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[Town Council Work Session on June 14, 2021.]
PERSONNEL.TELL COUNCIL, GO INTO CLOSE ME PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 11 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA PURPOSE.
THE PURPOSE OF THE REFORM COMMISSION SALARIES, RESIGNATION OFFICER'S APPOINTEES ARE EMPLOYEES OF A PUBLIC BODY UNDER SECTION EIGHT DOC.
HAVE YOU ALREADY READ IT? YOUR HOLLOWAY
I THINK I WANT TO DO IT AT 2 58.
SO WE'LL JUST,
SO AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE, WE WILL BE HAVING, UM, PUBLIC INPUT PERIOD AT OUR MEETING.
WELL, ALSO OUR FIRST ONE'S GOING TO BE AT 2 BILLION, 10 O'CLOCK OR THURSDAY AT 10 O'CLOCK AND WE'LL BE HAND HANDING THIS POLICY OUT IN YOUR EMERGENCY.
WE'LL WAIT FOR GARY OR PEOPLE WHO WANT CREDIT CARD DISCUSSION, BASICALLY GOING HERE FOR COUNSELING TO DISCUSS, WE CAN HAVE IT AT WORK OR PUBLIC HEARING AND IT WAS PULLED.
SO JUST HERE TO DISCUSS THE PROS, OUTWEIGH THE CONS TO THAT PRETTY MUCH ALL DIFFERENTLY.
LIKE THE BENEFITS OF HAVING, GETTING RID OF THAT CREDIT CARD.
THE DATA THAT'S PRESENTED MAKES GOOD SENSE.
AND, UM, AND I LIKE IT, BUT THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF LIKE, I MEAN, IN HERE, OBVIOUSLY YOU JUST DON'T KNOW.
AND SO YOU OUTLINE THOSE VERY CLEARLY, RIGHT? UM, WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE POTENTIAL REDUCTION OF BAD DEBT, DELINQUENT ACCOUNTS.
SO, UH, YOUR UNKNOWN VARIABLES ARE WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM PEOPLE WHO'VE COMMENTED OR MESSAGED.
THOSE VARIABLES SEEM TO BE, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE VERY POPULAR WITH ANYBODY.
WHO'S GOT AN OPINION, BUT, UM, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF VARYING PEOPLE.
I'M NOT JUST HEARING FROM ONE LITTLE BLOCK.
UM, AND IT ALL GOES BACK TO KIND OF WHAT LORI SAID ORIGINALLY WAS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SO MANY OPTIONS IF YOU WANT TO PAY WITH ACH BANK, UH, YOU KNOW, WHILE YOU'VE GOT THAT OPTION, YOU GOT THESE OPTIONS.
I REALLY AM FOR THIS PERSONALLY.
UM, NOT, I WANT PERSONALLY, UM, BECAUSE OF CERTAIN THINGS, PARTICULARLY LIKE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE SYSTEMS TO MAKE IT MORE, LESS, I MEAN, HOW MANY TIMES DO WE SEE, UH, EMPLOYEES? UH, YOU KNOW, SO WE HEAR THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO WE HEAR, YOU KNOW, I'D LOVE TO SEE THESE SYSTEMS KIND OF COME BACK IN AND I LIKED THAT, BUT AGAIN, UM, I KNOW THERE'S VARYING OPINIONS, RIGHT? YEAH.
I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I PULLED IT WAS A COUPLE OF REASONS.
NUMBER ONE, UM, I'M NOT FOR USING CREDIT CARDS TO PAY OUR TAX BILLS AND THAT WAS ALL ENCOMPASSING.
AND I KNOW YOU SAID IN YOUR NARRATIVE, JUST SPLIT THAT OUT TO BE A PAIN IN THE BUTT.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S AN UNFAIR NARRATIVE TO PUT IN THERE.
IT'S GOING TO COST EVERYBODY AT AN
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EXTRA DOLLAR 77 A MONTH BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE LATCHED ON TO IS, OH, WE'RE ALL GOING TO HAVE TO PAY MORE.WHEN IN REALITY, UM, AS I WAS FRAMING IT UP TO BEGIN WITH IS THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.
THIS IS THE PART THAT I WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT NESSUS.
I WASN'T READY TO ARGUE ABOUT THAT WITH THE SCRIPT AT THIS TIME, BUT I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP.
SO THE BILLING SOFTWARE OR THE CHANGE OF SOFTWARE, LET'S SAY THAT'S 250,000 OR 300,000, A LOW END.
ARE YOU GOING TO PUT OUT THE NARRATIVE THAT THAT'S GOING TO COST EVERYBODY AN EXTRA $2 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON THEIR BILLS.
UM, AND WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO SAY IT'S A COST OF DOING BUSINESS AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVE.
THE OTHER THING IS, IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO START WORKING TOWARDS PAPERLESS.
AND ALSO IT'S NOT IN THIS NARRATIVE IS HOW MUCH TIME ARE WE SPENDING ON OUR STAFF PROCESSING, EVERY CHECK THAT COMES IN, UM, AND CASHING IT, TAKE THEM TO THE BANK, RECONCILING THE BILL AND THE ACCOUNT AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.
THAT'S NOT GOING THROUGH ELECTRIC THAT WASN'T ON HERE.
UM, AND SO I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT, I APPRECIATE THAT ANALYSIS.
I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING OUT.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT CRITICIZING YOU.
I'M SAYING THERE'S MORE TO THE STORY THAN EVERYBODY WHO EMAILED ME OR CALLED ME WAS ABOUT THAT DOLLAR 77, UM, BEING ADDED TO THEIR BILL.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WAS ENTIRELY ACCURATE IN AN ENTERPRISE FUND.
AND I DON'T, I THINK PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE OF A SERVICE PROVIDER VERSUS A GOVERNMENT BUSINESS THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO RUN.
UM, AND I GOOGLED AND LOOKED UP DOMINION, ALLEGHENY AND ALL THESE OTHER COMPANIES, AND THEY ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO PAY, UH, VIA CREDIT CARD.
AND A LOT OF THEM DON'T CHARGE A FEE, THOMSON GAS, UM, UM, UH, ALL THE PROPANE VENDORS AND GAS VENDORS DON'T CHARGE A FEE FOR PROFIT.
ARE THEY A PROFIT COMPANY, PROFIT COMPANY OR GOVERNMENT, OUR ENTERPRISE PHONES, OR ARE PART OF A BUSINESS SCIENCE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE CAN MAKE A PROFIT ON OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE CAN NOT MAKE A PROFIT.
WELL, WE HAVE $10 MILLION IN RESERVE FUNDS OR, YOU KNOW, AN EXTRA THREE MONTHS MORE IN RESERVE FUNDS ON.
SO I MEAN, IT'S, WE COULD SPLIT THE HAIRS ON IT, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF MONEY IN OUR RESERVES TO GO BACK INTO THINGS THAT WE WOULD NEED FOR THAT.
AND WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF PAYING $12,000 ANNUALLY FOR THIS CUSTOM SOFTWARE, TO BE ABLE TO ACCEPT THE PAYMENTS AND CHARGE THAT CONVENIENCE FEE COULD BE ELIMINATING, THUS REDUCING THE EXPENSES BY $12,000.
NOW EVERYONE'S PAYING THAT $12,000 NOW, RIGHT? BUT UPDATING SOFTWARE IS PART OF THAT.
THAT'S PART OF THE EXPECTED EXPENSES, WHICH IS WHY IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO COME UP WITH A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
AND PART OF THAT SHOULD BE OUR SOFTWARE RIGHT NOW, OR TO MY UNDERSTANDING, WE WERE RUNNING, UM, THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT, UM, SOFTWARE SUITES TO, UM, ACCOMPLISH THINGS AT ONCE SOFTWARE SUITE, KID, UM, ACCOMPLISHED.
AND SO IF THAT'S THE SITUATION WE NEED TO EVALUATE, AND WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT SAVINGS WE'RE, UM, OBTAINING FOR OURSELVES BY HAVING NEW SOFTWARE SYSTEM LIKE, UM, ELECTRONIC BILLING, LIKE BILL PAY, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW.
UM, THOSE COULD BE COST SAVINGS.
