* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. TONIGHT 2041. [00:00:02] UM, I'LL POST THE DESTRUCTION, IMPROVER PROJECT PRESENTATIONS, [Town Council Work Session on August 9, 2021.] ROBIN. I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW EMPLOYEES. UH, WE'LL START WITH OUR DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCE, LLC. UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT BACKGROUND. HE, UH, HE, UH, WE HIRED HIM FROM THE NEW YORK STATE INSURANCE FUND. IT'S A STATE ORGANIZATION WHERE HE PROVIDED SUPPORT IN 2004 BOYS. HE HAS A MASTER'S DEGREE IN PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION AND A BACHELOR OF SCIENCE DEGREE IN HISTORY. UH, ALSO, UH, HE IS CERTIFIED AS A PROFESSIONAL IN HUMAN RESOURCE. UM, SO, UH, JUST A PLEASURE TO BE HERE. EVERYBODY'S BEEN SO WELCOMING AND, UH, JUST REALLY ENJOYING IT. AND, UM, MY WIFE AND I ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO JOINING THE FRONT ROYAL COMMUNITY WELCOME WELL, AND THEN OUR NEW DIRECTOR OF PLANNING THERE SHE IS. UM, SHE HAS A BACHELOR OF SCIENCE AND, UH, GEOGRAPHY AND GEO SCIENCE AND A MASTER'S DEGREE FROM URBAN IN URBAN, REGIONAL PLANNING FROM VIRGINIA TECH GO HOKIES. AND SHE'S A CERTIFIED, DOES THAT WANT AN ADMINISTRATOR FROM THE CORNER OF THE COMMONWEALTH, VIRGINIA, AND ALSO YOU ALL, OR COUNCIL APPOINTED HER TO SERVE ON THE TOWN'S BOARD OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW? SO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? NO, I'M REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE THIS WEEK, FIRST WEEK. IT'S REALLY GREAT. SO, AND THEN OUR, UH, ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER, UM, UH, KATHLEEN SHE'S, UH, SHE, SHE COMES FROM US FROM, SHE WAS A TOWN MANAGER IN THE AQUAPONIC, VIRGINIA. UH, SHE HAS A MASTER'S DEGREE IN CITY AND REGIONAL PLANNING, UH, A BACHELOR'S OF ARTS DEGREE OF POLITICAL SCIENCE AND PSYCHOLOGY. ALSO, SHE IS A AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF CERTIFIED PLANNERS AS WELL. SHE GRADUATED FROM THE SENIOR EXECUTIVE INSTITUTE AT UVA AS PART OF THE ICBA PROGRAM. SO HAPPY TO BE WELL, AND THEN THE FINAL ONE, BUT WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT, UH, JIM OSBORNE. UH, HE HE'S WITH US. HE HE'S OUR NEW ARBORIST, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER, UH, AND, UH, HE, HE HAS A DEGREE FROM MICHIGAN, UH, MICHIGAN, MICHIGAN, UM, AND HE IS A CERTIFIED ARBORIST. HE DOES, DOES IT ALL PRETTY MUCH THE, UH, AND HE'LL BE WORKING WITH, UM, OUR NEW ESTABLISH A COMMITTEE ONCE, ONCE COUNCIL REVIEWS THE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND HE'S PART-TIME EMPLOYEE, AND HE HELPS OUT PUBLIC WORK. SO ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITHOUT DOORS. UM, SO HE'S A GREAT ADDITION AND HE'LL SERVE AS A GREAT RESOURCE WITH THE NEW ADVISORY COMMUNITY GROUP. I'M SORRY, MONDAY NIGHT, THE RING GOT BIGGER. SO ANYWAYS, THAT'S THE START. THANKS MAYOR. AND COUNCIL ROBBING AGE TONIGHT. WHY GO AHEAD. RIGHT. SO THE END OF LAST YEAR, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. SO THIS IS KIND OF THIS UPDATE FROM SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THOSE WERE STARTING, AND THERE'S SOME NEW THINGS THAT COME UP. SO WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT GRANTS, EVERYBODY'S ATTENDING. UM, FIRST THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THREE ON APP PROJECTS. UH, ONE JUST STARTED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. UH, TWO ARE COMING UP, UH, STUFF AT THE WASTEWATER PLANTS, SOME OF THE FAN RISKS, UH, RADIO READ METERS, THEY'RE A LITTLE MORE LINE OR A TREATMENT PLAN AND BUILD FOR ME, WHICH HAS FINISHED POSSIBLE AMOUNT OF GRADES AND SLOW THE PROJECTS. THE FIRST ONE, THIS ONE'S THE ONE I TALKED ABOUT. THIS STARTED IN JULY. THIS IS THE ONE OF HER AT STONEWALL BRIDGE. UM, THIS IS THE ONE THAT HAS BEEN ACROSS THE CREEK AND UPSIZE THE LINE AND GETTING A FLAT SPOT OUT OF IT, UM, TO HELP WITH THE SEWER BACKUPS ALONG THE FLEA MARKET AND UP THROUGH THE BUSINESS PARK, LIKE WE'RE BREAK TIME [00:05:01] AND ALL THAT STUFF IS, UM, THIS IS PART OF THE CONSENT ORDER. UM, HI, WE'RE HOPING TO BE DONE BY NOVEMBER, BUT WE'RE AT THE WORST DECEMBER. UM, WE GOTTA BE DONE BY JANUARY 1ST IS WHAT THE DEQ DEADLINE IS. UM, WE GOTTA BE ACROSS THE CREEK BY AUGUST 15TH OF THIS MONTH. OH DUDE. THE TIME OF YEAR RESTRICTION. UM, SO WE'RE HOPEFULLY BY THE END END OF THIS WEEK, WE'LL BE ACROSS THE CREEK AND THAT PART WE'LL BE DOING. UM, AND THAT WAY WE KEEP THAT GOING. UH, THIS PROJECT ORIGINALLY WE THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE ABOUT THREE GORES. A MAN ACTUALLY COME IN A LITTLE LOWER GRADING AND 3 28 WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. UM, LIKE I SAID, THIS GOT PRETTY GOOD. UH, THIS ONE, UH, IS GETTING, WAS ACTUALLY JUST WENT OUT TO BID. THIS IS THE URGENT WONDER, APPARENTLY TALKED ABOUT BACK LAST YEAR. THESE ARE PLACES THAT ARE JUST, I MEAN, REALLY BAD SHAPE. 42 SEWER REPAIRS CAN BE FIXED AND 146 LATERALS THERE'S IS TOO BAD TO EVEN TRY TO LINE. UM, LIKE I SAID, IT GOT, UH, BDH IS APPROVAL BECAUSE OF THE LOAN BACK IN JULY, UH, SWAM FOR ADVERTISING. WE'RE HOPING TO START IN OCTOBER. UM, WE DON'T HAVE NO PROBLEMS. UM, HOPEFULLY, UH, COMPLETE DESTRUCTION OF APRIL NEXT YEAR WITH ALL THE 42 AND 146 REPAIRS WITH THAT. THIS IS THE, THE BIG PROJECTS ON THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON DESIGN. THIS ONE PROBABLY GOT SOME SMOKE TESTING TO DO TOWARDS THE END THIS MONTH, SEPTEMBER TO WRAP UP SO WE CAN TRY TO GET THIS DONE. WE DID A BUNCH OF FLOW MONITOR AND A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, SO THEY COULD GET SOME GOOD INFORMATION, BUT THIS IS THE $8 MILLION PROJECT, UM, UH, MEDIA, MEDIA, UH, BBQ'S ALREADY APPROVED, APPROVED THE WORK. UM, SO NOW WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING FINISHED. THAT WAY WE CAN HOPEFULLY GET IT ADVERTISED IN JANUARY THIS YEAR, HOPEFULLY START CONSTRUCTION NEXT APRIL, THAT'D BE WEIRD. OR THE SMOKE TEST. YOU SAY, WE HAVE TO, SOME MORE, WE HAVE TO DO. DO YOU KNOW WHICH NEIGHBORHOODS I KNEW LIKE JOHN MARSHALL OUT THROUGH THAT WAY, UH, LIKE UP, UH, BEATEN UP THROUGH THAT AREA. SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT A BUNCH OF NOTICES OUT BEFORE WE GET TO THAT. AND WE'LL PUT DOOR HANGERS OUT, LIKE THE WEEK BEFORE ON HIS HOUSE, ANYBODY'S GOT ANY KIND OF HEALTH CONDITIONS AND STUFF. RIGHT. IT GIVES THEM TIME TO PLAY. I WAS JUST ASKED TO, WE COULD POSSIBLY PUT THAT OUT WHEN OUR TOWN, LIKE OUR SOCIAL MEDIA TOO. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST. I JUST, I JUST, SEVERAL PEOPLE HAD SAID TO ME WHEN THEY HAD THE SMOKE TEST, BY THE TIME THEY SAW IT ON THERE, THEY, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW AHEAD OF TIME. CAUSE IT WORKS PEOPLE. YEAH. YEAH. WE WE'LL AS WE PROBABLY GET MORE CALLS FOR THAT COMPANY, BUT YEAH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE EGG MAN. WE, WE DO PUT A PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT OUT AND WE ARE STARTING YOU AS THE MESSAGE BOARDS THAT WE HAVE, UH, IN THAT AREA AND LET THEM KNOW. OKAY. UM, BUT YEAH, SO THIS IS THE EIGHT MAN. THIS IS THE BIG PROJECT. LIKE I SAID, WE'RE HOPING ABOUT TWO YEARS TO COMPLETE ALL THAT WORK ONCE IT'S STILL NOT TO JUMP BACK. BUT THE OTHER PROJECT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POINT REPAIRS, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT 2.2 MILLION FOR THAT ONE. UM, WHAT WE'RE HAVING KIND OF ESTIMATED RIGHT NOW, UM, WASTEWATER PUMPS. THIS IS ONE THAT KIND OF CAME UP A WHILE BACK. THIS WAS ORIGINALLY IN THE UPGRADE. IT WAS DONE A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN IT WAS TAKEN OUT TO KIND OF CUT MONEY WITH SIMILAR STUFF. UH, THESE INFLUENT PUMPS WERE INSTALLED IN 1979 WHEN THE PLANT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT SOME 42 YEARS OLD. UM, NOW WE'RE WHEN WE'RE HAVING PARTS AND STUFF FOR THEM, THERE'S TWO, UH, TWO PUMPS, A LITTLE BIGGER THAN THE OTHER ONES, BUT THESE INFLUENCE PRICE AND MANAGEMENT, HELPING ALL THE SEWAGE THEY'VE COME TO THE TOWN FOR THE LAST 42 YEARS. IS THERE ANYTHING OUTSIDE THE TOWN LIMITS IN DOWNLOADS, SUCH AS RECEIVING STATION? EVERY BIT OF IT GOES THROUGH THESE, THESE POEMS, UM, YOU KNOW, TIMES WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE IN TO BYPASS, BUT THESE PUMPS, AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TIMES OF HEAVY RAINS, IT'S PUMPING AS MUCH AS 12 MILLION GALLONS, YOU KNOW, SO LIKES THERE ARE 42 YEARS OLD. WAS THERE STARTING TO GET BAD. WE HAD A WHOLE TIME GETTING PORTS. SO THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING COMING UP. WE'VE GOT SOME QUOTES A WHILE BACK HORSE. NOW HE'S SAYING THE PRICE IS GETTING A LITTLE HIGHER BECAUSE STUFF'S GETTING HARDER TO GET. SO WE JUST KIND OF WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. SO THIS IS ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT HASN'T BEEN, IT WASN'T THAT INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE CURRENT BUDGET. UM, THE ARTS, LIKE ROBBIE SAID FOR THESE PUMPS, UH, TOOK US TWO TO THREE YEARS TO GET SOME OF THE PARTS. IT SAYS, WE'RE ESCALATING IT UP. WE'RE GOING TO BE COMING TO COUNCIL. WE HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS. UH, WE MAY, UH, MAYBE RECOMMENDED TO USE EITHER, UM, SOME OF THE ARPA FUNDS THAT WE'LL BE RECEIVING OR POSSIBLY SOME FUND BALANCE TO GET THESE TAKEN CARE OF. UH, THIS IS KIND OF A, A CRITICAL THING THAT WASN'T DONE WITH THE PLAN UPGRADES THAT WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU GUYS REQUESTING THAT, JUST TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP, WHAT TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING WHEN IT COMES DOWN WELL, AND IT JUST, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR TOO, THESE ARE THE POEMS, BUT THERE ALSO BE SOME CALLS LIKE THE BMDS. UM, THERE WERE 42 YEARS OLD ON THE 96 UPGRADE. SOME OF THE CONTROL PANELS [00:10:01] WERE UPDATED, SO THEY WOULD BE OKAY WITH HER SMALLER STUFF TOO. THEY'LL HAVE TO GO HOME WITH THE PUMPS. UM, THAT WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, ASSOCIATED COST WITH THAT AS WELL. DOES THAT GET INTO AN EMERGENCY SITUATION IF WE DON'T DO IT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER? YEAH. THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE'RE THINKING TWO TO THREE YEARS, BECAUSE SOME OF THE PARTS, SOMETIMES THEY ORDERED PARTS LIKE TWO YEARS AGO AND IT GOT TO CUSTOMS AND THEY GOT HELD UP THERE. I GOT HELD THERE AND THEN THEY SAID HE COULDN'T FIND IT. SO WE REORDERED IT. IT WAS A GOPRO BACK. OH, YEAH. HE TOLD US, BUT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT LATER ON THIS ONE, UH, THE NEXT ONE THAT'S COMING UP. YEAH, THAT'D BE ANOTHER, SEE THUNDER THERE. THE NEXT ONE WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS THERE'S A ROTARY FAN PRESS. SO WHEN HE DID THE UPGRADE, THEY HAD AN, A ROTARY FAN PRESS THAT THEY WERE REFURBISHED WHERE THEY PUT ANOTHER ONE IN. UM, THEN WHAT THIS DOES IS DRIVES OUT ALL THE, THEY SLOW IT AND THEN IT GOES TO THE LANDFILL. UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE GETTING 12 GALLONS A MINUTE THROUGH THE PLANT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER LAST WEEK WE HAD THE TSS ISSUES WHERE WE COULDN'T GET THE STUFF OUT OF THE PLANT AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO THAT'S KIND OF GOES ALONG WITH THAT, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE GETTING 17% SOLIDS. THAT'S THE MOISTURE LEVEL. I DON'T THINK YOU SEE KIND OF HOW MUCH MOISTURE IS IN THIS KIND OF HARD TO SEE IN THE PICTURE, BUT IT'S GOTTA BE AT LEAST 15 TO GO TO LANDFILL. SO OF COURSE THE HIGHER, THE NUMBER, THE LESS WATER YOU'RE HAULING, CAUSE YOU KNOW, STEVE WATER BETTER. SO YOU'D GET MORE INTO CONTAINERS. YOU'RE NOT PAYING TO GET RID OF SO MUCH WATER. UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE USING FOUR TOTES OF PALMER IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS, WHICH IS ABOUT 33 65, A TOTE. UH, WE WENT DOWN TO STRUDELS CREEK, WHICH, UH, THEY TREAT ALL OF, UH, VIRGINIA TECH BLACKSBURG. UM, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE ABOUT THE ONLY OTHER WASTEWATER, THE PLANT IN THE STATE OR ABOUT ANY WORDS, IT'S KIND OF LIKE OURS WITH 80 TED'S AND ALL THAT SETUP, UM, BECAUSE IT'S SO UNIQUE, BUT THIS IS A NEWER CENTRIFUGE. THEY HAD, THEY ALSO HAD A 1977 THAT THEY'RE STILL USING. UM, BUT RIGHT NOW THROUGH THEIR NEW ONE, WE'RE GETTING 150 GALLONS A MINUTE. UM, AND THEY'RE GETTING 28% SOLIDS THROUGH THEIRS. UM, THEY'RE USING ONE TAPES, UM, EVERY TWO WEEKS AND YOU CAN SEE I'LL DETAIL THE DIFFERENCE HOW DRY THEM THE SLUDGE IS. AND THE FISHERS OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD ALLOW IF WE UPGRADE IT TO GET THE, YOU KNOW, GET TO, LIKE I SAID, GET THE SOLIDS OUT BETTER. UM, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE GETTING ABOUT 138 GALLONS MORE A MINUTE THAN WE ARE. AND ABOUT 11% MORE SOLIDS FOR GETTING THE MOISTURE OUT, OF COURSE, THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE TSS VIOLATIONS, UM, THIS, THE COST IN POLYMER. UM, AND THESE ARE JUST SOME ROUGH NUMBERS OFF OF WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE USING FAREWELL. WE'RE USING ALEXA. THAT'S JUST A ROUGH ESTIMATE, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEAL, UM, LIKES THE NAVY BLACKSBURG, VIRGINIA TECH, AND IT'S ONE OTHER AREA AND THEY ACTUALLY, A COUPLE DAYS A WEEK, THEY WON'T EVEN RUN IT ALL DAY. WE'RE RUNNING HOURS, 20 HOURS A DAY. CAUSE WE CAN ONLY GET 12 OF THEM, 12 GALLONS A MINUTE. SO ALL THE ELECTRIC, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE BURNING AND STUFF. UM, BUT ROUGHLY THIS FOR CENTRIFUGE, IT'S ABOUT 500,000. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON IF YOU HAD TO DO ANY ELECTRICAL UPGRADES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UM, FOR THAT, AND THAT WAS LIKE, WE JUST SAID, NO, WE JUST WANTED TO KIND OF BRING UP EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION. SO YEAH, JUST TO TOUCH ON THIS A LITTLE BIT HERE. UH, THE OTHER ONE THAT WASN'T BUDGETED THAT WILL BE COMING FORWARD TO COUNCIL ONE, UM, AS ROBBIE SAID, THEY WENT DOWN TO BLACKSBURG AND, AND SEEING WHAT THEY WERE DOING. UH, THIS WILL REPAY FOR ITSELF A FEW YEARS. UM, ALSO AVOID, HELP AVOID ANY OF THE OTHER DSS VIOLATIONS. SO ONE OF THOSE VIOLATIONS COULD BE UP TO $200,000 ON ITSELF. SO, UH, THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS NOT BUDGETED FOR AGAIN, MAYBE, UH, LOOKING AT USING SOME OF THE ARPA MONEY OR MAYBE FUND BALANCE OR SOMETHING ELSE IT'LL COME. LIKE I SAY, IT'LL PAY FOR ITSELF. YES. MA'AM UM, COMMENTS, ARE WE PAID NOTHING YET? NO, IT WAS LAST YEAR. UM, ONE OF THEM WAS A LAMB MISTAKE THAT OUR CONTRACT LAB MATE, SO THAT TOOK IT FROM LIKE 200,000 DOWN TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND. WELL, THEY NEVER CAME BACK TO US. THE, NO, NO, IT WAS THE ONE THAT'S THE, UH, THE UPGRADES DOWN HERE ON HAPPY CREEK, UH, THE SANITARY SEWER UPGRADE. AND ALSO, UM, UH, SO THAT WAS PART OF, UH, PART OF THE IN EXCHANGE FOR THOSE. SO WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY PAID A FINE PER SE, BUT EXACTLY THE ESSENCE THEY DID FIND US FOR. THEY SAID THEY WOULD RATHER US USE THOSE DOLLARS. WE WOULD PAY FOR THE FINE TOO. CORRECT. WELL, NOT ANY OF, AND THE TS STUFFS TS THE TOTAL SUSPENDED SOLIDS FROM LAST YEAR. UM, I GUESS WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON, YOU KNOW, THEY KIND OF DROPPED IT FOR THE TIME BEING, BUT I GUESS THEY MADE, THEY COULD COME BACK TO THE PORT THAT WAS LEFT. RIGHT. UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, THE LAMP, I THINK THE LAB WHERE THE LAB MESSED UP, THAT ME LIKE 140 GRAND, CAUSE THEY LITERALLY JUST SEND A LETTER TO MAIL. YOU OWE $200,000 A MONTH, BUT WE WILL HAVE TO BE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THESE WHEN THEY COME ABOUT. AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GIVE [00:15:01] YOU GUYS A HEADS UP AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE REASON WHY LEAVE IS BEHIND. HAD WE HAD TOLD HIM IF THEY WERE TO COME BACK, WE WANT TO HAVE A MEETING TO DISCUSS IT. WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ELSE FROM HIM. SO WE'RE KIND OF HOPING MAYBE THAT'S YEAH, YEAH. RIGHT. WHAT DID THEY DO WITH THE, UH, THERE'S LUNCH? THEY TAKING LANDFILL? THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THEY HOLD HERS IN A QUAD AXLE. DON'T TRUST THEM. UM, THEY, THERE WAS THIS INSIDE AND SO THEY JUST PULLED IN AND ONCE