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ALL RIGHT.[Board of Architectural Review on April 13, 2021.]
ORDER THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, MEANING OR TUESDAY, APRIL 13TH, 2021.THERE ARE THREE A MINUTE IN OUR PACKAGES FOR THIS MEETING TO BE APPROVED DECEMBER 8TH, JANUARY 28TH AND MARCH NIGHT.
DO WE NEED TO APPROVE THOSE SEPARATELY OR CAN WE JUST, YOU CAN DO THEM ALL UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS CORRECTIONS.
WHAT I MEANT TO SAY IS YOU CAN DO THEM ALL AT ONCE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE ONLY A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL IN FAVOR.
SO NEW BUSINESS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, THE BATHROOM JENSEN, AGAIN, AS FAR AS, I MEAN WATER STREET'S MAYBE THE LAST THING, BUT NOT SURE.
DO YOU WANT TO COME TO THE TABLE? THAT'S OKAY.
SO THE MEMORANDUM MS. JEREMY QUICKLY, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT ON THE AGENDA I MADE A TYPO, UH, THE, I WANT TO MAKE A CORRECTION TO THE CASE NUMBER SHOULD ACTUALLY BE TWO SIX ZERO NINE DASH 2021.
SO JUST TO NOTE ON THE AGENDA, WE'LL UPDATE THAT.
AND FOR THE MEMORANDUM SIMILAR FORMAT AS LAST TIME, UH, MR. JANSEN HAS THE INITIAL POOL FROM YOU ALL FROM MARCH 10TH OF LAST YEAR, 2020, AND MR. JOHNSON DID HIS FIRST AMENDMENT REQUEST TO THAT INITIAL POA.
DURING LAST MONTH'S MEETING ON MARCH 9TH, UH, YOU ALL APPROVED FIVE AMENDMENTS AND ONE AMENDMENT FOR, UH, OFFENSE WAS APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY, UH, BY MYSELF.
AND SO HOW MR. JANSEN IS SEEKING A SECOND SET OF AMENDMENTS FOR A TOTAL OF NINE AMENDMENTS.
AND I'VE LISTED THAT I WAS OUT IN ORDER AND WE WENT BY THE ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING.
AND SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A NINE AMENDMENTS PER APPLICATION, FRC (082) 609-2021.
UM, MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE, WE COVER EACH ELEVATION AND WE MOTION ON EACH, UH, AMENDMENT IN ORDER AND THEN MOVE TO THE NEXT ELEVATION.
AND SO, UM, AS YOU SAW IN D FIND THAT MR. SEBASTIAN PROVIDED, HE ALSO WENT IN THAT SIMILAR FORMAT.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS, IS UP FOR, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ON THE FRONT ELEVATION TWO ZONES.
SO THIS, OKAY, SO WE'RE STARTING WITH THE FRONT END HAND, UM, RAPID WOULDN'T CHAIRMAN OF THE DIAMOND WINDOW WITH ALUMINUM CLADDING.
I REMEMBER I APPLICATIONS HAVE KEEPING THIS WINDOW WAS A PRIORITY.
THE SHAPE IS THERE, BUT THERE IS NO, I DON'T THINK, I THINK ON THE BACK WHEN THERE IS A PARTIAL WINDOW, I DON'T THINK, OR ACTUALLY IT'S A
SO ACTUALLY BOTH WINDOWS HAVE BEEN ON THOSE DIAMONDS OR ARE YOU PLANNING ON FILLING THEM WITH ANYTHING GLASS AND THEN PACKING? YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE WOOD TRIM, JUST TALKING ABOUT THE WOOD TRIM.
SINCE I BELIEVE IT'LL HIT, IT'S JUST FULLY EXPOSED TO THE ELEMENTS, UM, WAS PRIMARILY OR BARELY WHAT WAS GOING TO BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE THAT'S, RIGHT? YEAH.
I WAS ACTUALLY PROBABLY GOING TO GO WITH SOME OF THOSE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE FRONT WINDOWS.
SO THAT WAY, I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
IF YOU THINK OF A WASTE PRODUCT, LIKE MAKING FURNITURE FOR AN EXTERIOR,
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WHAT'S THIS WEDNESDAY THING? UH, WELL, WE WERE JUST EXPERTS, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO GET OFF TOPIC.WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AFTER THE MEETING.
I GUESS THERE'S NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
SO IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, I KNOW WE APPROVED WRAPPING WINDOWS ON THE SIDES, I BELIEVE IN THE REAR.