THOSE COULD BE PULLED INTO A LARGER DISCUSSION ABOUT SOFTWARE, BUT, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO, AND AGAIN, I'VE GONE OUT TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT THIS, AND THEN THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, I SPECIFICALLY OVER AND OVER AGAIN, I'VE HEARD, UM, PEOPLE JUST SAY, I SPECIFICALLY GO DOWN THERE OR I PUT A STAMP ON IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY THE CREDIT CARD, THROW OTHER PEOPLE'S CREDIT CARDS.
IT'S AN ABSORPTION WHICH MOST OTHER BUSINESSES ARE DOING PERIOD.
AND THE FACT THAT WE SIT HERE AND WE'RE LIKE, OH, WELL THEN YOU'RE MAKING EVERYBODY PAY.
WHEN WE GET NEW SOFTWARE UPDATES, LIKE SAY WE TAKE THESE FOUR ENTERPRISE PIECES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND MAKE THEM UNTIL ONE, WE BUY NEW SOFTWARE FOR X NUMBERS OF DOLLARS.
AND THAT CAUSES EVERYBODY TO BUILD.
ARE THEY GOING TO CALL AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT TOO? YES.
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.
WE'RE ACTUALLY SAVING SOME MONEY.
WE'RE SAVING PEOPLE TIME AND EFFORT.
WE'RE IN THE YEAR 20, 21 MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE USING OUR DEBIT CARDS AND WHICH WE'RE CALLING EVERYTHING CREDIT CARD THAN THIS.
BUT A LOT OF DEBIT CARDS ARE NOT NECESSARILY PUTTING IT ON HER AMERICAN EXPRESS.
THEY'RE USING THEIR DEBIT CARD FROM THEIR BANK BECAUSE A LOT OF THINGS NOW ARE EVEN OFFERING YOU CHECK.
LIKE, THEY'RE JUST LIKE, HERE'S A CARD, BUT IF THEY CAN DO THE DEBIT, THEY CAN TAKE IT FROM THEIR CHECKING ACCOUNT, WHICH IS WHAT THEY DO.
SO, BUT Y'ALL JUST NOW AGREED ON A $250 FEE FOR EVENTS.
SO WHO PAYS THAT IF IT'S OVER $250 OR DOES THAT COME OUT, WHO PAYS THAT FEE? YOU JUST PASSED.
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YOU DIDN'T PASS HIM.YOU ALL AGREED, HAD A CONSENSUS, THE ONE, $250 FLAT, FLAT FEE FOR A SPECIAL EVENTS AND STUFF DOWNTOWN.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IF IT'S 500 COST DOWN TO 500, $600,000 WHO PAYS THAT, BUT THEY'RE NOT THERE
UH, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT STATISTICS TODAY.
GAS IS 86% HIGHER THAN IT WAS THIS TIME.
LAST YEAR, JUST THAT'S JUST GASOLINE.
AND THAT AFFECTS EVERY, EVERY PART WE WEREN'T GOING ANYWHERE.
WE WEREN'T GOING TO GET ANYWHERE.
I'M SAYING IT'S A FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE LIVING WITH.
AND SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT RAISING, RAISING FEES FOR PEOPLE WHO WOULD JUST WANT TO HAVE AN EVENT DOWNTOWN.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RAISING FEES FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN AVOID THEM RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE THAT BE MORE EXPENSIVE FOR EVERYBODY.
WHY AREN'T WE AS A COLLECTIVE, TRYING TO LOOK FOR EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE THE, UM, THE BURDEN, THE FINANCIAL BURDEN ON OUR PEOPLE.
SO LET ME JUST CLARIFY SOMETHING, VJ US VOTING ON THIS.
DOES THIS RAISE ANY FEES TO THE ENTERPRISE USERS AND OUR, UH, ELECTRIC WATER, SEWER TRASH, AND THAT AT THIS TIME, THAT'S THE RAISE.
ANY FEES? WAIT, I WAS GOING TO GET TO THAT.
DO WE CURRENTLY RUN A SURPLUS ON OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS THAT IS ABOVE OUR THREE MONTH HOLDING RAINY DAY FUNDS.
HER FUND DOES A WATER IS RIGHT AT THE THRESHOLD.
ELECTRIC IS BLUE AND RED PIECES, WHICH WERE PUT IN RATE INCREASES TO BRING THE, UM, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE, THE WATER BACK UP TO BRING IT BACK IN LINE.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING, AND THIS ACTUALLY GOT OFF TRACK A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE IF YOU REMEMBER, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT SIMPLE, ALL INCLUSIVE, LET'S CHANGE OUT OUR SOFTWARE.
UM, AND THE THOUGHT PROCESS FOR MY PERSPECTIVE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS FIGURE OUT HOW TO ABSORB THIS, NOT INCREASE COSTS.
LET'S GET SOME, LET'S GET SOME EFFICIENCIES THAT I TALK ABOUT PERSONNEL THERE.
LET'S GET SOME EFFICIENCIES THAT WHERE ELSE, AND ABSORB THE COSTS AND MAKE IT MORE CONVENIENT TO PAY PEOPLE'S BILLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO GET MONEY QUICKER, UM, TO HAVE IT GO DIRECTLY INTO BANK ACCOUNTS, HAVING ALL THAT SET UP ON AUTO-PAY, UM, AND JUST RUN IT LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING.
UM, SO, BUT THEN WE PULLED IT OUT AND JUST WENT STRAIGHT UP TO THE CREDIT CARD FEES.
AND DIDN'T TALK ABOUT ANY OF THE OTHER STUFF.
UH, BUT WHY WOULD SUPPORT A SOFTWARE OVERHAUL THAT GAINS EFFICIENCY, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT JUST, UH, UH, BELLS AND WHISTLES THAT COST US 10 MILLION EXTRA.
IT'S GOING TO COST US A COSTUME.
WELL IS PROBABLY NOT A GOOD IDEA.
MY BOOK COMMODITY, I MEAN, IT WAS,
UM, IF WE HAVE THAT MUCH EXTRA Y YEAH, I MEAN, WHAT FEES ARE WE CHARGING THAT WE WOULD HAVE THAT MUCH EXTRA IN RESERVE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD ON INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGH OUR TOWN AND, YOU KNOW, THANK GOD WE HAVE THAT MONEY, BUT THIS IS JUST GOING TO TAKE MORE MONEY OUT OF IT.
YOU KNOW? SO, BUT THIS WAS AN ARGUMENT THAT I HAD WITH JEAN T. WALL.
HE ASKED ME PERSONALLY, CAN'T HAVE THAT MUCH.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA USE IT, GIVE IT BACK.
UH, THE SURPLUS IN OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS MAINLY COMES THROUGH CONNECTION FEES.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS COMING IN, THEY'RE PAYING $700,000 IN CONNECTION FEES.
WE DIDN'T BUDGET FOR $700,000 TO COME IN.
SO THAT'S ONE, TWO, OUR SURPLUS THAT WITH THE SEWER.
UM, IF YOU REMEMBER HERE IN THE LAST YEAR, WE'VE SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OUT OF THE SEWER SURPLUS FUNDS AND THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING DOWN.
SO WE'RE STILL NOT OUT OF THAT CONSENT ORDER.
SO THE SEWER IS GOING TO COME DOWN VERY QUICKLY OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING OUT A $500,000 LOAN TO HELP PAY FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S ONLY ADDS ON TOP OF WHAT
WE HAVE, HOPEFULLY WE'RE WORKING SO THAT IN 10 OR 20 YEARS, UM, FUTURE COUNSEL ISN'T, UM, IS IN THE SAME SITUATION.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE PLAYING CATCH UP ON THE SEWER AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
UM, BUT WHEN BEING IT'S, IT'S EXPENSIVE
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THAT MUCH, WE HAVE A FULL-TIME PERSON COLLECTING PAYMENTS AT THE WINDOW.UM, YEAH, WE HAVE, UM, THREE RIGHT NOW, THREE, AND NOW WE'RE GETTING
YOU DID NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO CUT THAT CUT OUT.
I WAS GOING TO HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE, UM, MELANIN HIM COMING IN TO DO PAYMENTS WHEN YOU CAN JUST DO SO.
I MEAN, THAT'S EVEN DOING THE ANALYSIS.
LIKE IT SHOWS LIKE THE EXPONENTIAL GROWTH OF THAT COME IN AND PAY BY CHECK OR WHATEVER.