IT GETS FULL, THEY JUST TAKE ATLANTA WAS NOT VERY FAR FROM THEM. SO THEY JUST RUN UP HER, DON'T GET IT. I THINK HE SAID THEY TAKE ABOUT THREE LOADS A WEEK, UM, OPEN DUMP IT. OKAY. UM, SO THESE $10 MILLION WORTH OF UPGRADES, UM, WE WERE GOING OUT TO, YOU SAID THE POSSIBILITY OF US GETTING A LOO DRESS. UM, THAT WAS FOR THE I, AND I, I HAVE AN EYE FOR THE EYE AND NOT CORRECT. THIS WOULD NOT FOR, YOU KNOW, UM, WE COULD, BUT WE, LIKE I SAY, WE ALSO HAVE THE ARPA FUNDS TO USE AND WE DO HAVE A BIT IN FUND BALANCE. AND ASIDE FROM WHAT WE'LL SAVE, YOU KNOW, JUST A FEW YEARS, IT'LL PAY FOR ITSELF. WE HAVE, WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND WE ARE CERTAINLY EXPLORING ALL THOSE. I'LL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL WITH MORE INFORMATION. THAT'S 15.9 MILLION. UH, NEXT ONE WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, BUT JUST KIND OF A LITTLE VAGUE, UH, THE RE READ METERS, UM, WE'RE AT 90% NOW WE'VE GOT ABOUT 700 LEFT TO REPLACE. UM, WE HAD STOPPED, WE HAD A LEAK DETECTION STUDY DONE WITHIN WEEKS AND NOW, ESPECIALLY BEING A VOLUNTARY WATER RESTRICTION, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THOSE FIXED. BUT, UH, ONCE WE GET BACK, WE'RE HOPING BY MID, LATE FALL TO GET ALL THOSE DONE. AND THAT WAY THE WHOLE SYSTEM WILL BE CHANGED OUT. BE READY TO GO FOR THAT. WE HAVE ALL THE METERS IN STOCK FOR THAT, SINCE WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT METERS, I KNOW DAVID DEPARTMENT, WE'RE GOING TO BE BUDGET TO START PLANNING FOR THE AUTOMATIC METER FOR THE INTELLIGENCE, FOR AMI, FOR ELECTRIC THROUGHOUT THE TOWN. BUT LET'S GO TO THAT OVERLAP IN 2324, JUST TO KEEP THAT BACK REMOTE, UM, PARALLEL. WE'RE NOT ON PROJECT, UM, WITH THIS CAPITAL QUICK UPGRADE ON THE, THEY, ON THAT, UH, BDH IS FINISHING UP REVIEWING THE 90% PLANS AS WELL AS US. UM, THERE'S STILL SOME EASEMENTS WE'RE TRYING TO GET WRAPPED UP. LIKE IT'S LIKE FOUR OR FIVE, RIGHT THOUGH. I'M STILL WORKING ON THAT. I'M HOPING THAT MAYBE WE'LL BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE BY MAY TO 18 MONTHS TO DO ALL OF THE WORK. AND IT'S STILL, STILL AT THE $12 MILLION, THE ESTIMATED PROJECTS JUST FOR, YEAH, JUST FOR THE VIEW AUDIENCE AND CITIZENS. IT'S REALLY THE REDUNDANT WATERLINE OBJECT BENEFITS, NOT A NEW WATERLINE OR ANY ADDITIONAL ASK. THE PURPOSE REPORTS WERE DONE AT WATERLINE. YEAH. IT'S NOT PARALLEL WATER OVER THERE. ANY QUESTIONS NOW? SORRY. UH, THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, THIS HAS FINISHED NOW. UM, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE HAD THE FILTER MEDIA DONE. UM, THAT'S WHAT THESE BALLS HERE ARE. UM, WE HAVE FOUR OF THESE FILTERS OFF THERE. UM, BUT ONE OF THE NUMBER WAS PUT IN 97. IT WAS 24 YEARS OLD. UM, BUT IT KIND OF GIVES YOU A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A 12 INCHES OF GRAVEL. UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE, THERE'S 10 INCHES OF SAND AND YOU GOT YOUR, UH, THE TOP AND THEN ACTUALLY INSIDE EACH OF ONE OF THESE BLACK KINDS, THERE'S ONE OF THESE BIG BALLS. AND THEN ALL THE REST OF IT IS FILLED WITH THESE LITTLE WELLS. UM, BUT WE JUST GOT ALL OF THAT FINISHED UP. SO ALL FOUR FILTERS ARE DONE NOW. UM, IT'LL TAKE A LITTLE WHILE TO GET SEASONED. UM, BUT THAT WAS ONE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, UH, THAT WAS 295,700 LIKES. AT LEAST IT'S ALL WRAPPED UP NOW. SO WE SHOULD BE GOOD FOR A LONG WHILE ON THAT, UH, NORTH AVENUE. UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY, WE WAS HOPING ALREADY STARTED, BUT THE CONTRACTORS HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING SOME PIPE. SO WE'RE HUSBAND BOB PAVER. UH, THIS WILL BE FROM WEST 14TH STREET WHERE WE STOPPED THE OTHER YEAR, UH, DOWN THE COMMERCE AVENUE, UH, OR PUT SOME NEW TENANTS, UH, DR. LAN AND REPLACED THE OLD SIX INCH. UM, I HAD A COUPLE OF FIRE HATTERS AND REPLACE SOME SERVICES OR GALVANIZED, UM, CAUSE THAT PROJECT 620,375, UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY OUR LAST YEAR OF MONEY EXTRA. THEN IN THE LAST YEAR'S MONEY THIS YEAR IS MONEY. UH, ONCE WE GET THIS DONE AND WE'LL ACTUALLY GO FROM CONGRESS TO SIXTH STREET WITH A 10 INCH, AND THEN WE HAVE BRAXTON ROAD IN HER AS WELL, UM, TO DO AND GET RID OF THAT TRANSLATE UP THERE. UM, BUT SO HOPEFULLY NOT PAYABLE. WE GOTTA GET, GET THAT ROLL ON FOR THAT, UH, PROSPECT STREET GRADES WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE OR CONSULTANTS WORKING ON SOME BID SPECS NOW. SO THE DEBT SALES, I'M STILL LOOKING ABOUT [00:20:01] 200,000 TO GET THIS STUFF FIXED FROM THE BEAT UP ANNUAL REPORTS. UH, WE HAD THE MOST CHANGED ON THAT. UH, ONE THING THAT BRIDGE ORIGINALLY BUILT MY TEMPORARY SETUP, UM, JUST A LITTLE INFORMATION FOR THAT REPLACED SEVERAL DECADES. OH YEAH. THAT THING IS THEM THEM WOULDN'T TEMPERATURE A NIGHTMARE. YEAH. THEY ARE, UH, PAVING A CURB AND GUTTER. UH, THIS PROJECT HAS FINISHED UP IN JUNE AND THIS WAS 3,700 FOOT OF CURB AND GUTTER. WE DID NOR FEW LEACH WINES AND EVERYONE EVELYN, UM, BEFORE WE PAID 143,000, UH, FOR THAT. SO WE GOT THAT DONE THAT WAS OUT OF LA, UH, LAST YEAR'S PAVING, SAME STREETS OTHER THAN WE ADDED PARK VIEW. UH, WE COULDN'T DO IT LAST YEAR AS IT GOT TOO COLD ON US OF THE 130,000 FOR THAT NICE KIND OF SHOW YOU WHEN THEY WERE MILLING, ONCE THEY WERE DONE IN MILAN. AND THEN ONCE THEY OVERLAID PITCHERS, ANY QUESTIONS, I JUST WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO OUR PUBLIC WORK WHILE WE'RE IN THE ROOM, GIVING THIS PRESENTATION. I KNOW FOR WATER PROJECTS, I ENCOURAGE IT, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME HIGH TECH FACILITIES AND EVEN COUNCIL HERE. UM, WHEN, WHEN CAN WE EXPECT, I KNOW IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM. WE'RE HOPING, HONESTLY, WE'RE HOPING BY ME BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER TO GET THE BIDS BID OUT AND THAT WAY YOU'LL BE GOOD TO GO ON. YEAH. SO HOPEFULLY HONESTLY, HOPEFULLY BEFORE MID, LATE FALL, AS FAR AS OUR HOPES. OKAY. THANK YOU ROBIN. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THIS IS TYPICAL FOR THE AMOUNT OF ACTIVITY THAT'S GOING ON. SO THERE'S A LOT GOING ON RIGHT NOW. WELL, I DON'T LIKE ALLOW THE SUMMER STUFF CAUSE IT CAN SEND IT YOUR WAY AND GET IT. YEAH. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE TACKLING THAT, UM, TERM, DOES THAT CREATE A SITUATION WHERE WE'VE ADDRESSED A BUNCH AT THE SAME TIME AND IN A CYCLE 15 OR 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD? UH, PEOPLE BEHIND US ARE GOING TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE HAVING TO TACKLE A LOT AT THE SAME TIME THAT ALL THIS HAS TO BE REPLACED. NOT AS LONG AS THE TOWN KEEPS BEING PROACTIVE. IT'S LIKE THE WATERSIDE, WE JUST, UH, TWO YEARS AGO WE DID A 30 OR WATER MODEL UPGRADE UPDATE, GSA LAYS OUT PROJECTS FOR 30 YEARS, YOU KNOW, CAPITAL PROJECTS. UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE ACTUALLY LIKE NO FRO AVENUE, THAT WAS ONE IS WE EXTENDED THE DANNY'S BE SIX INCH. SO IT'LL, IT'LL BE 10 UNTIL IT GETS TO A MAIN STREET OR 12. AND SHE'S GONNA MAKE SURE TO TIE IT IN THAT WAY TO HELP THE PRESSURES, YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT. IF SOMETHING'S NOT THAT BAD, SOME ARE REALLY EXPENSIVE. UM, BUT YEAH, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF LAYS OUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, SHORT-TERM LONG-TERM BUT YEAH, SAME THING WITH THE SEWER, YOU KNOW, THE SEWERS AREN'T BAD NOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE THE ONES IN 10 OR 15, 20 YEARS. IT'LL BE BAD, YOU KNOW THEN YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS YOU'RE ALWAYS ABOUT TO MAINTAIN IT. SO WE'RE CATCHING UP A LITTLE BIT AND THEN THERE WE'LL PACE OURSELVES AND THAT'S PART OF THE SEATTLE PD PLAN THAT, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL'S GOING TO HAVE TO HELP US TO GIVE US SUPPORT AND GUIDANCE. AND IT'S GOING TO LAY OUT PIPE PIPES THAT WE NEED TO REPLACE ON A REGULAR BASIS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COMMIT, UH, NEEDS TO BE SUSTAINABLE. SO WE HAVE A PROGRAM. SO EACH YEAR WE KNOW WHAT SUCCEEDS NOT TO GET BEHIND, BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF INFRASTRUCTURE OR WE CAN IMPROVE OR WE STILL HAVE A PILE OF WATER ON BOARD. THAT'S GREAT. GREAT. ROBBIE, I