IT SO SESSION, BUT I THINK, UM, I THINK WE'VE RECEIVED CONCERNS AND COMPLAINTS ABOUT HOW, UM, SOMETIMES HOW WE GO ABOUT, UH, WHAT WE CAN OR CAN'T DO WITH SOME OF OUR COMMON SPACE PAVILIONS.
SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE GOING ON, UH, I'VE PERSONALLY TALKED TO MERCHANTS, THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT DOWNTOWN, UH, JUST, UH, NORMAL DAY TO DAY ACTIVITIES.
AND, AND WE'VE HAD RECENT CONCERNS ABOUT THE BATHROOM AND, AND OTHER STUFF.
AND SO, UM, THROUGH THE DISCUSSION, UH, I KNOW THAT THAT COUNCIL HAS SHARED SOME ISSUES, PARTICULAR WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND I THINK, UM, THERE'S BEEN A PART OF KIND OF REVISITING, DO WE NEED MORE OF A COMMUNITY POLICE TYPE OF EFFORT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND OTHER AREAS WHERE OFFICERS ARE ON THEIR BIKES OR A OFFICER, UH, POTENTIALLY THEY'D BE HOUSED AT THE TOURISM BUILDINGS AND GIVE MORE EXPOSURE OF DOWNTOWN PRESENCE.
AND SO, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT, UH, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT AND CONSIDERING, AND I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO COUNCILS THEIR THOUGHTS ON, SHOULD WE HAVE MORE PRESENCE DOWNTOWN? IS THIS LESS ABOUT LIKE COMMUNITY POLICING AS A CONCEPT AND MORE ABOUT HOW HAVE YOU SEEN THE COMMUNITY AREAS? WELL, AT LEAST IN MORE OF THE TOWN TOWN, DOWNTOWN AREA ONLY, I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH DOWN THERE CAUSE I GO DOWNTOWN.
OF COURSE THEN I SEE THE TROLLS.
I THINK THAT'S PRETTY ADEQUATE.
I MEAN, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE CLEANING THE BATHROOMS, LIKE GOING IN AND OUT OF ACTIVITY? WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS LIKE, UH, EVEN DURING THE DAY, JUST HAVING AN OFFICER DOWNTOWN WHEN A SPIKE OR, OR, YOU KNOW, WALKING THE STREETS, UM, AND USING THE VISITOR CENTER AS LIKE A LITTLE SUBSTATION, UM, NIGHT, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE DAYTIME THAT PROMPT LIKE AN OFFICER PATROLLING.
WELL, I THINK IT WOULD GIVE THE, I MEAN, WE SHOWED THE PROPERTY OWNERS, THE STORES DOWN THERE THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, POLICE IN THE AREA ALL THE TIME, BUT NOT ONLY THAT AT NIGHT, I MEAN, I'LL GO FOR A WALK SOMETIMES.
I'M NOT ONLY FAR FROM THERE AND I'LL WALK THROUGH THERE AND THERE'S PEOPLE IN PAVILION, 12, ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING ALL THE TIME AND THEY'RE ALL AROUND THROUGH THERE.
UM, BUT I THINK IT WOULD, IT WOULD, IT ALL JUST TO HAVE A POLICE PRESENCE DOWN THERE MORE OFTEN THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, PATROL RIDING THROUGH THERE MAYBE ONCE AN HOUR OR ONCE EVERY TWO, THREE HOURS, YOU KNOW,
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BUT NOT JUST AT NIGHT, BUT THROUGH THE DAY.I MEAN, IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN DO IT, WE CAN FIND A BUDGET TO DO IT.
WE'LL WORK WITH THE CHIEF AND, AND COME BACK.
I THINK THAT HE'S, HE'S ALSO PROVIDED SOME OTHER OPTIONS OF, OF HOW WE CAN GO ABOUT MAKING MORE, UM, PHYSICAL PRESENCE WITH DOWNTOWN STU.
I DO KNOW, UM, THERE'S BEEN SOME RECENT CONCERNS WITH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A BREAK THAT WAS THROWN, THROWN THROUGH A WINDOW AT THE TOURISM.
I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL KNOW THAT AT THE MILL CORRECTLY.
UM, AND THEN THAT'S WHAT ALSO STIMULATED, UH, SOME INFORMATION, UH, OF WHAT OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE TOO.
BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THAT'S AN ISOLATED INCIDENT.
I KNOW THE CHIEF WAS THERE INVESTIGATING, LOOKING INTO THE INVESTIGATION.
I WAS DOWN ON MAIN STREET AND I WAS 32 POLICE OFFICERS WALKING UP AND DOWN MAIN STREET THEN JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE AS A PRESENCE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I, ALL I WAS GOING TO THROW OUT THERE IS, THIS IS LIKE, IF WE DO THAT, THEN, YOU KNOW, COULD THAT SAME PERSON, LIKE NOT NECESSARILY BE THERE ALL THE TIME, BUT THEN LIKE TAKE A TURN AND GOING UP BY THE RURAL PLAZA OR, I MEAN, BECAUSE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEIR MAIN STREETS, NOT THE ONLY BUSINESSES, THE PROPERTY, I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
THERE IS LIKE DUIS AND, AND WHAT, NO.
I MEAN, WE W WE WORK WITH THE, UH, BOTH OF THE SHOPPING CENTERS, THE OFFICERS GO IN THERE AND WE'VE GOT LIAISON OFFICERS THAT GO IN AND TALK BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T, THEY HAVE A LOT OF TRESPASSING ISSUES, EVEN THOUGH CLEAR THE LOTS FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE HANGING OUT THERE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU RUN INTO SOME PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW, LITTERING WHEN PEOPLE DRINK IT SOMETIMES.
AND SO WE DO LIAISON WITH THE SHOPPING CENTERS AND, AND, UH, THE OFFICERS HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH IT PLACES A WEEK, CLEAR FOLKS OFF A LOT, OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
KEITH AND I WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK INTO IT.
I'VE BEEN MOST INTERESTED IN, UM, THAT PERSON, IF IT'S A NEW PERSON, RIGHT.
UNDERSTANDING THE DIFFERENT POPULATIONS THAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT DOWN THERE AT THE PAVILION, THERE'S A COUPLE OF DAYS DURING THE WEEK WHERE THERE'S TWO LADIES THAT COME DOWN AND THEY COME DOWN, THEY BRING FOOD.
IF THERE IS A HOMELESS POPULATION I KNOW THROUGH WHEN THEY'RE ABLE TO GET TWO MEALS FOR THE DAY OR WHATEVER, WHICH IS NICE.
SO THAT OFFICER COULD GET TO KNOW THOSE PEOPLE AS WELL.
I KNOW, BUT LIKE FOR SOMEBODY NEW, NOT PRETTY GUYS WHO WERE ALREADY THERE, I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS KNOW THOSE PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THOSE.
I WOULD JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WEREN'T UNNECESSARILY CORRECT.
IF THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING RIGHT.