WHY DON'T THEY JUST SET UP ACH? I DON'T UNDERSTAND, LIKE, DID THEY NOT KNOW WHAT'S AVAILABLE? WHAT'S NOT JUST NOT JUST DEBIT CARDS, CRITICAL AUTOMATICALLY COME OUT THE WINDOW, PAYING WITH CREDIT CARD AND PAY WITH MY CARD.
11,377 COMES THROUGH OUR LOBBY COMPARED TO THE 10,000 THAT'S 17.
SO IT'S HALF ON HALF OF THE CREDIT CARD PAYMENTS ARE COMING THROUGH THE LAW ON THE DAY, THE BEAT THEY'RE WALKING, THEY'RE COMING UP AND THEY'RE PAYING THE FEE CONVENIENT AND NOBODY CARRIED THE TEFLON, MAYBE FIVE PEOPLE.
I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY IF YOU'RE, WELL, IF YOUR BILL IS MESSED UP, THEN YOU'RE IN A, A WORLD OF TROUBLE.
YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN ZONED INCORRECTLY.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THIS IS AN EMERGENCY.
LIKE WE HAVE TO LIKE, GET THIS OVER THE FINISH LINE TOMORROW JUST BEFORE DECEMBER 31ST.
UM, UM, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW, BJ IS YOU DID A GREAT JOB OUTLINING THE ADDITIONAL EXPENSE THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO INCUR AND YOU GAVE US SOME SCENARIOS.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY GREAT WORK FOR US TO WORK FROM WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW IS HOW MUCH OF THAT DO WE THINK WE CAN MITIGATE EITHER GAINING THROUGH EFFICIENCIES, GOING PAPERLESS, WHATEVER.
IN OTHER WORDS, IS THERE SOME SORT OF PLAN THAT WE COULD DEVELOP THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, CHANGE EITHER, KEEP IT WHERE IT IS AS OUR TOTAL CREDIT CARD COSTS OR HELP OFFSET SOME OF THAT INCREASE, UM, SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY KIND OF GET MAYBE A TRUE UNDERSTANDING OF THAT.
UM, AND I THINK THAT, THAT, I THINK THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS HOW CAN WE OFFSET SOME OF THAT COST INCREASE WITHOUT RAISING THE BILL, WHICH WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY DOING TO PEOPLE ANYWAYS, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, RIGHT? I KNOW I'VE SAID THIS TO SOMEONE'S AUTOMATICALLY DEDUCTED ON MY CHECKING ACCOUNT, BUT I STILL GET A BILL EVERY MONTH, WHICH IS FINE.
I KNOW LOTS OF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE THAT, BUT FOR ME, IT'S LIKE I HIT ON MY BANK.
WHAT COMES OUT AND ALL I GET IS FROM THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL MAIL.
THAT WAS THE MONEY THAT I'VE EVEN SAID, WHY DO Y'ALL NEED TO SEND ME A BILL AT ALL? BECAUSE IT'S, I WENT THROUGH THIS WITH MY CAR WHEN IT WAS AUTOMATICALLY DEDUCTED TODAY, YOURSELF, THE STAMP AND THE ENVELOPE AND THE PERSON THAT'S RUNNING IT OFF.
BUT IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, THEN WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE VENDOR.
THAT'S THE BIG, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF THE SOFTWARE ITSELF AND SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE, SEE WHAT WILL FIT US.
APPARENT VENDOR DOESN'T OFFER THAT IT WAS THE CURRENT SOFTWARE WE'RE ON.
I KNOW ONE OF THE UTILITIES MY KIDS HAVE AND THEY'RE IN THEIR COLLEGE BILLS, THEY ACTUALLY TAKE 5% OR WE GET, I GET UP LIKE $5 OFF OF THE BILL EVERY MONTH BECAUSE IT'S SET UP TO BE ON THAT.
WELL, SINCE, SINCE WE CLOSED THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING, WE HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD? AND WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK ABOUT JUST ADVERTISING IT AND HAVING THE PUBLIC COME AND SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU ALREADY ADVERTISE AND ADVERTISE.
IT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND YOU KNOW, IT'D BE BACK.
WE CAN DISCUSS IT THERE, THEN, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO TAKE IT ON FARTHER, WE DON'T HAVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO ADVERTISE AGAIN.
I THINK THERE HAS TO BE A WAY FOR US TO GET TO SOME SORT OF CONSENSUS.
AS I SAID THAT THOUGH, THE LAST MEETING, I DON'T, I THINK WE GENERALLY WANT THE SAME THINGS, BUT WHEN WE'RE SEEING A PRICE TAG, I THINK IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.
EVERYBODY'S SEEN THAT DOLLAR 77.
WELL, I THINK MOST OF THE PEOPLE, AND I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK EVEN YESTERDAY.
SOMEBODY APPROACHED ME ABOUT IT.
AND, UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, OTHER PLACES HERE IN WARREN COUNTY, I THINK, I THINK AT THE COURTHOUSE, THEY CHARGE A CONVENIENCE FEE.
IF I SAID TO YOU, YOU CAN PAY ANY WAY YOU WANT AND ROCK AND RAISE YOUR BILL.
HOW DO YOU THINK PEOPLE WOULD ANSWER THAT? ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? SURE.
WE SAID WE'RE RAISING YOUR BILL, WHICH IS NOT THE CASE.
I'M ACTUALLY GONNA MAKE MORE MONEY THAN A DOLLAR 70%.
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WELL, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL TAKE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 28TH AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC AND CALM.AND IF WE WANT TO TAKE IT, CALL IT THE TABLE AND DISCUSS IT MORE AND WE'LL POST PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WE WILL HAVE TO RE ADVERTISE.
KENDALL HALL, HOTEL AND HOME BUILDING.
DO YOU WANT TO COME OVER HERE? YOU WANNA COME OVER HERE? UM, REDUCE WITH THIS SHELTER, UH, PARTS OF THESE AGREEMENTS BEFORE HER TOWN HALL CALL, CALL IT THE OLD TOWN HALL BUILDING AND THE BUILDING IMMEDIATELY BEHIND IT, UH, IS SUPPOSED TO BE KEPT AT ALL TIMES IN A GOOD STATE OF REPAIR.
DO YOU MIND THE CURRENT OWNER? UM, AND UH, AFTER THE CURRENT OWNER, UH, UH, REPRESENTS TO THE EDA, UH, THAT, UM, UH, IN THAT TOO, UH, OWNED THE PROPERTY AND TRANSFERRED IT TO THE CURRENT OWNER THAT, UM, UH, THE CURRENT OWNER WOULD, UM, USE THE PROPERTY, UH, UM, WITH THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THE PROPERTY, CONSISTENT WITH ALL APPLICABLE STATUTES, GO RULES AND REGULATIONS.
OF COURSE THEY'RE NOT USING FOR ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.
AND, UH, IF THE OWNER DOES NOT MAINTAIN THE GUILTY, UH, UH, STATE OF REPAIR, THE TOWN HAS THE RIGHT TO, UM, WHY THE PROPERTY, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH INDEPENDENT APPRAISERS, I WANT TO RETAIN BY TOWN COUNCIL PROPERTY AND A THIRD, UH, TO BE A THIRD BRAISER TO BE SELECTED BY THE FIRST TWO.
AND, UH, SO, UM, RIGHT NOW, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T KNOW IF THE PROPERTY IS BEING MAINTAINED IN A GOOD STATE OF REPAIR.
UM, WE'D HAVE TO GO INSIDE THE PROPERTY.
UM, BUT, UM, AND THE LAST TIME WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS UP TO THEM, THEY CLEANED IT UP.
THEY CLEANED IT UP, SO WE KIND OF BUY IT, CAUSE THIS WAS ALL BROUGHT UP BEFORE.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE OUTSIDE AND WE WERE, WE WENT IN IT, UM, AND IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS A MESS.
I MEAN, IT HAD FLOODED, UM, BUT THERE WAS OIL AND THAT, UH, WHATEVER, I CAN'T, I CAN'T RECALL, BUT IT WAS, YEAH.
