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          [Town Council Work Session on July 12, 2021.]
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WHAT WAS IT WHERE WE STARTED OFF IN MAY PROBABLY HAVE BEFORE YOU, AND DID POLICIES AND PROCEDURES FOR SPECIAL EVENTS, THE RESERVATION TO BE HAS BEEN CHANGED TO MATCH THE EVENTS YOU ADDED A CLOSURE FOR THOSE REQUESTS, YOU CALL IT PRESSURE EXPOSURES, UH, A COMMUNITY GATHERING THE DEFINITION. 
          AND IT'S A CATEGORY OF AN EVENT, UH, FOR THOSE EVENTS WHO WITH SCORE LESS THAN 33 ON THE MATRIX, WE ADDED MORE DEFINITIONS, UH, PARADES AND RACES ARE GOING TO REQUIRE A SEPARATE APPLICATION AND AN, A SECTION FOR THOSE EVENTS THAT DO NOT REQUIRE A PERMIT. 
          SO WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THE APPLICATION AND THE AFTER ACTION REPORT, UM, IF TOWN, COUNCIL, CREATIVES, UM, THAT'S JUST, HOW DID THE NEW POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, HOW INTO EFFECT SEPTEMBER ONE, A LOT OF STAFF TO COMPLETE THE APPLICATION AND PETS ATTACHMENTS ARE BASED ON THE APPROVAL OF THE POSITIVE FEATURES OF THE PATIENT WOULD PROGRESS WITH. 
          DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? SHOULD WE, UM, I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, BUT, BUT, UM, SOME OF THEM WERE LIKE, UM, JUST LITTLE THINGS, LIKE PAGE THREE, WHERE IT SAID, LIKE, WHAT COULD IT DO TO MAKE IT BETTER? AND I WAS KINDA LIKE, WELL, WHAT IF IT WAS ALREADY GOOD? LIKE, WHAT IF IT WAS ALREADY A GREAT EVENT, LIKE WOULD BE, UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THEM. 
          AND THEN LIKE PAGE FIVE 50 BEING NONREFUNDABLE FOR THAT, WHICH THE FEET, IT FACT, LIKE IT CAN BE RETURNED IF IT'S CANCELED WITHIN 24 TO 48 HOURS. 
          SO I'M JUST WONDERING, LIKE, IF SOMEBODY RESERVED IT AND THEN THEY FOUND OUT 24 HOURS BEFORE IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, THAT IT WASN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          LIKE I GET, I GET REFUNDING SOME OF THE FEE, BUT THEN I ALSO FEEL LIKE, BUT THEN IT WAS ON THE CALENDAR, WHICH PREVENTED ANYBODY ELSE FROM BEING ABLE TO USE IT. 
          YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE, I MEAN, I, I JUST, THAT WAS MY ONLY THOUGHT IS THAT, THAT, UM, IT BASICALLY BOOKED UP THE SPACE AND NO ONE ELSE COULD HAVE USED IT. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN MAYBE SOME KIND OF FRAMEWORK WHERE LIKE, IT'S REFUNDED, LIKE IF IT'S WEATHER OR SOME UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT JUST BECAUSE AT THE LAST MINUTE IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE IT WAS GONNA FLY, YOU KNOW, THEN WE'VE DOES THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE AT ALL? I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO SOUND, UM, I'M JUST THINKING LIKE THAT, THAT IT COULD BE THAT THERE WAS SOMEBODY ELSE THAT WANTED TO USE IT THAT SAME EVENING AND COULDN'T BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE RESERVED IT. 
          AND THEN I DON'T KNOW, I, THAT THAT WAS, AND THEN ALSO LIKE ON PAGE FIVE AND DIFFERENT EVENTS SAID THE PERMITS GOING TO BE ISSUED WITHIN 15 DAYS OR 30 DAYS. 
          UM, AND I WAS THINKING IN MY HEAD, LIKE IF I WAS, IF THAT WAS MY EVENT, I WOULD WANT TO KNOW SOONER THAN 15 DAYS AHEAD, WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS A GO OR NOT. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE ADVERTISING OR I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON THE EVENT THAT'S UM, WELL, YOU'LL HAVE THE PERMANENT PHYSICALLY IN YOUR EM'S DIDN'T HAVE NECESSARILY THE APPROVAL PROCESS. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. 
          LIKE, CERTAINLY THEY'RE NOT WAITING UNTIL 15 DAYS FOR TO SAY, YEAH, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          AND THEN RIGHT. 
          A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE THAT PHYSICAL PERMIT AND THEIR SHIRTS. 
          NO, I GET THAT RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SWITCH YOU'RE SAYING IS THEY WOULD KNOW SOONER THAN 15 DAYS, WHETHER OR NOT THE EVENT WAS NOT APPROVED OR NOT. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND COULD YOU GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF UNLIMITED EVENTS AND RECURRING EVENTS LIKE THAT KEPT COMING UP IN, UM, THE DOCUMENT, AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          OUR RECURRING EVENT WOULD BE AN EVENT THAT IS HELD, UM, WHICH IS A MONTH OR SO, UM, THE SAME TYPE OF EVENT. 
          SO AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE GOOD PEOPLE GATHERING OR RECURRING EVENT THAT IS AN EVENT THAT THE TOWN SPONSORS. 
          SO THAT IS HOW THAT IS A GREEN LINE FOR THAT EVENT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHAT, AND THERE WAS ANOTHER THING WHERE IT TALKED ABOUT UNLIMITED, LIKE PROHIBITED LIMITED. 
          YES. 
          MEANING LIKE, JUST THAT THEY COULDN'T HAVE THEM MULTIPLE TIMES OR FOR 
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FEBRUARY IS IN THE PDF EXPERT. 
          I TYPED IN ALL THESE DIFFERENT COMMENTS AND THEY'RE NOT THERE. 
          OBVIOUSLY I NEED SOME TECHNOLOGY HELP, BUT, UM, IT WAS PAID BY, UM, IT ACTUALLY CAME UP SEVERAL TIMES. 
          UM, COMMUNITY GATHERING, UNLIMITED EVENTS ARE GRANTED. 
          AND THEN, UM, UNDER COMMUNITY RECURRING EVENTS ARE NOT ALLOWED. 
          AND THEN I'M LIKE UNDER TOURISM, RECURRING EVENTS ARE NOT ALLOWED. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I JUST, I KEPT SEEING SOME OF THOSE SAME WORDINGS AND I JUST WAS JUST WONDERING, I GUESS I WAS JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND IT. 
          AND THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER THINGS, BUT I'LL, I CAN EMAIL YOU LATER, LIKE A COUPLE LITTLE TYPOS THAT, THAT, THAT I WAS GOING TO THAT. 
          AND THERE WAS ONE OTHER QUESTION, SORRY, EVERYBODY. 
          BUT, UM, THERE'S A PART WHERE IT SAYS THE EVENT ORGANIZERS HAVE TO, UM, LET BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS KNOW. 
          AND I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK, HOW IS THAT ACCOMPLISHED? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IN ONE OF THE PUBLIC EVENTS THAT YOU, WHERE YOU GOT PUBLIC INPUT, THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP IS THAT PEOPLE, I FELT LIKE THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE THAT WERE COMPLAINING THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE. 
          SO MY QUESTION WAS THE WAY THE POLICY, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT PUTS IT BACK ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THEM THAT THEY'RE THE EVENT ORGANIZERS ARE SUPPOSED TO LET THEM KNOW, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING, HOW IS THIS ACCOMPLISHED? AND WOULD THEY BE GIVEN LIKE A CHECKLIST OF LIKE, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HIT EVERY BUSINESS? AND I'M OBVIOUSLY NOT EVERY RESIDENT BECAUSE THE RESIDENT THAT LIVE ABOVE THE BUSINESSES ON MAIN STREET, I MEAN, DO THEY LITERALLY HAVE TO KNOCK ON THEIR DOORS? OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? JUST A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA FOR NOTIFICATION. 
          SO A PHYSICAL NOTIFICATION WOULD BE LIKE THE TOWN NOTIFYING BUSINESSES. 
          SO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS GOING TO PUT OUT THE NO PARKING SIGNS, 48 HOURS IN ADVANCE OF A PARKING LOT CLOSURE OR A STREET CLOSURE RATHER THAN THE 24 HOURS IT WAS DONE BEFORE. 
          THIS WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A SHIFT THERE. 
          ALSO, WE HAVE A LIST SERVE FOR OUR SPECIAL EVENTS ON OUR WEBSITE. 
          SO WE WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL BUSINESSES TO SIGN UP FOR THAT LIST SEARCH. 
          SO THEY'RE NOTIFIED OF THE SPECIAL EVENTS. 
          SO THEY KNOW THESE ARE NEW EVENTS ARE CREATED, AND WE ARE ALSO CONSIDERING DOING A FILLABLE FORM THAT THE EVENT ORGANIZER COULD FILL IN. 
          AND THEN THAT FORM WOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY EMAILED TO A LIST OF INTERESTED PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE NOTIFIED ABOUT SPECIAL EVENTS, UM, BUSINESSES RESINATES. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. 
          LIKE, BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS, I FEEL LIKE THAT WAS, I THINK, RIGHT. 
          I'M TRYING TO THINK WHICH MEETING IT WAS, BUT SOMEBODY HAD SAID THAT LIKE SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ABOVE DIDN'T FIND, THEY WEREN'T FINDING OUT UNTIL, YOU KNOW, AND DIDN'T MOVE THEIR CARS OR W OR DIDN'T REALIZE, SO IS IT PHYSICAL PARKING SIGNS FROM THE PLACE, RIGHT. 
          CONSTANTLY MIRROR. 
          I GO CUSTOMER COCKWELL FIRST, BUT EVEN THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS GOING BACK TO THE RESERVATION FEE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION GOING BACK AND FORTH. 
          I DO KNOW LAST WORK SESSION WE HAD WITH COUNCIL, THERE WAS DISCUSSION THAT IT SHOULD BE NON-REFUNDABLE, UM, WHEN IT'S, WHENEVER IT'S COUNSELED AND STUFF. 
          AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS COUNCIL IS COUNCIL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS BECAUSE 24, 48 HOURS, UH, COULD POSSIBLY PEOPLE WAIT AROUND TO SEE THE WEATHER OR WHATEVER, UH, AND PROBABLY COULD PUT SOMETHING THERE, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, UH, COUNSEL IS COMFORTABLE WITH 24 48 HOURS, OR IF YOU COUNSEL, NO MATTER WHAT, IT'S NOT ON ME, BECAUSE I KNOW LAST TIME THERE WAS CONSENSUS SOME EXTENT, NO, FROM THE POLICE, THIS IS BASED ON SOME INPUT WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING AND THE TIMELINE TO MAKE IT EASIER TO HAVE TO CHANGE. 
          WELL, I DON'T SEE THAT BEING A PROBLEM FOR THE LARGER EVENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M NOT GONNA, THEY'RE NOT GONNA PULL OUT THE LAST SECOND LAST THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO, BUT THE SMALLER EVENTS, BUT THEN AGAIN, TOO, IF IT'S A SMALLER EVENT AND THERE'S PEOPLE MISSING OUT ON THE MONEY, I DUNNO. 
          I JUST WAS TRYING TO THINK IF THERE WAS SOME WAY TO BE LIKE, THESE COULD BE REASONS WHY WE WOULD REFUND YOUR MONEY, BUT JUST LIKE, BECAUSE AT THE LAST MINUTE YOU, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DUNNO. 
          I, LIKE I SAID, NOT MY ONLY THOUGHT WHEN I SAW THAT 
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WAS THAT IF MULTIPLE PEOPLE WERE INTERESTED IN THAT SPACE ON THE SAME EVENING, THE SAME WEEKEND, THE SAME, WHATEVER. 
          AND THEN IF I WOULD HAVE BEEN ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, AND THEN LATER OFF I'VE FOUND OUT THEY CANCELED THE EVENT, NOT BECAUSE OF WEATHER OR WHATEVER. 
          AND I THINK, YOU KNOW THAT, YEAH, IT'S FINE. 
          SO I WAS LOOKING AND I SEE THAT THERE'S A SMALLER RESERVATION FEE OF $25 OR $50 DEPENDING ON THE EVENT. 
          I THINK THAT SHOULD ALL BE $25. 
          AND THAT COULD VERY WELL BE NON-REFUNDABLE THE OTHER RESERVATION PIECE WHERE THERE WERE, WERE RESERVING WIRE AND ELECTRIC, I THINK SHOULD BE REFUNDABLE BECAUSE IF THEY CANCEL IT, THEY'RE NOT USING WATER OR ELECTRIC, BUT YOU CAN STILL KEEP THE $25 FEE FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE TASK OF CREATING THE EVENT AND SO FORTH. 
          NO, I, WELL, THEY TEND TO THAT. 
          IT'S JUST SOME PEOPLE CAN'T LOCK UP A DAY FOR, AND THEN NOT DO IT RIGHT. 
          AND TAKE AWAY FROM SOMEBODY ELSE. 
          NO, I GET IT. 
          I JUST THINK THAT IF YOU RESERVE IT, THEN YOU CAN FOR LIKE, LET'S SAY WHETHER YOU DIDN'T USE THE $200 WORTH OF ELECTRICITY OR WHY, OR WHY DO YOU HAVE TO PAY THAT? LIKE, BUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE PIECE BY ALL MEANS, KEEP THAT, I MEAN, IT'S $25. 
          I THINK THE COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY, IT LOOKS LIKE THE COMMUNITY GATHERING WAS 50. 
          I THINK THEY SHOULD ALL BE 25 THERE. 
          OH, WELL THAT'S DIFFERENT. 
          SORRY. 
          GATHERING WAS A 50. 
          THE COMMUNITY EVENT WAS A HUNDRED FOR WATER AND ELECTRICITY. 
          THERE'S NO BS, WHATEVER YOUR APPLICATION IS, THERE IS NO APPLICATION FEE, BUT THERE'S A FEE TO USE ELECTRIC WATER IS BASED ON USE. 
          THE RESERVATION FEE THOUGH IS DOING RIGHT NOW. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          CURRENTLY THE CURRENT, THIS IS THE PROPOSED, HOW'S THAT SAY? I'M SORRY. 
          WE HAVE MANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO COUNSEL OR HAVE WE HAD MANY PEOPLE THAT COUNSEL AND THAT'S BEEN IT. 
          THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION FOR TINA. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHO ELSE ANYBODY ELSE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT NUMBER EIGHT IS STAYS IN ROOM NIGHTS. 
          SO THE QUESTION IS DIRECTION ON THAT IN TERMS OF, ARE WE TRACKING THAT FOR THIS THING AS HOW DID THAT HE DIDN'T LOOK THERE. 
          HE'S NOT REALLY JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO, HOW DO WE MEASURE THAT THE MATRIX WILL BE FILLED OUT BASED ON THE APPLICATION AND ESTIMATE OF OVER NEXT DAY, UM, WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM TELL, TELLING THE FESTIVAL IS IN THE AFTER ACTION REPORT IS WHERE WE CAN CAPTURE THE TRUE NUMBERS. 
           THE BOARD WAS THE BOARD, EXCEPT IN THOSE NUMBERS. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER, BUT THEN HE IN HER PRESENTATION, UH, SAID THAT SHE'S STARTING TO DEVELOP, UH, WAYS THAT SHE CAN TRACK OVERNIGHT PACKAGES JUST TO BE THE CHOSEN, THE WATER AT THIS POINT, FOR THAT TYPE OF, UM, UH, MATRIX, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN USE. 
          I MEAN, KIND OF, AGAIN, I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF YOU DON'T REALLY, YOU CAN'T, THIS IS JUST AN ESTIMATED NUMBER FOR FILLING UP THE MATRIX, BUT LET'S SAY THIS, UM, EVENT ORGANIZER WANTED TO ASK HIM TO DO THE AFTER ACTION REPORT, UM, HAVE A FIRMED UP NUMBER, HOW MANY OVERNIGHT DAYS WERE INVOLVED OR HOW MANY OF THEM, WELL, WHAT I HEARD FROM, FROM THE CITIZENRY THAT CAME OUT LAST TIME REGARDING THE MATRIX WAS THE SUBJECTIVITY OF THESE, YOU KNOW, THE SCORING OF THIS. 
          AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, ATTENDED TO GET A COURSE THAT COULD ACTUALLY ACCURATELY BE PREDICTED OR, UM, THE FUTURE, WE ACTUALLY COLLECTED DATA. 
          BUT AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT FROM MORE FROM JLL ABOUT COLLECTING DATA IN TERMS OF THE EVENTS THEMSELVES NOW ATTRACTION. 
          AND JUST UNDERSTANDING IN MY OVERNIGHT STATE ISSUE IS THE FACT THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE PEOPLE STAYING? HOW ARE THEY GOING TO TRACK ANY DATA FOR STAYS? ARE THEY STAYING? THAT'S MY BIG QUESTION. 
          I KNOW THERE'S A TOPIC COMING UP. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          JUST WANT TO BRING THAT UP. 
          I KNOW THEY'RE THEIR DESTINATION TOURISM SPECIALTY. 
          SO, 
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UM, MAKING SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THIS. 
          SO IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T SCORE 33 ON THE MATRIX, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE DESIGNATED A COMMUNITY GATHERING. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, MOST LIKELY. 
          UM, DEPENDING ON THE ATTENDANCE IT'S THEY TEND TO, IT'S GEARED TOWARDS 25 PEOPLE A HUNDRED. 
          IT GOES FROM 25 TO 500 AND MORE THAN 500. 
          WAS IT BASED ON THE ATTENDANCE OR IS IT BASED ON THE SCORING ON THE MAP? IT MAKES ON THE SCORING, WHICH THEY TEND USE USE IS A CRITERIA THAT YOU CAN TWEAK YOUR NUMBERS TO MEET YOUR POINT GOAL. 
          IF YOU WANT IT TO, LIKE, IF I WAS REALLY HAVING AN EVENT FOR 25 PEOPLE, I COULD MAKE IT TIRE. 
          I CAN SAY IT TIRE ON MY PAPERWORK TO GET MORE POINTS AND THEN IT CAN JUST NOT BE, WELL, I GUESS MY, MY, MY, UH, QUESTION IS MORE LIKE, SO IF I, IF I WANT IT, I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY GETS 20 POINTS, FOR INSTANCE, UM, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEIR APPLICATION'S BEING DENIED. 
          IT JUST MEANS THAT THEY'RE CLASSIFIED AS A COMMUNITY GATHERING. 
          AND THEN, YEAH. 
          YEAH, THIS IS, UM, SO MAYBE THERE'S A DIFFERENT NUMBER THAT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT, BUT THIS MATRIX WAS DEVELOPED AS A, AS A TOOL AND THE DECISION MAKING TOOL FOR ME, IT WAS A CLOSED STREETS, PARKING LOTS AND RESERVE SPACES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO KAREN, HOW DO YOU GET COMMUNITY GATHERING? AND DO YOU ONLY EXPECT 25 PEOPLE? WE COULD CHANGE THE NUMBERS AND THE PROCESSES ARE IN THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES TO MATCH THAT YOU COULD SAY THE MAJOR, IT DOESN'T APPLY TO COMMUNITY GATHERING EVENTS BECAUSE THEN THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY CLOSE. 
          AND WE THINK JUST RESERVE SPACE. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT IS BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION BEHIND THAT. 
          UM, WITH THE COMMENTS THAT CAME OUT, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY SAYING LIKE, I'M NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO SCORE 35 OR 40, THEREFORE MY EVENT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY OPPOSITE OF THE INTENT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET IN CERTAIN THINGS IN CERTAIN SPOTS. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY. 
          SO IF THEY SCORED 20 THE WAY IT IS TODAY, IF THEY SCORED 20, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEIR EVENTS DECLINED. 
          IT JUST MEANS THAT THEY'RE CLASSIFIED UNDER THE COMMUNITY GATHERING. 