AND THEN WE'RE LIKE PRESERVED THE FRONT, BUT NOW THIS ONE'S ON THE FRONT, BUT IT'S WELL, THE LEAD WAS GONE THERE'S IN TERMS OF THAT.
SO THE TWO FRONT WINDOWS WOULD BE PRESERVED AS, UM, AS THEY ARE THEY'RE UNDER ROOF, UNDER THE ROOF.
AND THIS ONE'S ABOVE THE ROOF AND I WAS THINKING FROM A VISIBILITY WE'VE APPROVED.
ONCE YOU HAVE THE BAG, I DON'T SEE WHY WE SHOULDN'T, IT'S FOLLOWING THE SAME LOGIC THAT WE, WE USE TO APPROVE THE OTHER ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE EYE LEVEL WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING THE REPLAY MATERIAL AND IT DOES HAVE THE ELEMENT EXPOSURE FOR LONGEVITY.
I THINK, YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH HOW I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT.
AND THEN THE NEXT ITEM ON THE FRONT ELEVATION WAS TO REMOVE THE VITAL ON THE SIDE OF THE EXISTING ADDITION AND REPLACE A STUCCO.
IT'S NOT EVEN PART OF THIS BUILDING.
IT WASN'T SURE IS THAT I'M ASSUMING IT'LL CHANGE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND WE DO DISCUSS IT.
THAT WAS NOT HIS DORIC MATERIAL, YOUR VINYL.
SO WE COULD JUST VERY EASILY APPROVE.
SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ELEVATION? I ADMITTED DON'T THINK IT'S ALL ON THE FRONT STAIRS.
THAT'S THE LEFT, TRYING TO FOLLOW OUR OUTLINE HERE TO KEEP US IN ORDER.
OH, SO YOU'RE KEEPING THE WOODEN STAIRS IN THE FRONT.
THAT'S THAT'S THE GOAL RIGHT NOW.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT AT THE QUEBEC ELEVATION AMENDMENT.
LET'S LOOK AT THE LEFT ELEVATION REPLACED FOR EXISTING VINYL WINDOWS WITH WOULDN'T HAVE PREY AND WINDOWS WITH WOODEN TREMOR WRAPPED IN ALUMINUM CLADDING.
THERE'S EXISTING VINYL WINDOWS THERE THAT ARE NOT AS DORK AND REPLACING THEM WOULD GET THEM IN LINE WITH WHAT HE'S DOING WITH THE BUILDING WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED FOR NOW.
WE'VE WORKED ON THE FRONT AND THE BACK DOWN THE LAST MEETING WHEN WE LEFT OUT THE SIDE, BECAUSE IT WAS OKAY.
I THOUGHT WE APPROVED THE SIDES IN THE BACK ALTOGETHER.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH IT? WHERE THE STEPS ARE? YEAH, SO THAT'S THE LESS ELISHA.
SO THERE IS, UM, I WOULD PREFER TO KEEP THEM, BUT MY NEIGHBORS ASKED ME TO REMOVE THEM.
YOU HAD MENTIONED, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO BLOCK OFF THAT ENTRANCEWAY.
THAT DOORWAY IS, UH, A CEMENT LITTLE STEP COMING DOWN OFF OF IT THAT WOULD THEORETICALLY BE AVAILABLE, A FIRE EXIT THAT WAY.
UM, AND THE COUNTY MIGHT, I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T REACHED OUT TO THEM SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS ISSUE, BUT I'M AFRAID I WAS AFRAID.
IT WAS MENTIONING THAT THEY MIGHT REQUIRE ME TO KEEP IT, WHICH IN WHICH CASE I WOULD PREFER.
BUT I DO SEE THOSE LITTLE COMPANIES.
ANYWAYS, IT'S MORE OF A BUILDING CODE.
SO I GUESS I'M ASKING TO HAVE THE STAIRS REMOVED TO SEE IF I CAN GET IT REMOVED FROM A CODE BUILDING CODE PERSPECTIVE.
JUST DO I CAN'T MAKE A DECISION.
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THE WOODEN STAIRS, WOULDN'T BE OUR PURVIEW.BUT IF, WELL, WHATEVER REASON YOUR NEIGHBORS WANT THOSE STAIRS REMOVED AND YOU HAVE TO KEEP THEM AND YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE LOOK OR REWORK THEM.
SO I DON'T NEED TO REQUEST DEMOING THE STAIRS.
YOU CAN CONDITIONALLY APPROVE BASED OFF WHAT THE COUNTY WOULD SAY.
I MEAN, THAT WAY HE DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK FIFTH TIME OR SOMETHING.
THEN WOULD WE HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THEM BEING REMOVED? CORRECT.