SO IN THE BASEMENT, SO YEAH, SO I THINK WE ALL LET'S DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
WHAT'S THAT THEY OFFERED TO SELL IT TO US FOR LIKE A MILLION, TWO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SOMETHING CRAZY.
AND THEY LISTED IT FOR THAT PRICE.
WE GOT THAT REALTOR AND THEY LISTED IT FOR 1,000,002.
IT IS SOMETHING LIKE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW TO STOP US FROM BUYING IT.
AND SO MY POINT IS, IS LIKE, I, I, THIS IS THE SAME PATH WE TRIED TO PRESENT LAST TIME.
AND THEY POURED INTO US AT THIS.
THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY THAT LISTED THE PROPERTY FOR A MILLION, TWO, AND SAID, COME BY IF YOU WANT IT.
BUT THEY WERE OFFICIALLY SELLING IT.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S RYAN.
BUT IT'S LISTED FOR 900,000 NOW.
I THINK I JUST WANT SOMEBODY AT THE OUTSIDE OF IT.
ISN'T THE SAME AS WHAT'S INSIDE.
YEAH, NO, NOT FOR THAT IN A WAY, BUT I THINK LET'S MOVE ON IT.
I SAY THAT'S TAKEN GO INSIDE AND TAKE A LOOK AND, UM, IT'S JUST MOVING ON IT.
I MEAN, IT'S BEEN VACANT SINCE WE LEFT.
THE PROBLEM IS THE LONGER IT SITS, THE WORST IT'S GONNA GET.
SO THE NEXT STEP IS TO START THE APPRAISALS.
WELL, IT'S MAYBE THE NEXT STEP IS THAT WE NEED AN INSPECTOR.
LET'S GET A THIRD PARTY INSPECTOR TO COME ALONG WITH US AND, AND GO INSIDE, TOUR IT, LOOK AT THE OUTSIDE AND HAVE HIM GO OVER EVERYTHING.
DON'T YOU ALL AGREE? WE HAVE TO KNOW.
CAUSE WE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT NOW.
WHAT'S THAT WE HAVE TO NOTIFY THEM TO DO THAT.
UM, YEAH, I'M SURE WE HAVE GOOD SANDY AND WE WANT TO COME HERE MULTIPLE THINGS ON THERE THAT ARE MULTIPLE LITTLE LIKE, UM, THINGS ON THERE THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING.
LIKE IT WASN'T JUST ONE LITTLE, YEAH, THERE WERE SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND THAT'S NOT SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND SAY, YOU HAVE TO WE'LL GET IT APPRAISED.
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ENERGY.IT'S NOT NOWHERE NEAR A MILLION DOLLARS.
AND REGARDLESS OF THAT, IT MAKES THEM CLEAN IT UP.
WELL, WHAT, BEFORE LONG THE
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS ALL CAME FROM.
HONESTLY, I HAVEN'T BEEN PART OF THIS WHOLE, I MEAN, WE EXCHANGED ONE BUILDING FOR ANOTHER BUILDING, ALL THAT HAPPENS AND NOW WE WANT TO BUY IT.
AND WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO WITH IT? DO WE EVEN WANT TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT? I DON'T GET IT.
SO DO WE ASK THEM, SO WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? LIKE, WHAT'S THE POINT OF THIS? I THINK IT WAS FROM MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN THE OFFERS CAME ABOUT WITH THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, THE REGRET OF TRADING THE BUILDINGS.
AND THEN, UM, RE-ESTABLISHING WHAT WE'VE HAD LIVED HERE LONG ENOUGH TO HAVE REGRETS AND TALENT.
UH, RE-ESTABLISHING A TOWN HALL IS WHAT I'VE GATHERED FROM MY TIME HERE.
BUT CHRIS PROBABLY HAD MORE INFORMATION.
SO IF WE BOUGHT IT, WE, WE ORDERED 10 ALL MEETINGS IN THERE INSTEAD OF AT THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT WANT TO DO WITH IT.
I MEAN, THE PLACE NEEDS TO BE, IT NEEDS TO BE GUTTED.
I MEAN, IT'S GOT A SPECIFICITY IN IT AND EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, IT NEEDS TO BE GUTTED AND REDONE INSIDE, BUT I MEAN, HE USED TO BE THE TOWN HALL, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR PLANNING IS THERE AND IT USED TO BE OFF TO THE ONE SIDE.
I MEAN, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH, BUT IT'S GOT A LOT OF SENTIMENTAL VALUE.
IT'S GOING TO BECOME A MIGHTY BUILDING.
IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME, JOE, JOE, THE SAME GUY WHO OWNED THE AFTERNOON OWNS THAT.
NOW, IF YOU DO ANYTHING WITH THE AFTERNOON NIGHT NOW, DOES THAT WINDOWS DOORS
SO THEN WHAT'S THE POINT WITH ANY OTHER BLADED BUILDING IN TOWN? WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE CREATING A BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THESE BLIGHTED BUILDINGS.
I GOT ONE GOOD PURPOSE FOR THAT BILL.
WE BRING IT HERE AT THE COUNCIL.
BUT WE NEED A PLACE WHERE, WHERE THESE PEOPLE CAN GO.
THAT IS OUT, BUT HOPE DIFFERENT SUBJECT GOT YOU LATER.
BUT, UM, WE DEFINITELY NEED SOMEPLACE LIKE THAT FURTHER DISCUSSION.
IT'S GOING TO BE STARTING THE WHOLE IDEA OF CONTACTING THEM, GETTING IN THERE, LOOKING AT HOW BAD IT IS NOW WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THE APPRAISER.
WE CAN USE OUR CREDIT CARD ONLY IF THEY'RE NOT CHARGING A FEE.
UH, NEXT ONE IS THE, UH, UPCOMING LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA.
UM, UM, GETTING JULY ARREST POSSESSION OF UP TO ONE OUNCE OF MARIJUANA AND, UH, UH, CULTIVATION UP TO FOUR PLANTS PER HOUSEHOLD MARIJUANA COMPOUNDS REAL DEAL WILL BEGIN ON JANUARY 1ST, 2004.
AND THAT'S WHEN THE SALE OF RETAIL MARIJUANA WILL BECOME LEGAL.
LOCALITIES CAN OPT OUT OF THE RETAIL SALES PRIOR TO DECEMBER 31ST, UH, 2022.
AND, UH, THE KICKER ON THAT IS THAT, UM, IF YOU OPT OUT, YOU LOSE SOME OF THE, UM, RETAIL, UH, TAX, WHICH IS, UH, UP TO 24%.
SO IT'S A CARROT AND STICK THING.
THERE'S UH, THE LEGISLATION IS EXTREMELY COMPLICATED.
IT'S FIND 187 PAGES SO FAR, IT'S GOING TO BECOME A LOT MORE COMPLICATED.
UM, A LOT OF THE DETAILS HAVE NOT BEEN IRONED OUT.
MAYBE NOT IT'S NOT COME OUT YET.
UM, SO, UH, I THINK A LOT OF IT WILL BECOME A LOT CLEARER AFTER JANUARY 1ST.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT FOLLOW IT ON PRETTY CLOSELY TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER, UH, FIRST OF ALL, IF THE COUNTY DOES THEIR REFERENDUM, WE'RE STUCK WITH THE COUNTIES REFERENCE.
UM, COUNTY DOES REFERENDUM THE WAY IT'S WORDED.
IT'S REALLY WEIRD THAT THE COUNTY CONSIDERING IT, I DON'T KNOW.
I HAVEN'T HEARD, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING.
THE ODDEST PART ABOUT THIS, THAT I AM READING.
THIS IS SO THERE'S NO LEGAL AVENUE FOR PURCHASING IT OR
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SEEDS.THERE'S NO LEGAL AVE TO PURCHASE SEEDS.
YOU CAN GROW FOUR PLANTS STARTING JULY ONE, BUT YOU CAN'T TRANSPORT ANYTHING FROM ANOTHER STATE INTO HERE.
SO I'M JUST, THIS IS A VERY SILLY QUESTION, BUT I'M THINKING LIKE, IS IT JUST GOING TO POP OUT OF THE
SO THIS, THIS, THEY PUT THIS OUT THERE AND THERE'S, THERE'S SO MUCH CONFUSION AND NOT CLARITY THAT I FEEL SORRY FOR ANYBODY THAT'S TRYING TO PROSECUTE IT, OR YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU CAN'T PURCHASE THE DDO CAVAN.