JUST WANT TO SAY TOO, AS STEVEN SAID, I DID THE TOUR OF ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND IT WAS, IT WAS A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE TO LEARN. I FELT LIKE I, I FELT LIKE I KNEW SOME, BUT I DID NOT KNOW. AND JUST MEETING ALL THE STAFF AND THEY LITERALLY TOOK ME THROUGH EVERY PHASE OF EACH PART OF IT. IT WAS REALLY, IT WAS REALLY A GREAT EXPERIENCE. I'D HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT. IF ANYBODY HASN'T HAD A CHANCE TO DO IT, YOU HAVE SOME HARDWORKING PEOPLE WORKING UNDER YOU AND YOU. UM, BUT STEVEN WAS RIGHT. IT, IT WAS, [00:25:01] IT WAS A GOOD EXPERIENCE TO LEARN AND BETTER UNDERSTAND IT. SO YEAH. I'M GLAD. YEAH. YES SIR. OKAY. PERMIT BUILD VAULT. YEAH. THIS IS APPLICATION, UH, APPLICANT PALT APPLICANT FOR REVIEW PROCESS TO USE A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, A RESIDENCE LOCATED AT 1 24 LURAY AVENUE IN THE R THREE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, A FIVE BEDROOM BED AND BREAKFAST. UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF LURAY AVENUE BETWEEN WEST JACKSON STREET, NORTHEAST AND KILBY DRIVE TO THE SOUTHWEST. THE PROPERTY IS DOUBLE FRONTAGE ON LURAY AVENUE AND HE'LL BE DRAWING IN YOUR PACKAGE. YOU HAVE A MAP WITH THE ACTUAL LOCATION. I GUESS I'VE BEEN TOLD IS TO DEAL WITH HIS HOUSE. AND SO PART OF THE PACKET, UH, WE, UM, THIS PACKETS ALREADY HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEY DID RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL. UM, IT WAS APPROVED THE CONDITION THAT BUY-IN COMMISSION AND THEY APPROVED IT FOR THREE BEDROOMS. THE CODE STATES THAT, UM, ANYTHING FROM A 0.5 ACRES TO 1.4, NINE ACRES IS AUTHORIZED THREE ROOMS. UM, THE APPLICANT STILL REQUESTED THE FIVE ROOMS, UH, BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH COUNCIL AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN APPLICATION AS WELL TO DO A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT KIND OF CHANGED THAT FOR TOURIST REASONS. UM, SO IN THE REPORT, UM, EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE OKAY. UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IT SEEMS LIKE THE NEIGHBORS WERE SUPPORTIVE OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT IT SAID IN THERE. YEAH. YEAH. WE HAD A FEW NEIGHBORS COME IN FROM ACROSS. THEY WERE THERE. I GUESS THE MAIN CONCERN WAS THE PARKING CORRECT. WE HAVE SPACES THAT THEY LIMIT IT TO ONE CAR PER ROOM AND HE'S GOING TO DO OWNER OCCUPIED. SO HE HAD TO TAKE UP ONE ROOM. SO ONLY RENTING OUT THE OTHER FOUR SPACES, ALL HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE. MY QUESTION IS UNDER STAFF RECOMMENDATION, IT SAYS STAFF DOES NOT HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO OFFER. IS THAT MEAN YOU DO, ARE YOU, ARE YOU UP IN THERE? YEAH. SORRY. WRONG WAS THE OLD MEN, BUT WE DO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION AS I COMMITTED TO COUNCIL, WE WILL ALWAYS COME WITH A RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. CAN YOU SAY, IN SOME OF THE NOTES AND NATIONALISTS THE REPORTS, WE DID MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS OR COMMENTS IN THE REPORT ITSELF, BUT OVERALL WE JUST DIDN'T THE OLD WAYS WE DIDN'T RECOMMEND. SO IT LOOK LIKE SOME OF THE THINGS YOU ADDRESS, LIKE DIFFERENT PARTS OF IT. LIKE THE H I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS. YEAH. SO THE H IS THE BIG ONE WHERE IT COMES TO EVENTS, WEDDINGS, PARTIES, SUCH FORTH, UH, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED ANYTHING LESS THAN A ONE AND A HALF ACRES. YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO HOST EVENTS. UM, I THINK THIS WAS ALL DID REQUEST. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS HE WOULD LIKE TO DO. SO HE MAY TAKE OTHER AVENUES, UM, TO DO APPEAL OR GO THROUGH THE VCA AND THE PARENTS TO GET APPROVAL. UM, AND THIS WILL ACTUALLY BE, UM, IRREGULAR MEETING, I SUPPOSE, ON THE 23RD. CORRECT. WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC AREAS. YOU RECOMMEND FIVE BEDROOMS ALREADY PARTY THERE, BUT THE IDEA IS WE'RE GOING TO BE CHANGING. WE'RE GOING TO BE CHANGING THE TEXT AMENDMENT SO THAT WHAT WE'VE PREVENTED THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ADDRESSING. RIGHT. YOU'LL HEAR THAT ONE FIRST AND THEN WE'LL HEAR THE SPECIAL, YEAH. OKAY. GOOD THING AT THE ORDER, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. YEAH. THANKS CHRIS. SO HERE FOR THE NEXT TWO PAGES. ALL RIGHT. THANKS DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS. I'M SORRY. AMENDMENT TWO, UH, REASONS OVER THE ROOMS. SO THIS IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. CHAPTER 1 75 DASH 1 0 2 0.2, THE BED AND BREAKFAST BED AND BREAKFAST USE ORDINANCE IN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE. UM, BASICALLY WE STACKED [00:30:01] WENT OFF THE ACTUAL DEFINITION OF BEN BREAKFAST, WHERE IT ACTUALLY DEFINES 10 BEDROOMS OR 10, 10 ROOMS. UM, SO WOULD, THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE CODE THAT HAD ANY THING CLOSE TO THE 10. IT WAS ALWAYS SIX AND THREE. SO WE JUST INCREASED IT TO 10 BEING THE MAX ON AN ACRE AND A HALF. AND THE MORE, UH, THE SIX RNA, UH, 1 49 AND BELOW. SO IT'S, IT'S A SIMPLE TEXT AMENDMENT RECOMMENDS THAT ZAP RECOMMENDS. YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO THIS ONE IS, UH, THIS IS ALL THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION A FEW TIMES, UH, JUST TO GET IT RIGHT. IT'S ACTUALLY A PLANNING COMMISSION. WE'LL GET THEIR LAST LOOK AT THEIR WORK SESSION ON, ON THE 11TH WEDNESDAY. UM, AND THEN THEY WILL ACTUALLY TAKE ACTION ON IT ON THE 18TH AT THEIR REGULAR MEETING, UM, BEFORE IT COMES TO YOU ALL ON THE 23RD. SO BASED OFF THEIR RECOMMENDATION, UM, OR AGAINST YOU ALL HERE ON THE EIGHTH OR THE 23RD, HELLO FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE. DID THAT HAVE TO GO TO BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT UPPING THE AMOUNT OF NUMBERS OF BEDROOMS? THAT'S JUST AN ACTUALLY THAT DOES, IT'S GOING TO THE WORK SESSION. AND ACTUALLY I DON'T GO ON THE REGULAR MEETING ON THE 18TH AS WELL. OKAY. WE DID THAT. YEAH. SO EVERYTHING KIND OF FALLS TOGETHER RIGHT BEFORE IT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT, CHRIS, THANK YOU. THANKS FOR METALS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. SO WE'VE HAD A FEW DISCUSSIONS WHAT, HOW WE CAN RESHAPE THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A THIRD DISCUSSION WITH COUNSELING AND CREATING THE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT WILL FOCUS ON THE TOWN'S ECOSYSTEM, INCLUDING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF RECOMMENDED GOALS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION OF ALL THE WASTE REDUCTION, RECYCLING ENERGY CONSERVATION, CLEAN AIR AND WATER AND NATURAL RESOURCES AND SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY TO INCLUDE PUBLIC ART. AND IT WILL BE LED BY JOHN OSBORNE. UH, OUR, UH, OUR CERTIFIED ARBORIST AND WILL BE OUR ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER. UH, HE'S ALSO WILL BE A TREE CARE SAFETY SPECIALIST AND HE HAS OVER 35 YEARS EXPERIENCE. UH, THE ISAC WILL REPLACE THE URBAN FORESTRY ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO EXPAND THE COMMITTEE'S, UH, ADVISORY ROLE TO MORE OF A STRATEGIC, COMPREHENSIVE ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, RELATIVE ADDRESS ALL ASPECTS OF THE CANOPY. THE VISION OF THE COMMITTEE WILL INCLUDE RECOMMENDATIONS ON PRESERVATION, ENHANCEMENT MANAGEMENT AND PROTECTION OF FRONT ROYALS ENVIRONMENT AND NATURAL RESOURCES, EDUCATION, OUTREACH, COMMUNICATIONS, AND PUBLIC AWARENESS ON THE CARE OF THE TOWN'S ENVIRONMENTAL ASSETS, PROPOSE AMENDMENTS AND VARIATIONS TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND NATURAL RESOURCES RELATED TO THE POLICY REGULATIONS IS WHAT WORDS THE PLANS WILL DO. REVISE CHANGES TO THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN REGARDING SUSTAINABILITY AND URBAN FORESTRY PLANNING WILL BE REVIEWED BY USEC AS WELL. THE COMMITTEE WILL ALSO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING RECOGNITION AS TREE CITY USA TOWN COORDINATE WITH COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS AND VOLUNTEER GROUPS TO WORK ON ENVIRONMENTAL PROJECTS, PLANNING THE