BUT SITTING THERE EATING AND GETTING LAWFUL THINGS, SOME OF THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THAT PERSON, UH, IF WE GOT A SPECIFIC POSITION FOR THAT, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD KIND OF BE THE COORDINATOR, HER, SOME OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT ALL OF US ARE DOING COMMUNITY POLICING, LIKE, UH, COUNCILMAN BADDEN SAYS AS A CONCEPT, NOT JUST THE POSITION, BUT THE POSITION IS NICE TO HAVE, TO BE ABLE TO FOCUS THOSE EFFORTS AND KIND OF COLLATE ALL THE DATA, BUT WE GET COORDINATED RESPONSE.
THE OTHER OPEN DISCUSSION, UH, I WANT TO BRING UP IS THE, UH, UH, CHRIS HOLLOWAY CONSTRUCTION, INC.
UM, THE, THE TOWN HOMES THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED ON PARKER STREET.
HE, HE, UH, WE WILL BE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 27TH.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT, THIS IS A STAFF DRIVEN, UH, DRIVEN PROCESS BECAUSE WHEN WE VACATED THE PROPERTY COUNCIL, DID THEY APPROVED THE PROPERTY? UH, THE, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR AT THE TIME LOOKED AT TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN GO ABOUT ONCE HE RECORDED THE PLAT TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND AS A RESULT, WE LOOKED AT THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR US TO HAVE A PRIVATE STREET.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE ALSO ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE A 40 FOOT RIGHTAWAY STREET, BUT BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE, UM, BOOK PRINT OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF INFILL DEVELOPMENT, THE PRIVATE STREET IS THE ONLY POSSIBLE FEASIBLE WAY FOR US TO START DEVELOPING BILL PROPERTY, TO GET IT ON OUR TAX BASE.
SO THROUGH THE PROCESS, UM, AND, AND OUR NEW PLANNING DIRECTOR ALSO IDENTIFIED THE ZONING ORDERS KIND OF CONTRADICTS WHAT THE SUBDIVISION WARDEN SAID.
SO WHILE WE APPROVE THE ACTUAL PLAN AT THE TIME, WE NEED TO KINDA HOUSEKEEPING, CORRECT THE ACTUAL, UH, PLAN THAT REFLECTS WHAT THE ZONING ORDERS DOES.
BUT IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO SHARE, UH, ABOUT WHAT, WHAT WE NEED TO DO? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, BECAUSE THIS IS A, THIS IS DRIVEN BY STAFF.
WE ALSO TOWN ATTORNEY COULD ABOUT IT, BUT, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, STAFF,
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UH, AS PART OF, UH, UH, CLEANING UP THE PERMIT PROCESS.UM, SO IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SHARE WITH DOUG IF YOU DON'T MIND? YEAH, SO RIGHT NOW, UH, GOING THROUGH THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION PROCESS AND, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION HAS HELD A WORK SESSION ON IT.
THEY WILL BE HOLDING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON IT THIS WEDNESDAY.
UM, AND THEN THEY WILL BE FORWARDING THEIR DETERMINATION ON TO YOU GUYS.
UM, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, HE'S GOT A 20 FOOT LIE.
HE'S GOT A PROPOSED 20 FOOT WIDE, UH, PRIVATE ACCESS ROAD FOR THESE DEPOSITS.
UM, BUT THE PLAT WAS, UH, RECORDED PRIOR TO SPECIAL EXCEPTION BEING WRITTEN.
SO, UM, AT THIS POINT, EVERYTHING, THE PLASTICITY VACATED ON HOLD UNTIL WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HERE, YOU GUYS HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ME.
SO THIS IS IN RELATIONSHIP TO WHAT WE APPROVED BACK IN OH EIGHT, RIGHT.
ALSO, THERE ARE, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UM, AND SO THAT THE ORIGINAL CARTER STREET WAS VACATED.
I THINK THE LOTS WERE CONSOLIDATED FROM FIVE INTO ONE AND THEN RE SUBDIVIDED BACK OUT IN TWO, SIX SLOTS.
THE CODE REQUIRES ALL LOT TO HAVE FRONTAGE ON THE RIGHT OF WAY.
WELL, AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE'VE GOT LOTS THAT DON'T HAVE FRONTAGE ON A RIGHT OF WAY.
THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION GRANTS HIM, THAT FRONTAGE THAT HE DID.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE HOLDING PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THEN YOU GUYS WILL BE MAKING THE DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO PREVENT IT.
SO THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS A PERMIT TO ALLOW THE CREATION OF A PRIVATE FIRM.
AND THAT WAS THE INTENT, THE WHOLE LONG, EVEN WHEN WE SOLD THE PROPERTY, REMEMBER WE HAD TO POST SESSION ALL AGREED ON THE APPRAISED VALUE WITH THE ROAD GOING THROUGH, AND WE HAVE OTHER, WHEN WAS THE NEXT ACTION, AN APRIL COUNCIL SUPPORTED.
AND SO AT THAT POINT, WE WENT AHEAD AND SIGN OFF THE PLANT THAT HE RECORDED BASED ON THOSE MEETINGS.
SO THIS IS REALLY JUST HOUSEKEEPING.
NOW, WHAT, WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION'S CONCERN IS, AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THEY FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD BE A 40 FOOT WIDE, UH, UH, 40 FOOT RAILWAY STREET, BUT IT'S JUST NOT PRACTICAL IN THEIR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, ALLOWS COUNCIL TO DO SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS FOR AREAS THAT THE FOOTPRINT IS SMALL, WHERE THERE'S INFILL DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S REALLY JUST A FORMALITY.
I SHOULD ALSO SAY WE'RE THERE.
I THINK WHAT THEY'RE LEANING TOWARDS IS THAT THEY WILL NOT BE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
THEY DO WANTS TO THE PUBLIC WITH THE 40 FOOT WIDE RIGHT OF WAY.
HE CANNOT GET THAT, UM, SETBACKS WITH A 40 FOOT BRAKE RIGHT AWAY.
UM, THEY, THEIR RATIONALE IS THAT IF THE STREET, WHATEVER, TO BE ACCEPTED AS PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, IT SHOULD BE BUILT WITH PUBLIC STATEMENTS.
UM, SO YOU GUYS CAN, THAT'LL BE UP TO YOU WHETHER OR NOT YOU DO WE HAVE OTHER PRIVATE STREETS IN THE TOWN.
I MEAN, LIKE I KNOW AT THE END OF MY STREET, WE THERE, SO, OH, SO THIS IS ALSO ANOTHER AREA WHERE IT GOES COGNITIVE, BECAUSE IT DOES NOT GIVE ME A WIDTH REQUIREMENT TO BASE ANYTHING OFF OF, FOR A NEW PRIVATE, SORRY, NEW SUBDIVISION ON A PROJECT STREET.
SO IF IT WERE ANY EXISTING, ANYONE TO COME IN AND DO SOME DIVISION WOULD HAVE TO BE A 40 FOOT WIDE ROAD, AT LEAST.
BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, I HAD NO STANDARDS FOR THE PROGRESS.
SO THAT'LL, THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS.
I REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE DOING THE FRONT ROYAL LIMITED PARTNERSHIP, UM, SO DIVISION FLATS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, HE WANTED AN EXCEPTION TO HIS ROADWAYS BECAUSE HE HAD PLANNED A DIFFERENT WAY TO DO IT.