THE GOAL IS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF NON-VIOLENT OFFENDERS YOU HAVE IN JAIL FOR STUFF LIKE THIS.
IT'S A FREE UP POLICE OFFICER'S TIME.
I'D RATHER HE'D GO AFTER THE HEROIN AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND THIS RIGHT NOW WITH THIS TACK THAT 21% 40% GOING FOR PRE-K AND AT RISK PROGRAMS FOR THREE AND FOUR YEAR OLD.
AND, UM, THEY'RE ALSO PUTTING MONEY TOWARDS THE DEPARTMENT OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WHICH, WHICH INCLUDE SUBSTANCE ABUSE, ET CETERA, WITH ANYONE EVERYONE KNOWS IT'S HARD TO GET IN ANY SORT OF MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY.
I JUST MEANT THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN.
SOMEBODY OBVIOUSLY DID IT READ IT VERY CLEARLY BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T TRANSPORT ANY IN SOME AT EIGHT AND YOU CAN'T PURCHASE SEEDS, BUT YOU CAN GROW, WHAT DO WE SUPPOSE FROM GRANT? THERE'S GOING TO BE, THERE'S GOING TO BE BUSINESSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND THEN THEY CAN NOT TILL 2023, THEY'RE GETTING THEIR STUFF TOGETHER NOW.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT LIKE MANASSAS HAS A COUPLE OF THINGS GOING ON TOO.
BUT I THINK IT'S ONLY MEDICAL MARIJUANA RIGHT NOW.
I SEE ALL THESE TOBACCO SHOPS THEY'RE, THEY'RE SETTING UP.
AND I THINK WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO IS, YOU KNOW, BEFORE 20, 24 MINUTES HERE, I THINK WE OUGHT TO TAKE IT TO SET SOME PIPE, UH, LIMITS.
UH, I DON'T WANT TO SEE, LIKE, THERE'S ONLY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, UH, LICENSE YOU CAN GET.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE LIKE ONE, LET'S SAY BUSINESS OWNER, LIKE SIX, UH, UH, SHOPS HERE IN TOWN.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO PUT A LIMIT TO, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT THE SHOPS, THAT'S IT? YEAH.
THEY WOULD HAVE MONOPOLIZED THE WHOLE NINE.
LET'S SAY LIKE YOU SEE ALL THESE TOBACCO SHOPS THAT ARE OPENING UP AND IT LOOKED LIKE, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE AT NIGHT.
AND SO
WHAT THEY CAN SEE IS THAT WAS A WORK AROUND IN DC.
SO IS THAT JUST SOMETHING MAYBE THESE, I MEAN, I WAS THINKING THAT'S WHAT THOSE TOBACCO SHOPS ARE GETTING READY TO DO IS THAT THEY COULD DO BASICALLY THE SAME THING AS IN DC, WHICH IS SALLY, HAVE A SNICKER AND GIVE YOU A FREE GIFT.
UM, BUT THAT YOU, YOU HIGHLIGHTED THAT.
SO I THINK THAT'S INTERESTING, YOU GUYS GOING TO BE HERE'S SEED PLANNING,
THE APPLICATION FEE IS $10,000.
NON-REFUNDABLE AND YOU'RE NOT GUARANTEED TO GET THAT THE APPLICATION FEE PURSE OR LOCATION
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BEFORE THEN, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE LIKE ONE BUSINESS OWNER HAVE LIKE SIX TO EIGHT, YOU KNOW, UM, I SHOPS HERE IN TOWN.
I MEAN, WELL, I, YOU KNOW, THIS QUESTION I WANT TO ASK IS WHAT COULD WE DO OR REFERENDUM? WELL, ONE THING WE CAN DO, UH, IT'S GOTTA BE FLESHED OUT AND PASS ON.
THERE WILL BE SOME, UM, LOCAL ZONING CONTROL, UH, IN ORDER TO, UH, REGULATE, UH, ONCE THE OPERATION OF THESE SHOPS AND, UM, LIKE THE HOURS WHERE THEY CAN BE LOCATED AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO THE STATE IS GOING TO BE, UH, COMING UP WITH ADDITIONAL STATUTORY, UM, AUTHORITY TO, UH, ALLOW LOCALITIES TO, UH, REGULATE THIS, UH, LOCALLY.
SO ONCE WE GET MORE CLARIFICATION FROM THE STATE,
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WE'LL HAVE A LOT BETTER UNDERSTANDING, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S PRETTY SPARSE.IT WAS, SEEMS LIKE WITH ONE OF THESE OTHER STATES, LIKE COLORADO, WASHINGTON, IT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THIS, THEY'VE GOT CREW KYLER.
SO BRAVELY AND THE REST OF IT'S GOING TO COME OUT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, THE LAW'S GOING TO HAVE TO CATCH UP WITH THE CATCH UP WITH WHAT THEY'VE LEARNED.
WELL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, SINCE I ASKED THE QUESTION, I THINK WE'RE ABLE TO DO, SHOULD EXPLORE DOING A REFERENDUM THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT FREEDOM BECAUSE THAT'S ALL WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE TIME AND I THINK YOU SHOULD BE, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT.
SO SHOULD I, SHOULD WE ALSO BELONG YOUR LAST THING HERE ON MY AGENDA? CAN THAT BE PUT TO A REFERENDUM? SURE.
I MEAN, I MEAN, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, TO ME, IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SEE YOU, ANDY, AND I'M NOT DOING WITH SORT OF WAY, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO COME OUT, BUT YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE A FREEDOM FIGHTER.
AND THEN YOU'RE LIKE, BUT I WANT TO SHUT THIS DOWN.
I WANT TO TAKE THIS DOWN A CASE APP.
LIKE, HOW CAN WE NOT DO THIS? HOW CAN WE NOT DRAMATIC? WELL, NO, IT'S, IT'S A DRAMATIC CHANGE IN THE CULTURE REGARDING THIS ONE THING.
AND IT'S BEING FORCED ON US, PRETTY, VERY IN A HURRIED FASHION AND YOU PUT IT TO THE PEOPLE AND THEY CAN TELL US HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS DRAMATIC CHANGE.
YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE PEOPLE BRINGING IT IN.
YOU'RE NOT TAKING, I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING TO BRING IT ENFORCEABLE TO GO AFTER THOSE PEOPLE, LIKE, TO ME, IT'S LIKE A WASTE, IT'S A QUESTION OF RETAIL SALE.
SOMEBODY WALKS IN, ARE YOU SELLING MARIJUANA? AND THEN WE'RE MISSING OUT ON TAX REVENUE TOO.
SO, AND AS WE CAN PUT IT TO THE PEOPLE AND THEY CAN DECIDE, I REALLY DON'T KNOW LIKE THE SENSE OF, UM, I'M SORRY.
I CAN'T THINK TO READ TO WHERE IT'S SOMETHING ABOUT, LIKE, IF THE COUNTY PUTS IT TO A REFERENDUM, IT'LL AFFECT YOU.
IT WAS JUST SO MUCH AN OPEN QUESTION.
IT WOULDN'T MATTER IF WE DID IT FIRST THAN THEY DID IT.
WE MUST HAVE RECOMMENDED
ANY OTHER, ANYTHING ELSE GUYS? ARE WE GOOD? OKAY.
DOUG, THANK YOU FOR THE EXTRA POSE.
THE ONE IS PERTAINING TO THE MEDICAL FREEDOM, UH, AND TEMPERATE ROLE SCOTT.
SO THE ORIGINAL VERSION THAT WENT OUT, EVERYBODY HAS A NEW VERSION.
SO ESSENTIALLY THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE, WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO THIS TOWN, THE TOWN ITSELF FROM REQUIRING THE COVID-19 BAGS COVID-19 OR ARE WE GOING TO DO IT? TOWN-WIDE ARE WE GOING TO SAY THAT NO ENTITY WITHIN TOWN REQUIRE, SO WHILE OFFICE SCOTT LLOYD CANNOT REQUIRE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF TO TAKE A BACK SEAT.
SO THIS IS SAYING, CAUSE I LOOKED OVER ORIGINAL ONE.
THERE'S THIS ONE TALKING ABOUT US AS A TOWN TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY OUR EMPLOYEES.