          IF IT GETS APPROVED. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? AND THEN IT WOULD BE $50, UM, TO DO THAT EVENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, AND THE ONLY DISADVANTAGE I'M TALKING OUT LOUD NOW, I WANT YOU TO CORRECT ME. 
          SO THE ONLY DISADVANTAGE TO THAT WOULD BE, IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTED THE EXACT SAME TIME AND SCORED 45 POINTS, THEN THAT EVENT WOULD TRUMP. 
          THE OTHER ONE, IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? BASED ON TIMING. 
          SO OVER TO GESTATION FIRST, IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          THE SCORES IS WHOEVER IS APPLICATION AT FIRST. 
          YEAH. 
          IF IT'S APPROVED AND THE PERMITS BEEN ISSUED OR HAS IT BEEN APPROVED OR CLOSED IT STRAIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND MOST OF THIS IS SELF-REPORTED ANYWAY. 
          SO NO, I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S A PRETTY BROAD BETWEEN 500 AS A COMMUNITY AND 25 PEOPLE FOR A COMMUNITY GATHERING, ET CETERA. 
          IT'S EITHER GONNA BE A SMALLER BANK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS THEN. 
          SO IF SOMEBODY DIDN'T WANT TO BUMP UP TO THAT COMMUNITY LEVEL, THE COMMUNITY TIER, UM, CAN THEY JUST PUT DOWN THAT THEY'RE EVENTUALLY GOING TO HAVE 25 PEOPLE AND IF 75 PEOPLE SHOW UP, IT IS WHAT IT IS, RIGHT. 
          WE'RE NOT FORCING ANYTHING OR CHANGE THAT. 
          UM,  SO WHAT IF SOMEBODY JUST DECIDED TO GO TO THE GAZEBO AND START PLAYING MUSIC AND THERE'S 30 OR 40 PEOPLE THERE? ARE WE GOING TO GO IN AND CLEAR THEM OUT? NO. 
          UM, UNLESS SOMEBODY RESERVED THAT RESERVATION, THE CHIEF WANTS TO GO OVER THERE AND CLEAR THEM ALL OUT. 
          I CAN TELL YOU PLAY MUSIC. 
          WE'RE NOT RESERVING PER SE. 
          UM, EXPLAIN. 
          SO I'M, I'M, I'M SHIFTING AWAY FROM THAT. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T WANT TO DIVE INTO THE GAZEBO MILLION PROCESS THEN I FOUND SHIFTING AWAY FROM THAT. 
          AM I OKAY? THAT'S FINE. 
          AND AT ALL, ALL OF THEM SAID LIKE A PUBLIC EVENT, LIKE ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THESE SAID A PUBLIC EVENT, RIGHT. 
          WHERE THE PUBLIC'S THAT MADE IT. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE WAY I READ IT. 
          I THINK FROM PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS, THE DIRECTION THAT I RECEIVED COUNSEL WAS NOT TO HAVE INVITE ONLY TOP OF HEAD. 
          IT'S LIKE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE, OR RIGHT. 
          RETIREMENT PARTIES, THOSE KINDS OF PARTIES, MORE PUBLIC SPACE PARTIES. 
          BUT, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I REITERATED IN BOTH, UM, THE, UH, PUBLIC 
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MEETINGS THAT I HELD WAS THE, WAS A USE OF THE GREEN SPACE THAT IT'S ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO USE DESPITE A PERMIT. 
          IF IT'S DONE PERMITTED, IF IT'S NOT RESERVED, AS LONG AS, UM, EVERYTHING ELSE IS FINE, THAT'S ALWAYS ENCOURAGED. 
          AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO YOU. 
          I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT WHAT JAKE JUST DESCRIBED. 
          IF PEOPLE SHOWED UP THERE AND STARTED PLAYING MUSIC AND YOU WERE WALKING BY, AND THEN I THINK I'LL STOP AND LISTEN. 
          AND YOU COULD, BECAUSE ALL OF THESE EVENTS HAVE TO BE SANDRA. 
          WHAT IF I JUST WANTED TO HAVE JAKE, MRS. VAN AND INVITE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE AND I CAN'T PLAY ANY INSTRUMENTS BY THE WAY. 
          BUT, UM, HE DID NOT GO THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS. 
          RIGHT? YOU COULD BE ON THE GRASS POP-UP EVENT. 
          YOU'RE TAKING YOUR CHANCES THOUGH, RIGHT. 
          OR WHETHER OR NOT OPEN. 
          I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. 
          SO ONE OF THE WAYS THAT THIS ALL STARTED, THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION WAS THAT WE HAD 72 PLUS LAST YEAR WITH THE WORKLOAD, ET CETERA, THAT WAS GOING ON. 
          IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THERE MAY BE AN ISSUE WITH THIS NEW APARTMENT AND PROCESS. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT. 
          YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE THE ABILITY TO HAVE 72 COMMENTS HERE THIS YEAR. 
          I MEAN, IS THAT, AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY? THAT IT'S NOT REALLY, WE'RE NOT REALLY CHANNELIZING OR PREVENTING THE SAME. 
          IT'S JUST NOW MORE ORDERED THE PROCESS. 
          IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? I THINK THAT WAS SOME OF THE FEAR WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE STOPPING THE ABILITY OF PEOPLE TO USE DOUBT. 
          SOUNDS LIKE YOU JUST PUT IT. 
          SO THERE'S A PROCESS IN PLACE NOW IT'S A LITTLE MORE ORDERED. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PROCESS MAYBE IN A FASTER, MORE EFFICIENT PROCESS IS THAT I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE. 
          I THINK THE KEY, THE MAIN THING OUT OF THIS IS THERE'S NO INDIVIDUAL, UH, RESERVATIONS, YOU KNOW, NO ONE BOTTOM LINE IS NO ONE CAN JUST HAVE A WEDDING OR FAMILY REUNION PRETTY TIGHT. 
          SO IT HAS TO BE LINKED TO SOME TYPE OF GATHERING THAT BENEFITS THE ORGANIZATION OR A COMMUNITY. 
          THAT'S THE KEY OUTSIDE OF THAT, THERE ARE CRITERIA IS THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, DETERMINES IF IT'S A COMMUNITY EVENT OR THEY'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO GO INTO THE PROCESS. 
          AND THE OTHER THING IS WE MAY HAVE SOMEONE THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN, THEY SAY, WELL, I'M GOING TO HAVE THIS EVENT. 
          I'M GOING TO HAVE BANDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          I WANT TO CLOSE THE STREET THAT RIGHT NOW WE COULDN'T REALLY EXPLAIN TO THEM THIS OR NO, BUT THIS PROCESS, AT LEAST IT'S A, IT'S JUST A GUIDE. 
          IT'S A GUIDE ONLY. 
          AND THEN IT ALLOWS US TO, AT LEAST FOR THEM TO BE FORTHCOMING, TO PROVIDE DATA FOR THE DECISION PROCESS. 
          AND WHAT I WAS HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC WAS THE FACT THAT IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS A BARRIER TO HAVING THE BED, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE BARRIER IS MORE LIKE THIS IS A GOOD PROCESS. 
          THERE ARE OTHER PLACES IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP IN THE PUBLIC PART WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THIS MAY BE, WOULD PREVENT PEOPLE FROM BEING ABLE TO, TO GATHER IF THESE WERE PLACES THEY'D USED BEFORE. 
          AND I KNOW THAT SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE SAID TO US, AND THEN WE'VE EVEN, I KNOW I GOT AN EMAIL ABOUT THAT TOO, THAT THERE ARE OTHER, THERE ARE OTHER PLACES IN OUR COMMUNITY, LIKE IF YOU DID WANT A WEDDING OR A FAMILY OR UNION, THERE ARE PAVILIONS AT EPPING CROSBY STADIUM THAT PEOPLE COULD STILL, YOU KNOW, RUN OUT. 
          BUT THERE'S A RESERVATION PROCESS FOR THAT TOO. 
          AND IT'S NOT FUNDABLE, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, AS WE ROLL THIS FORWARD. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, STEVEN MENTIONED THAT, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF WORK IN PROGRESS, BUT I MEAN, LIKE GIVING US SOME GUIDELINES TO WORK FROM, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ONCE WE, ONCE WE IMPLEMENT IT AND JUST GETTING A HEADS UP AS WE'RE STARTING TO DENY APPLICATIONS, IF ANY, UM, CAUSE I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT IMAGINING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE, BUT IF THERE IS, AND IT'LL GIVE US OPPORTUNITY TO WORK THROUGH THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT THE INTENT OF THIS PROCESS DOESN'T HINDER, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE BEING ENGAGED IN OUR COMMUNITY AND, AND PUTTING ON EVENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          THE MAYOR, I KNOW I JUST HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT. 
          I THINK COUNCIL, UM, IN THIS AREA IS TOWN SPONSORED AND CO-SPONSOR EVENTS. 
          AND SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN WORKING WITH JLL AND OTHERS, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY AND PART OF, ONE OF OUR, WHEN WE HAVE RETREATS OR OTHER DISCUSSIONS OF TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT TYPE OF EVENTS THE TAIL WOULD LIKE TO HOST AND WHAT WORDS WE WOULD LIKE TO CO-SPONSOR. 
          UM, THOSE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT DISCUSSIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          EVERYBODY ELSE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          THANKS. 
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NEXT DOOR, WATER AND SEWER REPLACEMENT PROGRAM. 
          DJ, GOOD EVENING. 
          COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, COUNSEL THE WATER SEWER LINE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM THAT WE HAD REVIEWED. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COME OUT OF THAT LIST TO REVIEW THE PROCESS, IF WE WERE TO PLACE LIENS ON THE PROPERTIES AND RECOVERED THE FUNDING ON THAT, AND WE CAN INDEED PLACE LIENS ON PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE PLACED AS A TAX LIEN. 
          UM, SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE GENERAL FUND MONEY THAT WE WOULD USE. 
          UH, THE FUNDS WOULD THEN BE RECOVERED OVER X AMOUNT OF TIME, WHATEVER WE WOULD AGREE TO. 
          UM, IT COULD NOT BE ADDED TO THE UTILITY BILL WHO WERE TO DIGGING LIENS ON THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, THE UTILITY BILL, UM, IS AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE ISSUE. 
          UH, BUT, UM, UH, AND SO THAT BEING SAID, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DISCONNECT SERVICES FOR NON-PAYMENT ON THOSE. 
          UH, IT ALSO COULD CAUSE PROBLEMS WITH MORTGAGES BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A TAX LIEN ON THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, AND, UM, LET'S SEE HERE, UH, THE TOWN MAY HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE LIABILITY BECAUSE IF WE WOULD'VE PUT LIENS ON THE PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CHOOSE THEIR CONTRACTOR BECAUSE THE TENANT HAS TO PUT IT OUT TO BID. 
          WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH PROCUREMENT PROCESS, OUR OWN CONTRACTOR, AND THEN THAT CONTRACTOR WOULD HAVE TO PERFORM THE WORK. 
          UM, SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE LEAN PROCESS. 
          IF WE START TO EAT THAT LAST POINT, I MISSED THE VERY FIRST PART, WHAT SORT OF, SO THE 10, WE HAVE TO PROCURE THE CONTRACTOR BECAUSE ULTIMATELY FOR THE LEAN PROCESS, THE TENANT IS PAYING THE CONTRACTOR DIRECTLY. 
          UM, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S THE PREMISE BEHIND THE LEAN IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GIVING THAT MONEY TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO PAY THE CONTRACTOR TO DO THE WORK. 
          UH, SO FOR THAT, FOR THAT SCENARIO, THE TOWN WOULD HAVE TO PROCURE THE SERVICES. 
          SO IT WOULD BE OUR CONTRACTOR THAT WE'RE PROCURING THE SERVICES FOR. 
          SO IT WOULD BE THE, YOU KNOW, THE LOWEST BIDDER, UH, DOING THE WORK, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CHOOSE THEIR CONTRACTOR, THEY'D HAVE TO USE OURS. 
          AND THEN WE GOT TO KEEP GOING THROUGH THE THIRD THREE PARTY AGREEMENTS AS A TOWN, THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE CONTRACTOR WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO THE TERMS OF IT, UM, TO ALSO HELP LIMIT YOUR WORK. 
          SO WHEN I DON'T WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM, IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG, BUT IN ESSENCE, YOU KNOW, IT'S OUR CONTRACTOR. 
          SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LIABILITY THERE TO WORRY ABOUT. 
          SO DOES THAT KIND OF ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THERE? OKAY. 
          SO, UM, MOVING ON TO THE GRANT SIDE OF IT, IF WE WERE TO GO TO GRANTS, UH, MEANING THAT WE'RE GOING TO ISSUE A GRANT, THAT WOULD BE NONRECOVERABLE, UH, WE COULD USE THE WATER SEWER, UH, RESERVES, UH, RESERVE AMOUNTS. 
          UM, IF WE WERE TO ISSUE GRANTS IN THOSE INSTANCES, THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE THEIR OWN CONTRACTOR. 
          UH, THE FUNDS WOULD NOT BE RECOVERABLE, MEANING THAT WE WOULD BE GIVING THEM THE FUNDS TO A PERFORMANCE. 
          UM, WHAT'S THAT IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, WHAT MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THERE WOULD BE TO USE, UH, SOME SORT OF GRANT PROGRAM, UH, MAYBE SET ASIDE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR EACH, UH, WATER SEWER, UH, ALLOW $5,000 UP TO $5,000 REIMBURSABLE GRANTS. 
          UM, SO IT WOULD COVER 20 WATER LINES, 20 SEWER LINES, UM, FOR THIS YEAR. 
          AND THEN WE COULD BUDGET ACCORDINGLY NEXT YEAR, IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YOU USED THE TERM REIMBURSABLE GRANTS REIMBURSABLE TO SORRY TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          SO BASICALLY THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE WORK DONE AND WE WOULD HAVE TO VERIFY THAT THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE. 
          WE'RE NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WHAT'S WE STILL NOT PROVIDE THE CONTRACTOR JUST TO MAKE SURE, UM, THERE MIGHT BE A WAY TO DO THAT, UH, DIRECTLY TO THE CONTRACTOR, BUT IT HAS TO BE, THE GRANT HAS TO BE WORDED TO THE EFFECT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TOWARD THE, TOWARD THE PROPERTY OWNER, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO, UM, HAVE THAT RESPONSIBILITY DIRECTLY TO THE CONTRACTOR OURSELVES. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE TO GET INTO 10 90 NINES AND OH, YOU KNOW, PROCUREMENT AND ALL OF THAT. 
          SO THERE HAS TO BE LIKE LIST, LIKE, COULD WE GIVE THEM A LIST OR WOULD THAT STILL BE THE SAME THING WE WOULD HAVE, UH, HAS TO GO THROUGH PROCUREMENT? SO WE HAVE TO USE THE LOWEST, IF WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE ANYTHING, IT HAS TO BE THE LOWEST BIDDER. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL WITH HOW WE WORD THAT IF WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO, UM, FOR THEM TO CHOOSE THEIR OWN CONTRACTOR. 
          SO WOULD, WELL, WELL, OUR WATER AND SEWAGE DEPARTMENT, THEY WOULD DO INSPECTIONS. 
          THEY HAVE TO DO THE INSPECTIONS, WE WOULD DO THE INSPECTION. 
          SO WE KNOW THAT THE WORK IS BEING DONE PROPER. 
          UM, AND FOR THE SEWER SIDE OF IT, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S WAYS TO DO IT TO WHERE WE MAY BE ABLE TO, TO, UH, UH, IF WE HAD ENOUGH INTEREST IN IT, WE COULD DO LIKE 
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THE CIP CURED IN PLACE LINING. 
          UM, SO WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, UM, A GOOD NUMBER OF THOSE WE'VE TALKED TO THE VENDOR AND HE WOULD SAY THE VENDORS ARE INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON THE PRIVATE LATERALS. 
          UM, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A DECENT AMOUNT OF INTEREST IN IT BEFORE THEY WOULD COME IN AND DO IT. 
          UM, DOING ONE IS RATHER THAN EXPENSIVE JUST FOR THE MOBILIZATION FEE. 
          UM, WHAT'S THE COST COMPARED TO REPLACING THE SAFE, WE GET 10 UNITS. 
          UM, WE, WE ATTEMPTED TO GET ESTIMATES ON THOSE AND IT'S, UM, IT IS A FRACTION OF THE COST, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON OBVIOUSLY HOW LONG THE LINE IS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT THE, UH, UM, I CAN NOT REMEMBER HOW MUCH HE GAVE US. 
          I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, WANT TO SPEND, IT WAS A FRACTION OF THE COST, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DIG IT UP, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, FOR THE ZERO LINE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DIG IT UP. 
          BUT THE OTHER THING WAS, IS THAT THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL INSERT IN LINE. 
          IT'S NOT A CLEAN-OUT, IT'S A, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT TERMINOLOGY FOR IT, BUT, UM, IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THIS IN THERE, THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE IT INSTALLED. 
          IT WAS $750. 
          BUT ONCE YOU INSTALLED THAT, UM, THEN IT BECOME MINIMAL AND THEN YOU ALSO HAD TO CLEAN OUT. 
          YEAH, IT SHOULD YOU NEED ONE AND THEN THEY WOULD INSTALL A CLEAN THEY'LL CLEAN UP, HAS TO BE IN SOFTWARE, THE CIP LINING IN ORDER TO DO AN EXTRA GOOD. 
          ALL THESE DON'T HAVE NO PROPERTIES. 
          DON'T HAVE ASSEMBLED PROPERTIES. 
          DON'T HAVE PLENTY NOW. 
          AND IF THEY DID HAVE IT CLEANED OUT, PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE ON YOUR SHEET. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          THERE'S A QUESTION I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANSWER, BUT, UM, CHRIS, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER IT OR SOMEBODY ELSE, UM, FOR IF A, IF A PROPERTY CHANGES HANDS, COULD A, COULD A HOUSE FAIL INSPECTION FOR HAVING, UM, CRUMPLING A WATER LINE? WELL, A LOT OF, A LOT OF TIMES YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL IT'S TOO LATE. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN LIKE YOUR OLD ALVIN ASS WATERLINES, UM, I'VE SEEN THEM BEFORE WHERE, UM, THE OLD LINE UP AND THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY PIPE THERE FOR YEARS IT'S BLOWING RIGHT THROUGH THE MUD OR THE DIRT OR WHATEVER. 
          UM, SO A LOT OF TIMES YOU DON'T REALIZE IT. 
          A LOT OF THE OLD SEWER LINES WILL HAVE ROOTS ALL, YOU KNOW, FROM TERRACOTTA AND STUFF. 
          THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING, BECAUSE IT, AT A HOME INSPECTION, YOU WOULD CHECK LIKE THE JOYCE, THEY WOULD CHECK TO SEE IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT LEAKS IN THE ROOF, UH, ON YOUR WATERLINE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO FOR, I GUESS WHAT I'M DRIVING AT IS FOR A NORMAL HOME INSPECTION, THEY'RE TYPICALLY NOT CHECKING THE WATER LINE. 
          THEY WOULD CHECK THOSE OTHER THINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY WOULD CHECK EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT I DON'T LEAVE THE HOUSE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT NOT, YEAH. 
          I MEAN, A LOT OF THESE OLDER HOMES, I MEAN, SOME OF THESE WATER LINES, SEWER LINES, PROBABLY 60, 78, AT LEAST. 
          YES. 
          IT'S TRUE. 
          IT'S THE STREETS TO ME THAT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I THINK WHAT IT IS, I MEAN, A LOT OF HOMEOWNERS MIGHT KNOW THEY HAVE A PROBLEM, BUT IT'S EXPENSIVE TO HAVE A CONTRACTOR COME IN AND, AND REPAIR, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, FIVE, 10, $15,000 TO REPLACE THEIR WATER AND SEWER LINES. 
          THAT WAS GOING TO BE ONE OF MY FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS IS THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THE FIRST PAYMENT. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THE PAYMENT TO THE CONTRACTOR AND THE TOWN REIMBURSED. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          FOR THE GRANT, WE DIDN'T WANT THE GRANT ROUND. 