WELL, HE WANTED AN EXCEPTION DOWN TO 30 FOOT AND COUNCIL WOULDN'T PROVE THAT AT THE TIME.
SO JUST HISTORICAL, RIGHT? WE DO.
I MEAN, WE WILL, WE'VE GOT TWO PRIVATE ACCESSORY, SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE GOING BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION THIS WEEK.
SO THAT AS I PUT IT, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE EVER UP JONES, 13 YEARS PROCESS COME ACROSS, HAD THE CAR OUT THE ROAD.
BUT I, BUT I, I THINK I KNOW THEY SAID, I ONLY SAY IT BECAUSE I HAVE ONE IN THE MIAMI STREET, THAT'S A PRIVATE RAILROAD.
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WHAT, SO THAT MEANS IT DOESN'T BELONG TO THEM.THE CAT DOES NOT WALK TO THE TOWN.
SO THE PEOPLE IN THE SUBDIVISION WILL NOT HAVE TRASH FOR LIVE BY THE TOWN.
UM, WE WILL NOT BE DOING SNOW REMOVAL, RIGHT.
THEY'RE NOT INCURRING SOME OF THE BENEFITS THAT COME WITH LIVING ON PUBLIC STREET.
I'LL PROVIDE, THEY MAKE THEIR OWN TRASH AND PROVIDE FOR THEIR OWN SNOW REMOVAL.
DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO TOWN, WATER TOWN.
THE OTHER ISSUE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, 20 FOOT WIDE PRIVATE TREE IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS.
SO THAT WILL BE INCLUDED ONTO THE FUNDING IS TO BE ABLE US FLOOD DRAINAGE OR TYPOGRAPHY ISSUES.
BUT FOR A LOT OF LIMITED PARTNERSHIP WAS THAT THEY SAID THEY WOULD HAVE PACKING PARKING IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AND THERE'D BE NO CARS ALLOWED ON THE STREETS.
THAT WAS ONE OF THESE ARGUMENTS HE WAS MAKING.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE THAT ALL PANNED OUT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES ISSUES.
SO IF YOU HAVE A SMALLER WIDTH STREET WITH PEOPLE PARKING ON THE STREET, THAT PRETTY MUCH MAKES IT SO THAT PURCHASE VEHICLES CAN'T GET IN AND OUT, BUT HIS ANSWER WAS, IT WAS TO, IT WAS TO HAVE PARKING BEHIND AND THEN NO PARKING ALLOWED.
SO THEN THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT I JUST GIVE YOU SOME, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'VE DISCUSSED AT ALL.
I KNOW DOUG WAS INVOLVED IN THAT.
THE WAS ABOUT THE TIME WE'RE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S SLOWLY TRAVEL AS THOUGH
UM, ONE THING I WANTED TO ADD THE TOWN HAS A 35 FOOT WIDE TILDA USE MINT THAT OVERRUNS OVER TOP OF THE 20 FOOT PRIVATE STREET.
I KNOW THAT'S WHERE THE WATER AND SEWER EXISTING WORKS OR ALLIANCE RUN.
AND THAT RUNS THE ENTIRE FRONT END OF THE 20, INCLUDING THE 25TH PRIVATE STREET.
AND IT'S KIND OF VARIABLE WITH, BECAUSE THE POLICY EXISTING UTILITY LINES, BUT IT'S AROUND 35 FEET WIDE.
SO THAT JUST GIVES YOU A 35 FOOT, ROUGHLY 35 VARIABLE WITH AROUND 35.
SO THE, SO THE, THE 20 FOOT WIDE STREET, BECAUSE THE LOTS ARE EXISTING SINCE 1981.
SO THERE, YOU KNOW, GREATER THAN AN ISSUE FOR SET BACKS FOR A REASONABLY SIZED TOWNHOUSE.
SO WHAT THE 20 FOOT STRIP ROBIN STREET, THE SETBACK ALLOWS FOR, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A 40 FOOT FRONT SETBACK OR TOWNHOUSES AS OPPOSED TO 30, 30, 35.
UM, WELL, SO WHEN WE GO BACK AGAIN, I EMPHASIZE WHEN WE DO OUR ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
AND I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE'RE ALWAYS DEALING WITH THIS ISSUE AND I'M SURPRISING IN SOME, UH, CASES OR DEVELOPMENTS DIDN'T COME AND PRO COUNCIL TO, TO STRAIGHTEN IT UP, BUT SO IMPORTANT THAT WE GET IT ALL TOGETHER.
I MEAN, TO THE POINT WHERE, UM, IT IS CREATED TO BE VERY DIFFICULT, NOT ONLY FOR US TO BE A BUSINESS FRIENDLY COMMUNITY, BUT JUST FOR ANYONE TO UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT YOU CAN OR CAN'T VISIT.
AND SO, UH, THIS IS JUST A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHERE, UH, A STRAIGHTEN UP OF NOT ONLY THIS, BUT JUST THE WHOLE SUBDIVISION ZONING IS SO IMPORTANT.
UM, BUT THIS IS MORE FORMALITY, UM, FORMALITY OR ANY, ANY OTHER PERSON.
MY QUESTION IS JUST, I WANT TO, I'M NOT SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND PROBLEMS, BUT IF I CAN PUT IT IN ANOTHER TERM THAT WOULD HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT WE APPROVED THE PLAN THAT DOESN'T CONFORM WITH STATE CODE THAT BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENED ZONING OR YEAH.
SO HERE YOU HAVE HARDER STRAIGHT, RIGHT? AND THIS IS THE UNIMPROVED PORTION IN HERE.
ALL RIGHT, HERE, WE NOW HAVE SIX, LOTS HARDER STREET HAS BEEN VACATED.
SO THIS LINE IS PREVIOUS CARTER STREET.
NOW THIS LINE REPRESENTS THE BOUNDARY OF THE 20 FOOT, THE PROPOSED 20 FOOT RIGHT AWAY, THE ISSUE HERE.
RIGHT? SO THE ISSUE HERE IS THAT
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THIS WAS RECORDED PRIOR TO THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO CREATE THIS ROAD WAS APPROVED.SO IN ESSENCE, THESE THREE LOTS HERE DON'T HAVE LEGAL FRONTAGE.
SO THEY ARE TECHNICALLY NOT LEGAL LOSS, RIGHT? SO THIS PLOT HERE HAS FRONTAGE ON CARVER STREET FEEDS TO SIMPLY HAVE FRONTAGE ON SCOTT STREET IN YOUR LANDLOCKED.
SO WITHOUT THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
UM, WE HAVE PULLED THE ZONING PERMITS, BUILDING PERMITS ARE ON HOLD, BECAUSE ANYTHING ISSUED IN AIR IS NOT VALID.
UM, SO OUR OFFICE IS CORRECTING THAT.
AND SO ONCE, WELL, IF YOU GUYS CHOOSE TO APPROVE THIS, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT THERE IS WORKING WITH DOUG, THEY TAKE THE PLAT SO THAT WE CAN CORRECT ANY ISSUES.
AND THEN WHEN WE GO TO PUBLIC HEARING, THERE WILL BE MAKING, THEY WILL BE MAKING A DETERMINATION ON A PROPOSED POLK RIGHT AWAY, INSTEAD OF A RIGHT AWAY THAT EXISTS POTENTIALLY AN ERROR.