SO THE FIRST ONE OPTION ONE IS TOWN-WIDE OPERATIVE LANGUAGE OR THE THING THAT'S MOST DIFFERENT IS A, IT SHALL BE UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON OR ENTITY OPERATING WITHIN CALIFORNIA.
OPTION TWO, WHICH IS MORE LIMITED AGAIN, SECTION A IS THE BIG DECK IS DELI ON LEVEL FOR ANY PERSON OR ENTITY OPERATING ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN OF PROFILE.
YOU AND I MODELED THIS AFTER THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT, JUST ALLOWING DISCRIMINATION ON THIS.
SO I DID SOME RESEARCH AND SEEING HOW THIS IS APPLIED OR TYPICALLY APPLIED.
AND I WENT TO THE GOVERNMENT, A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SITE, AND BASICALLY IT WAS, YOU CAN OPT OUT OF COURSE, BEING PREGNANT, ANY SORT OF DISABILITY LIKE THAT, THAT YOU CAN CALL UP A STRONG PERSONAL BELIEF OR DISABILITY.
IN WHICH CASE, IF YOU GO TO YOUR EMPLOYER AND SAY, I HAVE ONE OF THESE FOUR THINGS, THEY HAVE TO MAKE A REASONABLE COMBINATION.
OH, THAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT COST THEM A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
IF I GO INTO MY EMPLOYER, I CAN'T, THEY CAN SAY, WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO MAYBE
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WORK A DIFFERENT SHIFT OR CAN YOU JUST MAINTAIN YOUR SIX FEET DISTANCE FROM OTHER PEOPLE? BUT IT LOOKED LIKE YOU ALREADY CAN'T REALLY DO THAT STRAIGHT OUT WITHOUT THE EXPECTATION OF A LAWSUIT FROM WHAT I COULD CREATE.I VERY MUCH LIKE THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE THE FEEDBACK THAT I'VE BEEN GETTING IS THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE OF REALLY WHAT THEIR, UM, WHERE THEY FALL WITHIN THIS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORD IS, COLLECTION OF, UH, ACCOMMODATIONS, UM, EXEMPTION.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION THAT REALLY APPLIES TO CHILDREN GETTING VACCINES FOR SCHOOL.
UM, AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN, IN ANOTHER CONTEXT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A BROADER FEDERAL EXEMPTION, THEN THAT'S DEFINITELY, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO, BUT WE ALSO HAVE, UM, MARYLAND DC COMING OUT WITH STATE VERSIONS OF, OF A MANDATE AND IT'S NOT CLEAR WHAT, UM, EXEMPTIONS APPLY.
AND SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS JUST BE PROACTIVE AS A, AS A GOVERNMENT ENTITY OUT THERE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, WE WANT PEOPLE WITHIN OUR TOWN LIMITS TO BE PROTECTED.
AND TO BE CLEAR THAT IF YOU TAKE THIS VACCINE WALL, YOU ARE PROTECTED FROM HAVING TO TAKE, UM, AND THAT TO ME SEEMS STRAIGHT FORWARD IN THE BEST.
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION ON THAT.
UM, SO I'M TRYING TO SEPARATE, UM, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TOWN, TOWN STAFF VERSUS WHAT YOU JUST OUTLINED.
BUT THE BIGGEST QUESTION IN MY HEAD IS FOR DOUG IS CAN THE TOWN ACTUALLY TELL OTHER BUSINESSES THAT YOU CANNOT MANDATE THE VACCINE, UM, FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES? AND I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE CASE.
SO THAT'S WHERE I STRUGGLE WITH THIS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TELL HIM, SORRY, GO AHEAD.
UM, IN WHAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO DO, I PROPOSED THIS QUESTION TO SCOTT EARLIER TODAY, OPPORTUNITY TO GET BACK TO ME, I'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THIS YEARS.
THERE'S A HUGE BODY OF WALL, HUGE BODY OF CASE LAW ON THE SHIT, STATUTORY LAW, AND REALLY LIKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO, UM, UH, RESEARCH IT BECAUSE THERE'S LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF CASES THAT STRETCH BACK INTO AT LEAST TO THE 1890S ON THIS.
AND I AM, UH, AUTUMN,
UM, THE, UH, IT SEEMS WHAT THE LAW TO ME IS, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT IS THE STATUS OF THE LAW IS THAT IT'S WITHIN THE POLICE POWER OF THE STATE TO REQUIRE VACCINES FOR COMMUNICABLE DISEASES, UNLESS YOU HAVE A, UM, REMARKABLE, UH, RELIGIOUS, UH, REASON NOT TO GET A NEW ORGANIZATION OR UNLESS YOU HAVE A DEMONSTRABLE, UH, HEALTH REASON THAT GETTING A VACCINATION WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO YOUR HEALTH.
AND, UM, BUT BEFORE I ADVISE THE TOWN OF THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THE CASE.
I, I REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE I READ EVERYTHING THERE IS GREED, AND I DON'T WANT TO JUST CLEAN AS A FIRST AT FIRST GLANCE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK IT'S CLEAR.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY INTERESTING, UM, AS A LOCALITY OR AT LEAST DEFINITELY IF WE WERE THE STATE, THERE'S, THERE'S PLENTY TO SUGGEST THAT IF WE WANTED TO REQUIRE IT, WE COULD, I THINK THAT THERE'S A REALLY GOOD ARGUMENTS AGAINST THAT.
BUT, AND THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE POLICE POWER.
UM, AND IT'S JUST, IT'S KIND OF FASCINATING HOW IT'S ALL DEVELOPED OVER THE COLONIAL PERIOD WITH SMALLPOX AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
UM, AND, AND ON, INTO, UH, THERE WAS A SUPREME COURT CASE IN 1905 QUESTION, YOU KNOW, FOR US IS, IS CAN WE REALLY ESSENTIALLY DO THE OPPOSITE AND SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, NO, NO ENTITY WITHIN OUR LIMITS CAN, CAN, UH, REQUIRE THIS VACCINE AS A CONDITION OF EMPLOYMENT.
I'D BE LESS FAMILIAR WITH, WITH CASE LAW ON THAT POINT.
UM, BUT SO LIKE, WOULD IT LIKE UPS WANTED TO MANDATE THE VACCINE, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE SAYING, YOU KNOW, IF UPS OR IF IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S MY LAW OFFICE, CAN'T DO IT LIMITS.
WELL, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW.
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WE DON'T DO IT AT THE STORE, BUT IF WE WANTED TO DO IT, I'M NOT WANT TO ADD THIS.IT'S MY IT'S, IT'S MY BUSINESS, NOT YOURS.
THEY DON'T WANT TO WORK THERE AND THEN THEY CAN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND WORK.
I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT WHAT I'VE READ WITH THE EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY COMMISSION, BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT.
IF IT'S PRIVATE EMPLOYERS CAN REQUIRE VACCINATIONS, AS LONG AS THEY COMPLY WITH TAIWAN, FLAMING LAWS THAT PROHIBIT DISCRIMINATION ON THE BASIS OF RELIGION AND MY OWN HANDWRITING DISABILITY, WHICH COVERED THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITY ACT, THE REHABILITATION ACT, THE GENETIC INFORMATION NON-DISCRIMINATORY ACT TITLE SEVEN OF CIVIL RIGHTS ACT AS AMENDED TO INCLUDE THE PREGNANCY DISABILITY.
REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS CAN INCLUDE MASS SOCIAL DISTANCING, MODIFIED SHIFT PROVIDE, UM, HAVE MORE FREQUENT PERIODIC TESTS FOR COVID, UM, TELEWORK OPPORTUNITY OR ASSIGNMENT.
IT SAYS, UM, IF THEY'RE NOT ALLOWING THIS THERE AT SIX, IF ONLY THERE'S A DIRECT THREAT OR SIGNIFICANT RISK OF SUSTAINABLE HARM, THE EMPLOYER HAS TO PROVE THIS, WHICH IS A LENGTHY PROCESS, OR THEY WILL BE IN VIOLATION OF CURRENT DISABILITY, WALLS AND PROTECTIONS.
UM, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE THINGS THAT ARE NORMALLY COVERED FOR VACCINES ARE HERE.