          THAT WOULD BE THE, THAT WOULD BE THE, UM, THE PREMISE BEHIND IT IS THEY WOULD MAKE THE, THE PAYMENT COMPANY WOULD REIMBURSE, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY BJ, IF, UH, THEY HAD A BAD WATERLINE, WOULD WE RECOMMEND THEM DOING THE WATER AND SEWER IF THEY, IF THEY HAVEN'T HAD AN UPDATED SEWER LINE OR THAT'S, THAT'S THE PREMISE OF THE PROPOSAL OF THE PROGRAM IS ALSO IS TO TRY TO JOIN THEM TOGETHER. 
          I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED, BUT, UM, OBVIOUSLY IF WE HAVE TO DO, THEY'RE NOT WE, BUT IF THERE'S GOING TO BE OPEN CUT, MAYBE IT IS GOOD AND BENEFICIAL. 
          EVERYTHING'S THERE. 
          GO AHEAD AND DO IT. 
          AND NOT BOTH OF THEM OUT. 
          UM, THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO TRY TO TIE THIS INTO THAT. 
          AND I BATEMAN OBVIOUSLY TO HELP US OUT WITH ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS WITH THE SEWER LINES FROM INFILTRATION WILL CERTAINLY HELP US OUT. 
          THERE'S ALSO PROGRAMS OUT THERE THAT LOCALITIES PARTNER WITH, AND YOU MAY HAVE SEEN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN THEM WORK WHERE THERE'S COMPANIES OUT THERE THAT PRETTY MUCH GET INSURANCE ON YOUR BILL, YOUR LATERALS TOO, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THAT HOMEOWNERS CAN GET AS SPECIFICALLY FOR THEIR LATERALS THEN IT'S FOR EXISTING HOMES. 
          OR WAS THAT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION? ANY ROLLING? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, LIKE IN CASE THERE'S A SEWER BACKUP SEWER, SO BACK UP, EVERY TIME WE GET OUR HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE, THEY LIKE, THERE'S A PAGE ON THAT THAT SAYS THAT YOU CAN GET IT, OR YEAH, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, MY NEIGHBORS HAVE HAD ISSUES 
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WITH THAT. 
          AND THAT COULD BE A MEANS IF SOMETHING WERE TO GO WRONG, I THINK ANY WAY TO MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, AS THE GRANT, I MEAN, I LIKED THE GRANT IDEA, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK TO MYSELF, LIKE THEY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO COME OUT OF POCKET FOR $5,000 IN SOME OF THESE PLACES MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          AND SO WOULD WE WANT TO PREVENT THEM FROM DOING THAT? SO I THINK THAT SAVED US MONEY IN THE LONG RUN. 
          SO LET'S MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO, TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS PROGRAM. 
          YEAH. 
          I AGREE. 
          YOU'VE GOT TO, YOU GOT TO LEAN OR THE GRANT. 
          I ACTUALLY REALLY PERSONALLY, THERE'S EASIER LOWER BARRIER OF ACCESS. 
          AND THEN YOU SAY IT COULD MAKE IT, UM, COULD CAUSE ISSUES WITH THE MORTGAGE COMPANY. 
          IF THEY CAN. 
          WE GET A PROBLEM IS IF SOMEBODY HAS THE MONEY AND WANTS TO DO IT, THE GRANT AWAY AND NOT HAVE A LIEN ON THEIR PROPERTY. 
          AND IF WE DO THAT REGION, I MEAN, THEY WOULD, IF WE OFFERED THIS OR THERE WAS LIKE, YOU'D BE SMARTER TO TAKE THE 5,000, BECAUSE IF IT WAS GOING TO COST YOU 15, YOU COULD AT LEAST BE GETTING FIVE AT WELL, THIS GRANT THING, IT WOULD BE REIMBURSABLE 5,000 PERSONALLY, YOU HAVE TO CALL, IT WOULD BE PAID FOR REIMBURSED, BUT THE LEAN, THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. 
          SO I WOULD, I WOULD SAY WE COULD DO A LIEN. 
          AND THEN ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS FOR HARDSHIP, UH, FORGIVE THE, FORGIVE, THE, UH, REPAYMENT OF THE, OF THE LIEN. 
          WOULD IT BE DIFFICULT TO DO BOTH? YES. 
          BECAUSE, UM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROCURE THE SERVICES FOR THE CONTRACTOR. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PRO UH, PROCESS TO HAVE THE CONTRACTORS ON HAND. 
          CAN WE DO, TO BE PROCURE THAT CONTRACTOR WANTS TO DO ALL THIS WORK? WE CERTAINLY CAN'T, BUT THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY WAITING FOR THE WORK TO BE DONE THAT MAY NEED IT RATHER. 
          AND IT'D BE SORT OF AN EMERGENCY. 
          AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THE CONTRACT, COULD THEY BE LICENSED AND BONDED. 
          SO IF THEY MESS SOMETHING UP, THE HOMEOWNER'S NOT GOING TO COME BACK ON THE TOWN. 
          I MEAN, I JUST THINK WHEN YOU START DOING THIS KIND OF STUFF, YOU GOT IT. 
          I LIKE THE IDEA THOUGH. 
          LIKE IF BEFORE AND INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO DO THIS, THE TOWN'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, GRANT OR EAT A BUNCH OF THE COSTS. 
          IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO GET A CONTRACTOR TO GO OUT AND DO THIS ALL AT ONCE OR AS CLOSE TO ONCE AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ECONOMIES OF SCALE AND THEN, UM, OR REDUCE OUR COSTS, NOT ULTIMATELY OUT OF, OUT OF POCKET EXPENSE TO ME WHEN WE MAKE IT, I KNOW THAT THAT, AND THEN WHOEVER DOESN'T MAKE IT INTO THAT PROGRAM THEN ARE THE ONE OFFS THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. 
          BUT I THINK INCENTIVIZING PEOPLE TO DO IT ALL DURING THIS TIMEFRAME IS A GOOD IDEA. 
          SO IF THE COST IS ABOUT $5,000 AND THE LIEN, IT WOULD BE A LIEN FOR THE TOTAL AMOUNT. 
          BUT IF WE DO A GRANT AND WE'RE ONLY PAYING OUT FIVE TIMES, 5,000 FOR SEWER, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO WORK OUT. 
          SO IF WE, SO SAY FOR INSTANCE, UH, SOMEBODY WHO'S HAVING SOME WORK DONE, IT ENDED UP BEING $10,000. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY US EITHER THE 5,000 UPFRONT OR WE'LL HAVE TO COME TO TERMS THAT, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO LEAN THE ENTIRE AMOUNT. 
          WE'RE GOING TO AGREE TO PAY THE FULL 10,000. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO PAY THAT OVER THE LEFT TO FIGURE THAT COMPONENT OUT. 
          IF WE'RE GOING TO GO THAT ROUTE, BECAUSE THERE COULD BE SOME THAT ARE MORE THAN 5,000. 
          AND I, I JUST WANT TO SAY, UH, FOR GIVING, FOR GIVING IT. 
          SO THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A REALLY LONG TIME, WHO CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY DID THIS CURB AND GUTTER THING YEARS AGO, WHERE YOU COULD GET, IF YOU PAY FOR CURBING GUTTER FRONT, IT WAS LIKE A, THEY CALLED IT A CURB AND GUTTER SALE IS BACK IN THE EARLY 2000. 
          AND, UM, AND SO PEOPLE PAID TO GET THEIR CURB AND GUTTER DONE. 
          UM, BUT IF THEY CAME IN AND DID YOUR WHOLE STREET AND YOU DIDN'T PAY AHEAD, THEN THEY PUT A LIEN ON YOUR PROPERTY. 
          BUT NOW THE TOWN DOESN'T CHARGE THAT AT ALL. 
          SO THEY'RE PEOPLE THAT ARE CITIZENS IN THIS TOWN WHO HAVE MEANS ON THEIR PROPERTY FOR THEIR CURBING GUTTER FROM YEARS AGO. 
          WHEREAS ANYBODY NOW WOULDN'T PAY IT. 
          SO WHEN YOU GET INTO LIKE FORGIVING THE LEAN IT'S LIKE THERE WERE PROBABLY GOING TO BE PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING, WELL, WHY NOT FORGIVING THE LEAN FOR MY CURB AND GUTTER THAT I HAD TO PAY FOR THAT, THAT HAVE A LIEN ON IT? UM, WHY DON'T WE JUST, WHY CAN'T WE JUST GO AHEAD AND FORGIVE, UH, THE FIRST $5,000 AND THEN THEY TAKE A LITTLE BIT, WE PUT A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY FOR EACH, UM, NOT UNLIMITED THOUGH. 
          YOU MEAN MANY THIS YEAR? WHAT CAN WE DO? SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT'S LIKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS BACK, UM, WHY CAN'T WE USE THE GRANT MONEY TO FORGIVE THE FIRST $5,000 ON EACH, STILL USE OUR CONTRACTORS. 
          UM, AND THEN ANYTHING ABOVE THAT, A LEAN ON PROPERTY A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, 
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AGAIN, I THINK THE, THINK ONE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE THE $5,000 ON THE FRONT NOW, WHY DO WE HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER 5,000? IF WE'RE GOING TO USE OUR CONTRACTORS, WE KNOW THAT WORK'S GOING TO GET DONE. 
          WHY CAN'T WE JUST GO AHEAD AND FORGIVE THE FIRST $5,000 IF IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING. 
          LIKE, YEAH. 
          AND THEN HE'S LIKE, IF IT'S 7,500, THEN THEY'RE PAYING FOR 2,500. 
          WELL, I WAS ON THE, IF YOU DO IT, IF YOU END IT, THEN IT'S ONLY IN, IN CASES OF HARDSHIP AND THE WAY TO APPLY THAT AND SAY, I'M HAVING A HARDSHIP. 
          AND I THINK MY, WHATEVER THAT SAYS, BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS A PROPOSAL THAT EVERYBODY JUST GETS IT FOR YOU AND HARDSHIP OR NOT. 
          WE'RE JUST, WELL, REALLY WE THINK ABOUT IT NO MATTER WHO IT HAPPENS TO. 
          IT'S A HARDSHIP. 
          I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF, BUT FUNDAMENTALLY, LIKE IF I, IF I'VE GOT A HOLE IN THE SECOND FLOOR OF MY HOUSE, THAT'S A MORE IMMEDIATE DANGER TO THE PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE THAN WHAT THE WATER IS THROUGH, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A GRANT PROGRAM TO CLOSE UP HOLES PEOPLE BECAUSE IT'S THE INJURED INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. 
          SO, UM, UM, FOR THE TOWN RAISING AWARENESS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU CHECKED YOUR LATERAL LINE, UM, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY SEE THE NEED FOR US TO BE PAYING FOR PEOPLE'S IT'S DIFFERENT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THE TOWN DOESN'T YOUR, YOUR CLUB DOESN'T COME FROM IT. 
          WELL, ULTIMATELY OUR EFFECTS THAT AFFECTS OUR ABILITY TO DELIVER THE SERVICE AND PROCESS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SITTING JUST TO WATER OR SEWER AS WELL. 
          THERE'S PROBABLY A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT CONVERSATION, BUT WE'RE JUST BASICALLY CHANGING THE RULES FROM THIS WAS YOUR, YOUR RESPONSIBILITY FROM FOREVER AGO. 
          AND SO NOW, NOW WE'RE CHANGING AND WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING. 
          YEAH. 
          DOES NOT. 
          EVERYBODY HAS TO MEET THE CRITERIA. 
          SO IT HAS TO BE HER LEAD, LEAD PIPING GOING INSIDE THE HOUSE. 
          YES. 
          PROOF OF IT, CERTIFIED LETTER GALVANIZED PIPING. 
          UM, AND THEN FOR THE INI BATEMAN, UM, THERE HAS TO BE, UH, OR FOR THE SEWER LINES, UM, THERE IS A PIECE OF INSTRUCTION OR NEED FOR IT AS THE CAMERA. 
          SO WE'LL SEE THE ACTUAL, UM, UH, SO THERE'S GOTTA BE A BENEFIT TO THE TOWN ULTIMATELY IN THE END IS WHAT THAT BOILS DOWN TO BEING ON THE SERVER. 
          I SEE THAT BECAUSE I PROBABLY ON THE, ON THE OTHER GOING THE OTHER WAY, THE WATER WHAT'S THE BENEFIT TO THAT FROM A SAFETY ASPECT, GALVANIZED AND LEAD PIPING. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, BUT AGAIN, BACK TO, YEAH, YEAH. 
          I MEAN, YEAH, LEAKS, YOU'D BE SURPRISED. 
          I MEAN, HOW MANY, HOW MANY PEOPLE COME TO YOU AND HAVE A HUNDRED OR $200 WATER BILL THAT'S USUALLY, SO, UH, WE CAN'T OUT THE, IF IT'S GALVANIZED OR LEAD PIPING IS LEAKING, WE CAN DO IT. 
          WE CAN'T DO IT FOR A LEAK ALONE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE KEYS AND IT CAN'T BE FOR A LEAKING SYSTEM OWNER. 
          IT HAS TO BE, UH, UH, FROM A, UM, SORT OF SAFETY ASPECT. 
          SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I LIKE THE IDEA OF, UH, YOU KNOW, USING THE GRANT MONEY TO GIVE HIM THE FIRST 5,000 PROPERTY. 
          I CAN CERTAINLY WORK ON THAT. 
          I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          HOW'D YOU DO? IT JUST REMAINS THAT THE PEOPLE'S PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, I SEE THIS AS AN ENTERPRISE FUND ISSUE, LIKE THE ENTERPRISE AS A PROVIDER OF THIS SERVICE. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO GET FIXED. 
          AND SO I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO GO ABOUT IT THOUGH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A COST, UM, AND WE DO NEED TO MAKE THESE REPAIRS. 
          SO IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THESE REPAIRS, IF THERE'S SOME SHARED COST WITH THE CUSTOMER, THAT'S GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I USE THE WORD CUSTOMER INSTEAD OF IT'S A CITIZEN ENTERPRISE ISSUE, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PAYING FOR A SERVICE AS NATASHA POINTED OUT, THEY'RE BEEN PAYING INTO A SERVICE. 
          WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET THESE REPAIRS DONE, WHICH WE KNOW NEED TO BE FIXED IN SUCH A WAY THAT ABOVE $5,000 THEY TAKE ON SOME OF THAT BURDEN. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE. 
          SIMILARLY, WHEN YOU'RE PROPANE, I SEE IT A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, YOUR, YOUR PROPANE TANK AND THEY ARE MINES IN THE GROUND. 
          ANYWAY, I HAD SOMETHING HAPPENED WITH THE REGULATOR AND THE, UH, UH, LIBRARIAN INTO THE HOUSE AND I CALLED THEM AND THEY CAME OUT, NOT AT ALL UP REPLACE THE LINE. 
          AND THEN RIGHT AWAY ON THE SIDE OF MY HOUSE, THEY CHARGED ME A DIME BECAUSE IT IMPEDED THEIR ABILITY TO DELIVER THE SERVICE THAT I PAID FOR. 
          THAT THAT'S HOW I SOLD IT. 
          THEY INSTALLED 
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IT BEFORE ME. 
          NO, I DIDN'T SWITCH COMPANIES, COMPANY CHARGED ME WHEN THEY INSTALLED THE MONITOR. 
          AND THEN, UM, AND THEN THEY SET ME UP FOR AUTO PAYMENT WITH CREDIT CARD AND IT WAS GREAT. 
          UH, JUST MAKES SURE REAL CLEAR THE, UH, UM, THE GRANTS WILL BE SUPPLIED BY THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND THEN ANYTHING OVER THE, THE, THE GRANT AMOUNT WOULD HAVE TO BE SUBSIDIZED BY THE GENERAL FUND. 
          SO WE'LL BE, WE WILL BE USING SOME GENERAL FUND MONEY FOR WHATEVER THE LIENS WOULD BE. 
          AND WHY WOULD WE DO THAT? IF IT'S ALL IT HAS TO BE DONE AS A TAX ASSESSMENT LIEN, CAN'T PUT UP, IF THERE'S A LIEN, IF THERE IS A LENDER HAS TO DO THAT AS A TAX ASSESSMENT. 
          SO THAT'LL BE A TAX LIEN ON THE PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT YOU CAN'T TRANSFER MORE ENTERPRISE FUNDS BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND OFFSET THAT THAT HAS TO BE DONE AS A TAX LIEN. 
          AND, UH, SO THAT'S THE KEY. 
          I GET THAT PART, BUT THEN YOU CAN'T TRANSFER MORE BACK IN, BUT, BUT, BUT YOU SAID BEFORE THAT WE'D BE TALKING ABOUT A SET AMOUNT, THIS BUDGET, IF WE DID IT IN A SET AMOUNT, IT WOULDN'T. 
          YEAH. 
          I ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO, LIKE, YOU KNOW, 500 PEOPLE SHOW UP HERE AND WE'RE ALL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT X AMOUNT AND THEY MEAN LIKE AGGRESSIVE WITH THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE. 
          IF IT'S A POPULAR, THEN WE DETERMINE, THEN WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS GO BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND. 
          I'M JUST SAYING, SO IF WE COLLECT THE OVER $5,000, IT'S $2,500 TAX LIEN GETS PUT ON THERE. 
          THAT MONEY COMES INTO THE GENERAL FUND. 
          THERE'S NO WAY FOR THAT GENERAL FUND MONEY TO EVENTUALLY MAKE ITS WAY BACK INTO THE ENTERPRISE FUND WHERE IT SHOULD RIGHTFULLY GO BECAUSE WELL, WE'RE PAYING. 
          SO THE GRANTS, SO EACH OF THE GRANTS WOULD COME OUT OF THE, UH, ENTERPRISE FUNDS, ANYTHING OVER THE GRANT AMOUNT WOULD COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO PAY THE CONTRACTOR. 
          SO LET'S SAY IT WAS $7,000 FOR A WATERLINE REPLACEMENT. 
          5,000 WOULD COME OUT OF THE WATER FUND 2000 WOULD COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE LIEN WOULD BE PLACED. 
          WHERE IS THAT $2,000 THEN WHEN THE $2,000 COMES BACK IN, IT GOES BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND. 
          SO IT'S GOING TO GENERAL FUNDS THE LENDING MONEY TO THE ENTERPRISE FUND TO ACCOMPLISH THE WORK AND IS GETTING PAID ROUNDABOUT WAY. 
          BJ, WOULD WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE CONTRACTOR OR WOULD EACH JOB HAVE TO GO OUT TO BID OR CONTRACT? OR WE HAVE LIKE TWO OR THREE CONTRACTORS ON HAND, BUT IT'S LIKELY IT WOULD BE, UM, LOIS THEATER, UH, IS WHAT I WOULD ANTICIPATE. 
          UM, IF LIKE FOR THE CFPP LINING, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ONE CONTRACTOR, UM, UH, FOR THE OTHER WORK, UM, AT THE DIG INTO THAT REALLY GOOD CAUSE THIS IS ANOTHER ASPECT THAT HAVEN'T POPPED UP. 
          WE CAN GET ALL THAT STUFF, BUT IN GENERAL, WHAT, WHAT I'VE DONE IS YOU CAN ADD MULTIPLE CONTRACTORS, TIME AND MATERIAL THAT THE CONTRACTORS THAT YOU'RE TO HAVE, BECAUSE I TREATED NO DIFFERENT PROBE, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE SO MUCH PER FOOT, WHATEVER. 
          AND THEN WHAT YOU DO IS YOU GO, AND IF THE FIRST CONTRACTOR CAN'T DO IT, THEN YOU GO TO THE SECOND ONE. 
          THAT WAY WE DON'T LET YOU KNOW, LIKE HE WAS SAYING, WE HAD MULTIPLE HOMES THAT NEED TO BE DONE AT ONE TIME, WE JUST HAD ONE CONTRACTOR. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YOU DO A TIME AND MATERIAL CONTRACT WAYS THAT YOU CAN THINK OF A PIPE TO. 