ANNUAL ARBOR DAY CEREMONY, SUPPORTING ACCORDING WITH FARMER'S MARKET AND SMALL RETAILERS THAT SPECIALIZE IN FARM TO TABLE AND HEALTHY FOOD FORCES. UH, THE FRONT ROYAL A TOWN COUNCIL WILL APPOINT FIVE VOLUNTEER COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO ARE COMMITTED TO ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION PROGRAMS AND WORKING TO STRENGTHEN THE SUSTAINABILITY OF THE CHANNEL'S ECOSYSTEM. IT'S COMMITTEE MEMBERS SHALL HAVE SHOW INCLUDE ONE, THE TOWN EMPLOYEE WHO SHALL BE THE CHAIRMAN ONE HIGH SCHOOL, SENIOR AND THREE AT LARGE RESIDENCE. THE THREE AT LARGE RESIDENTIAL WILL BE APPOINTED BY THE TOWN COUNCIL. EACH MEMBER SHALL BE A RESIDENT OF TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL OR WARREN COUNTY WHEN APPOINTED OR SELECTED THE RESONANT OF WARREN COUNTY MUST OWN A BUSINESS WITHIN THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. WHEN A MEMBER SEIZES TO BE A RESIDENT OF THE TOWN, OR IF A RESIDENT OF WARREN COUNTY SEIZES TO BE OWNER OF A BUSINESS WITHIN THE CORPORATE CORPORATED LIMITS OF THE TOWN, OR TO BE NO LONGER A WARREN COUNTY RESIDENT, THE MEMBER SHALL BECOME IMMEDIATELY VACANT [00:35:01] AND A NEW MEMBER SHALL BE APPOINTED OR SELECTED FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE TERM. THE SACK WOULD BE MADE UP OF CITIZENS WITH SKILLS AND EXPERIENCE OR EXPRESS INTEREST, AND AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING AREAS, URBAN FORESTRY, LANDSCAPING, UH, ARTICLES, GENERAL ENGINEERING, OR RELATED FIELD STUDY OF INTEREST, WATER RESOURCES, NATURAL RESOURCES, SOLID WASTE, SUSTAINABILITY, ENERGY CONSERVATION, OR THE ARTISTS. UM, WE WILL BE PUTTING OUT AN APPLICATION DEPENDING ON THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION ON THE 23RD. BUT I THOUGHT I WOULD READ, UM, A SUMMARY OF WHAT THIS COMMITTEE WILL BE DOING. YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONE THING. SO WE'RE SWITCHING FROM THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, UM, AND SAID PLANNING AND ZONING. IT'S GOING TO BE PUBLIC WORKS, PUBLIC WORKS. I LOVE THE IDEA OF INCLUDING THE HIGH SCHOOL SENIOR, BUT THAT, THAT WAS, UH, I THINK THAT'S GREAT. IT'S IN THE PODIUM. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR . JACOB BROUGHT UP A FEW WEEKS AGO. WHAT HAD HAPPENED WAS WE HAD HAD A REQUEST FROM A NEIGHBOR AT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD TO INSTALL IT THIS UNLIKE WHAT'S IN OUR CODE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, KNEW THAT IT WASN'T GOING TO BE GOOD, RIGHT. THERE WAS NOTHING TO STOP US FROM DOING IT. AND SO, YEAH, WE'VE DONE IT. BUT AS WE LOOK AT THIS IN THE CODE S RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN SEE, WE CHARGE THE CUSTOMER $11 AND 78 CENTS ON THERE IS NO CHARGE FOR THE INSTALLATION OF IT. AS LONG AS THERE WAS A POLE THERE, LET'S JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO THAT SOMEBODY HIT LOOSE THERE AND THE POLE WAS STILL THERE. IT NEVER BEEN POOLED. AND THEN WE'D HAVE A PLACE TO, YOU KNOW, TO INSTALL IT. OR ONCE IN A WHILE, WE'LL HAVE ONE FROM THE STREET SIDE TO WHERE SOMEBODY WANTS IT TO SHINE ON THEIR FRONT SIDEWALK, KIND OF A THING FACING THEIR HOUSE. SO THAT'S THE REASON THAT THAT'S IN THERE ABOUT THE POLE, BUT, AND THEN IT'S, WELL, IF THERE'S NO POLE IN THAT VICINITY WHERE THE CUSTOMER WOULD WANT TO, LIKE, WE CHARGE THEM $150 TO INSTALL THAT POLE. AND THEN THE ONLY REQUIREMENT FROM THEM IS THAT HE KNOWS THERE, THEY PAID FOR AT LEAST 12 MONTHLY PAYMENTS OF THAT BEFORE THEY GET OUT. SO ANYTHING BEFORE THAT? YEAH. SO WHAT HAVE WE GOT TO RUN LIKE TWO FEET OF SERVICE FABLE TO THAT POLE? IS THAT ON US? THAT'S ONE OF US AT THIS POINT, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN. WELL, YES. I MEAN $150. DOES THAT CHEAP? YEAH. YEAH. ALL HERE. YOU'LL SEE IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES, WHAT IT, WHAT IT ACTUALLY COST US. SO ANYHOW, WE'VE COME UP THE STAY UP, WE COME UP WITH FOUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO, TO CHANGE THIS. AND THE FIRST ONE IS, IS TO JUST SIMPLY PHASE IT OUT, JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT ANYMORE. THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, IS REALLY A PERSON WANTS A LIGHT IN YOUR BACKYARD. AS MOST OF Y'ALL KNOW, YOU CAN GET UP IN THE ATTIC, PULL A PIECE OF WIRE, PUT IT ON SWITCH AND CONTROL IT YOURSELF, YOU KNOW, HEY SOLAR. SO OUR SOLAR THAT'S RIGHT. BUT TODAY, YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE CAN CONSIDER ON THAT. AND THEN THE, THE NEXT ONE IS WHAT WE COULD CONSIDER IS JUST DOING A TIME AND MATERIAL BASIS. AND YOU CAN SEE DOWN THERE WHAT THE REAL COST WOULD BE. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN ESTIMATE. UM, SOMETIMES IT COULD TAKE A LITTLE LONGER DEPENDING ON THE DECK. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SITTING ON A CREEK BANK HERE IN THIS TOWN, SO WE NEVER KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO RUN INTO. SO TOUGH DIGGING, THAT TYPE OF THING, OR, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM COULD BE LESS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S REALLY GOOD DIGGING, EASY ACCESS THAT, SO THAT'S A CONSIDERATION AS WELL, [00:40:01] BUT YOU CAN SEE THE RENTAL COSTS DOWN THERE AT THE INVOICE TOTAL. AND THE OPTION THREE IS TO HAVE US, YOU KNOW, GO OUT IF, UH, IF A CUSTOMER WAS TO CALL IN AND WE'D LIKE TO LIGHT INSTALLED FROM THERE, YOU KNOW, WE GO AND DISCUSS IT WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS AND SEE HOW THEY SEE HOW THEIR FEELINGS ARE ABOUT IT. THE ONLY THING THAT I REALLY DON'T LIKE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR OPTION REALLY IS THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WHO'S TO SAY, WHAT'S IT LIKE SHATNER IN THEIR WINDOWS, SO TO SPEAK, OR EVEN IF THEY SAY NO, THEN WE GO BACK TO WHAT WE SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T WANT IT. AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, WHAT'S YOUR NAME? ROLE? WHICH SIDE WAS IT? YOU KNOW? SO YOU GET INTO IT INTO THE MOST BATTLE OR THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST FOR THEIR BACKYARDS. IS THAT WHAT THAT DOES FOR THEIR BACKYARDS? OR IT COULD BE FOR THE FRONT YARD. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MOST OF OUR POLES IS ON THE STREET AND OUR LIGHTS FACE OUT TOWARDS THE STREET. WE DO HAVE SOME WHERE WE JUST PUT IT ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE POLE FOR THE FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE. WHAT'S YOUR OPTION? YOU LIKE, I GOT THREE OPTIONS. THE OPTION TO OPTION FOUR IS, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE PD INVOLVED TO SEE REALLY, YOU KNOW, IS HER, IS HER HABITAT AREA? HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISTURBANCE AROUND THROUGH THERE? I CAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND GET A, GET THEIR PRINCIPAL FROM THEM. AND EVEN AT THAT, IT COULD BE THAT MAYBE IT'S EVEN THAT SAY, WELL, IT'S TEMPORARY. OR, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T HAVE TO SIT TIGHT WHERE THE CASE OF THE CRIME AND STUFF, WOULDN'T IT BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO BE IN CHARGE, RIGHT? YES, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S TRUE. SO, I MEAN, WE'RE ROLLING. YEAH. I SAY PHASE IT OUT ALSO. YEAH. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. I LIKE TO PHASE IT OUT. I DO FEEL THOUGH THAT IF WE, IF WE, IF Y'ALL DECIDE TO PHASE IT OUT, THAT WE NEED TO LEAVE THE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE PRESENTLY ONLY AS GRANDFATHERED AGAIN. AND THEN LET'S JUST SAY THAT THEY SELL THEIR HOME. AND IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, WE HIGHLIGHT DEBT THAT THEY HAVE THIS DAWN LIGHT. AND IF THAT CHANGES HANDS, THEN AT THAT POINT WORK ORDER COMES TO THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT. WE GO THROUGH REMOVE THE DUST AND THAT'S ONE OFF THE BOOK CENTER LATER AT ALL. JUST KIND OF THINGS NOW. AND WE NEED TO, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. UM, AND THERE'S STILL SOME THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IF SOMEONE WERE TO BE LOOKING FOR A HOME PURCHASE A HOME AND THEY SAW THAT THEY MAY THINK THAT THAT MAY COME WITH THE HOUSE, UM, AS WELL. AND SO THERE, THERE MAY BE SOME MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS THAT, UH, COUNCIL ALLOWS US TO GO AHEAD AND FINALIZE IT, BUT BECAUSE THEY'D HAVE TO PAY THE MONTHLY FEE. YEAH. THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY THE LEVEL OF 78. YES. WELL, THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THAT LIGHT IS SEPARATE FROM HER OR GET RID OF THEM COVER THAT. YUP. YUP. IT SEEMS CHEAP. YEAH, THAT IS, YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN LED LIGHT, SO IT'S VERY IMPATIENT AS WELL. AND SEE, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS. NOW WE HAVE ALL THE NEW LED LIGHTS AND OF COURSE THEY DON'T HAVE BLOOMS OR THE LED LIGHT, IT'S ALL FLAT. WHEREAS IT USED TO HAVE A BIG BLUE AROUND IT AS Y'ALL SEE STEEL, SOME OF THE STREET WHERE HE WAS ABLE TO PUT A CAGE IN THERE, REFLECTOR, YOU KNOW, SO WHEN YOU DID HAVE A COMPLAINT, THIS REFLECTOR KIND OF STOP THE NEIGHBORS THAT, THAT HAS CHANGED AND THERE'S NO BOARD. SO IF THERE IS, UH, I CAN, I CAN FORESEE A SITUATION WHERE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS ARE CONFRONTED BECAUSE OF CHANGES THAT ARE REALLY, UM, TOWNS FALL, I GUESS, FOR THE DONING CHANGES OR WHATEVER ELSE WHERE SUDDENLY THE NATURE OF A PROPERTY CHANGES ENOUGH, WHERE THERE IS LEGITIMATE, UM, YOU'RE CONCERNED WITH CRIME OR INGRESS OR WHATEVER ELSE, TRESPASSING WHERE THIS COULD BE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, UH, JUSTIFIABLE. SO I WONDER IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE COULD DO MAKE AN EXCEPTION OR SOME WAY FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE A CASE THAT YOU STOPPED PUBLIC SAFETY. WELL, THAT'S, YEAH, I GUESS WE'LL REVOLVER, BUT I THINK NUMBER FOUR, IF WE COULD DO THAT WITH THE ONE, WITH THE ONE WITH THE, YEAH. I WOULD SAY THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS THINKING TOO. PEOPLE DID FEEL LIKE THEY, PEOPLE DID FEEL LIKE, CAUSE I HAVE HEARD PEOPLE SAY, OH, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE STREET LIGHTS ON OUR STREET OR WHATEVER. I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY, BUT, BUT, UM, BUT YEAH, [00:45:01] I DO THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD CONSIDERATION, BUT I FEEL LIKE PROBABLY THAT CUSTOMER WOULD HAVE REACHED OUT TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO START WITH, WITH THE CRAMP. AND THEN AS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT EVALUATES THAT SITUATION, MAYBE THEY REACH OUT TO US AND SAY, IS THERE SOMETHING YOU CAN DO? IT MIGHT BE THE PROPER CHAIN OF EVENTS DEFINITELY INSTALLED. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. SO WE WILL ELIMINATE THE ORDERS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANKS, DOUG DOES IT DOES. WE'LL GET TO THAT. OKAY. NEXT CLOSE, UH, CHECK REPORT WITH ME. UM, SO I KNOW WE HAD CHANGED THIS A WHILE BACK, UM, WITH, UH, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AGENDA. UM, IT MAYOR DID WANT TO GO IN THERE OR IF THEY DIDN'T WANT TO ASK. UM, BUT I, UH, I FEEL THAT, UH, WE PROBABLY MOVED BACK TO MAJORITY OF COUNCIL. UM, SO WE ALL KEEP ADDING THINGS TO THE AGENDA THAT, UH, WILL NOT GO ANYWHERE OR WE KEEP REHASHING THINGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. UM, I WAS THINKING IT TO TWO WORK SESSIONS ONLY CAUSE IT'S FOR BASICALLY DISCUSSIONS INSTEAD OF ADDING ITEMS TO OUR 12 WEEKS. SO MY THOUGHTS WERE, UM, TWO FOR A WORK SESSION DISCUSSION WOULD BE FINE, BUT NOT FOR AN OFFICIAL MEETING AGENDA. AND MY OTHER THOUGHTS THAT CAME UP WITH, UM, IF WE GET INTO POSITION LIKE WE DID BEFORE, WHERE HER LEGAL COUNSEL IS SAYING, UM, THIS ISN'T ENFORCEABLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT SHOULD NEVER MAKE IT TO AN AGENDA UNTIL WE STUDIED THE ISSUE MORE. IF WE NEED TO GET IT, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WANT IT WHEN A SECOND OPINION FROM A MUNICIPALITY LAWYER OR SOMETHING FINE. BUT WE, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE PUTTING THINGS ON THE AGENDA THAT WE CAN'T LEGALLY ENFORCE. WELL, I KNOW WE DISCUSSED THINGS ON WORK SESSIONS. WE USUALLY GET A CONSENSUS TO BE BAKED FOR. I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD THAT WE KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO GO ANYWHERE RIGHT. TO WASTE VALUABLE TIME. THE OTHER ISSUES ARE THINGS THAT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SO WORK SESSIONS. DO YOU, DO YOU THINK TWO WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR WORK SESSION DISCUSSION? CAUSE THEN YOU CAN KIND OF TALK TO EVERYBODY AT THE TABLE AND THEN TO SEE IF IT GOES TO THE NEXT LEVEL TO THE ACTUAL MEETING NEEDS A MAJORITY CONSENSUS. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW. IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS, BUT I'M STUCK. I'M STUCK ONE A MAJORITY, BECAUSE I THINK IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS POINTING TO THE, MAJORITY'S GOING TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, WANT TO HEAR IT, CAN, I THINK ONLY, LIKE YOU SAID, TWO WORK SESSIONS. YEAH. BEFORE I, UM, TOOK THE STEP OF RUNNING FOR OFFICE, I ASKED, UH, WHAT WAS INVOLVED IN MY RUNNING FOR THAT OFFICE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WAS THAT I UNDERSTOOD BEFORE I DECIDED WHICH OFFICE I WOULD PUT MY HAT IN FOR. AND BEFORE I MADE THE DECISION TO RUN FOR THE OFFICE WAS WHAT IS INVOLVED IN GETTING A DISCUSSION STARTED AND RULES ARE, AND HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS THAT TWO PEOPLE ON THE TOWN COUNCIL CAN PUT FORTH AN AGENDA I'M NOT FINISHED. I JUST WANT TO SAY IT HAS BEEN FOR YEARS. IT WAS JUST CHANGED IN LIKE, UH, WE, THE LAST YEAR, 2019, JUST 2021. SO THAT'S TWO YEARS. SO I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU SAID YEARS, LIKE IN LIKE MANY YEARS. OKAY. SO, AND SO I PUT MY HEAD IN TO BE PART OF A DISCUSSION AND I THINK THAT, UM, WITH TWO PEOPLE BEING ON IN AGREEMENT THAT SOME THINGS SHOULD BE ON AN AGENDA THAT IS ENOUGH TO TAKE, UH, UH, DISCUSSION FROM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE DEVELOPMENT PHASE INTO THE DISCUSSION PHASE, WHETHER IT'S AT THE, UM, WORK SESSION OR IF IT'S PUTTING FORWARD FOR, UH, I MEAN, IT REALLY KIND OF SHOCKED AT THE, AT THE, UH, LANGUAGE TO DESCRIBING, UM, OUR CITIZENS COMING BEFORE US AND DISCUSSING AN IDEA AS A WASTE OF TIME. UM, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S A WASTE OF TIME AT ALL. I ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN THAT PROCESS WHERE THE CITIZENS COME FORWARD AND THEY GIVE THEIR THOUGHTS. AND WE'RE THINKING ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING AND ADJUSTING YOUR OWN OPINIONS BASED ON, ON THEIR, THEIR FEEDBACK. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE THAT WE REPRESENT, UM, TO PUT FORWARD IDEAS THROUGH THEIR [00:50:01] ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES, IF WE'RE GONNA JUST, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A MINORITY, UH, UH, AN IDEA THAT HAS MINORITY OF COUNCIL, LIKE EVEN HER BEFORE, UM, IN A REGULAR SESSION. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST COMPLETELY, REALLY CUTTING OFF THE, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT WE REPRESENT, WHAT HAPPENED, UM, YOU KNOW, EARLIER THIS MONTH, I GUESS IT WAS LAST MONTH WAS TWO PEOPLE ON THIS COUNCIL RECOGNIZED THAT THERE IS A NEED IN THIS COMMUNITY AND WE PUT IT FORWARD AND THE COMMUNITY RESPONDED BY MAKING LIKE REALLY ELOQUENT CASE. WHAT WAS IT, 50 TO TWO IN FAVOR OF AN IDEA, UH, THAT WE DECIDED NOT TO DO THAT FULL PROCESS HAVE VALUE. UM, AND IF YOU GO BACK TO THE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT BY EMAIL, UM, THAT ALSO WAS COMPLETELY LOPSIDED AND THAT THAT PROCESS HAS VALUE. I DO NOT THINK THAT WE SHOULD EVEN CONSIDER ENTERTAINED MESSING WITH THAT PROCESS. IF THERE ARE TWO PEOPLE, I WOULD, I WOULD BE AN ADVOCATE FOR DROPPING IT DOWN TO ONE FOR THE WORK SESSIONS WE NEED TO BE. IF WE CAN'T, IF WE CAN'T HANDLE A DISCUSSION, HONEST DISCUSSION ON THE MERITS, THEN WE'RE NOT IN THE RIGHT BUSINESS. UH, WELL, I'LL SAY THIS AS SCOTT, UM, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS SEVERAL TIMES IN WORK SESSIONS. UM, AND I MEAN OVER AND OVER AGAIN, YOU KNEW THAT THE VOTES WERE GOING TO BE THERE TO PASS AN ORDINANCE. AND, UM, THAT'S IT. I'M SORRY. NOW I'M SPEAKING. SO, UM, AND YOU SAID, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR CONSTITUENTS SHOW UP, UH, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS SECTION. THEY CAN COME AND SPEAK ANYTIME. THEY WANT TO LOOK AT OUR MEETINGS. ANYTIME THEY WANT, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE ON THE AGENDA FOR THEM TO COME TO SPEAK. AND YOU SAID IT WAS 50 TO TWO, HOW MANY OTHER 50 THAT SPOKE ACTUALLY LIVED IN WARREN COUNTY? 