THERE WOULD STILL BE THOSE THREE STEPS COMING DOWN FROM THE CONCRETE.
I MEAN, HE DIDN'T ASK ME TO RUIN THOSE, BUT THAT MIGHT COME DOWN ASSUMING THAT THOSE CONCRETE STEPS ARE ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING AND THESE WOODEN ONES WERE ADDED AT SOME POINT LATER ON.
OR DO YOU THINK THAT IT WOULDN'T ONE'S ORIGINAL.
AND I REMEMBER THIS MILL WAS PURCHASED BY WHO'S IT NOW THE RESTAURANT TO LAND HAD THE MILL THERE AND SHE HAD IT THROUGH STAIRS.
SO LATE EIGHTIES, EARLY NINETIES, SHE HAD HER OFFICE BACK THERE.
NOT VERY OLD CONCRETE ONES UNDERNEATH THE CREEK OR THE RIVER NOW.
YEAH, THOSE WERE THE TWO ITEMS ON THE LEFT.
SO ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO EITHER OF THESE AMENDMENTS? ALL RIGHT.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE LEFT ELEVATION AS SUBMITTED ALL, ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BACK ELEVATION.
THERE IS ANOTHER DIAMOND WINDOW.
UM, I DON'T SEE WHY WE COULDN'T HAVE THAT MATCH THE FRONT, UM, REPLACED ONE DWAN EXISTING ADDITION WITH WOODEN DOOR, WITH NAUGHTY PANE, GLASS LIGHT.
I CAN'T EVEN HARDLY TELL HIM THAT.
THAT'S THE ADDITION AGAIN? LIKE, DOES IT HAVE THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE REST OF THE BUILDING? RIGHT.
ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT? OF COURSE.
IN THEORY, SINCE THERE WAS A WOODEN DOOR THERE BEFORE, JUST SO EXPRESSES A LITTLE BIT.
COULD I JUST ADMINISTRATIVELY HAD IT CHANGED SINCE IT'S MATERIAL FOR MATERIAL OR BECAUSE THERE'S A STYLISTIC NOTICE, THERE'S A TWO PANE AND THIS IS A WINDOW.
IF IT WAS WOOD FOR WOOD, SAME STYLE, IT WOULD BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY IF IT'S WORD FOR WORD.
AND THERE'S A STANDARD CHANGE OF STYLE TOO, YOU KNOW, THE WOODEN PANES ON THE DOOR ITSELF OR THE LIGHTS THAT'S WHEN I WOULD DEFER THAT OVER TO THE BOARD FOR THAT CONSIDERATION.
BECAUSE AT THAT POINT IT BECOMES MORE OF A COMPATIBLE WITH HISTORIC DISTRICT SUBJECTIVITY, AS OPPOSED TO LOOK FOR WHAT APPROVAL.
THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE ONE YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN THE RIGHT, RIGHT.
AND NOW WE HAVE REMOVED VINYL SIDING ON EXISTING ADDITION, SO, OKAY.
SO THIS IS SIMILAR, RIGHT? OKAY.
SO THE NEW ITEM FOR THE BACK ELEVATION IS THE DOOR.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE DOOR? ALL RIGHT.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT? THAT ELEVATION
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SECOND.THE BACK ELEVATION IS NOW APPROVED AT THE COMMITTED.
ADD TWO DOUBLE HUNG VINYL WINDOWS TO THE SIDE OF THE EXISTING ADMISSION.
ANY OTHER INFORMATION ON THE STYLE OF THE WINDOW? THERE IS NO WINDOWS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RIGHT.
ADDING THE TWO DOUBLE HUNG VINYL.
SO I WAS PLANNING ON USING THE WINDOWS THAT WERE ON THE LEFT ELEVATION TO THOSE WINDOWS TO USE IT ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION SINCE IT'S A NON HISTORIC BUILDING AND IT'S VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD.
SO IT JUST SAVED ME 300 BUCKS.
SO THERE'S THE FRAMINGS ARE THERE.
UM, AND THERE'S SOME REMNANTS OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS THAT WERE IN THERE, BUT THEY'RE THERE.
THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED OR NOT.
I THINK THIS GOES ALONG WITH THE RENOVATE FIRST EDITION.
YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM ANYWHERE UNLESS YOU WALKED BACK THERE.
I LOOKED INTO THE RIGHT ELEVATION OR, OR IS THE PATIO PART OF THE RIGHT ELEVATION? NO, TECHNICALLY THE PATIO WAS PART OF THE FRONT, BUT THAT'S SEPARATE FOR A SECOND.