          SO EACH VENDOR WAS SPECIALIZED IN EACH TYPE OF SERVICE TO EMBRACE OPEN CUT. 
          I FIRST-AID MAKE, ALWAYS PAY. 
          THAT WAS 7,000. 
          THEY COULD DO THE 5,000 GRAND IF THEY WANTED TO. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND NOT YET. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN A STATEMENT. 
          I KNOW YOU CAN'T JUST AS LIKE, I'M A CITIZEN, BUT I AM A REALTOR. 
          SO PEOPLE DO SCOPE THE LINES. 
          AND AS A REALTOR, WE DO SUGGEST THAT BECAUSE SOME OF THEM WILL BUY COTTAGE CHEESE. 
          SO MAYBE IF YOU HAD THAT ON YOUR, WHAT IF I BOUGHT A HOUSE AND I SCOPED IT AND IT LOOKED LIKE COTTAGE CHEESE, BUT THEN I WAS LIKE, THE TOWN'S GOING TO PAY FOR IT. 
          BUT MR. HICKS IS RIGHT. 
          I DO SELL A WARRANTY. 
          SO I'VE SOLD HOUSES THAT WE'VE PATCHED UP THE LEAK. 
          AND THEN I'M LIKE, I CAN TELL YOU THIS WARRANTY THAT YOU CAN PAY $35 A MONTH. 
          IT'S GOING TO COVER THAT. 
          I FEEL LIKE JUST FYI, OH, LIKE A WARRANTY. 
          IF THE HOMEOWNER HAS A WARRANTY ON IT WITH AN ELIGIBLE FOR THIS PROGRAM. 
          OKAY. 
          A WARRANTY WHILE WE DON'T WORK, YOU TAKE CARE OF THEM. 
          WELL, MAYBE THEY DON'T KNOW, PUT A CHERRY BOMB DOWN. 
          HOW MANY IDENTIFIED? RIGHT. 
          THE TOWN THAT THERE ARE ISSUES. 
          AND THERE ARE CERTAIN PROPERTIES THAT HAVE THEM. 
          MAYBE THEY JUST HAVEN'T USED THAT INSURANCE. 
          LIKE I'VE GOT A HOLE IN MY ROOF, BUT I JUST HAVEN'T GONE TO MY INSURANCE COMPANY. 
          HONESTLY, THE PROCESS WOULD BE ADJUSTING AND WHAT THEIR INSURANCE COMPANY WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT. 
          BUT THEN LIKE, I WOULD SAY A THOUSAND DOLLARS A DOC. 
          YEAH. 
          OH GOODNESS. 
          WE'VE GOT ROOF. 
          IT'S A THOUSAND DOLLAR DEDUCTIBLE FOR A ROOF. 
          YOU GET HER PLACE. 
           
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IMPORTANT POINT THOUGH, IF I MAY, I THINK IT'S A QUICK, SO THIS IS LIMITED, WHATEVER IT COSTS US IN, IN THE BUDGET FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU SAID. 
          SO FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, 30TH OF 2022. 
          SO, SO WE COULD, IF IT'S POPULARLY, WE COULD RUN OUT OF MONEY FOR IT. 
          AND WE COULD HAVE A LINE OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T, WHO WANT IT, BUT CAN'T GET IT AT WHICH POINT WE WOULD REVISIT IT AND SAY, WELL, THAT THAT'S GOING TO COST US A LOT OF MONEY AND CANCELED THE PROGRAM. 
          OR WE'VE, WE'VE REALLY JUST SIGNED OURSELVES OUT TO PAY ALL OF IT, REGARDLESS OF THE COST. 
          RIGHT? I MEAN, POLITICALLY, NOBODY'S GOING TO END THE PROGRAM HALFWAY THROUGH THE IDENTIFY ME, CORRECT. 
          I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE FIRST COME FIRST SERVE. 
          LIKE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT THE WAY, THE WAY I SEE THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN ANNUAL PLAN FOR, UH, I, AND I, UH, AS AN EXAMPLE, WHEN WE'RE PUTTING MONEY ASIDE TOWARDS THAT, AND THIS IS PART OF THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, WE MAY NOT NECESSARILY GET RID OF THE PROGRAM, BUT WE MAY HAVE TO ADJUST THE FUNDS FOR THE PROGRAM THAT ARE THERE. 
          MAYBE THE FIRST ROUND WE WERE ABLE TO DO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          THE NEXT ROUND WAS ONLY $50,000 BECAUSE WE HOPE TO HAVE GOTTEN MORE PEOPLE OVER THAT FINISH LINE IN THE FIRST ROUND OF FUNDING VERSUS THE SECOND ROUND OF FUNDING. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY OVER THE PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS WERE, IF WE WERE ABLE TO CONVERT 60% OF THOSE PROPERTIES TO, UM, YOU KNOW, NEWER LINES, THEN MAYBE WE ACHIEVED OUR GOAL THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE FUNDS SET ASIDE, YOU KNOW, UH, OVER THE PERIOD OF, YOU KNOW, X AMOUNT OF YEARS. 
          BUT I, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THIS AS COMMITTING US TO THE SAME DOLLARS EVERY SINGLE YEAR. 
          I SEE IT AS THIS IS SEED MONEY. 
          LET'S SEE HOW IT GETS GOING. 
          LET'S GET THESE PROPERTIES CONVERTED OVER, AND THEN IF IT'S SUCCESSFUL, MAYBE WE DO TWO THE SAME. 
          OR MAYBE WE JUST REDUCE IT BACK AND SAY WILLIAM THIS YEAR, BUT IT'S STILL ACHIEVES THE SAME GOAL. 
          THIS IS WHAT THIS IS REALLY WANT TO HELP WITH HER OUT. 
          I MEAN, EVENTUALLY ALL OF THE LEG AND GALVANIZED PIPE WOULD BE REPLACED IF WE DID IT, THE WATERSIDE WOULD END AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO MEMBER, AND HE DID BREAK UP A POINT, I THINK, UH, EXPLORERS WOULD WE BE OPEN TO? AND SO THEY DO HAVE THE LATERAL INSURANCE AND IT'S $500,000. 
          YOU PAY HIM A THOUSAND AND THE INSURANCE COMPANY WOULD BE PAYING INTO OUR HOUSE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO AS PART OF THE CRITERIA, CHECK, CHECK WITH YOUR INSURANCE, OR WHEN THEY, WHEN WE WORK WITH THEM, WE NEED TO HAVE HIM VERIFY WHAT THEIR POLICY IS OR ALLOW US TO SEE, BECAUSE SOME OF THEM TWO SEPARATE CALLS THAT'D BE REIMBURSABLE. 
          RIGHT? LIKE WE WOULDN'T WRITE IT TOGETHER. 
          YEAH. 
          SO NOBODY'S GOING TO BUY THE $35 WARRANTY CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO PAY AND NOBODY'S GOING TO GET A DEDUCTIBLE INSURANCE. 
          WHY WOULDN'T YOU  YOU'RE MOVING HERE OR YOU'RE MOVING SOMEWHERE. 
          I MEAN, DID YOU TAKE THAT FAR INTO IT? LIKE, I'M CURIOUS, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S WATCHING THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING TO SEE IF THE TOWN PROVIDES THIS GALVANIZED OR IT, I MEAN, WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE, RIGHT? WE, WE DID A SPLIT PROGRAM OF SOME SORT BEFORE, OR WE DID, IT WAS A CURB, CURB AND GUTTER. 
          YEAH, WE DID. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, DO A LOT OF PEOPLE CLAMORING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT? WELL, THE CURB AND GUTTER, WHEN THE CURB AND GUTTER WAS ON SALE AND THE BEGINNING OF THE TWO THOUSANDS PEOPLE DID, BECAUSE THEY SAID YOU CAN GET IT AT THIS PRICE, THAT'S $6 A FOOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND THEN IF YOU DIDN'T DO IT, IF THE DEAL CAME ALONG WITH A LATER, IT WAS LIKE $12 A FOOT. 
          AND THEN YEAH. 
          SO YEAH, IT WAS LIKE, I'M LAUGHING CAUSE THEY CALL IT THE CURB AND GUTTER SALE, BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY THE BENEFIT. 
          I JUST WANT TO SAY THE WHOLE IDEA WAS THE CURB AND GUTTER WITH IT'S ACTUALLY BENEFITED THE TOWN. 
          I MEAN, SO THE TOWN DID IT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO, I WAS LIKE ME IN THIS PROGRAM FOR THAT. 
          I WAS LIKE IN THIS PROGRAM, THE CURB AND GUTTER PROGRAM, AND WE GOT A PROGRAM KIRTLAND DONORS ON TALENT PROPERTY. 
          THIS IS PERSONAL PROPERTY. 
          YEAH, NO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT PEOPLE DID TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. 
          CAUSE IT ALSO INCREASED THEIR PROPERTY VALUE, WHICH I WOULD SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, IS THAT NOBODY WANTS TO BUY A HOUSE THAT THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND $10,000 FIRST. 
          ARE YOU SUGGESTING SCOTT THAT WE JUST, UM, OR THAT, THAT THAT'S JUST THEIR OWN RESPONSIBILITY AND THAT THE TOWNSHIP YOU'RE INVOLVED IN THAT YOU'RE SEPARATING THEM YEAH. 
          IN THE WHOLE THING OR ARE YOU SEPARATING THEM OUT? W W W W WE'RE CHANGING THE PRACTICE FROM IT 
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GOING FROM, THIS IS THE INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY. 
          NOW IT'S THE TOWN'S RESPONSIBILITY AND WE'RE GOING TO PAY MONEY INTO IT WHERE IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WHEN A HOUSE CHANGES HANDS, PEOPLE HAVE FULL KNOWLEDGE OF, UM, WHETHER THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE AND THEY ALSO HAVE AT LEAST TWO OPTIONS WE'VE IDENTIFIED FOR ADDRESSING IT. 
          AND WE'RE JUST, IT JUST SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE'RE THROWING AWAY MONEY BECAUSE, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS PJ. 
          BUT SO LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THE SEWER, I THINK THIS EXAMPLE NOT HURTS US IF IT'S A BAD SEWER LINE AND THAT CAUSED OUR PROBLEM WITH INI, WHICH, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, WE ENDED UP GETTING, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CORRECT WORD IS FOR CONSENT ORDER, THE CONSENT ORDER, BECAUSE WE CAN'T MANAGE OUR, I CALLED WELL, I MEAN, BUT THAT THE PROBLEM WAS SOMEBODY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT WASN'T THAT MORE, THE MAIN LINES, OR AT LEAST THE MAIN LINES WERE IMPLICATED, NOT SO MUCH THE LATERAL LINES, IT'S EVERYTHING, THAT'S THE LATERAL LINES PORTION OF THAT. 
          SO UNTIL, UNTIL WE, UNTIL WE ADOPT THIS PROGRAM, WE'RE STILL JUST ON THE MAIN LINES AND WE MAY BECOME AWARE OF THE LATERAL LINE ISSUE, BUT WE WOULD KICK IT TO THE HOMEOWNER TO FIX IT WELL. 
          BUT I THINK IF THEY PLAY INTO IT, THE LATERAL LINES PLAY INTO IT. 
          ISN'T JUST ONE OR THE OTHER. 
          I MEAN, UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF INI ISSUE, THERE'S LATERAL LINES. 
          BUT I MEAN, RIGHT NOW THERE THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE CATEGORIES. 
          SO WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANT TO DO? YEAH, I AM BECAUSE I'M NOT, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE GENERAL FUND KICK IN AT THE END. 
          I THOUGHT THIS WAS ALREADY THROUGH THE ENTERPRISE FUND, WHICH AGAIN GOES BACK TO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS THE WAY WE DELIVER SERVICE AND WE HAVE TO HAVE SOLID SEWER LINES ARE A LOT OF WATER LINES, AND THIS IS INWARD AT THE END OF THE DAY, SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINES, OUR RATES END UP COMPENSATING FOR THE MONIES THAT ARE COMING OUT OF OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS. 
          THEN, THEN I'M OKAY WITH THIS. 
          UM, ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CREDIT CARD FEES. 
          UM, I'LL GIVE THAT UP THE ORDINANCE PROPOSED REGULATION. 
          UH, SO A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, I GUESS WE GAVE YOU A HEADS UP, I GUESS YOU WANT IT, THE PROCESS OF THE BLENDED PROGRAM AND WITH WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, NOT DEFORMITIES GREEN AND WHITE, I GUESS SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WOULDN'T FIX SOME OF THEIR PROPERTIES JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FORM B. 
          SO I'M GOING THROUGH THIS AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSIONER, I GUESS STEVEN JUST BROUGHT UP SOMETHING, I GUESS, UM, LOOK AT THAT SECTION. 
          UM, SO WE DID SOME RED LINING, UH, PLAN COMMISSION THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY. 
          UM, THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE IN THE SECTION, OKAY, LET ME BRING UP WHERE A PLANNING COMMISSION DID. 
          IS I JUST, AGAIN, I JUST WOULD LIKE A COMFORT LEVEL. 
          SOME OF IT STILL REQUIRES US TO TAKE IT TO COUNCIL AND YOU ALL TO CLEAR BLIGHTED OR NOT, OR YOU CAN, UM, MR. NEIGHBOR, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO, UH, HELP US HERE. 
          THE CODE IS ALWAYS REQUIRES 10 COUNTS OF DETERMINANT THAT WE COULD, UM, HAVE THE TOWN MANAGER TO DETERMINE IT AND EXPEDITE IT VERSUS WAITING FOR IT TO GET ON THE AGENDA PROCESS. 
          UH, SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT CHRIS AND I WERE BRIEFLY DISCUSSING AGAIN, WHILE THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDING THIS, UH, I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL CAREFULLY, DETERMINE IF COUNCIL WANTS TO BE INVOLVED IN IT AND WE CAN CHANGE IT. 
          BUT DOUG BUTTERED THE CODE. 
          I MEAN, IS IT ONE OF THE CODES THAT COUNCIL CAN DO IT OR IS IT SPECIFICALLY A STATE? I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I THINK, UM, I THINK YOU AND I CAN TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY, IT'S SOMETHING YOU TELL THE MANAGER. 
          SHOULD YOU READ THE SECTION SECTION 1 75 HEIGHT FROM 1 31 AS WELL AS THAT'S A AND THE, UM, WELL, I, THE WHOLE SECTION IS REQUIRED COUNSELING 
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TOO. 
          WELL, THEY HAD A MANAGER AND THAT WAS CROSS TOWN. 
          PC RECOMMENDATION. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE, UH, AND I DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH IT EASIER. 
          I IT'D BE THE MIRROR OF CHRIS. 
          THERE IS A PILL PROCESS. 
          THOSE ARE STILL THROUGH THE BOARD. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S YOUR NAME? YES. 
          1 75. 
          SO PEOPLE DON'T AGREE WITH MY DECISION, THEN IT'S A FORMAL PROCESS. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. 
          AS LONG AS THEY FELT LIKE THEY COULD PICK IT UP. 
          AND THEN THAT ONE, SECTION 1 75 DASH ONE 30 DOT A WHERE IT SAYS REDLINE ADDITION SEEMS REDUNDANT. 
          DID YOU? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT WAS PROBABLY TYPE OF WEEK. 
          WE, THAT WAS PROBABLY OUR NOTE IN THERE TO OURSELVES WHEN WE WROTE IT, UH, GO AFTER READING IT, THE MORE TIMES IT KIND OF SEEMED LIKE THE PORTION OF THE RED LINE WAS ACTUALLY KIND OF SAYING WHAT THE ACTUAL TEXT OF THE, YEAH. 
          SO, SO WE KIND OF LEFT IT IN THERE AND DID LEAVE THE NOTE JUST SO IT DIDN'T GET SLIPPED IN THERE BY ACCIDENT. 
          IF THAT'S, IF YOU FELT THAT IT WAS STILL REDUNDANT, THAT THE ACTUAL CODE ITSELF COVERED, UM, ALL THROUGH ALTERATION IS NOT DEFORMITIES. 
          UM, CAUSE I GUESS YOU'RE BASICALLY STATEMENT EXCEPT BY APPROVAL OF SPECIAL USE PERMIT BY TOWN COUNCIL, NONCONFORMITY USE BUILDING OR STRUCTURE SHALL NOT BE ENLARGED. 
          HOWEVER, NON-CANCER MAY APPROVED BY A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT ALREADY. 
          SO THAT'S HOW WE KIND OF THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF REDUNDANT, BUT WE KIND OF STILL LEFT THE ENERGIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WAY YOU READ IT AS WELL, IT DOES SEEM HER DONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE I MEAN, UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE SEES IT DIFFERENTLY, BUT YOU'VE ALREADY SAID IT'S PROVED SPECIAL ASSAULT. 
          SO THEN YOU'RE SAYING HOWEVER, RAIL THAT WILL NOT CREATE A NEW NON-CONFORMITY. 
          I THINK THAT WAS THE PART THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN THE ADDITIONAL THING IS THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T SHALL NOT BE ENLARGED GREASER EXTENDED TO OKAY. 
          SO MIRROR, SO AREAS WHERE WE CAN CHANGE,  SEE PLANNING COMMISSION IS ALREADY GREW THIS. 
          SO WHEN WE GO TO OUR REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETINGS REQUEST PUBLIC HEARING, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL WANT TO GO BACK TO PLAY WITH. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO CHRIS, I HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING REQUEST EXCEPTED IN THE SEPTEMBER. 
          RIGHT. 
          THANKS. 
          GOING TO BE A LOT FOR YOU THOUGH. 
          I MEAN, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE. 
          WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE LESS COUNSEL. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT IT WOULD STILL BE REQUIRE A LOT OF WORK BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. 
          ANYWAYS, WE WOULD HAVE TO TOUCH IT. 
          YOU STILL HAVE THE COUNCIL COUNCIL STILL HAS THE BLIGHT, THE PROPERTY, THE NEXT STEP AND EVERYTHING. 
          IF HE LIFTED IN YOURS WOULD BE WITH THE NONCONFORMANCE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY THAT YOU CAN IMPROVE IT AND EVEN YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          GIVES ME THE ABILITY TO WORK WITH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANKS. 
          SO NEXT WE GOT THE CROSS ACROSS THE ROAD LIFTED THAT I'M AMAZED THAT DOES THAT PROPERTY GO BACK BEYOND THE RAILROAD TRACKS? NO. 
          UM, WELL IT GOES ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACKS. 
          IT'S A WEIRD, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MAN LISTED, IT'S JUST A WEIRD LOT AND THEY REALLY CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT. 
          SO I THINK, UH, UH, MR. SIMON WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO DEED OVER THAT BACK PORTION OF THE PROPERTIES TO THE OTHER TWO PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          I MEAN, I THINK A FAMILY MEMBER ANYWAY, JUST TO KIND OF STRAIGHTEN EVERYTHING UP AND GET RID OF THE ODD SHAPED LOT. 
          UM, WOULD IT MAKE IT EASIER? WOULD IT MAKE IT BETTER FOR THEM THAT, UH, IT IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD MATTER REALLY WOULDN'T MATTER. 
          IT REALLY WOULDN'T MATTER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I MEAN THEY WERE PLAYING ARE BUILDING A TOWNHOUSE, THEIR UNIT, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL THEY CAN FIT. 
          JUST ONE, I THINK ORIGINALLY HE WANTED TWO OR THREE THINKING HE COULD GO FARTHER BACK. 
          AND THERE'S JUST THAT, THAT THE LOT ITSELF HAS JUST THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK. 
          SO IF HE DID LIKE A DUPLEX THAT FACED CROSBY ROAD, RIGHT? MY ONLY QUESTION WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT IS HE WOULDN'T BE TRYING TO BUILD ANOTHER DUPLEX CLOSER TO THE BACK OF THE CARNIVAL PROPERTY. 
          RIGHT. 