14, 14 WITH FIVE. THAT WAS QUESTIONED. OKAY. SO LET'S JUST SAY 1920. OKAY. 1920 OUR CONSTITUENTS. SO IT WASN'T 50. UM, SO, UM, AND I'M NOT MISTAKEN. WE SAT HERE AT THIS TABLE BEFORE AND ABOUT MOVING THIS THING FORWARD. AND AFTER YOU HEARD, HEARD THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES TO MOVE IT FORWARD. UM, AND I THINK YOU HAD SAID BEFORE, YOU DIDN'T CARE, IF YOU WERE THE ONLY ONE VOTING BOARD, YOU WANTED IT ON THE AGENDA. AND I SAID, AFTER ALL THAT DISCUSSION, I SAID, OKAY, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT WANTS TO MOVE THIS FORWARD? NOT EVEN YOU RAISED YOUR HAND, THEN YOU BROUGHT IT BACK UP AGAIN. SO YOU WOULD SAY, AND THAT WAS AFTER WE HAD SAID THAT, THAT WE NEEDED MORE FROM THE LEGAL SO MUCH. IT'S LIKE WE WASTED A LOT OF TIME WHEN SOMETHING THAT WE KNEW WE COULDN'T WASTE THE TIME THAT I'M TALKING RIGHT NOW. NOW, NOW IT'S MY TURN TO TALK. YOU ALREADY SPOKE. SO WE ALREADY HAD OUR LEGAL COUNSEL. ALL RIGHT, YOU'RE AN ATTORNEY, BUT ARE, ARE YOU OUR ATTORNEY? NO, YOU'RE NOT. YOU'RE A TOWN COUNCIL MEMBER REPRESENTING THE TOWN OF FORT ROYAL, BUT WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY THAT GIVES US HIS LEGAL OPINION. IF WE CAN AFFORD THINGS OR NOT, HE'S DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH ON IT. HE SPENT MANY, MANY HOURS FOR YOU, ONE OF THE ISSUE AND HE'S COME BACK AGAIN AND AGAIN, AND THAT WE CAN'T ENFORCE IT. IF WE COULD ENFORCE IT, IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE PASSED. UM, I REALLY THINK HE WOULD HAVE PASSED, BUT YOU DIDN'T WANT A RESOLUTION. YOU DIDN'T WANT A RESOLUTION THEN LATER ON, YOU SAID AFTER THE FACT, SO THIS IS ALL ABOUT THIS. THIS IS NOT ABOUT PROCESS. THIS IS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED LAST MONTH. THIS IS NOT ABOUT LIKE WHAT COULD COME UP IN THE FUTURE, DOG, WALKING, WHATEVER ELSE. THIS IS JUST ABOUT PUNISHING ME OR EXPERIENCE, RIGHT? IT'S A LEARNING EXPERIENCE. WE NEVER HAD THIS SITUATION BEFORE NOW. WE'VE HAD A SITUATION WHERE WE, WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE A MINORITY OF COUNCIL, BROUGHT SOMETHING BEFORE COUNCIL, THE PEOPLE SHOWED UP AND SPOKE TO THE COUNCIL AND THE, AND THE COUNCIL I HAD TO THINKING THE BIGGER PICTURE, THE BIGGER PICTURE IS NOT ENFORCEABLE. RIGHT? SO, AND YOU ALREADY . SO, SO THAT IS, UH, EXPERIENCE SCOTT, UM, THAT ANYTHING THAT GOES THROUGH YOUR OWN WORK SESSION, IF THERE IS NOT A MAJORITY FROM COUNSEL, IT DOES NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. AND BEFORE, BEFORE, LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU THE REASON IT CHANGED SCOTT BEFORE WHEN COUNCIL THERE, WE HAD A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL THAT, THAT ONE ITSELF IN TO MOVE FORWARD OR MOVE FORWARD. I THINK IT SHOULD DESERVE A VOTE, BUT THE MAYOR WOULD NOT PUT IT ON THE [00:55:01] AGENDA. WE'RE GOING BACK TO THAT. WE'RE GOING BACK TO THAT. SO YOU'RE NOT TWO PEOPLE, TWO PEOPLE, SCOTT, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT BEING DONE IN MY OPINION, AS A PUNISHMENT TO YOU. LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S NOT THAT WAY, BUT I THINK THAT MOVING FORWARD. YEP, YEP. THERE IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL DOES NOT HAVE A MAJORITY FLOOR OR HAS NO APPETITE, EVEN IF IT'S THREE TO THREE. OKAY. LET'S MOVE IT TO, BUT IT WON'T CAUSE WE NEED A MAJORITY THREE TO THREE IS NOT A MAJORITY. WELL, THIS IS WHAT I'M SAYING. EVEN IF IT'S THREE TO THREE, YOU KNOW, AMERICAN CAN BREAK THE TIE IF HE WANTS, BUT IF IT'S NOT GOING TO GO ANYWHERE, YOU KNOW, RESPECTFULLY. AND I'LL JUST SAY THAT, I MEAN THAT ALWAYS, UM, RESPECTFULLY THEN WE'RE, WE'RE SETTLING FOR LIKE A COMPLETE FORM OF, OF TOWN GOVERNMENT WHERE, WHERE, WHERE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS JUST DON'T MATTER. THAT WHERE PEOPLE . YEAH. BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS I DO NOW PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA THAT PEOPLE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO SHOW UP TO SPEAK FOR AND HOW THE PLAN FOR THAT, THAT TOOK A LOT OF EFFORT FOR PEOPLE TO TOO MANY CAME INTO TOWN. YES, YES. THEY WERE OUT OF TOWN, BUT THEY WERE THERE SPEAKING TO SOMETHING THAT, THAT MATTERS TO OUR TOWN. MY GOSH, WE HAVE OUR EDA. YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE IN TOWN TO, TO BE ON THE EDA. THIS PEOPLE WERE ROUTE FROM THE COUNTY. PEOPLE COME HERE TO WORK IN THE TOWN. IT, IT MATTERS TO THEM AT ALL. IT ALL SPOKE DIRECTLY TO THE ISSUE AT HAND. BUT IN ANY CASE, LIKE WE SHOULD NOT BE MAKING IT HARDER FOR PEOPLE TO, UH, SPEAK TO AN ISSUE. UH, AND, AND TO, TO, WE SHOULD NOT BE TAKING ANTI-DEMOCRATIC STEPS JUST BECAUSE, UM, PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE THE WAY DISCUSSION WITH WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT OPEN PROCESS. I LIKE IT. I WOULD DROP IT DOWN TO ONE FOR WORK SESSIONS BECAUSE I LIKE OPENNESS. I LIKED THE DISCUSSIONS WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HEAR FROM EACH OTHER. AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A DISCUSSION SESSION ON, ON THIS AGENDA THAT DROPPED OFF. FIRST TIME SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE, ON, ON COUNCIL, WAS THAT DELIVER IS THIS IS IT'S A CLERICAL MISTAKE OR SOMETHING OVER AND OVER. I'VE GOT, I'VE GOTTEN THE TWO VOTES. UH, AND AS YOU KNOW, THINGS WERE DELAYED OR SOMETHING ELSE. AND THE RESPONSE I GOT WAS LIKE, WELL, BRING IT UP DURING A DISCUSSION SESSION. SO I DO THAT. AND NOW THERE'S NO DISCUSSION SESSION. SO WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? WHAT IS GOING ON? I DO THINK THAT'S CLEAR. WE CAN ADD THAT DISCUSSION. YOU BRING UP SOMETHING DURING THE DISCUSSION PERIODS, I CAN LEAD TO A LENGTHIER DISCUSSION AND IT MIGHT NOT BE, IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO BE PRINTED AND IT WASN'T QUITE FINISHED. I HAVE NO PROBLEM IF TOO, IF YOU CAN FIND TWO, TWO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL TO BRING SELF INTO A WORK SESSION, THAT'S FINE. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT. BUT TO MOVE SOMETHING TO THE REGULAR AGENDA, IT SHOULD HAVE A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL BEFORE IT MOVES FORWARD. PEOPLE DON'T SHOW UP. PEOPLE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE ROOM TO SHOW UP TO WORK SESSION. PEOPLE CAN PHONE, OR PEOPLE CAN SHOW UP AT THE PUBLIC MEETING AND SPEAK ABOUT IT. OR YOU CAN ALSO I'VE DONE IT BEFORE. IS IF SOMETHING CAME UP ON A WORK SESSION AND LET'S SAY, YOU BROUGHT UP THAT WASN'T HERE. YOU CAN TELL YOUR CONSTITUENTS, HEY, I BROUGHT THIS UP IN A WORK SESSION. WE'D LOVE TO HEAR YOU COME TALK AT THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO IT PUBLICLY. RIGHT. UM, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY TOO, WITHOUT PUTTING SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA TO VOTE ON, BECAUSE MAYBE WE'RE NOT AT THE VOTING STEP MAYBE, BUT WE'RE STILL IN THE RECEIVING INFORMATION STEP. SO WORK SESSION, WE DISCUSSED IT, WE BROUGHT IT UP. NOW WE WANT TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE. SO INVITE YOUR PEOPLE TO COME OUT. WE'LL INVITE OUR PEOPLE TO COME OUT AND SPEAK OR WHATEVER. AND THEN MAYBE AFTER THAT, WE TAKE IT BACK TO A WORK SESSION. LIKE WE'VE DONE SOME TIMES AT CERTAIN ISSUES THAT ARE BIGGER. THEY STAY IN WORK SESSION FOR A LITTLE BIT. RIGHT. AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FROM THERE TO A VOTING POSITION. UM, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MOVE TO A VOTING. SO ARE YOU GOING TO DESK? I KEEP IT IN THE TWO FOR WORK SESSIONS. NO. WELL, ALL RIGHT. WELL, ANYBODY ELSE? I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UM, I WOULD BE CONCERNED IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A PUBLIC PORTION, BUT WE DO HAVE A POPE ONLY BECAUSE