MOTION TO APPROVE THE RIGHT ELEVATION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION ALL IN FAVOR.
ELEVATION IS APPROVED AS ADMITTED PATIO REQUEST, ENCLOSED PROPOSED 56 FOOT WIDE BY 20 FEET.
CURIOUS, UH, THE PLAN RIGHT NOW IS TO CONTINUE THE CONCRETE AND CONCRETE.
SO YEAH, ACTUALLY THAT, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WAS GOOD TO GO ON THAT.
THE LAST AMENDMENT REQUEST APPROVED FOR GLASS DOOR, WE WANTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
SO YOU'VE GOT THIS MODEL FROM OVERHEAD DOOR.
I THINK THE QUESTION OF REQUEST WAS ASK FOR A SPECIFIC MODEL OR SEEMED LIKE AN APPEALING DOOR TO THE OFFER.
SO THAT'S CALLED A ONE COLUMNS IN BETWEEN THESE DOORS.
YOU GOT FIVE GOING ACROSS THE FRONT.
WHAT DO YOU DO IN THE COLUMNS OUT OF, UH, THE COMMENTS WOULD BE JUST WITH DEANS SPACE.
SO THERE'LL BE NINE FEET WIDE, NOT SEVEN FEET TALL, SORRY.
SEVEN, SIX TALL BY NINE FEET WIDE.
BUT YEAH, WE'RE JUST CONCERNED.
I MEAN, WHEN THEY'RE CLOSED, THAT'S BEEN DRAMATICALLY CHANGED THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING.
IF WE ARE EXPECTING THEM TO BE OPEN THE VAST MAJORITY OF YOUR TIME, YOU STILL SEE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THE WORK I USED TO WALK THROUGH PRESERVING THE SIDE.
SO IT WOULD BASICALLY BE AN EXTENSION, ALMOST LIKE AN EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING COVERED PORCH, BRINGING THAT OUT AN ADDITIONAL 15 FEET.
SO I THINK THAT THE CURRENT PORCH IS FIVE FEET.
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OUT A, AN EXTRA 15 FEET, THE ROOF OVERHANG, OR A 20 FOOT DEEP PATIO, IF IT WERE TO BE OPEN.SO HE WANTS TO EXTEND THAT ROOF LINE 15 FEET AND THEN ENCLOSE IT AND THEN REMOVE THE STAIRS AT THE CENTER OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AS YOU WOULD ANSWER.
SO YOUR TWO ENTRANCES WOULD BE, WELL, YOU WOULD JUST HAVE, YEAH.
THE INTEREST IS WITH STAY THE SAME, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT IN THE INITIAL MODEL THAT I PROPOSE LAST TIME, THERE WOULD BE SOME STAIRS BASED ON THAT CONVERSATION, THERE WAS CARD CONCERNS ABOUT IT.
THAT MODEL DID ASSUME THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOME PERMANENT WALLS OR THESE MINI WALLS.
THE BASED ON THAT CONVERSATION, I JUST CHANGED IT A BIT.
SO THAT, THAT WAY IT COULD BE EXPOSED.
AND SO I THINK THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED IT WAS IN CLOSING THE EXISTING PORT.
THIS IS NOW TALKING ABOUT, YOU'D HAVE TO TAKE THAT WHOLE PORCH OFF AND REWORK IT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT LAST TIME.
I REMEMBER HER, WE WERE EXTENDING THE ROOF LINE OUT.
THAT WAS PART OF THE PREVIOUS PLAN.
UM, AND THEN WRAPPING IT WITH THE DOORS.
THIS IS CORRECT, BUT IT WAS STABLE DUE TO THE LACK OF DETAIL ON THE DOOR AND DIMENSION NUMBER OF DOORS.
IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S GOING TO LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT FOR SURE.
ENVISIONING IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, DOORS IN PLACE AND ALL THE ORIGINAL WAS STILL GOING TO BE THERE.
THIS WAS JUST GOING TO BE TUCKED IN BETWEEN EXISTING ELEMENTS.
THIS IS A WHOLE, WHOLE NEW PORCH.
UM, WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE PORCH? HAS IT BEEN REWORKED OVER THE YEARS? IT'S LIKE A CONCRETE LOADING DOCK.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT PEOPLE GOING BACK IN TRUCKS INTO IT FOR SIX YEARS.
AND IF I MAY, MR. SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT ON YOUR ORIGINAL SUBMISSION FROM MARCH 10TH OF 2020, OR PART OF THE SITE PLAN, RATHER, IT WAS THAT, SO THAT YOU HAD THE EXISTING FIVE FOOT PORCH WITH OVERHANG WITH THE LOADING DOCK, AND THEN YOU WERE JUST GOING TO ADD 15 FEET OF CONCRETE PATIO, RIGHT.