          THERE WOULD BE NO ENTRANCE. 
          SO I THINK THEY'RE IN THE PACK OF THEY'RE ACTUALLY, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          THERE WAS ONE WHERE IT SAID IT WASN'T TO SCALE. 
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YEAH. 
          SO WE KIND OF DREW IT UP, UM, DURING THE PROCESS OF ACTUALLY WHAT HE COULD FIT IN THERE. 
          LEGAL, WHEN WE WERE FIRST WRITING IT UP, LEGAL ASKED HOW MANY TOWNHOUSES WERE THEY THINKING? UM, BASED OFF OF THE SETBACKS AND THE CODE, IT WAS THIS ONE WHERE IT WAS LIKE RED ONE THAT'S ON THIS SIDE OF THE OTHER HOUSES, BUT I GUESS SMALL ONE, BUT HE COULD GET ONE, HE COULD FIT IT IN. 
          BUT THE REST OF THE REST OF THAT THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY WOULD JUST ATTACH, ATTACH IT TO THESE PROPERTIES. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT'S WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO, HE WOULDN'T HAVE TO, THERE'S NO REASON. 
          UM, HE JUST OFFERED IT UP. 
          CAUSE I THINK OUR FAMILY, SO YOU JUST GOING TO INCREASE THEIR BACKYARDS? I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN IT'S NOT REQUIRED. 
          YEAH, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          I WAS, MY ONLY THOUGHT WAS THAT IT BACKS UP TO THE TOWN'S LAND. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I JUST, I SAW THAT AND THOUGHT, WELL THERE'S NO LIKE IF HE WANTED TO BUILD SOMETHING OVER HERE, CAUSE IT HAS, YOU KNOW, A TOWNHOUSE OVER IN THIS LITTLE CORNER OVER HERE, BUT IT WOULD HAVE NO IDEA. 
          CORRECT. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT YOU COULD HAVE PUT OUT THERE WOULD BE AN ET CETERA, RESTRUCTURE. 
          HE WANTED TO BUILD SOME TYPE OF GARAGE OR SHED AND HE COULD MAKE HIMSELF ACCESS A LITTLE PRIVATE DRIVEWAY SO HE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THEN THERE'D BE NO ISSUE OR WHOEVER THE OWNERS. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS CHRIS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          DISCUSSION STEVEN. 
          YES. 
          SO THERE COUNCIL MEMBERS, THERE IS, I, I DISCUSSED WITH YOU ALL LAST MONTH THAT WE WILL BE REVISITING THE URBAN FORESTRY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, TO, UH, CREATE AN, UH, SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          AND I JUST WANT TO HAVE A GENERAL DISCUSSION WHILE WE'RE GOING DOWN THIS PATH OF SOME CONCURRENCE ON ONE, UH, WE WILL CHANGE IT FROM SEVEN MEMBERS TO FIVE MEMBERS. 
          UH, ONE OF THE MEMBERS WILL BE A STAFF OF I'M ALSO CONSIDERING HAVING A 18 YEAR OLD WHO'S AT A HIGH SCHOOL TO BE PART OF IT, JUST TO GET A, YOU KNOW, MORE OF THE YOUTH, UH, THOUGHT ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY. 
          AND THEN THE REMAINING WILL BE INDIVIDUALS THAT LIVE IN THE TOWN, BUT IT WILL TOUCH STILL ON THE URBAN FORESTRY CANOPY ISSUES. 
          BUT I THINK THE URBAN FORESTRY AREA IS JUST ONE FACET OF SUSTAINABILITY. 
          AND AS WE GO THROUGH OUR LAND USE COMP PLAN, ONE OF THE ELEMENTS WILL BE NATURAL RESOURCES, SUSTAINABILITY. 
          AND I JUST THINK THAT THIS GROUP WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP OUT IN THAT DISCUSSION. 
          SO I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, A GOOD ADVISORY GROUP THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTAL AND NATURAL RESOURCES TO INCLUDE URBAN CANOPY. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'LL BE PRESENTING SOME TEXT AMENDMENTS ON THAT IN AUGUST. 
          I LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING USEFUL, LIKE THEIR FUTURE NEXT JAKE AIRBNB REAL EASY ONE. 
          HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE CHANGE THE ORDINANCE TO OF MAYBE AIRBNB HIP CAMP AND SWIM PLEA? HAVE Y'ALL HEARD OF SIMPLY I CAN'T NO. 
          OH, YOUR SWIMMING POOL FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS. 
          IF YOU HAVE A HOLE, YOU CAN RENT IT OUT ON AN APP. 
          SO I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE IT ALL INCLUSIVE. 
          LIKE IF YOU CAN WRITE OUT ANYTHING ON YOUR PROPERTY, HIP CAMP IS WHERE YOU'LL ALLOW PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE TRAVELING FROM PLACE TO PLACE AND MAYBE THEY JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO SHOWER. 
          SO THEY MIGHT PARK IN YOUR DRIVEWAY. 
          WE GOT PEOPLE LIKE THAT NOW. 
          WOW. 
          SOUTH STREET, ANYWAYS, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN APPROACHED SO MANY TIMES, UH, IN ALASKA, LITERALLY IN THE LAST, LIKE TWO AND A HALF WEEKS ABOUT, UM, PEOPLE WANTING, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO HERE, BABY, AROUND HERE, ME TO BE DONE AROUND CLARK COUNTY, UM, YOU KNOW, WINCHESTER. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S REALLY WHY. 
          SO LET ME CLARIFY SOMETHING FIRST. 
          AIRBNB. 
          I SAY AIRBNB IS A COMPANY IT'S NOT ACTUALLY. 
          SO I THINK THE TERMINOLOGY WOULD CALL SHORT-TERM RENTALS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE'S KIND OF CALLING IT WHEN THEY CALL US IN SHORT TERM. 
          SO I MEAN, AIRBNB IS A CORPORATION. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF LEGALITY, WHATEVER. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SHORT-TERM RENTALS. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT WAS A THING. 
          ALL WE NEED IS THE COUNCIL'S GUIDANCE. 
          AND THEN TELL US TO LOOK INTO IT AND BRING IT BACK. 
          I'M ALL ABOUT IT. 
          OUR SECOND OR THIRD MEETING  
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COUNTY, WHATEVER HAPPENS, NO DISCUSSION WHEN I WENT TO THE COUNTY BECAUSE THE COUNTY, YEAH. 
          WHAT PREVENTS THIS WHEN WE WERE GONNA THAT'S. 
          CAUSE WE NEVER HAD THE MEETING WITH THE COUNTY. 
          WE NEVER HAD THE MEETING WITH . 
          HE BROUGHT IT UP RESEARCH AND THIS IS WHAT PREVENTS IT IS. 
          THE COUNTY BASICALLY PREVENTED SHORT-TERM RENTALS WITHIN AN ORDINANCE TO NOT ALLOW IT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. 
          SO HOW DO WE COUNTERACT THAT? IS THIS AN ISSUE? WELL, IF WE'RE MY UNDERSTANDING AND OBVIOUSLY DOUG'S ONTO SOMEBODY, IF I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE COULDN'T AS A TOWN, ALLOW IT. 
          IF THE COUNTY DOESN'T WANT TO, THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT IN OUR TOWN LIMITS IS THE COUNTY'S RULE ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS. 
          SEE OURS. 
          SO FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY, WHAT THEY PASSED WAS THAT YOU HAVE TO LITERALLY HAVE YOUR SEPTIC INSPECTED THE SAME WAY A HOTEL WOULD. 
          AND SO IT BECOMES  SYSTEMS ASEPTIC OR WHATEVER I KNOW. 
          AND THIS IS WHERE THE TOWN OF AROUND TOWN, WATER, WRONG TOWN, SEWER. 
          SO THAT MAYBE DOESN'T APPLY. 
          SO MAYBE THAT'S THE WAY AROUND US, IF THAT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS, WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM. 
          AND THAT CAN BE A VERY QUICK PATHWAY TO SAY, WELL, IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY OUTLAW OR IN MY OPINION OF THIS TOO, IS EVEN IF THAT IS THE CASE AND I'D LIKE TO BUBBLE IT UP AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, BECAUSE I WOULD FEEL LIKE THIS WOULD GAIN A LOT OF TRACTION. 
          WELL, THIS GOES BACK TO MY POINT ABOUT WHERE ARE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO STAY FOR THIS TRAVEL TOURISM. 
          IF WE CAN'T DO THAT B AND BS, I MEAN, I'VE GOT, I GOT THIS IN. 
          SO YOU ALL ARE ON YOUR OWN, BUT UH, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS NEEDS TO BE AN OPTION FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS DONE. 
          I THINK I, I THINK I, I THINK I SUPPORT THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, CLEVER CAUTION. 
          I GREW UP IN A TOWN WHERE, UM, THIS IS A TOURIST TOWN AND WITHIN MY LIFETIME, IT WENT FROM LONG TERM SEASONAL RENTALS TO SHORT TERM RENTALS AND LIGHTING UPON OUR TOWN. 
          PEOPLE DON'T LIVE HERE, JUST BUY A PROPERTY, RAN INTO ANYBODY. 
          IT COULD BE A PACK OF COLLEGE KIDS OR WHATEVER ELSE, UM, WHO COULD TRASH THE PLACE FOR A WEEK OR A, OR A WEEKEND AND LEAVE IT. 
          PEOPLE WHO OWN IT HAVE REALLY NO, UM, INCENTIVE TO REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT WHO'S RENTING AND WHAT PROPERTY. 
          UM, AND SO I, THEY WERE INVITING MAJOR CHANGES TO THE, UH, EXPERIENCE OF LIVING IN TOWN, JUST THE THOUGHT. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S BEEN THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SPOKEN AT THE CAMP, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME OUT AND EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT IT WAS THAT VERY THING WAS THAT HOW WAS WHETHER OR NOT SOMEBODY WAS REALLY, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY WAS GOING TO BE SHARING THE SPACE BESIDE THEIR HOUSE FOR THE WEEKEND OR WHATEVER, AND WAS ANYBODY REALLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE ANYBODY, UH, BEING PICKY AND CHOOSY ABOUT WHO THEY WERE RENTING IT TO, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M. 
          I MEAN, AND SO, SO I MEAN, JUST TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH IS IF YOU VACATION IN HATTERAS OR THE OUTER BANKS. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF, OF, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF SETUP, I MEAN, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE OPENING FROM ROYAL TO B TO B PLEASE RENTALS. 
          AREN'T JUST RENTING THE WHOLE HOUSE OUT. 
          SOMETIMES IT'S YOU ARE RENTING THE BASEMENT APARTMENT, YOU ARE RENTING A ROOM AND I'M STILL THERE. 
          SO I'M GOING TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING SITUATION. 
          SO I WENT AND RUN IT OFF ALL SHORT-TERM RENTALS BASED ON THOSE ELEMENTS. 
          AND I THINK THE TYPE OF TOURISTS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT TOO. 
          IF YOU'RE COMING UP HERE, YOU'RE COMING TO THE MOUNTAIN. 
          YOU'RE NOT GOING DOWN TO HAVE LIKE YOUR WILLY WELL BACHELORETTE PARTY, FOR INSTANCE, FOR THE MOST PART. 
          AND WHEN WE DO HAVE PROPERTIES WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN PARTY ISSUES AND THAT'S BEEN THE ISSUES WITH THE NEIGHBORS, NEIGHBORS, THEY WERE TOO LOUD AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          IT WASN'T NECESSARILY THE TRASH TO ANYTHING. 
          AND THEY WERE TOO LOUD. 
          IN WHICH CASE I THINK YOU JUST CALL LAW ENFORCEMENT AND HE GETS MAD. 
          I MEAN, WHERE I LIVE, I HAVE APARTMENTS BESIDE ME AND IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          IT'S LIKE A REVOLVING DOOR OVER THERE. 
          IT REALLY IS. 
          AND I THINK THAT SHE CAN, HE CAN TELL YOU, THE POLICE ARE OVER THERE MORE THAN THEY WERE ANYWHERE ELSE. 
          UM, UM, I'M ACTUALLY NOT DISAGREEING. 
          I'M JUST RAISING AN ISSUE FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          OH, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          I ASKED HER, I SAID, BABY PROOFING, SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO TALK ABOUT LIKE, WHAT WOULD, WHY WOULD SOMEBODY BE AGAINST IT? AND THAT WOULD BE THE, I MEAN, I KNOW I HAD A CITIZEN CALL ME RECENTLY BECAUSE THE RENT, THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THEM IS BEING RENTED TO SOME TWO, UH, COLLEGE STUDENTS. 
          AND THEY'RE RESTED. 
          THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD IS KIND 
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OF QUIET AND THEY'RE HAVING PARTIES AND PARKING IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          SO LIKE IN MY HEAD, THAT WOULD, NOW THAT YOU SAID THAT I'M THINKING THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT SOME PEOPLE WOULD BE AGAINST, BUT, AND YOU HAVE TO LIKE TELL PEOPLE YOU DON'T OWN THE STREET IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE EITHER, RIGHT? YOU REALLY DON'T STREET  IF THERE IS A CODE THOUGH THAT YOU, THAT THE COUNTY BOARD SO MANY ALLOWS IT AND THEY HAVE A LIMIT ON PEOPLE AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          SO WHEN YOU GET A PERMIT, WHICH GRADES REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY, YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN, HOW YOU'RE GOING TO MANAGE YOUR SHORT-TERM RENTS. 
          AND IT'S LIMITED TO EIGHT PEOPLE AND THE RESIDENTS. 
          SO THE COUNTY DOES, I MEAN, THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY 20 TO 30, YOU KNOW, SHORT TERM RENTS. 
          AND THEN I WAS ACTUALLY TURNING AROUND AS CHRIS IT'S FOUR PEOPLE CAN LIVE THAN A HOUSE THAT'S RENTED, BUT THAT WOULD BE A REALLY RIGHT. 
          WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY IN THE CODE. 
          THAT WAS A LEGAL INTERPRETATION FROM NOT PULLING OFF DOUG HERE. 
          UM, YOU CAN HAVE FOUR NON-RELATED MEMBERS LIVING, IN FACT IN THE R ONE ZONES WOULD COUNT. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS HIS INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE ITSELF. 
          SO, OKAY. 
           WELL, THERE BE, BE AN APP OR OTHER APPS FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          UM, I MEAN THERE'S NOTHING IN FRONT OF VAL. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S ABOUT 10 RIGHT NOW THAT ARE LISTED ON THE APP WHERE YOU START IN THOSE HOUSES. 
          WELL, I ALREADY GAVE YOU PLENTY OF HOW THIS THAT'S A GOOD TREND, I THINK. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS GET THE BALL ROLLING ON THIS. 
          I LIKE TO DO, UM, THE, THE OTHER THING I THINK IS MY REFERRAL NAME AND BABY, I WASN'T AWARE UNTIL RECENTLY THAT YOU COULD PAY THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT TO COME OUT AND TRENCH A LINE INTO YOUR BACKYARD AND INSTALL A, LITERALLY AN ELECTRIC POLE WITH A GIANT LIKE, UM, THAT SHINES DAY AND NIGHT AND YOUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS TO HAVE SUNLIGHT IN THERE, ISN'T IT ONLY, IT ONLY COSTS $150 TO DO IT, BUT IT'S THE ONE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, ISN'T A HOTEL PROPERTY USUALLY LIKE ALLEYWAYS OR SOMETHING BEHIND PROPERTIES. 
          NO, THIS IS IN THEIR PROPERTY. 
          ONLY CAN BRING US UP TO SPEED. 
          YEAH. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT THE TOWN CODE SAYS IS THAT WE WILL, WE CAN DO IT, BUT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO REAL. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE EVER HAD A MURDER CLASS IN AN UNDERGROUND NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, NORMALLY WHEN WE GET THE CLASS, WE ARE REQUIRED TO PUT A STREETLIGHT ON EVERY OTHER ELECTRICAL GOAL. 
          SOMETIMES WE HAVE SOME PERSON WHO FEELS UNSAFE, FEELS LIKE THEY'RE NOT GETTING ENOUGH LIGHT. 
          AND THEY'LL ASK US TO INSTALL WHAT WE CALL A DUSK TO DAWN LIGHT. 
          WE CHARGE THEM $11 AND 78 CENTS PER MONTH ADDED TO THEIR MONTHLY UTILITY BILL. 
          AND THEN WE MAINTAIN IT. 
          SO IF THE LIGHT GOES OUT, WE COME OUT AND WE REPLACE THE HORN, GOES OUT, WE GET A PHONE CALL. 
          THE LIGHTS IS A SERVICE THAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR. 
          IT IS ONLY $150 IN THE EVENT THAT WE HAVE TO INSTALL A POLE. 
          UM, YEAH, THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT, THE WAY THAT THE FEES IN THE CODE, I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THIS. 
          UM, AND I WOULD LIKE COUNCIL SUPPORT ON DOING THIS PROPOSAL BECAUSE IT'S CHEAP, GIANT. 
          THAT'S INCLUDING THE LUMBER 11 RIGHT NOW, THE EXTENSIVE, I THINK THERE'S ABOUT SIX, SIX. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT FROM YOUR HOUSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THERE IS ABOUT SIX NEIGHBORS THAT IMMEDIATELY KNOCKED ON MY DOOR. 
          I'M ALL MAD THAT THAT JUST HAPPENED. 
          AND, UM, AND THERE'S FOLIAGE RIGHT NOW. 
          AND SO ONCE THAT ALL GOES AWAY AND THE ENTIRE ROW OF HOUSES IS GOING TO GET A NICE, BRIGHT LIGHT AND DOWN THE WAY WITHIN, IN A BACKYARD THAT THEY CLEARED IT ALL OUT. 
          AND SO THE ENTIRE BACKYARD OF ALL THE NEIGHBORS IS ALL LIT UP. 
          YEAH. 
          I WOULDN'T LIKE THAT EITHER. 
          IF THERE'S AN EXISTING POLE, IT'S JUST $11. 
          NO, THAT'S NOT NORMAL. 
          SOMETIMES THEY DO EXIST. 
          THEY'RE AROUND TOWN, BUT THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE FIRST ONE THAT HAPPENED IN AN NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS UNDERGROUND. 
          THAT'S THE PART, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO COST $50. 
          AND THEN THE TAIL OF PAPER, ALL THE WIRING AND EVERYTHING AND LET IT GO AND DO IT. 
          AND ALL THE BARRY, THE $12 A MONTH, THAT'S CHEAPER THAN PUTTING YOUR UP. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          SO THIS CAN BE DONE. 
          I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, ABLE TO BE DONE NOW THAT I'VE SEEN IT. 
          AND NOW THAT I REALIZE THAT THE TOWN LOSES ITS SHIRT ON THAT, UM, YOU WILL WANT IN YOUR BACKYARD, I'LL PAY TO WORK FOR RIGHT ON THAT NEIGHBORS LINE, 
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THE SHIELDS FACING THAT WAY. 
          SO THE GUIDANCE IS TO ELIMINATE IT OR LOOK AT THESE, WHAT IS THE REPAYMENT? YEAH, SURE. 
          IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE. 
          I'M SURE. 
          FOR A LITTLE OLD LADY WHO FELT LIKE SHE WAS NOT, SHE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH WHITE IN FRONT OF HER HOUSE, IN HER HOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST MISSING THAT. 
          WE PROVIDE ALL YOUR OWN FLOOD LIGHTS BACK UP THERE, LIKE ALLEYWAYS STOLE A FLOODLIGHT. 
          WILL YOU SAY THAT, BUT MAYBE IT'S NOT AS EASY, $150. 
          THAT'S REALLY CHEAP. 
          THAT'S REALLY CHEAP. 
          I MEAN, HOME WOULD COST MORE THAN A HUNDRED DOLLARS. 
          MAYBE WHAT I SUGGEST IS THAT THIS IS COMMON TO LOCALITIES WHO PROVIDE ELECTRIC SERVICE TO DO IT. 