SO WE, I KIND OF, I'M GOING TO ASK THIS QUESTION.
SO HOW DID WE NOT PICK UP ON THIS BEFORE? I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF WHAT MY QUESTION IS THAT IF WE
AND THEN, AND NOW WE ARE SAYING THAT THERE'S OR PLANNING COMMISSION IS ASKING ABOUT 40 FOOT STREET THAT'S IS THAT THE ONLY PART OF THIS? THAT THEY'RE? WELL, THEY'RE, I MEAN, THEY'RE, I GUESS MAIN ISSUE IS THAT THE FLAT WAS RECORDED PRIOR TO SHE'D BEEN IN OUR ORDINANCE.
UM, AND WHAT IS IT? 1 45, 8, 20 LAYS OUT THE REQUIREMENTS OR A PRIVATE ACCESS ROAD.
IT HAS TO HAVE AN APPROVED, SPECIAL EXCEPTION THAT HAS HAD GONE THROUGH TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS, PLANNING, COMMISSION AND TOWN COUNCIL PRIOR TO BEING RECORDED.
GOSH, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THIS GOT CONVOLUTED AND FLIPPED AROUND.
SO THINGS WERE DONE OUT OF ORDER.
AND NOW WE'RE, WE'VE PUT EVERYTHING ON HOLD SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF LET EVERYTHING CATCH UP.
THE PROCESS IS CATCHING UP TO THE PERMITS THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED.
SO THE PRIVATE EQUITY, WELL, WE HAD, UH, THE BAR I'M NOT TRYING TO THROW, BUT OUR FORMER PLANNING DIRECTOR INTERPRET THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, ALLOW US TO NOT HAVE TO GO TO PC AND, AND COUNSELING.
AND SO WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS, ONCE THEY NOTICED THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A PRIVATE STREET NAME, THEN THEY IDENTIFIED THAT THE PLANT DIDN'T HAVE A SPECIAL ED EXCEPTION, THE PERMIT NUMBER, THEN THEY REVISIT IT AND IT CONTRADICT WHAT THE ZONING BOARD IT SAID, YEAH, CAN I, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M TRYING TO PUT MYSELF IN THE MAYOR SHOES HERE AND HE'S GOT ALL THIS MONEY INVESTED IN THIS THING NOW.
AND WE DROPPED THE BALL BIG THAT.
AND SO THE PRIVATE STREET, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY IMPACTS TWO LOTS.
IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD? I'M SURE YOU
HOW MANY TOWNHOUSES IS THAT? SIX TO SEVEN.
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL SUBDIVISION HERE.
PARTY STREET, THESE FOUR LOCKS, RIGHT? HERE'S WHAT WAS CREATED.
SO THIS IS THE 20 FOOT WIDE RIGHT-OF-WAY BOUNDARY LINE.
AND IT CREATES THESE SIX LOCKS.
THIS IS HOW THIS PARCEL IS ACCESS TO FRONT SCOTT STREET.
RIGHT? THAT'S HOW THESE ARE LANDLOCKED.
AND WE'LL ACTUALLY BE LOOKING FOR THE DRIVEWAY 20 FEET.
I MET WITH, UH, TIM WILSON, STEPHEN HICKS.
WE HAD A MEETING ABOUT IT BEFORE I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WAS GOING TO FLY.
AND THEN WILSON, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE ALL THIS OTHER STUFF WHERE THE PRIVATE STREET WAS ALLOWED BY THE STREETS, 20 FOOT WIDE.
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JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS, LIKE IN THE LAST WEEK.AND SO IN THE MIDDLE OF, YOU KNOW, DOING VOTERS AND EVERYTHING, SO, OH, I KNOW I HAD WENT DOWN AND FILLED OUT THE THING FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO RENAME THE RIGHT, TO REMAIN THE STREET AND THAT'S ALL.
AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, THIS, WELL, MY SECOND DAY WE'RE SITTING THERE LOOKING AT THEM AND I'M LOOKING AT THE CODE AND THEN IT'S LIKE, HOLD ON.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT HE WILL ALSO NEED THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO GRANT A STREET NAME BECAUSE PART OF THE CODE, UM, ANYTIME YOU VACATE A PORTION OF A STREET, NOT THE ENTIRE STREET.
SO THIS LITTLE PORTION OF HARDER STREET STILL EXISTS.
YET THE CODE STATES THAT ANY NEW STREET WOULD KEEP THIS NAME.
SO THAT REQUIRES A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR YOU GUYS ALSO TO GRANT A NEW NAME.
AND YOU'RE SAYING, SO YOU MIGHT GO KEEP THE NAME AND I WANT TO CHANGE THE NAME
AND THAT'S ALL WE HAD CAUSE YOUR STREETS.
AND SO I CAN'T, SO IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T EXIST BECAUSE I WAS TOLD I HAD TO DO THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
SO ALL OF THESE PLACES ARE GOING TO HAVE OFF STREET PARKING.
SO ARE YOU GOING TO SAY NO PARKING ON THE STREET, IN WHICH CASE IT ALLOWS PLENTY OF SPACE FOR, YEAH.
IF I CAN PUT THE SIGN UP THERE, IT SAYS NO, PARKING THE STREET.
I MEAN, I'VE BEEN IN HAYMARKET WHERE YOU CAN'T PARK ANYWHERE, BUT THE DRIVEWAY, AND THEN YOU'RE GETTING AT THE PARK, LIKE A BLOCK AND GET SHUTTLED IN.
IT'S KIND OF GOING TO BE KIND OF HARD.
SO, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT EVERYTHING WAS ONLY UP AND UP AND EVERYTHING ON UNTIL I WANTED TO CHANGE THE NAME OF THE STREET AND THIS CAME UP, SO THE PROCESS NEEDS TO CALL IT, YOU CALLED IT A SUBDIVISION.
RIGHT? YOU SAID IT'S A SUBDIVISION.
AND SO, SO IS THE DONING GOTTA GO BY SUBDIVISION RULES OR PRIVATE STREET RULES? OR IS THAT WHERE THE PROBLEM IS? DOES THAT ADDRESS IT THEN OUR CODE OR SONY ORDINANCE HAS REQUIREMENTS, BUT FOR EACH LOT, LIKE THERE MIGHT BE, UM, THEIR REQUIREMENTS, BOTH SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND THERE'S A MORNING.
SO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IS GOING TO TELL ME HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED FOR A CERTAIN USE ZONING ORDINANCE.
IT'S GOING TO TELL ME WHETHER OR NOT THAT I WRITE FIVE SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
AND IT'LL GIVE THE ZONING ORDINANCE PORTION OF GIFTS, YOU KNOW, SETBACKS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WHEREAS THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IS MORE ABOUT LIKE, THESE ARE THE STANDARDS THAT EACH OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS NEEDS TO ADHERE TO.
SO CURB AND GUTTER ROAD WITH, UM, YEAH.
I JUST, I JUST, IT CONCERNS ME THAT IF IT HAPPENS THIS TIME, YOU KNOW, JUST OKAY.