THAT'S HOW YOU TALKING TO THE PATIO.
SO JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR, RIGHT? IT'S UH, IT'S THE FIVE FOOT PORCH WITH OVERHANG LOADING DOCK ELEVATED OFF THE GROUND ABOUT THREE, THREE AND A HALF FEET.
MAYBE EVEN FOUR EXTEND THAT ROOF LINE BY 15 FEET AS THE PORCH.
BUT INSTEAD OF YOUR TYPICAL WOULDN'T BEING POSED, YOU WOULD HAVE TINY GLASS DOORS.
RIGHT? CAUSE THIS THING WITH THE STYLE THAT IS SHOWN HERE, THREE COLUMNS WIDE OR ROWS TALL, THE MOST DRAMATIC, I THINK, EFFECT THAT THE CHANGE WILL HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, THAT IF YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FROM THE FRONT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE MORE LIKE A TWO DIMENSIONAL PERSPECTIVE AS YOU'RE DRIVING BY FROM THE FRONT.
SO IN SOME SENSE, IT WON'T BE THAT DRAMATIC.
SO IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE SAME DESIGN THAT OF EXISTS, BUT IT'S JUST REALLY QUESTIONING THE EXTENSION IS IT'S COMING FORWARD TOWARD YOU FROM THE FRONT PERSPECTIVE AND THEN PUTTING THAT FACADE 20 FEET IN A SHADOW ESSENTIALLY NOW.
AND JUST ANOTHER NOTE I SHOULD ADD JUST, JUST FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH YOU ALL CONSIDERED, UH, PER SEBASTIAN'S LAST AMENDMENT FROM, FROM MARCH 9TH OF 2021.
UM, HE WAS APPROVED FOR, IT WAS THE THREE FRONT DOORS, RIGHT? THE THREE FRONT DOORS.
THEY WERE WOOD THROUGH PACE WITH WHAT BASICALLY WHAT IS SHOWN ON BACK ELEVATION REQUEST.
NUMBER TWO, YOU HAD APPROVED FOR TWO WOODEN DOORS WITH THAT SIMILAR NIGHTLIFE PATTERN AND THEN THE FRONT DOOR.
WELL, UM, SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER YOU ALL APPROVED IT.
UM, SO SOME OF THAT WORK WOULD BE COVERED OR AT LEAST WHILE IT'S ALREADY KIND OF APPROVED, I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK ON IT NOW.
IT'S LIKE, OKAY, I DON'T KNOW HOW I MISSED THE PART ABOUT THE ROOF.
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AGO.I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST A PATIO THAT THAT'S WHERE I'M PUTTING MY PIECES TOGETHER.
AND I KNEW THERE WAS A PATIO AND I KNEW WE WERE IN CLOSING, BUT THAT, THAT ROOF EXTENSION.
THESE DOORS, I GUESS IN THEORY, WOULD PROTECT YOUR LIVER, LITERALLY EXTENDING IT STRAIGHT OUT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO RAISE IT UP TO ANY, TO GET THAT, TO GET THE FALL THAT YOU NEED.
THAT'S MOST OF THE CURRENT PLAN, WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND THAT ROUTE RIGHT INTO THE EXISTING LEDGER AND COME OUT AT THE SAME SLOPE ESSENTIALLY.
YOU'VE GOT, YOU SAID ABOUT THREE FOOT DROP ON THE LOADING DOCK.
SO YEAH, FROM A FRONT PERSPECTIVE, THEY'RE IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK ALL THAT DIFFERENT.
YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF HEADROOM.
20 FEET JUST SOUNDS SO I'M COUNTING CEILING TILES AND I'M LIKE, HOW BIG IS 20 THIS LINE HERE? THIS DASH LINE IS THAT KIND OF REPRESENTING THE NEW LEADING EDGE OF THE ROOF COVER DOWN TO HERE? MAYBE MY GOAL WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WINDOWS STILL REMAIN EXPOSED TO THE OKAY.
THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO NOTE THAT FOR THE ENGINEER, YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? IF THIS ROOF LINE COMES DOWN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS DASH LINE IS.
I JUST ASSUMED THAT IT WOULD, HE'S LEADING INTO THE ROOM.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT FACE AND HE EXTENDS THIS ROOF OUT.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO COME DOWN FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE.
SO THIS DASH LINE MAY BE THE NEW LEADING EDGE.