AND THEN MY, MY CONCERN IS IF WE GO THROUGH AND WE SAY THAT AND SAY, MR. UPS WORKER IS LIKE, I'M JUST USING THE EXAMPLE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GIVE TO STUDENT UPS SAYS, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO THIS, OR YOU CAN'T WORK.
UM, THE NORMAL DAY SHIFT, YOU HAVE TO WORK AT NIGHT.
AND HE'S LIKE, OH, THEN I QUIT BECAUSE SUCH-AND-SUCH BECAUSE THE TOWN SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T MAKE ME DO THIS.
AND THEN, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, HE'S LOST HIS JOB.
SO NOW DID HE COME TO THE TOWN AND SAY, WELL, YOU GUYS PROMISED ME THAT I WAS PROTECTED OR YEAH.
AND THEN, AND THEN WE WORK IT OUT.
AND I MEAN, SIMILARLY THE DOC, UM, IN MANY CASES WE JUST GO AND THEY FIX THE PROBLEM RATHER THAN ASSIGN, UM, BY ABILITY IS JUST, OKAY, YOU FIRE THIS PERSON, YOU REALIZE YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
YOU HAVE TO REINSTATE THEM WITH BACK THEN.
AND SO WE, AS A TOWN WOULD COME IN AND SAY, OKAY, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
SO X, SO IT'S KIND OF A REDUNDANCY THEN IF IT'S ALREADY IN PLACE WHERE YOU CAN'T DO THESE THINGS AS OUTLINED IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND THEN WE FALL IN THAT DILLON ROLE, THEN WE GO UNDER, OKAY.
SO, AND I REALLY WOULD VALUE ALL THE, UM, INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO GO BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO MISS ANYTHING.
BUT THE THINGS THAT I'M MOST FAMILIAR WITH AND PEOPLE ARE MOST FAMILIAR WITH COLLOQUIALLY ARE THE, UM, RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS.
BUT IN THIS SITUATION, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S AN UNSERVED, POTENTIALLY UNSERVED POPULATION OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIKE PHILOSOPHICAL OBJECTIONS TO THIS ONE, JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE THE MECHANISM.
THEY DON'T, UH, THEY AREN'T COMFORTABLE WITH THE ADVERSE EVENTS, STATISTICS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND THEN IN SOME PEOPLE, UM, I THINK ARE ATTEMPTED TO PRETEND THAT THEY HAVE A RELIGIOUS OBJECTION, RIGHT? AND IT'S ALL STRONG PERSONAL BELIEFS IN THERE.
STRONG PERSONAL BELIEFS ARE ALSO INCLUDED WITH THAT RELIGIOUS THING, BUT AGAIN, WOULD, THEY WOULD FALL UNDER THEIR EMPLOYER AND GET REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION.
THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE I SEE IN THIS IS, UM, WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING, UH, TASHA IS IF YOU WERE TO GO TO WORK FOR AN EMPLOYER THAT HAS A LIST OF MANDATED VACCINES IN ORDER AS A CONDITION OF EMPLOYMENT, YOU KNOW, THAT WHEN YOU'RE SIGNING UP, WHAT WE'RE FACING NOW IS PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN IN JOBS, CAREERS, MAYBE 30 YEARS, AND NOW THEY'RE FACED WITH SOMETHING THAT THEY NEVER SIGNED UP FOR.
AND THEY'RE BEING FACED WITH TERMINATION OF EMPLOYMENT IF THEY DON'T GET IT.
AND I THINK THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHEN THEY HAD THIS JOB.
UM, SO, BUT AGAIN, I JUST, I GO BACK TO, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A BIG PART OF THAT.
SO THAT HAS TO BE FLUSHED OUT WITH WHETHER OR NOT THE TOWN ACTUALLY HAS THE AUTHORITY AND POWER TO DO THAT.
I DON'T, I'VE NEVER STARTED THE LAW OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
SO I DON'T KNOW, JUST AT FIRST BLUSH, IT SEEMS LIKE OUR MUNICIPALITY WOULD NOT HAVE THAT KIND OF POWER.
UM, YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY, I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING THAT WOULD PROHIBIT US FROM DOING THAT.
IF WE WANTED TO BAN MOPEDS OR, YOU KNOW, DOG WALKING OR SOMETHING, IT WOULD BE UNREASONABLE.
THERE'S, ISN'T THERE A LIST OF THEIR ORDINANCES THAT THEY HAVE A SENSE ANYMORE.
UM, YOU CAN FIND THEM THEY'RE THERE, IT'S ILLEGAL TO WALK ON SUNDAY ON YOUR HANDS AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
UM, AND SO I THINK THEY, IT'S JUST THE, THE LIMIT OF OUR ABILITY TO DO SO.
AND HOW OFTEN DO TOWNS TAKE THIS SORT OF STEP, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY
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RARELY COMPARED TO THE STATES.I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND ADD TO THE CONFUSION.
DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE WHEN PEOPLE ARE ALREADY CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE EVEN ALLOWED TO ASK THEIR EMPLOYER TO ACCOMMODATE THEM ON AND THEN THREW THIS IN THERE.
AND THEN I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO ADD INTO THE CHAOS.
I MEAN, IS THERE A CONSENSUS THAT WE HAVE SINCE THIS, TO MOVE THIS FORWARD? I MEAN, I DON'T, SO WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? LIKE, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS STILL SOME MORE INFORMATION THAT HAS TO BE HAD OR WHETHER OR NOT TO TELL ME THAT IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO IT, IS THERE A CONSENSUS ON EVEN TRYING TO DO IT? WELL, THERE'S TWO THINGS THERE'S WE COULD, WE COULD JUST TAKE THE LOWER HANGING FRUIT OR THE EASIER THING QUESTION TO ANSWER AND JUST DO A TOWN-WIDE.
I THINK WE'RE PRETTY CLEAR THAT WE'RE WITHIN OUR RIGHTS, WE CAN PUBLISH THE LANGUAGE OR WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO FOR AN ORDINANCE.
BRING IT UP AT THE NEAREST PER VOTE.
YOU MEAN FOR THE TOWN, THE TOWN EMPLOYEES AND EVERYTHING.
I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA DAILY TODAY, BUT THERE'S, UM, IN TEXAS HOSPITAL, THERE'S A LAWSUIT AND THEY'RE APPEALING IT.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING THOUGH, AT FIRST GLANCE, THIS FEDERAL JUDGE SAID BASICALLY KIND OF WHAT LATASHA WAS SAYING WAS THAT IF, IF THEY DON'T WANT TO WORK THERE, THAT THEY CAN GET A JOB SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I PERSONALLY THINK THAT IT'S HORRIBLE.
I'M LIKE JAKE, THEY'VE BEEN LIVING, WORKING THERE THAT LONG, BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS I'M NOT SURE WHERE THIS IS GOING TO GO, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S NOT FDA.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I WANTED IT TO BE CLEAR FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN THAT THEY'RE REDACTED.
AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN, I'M CALLING JAKE.
I MEAN, JUG, I DON'T, DO WE HAVE JURISDICTION EVER TELLING ANOTHER BUSINESS, BUT THEIR RULES COULD BE, I GET WEAKENED DECIDE WHAT THE TOWN EMPLOYEES RULES CAN EAT.
I'M ASSUMING THAT IT JUST SEEMS, WELL, ONE REASON I REALLY WANT TO LOOK AT IT FURTHER IS BECAUSE THERE IS A VIRGINIA STATUTE THAT SAYS THAT, UM, THE HEALTH STATE HEALTH COMMISSIONER CAN REQUIRE VACCINATIONS OF ALL PEOPLE.
AND THEN THERE'S FEDERAL LAW, WHICH SAYS THAT THERE'S THE GUN.
AND SO, UM, AND THERE'S A US SUPREME COURT CASE THAT SAYS THE ESTABLISHMENT PORTION OF STANDARDS HAVE GONE BACK WITHIN ITS BORDERS, RELEVANT AND HEALTH OF ITS PEOPLE.
IT'S A VITAL PART OF THE STATE'S POLICE POWER.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE, AS THE TOWN HAS THAT ARNIE, I THOUGHT ALL DUE RESPECT, I QUESTION STRONGLY WHETHER WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY AS A TOWN, UM, TO ENACT AN ORDINANCE LIKE THAT.