CAUSE I WAS GOING TO SAY, I MEAN, JUST ABSOLUTELY WON'T BE THERE THIS TIME, BUT IT COULD BE ANY CITIZEN THAT'S GOING THROUGH, BUT WE'RE SAYING, OH NO, IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK AFTER YOU'VE ALREADY STARTED THE PROJECT AFTER WE HIRED A STAFF, I MEAN, WE DO SEND OUT, UM, WE ARE NOW WE ARE SENDING THE, WITH THE APPLICATION.
SO I WILL HIGHLIGHT, THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS.
THESE ARE THE STEPS YOU HAVE TO DO, OR I'M NOT EVEN LOOKING AT THE APPLICATION THAT'S BEING DONE OR WE ARE HAVING, UM, STARTING HOUR LONG MEETINGS THIS WEEK TO CREATE CHECKLIST TO KIND OF STREAMLINE THIS PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THIS IS NOT A REPEAT.
UM, THE OTHER JUST REAL BRIEF MIRROR, OPEN DISCUSSION.
I JUST WANT TO GO OVER SOME ITEMS FOR THE LIAISON MEETING ON THURSDAY CASE TO KEEP ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS INFORMED.
AND I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE QUESTIONS.
UH, OBVIOUSLY THE BUILDING CODES, ENVIRONMENTAL DIVISION, TOWN, AND COUNTY TRANSITION.
AGAIN, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE TRANSITION OF THOSE THAT ARE ALREADY HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT OR APPLICATION PROCESS.
UH, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE JOINT TOURISM COMMITTEE AND JLL UPDATE, UH, WITH THE COUNTY, WITH THE RECENT MEMBER THAT'S BEEN AMENDED, UH, THE CASE BRIEF PROPERTY.
SO, UM, STILL WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A, A CONTRACT ITSELF
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OR SO IN THE MEANTIME, WE'RE NOT, WE CAN AGREE TO SOME OF THE COMBINING THE PARCELS THAT ARE OUT THERE, THAT THEY WOULD LIVE.WE'D RATHER HAVE SOMETHING SO WE CAN BRING THE COUNCIL TO SEE IF THERE'S AGREEMENT AND COUNTIES INVOLVED.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FROM ROYAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, WHERE WE ARE, WE'RE GOING TO ALSO DISCUSS OUR REWRITE OF OUR TOWN, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, OUR SCHEDULE, AND ALSO THEIR UPDATE NURSE.
SO WE'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE TROLLEY SERVICES OF THE TRAILHEAD AS WELL AS THE NEW HOSPITAL STOPS AS WELL AS THE BUS SHELTERS AND ANY OTHER TOP OF, UH, UH, ROUTES OR TIME EXTENSION WOULD TAKE THE LEAD.
UM, THE COUNTY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT YOUTH PROGRAMS. NOW THIS COVID-19 SEEMS TO BE SLOWING UP TO SOME EXTENT, GO AHEAD.
SO, UM, RECENTLY THE, UH, MIDGET FOOTBALL LEAGUE MIGHT BE LOSING POSSIBLY AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, THEIR PRACTICE FIELD AT VFWD THE CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP AND THEY COUNTY WAS GOING TO LET THEM USE, YOU KNOW, THE SOCIAL SERVICES THAT, THAT FOOTBALL FIELD THERE, BUT THEY'RE CHARGING, UM, FOR THAT.
AND I WANTED TO SEE WHAT IS THE MINIMAL AMOUNT THEY CAN CHARGE, OR THEY COULD WAIVE THAT OUR FOOTBALL LEAGUE HAS TAKEN ON FOOTBALL PLAYERS FROM WINCHESTER, CAUSE THEY'RE A WEEK.
UM, I THINK IT GOT DISSOLVED OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
UM, SAID, WE TALK ABOUT DOING THINGS FOR KIDS, KEEPING THEM OUT OF TROUBLE, THAT WAY THAT WE COULD DO SOMETHING TO GIVE BACK AND HELP OUT.
IF THEY HAVE OVER A HUNDRED SOMETHING KIDS PROGRAM, THEY PROVIDE THEM WITH THEIR PADS AND PANTS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
UM, I JUST WANT TO TAKE OUT SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO.
I WAS GOING TO SAY YOU TO REMIND ME WHEN WE GET TO THAT, BUT I WILL DEFINITELY BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I, I, YEAH, LIKE THAT'S ALL THAT I, I GUESS, WELL, WE'LL ASK, BUT I'M GUESSING THAT THAT FOOTBALL LEAGUE IS NOT UNDER THE, I DON'T KNOW, NOT UNDER WARREN COUNTY PARKS AND REC ANYMORE BECAUSE SURE.
BUT THEY'RE CHARGING A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS EACH TIME THAT FIELD IS USED, UM, JUST NOW FOR GAMES AND I THINK FIVE OR SIX GAMES ARE THERE.
AND THEN OF COURSE, IF THEY'RE PRACTICING TWO NIGHTS A WEEK OR SOMETHING, OR IT HAVE TO BE MORE THAN TWO NIGHTS A WEEK BECAUSE YOU HAVE DIFFERENT TEAMS, YOU HAVE, WE HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT TEAMS BASED ON THE AGE GROUPS.
I MEAN, I THOUGHT, WELL THAT, BUT LIKE I'M THINKING, ARE THEY CHARGING FOR THE SOCCER PLEX TO USE WRITING THE SOCCER GAME? I'M JUST IT'S OKAY.
I'LL ASK THE FEES FOR EACH KID IS WAY UP THERE NOW.
I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE, IS THAT THAT'S YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THINK THAT ACTIVITIES.
SO JUST, UM, IS THERE ANY EXCEPTION TO THE, TO THE, UM, IS IT A WARREN COUNTY RUNNING UP BAR? IT'S ALL MORE WARREN COUNTY RUNNING HOUSE? WELL, ONE THING THAT WE COULD ADD AS A SUB DISCUSSION FOR ONE OF THOSE ITEMS IS I'VE HAD A FEW REQUESTS FOR DOG PARKS PART OF THE TIME, I GUESS THEY LOOKING THROUGHOUT TOWN TO SEE IF MAYBE THERE'S ONE OR TWO OTHER PLACES
I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU THOUGH, WHEN THEY BUILT THAT DOG, WHEN THEY GOT THE DOG PARK DOWN THERE, THAT WAS A HUGE THING.
LIKE THEY RAISED MONEY FOR IT.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
LIKE, NO, I'M JUST SAYING THOUGH THAT THE COUNTY APPARENTLY THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN WE HAVE OUR THREE, THREE AND ABOVE.
SO INITIATIVES THAT AMENITIES, ANYTHING YOU ALL THINK OF IS THERE KIND OF, DID YOU GET YOUR EVERYTHING, UM, THEN THE SHORT-TERM VACATION HOUSING AND SIMPLY RENTALS.
COUNTY'S GOING TO BRING US UP TO SPEED.
I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO THEN THE JOINT VISION RETREAT BETWEEN TOWNIE COUNTY.
UM, WE NEED TO SCHEDULE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'S THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AND THEN THE COUNTY WATER SUPPLY STUDY, THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO BE UNDERWAY AND STUFF.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE IS JUST ONE OF THOSE IS THERE AND IT'S OPEN ON THERE.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK.