SO WE WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE DOORS AND A GOOD PORTION OF THE WINDOWS PROVIDED THAT THE GARAGE DOORS ARE OPEN AND YOU'RE RIGHT.
AND RIGHT NOW THEY'RE UNDER OUR ROOF.
NOW IT'S JUST CALLING OUT THE WINDOW.
THEY SHOULD HAVE CALLED OUT WHAT THESE TWO LINES WERE.
BUT MAYBE WE CAN GET ANOTHER DRAWING OR UPDATED DRAWINGS.
I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I'M NOT ALONE SO MANY AT THIS POINT, IF THERE'S ANY COMFORT, I WOULDN'T HAVE BOUGHT THE BUILDING IF YOU HADN'T GIVEN ME THAT PERMISSION LAST YEAR, BUT THE COMFORT OR NOT THAT MAYBE YOU DIDN'T WANT ME TO DO IT.
SO, SO, UM, I'M STRUGGLING JUST WITH A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE BECAUSE, UM, AT THE END I THINK THE BUILDING WILL LOOK GOOD AND IT WILL BE USEFUL.
AND IT WILL BE A GOOD ADDITION TO THE DOWNTOWN, THE MAIN STREET.
LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S ALL THESE VERY GOOD REASONS TO IMPROVE IT.
BUT THEN THE NEXT PERSON WHO COMES IN AND SAYS, WELL, I WANT TO TAKE MY QUARTZ OUT 20 MORE FEET.
WE'RE GOING TO SET A PRECEDENT WITH, WITH THIS.
AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY IT VERY CLEARLY, WHY THIS PORCH IS BEING APPROVED AND WHY THE NEXT ONE MAY NOT BE APPROVED.
AND IF IT'S BECAUSE THE FRONT OF THIS BUILDING IS A WAREHOUSE, IT IS THE LOADING DOCK.
YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE DETAIL THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE ME ON A VICTORIAN PORCH SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WE JUST HAVE TO BE VERY CLEAR WHY WE CAN'T APPROVE THIS AND JUST HAVE SOME KIND OF GUIDELINES.
AND I, I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT BE OUR REASONING THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WAREHOUSE THE OTHER, YEAH.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S LIKE AN ITALIANATE STYLE BUILDING THAT HAS A LOT OF CHARACTER.
UM, AND IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY IN IMPROVING THE BUILDINGS AROUND IT.
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IT'S NOT DETRIMENT TO IT.WE'RE NOT LOSING ANYTHING WITH THIS.
I THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY HOW I COULD APPROVE IT.
I THINK WE'RE TOO FAR GONE AND NOT TOO FAR DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE APPROVING IT.
SO WE HAVE A LITTLE SET TO APPROVE THE HATTIE, NO SUBMISSION, WELL, WHAT ARE WE GETTING TO THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET TOWN PERTAINS THAT UTILITY WALL.
SO YOU ALREADY GOT, YOU'VE HEARD IT.
THEY'RE GOING TO RIP THAT WHOLE OUT AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IT TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND PLUS IT WOULD BE IN THE WAY THAT WOULD BE IN A WAY THAT HERE'S THE QUESTION THAT WHEN WE REMOVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THEM WIRES THAT ARE JUST DANGLING ACROSS THE LEAF.
THAT'S THE BENEFIT TO EVERYONE.
I WAS EVEN TALKING TO THE UTILITY.
HE'S SAYING TO MAYBE POTENTIALLY PUT SOME LIGHTS TO KIND OF ELIMINATE THE PLACE.
THAT'S A LITTLE MORE OF A PLACE.
IT HAS MORE TO LOOK AT IN THE EVENING.
SO THAT ALSO MORE SECURITY LEVEL ON THAT POINT.
SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT NICK SHARED THAT THERE'S THE PORTRAIT HAD THE STABILITY TO A STAND THAT THE WIRES TO NICE.
YOUR PATIO IS OFFICIALLY APPROVED.
WELL, I REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL ENTERTAIN ME THREE TIMES NOW.
THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS SPECIAL MEETING.
HOW, HOW WAS THE BACK AND FORTH WITH THE BLOCK GRANT? IS THAT IT'S ALL SETTLED FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AT THIS POINT.
SO I JUST NEED TO FULFILL THE CRITERIA.
SO THAT WAS HUGE CONTRIBUTIONS.
AND THEN, UH, JUST RUNNING THROUGH, BACK AND FORTH WITH THE COUNTY AND JUST UNCODE I THINK I'M ALMOST THERE.
WE'RE HOPING TO SEND PERMANENT.
I HOPE TO BE DONE IN SEVEN MONTHS.