          THE DIFFERENCES WITH SCORING TO THIS IS WE HAVE ZERO CRITERIA AND YOU'RE GENEROUS OF, OF HOW WE INSTALL IT AND WHATEVER, I THINK, INSTEAD OF ELIMINATING THE PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS TO DO A SAFETY ASSESSMENT, CRIME ASSESSMENT, AND THEN ALSO DETERMINE WHAT THE COST IS, ACTUALLY, A TIME OF MATERIAL FALLS. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH. 
          I THINK YOU SHOULD ALSO HAVE NEIGHBORS LEAN ON IT. 
          AND THEN ALSO, DEPENDING ON THE, UH, I FORGOT WHAT THEY CALL THE LIGHT SPAN OR WHATEVER QUARTER ACRE, LOT THAT THEY, UM, THEY DO GET, UH, THEIR NEIGHBORS TO, TO AGREE TO THAT. 
          THAT'S A TOUGH ONE THERE TOO, BECAUSE YOUR NEIGHBORS CAN CHANGE. 
          I MEAN, I COULD BE  CREDIT CARD AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, PAY FOR YOUR NEIGHBORS, BLACKOUT CURTAINS. 
          I MEAN IT'S YEAH. 
          IS, IS, IS A CONSENSUS TO ELIMINATED OR IS THERE CONSENSUS THE SAME CRITERIA? I LIKE, LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, AND THEN I KNOW THIS, THE ONLY OTHER REQUEST I HAVE FOR EACH ON PARKWAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED RECENTLY. 
          LIKE THERE'S A LAND SHIFT OR SOMETHING, BUT THE SIDEWALK HAS BUCKLED ALREADY. 
          I'M ON IT. 
          I'VE BEEN ON IT. 
          AND THEY, HOW THEY FIXED THEIR SPOT. 
          THERE WERE AT LEAST FIVE SPOTS WHERE IT HAPPENED BECAUSE NO TWO OF THEM HAVE BEEN ON THERE FOR A LONG TIME, BUT THEN I WALKED THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET AND THERE WAS LIKE SINKHOLES, LIKE LITERALLY. 
          BUT I, BUT SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, I JUST WANT TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. 
          SO IT'S SIDEWALK AND THEN THE REPAIR IS ASPHALT. 
          IS THAT THE POINT WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CUT OUT ALL THE OTHER SECTIONS. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE GET A CONCRETE TRUCK OR NOT CONCRETE CREWS, I DIDN'T WANT TO CAUSE THAT ALREADY COMPLAINED ONCE THE EXPANSION OF CONTRACTION AND ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, SOIL GOING A LITTLE BIT WHEN HE GETS IT, IT, BUT IT WAS LIKE ALMOST TRIPLE HIS JOGGING. 
          SO I WAS LIKE, I GOTTA SAVE SKY , BUT THAT'S GOOD. 
          BUT I'M GLAD THAT OTHER PEOPLE NOTICED IT'S JUST SUCH A WONDERFUL PLACE TO WALK. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT PLACE IS BUSY. 
          YOU SHOULDN'T BE RACING ON THE SIDEWALKS. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I LIVE IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I WALK OVER AND GET ONLY TRUCKS, PEOPLE PARK IT AND WALK ALL THE TIME. 
          IT'S ALL SIDEWALK. 
          SO ANOTHER ORDINANCE I GUESS, IS, UH, MARKED VEHICLES. 
          I KNOW, UH, I HAD TALKED WITH STEVEN THIS PAST WEEKEND, UM, AND UH, I THINK CHIEF'S AWARE THAT, OKAY. 
          IT WAS MAIN STREET THAT HAD A ROCK IN ITS WINDSHIELD, FOUR FLAT TIRES, AND WE CAN DO ANYTHING FOR 10 DAYS BECAUSE THEY HAD THE OWNER HAS TO BE NOTIFIED. 
          SO THE VEHICLE SITS THERE FOR 10 DAYS. 
          ARE YOU SAYING IT'S VANDALIZED OR JUST AN OLD VEHICLE? WELL, FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD, UH, SOME KIDS GOT OUT OF THE VEHICLE, THREW A ROCK INTO THE WINDSHIELD AND SLICED THE FOUR TIRES AND LEFT. 
          AND I THINK IS IT STOLEN? THEY CAME BY AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF CHIEF COULD GET INTO IT, BUT WE CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING WITH THE VEHICLE FOR 10 DAYS BECAUSE THEY WANTED US TO BE NOTIFIED. 
          UM, AND I THINK THEY WERE NOTIFIED THAT THEY HAD LIKE 10 DAYS UP LANES TO REMOVE THE VEHICLE. 
          AM I RIGHT STEVEN? RIGHT AS A STOLEN VEHICLE. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, IT'S NOT A STOLEN, BUT DESPITE IF IT'S THIS BIG OR ANY VEHICLE, ANY VEHICLE  VEHICLE, AS LONG AS IT HAS TAGS AND INSPECTION, IT CAN STAY ON THE RIGHT AWAY FOR 10 DAYS. 
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YEAH. 
          NOW, AND I'VE NOTICED, UH, THERE I'VE NOTICED A VEHICLE THAT'S BEEN SETTING ON IS ON A STREET FOR, I KNEW THREE TO FOUR YEARS AND IT'S GOT A CAR COVER ON IT. 
          UH, ANOTHER VEHICLE IT'S GOT, UH, THE ATTACKS ON IT. 
          I THINK THEY'VE GOT TAGS ON IT, BUT IT'S A, THE INSPECTION STICKER HAS BEEN OUT FOR THREE YEARS. 
          UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THESE BECAUSE I HAD ONE CODE THAT HAD A DEAD INSPECTION STUFF. 
          WELL, THIS ONE'S GOT TO DID INSPECTION FOR THREE YEARS, WENT OUT 2018. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, VEHICLES LIKE, LIKE THIS CAR TO ME, IT'S INOPERABLE. 
          IT'S RIGHT. 
          SO WHY CAN'T THE TOWN HAVE IT TOWED OFF RIGHT AWAY? DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 
          SO WHEN DO Y'ALL WANT US TO 10 DAYS, WE'D GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO REPAIR IT OR TOW IT. 
          I DON'T THINK HE GOING TO TAKE HIM, PUT A WINDSHIELD ON THE STREET AND REPLACE ALL THE TIRES AND WHATEVER ELSE NEEDS TO BE DONE. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT VANDALIZED CAR, I GUESS, FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD, I'M NOT, I DON'T THINK THE OWNER MIGHT'VE GAVE, BUT ANYWAY, IT'S, TO ME, IT'S A WRECKED VEHICLE. 
          THAT'S BEEN SITTING ON THE STREETS AND WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. 
          WE NEED HOURS ACROSS A VEHICLE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN WRECKED OR IT'S AN OPERABLE. 
          WHY WOULD YOU HAVE TO VEHICLE? I WOULDN'T KNOW IF THEY LIVE THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEY COULD LIVE IN THE APARTMENT AND THEY JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT FIXED. 
          BUT THEY DO HAVE MOBILE WINDSHIELD REPAIR COMPANIES THAT COME INTO YOUR WINDSHIELD AND PEOPLE CAN COME AND TEND TO TIRES. 
          SO, I MEAN, AT WHAT POINT DO I FIGURE OUT IT'S, WE'RE GOING TO GET IT REPAIRED OR NOT GET IT REPAIRED DOWN THE STREETS FOR 10 DAYS, 10 DAYS AND OPERABLE VEHICLES. 
          SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, I I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK THAT TO ME WOULD BE A SAFETY ISSUE. 
          I THINK A CAR THAT'S BROKE DOWN BECAUSE YOU KNOW, FLAT TIRES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT 10 DAYS, MY TIP THAT THAT WOULD BE IT KIDS. 
          I MEAN, YEAH. 
          I'M THINKING THAT'S A SAFETY ISSUE. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S A ROCK, IT'S A BIG, HUGE THING. 
          IT'S CRAZY. 
          I'D HAVE TO WAIT FOR TEA. 
          THIS IS GOING TO GO INTO ONE, LIKE AN ALBUM  TIME. 
          IT'S PARKING THING. 
          WE COULD TOW IT. 
          CAUSE IT WOULD SAY IT'S IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I MEAN, IT'S HOUSING IS ALL LISTENING. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT WHAT CRAZY. 
          YOU'RE IN YOUR YARD THOUGH? IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          RIGHT? ACTUALLY, THERE ARE RULES TO THAT TOO. 
           KNOW WHEN YOUR YARD HAS TO BE COVERED OR OUT OF IT, BUT THAT'S NOT THE COVERAGE. 
          WHAT'S THE VIOLATION FOR SIX MONTHS. 
          RIGHT. 
          I LIKE TO SEE US TAKEN AND DO SOMETHING INSTEAD OF THE 10 DAY PROCESS. 
          I LIKE TO SEE US COME BACK WITH FIVE DAYS. 
          ALEXI SAID 40 HOURS, AS LONG AS THE OWNER IS AWAKE. 
          LIKE, CAUSE I'M, I'M JUST THINKING MAYBE, BUT LIKE I'M THINKING LIKE IF I WAS AWAY ON VACATION AND DIDN'T REALIZE THAT SOMEBODY HAD BROKE OUT MY WINDSHIELD OR TIRES AND NOT BEING GONE FOR SEVEN DAYS, I MEAN, I MAY NOT THINK, I THINK BEFORE WE DO IT, WE OUGHT TO AT LEAST TRY TO AT LEAST TRY TO YEAH. 
          WE WENT TO THE OWNER AND THEN AFTER THEY'RE NOTIFIED, GIVEN 48 HOURS, 48 HOURS FROM THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          THE NOTIFICATION NOTIFICATION. 
          AND AFTER THAT, ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? I DO. 
          I JUST WANNA BRING UP THE, UM, THE AFTERNOON. 
          UM, I HAD HEARD PEOPLE ASKING, IS IT MOVING FORWARD? I LOOKED AT IT. 
          I SAID, ISN'T IT A BOARD? AND I JUST WANT FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD HERE IN THE WORK SESSION THAT IT IS MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, STEVEN MADE ME AWARE OF, AND THE COUNCIL THAT TO PLANETS PROJECT IS NEW TO THE SPORT. 
          IT'S JUST NOT WORTH THE MORE THAN WE'D LIKE TO SEE IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          I WANT TO CLEAR IF IT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          JUST ANNOUNCED. 
          SO THE ANNUAL FIREMAN'S CARNIVAL IS GOING ON TODAY, AS WE ALL KNOW, THE TOWN SPONSOR CARL'S GAME IS JULY 17TH STREET CONDITION TICKETS. 
          IT WAS A LICENSE FOR THE TOWN HALL EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION WEEK IS 17TH, THE 23RD AND, UM, WAGON 
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FOR DRAGONS, AUGUST 7TH. 
          AND WE NEED PEOPLE TO SIGN UP WITH US. 
          AND THE PARADE HAS ALSO WEDNESDAY NIGHT OR THURSDAY, THE 14TH AND 15TH. 
          UM, I BROUGHT IT UP REGARDING THE ONE THING I HAVEN'T SAID TO EVERYBODY IS THAT I'M FINE BEING THE ONLY VOTE FOR IT. 
          UM, I LIKE IT'S COMFORTABLE, WHATEVER PUBLISHING EFFORTS NEED TO BE DONE. 
          I REALLY DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT FORMALITIES I HAVE TO ENGAGE IN THE NEXT, UH, NEXT SESSION, PUBLIC SESSION. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          WHAT IS THE GOAL? LIKE I I'M, I'M STARTING TO THINK LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S A GOAL HERE AND I THINK IT'S A VERY PERSONAL GOAL. 
          AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS YOUR NEXT STEP, BECAUSE YOU'RE ASKING TO BRING SOMETHING TO VOTE THAT YOU LITERALLY KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE THE ONLY ONE. 
          SO I'M THINKING THERE'S SOMETHING BEYOND COMMON COUNCIL THAT YOU'RE GOING FOR AND THAT'S FINE, BUT CAN YOU JUST LET THE REST OF THE LIST? NO, BECAUSE WE'VE NOW COME TO THIS TABLE NO FEWER THAN 10 TIMES. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE SOME AMBITION OUTSIDE OF JUST FRONT ROYAL AND TOWN COUNCIL. 
          IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S A POINT OF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY, WHAT THE WORD IS, A BUNCH OF PUSH FOR SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE, BUT THERE HAS TO BE SOME PERSONAL GAIN FOR YOU. 
          AND I'VE KIND OF FIGURED OUT WHAT IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE. 
          AND, UM, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY PERSONAL, UH, AMBITIONS BEYOND TOWN COUNCIL. 
          AND I'M NOT, I HAVE FOUR YEARS ON THIS AND I DON'T REALLY PLAN OUT, UM, CAREER MOVES AND EVERYTHING, OR ESPECIALLY THIS TYPE OF MOVE, UH, THAT IN ADVANCE. 
          UM, TO BE HONEST, UH, WITH A LOT OF THIS STUFF, I'M SURPRISED THAT EVEN GETS ANY LOCAL NEWS COVERAGE. 
          SO I'M NOT REALLY TRYING TO, UM, SEND ANY SIGNALS ANYWHERE. 
          AND JUST, I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM PEOPLE AND NEW PEOPLE ON THIS ISSUE EVERY DAY, SINCE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, MID JUNE. 
          AND SO, AND THEY'RE SAYING THINGS LIKE I, UM, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET PREGNANT IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS VACCINE, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO LOSE MY JOB BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO LOSE MY HEALTH INSURANCE. 
          AND I WANT TO DO SOMETHING TO HELP PEOPLE. 
          AND I AM FINE WITH HAVING THE ARGUMENT LOSING ON THE MERITS, BUT IF WE CAN'T HAVE A VOTE ON THAT. 
          AND SO, AND IN THE MEANTIME BETWEEN NOW AND THE VOTE, I'M GOING TO DO MY BEST TO CONVINCE MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS ENGAGE THE PUBLIC. 
          THEN WE'LL HAVE A VOTE. 
          AND UNDER CIRCUMSTANCES, CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, I CAN'T EVEN BRING IT UP FOR ANOTHER SIX MONTHS, BUT LET'S HAVE THE VOTE. 
          IF I CAN ASK YOU A QUESTION, WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID? IT'S NOT IMPORTANT. 
          IT'S LITERALLY NOT ENFORCEABLE. 
          SO WE THINK A WASTE OF TIME AT THIS JUNCTURE. 
          IT REALLY IS A WASTE OF TIME. 
          IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO INFORM PEOPLE ABOUT HOW TO GO TO THEIR EMPLOYER AND HAVE CONVERSATION, IT'S ESSENTIALLY, WELL, I MEAN, I'M NOT THE LAWYER. 
          THE LAWYER IS THE ONE WHO SAID IT WASN'T ENFORCEABLE. 
          OH NO. 
          THE LAWYER SAID THAT HE, MR. NUCLEAR, I MEAN, YOU'RE HERE AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME. 
          YOU SAID THAT YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT IT WAS, UM, THAT IT WAS, IT WAS WITHIN OUR AUTHORITY. 
          I CORNERED YOU THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE REGARDING OUR AUTHORITY. 
          AND IN OUR DISCUSSION, WE, WE DISCUSSED A NUMBER OF, OF DIFFERENT ISSUES OR CASES WE HAD. 
          UH, THE ONLY ONE THAT'S FROM VIRGINIA WAS A STATE ORDINANCE STATING THAT A LANDER OR MAYBE LIABLE FOR PERSONNEL IS ACCORDING TO HIS PROPERTY. 
          THE OTHER ONE WAS FROM MASSACHUSETTS. 
          THE OTHER ONE WAS FROM MINNESOTA. 
          THE OTHER ONE WAS FROM NEW JERSEY, THE OTHER FROM CONNECTICUT AND THE OTHER ONE FROM THE FEDERAL DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S DIRECTLY ON POINT REGARDING HE, THE ABILITY OF A, OF A, OF A LOCALITY LEW COUNTY HAS PASSED SOMETHING. 
          AND SOMEWHERE IN VIRGINIA, A COURT SAID THAT WAS, THAT WAS BEYOND THEIR AUTHORITY. 
          IS THERE ANY CASE LAW THAT YOU'VE SEEN THAT, THAT SPEAKS THAT DIRECTLY TO THIS CASE? ALL I CAN SAY IS I RESEARCHED IT AS THOROUGHLY AS I CAN. 
          I'VE SAID YOU AND ALISON, ANYBODY ELSE WHERE THEY FOUND IT TO CONDENSE IT DOWN, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY, BUT HAVE YOU FOUND ANYTHING DIRECTLY ON POINT FROM VIRGINIA LAW CONGRESS, BUT HAVE YOU FOUND ANYTHING THAT I ASKED A SPECIFIC QUESTION? THE QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU FOUND ANYTHING 
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IN VIRGINIA OR EVEN WE CAN, WE CAN BROADEN IT TO THIS FEDERAL DISTRICT WHERE A LOCALITY HAS PASSED AN ORDINANCE AND SOMEBODY HAS CHALLENGED THE AUTHORITY OF THAT LOCALITY. 
          AND THAT AUTHORITY HAS BEEN FOUND. 
          ONE THING I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT COVID IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE COVID OR NOT. 
          I MEAN, IS THERE ANY CASE REGARDING DOG-WALKING HANDSTANDS, ANYTHING CARNIVALS, CURB AND GUTTER, LATERAL CREDIT CARD FEES? IS THERE ANYTHING I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT LIKE THAT I'D LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT IT LIKE THAT? WELL, I CAN TELL YOU, UM, I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE, AND I DON'T, I THINK IT'S A WASTE OF TIME. 
          I WAS TOLD THAT THE, THAT WE CHANGED OR LOCAL ORDINANCES, I WAS TOLD THAT WE WERE, WE CHANGED OUR LOCAL ORDINANCES BECAUSE IN ORDER TO EMPOWER, UM, TOWN COUNCILMEN TO BRING THEIR OWN THINGS ON THEIR AGENDA, WHEN THE MAYOR DOESN'T WANT TO GET ON THE HR. 
          SO THIS, THE SHAPE OF THE CODE AS IT EXISTS RIGHT NOW IS DESIGNED FOR THE SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE WE'VE ASKED THE MAYOR, THE MAYOR DECLINES. 
          AND THEN YOU GO AND YOU GET TWO PEOPLE ON COUNCIL TO PUT HER ON THE AGENDA. 
          BY THE WAY, WE GOT TWO PEOPLE TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA LAST MONTH. 
          AND WE'RE STILL PLAYING THIS GAME. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T, I'M NOT IN CONTROL OF THE AGENDA. 
          I DON'T, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT THE TOWN CODE SAYS REGARDING THE AGENDA. 
          I DON'T PUT ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE AGENDA, BUT, BUT THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DOES THE CODE SAY ABOUT TWO COUNCILMEN PUTTING, UH, PUTTING, UH, UH, AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA? YEAH, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND SCOTT, WELL, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN, EXCUSE ME, I'VE BEEN REALLY PLEASED ABOUT THIS. 
          I PUT IT IN EMAILS. 
          I'VE MADE PLAY REQUESTS OVER THIS FOR, FOR NOW WEEKS, AND I'M NOT GETTING STRAIGHT ANSWERS TO DIRECT QUESTIONS. 
          UM, I I'M FOLLOWING EVERY PROCEDURE. 
          THAT'S UH, WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU WANT TO, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWER OR QUESTION YOU GO TO THE TOWN CODE, YOU FIND THE ANSWER, AND THEN PEOPLE TELL YOU THAT IT'S, THAT IT'S NOT WHAT IT ACTUALLY SAYS. 
          IF IT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS. 
          AND TELL ME WHAT THE, WHAT, WHAT THE ACTUAL PROCEDURE MAYOR OVER IN THIS ABSENCE OF HIV OR APPROVED FINAL REGULAR MEETING YOUR WORK SESSION AGENDA IS BEFORE PUBLICATION. 