LIKE WHAT SHE JUST BROUGHT UP WAS BASICALLY LIKE WHAT THEY'VE DONE UNDER YOUTH PROGRAMS AND THAT'S THE NUMBER ALL THAT'S TRUE.
I WOULD THROW THAT UNDER THAT BECAUSE SOMEBODY ASKED ME RECENTLY
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ABOUT WHAT, UM, FIRE DEPARTMENT AND, UM, ABOUT THE ELECTRIC BILL FOR THE IN-TOWN FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEN HOW MUCH AT COST AND THE POSSIBILITY OF, YOU KNOW, COULD, WOULD WE CONSIDER WAIVING? RIGHT.WELL, I I'M I'M, I'M JUST, I WAS ASKING YOU AND I CAN ASK THEM INDIVIDUALLY, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING, BECAUSE PARKS AND REC, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, FIRE AND RESCUE FALLS UNDER THE COUNTY'S, UM, BUDGET.
SO, SO, SO THEY SHOULD BE BUDGETING FOR EACH OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS, ELECTRICAL UTILITIES.
WE CAN GET YOU SOME INFORMATION AND MAYBE WHY WE CAN OR CAN'T DO TOO.
I JUST WONDERING WHY THEY WERE FEELING THEIRS.
THEY WERE FEELING LIKE THEIRS WAS SO EXPENSIVE BECAUSE I WOULD IMAGINE EVERY FIRE STATION IS PAYING THEIR ELECTRIC BINGO EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT, BUT THEN THAT'S NOT GOING TO PAY.
AND THEN FINALLY I ALWAYS GO THROUGH JUST TO MAKE SURE WE ALL AGREE ON CONSENT ITEMS. SO THE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, AND THEN THE, UH, THE SPECIAL EVENTS, THAT'S A CONSENT ITEM.
SO IF WE DON'T PUT IT AS A CONSENT WHERE WE DO MAKE IT INDIVIDUALLY, MAKE IT AS A BUSINESS ITEM AND OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION AGAIN.
WELL, BUT IS IT, IS THERE A PUBLIC HEARING? IF IT GOES ON THE CONSENT, WE HAD A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, ONE TIME BEFORE PUBLIC INPUT, BUT THIS IS STRICTLY ABOUT POLICY STAFF TO USE.
WE WERE JUST GETTING TRAINED ON IT.
SO HE'S ASKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC EVENTS USE.
DO WE WANT IT ON CONSENT OR DO WE WANT TO PULL IT OFF AS IT? YEAH, IT'D BE UNDER BUSINESS.
SO HOW IMPORTANT DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AS WELL? THERE'S ONE OR TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPOSED.
I GUESS WE SHOULD HOLD ON OFF.
THERE'S A LOT OF RIDING ON THIS.
I, I JUST DON'T WANT TO PUT THREATS, SAY CONSENT AND THEY NO FORWARD.
IF SOMEBODY FEELS THEY WANT TO PULL IT OFF THE CONSENTED AND DISCUSS IT, THEY CAN THAT NIGHT, IF YOU WANT TO WHATEVER.
AND THEN, AND WE WOULD START USING IT IN NOVEMBER.
IF WE SAID A YEAR FROM NOW, YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE FINDING THAT THE FEES ARE DISCOURAGING PEOPLE FROM DOING IT.
WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND REVISIT IT.
AND MAYBE EVEN BY THEN HAVE SOME DAY DON'T WANT HOW MUCH IT'S COSTING US.
WE'LL GOING TO USE IT SEPTEMBER 28TH, RIGHT AFTER Y'ALL APPROVE IT.
AND IF
I MEAN, THAT'S THE ONLY, YEAH.
THAT'S THE PRIMARY REASON THAT THAT LAURIE AGREED TO IT.
AND NOW SHE'S, I'M SURE SHE'S AGAINST THE FEES AS WELL.
SHE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT IS IT, THIS THING KIND OF HAS BEEN TOUCHED BY A LOT OF PEOPLE AND I'LL SAY THAT AGAIN.
LET'S SEE IF WE CAN VERY COUNSELING.
SO I HAVE
WE'RE GETTING READY TO POUR THE PAST.
WE IDENTIFY THE LOCATION AND THEN THEY'LL INSTALL THE, THE SHELTERS AFTER WE'RE DONE TOO.
NO, YOU GO, YOU FINISHED GONE.
WHAT'S THE HOLDUP ON THE PERIOD.
I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY HADN'T SIGNED IN, BUT YOU WILL HAVE A, WE'LL HAVE A BRIEFING ON THAT.
UM, I AM, UH, I I'VE, I'VE TALKED TO A COUPLE OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UM, AND THEN THEY SEEM TO BELIEVE
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THAT, UH, A 5 0 1 C3 WOULD BE WHAT THEY WOULD PROBABLY PREFER.YOU STILL WANT TO HAVE A BOARD.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WE, WE PUT OUR MONEY IN THE POT COUNTY, PUTS THEIR MONEY IN THE POT.
THE 55 0 1 C THREE WILL STILL HAVE FULL CONTROL OVER IT.
UH, SAY AS TO WHAT GOES ON STILL MEMBERS FROM THE TOWN, STILL MEMBERS FROM THE COUNCIL.
I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE TO YELL BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, THAT DOESN'T WANT TO GO AND WE NEED TO GET THIS RULE ABOUT IT, GUYS, JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE.
UM, YOU THINK THAT WE SHOULD MAKE IT A NON-PROFIT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IT'LL BE HANDLED LIKE A NONPROFIT FUNDING.
SO WHAT DO YOU THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET? UH, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GET GRANTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT THROUGH, THROUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, JUST FROM WHAT, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION TO GET THROUGH THIS AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE ARE TOO, BUT DOUG AND I HAVE NOT SEEN THE AMENDED MOU.
UM, AND THEY COUNCIL'S ALREADY AUTHORIZED US TO, TO, UH, TO SIGN THE MOU AND THE CONTRACT.
SO UNTIL WE SEE IT, WE CAN GIVE YOU A BETTER, UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT LIAISON MEETING OR CORRECT.
THAT'D BE A GOOD PLACE TO BRING IT UP.
BASED ON YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE FOLKS YOU'VE TALKED TO, DO YOU THINK THEY'D BE AMENABLE TO DOING A PILOT? YOU'RE NOT SEEING HOW THEY WANT TO DO IT.
THAT'S HOW THEY WANT TO DO IT.
UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT I GATHER, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'LL WORK AND IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE AGREEABLE TO.
AND AT THIS POINT, IT'S NO SENSE BATTLING BACK AND FORTH EVER.
SO WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN FOR US IN TERMS OF TAKING THIS BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD? STEVE, IF WE AGREED TO WITH THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT DAVID, LIKE GARY SAID, THEY'RE AMENABLE TO HAVING THAT MODEL, BUT THAT JUST BASICALLY BRING US BACK TO THE BEGINNING.