WITH GOD JUST GROWING UP, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYBODY WATCHING THIS DOESN'T THINK THAT WE'RE SUGGESTING THERE SHOULDN'T BE PUBLIC INPUT BECAUSE UM, [01:00:01] PEOPLE CAN SPEAK EVERY MEETING. AND HONESTLY, I WAS GOING TO SAY, WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, THERE WERE THE, ALL THAT, THERE WAS AN ISSUE THAT CAME UP IN THE COMMUNITY AND THEY GATHERED MORE THAN ONE PERSON THAT CAME AND SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC OR IN A PUBLIC PARK. AND THEN WE ENDED UP THAT BECAME SOMETHING THAT WE TOOK BACK TO WORK SESSION AND TALKED ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE REALIZED, OKAY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT OR THEY EMAILED US FOR THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT ANYBODY NOT THINK WE'RE SUGGESTING THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THEY DO. AND I, I I'M, I'D BE GOOD WITH, EVEN WHEN GARY SAID, EVEN IF IT WAS ONE PERSON TO BRING IT TO THE WORK SESSION, BUT FOR AN ACTION. I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT, THE WORK SESSION AND, AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK WE'RE READY TO TAKE ACTION ON IT. MAYBE WE'RE NOT, MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WE TALK ABOUT AND TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT MONTH TO GATHER INFORMATION. WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE WHERE THE VESSEL EVENTS. YEAH. YOU CAN KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS FOR WORK SESSIONS, BUT DON'T KNOW, ADDING TO MEETINGS UNLESS IT'S GONE THROUGH A WORK SESSION AND THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL, IT IT'S A RIGHT. AND ACTION, ACTUALLY, EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT ONE, THE SESSIONS ADDING TWO NUMBERS FOR WORK SESSIONS. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, UH, OPEN DISCUSSION. ANYTHING, ANYBODY YOU JUST WANTED TO BRING UP? THE SECOND OPINION WE'VE DISCUSSED, UH, WHO'S CANCELED IN THE MIDDLE OF LAST WEEK. SO I GUESS IT WAS THE LAST, UH, SO IT WAS A SPECIAL SESSION, A WORK SESSION. IT WAS AGREED. WE WERE GOING TO GET A SECOND OPINION ON THE, UH, MEDICAL FREEDOM WARNING. THIS, WE WERE TEEING UP WHERE YOU'RE HAVING THE DISCUSSION. AND IF WE, AT THE END OF LAST WEEK, SUDDENLY THAT WHOLE IDEA WAS WHAT'S GOING ON. WHY DO YOU THINK IT WAS ABANDONED CARE COUNCIL? I THINK THIS SHOULD BE A CLOSED DISCUSSION ABOUT POTENTIAL LITIGATION. THAT'S FINE. BUT THERE ARE ELEMENTS THAT HAVE WE ALREADY DISCUSSED IN PUBLIC ABOUT THIS VERY IDEA WAS DISCUSSED IN CLOSED. UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? OH, THE BEGINNINGS ON, UH, UH, I WANT TO START THIS BACK UP. UH, ME AND LAURIE, UM, I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS AND I THINK HE RUN THE COUNCIL. UM, I THINK, UM, UM, I THINK IT WILL BE GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF WE, WE HAVE GOT TO GET ALONG WITH THE COUNTY. WE'VE GOT TO, AND I KNOW I'VE SAID THIS TO SEVERAL OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. YOU KNOW, IT HAS BEEN LIKE THIS SINCE I WAS A KID AND I REMEMBER IT WELL, YOU KNOW, IT WAS BACK AND FORTH. IT'S GOT TO COME TO A NATIVE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WE'VE GOT TO FIND A WAY AND FIND COMMONALITIES. AND, AND LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, UH, MANY OF US ARE WORKING FOR FURTHER THAT FURTHER TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE TRANSPORTATION AND DELORES NOW, OR WORKING FOR THE, UM, DRUG PREVENTION AND DRUG COURT FAMILY COURT. UM, WE ALL HAVE GOT TO FIND A WAY TO BE ABLE TO GET ALONG TO PLAY. NICE. AND, UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO GET UP, I WOULD LIKE TO START THIS, UH, BACKUP ABILITY LIAISON COMMITTEE. I JUST LIKE TO OPEN IT BACK UP TO EVERYBODY AND SEE, YEAH. I HAVE AN APPETITE FOR THAT. UM, YEAH. YES. DID WE, DO WE NEED TO, DO WE NEED TO, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT IN LIKE AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER OR WHATEVER DO WE NEED TO, WHEN DO WE NEED TO PUT THINGS ON, DO WE HAVE TO, WHY DON'T WE STEVE AND GET WITH ED AND LET THEM DISCUSS IT AND FIGURE OUT, OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. AND IN SEPTEMBER IT WILL BE, AND THERE'LL BE A COUNCIL MEMBER. COCKRELL WILL BE ON IT. BUT BEFORE THAT, THAT WE'VE GOT THAT. I THINK, AS I RECALL [01:05:01] FROM WORK, WE HAVE TO ADD WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO AN AGENDA. YEAH. RIGHT, RIGHT. DON'T WE HAVE TO GO. YEAH. JUST RIGHT NOW. NOT RIGHT NOW. CAN YOU PULL WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO FOR THAT ONE LIAISON AND SEND THAT TO US AND THEN WE CAN EDIT FROM THERE. SEE, WHAT'S STILL, YEAH. SEE WHAT'S STILL RELEVANT. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. JUST ADD LEGAL TRACK CLOSED SESSION THAT IS ALREADY THERE. OH, IT DID. OKAY. AND THEY PERSONNEL WISE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AT THE REGULAR MEETINGS TO ENSURE IT WAS FUN. JUST TO BRING OUT THE SPEED CAUSE OF THE, UM, ALL THAT ROBBIE KIND OF BRINGING UP TO SPEED ABOUT OUR POTENTIAL NEXT WEEK, UH, WATER CONSERVATION. CAUSE WE WANTED TO SHARE WHERE WE ARE, WHAT THAT WILL MEAN. GIVE IN ADVANCE OF RELEASING IT. SHOULD WE GO WITH A WATER CONSERVATION NOTICE? YEAH. WE'RE IN A VOLUNTARY RIGHT NOW. UM, ONCE WE HIT 2040, THAT CASE IT IN THE MANDATORY, UM, WHEN YOU WERE 360, WHAT WAS THAT? 66, 360 6 THIS MORNING. IT'S SADLY DROPPING. IF WE DON'T GET ANY RAIN, PROBABLY THIS WEEK BY THE WEEKEND BEING NEXT WEEK, WE'LL BE IN MANDATORY WATERS LAST NIGHT DID. NOW I'M BEING, IT WAS GOLLY WASHERS LAB. FIRST TIME WE HAD WAS SEPTEMBER, 2017 WAS THE LAST TIME WE HAD MANDATORY STEADILY. LIKE I SAID, DROP IT. SO YOU USUALLY DON'T GET THIS LOO ROBBIE UNTIL LATE AUGUST, EARLY SEPTEMBER EARLY. AND IT'S RIGHT. IT'S LIKE MR. HICKS HAS BEEN TO THAT 2017, SEPTEMBER, 2017. I HAVEN'T MOVED MY GRASS. RIGHT. AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO. RIGHT. I MEAN, I'M SAYING OBVIOUSLY NOT, NO I'M SAYING IT'S MOTHER NATURE AND WEATHER. IT'S NOT LIKE WE USED LESS WATER. WE'RE GOING TO SOMEHOW KEEP THAT FROM GOING DOWN. YEAH. LIKE THE BALANCER, WE ASKED HER RIGHT FROM THAT. AND, AND FOR, YOU KNOW, NOT TO YOU, NOT WORST CARD ORDERED RANCH, YOU KNOW, LIKE SOME THINGS LIKE WE REACHED OUT TO THE COUNTY ABOUT THE SPLASH PAD, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN THINGS THEY CAN DO, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. OH. LIKE OUR FLOWERS WE'VE BEEN TRYING NOT TO ORDER MAYBE WHAT WE HAVE TO AND TRY TO DO IT EARLY, YOU KNOW? SO THEY'LL TAKE AS MUCH WATER, YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT. OKAY. THAT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME LAST NIGHT TO, UH, UM, ROBERT LINDSAY WITH BROKENHEARTED GOT TO GET THE BREAK AND I ENDED UP YEAH, THEY CLOSED THE SPLASH PAD. ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S ANOTHER PART OF THE MANDATORY IS THAT RESTAURANTS WOULDN'T SERVE WATER UNLESS THEY REQUESTED THAT THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT MANDATORY, RIGHT? YES. AND THEN ON THE 23RD, UH, LAUREN AND KATHLEEN AND ALYSSA, THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF NEGOTIATING WITH CONSULTANTS FOR THEIR COMPREHENSIVE OF, AND ON THE 23RD, I'M HOPING WE BRING IT TO YOU TO AWARD THE CONTRACT HEADS UP ON THAT. AND THEN MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, I WILL BE A ELECTRIC CITIES CONFERENCE. I'M JUST MAKING MY ROUNDS, MEETING THE FOLKS THAT WE INTERACT ON THE ENTERPRISE AREA. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE JUST READ US OUT. RIGHT. I'M GOING TO TELL THE COUNCIL GO INTO CLAY'S MEETING PERSON WHO DOES SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 11 AND THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE, PURPOSE, MINT APPOINTMENT, PERMISSION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICER'S APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES ON PUBLIC BODY UNDER SUBSECTION 8.1. GOT IT. GOT IT. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. JUST MAKING SURE SECOND. SORRY. YES. COUNCILMAN LOYD. ABSENT COUNCILMAN'S HOUSE THEN. YES. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.