          AND SHE'LL NOT REMOVE ANY ITEM ON SHOULD AGENDAS PLACE BY AT LEAST TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE IT GOES ON AND DOES WORK SESSION AGENDA, REGULAR MEETING ATTENDANCE FOR VOTES. 
          I WAS TOLD IT WAS A LITTLE ONE SESSION. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S THE LATEST ONE, BECAUSE IT WAS CHANGED TO BE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          THE BEGINNING OF WHAT? THE STATEMENT YOU JUST READ, DIDN'T YOU SAY REGULAR. 
          AND THE TWO WOULD BE, IT DOES SAY NOW YOU'RE IN HIS ABSENCE, THE VICE MAYOR APPROVES THE FINAL REGULAR MEETING AND WORK SESSION AGENDAS. 
          SO BOTH OF THEM ARE LISTED AND SHALL NOT REMOVE ANY ITEM ON SET. 
          AGENDA IS PLACED BY AT LEAST TWO COUNSELORS. 
          BOTH THE GENDERS 
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INTERPRET THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE. 
          I MEAN, IT CLEARLY SAYS THE WAY THAT READS, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING NEW DAVID, SINCE THAT THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING  WELL, I CAN SAY I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE AGENDA, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE. 
          I'M NOT SURE. 
          OKAY, MR. NADER, I THINK THE QUESTION IS, AND IT'D BE GOOD FOR, I THINK ALL OF US, NOT SO MUCH WHAT THE SUBJECT OF WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA AS A QUESTION IS, DOES IT TAKE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS TO ADD ANYTHING TO EITHER THE WORK SESSION RECORD SCOTT? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          I WAS GOING TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING NEW THAT I HAVE NOT CHANGED, THAT, THAT, THAT IS AMENDED ENTIRE SECTION 8, 26, 19 ACTIVE UPON PASSAGE. 
          SO THIS WAS NOT EVEN TO YOURSELF. 
          SO I WOULD SAY, I WOULD THINK THIS WOULD BE THE MOST CORRECT. 
          UNLESS YOU SEE SOMETHING ELSE, BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHO PUT ONE ON THE AGENDA, BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          NOPE, NO WORRIES. 
          NOBODY PUT ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA IS ASKING IS, IS TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO PLAY SOMETHING ON THE REGULAR, REGULAR MEETING AGENDA. 
          RIGHT? AND WHEN I UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCILMAN LLOYD WAS, HE SAID TWO PEOPLE WANTED IT ON THE AGENDA. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHO DID ENGENDER TONIGHT. 
          IT'S NOT FOR TONIGHT. 
          IT'S FOR THE NEXT IT'S FOR THE NEXT DAY. 
          BEFORE HE, THAT THE MAYOR SAID, THIS IS NOT GOING ON THE AGENDA, SCOTT, SAME. 
          WE HAVE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WANT TO PUT IT ON THE JET THAT WE'RE ASKING YOU. 
          DOES IT DO TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS SUPERSEDE THE MAYOR SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT UP TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE ON THE AGENDA? YES. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          SO WE'RE JUST PASSING RESOLUTION REQUESTS. 
          I MEAN, PROPOSING A FOR, FOR THE 26TH, WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY BIG DIFFERENCE, THE SAME PROPOSED ORDINANCE, AND THAT WILL REQUIRE NO SCHEDULE, A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SO DOES COUNCIL AUTHORIZE A PUBLIC HEARING? WELL, THEY WON'T GO TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE. 
          I MEAN, PUBLIC HEARING IS WHAT'S GOING ON THE NEXT ONE. 
          WELL, YOU CAN HAVE A PRINT ON HERE, BUT WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          IS THE PUBLIC HEARING OR A RESOLUTE RESOLUTION?  IT HAS TO BE ENFORCEABLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN WE, WE HAVE TO DETERMINE WHO'S GOING TO ENFORCE IT. 
          I SIT IN A QUANDARY. 
          SO, SO TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THE, ON THE AGENDA, BUT IF IT A PUBLIC HEARING WHO APPROVES THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IT'S THE MIRROR, HOW DO I, HOW DO I NOT  OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW. 
          I'M NOT TRYING TO FIGHT IT SO HARD. 
          I'M JUST LIKE, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN'T ENFORCE, IT SEEMS REALLY LIKE, IT SEEMS LIKE IF THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE IT, HOW I SEE IT AND JUST, I KNOW SCOTT, WE HAVE OUR HIM LITTLE CONVERSATIONS. 
          LIKE I TOTALLY EMPATHIZE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE REACHING OUT TO HIM, RIGHT. 
          EITHER THAT THEY, THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO BE FORCED OR DON'T WANT THEIR EMPLOYMENT TO BE IN JEOPARDY. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT COMPLIANT TO WHAT THEIR FEARS ARE. 
          SO I TOTALLY EMPATHIZE WITH THEM. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY. 
          NOW WE HAVE OUR OWN, YOU KNOW, ABOUT OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          I'M JUST NOT SURE. 
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I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. 
          AND I'M HONESTLY, I'M KIND OF SHOCKED THAT THERE HASN'T ALREADY BEEN SOME LAW SUIT GOING IN VIRGINIA. 
          WE KNOW THERE'S ONE IN TEXAS AND THEY SAID THEY COULD, UM, THAT AN EMPLOYER COULD ENFORCE THIS. 
          BUT I GUESS RIGHT NOW IN VIRGINIA, I MEAN, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING. 
          OTHER JURISDICTIONS HAVE, HAVE BANNED VACCINE PASSPORTS AND THAT'S TENDED TO BE AT THE STATE LEVEL. 
          THAT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          I I'M OUT OF THIS. 
          I JUST ADDED ADDITIONAL, UM, CATEGORY TO THE CATEGORIES OF, UM, UH, NON, JUST THIS ALLOWABLE DISCRIMINATION IN THE EMPLOYMENT CONTRACTS. 
          ONE OF THE REASONS I DID THAT IS BECAUSE I'VE SEEN OTHER LOCALITIES ELSEWHERE, DO THE SAME THING SUCCESSFULLY IN OTHER CONTEXTS. 
          AND SO I THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE. 
          I EXAMINED, UH, THE TOWN CODE. 
          UM, I SHARED WITH YOU MY THOUGHTS ON THAT. 
          I ASKED SPECIFICALLY WHETHER THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU, WHETHER THERE'S ANYTHING THAT, UM, DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS, UM, WHAT CURIOUS, WE ARE CLEAR AUTHORITY OF THE TOWN CODE, UM, DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          I, AND I SEEN NOTHING. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S DIRECT. 
          I MEAN, I'VE SEEN THINGS THAT COULD BE PERSUASIVE, BUT A LOT OF IT IS IT SPEAKS TO LIABILITY OF HOSPITALS AND LIABILITY OF, OF PHYSICIANS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          BUT IT DOESN'T SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, A COURT FINDING THAT A TOWN DID NOT HAVE AUTHORITY TO DO SOMETHING THAT WE TRIED TO DO. 
          THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ISSUE. 
          THAT'S AT HAND RIGHT HERE. 
          SO, LIKE I SAID, IN MY SPEECH IN JUNE, IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO JUST SAY, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY, OR I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY. 
          YOU'VE GOT TO BRING MORE TO THE TABLE THAN THAT. 
          BECAUSE I'M SAYING HERE IS THE NEW LANGUAGE THAT EMPOWERS US TO DO THAT. 
          SOMEBODY SHOW ME THE LANGUAGE THAT THIS ALLOWS US TO DO THAT YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT TO DO ME AT LEAST THAT FAVOR. 
          IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT, I WOULD JUST WANT TO GO AND RECORD. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES ME NERVOUS ABOUT ALL OF THIS IS I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE TOWN INVOLVED IN ANOTHER LAWSUIT. 
          THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY THING. 
          CAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'VE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUICIDAL OR SNEEZING  YEAH. 
          AT THAT, THAT WAS MY ONLY THING. 
          LIKE IF WE COULDN'T ENFORCE IT AND THEN SOME EMPLOYEE SAYS, WELL, I DIDN'T GET IT BECAUSE THE TOWN PASSED THIS RULE AND THEN THEY LOSE THEIR JOB. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ENFORCEMENT, RIGHT? SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT JAKE'S GOING TO HAVE TO PATROL AROUND AND MAKE SURE THAT BUSINESSES AREN'T DISCRIMINATING. 
          NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IS IF A BUSINESS TRIES TO FORCE THEIR EMPLOYEE TO GET, UH, AN EXPERIMENTAL VACCINATION, IT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED BY THE FDA. 
          THEN THAT EMPLOYEE WILL FEEL EMPOWERED TO COME TO TOWN AND SAY, THIS JUST HAPPENED. 
          I'M LOSING MY JOB NOW. 
          AND WE CAN THEN ENFORCE, WHAT DO WE DO TO THE EMPLOYER? WHAT DO WE DO TO THE EMPLOYEE? THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE. 
          WE TELL THEM WE CAN'T DO THAT. 
          WHAT'S WHAT DO WE DO TO THEM? HAVING AN ABILITY TO THEN MOUNT THE LAWSUIT AND BASED ON THE ORDINANCE WILL HAVE SOMEBODY TO BACK THEM UP WITH. 
          IT WOULD BE A COMPLAINT, UH, VERY MUCH LIKE THEY DO AT, AT USC, WHICH IS ANOTHER REASON BECAUSE MOST, UM, EMPLOYMENT LITIGATION DOESN'T GO TO TRIAL, IT'S HANDLED AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL. 
          AND SO I THINK IN, I THINK IN MANY CASES, MOST CASES, UH, THE TOWN CAN GO TO THE EMPLOYER AND SAY, I'M SORRY, BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN THIS TOWN BECAUSE OF THIS ORDINANCE. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH. 
          AND THEN, BUT THE ORDINANCE ALSO EMPOWERS, UH, THE LOCAL, UH, JUDICIAL OFFICIAL TO, UM, IMPOSE FINES ALL SO 26. 
          SO THE ONLY AGENDA PART OF THE 26 IS COUNCIL HAS TO AUTHORIZE A PUBLIC AREAS, AUTHORIZING PROCESS. 
          SO WE WOULD VOTE FOR PUBLIC AREAS. 
          YES, THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROCESS. 
          WE WILL HAVE THE RESOLUTION WE'LL HAVE EVERYTHING DONE BECAUSE WE WE'RE DOING IS WE HAVE TO AUTHORIZE A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL. 
          WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT. 
          SO THE STAFF WILL HAVE EVERYTHING, WHATEVER ANYONE DOES, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          WE'LL HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED, 
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BUT COUNCIL WILL HAVE, AND THEN OPEN UP WHATEVER YOU ALL TELL PEOPLE HAVE PEOPLE, IF PEOPLE HEAR THEIR VIEWS AT THE END OF JULY, ARE THEY GOING TO GET GAVELED DOWN? AND WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? NO, W WE HAD THE, THAT OTHER CARRIER, THEN IT'LL BE 21 DAYS. 
          AND THEN IN AUGUST IS WHEN WE, I MEAN, THIS IS JUST, THERE'S JUST NOTHING. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, SO, OKAY. 
          WE'RE GOING TO WAIT ANOTHER 12 DATES TO BEGIN A PROCESS THAT STARTS, IT STARTS ANOTHER 21 DAY PROCESS. 
          WHEN I ASKED HOW MANY DAYS AGO WAS THE 28TH. 
          AND, AND, AND BEFORE THAT, SO I'VE BEEN TRYING TO START THIS PROCESS FOR 40 DAYS. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO DRAG IT ON ANOTHER 21 DAYS. 
          WHAT I HEARD IS YOU CAN GET UP ON A RESOLUTION TO GET AN ART DAY. 
          YOU COULD ON AN ORDINANCE. 
          DO YOU WANT TO JUST DO THE RESOLUTION? SO WHY DON'T WE DETERMINE WHETHER WE CAN HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE, ON THE END OF JULY. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR HOW MANY DAYS WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE THE QUESTION OF WHETHER WE'RE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          NO, WE'D HAVE TO ADVERTISE FOR PUBLIC HEARING. 
          WE VOTED ON THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 28TH AND THEN YEAH, WE CAN ALSO, WE COULD, WE COULD SAY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, WE COULD, WE COULD START ADVERTISING A PUBLIC HEARING TOMORROW. 
          WE COULD DO THAT. 
          RIGHT? I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING TO DO YOU HAVE TO VOTE ON THE TOP. 
          WE HAVE TO VOTE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HERE BECAUSE OF WORK SESSIONS, NOT A VOTABLE THING, RIGHT? UNLESS WE CALL IT A SPECIAL MEETING TO VOTE ON JUST THAT NO Y'ALL CAN AUTHORIZE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE CAN START HAVING THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THE KEY IS WHEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, SOMEONE HAS TO VOTE TO OPEN A PUBLIC, HEARING THE RESOLUTION. 
          SO WE JUST NEED TO KNOW, UM, WE'LL HAVE TO VOTE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          YOU HAVE TO THOSE TO OPEN. 
          YES, WE GOT IT. 
          WE GOT TO GET AUTHORIZATION TO, TO HAVE A ADVERTISE A PUBLIC AREA. 
          THE REASON WHY, I MEAN, TINA TEXTS ME. 
          I MEAN, ADDED SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA TO TALK IS DIFFERENT FROM NOW ADDED SOME LITTLE AGENDA. 
          THAT'S A, THAT'S A TAX AMENDMENT. 
          THAT'S AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, OTHER INPUT. 
          THAT'S A LEGISLATIVE PROCESS THAT I'M GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT IT'S GONE SO FAR, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN UNFORTUNATE THAT IT HASN'T MADE IT TO AN AGENDA SO FAR WHEN TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS KNOW THEY NEED TO HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA. 
          I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. 
          AND IT LOOKS AT CENTRAL, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE. 
          AS SOON AS WE GET TO ADVERTISE IT TOMORROW, WE NEED THE, WE NEED TO ADD, UH, ORDINANCE AMENDMENT OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO FOR PUBLIC COMMENT OR PEOPLE WOULD, WHILE IT'S BEING ADVERTISED. 
          AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THE RESOLUTION THAT SUPPORTS THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT. 
          WON'T BE ABLE TO HEAR IT ON THE 26TH, BUT 21 DAYS FROM TOMORROW WOULD BE AUGUST 3RD. 
          YES. 
          WHICH HONESTLY, THAT MIGHT BE OUR NEXT COUNSELING TUESDAY. 
          NO, IT'S A WORK SESSION. 
          WHEN'S THE WORK SESSION. 
          IT'S THE SECOND WHEN I'M GOING BACK TO WORK. 
          BUT THERE'S ALSO, THERE'S THE THING THAT I ASKED, UH, YOU KNOW, 13 DAYS AGO, UM, WAS THAT WE THERE'S ALSO AUTHORIZATION FOR US TO PASS ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS AND ORDINANCE, BUT WE HAVE TO, UM, GO THROUGH THE REGULAR PROCEDURE BEFORE WE, SO WE CAN PUT IT FOR AN UP AND DOWN VOTE ON THE AGENDA ON THE, UH, ON THE 28TH OF JULY SIX. 
          AND WE WOULD VOTE UP OR DOWN WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO PASS THE ORDINANCE. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AFTERWARDS, BEFORE WE COULD FORCE. 
          USUALLY WE VOTE AFTER A PUBLIC HEARING THOUGH. 
          RIGHT? SO THAT'S AFTER, BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU USING MARS, WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, BASED ON WHAT, UH, DOUG SAID IS THAT IT WILL BE ADDED TO THE, UH, AT LEAST THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM AS IN DISCUSSION, 
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RIGHT? YOU STILL WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH ADVERTISE TOMORROW. 
          AND IF COUNCIL WANTS, WE CAN HAVE A SPECIAL CALL MEETING ON THE SECOND THAT A REGULAR MEETING. 
          WELL, NO, THE REGULAR NEXT, THE NEXT WORK SESSION IS NINE. 
          THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING IS THE 23RD. 
          SO BUT ACCORDING TO WHAT DOES, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          BUT IN THE MEANTIME WE GET, HAVE WE GOT TO HAVE A VOTE ON AN EMERGENCY WARNINGS ON THE 26TH? I THINK DOUG LOOKED AT, THEN YOU LOOK AT THE EMERGENCY WARDENS TO RESPOND THE BACK. 
          I'LL HAVE TO LOOK BACK. 
          THIS IS CONSIDERED AN EMERGENCY. 
          DO YOU MAKE THE DETERMINATION IS THE EMERGENCY THING YOU SENT OUT TO US? DO YOU SPOT THAT TIME? I THINK THAT WAS MORE OF A MONTH. 
          DID YOU LOSE YOUR JOBS? I WOULD SAY, IS THAT THE CASE? LIKE I JUST DON'T KNOW. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW. 
          I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. 
          THE TENDENCIES, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S JUST THE EDIT. 
          DON'T KNOW. 
          I'M CURIOUS IF THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE PLACE, BUT I'M ASKING, ARE THERE ANY BUSINESS? I MEAN, LIKE MY, WHO I WORK FOR EMPLOYEES, I'M PRETTY SURE WE EMPLOY THE MOST PEOPLE IN THAT WHOLE COUNTY, UNLESS RIGHT. 
          WE'RE KIND OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS, EMPLOYEES MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE. 
          MY EMPLOYER'S NOT ENFORCED. 
          WE HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE COMING TO THEIR EMPLOYERS IN TOWN THAT ARE BETTING ON DOING NO I'M ASKING, HAS ANYBODY PUT IT IN WRITING? CAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HOW THEY PUT IT IN WRITING. 
          IT'S POSSIBLE TO INTIMATE OR INAPPROPRIATE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S WHY I WAS CURIOUS IF YOU'VE SEEN ANYTHING. 
          EMERGENCY ORDINANCE IS AN ORDINANCE PASSED BY COUNCIL FOR THE IMMEDIATE PRESERVATION OF PUBLIC PEACE PROPERTY, HEALTH, WELFARE SAFETY, OR MORALS. 
          WELL, SO WE CAN HAVE AN EMERGENCY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE AUGUST. 
          THE THIRD THAT'S WHAT WORKS. 
          NO SIX AS THE NINTH IS A WORK SESSION. 
          21 DAYS HERE. 
          1, 2, 3 TOMORROW. 
          YEAH. 
          11TH GRADE TEACHERS TO START THE 11TH AND KIDS GO BACK TO SCHOOL, THE 17TH AND I MEAN, PUBLIC SCHOOL DOES TO THEM AUGUST. 
          YEAH. 
          AUGUST 2ND. 
          WE CAN HAVE A SPECIAL CALL THE, OR THE PUBLIC HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO AS WE GET INTO THE PAPER, I MEAN GIVE OR TAKE A DAY OR TWO DEPENDS WHEN THE PAPER PEOPLE PUBLISH THEIR STUFF. 
          CARS ALSO IS ON THE WEBSITE RIGHT THOUGH. 
          WEBSITE WE'LL DO SO THAT WE'LL START THE PROCESS. 
          THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS, UM, UH, UH, SHARE. 
          THIS IS TO HAVE A COMMENT PERIOD ON THE 26. 
          ANYBODY CAN COME AND COMMENT ON ANYTHING. 
          YEAH. 
          DURING THE PUBLIC PORTION. 
          IT'S BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT ABOUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA AND YOU CAN, AS LONG AS THEY'RE WRITING ALREADY PUBLIC. 
          SO WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT THE PLAN WE WON AND WE CAN DO IT ABOUT THE 
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EMERGENCY THING. 
          ONLY THE REASON WHY I ASKED IF IT'S ALREADY IN WRITING ANYWHERE WAS BECAUSE OF THAT. 
          THAT, THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER IT'S AN EMERGENCY, IF IT HAS ACTUALLY HAPPENED YET. 
          IF I WERE INTENDING TO DO THAT AS A CORPORATION, I DOUBT THAT I WOULD PUT IT IN WRITING UNTIL I DID IT. 
          BUT WHEN YOU SAID PEOPLE COME TO, YOU SAID THEY HAVE EMPLOYERS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOABLE. 