HAVE WE PUT ANY CASH IN AT THIS STAGE OR PAID IN TERMS OF THAT WITH THE COMMITMENT BEYOND THAT WE HAVE ALREADY MONEY TO ALREADY APPROVED AND YOU KNOW, TO USE MONEY FOR THE TOURISM JLL, UH, WE'VE WENT LAST MONTH, WE WOULD CALL, UM, COUNSELORS AUTHORIZE US TO GO AHEAD AND NEGOTIATE FOR YOU AS YOUR SON AND THEN THE CONTRACT.
SO THE MOU IS, IS, IS IN THE PROCESS OF ALLOWING A 5 0 1 C3, THE NEW ONE.
UH, DOUG HASN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SEE IT EITHER.
SO WE CAN'T REALLY SPEAK, UH, IN ANY WAY RIGHT NOW WHEN WE SEE IT BEFORE WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'RE HOPING FOR, WE'LL MAKE THE POINT OUT OF IT.
SO GARY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT CHARLIE, THEN IT TRIGGERED SOMETHING FOR ME I HAD, UM, SOMEBODY SAID THAT THEY COULD NOT FIND A TROLLEY SCHEDULE.
LIKE THEY KNEW THAT IT WENT TO A CERTAIN PLACE A COUPLE OF TIMES A DAY, BUT COULDN'T FIND THIS PEDAL, WHERE IS THAT? LET ME LOOK INTO THAT SHOULD BE ON THE WEBSITE.
UM, I GUESS BECAUSE I NEVER SEEN ANYONE ON IT.
SO THE RMA KIDS USE IT ALL THE TIME.
I PERSONALLY, HAVEN'T SEEN VERY MANY.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY STATISTICS, TRACKED METRICS TRACKED ON USAGE ON, OFF, UH, WHAT THE MOST POPULAR STOPS ARE, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
CAUSE YOU SAID, YOU MENTIONED REPORTING ANOTHER IS I'M ASSUMING IT'S A TROLLEY STOP.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE HEARING? OKAY.
UM, SO, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT WERE THE METRICS DONE TO SAY, WE NEED ANOTHER STOP.
WE NEED THIS HERE, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
UM, I KNOW THIS HAS COME UP BEFORE I'VE HEARD IT AT OTHER COUNCIL MEETINGS.
TALK ABOUT NOT HERE TO THIS DISCUSSION ON SOME THINGS.
AND I'D LIKE TO JUST SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING COLLECTED, THAT'S NORTHERN SHENANDOAH VALLEY.
REGIONAL COMMISSION WOULD PROBABLY BE YOUR BEST SOURCE FOR THAT BECAUSE IT'S A JOINT KIND OF THING WITH THEM.
AND THEY, I THINK THEY HAVE SOME STATISTICS BECAUSE I TALKED TO THEM ABOUT IT BEFORE AND I'VE WRITTEN ON IT BEFORE.
AND LIKE WITH ALL THE STAFF, LIKE, I GUESS I WAS BORED ONE SUMMER DAY WITH MY SON.
IT WAS FUN FOR HIM, BUT THEY DO ACTUALLY TAKE THE BALL TO WALMART.
AND SOMETIMES LIKE I SAW, I WITNESSED THEM PICKING UP PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE AND COME BACK INTO TOWN AND STUFF.
AND IT WAS REALLY, IT WAS A REALLY NICE BENEFIT.
IT'S CHEAP, IT'S SUPER CHEAP, LIKE 50 CENTS.
YOU CAN GET ON IT, READ THE WHOLE LOOP FOR
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50 CENT BRANDON DAVIS.YEAH, MY FAMILY, WHAT I DO WANT TO CLARIFY BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE, THE NEW ROUTE IS JUST, UH, FROM THE, FROM THE OLD WARREN MEMORIAL HOSPITAL NOW TAKING PEOPLE TO THE NEWS.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE CREATED A NEW ROUTE.
THE TRAIL HAS, WE'RE LOOKING INTO SEEING HOW WE CAN EXTEND THE HOURS.
AND IN A NOTE DECISIONS, THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THIS LAYS ON ME SO THAT I DON'T WANT YOU TO, TO THE STAFF OR ANYBODY AS WOULD HAVE HAD TO MAKE DECISIONS.
ALL THEY'RE DOING IS TRADING, YOU KNOW, FROM THE OLD HOSPITAL.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, AND HE EVEN COULD BE CONFIRMED BECAUSE I CAN'T REMEMBER.
I THINK IT PRETTY MUCH IS COVERED, RIGHT? AS FAR AS LIKE THE STATE PUTS MONEY IN AND SOMETHING ELSE, LIKE I THINK OUR PARTICIPATION'S DOLLAR WISE, THERE'S 30% OF LOGAN SQUARE.
WE HAVE A, THE DECENT LOOP BECAUSE JUST AS, SO THAT IT WAS AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING OUT TO WALMART, IT'S TAXI OUT.
MY DAD USED TO TAKE PORTABLE OPTION FOR SOMEBODY TO GET TO WORK VERSUS A $10 CAB RIDE ACROSS RIGHT.
TWO THINGS, ONE BRANDON DAVIS AT THE TIME, PRETTY SOON OFF, LIKE HE'LL COME IN AND GIVE US UPDATES.
HE'S THE CONTACT PERSON THAT LATASHA IS TALKING ABOUT.
AND THEN ALSO BEFORE YOU GUYS CAME ON BOARD, UM, LAST YEAR SOMEBODY CAME AND TALKED TO US FROM, I WANNA SAY IT WAS NORTHWESTERN.
AND ANYWAY, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT.
THEY REALLY WISHED WE WOULD EXPAND BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE THEY WERE MENTIONING LIKE THEIR CLIENTS THAT THEY WORK WITH, UM, WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES OR WHATEVER, NOT HAVING THE, NOT HAVING THE TRANSPORTATION ACCESS THAT THEY WOULD NEED.
AND THEY WERE ASKING ABOUT US ADDING STOPS OR, AND, OR ADDING DISTANCE.
AND QUITE HONESTLY, WE NEVER REALLY ADDRESSED IT BECAUSE KIND OF LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH WOULD IT BE USED AND, AND IT WOULD ADD AN EXPENSE TO IT.
SO, I MEAN LIKE COLLECTING STATISTICS DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN THAT AD THING, LIKE, OH, YOU GOT TO KILL THIS THING.
SOMETIMES TALKING STATISTICS COULD BE, OH, LOOK AT THIS.
THIS IS WHERE EVERYONE'S GOING.
AND THIS IS WHERE MAYBE WE NEED A BUS STOP SHELTER THERE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO IF IT'S A SERVICE, THAT'S A VALUE AND WE CAN LOOK AT STATISTICAL ANALYSIS TO SAY WHAT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
AND WE CAN DETERMINE WHERE IT'S MOST ADVANTAGEOUS VERSUS, AND THEN WE CAN EITHER FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, UH, TO GROW THE PROGRAM EFFECTIVELY TO HELP MORE PEOPLE.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHY BASIS OF UNDERSTANDING WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO WHO'S USING IT, WHAT STOPS HER THE MOST? I MEAN, OTHER THAN INCIDENTAL INFORMATION, LIKE I SAW PEOPLE GET PICKED UP AT WALMART.