SO, I MEAN, I DIDN'T THINK IN MONTHS, UH, I DON'T KNOW.
THERE'S BEEN WHEN, UM, JEREMY WAS HERE, HE HAD HELPED ME DO ALL THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THEN THIS NEGOTIATION.
SO THAT, THAT ONLY TOOK THREE AND A HALF YEARS TO NEGOTIATE THAT BECAUSE THE FEDERAL SAID YOU NEED TO IMPROVE THE STRUCTURE TO MAKE IT FLOOD PLAIN.
AND THEN THE STATE WAS SAYING NO, AND SO NOBODY WAS TAKING LIABILITY.
SO IT WAS JUST BACK AND FORTH.
SO IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO REALIZE THAT FINALLY, FINALLY, SOMEONE THAT I THINK IN DHR OR I CAN'T REMEMBER THE HISTORY OF THE STATE TOOK ON THAT, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE CAN DO.
SO I'M VERY EXCITED TO SEE, YOU KNOW, A BUILDING BEING USED FOR, YOU KNOW YEAH.
SO AS SOON AS I GET SOME PERMITS APPROVED, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET CRACKING.
UNLESS THERE'S ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR ME? NOPE.
I HAVE A GREAT EVENING AND ENJOY YOUR WEEKEND PLASTIC EATING TODAY.
UH, YOU ALL SHOULD BE FAMILIAR THAT MR. TIMOTHY WILSON RESIGNED WITH TOWN OF FARMER WALL.
SO THE PLANNING DIRECTOR POSITION IS VACANT AND OPEN IN THE INTERIM.
MR. CHRIS BROCK WILL, WILL BE GUIDING US, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE BAR? AND THE APPROACH WAS JUST TO BE PATIENT WITH US WHILE WE WORKED THIS OUT, BUT WE'RE STILL SHORT STAFFED
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TRYING TO GET WE'RE TRYING TO PULL DARYL BAG.THAT'S A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.
SOME PARTS WERE COPIED FROM OTHER AREAS.
WHAT'S THE REALM TO MODIFY IT.
HOW DO WE DO THAT? WE WOULD HAVE TO REQUEST THE TOWN COUNCIL, DO IT.
WE WOULDN'T LEAD ME TO LOOK AT IT.
AND THEN TOWN COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT IT, CORRECT.
SO I CAN MAKE AMENDMENTS TO THIS OR PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THIS AND WE PRESENT THEM TO YOU FOR APPROVAL.
WE SH WELL, I WOULDN'T APPROVE THEM.
IF ANYTHING, WE, I'M NOT SURE IF THE, THE EXECUTIVE PROCESS I CAN GET THAT.
I CAN LOOK INTO THAT WITH THE
SOME CHANGES, SOME WORDING, THERE'S SOME CHANGES THAT COULD BE MADE THAT COULD MAKE THINGS A LITTLE MORE CLEAR FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS COULD HELP US HELP THEM UP THE BUILDINGS.
AND THAT'S A CLEARER VERSION OF THE ONE THAT WAS BEFORE IT IN 2013.
MAYBE IT'S TIME TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENT.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE SOME CHANGES AND WE CAN ALL GO THROUGH AND MARK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
YOUR SCHEDULE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A MEETING NEXT MONTH, FOR WHATEVER REASON YOU SCHEDULE A WORK SESSION OR SOMETHING.
I THINK WE'VE HAD THEM MEETING EVERY MONTH.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER SCHEDULED WORK SESSION.
PART TWO, THE REGULAR MEETING OR BEFORE OR AFTER.
IF I DO COME UP WITH SOME DRAFT NOTES, I CAN SEND THEM TO YOU GUYS TO REVIEW BEFOREHAND.
I LIKE TO LOOK INTO THE PROCESS.
WHAT DID IT, HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS.
AND FOR THAT, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET IT DONE THE RIGHT PATH.
JUST LIKE THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT THAT THE COUNCIL IS WANTING THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO START DOING.
SO IT'S, I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT DOING AN AMENDMENT TO THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT GUIDELINES.
SO WHAT CAN RESEARCH AND FIND OUT THE SAUSAGES, SEND THEM TO ALFREDO OR MYSELF, AND THEN WE CAN SEND THEM OUT.
YOU SEND IT RIGHT TO THE, AND I MEAN, WORST CASE, I MEAN, Y'ALL HAD A BOX.
I MEAN, DO THEY ALL HAVE BOXES THAT WAY? AND HE ADDS IT.