BECAUSE I, I, I QUESTIONED WHETHER I THINK THE STATE BO WALL PROMPTS ANYTHING, BUT IN THIS SUCH A STATUTE, IN THE ABSENCE OF, UH, EITHER A FEDERAL OR A STATE WIDE MANDATE, THEN I WOULD THINK WE'D BE FREE TO DO WHAT WE WANT THE STATE SPEAKS OR THE FED OR THE FED SPEAK.
AND IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN LIMIT THE NUMBER OF POT SHOPS THAT WE HAVE IN TOWN, I WOULD THINK THAT WE CAN, THAT ABILITY THOUGH, THEY GAVE YOU THAT THEY LOOK HOW THEY HAVE THAT POWER.
I WOULD LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO KNOW FIRST PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT WAIT, WE COULD GO FORWARD WITH THE TOWN, THE TOWN EMPLOYEE WIDE AND CONTINUE TO, UM, UH, WORK ON THE QUESTION OF THE OTHER ENTITIES WITHIN TOWN, IN FOR THE TOWN EMPLOYEE.
THERE'S A, WHAT WILL THAT THE EMPLOYEES DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE COVID SHOTS COURT.
I THINK WE, MY PERSONAL OPINION ON THAT IS WE GIVE THEM ALL THE BENEFITS, EVERYTHING THAT'S OUT THERE, ALL THE INFORMATION SHARING.
IF THERE ARE ANY AT ALL CONCERNED, OFFER THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO GET TO COVID SHOT.
UM, BUT NOT REQUIRING EITHER, BUT MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO GET IT.
JOYCE THEY'RE SHAMING IT, THEY GET IT.
IF THEY DON'T HURT FOR THEM TO REUSE IT, THEY DON'T WANT THAT.
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YOU GOT TO DO A RESOLUTION THAT WAY, THE RESOLUTION.
BUT FOR NOW WE CAN, IT'S NOT REAL HARD ANYWAY, BUT WHEN WE AMENDED THE PERSONNEL POLICY, BUT I'M WILLING TO DO HOWEVER COUNSELING, WHAT I DO KNOW THE GUIDANCE I'VE RECEIVED IS DON'T HAVE ANY OF OUR EMPLOYEES REQUIRED TO TAKE THE SHOT.
RIGHT? AND THEN, UH, NEXT UNDERSTATE IS WHEN WE REVISE AND COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE THE REVISED PERSONNEL MANUAL, IT'LL BE IN THERE.
THE STATE SAYS THAT THEY HAVE TO GET WHAT'S THAT, WELL, THE STATE TRUMPS US STATEWIDE, WE'D HAVE TO CHANGE WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SHOULDN'T THE GOVERNMENT HASN'T MILITARY HOUSING MANDATED IT, BUT PRIVATE BUSINESSES, PRIVATE BUSINESSES ARE GOING AFTER IT AND CRUISE LINES.
SO IT HASN'T FINISHED THE FDA TRIALS.
WELL, IF WE HAVE TO APPROVE A CHANGE IN THE POLICY MANUAL, WHAT'S THE HARM IN DOING THE, IN DOING THAT A RESOLUTION FOR THE COUNCIL.
YOU MEAN WEARING IT? NOT KNOWING IT'S JUST A RESOLUTION TO PUT CHANGE THE HANDBOOK.
YEAH, NO, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
WHY NOT JUST DO EVERYTHING WE CAN.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE THE TOWN EMPLOYEES.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE A MESS WITH LOOSE OTHER BUSINESSES.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE IN FAVOR DOING AN ORDINANCE? NO, NOT ME.
ANYBODY YOU'RE IN FAVOR DOING ORDINANCE.
SO WE'LL DO A RESOLUTION ON THE, UH, OR THE EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK.
YOU WENT BACK TO THE TALENT SIDE OF THINGS HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
NO, WELL THAT'S WHAT HE WAS AT.
WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO A RESOLUTION.
I WANT TO TAKE AN, UH, CHANGE, DO AN AMENDMENT TO THE EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK.
AND THERE'S NOBODY OF YOUR FAVOR DOING AN ORDINANCE OR THE OTHER JUST DECLARED CLARIFY.
WE'RE GOING TO DO A RESOLUTION AND A MINUTE OR JUST MEAT BRING FORWARD TO YOU ALL THE AMENDED PERSONNEL MANUAL THAT HAS IT IN THERE.
WHAT DO WE WANT THE RESOLUTION? WELL, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO THE RESOLUTION? IF YOU COULD CHANGE THE HANDBOOK THAT WHEN YOU'VE GOT APPROVAL ON A PIECE OF PAPER THAT, WHERE DID THIS COME FROM, WHERE IT COMES FROM.
WE'LL HAVE THAT FOR YOU ON THE 20TH.
UM, UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, AND I KNOW WE TALKED TO COUNCIL ABOUT THIS.
UM, THE, THE PROVINCIAL COMMITTEE ARE MOVING FORWARD.
UM, WE ARE EXPLORING DRUG COURTS AND VERY MANY DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF, OF A DRUG COURT.
AND, UH, I THINK ITSELF IS DEFINITELY NEEDED, UH, HERE IN OUR AREA, OUR COUNTY WE'RE GOOD.
WE HAD SOME PROGRESS AS FAR AS FAMILY COURTS WILL.
UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, NOTHING OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW ALL Y'ALL FEEL THE SAME WAY.
I'M TIRED OF PICKING UP THE NEWSPAPER AND SEEING SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON OR SOMEBODY, UM, YOU KNOW, LAUGHING PEOPLE LOVE.
IT'S REALLY NOT, YOU KNOW, HELP THESE PEOPLE.
A LOT OF OUR, THE SAME OFFENDERS.
UM, NO GAIL AND EMMA GET A CALL.
THEY'LL GO OUT ONE WEEKEND AND THEN NEXT WEEK, AND SOMETIMES EVEN ON THE SAME WEEKEND, THEY'RE RIGHT BACK AGAIN, UM, IN A DRUG COURT WOULD GO, IN MY OPINION, YOU KNOW, A LONG WAYS TO BE ABLE TO FIX THIS.
UM, IT SEEMS WE'VE GOT BY JUDGES HERE.
UH, UH, UH, SO EVERYTHING'S LOOKING PRETTY GOOD SO FAR, UM, IN THE PRICE TAG TOGETHER, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AFTER NOW, BECAUSE WE WANT
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TO SELL THEM HARD AND CONCRETE.WE CAN COME TO BOTH THOSE BOARDS AND SAY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE DO HAVE A REAL NEED.
UM, A LOT OF YOU MAY KNOW HOW A DRUG COURT, THEY GOT TO BE ACCEPTED TO THIS PROGRAM AND IT IT'S QUITE INTENSIVE.
UM, THEY SAY 24 TO 30 MONTHS FOR PEOPLE GRADUATE AND THEIR SETBACKS AND THERE'S REWARDS DRUG TESTS AND ATTABOYS WHEN THEY DO GOOD.
UM, SO, UM, ANOTHER BIG NEED THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE FAST.
AND THEN THAT WAS WHAT I WAS THINKING.
WHAT THE CAL HALL, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
WE NEED A BUILDING, UM, HERE, UM, NOT REALLY SO MUCH OF A HALFWAY HOUSE, BUT SOMEPLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO AND LET'S FACE IT.
A LOT OF THEM, THEY GOT NO WHERE TO GO TO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S AT HOME OR BACK WITH FRIENDS THAT ARE STILL DOING, PUTTING THEM RIGHT BACK HERE, THE SAME SITUATION.
SO, UM, WE'RE GETTING SOME THINGS TOGETHER.
AND AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO
WHO'S GRADUATED TO GO TO DRUG COURT AND SHE'S GONE BACK AND ACTUALLY SPEAK TO THEM.
BUT THE, THE GRADUATING CLASS LAST WEEK, I THINK A PERSONAL STORY.
AND YOU CAN HEAR HER STORY AND THEN, YOU KNOW HOW I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S LOOKING LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE MODELED AFTER FREDERICK COUNTY.
WE'RE STILL DOING RESEARCH FOR PAIGE COUNTY.
ANYBODY ELSE? GO AHEAD AND READ IT.
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