HOW MANY PEOPLE GOT PICKED THEM OUT, HOW OFTEN THEY GET PICKED UP? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, WHAT ARE THE BEST TIMES? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING HARD TO GET BRAD TO SHIP UP AND MAKE IT A VIABLE WAY FOR PEOPLE IN OUR TOWN ISSUE.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF RELIABLE TAP COMPANY EITHER.
AND THEY EVEN GO TO PEOPLE WHO ARE DISABLED AT HER HOUSE AND SOME OF THE WORK, UM, ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO FIGURE OUT LIKE INSTEAD OF INCIDENTAL WAY IS TO LOOK THEM TO IT.
I JUST DON'T HAVE THAT AGAIN, THAT BASIS OF UNDERSTANDING INFORMATION.
I'D LIKE TO JUST TAKE A LOOK AT A COUPLE THINGS.
UM, I'M GOING TO BE EXPLORING THE SISTER, CITY CONCEPTS, AND OFTEN THIS IS DONE WITH ORANGE CITY AND I'M JUST GOING TO BE EXPLORING IT IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO JOIN ME.
AND NO, I'M NOT, UH, UH, JUST I'M DOING SOME RESEARCH ALSO HAS A GOAL AS PART OF MY CAMPAIGN AND SINCE TO, UM, REVIVE OR CONSTITUTE OR RECONSTITUTE, UH, UM, MS. STEREO BEEF, UH, COMMITTEE, UM, HERE IN TOWN.
I, MY, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS THAT EXISTED AND MAY ACTUALLY STILL BE EXISTING IN SOME FORM.
AND, BUT IN ANY CASE I HAD PIECED TOGETHER A FEW THINGS.
UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, PRELIMINARY MEETINGS ARE IMMINENT NEXT FEW WEEKS.
SO IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION, YOU, YOU HAVE A CONTACT PERSON THERE FOR THAT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? BECAUSE I'VE GOT A FEW CONTACTS.
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SOMEBODY THAT, THAT WAS INVOLVED IN BECAUSE THEY USED TO SPONSOR THE BACCALAUREATE SERVICES AT THE HIGH SCHOOL.AND, UM, AND SO I HAVE A NAME IF YOU WANT THAT.
SO IF THERE'S NAMES YOU WANT TO TOSS MY WAY, ANYTHING.
UM, AND ONE OF OUR, UH, EARLY, EARLY, UH, EARLY MEETINGS, UM, I SAID, YOU KNOW, IS IT REALLY CITIZENS OF FRONT ROYAL? UM, OR IS IT RESIDENTS? AND I, I ACTUALLY LOOKED IT UP AND CITIZENS IS PROPER AS WELL.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW,
WHEN I, WHEN I BROUGHT IT UP, THIS IS A REALLY, REALLY RESIDENTS CITIZENS.
CAUSE THERE'S NO CITIZENSHIP PROCESS FOR LIVING IN ANYWAY.
UM, ONE THING THAT I'M INTERESTED IN EXPLORING WITH YOU ALL IS, UM, RAISING THE NUMBER OF CHICKENS THAT ARE OUT ON OUR PROPERTY.
UM,
THERE IS A, THERE'S A ESCAPING HOSPITAL EARLIER IN THE, UH, EARLIER IN THE WEEK AND THE PERSON GOT INTO AND THEY, EVERYBODY WAS TRYING TO BREAK INTO PEOPLE'S HOMES AND EVERYTHING.
I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, ESCAPED FROM THE HOSPITAL.
I THINK IT WAS A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT.
OH YEAH, HE GOT, YEAH, HE WAS REARRESTED.
YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS FROM THE, UH, THE REGIONAL JAIL.
I JUST, UM, WANTED TO INQUIRE IT AND WE CAN TAKE IT OFFLINE ABOUT, UH, PROCEDURES AND SUCH LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW THOSE FOLKS ARE GUARDED AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE JEW, THAT'S THE, THE JAIL STAFF.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY, IT'S NOT EVEN THE SHERIFF.
WELL, THAT'S PART OF MY ANSWER.
CAUSE THAT WAS A LITTLE FREAKY.
LIKE FOR THE LOCAL AREA, I MEAN, CAUSE YOU SAID THERE WAS SOME BREAK-INS WHAT HAPPENED WAS SOMEBODY WAS LIKE, UH, I GUESS THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE TO NOT HIS APPOINTMENT DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT AND WAS TRYING TO GET INTO PEOPLE'S HOUSES, BROUGHT DAYLIGHT, UM, HAD SOME SORT OF INJURY AND WAS SAYING HE HAD A GUN OR TERRORIZE THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ABOUT HALF AN AFTERNOON.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, IT BECAME JUST ANOTHER THING, BUT I, IT MADE ME WONDER, OKAY, WELL WHAT'S THE PROCEDURE.
IF WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY COMING LIKE FROM THE JAIL, I DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE WAS COMING FROM THE JAIL.
I THINK, I THINK PEOPLE THAT ARE ABLE TO DO THAT, IT'S USUALLY A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU GET AT THEIR BACK DOOR.
CAUSE WE HAVE A MEDICAL BUILDING DOWNSTAIRS FROM MY OFFICE SO WE CAN SEE WHEN THEY COME UP AND THEY'RE HANDCUFFED THEM WITH THE ENTIRE ATTACK TO GO IN THERE AND GET THEIR IMAGES AND STUFF.
I THINK THIS INDIVIDUAL WAS ABLE TO GO OUT ON HIS OWN AND MY
THAT'S WHERE YOUR CHICKENS, WHEN ANYBODY ELSE.
I GOT TO REDO THE BATHROOM AND COME BACK AND STILL BE ABLE TO BE HERE.
I MOVED TO TOWN COUNCIL, MEANING PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3, 7 11 HAVE VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.
ONE THE DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OR INTERVIEWS OF PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES FOR APPOINTMENT TO BOARDS, FOR WHICH TOWN COUNCIL HAS THE POWER OF APPOINTMENT, AS WELL AS THE ASSIGNMENT APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICER'S APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF THE TOWN PURSUANT TO SUBSECTION.
NUMBER TWO CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL AND BRIEFINGS ABOUT STAFF MEMBERS OR CONSULTANTS PERTAINING TO ACTUAL OR PROBABLE LITIGATION REGARDING THE WARREN COUNTY,
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ADA, JENNIFER WHERE'S THERE'S CONSULTATION.AND AS WELL AS FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED RETAIN
OUTSIDE THE TOWN'S CORPORATE LIMITS OR DISCUSSION IN THE NEW MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE BARGAINING POSITION OR NEGOTIATING STRATEGY OF THE PUBLIC BODY.
ALL PURSUANT TO SUBSECTION EIGHT, THREE, AS WELL AS CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL, WHAT ARE RETAINED BY THE PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRED THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE AS SUCH COUNSELING CONNECTION THERE WITH PURSUANT TO SUBSECTION AND OR CONSULTATION WITH EQUAL COUNCIL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY THE TOWN COUNCIL REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL SPENT SPECIFICALLY TO DISCUSS CONTRACTUAL AND PROGRAMMING FOR THE RIGHT PROGRAMMING MATTERS RELATED TO A CONTRACT.
THE TOWN IS A PARTY TO WHICH HAS BECOME PROBLEMATIC PURSUANT TO SUBSECTION A.