          SO RIGHT NOW IT'S HERE RIGHT NOW. 
          THAT'S A LOT MORE THAN THAT. 
          WELL, THAT'S HEARSAY. 
          WELL, I MEAN, WE CAN TAKE IT OFF, OFF MINE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT SAY I SAY, SO WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS. 
          I DON'T THINK I'VE SAID IT TO JOE. 
          NUMBER ONE, EITHER WAY. 
          I COMMENT ON THIS, IT'S GOING TO, I FEEL LIKE IT REFLECTS A PARTICULAR POSITION FOR ME ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 
          BUT, UM, THE ONE THING THAT I AM LEERY ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT SIDE OF THINGS IS GETTING AS A GOVERNMENT ENTITY, GETTING INTO THE LANES OF TRYING TO STOP BUSINESSES FROM DOING SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO OR ABOUT TO DO, UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE OF VACCINES, WHICH REGARDLESS OF MY OPINION ON IT, IT'S USING OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO TRY TO BLOCK A COMPANY FROM COMPANIES, MAKING AN, A PARTICULAR DETERMINATION ON A WAY THEY'RE GOING TO DO BUSINESS. 
          UM, I DO CAUTION THAT I THINK THAT THAT COULD BE A SLIPPERY SLOPE FOR GOVERNMENT TO START DECIDING ORDINANCES, UM, THAT COULD STOP COMPANIES FROM OPERATING A PARTICULAR WAY. 
          I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE, BUT I CANNOT SHARE THAT OPENLY WITH SCOTT. 
          AND HAVEN'T SAID IT EVERYBODY ELSE HERE, BUT THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE. 
          ONE OF THE CONCERNS I SHARE WITH SCOTT TOO, IS KEVIN IS JUST TELLING BUSINESSES WHEN ARE NOT WHAT I MEAN, THIS, THIS STARTED OUT AS A, AS A THEORETICAL DISCUSSION, UH, BECAUSE THESE TYPES OF THINGS WERE OUT IN THE ETHER. 
          AND I GOT THE IDEA FROM STATES ACTING, LIKE I SAID, WITH, UH, UM, COVID PASSPORTS AND THE RESPONSE I GOT WAS, OH, BUT NOBODY IN TOWN IS ACTUALLY FIGHTING FOR IT. 
          AND THEN I, I NOW KNOW THAT ACCORDING TO PEOPLE WHO WORKED FOR THESE ENTITIES, THAT PEOPLE IN TOWN ARE PLANNING TO DO IT. 
          AND SO NOW THAT THE QUESTION IS TO, YOU KNOW, THE RESPONSE IS NOW TO QUESTION WHETHER I'VE GOT GOOD INFORMATION OR THAT OR WHATEVER ELSE. 
          AND SO IT'S GOING JUST GOING TO BE SOMETHING ELSE. 
          BUT THE PRINCIPLE IS A, IS A VERY BROAD ONE IT'S INFORMED CONSENT. 
          ARE WE GOING TO PROTECT INFORMED CONSENT? AND IT'S NOT REALLY NECESSARILY A QUESTION OF, UM, YOU KNOW, GETTING INTO THE INNER WORKINGS OF ANY BUSINESS. 
          I MEAN, THE BUSINESS BRINGS THEMSELVES TO THAT WHEN THEY TRY TO INTERFERE WITH PEOPLE INFORMED CONSENT. 
          I MEAN, THEY CAN STEER CLEAR NO MATTER WHICH BUSINESS IT IS OF, YOU KNOW, GETTING TANGLED INTO THAT WHEN THEY RESPECT PEOPLE'S INFORMED CONSENT. 
          AND SO, AND TO THE POINT OF TELLING BUSINESSES WHAT TO DO, WE DO IT ALL THE TIME. 
          WE DO IT WITH SETBACKS, WE DO IT WITH, UM, SEX DISCRIMINATION, RACIST, INCRIMINATION DISCRIMINATION ON THE BASIS OF RELIGION AND DISCRIMINATION ON THE BASIS OF DISABILITY, WHICH IS ALMOST, UH, AN EXACT ANALOG TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. 
          THIS IS JUST AN EXPANSION OF THOSE CATEGORIES TO SAY, YOU CAN'T FIRE ON THAT BASIS COVERED BECAUSE YOU'RE AWKWARD. 
          WHAT WAS THE TERM REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION? AND THEN IF A PLAYER SAYS THAT THOSE ARE NOT REASONABLE, IT'S ON THEM TO PROVE IT. 
          AND THAT'S A LAWSUIT FOR THEM. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I SAID, YOU KNOW, I CALLED ALL THE BIG ENTITIES AND FRONT ROYAL. 
          I CALLED TO TALK TO THEM MYSELF. 
          AND I ALSO WENT TO THE EMPLOYMENT COMMISSION TO SEE LIKE, WHAT ARE THE STEPS YOU TAKE IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS, FOR WHATEVER REASON, STRONG, PERSONAL BELIEF, RELIGIOUS BELIEF, YOU'RE PREGNANT, WHATEVER THE CASE IS. 
          AND I DID, I DID, I DO FEEL LIKE I DID MY DUE DILIGENCE IN THAT, BUT I ASKED YOU THE QUESTION MEAN WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STRONG PERSONAL BELIEF, THAT'S ABOUT RELIGION. 
          UM, AND IT'S, IT'S A BIT IN THE WEEDS. 
          WE DON'T, THERE'S NOT A PROTECTION FOR STRONG, PERSONAL RELIEVES RE RE BELIEFS ABOUT JUST ANYTHING IT'S ABOUT YOU. 
          IT'S ABOUT THINGS THAT TAKE THE PLACE OF GOD IN A PERSON'S WORLDVIEW IS HOW THE SUPREME 
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COURT HAS DEFINED THAT. 
          AND SO IT'S AN EMPLOYER LOOKING INTO THAT CAN SAY, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS A WHO'S. 
          THEY COULD TRY AND PUSH BACK ON SOMEBODY WHO IS JUST TRYING TO SHOW UP TO WORK AND AVOID MEDICINE. 
          PEOPLE GENERALLY HAVE HAD THAT, THAT, UM, THAT FREEDOM UP UNTIL NOW THIS ISN'T THE SAME PUSH TO MAKE EVERYBODY THINK THIS VACCINE. 
          UM, WHEN, WHEN I GREW UP WITH THE, WITH THE IDEA OF BEFORE CONSENT, WE WANTED THIS MEDICINE. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT PERSON. 
          I MEAN, AND NOW THAT, THAT IS, IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT THAT IS NOT BEING ATTACKED AND ERODED LIKE VERY, IN A VERY TARGETED AND VERY PERSISTENT AND VERY PERNICIOUS WAY RIGHT NOW, THEN WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST PRETENDING. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I THINK CERTAIN PROFESSIONS HAVE ALWAYS HAD CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, APPROVED VACCINATIONS, DIFFERENT THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          AND IT'S JUST PART OF HOW THAT PARTICULAR, UH, FIELD I WANT TO SAY DOES THEIR BUSINESS OR WHATEVER. 
          UM, AND WHEN THIS, WHEN THIS DOES BECOME FDA APPROVED, RIGHT, ARE YOU STILL STANDING ON THE SAME THING AT THIS POINT? OR ARE YOU STANDING ON IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT FDA APPROVED RIGHT NOW? ARE YOU STANDING ON IT SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T THINK IN GENERAL, YOU DON'T THINK THEY COULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE VACCINES ALL THOSE CERTAIN, LIKE WE REQUIRED TETANUS SHOT FOR THIS SORT OF THING. 
          SO ARE YOU IN DISAGREEMENT BECAUSE IT'S NOT FDA APPROVED? ARE YOU IN DISAGREEMENT? JUST BECAUSE I'M PRINCIPAL OF NO VACCINATIONS AT ALL? I HAVE, UM, I REALLY DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T CROSSED THAT BRIDGE YET. 
          UM, BUT WHAT I KIND OF SAY IS THAT PEOPLE ARE REACHING OUT TO ME ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR VACCINE AND ACTUALLY I'VE, I HAVE HAD PEOPLE TELL ME, THIS IS ACTUALLY A DEPARTMENT DEPARTURE FROM OTHER, UH, SITUATIONS, INCLUDING THE FLU VACCINE, WHERE WE HAVE THE OPTION AND WE CAN DECLINE THE FLU VACCINE AND JUST WEAR ADDITIONAL PPE. 
          AND SO FOR SOME REASON IT HAS TO BE THE VACCINE FOR COVID. 
          AND WHY IT'S THAT SITUATION? I DON'T, I HAVE NO IDEA. 
          UM, BUT WHATEVER, THE REASON I, I SEE THIS AS, UH, AS A, UH, WE BREAK OFF A PIECE OF A BROADER DISCUSSION AND SAY, WE CAN SOLVE THIS. 
          AND IF THE FACTS CHANGE A LITTLE BIT, IF FDA APPROVAL, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T REALLY KNOW, BUT WE JUST NEED TO CLARIFY ON YOUR CALENDAR JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL IN THERE. 
          SO WE TRIED, WE'LL ADVERTISE IT ON THE WEB TOMORROW. 
          WE'LL MAKE SURE IT WAS JUST 21 DAYS FROM THERE, OR CONSIDERING HAVING A SPECIAL CALL MEETING OR NOT. 
          I'M FINE WITH THAT AGREE, DOUG. 
          I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE. 
          A SPECIAL CALL ME. 
          IT CAN BE CALLED BY THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS AT ANY TIME OR TWO COUNTS. 
          I THINK IT'S THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          LAST TIME WE TALKED DIFFERENT FOR COLD, 
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FOR SPECIAL MEETING. 
          SO MAJORITY OF, WELL, I'M PRETTY CLEAR. 
          I'M PRETTY COMMITTED TO DELAWARE TECH. 
          SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT, IT SAID THREE , WE'LL GO WITH THREE, WE'LL DO THREE. 
          WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE RIGHT NOW ON MY COMPUTER AND THEN CHECKING IT. 
          YEAH, WE'LL GO AND RECESS. 
          AND THEN YOU ADVERTISE AFTERWARDS AND HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AFTERWARDS AFTERWARDS. 
          IS IT LEGAL? IS IT AN EMERGENCY? I THINK THAT'S A LEGISLATIVE DETERMINATION. 
          BUT DO YOU THINK THAT I FORESEE IN YOUR LEGISLATIVE YOU REQUIREMENTS TO GET THIS CHORE VACCINATION ON? WOULD THAT BE A VALID MEDICAL REASON? SORRY. 
          VALID MEDICAL REASONS ALREADY RECOVERED, NOT, YOU JUST HAVE AN OBJECTION YOU'RE BEING MEDICAL OR, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING IN WRITING SPECIFICALLY SAYING THAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING PREGNANT, BUT THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION. 
          THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DETERMINE. 
          THIS QUESTION IS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING IS AN EMERGENCY AND IT'S NOT BEING ENFORCED NOW. 
          HOW IS IT AN EMERGENCY? I'M JUST ASKING THE POLICE. 
          WELL, PEOPLE HAVE SHARED THINGS IN COMPETENCIES. 
          I CALLED MYSELF OUT AS SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO KEEP IT IN COMPETENCE, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          I CAN'T, I CAN'T INVITE YOU TO SHOW YOU WHAT I GOT. 
          YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO ME ON MY WORD THAT I HAVE NUMEROUS PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING THAT THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE VACCINATED AND THEY ARE CREATING JOBS. 
          AND THEY'RE AFRAID OF SPEAKING UP PUBLICLY BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID OF RETALIATION FROM THEIR EMPLOYER. 
          THAT'S THE BEST THING THEY WANT TO WORK FOR. 
          SOMEBODY LIKE THAT. 
          IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE, ENDLESS OPPORTUNITIES. 
          AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, I GOT UP, I GOT FEELING, I'M STARTING TO HEAR THAT THE ARMY IS GOING TO FORCE IT. 
          IF THEY'RE GOING TO FORCE IT, EVERYONE WILL TAKE THE VACCINATION. 
          AT THAT POINT, I THEN MAKE A DETERMINATION. 
          DO I TAKE A DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE FOR THAT? EVEN THOUGH I HAVE, I DON'T HAVE ANY RIGHTS. 
          I DON'T HAVE RIGHTS. 
          IS IT OKAY THAT THESE CITIZENS FEEL LIKE THEY DON'T HAVE RIGHTS, THAT THEY CAN'T EVEN SPEAK OUT AGAINST SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY'RE YOUR RETALIATION. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS RIDICULOUS. 
          IT WAS 15 DAYS TO STOP THE SPREAD. 
          AND NOW, YOU KNOW, I PREDICTED BACK THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE FORCED VACCINATIONS. 
          AND HERE WE ARE A YEAR AND A HALF LATER, WE'RE HEADING INTO THIS. 
          I DON'T SEE HOW THIS IS DIFFICULT TO MAKE A DETERMINATION, TO JUST RESTRAIN THIS TO A VOTE. 
          YOU CAN VOTE AGAINST IT, JUST BRING IT TO A VOTE. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IF WE BRING IT TO AN EMERGENCY BURKE  AND THEN END THIS DISCUSSION. 
          OTHERWISE THIS IS GOING TO CONTINUE OFF BECAUSE THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE TO OUR CITIZEN THAT HAS BROUGHT THIS TO SCOTT, BROUGHT IT TO ME. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR ASSOCIATES THAT WE ADDRESS THIS AS THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS. 
          SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY SUCKS THAT PEOPLE ARE BEING PUT IN THIS POSITION, TO BE HONEST. 
          YEAH. 
          OR I'M NOT, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OR SCHOOL VACCINES. 
          I WANT TO GO ON RECORD SAYING THAT. 
          I DO, LIKE I SAID, I'M JUST, JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER 
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WE HAVE THAT RIGHT. 
          TO DO IT, BUT PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 26. 
          WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S EMERGENCE. 
          I'M GOING WITH WHAT LATASHA? I THINK, I THINK PUTTING IT SO THAT WE WERE DOING A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE END OF AUGUST MIGHT GIVE US THE OTHER EMERGENCY. 
          IS HE WANTS IT ON THERE FOR 2016. 
          WE'LL PUT IT ON THE 26. 
          I'LL HAVE IT OVER HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS JUST SAYING, IF WE WENT OUT TO BEACH THAT MIGHT GIVE SOME COMPANIES THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, ARE THEY AREN'T THEY? AND THEN WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE MAKING A, WE'RE MAKING A STATEMENT ON IF THEY ARE. 
          THAT WAS ALL. 
          I WAS GOING TO SAVE IT, WHATEVER. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          IS THAT IT? ANYTHING ELSE, SCOTT? OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. 
          SO SOMEBODY WANT TO DO THAT COUNSEL FOR ME AND GO INTO CLOSE MEETINGS FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES. 
           COUNSEL CAN BE IN AND GO INTO CLOSE MEETINGS FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES PURSUANT TO SECTION TWO DOT TWO DASH 3 7 1 1 AT THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT RWANDA, THE DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF THE INVESTMENT OF PUBLIC FUNDS FROM A FEDERAL PROGRAM OR PARTNERING OR BARGAINING IS INVOLVED, WHERE IF MADE PUBLICLY PUBLIC, INITIALLY THE FINANCIAL INTEREST OF THE TOWN WOULD BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED UNDER SUBSECTION EIGHT DOT OF SET ACT AND FURTHER THE AWARD OF A PUBLIC CONTRACT INVOLVING THE EXPENDITURE OF PUBLIC FUNDS, INCLUDING INTERVIEWS OF BITTERS OR OFFERS AND DISCUSSION OF THE TERMS OR SCOPE OF SUCH CONTRACT, WHERE DISCUSSION IN AN OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE BARGAINING POSITION OR NEGOTIATING STRATEGY OF THE TOWN PURSUANT TO SUBSECTION H DOT 29 OF SET ACT, TWO DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION THAT THE DISPOSITION OF PUBLICLY HELD REAL PROPERTY, SPECIFICALLY A NEW LEASE OF PARKING SPACES ON TOWN, PROPERTY, B RENEWAL OF EXISTING LEASE ON TOWN, PROPERTY OF PARKING SPACES FOR AN EXISTING BUSINESS AND SEE THE CONVEYANCE OF THE TOWN'S INTEREST IN TWO DIFFERENT PIECES OF TWO DIFFERENT PIECES PROPERTY IT OWNS WITH OTHERS OUTSIDE THE TOWN LIMITS, ALL WHERE DISCUSSION IS AN OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE DEPARTMENT POSITION OR NEGOTIATING STRATEGY OF TOWN COUNCIL, ALL PURSUANT TO SUBSECTION A DOK. 
          THREE OF SET. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          VICE MAYOR. 
          COCK CROW. 
          YES. 
          COUNCILMAN GILLESPIE'S ABSENT. 
          COUNCILMAN LOYD. 
          YES. 
          COUNCILMAN MCFADDEN. 
          COUNCILMAN MEZA COUNCILMAN THOMPSON. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          NEED TO KNOW WHAT ITEMS YOU WANT ON BUSINESS ITEMS. WE CAN EITHER COME OUT AND DO IT OR CONSIDER IT AS THAT QUESTION. 
          WAIT, CAN WE COME IN? ARE YOU READY? BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE AS RECOGNIZED BY EACH COUNCIL MEMBERS AFFIRMATIVE VOTE THAT ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AS IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED OR HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED BY COUNCIL. 
          AND THAT THE VOTE, IF EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF COUNCIL WILL BE TAKEN BY ROLL CALL AND RECORDED AND INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES OF THE UPTOWN COUNCIL. 
          SECOND MAYOR HOLLOWAY, VICE MAYOR. 
          COCKREL ABSENT. 
          COUNCILMAN LOYD, COUNCILMAN MCFADDEN. 
          COUNCILMAN MEZA COUNCILMAN THOMPSON. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NOW WE'RE BACK IN SESSION. 
          SO STEVEN, YES, UH, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, PRIOR TO US GOING INTO CLOSED SESSION, WE NEED TO DISCUSS WHAT ITEMS YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ON BUSINESS ITEMS. AND, UM, THERE WERE CONSENT ITEMS, UH, PERSONAL ONE IS THE PROPOSAL BY A SPECIAL EVENT POLICY THAT CAN EITHER BE ON A BUSINESS ITEM OR CONSENT ITEM, RECOGNIZE THAT ANYTHING THOUGH  COUNCIL MEMBER CAN REQUEST A POOL, IT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND PULL IT TO DISCUSS. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC POLICY DISAGREEMENT. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S ONLY, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A PUBLIC STATEMENT ABOUT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          ABOUT IT RIGHT IN YOUR OPEN, LIKE OUR OPEN DISCUSSION WE CONSULT, RIGHT. 
          AM I MISSING SOMETHING? IS THIS ITEM, STEVE? I DON'T CARE EITHER WAY. 
          SO IT'S NOT, THE OPTICS MIGHT LOOK A LOT BETTER, BUT IF SOMEBODY REALLY FEELS COMPELLED AT THAT, THEN IT COMES OUT AND TALKS ABOUT IT EARLIER ON. 
          AND EVEN TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, DO THE WATER AND SEWER REPLACEMENT PROGRAM, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A HYBRID APPROACH. 
          UM, THAT WOULD BE DONE. 
          UM, WE WOULD HAVE 
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TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH A RESOLUTION ON THAT. 
          AND WE WOULD ALSO REQUIRE THE QUESTION OF PUBLIC CARRY POTENTIALLY, CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE MAKING SUPPORT EXCHANGE. 
          SO WE'LL BE PUTTING THAT TOGETHER. 
          THAT WILL BE A BUSINESS. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE A BUSINESS ITEM AND THEN REQUEST FOR REZONING. 
          THAT'S BUSY. 
          SO ONLY ONE WAS THE REVISED SPECIAL EVENTS THAT CONSENT. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER BUSINESS GUYS? ALRIGHT. 
          MAKING A JOURNEY.
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