WE HAVE DEANS, WE DO HAVE TEAMS, BUT BOXES IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
YOU CAN PUT A LARGE AMOUNT OF DOCUMENTS IN THERE AND ANY CHANGES MADE IT, TRACKS CHANGES THAT WAY YOU DO SOMETHING SHE'LL KNOW YOU DID IT.
OR IS IT JUST LIKE YOU JUST TRIED TO DOWNLOAD UPLOAD? GOTCHA.
WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT PROCESS AND SEE WHAT THE ROUTE WOULD BE.
AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
CAUSE WHEN WE BREED, DID THAT DOCUMENT, THE POINT WE WERE TRYING TO CONVEY WITH THIS ONE, IT WAS STILL KEEPING IT SHORT, EASY TO UNDERSTAND.
AND WE PULLED THE GUIDELINES FROM STRAUSBERG.
SOMEONE ELSE, WINCHESTER IT'S TAMPA.
STANTON HAD A GOOD ONE, BUT THEY HAD LIKE MASSIVE LIKE GUIDEBOOKS.
AND AT THAT POINT WE WERE JUST LIKE, WE'RE NOT GUIDEBOOK READY.
I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAND OUT TO ANY NEW PROPERTY OWNERS HERE AT THAT POINT WE START LOOKING AT IS THE APPLICATION USER-FRIENDLY TOO.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN OVERHAUL HERE.
SO YEAH, AT THE TIME I WOULD SAY IT COULD BE IN A TIME TO REVIEW IT AGAIN AND REVISE IN A WAY.
SO WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT PROPOSING SOME TYPE OF LIKE, WE DO A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT TO GET IT TO WHERE THIS BOARD HAS MORE TEETH SO THAT WHAT WE APPROVED, LIKE THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY SECOND POINT.
IT WAS LIKE, WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ALL DAY LONG, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YEAH, IF IT GOES BEFORE COUNCIL LIKE TOWN COUNCIL, THEY WOULD EITHER APPROVE IT OR DENY IT.
BUT I MEAN, AT LEAST WE WOULD GET TO SPEAK TO THEM.
ON THE PEOPLE APPROVING THE PERMIT, RIGHT? I'M NOT A COMPLIANCE TO WHAT WE SAY IT IS IN WARRENTON.
I MEAN, WHAT THE VA OR THE ARB THEY'RE DETERMINED.
THEY WON'T GET THEIR PERMITS IF THEY DON'T COMPLY.
SO THERE'D BE NO, YOU KNOW, MOLAR, WINDOWS, YOU ALL, YOU ALL CAN MAKE INCLUDE IN YOUR MOTION THAT ONCE THESE HAVE BEEN DONE, THEY HAVE TO CALL
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STAFF TO GO OUT AND DO AN INSPECTION.AND THAT WAY WE HAD CAUGHT THOSE WINDOWS THAT THEY DID THE ROLL SIZE THERE ON PROSPECT.
I GET MAD EVERY TIME I SEE THAT HOUSE WITH THOSE WINDOWS.
YOU CAN EASILY JUST TACK THAT ON IN OUR PROCESS, SAY THIS IS APPROVED AND REQUIRED.
CAUSE THEN IF THEY KNOW TOWN'S COMING OUT TO THE FINAL WORK, THAT THAT IS A TEAM.
AND THEN JUST DON'T HAVE THE TASTE AND YOU GOT TO TAKE THEM OUT, PUT THEM IN WHAT WAS APPROVED.
BUT LIKE, I THINK, UM, BUT THEN WE'LL GET TO MAYBE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE HISTORIC DISTRICT WHERE IT ENDS BECAUSE ON MY STREET, MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE IS IN THE DISTRICT, BUT MINE'S NOT THE EXACT SAME HOUSE WAS RIGHT THERE AT PROSPECT.
AND IT, WELL, THE FIRST STREET ON THE REPORT, THE FIRST HOUSE OF PROSPECT ON EACH SIDE IS IN THE DISTRICT.
BUT THEN THE SUBSEQUENT HOUSES AREN'T SO THE YELLOW ONE ON THE CORNER IS MY NEIGHBOR AND MINE AREN'T AND IT'S THE EXACT SAME HOUSE BUILT THE SAME YEAR.
THEY BUILT FOUR OF THEM IN A ROW.
UM, KNOW DEPARTMENT, HISTORIC RESOURCE.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THAT.
NOT, NOT TOWN COUNCIL CAUSE THERE'S THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER SOMETHING SOMETIMES BUSINESS THAT'S TRUE.
A BUSINESS DISTRICT, THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND THE CHESTER STREET DISTRICT.
AND AT ONE POINT WE WERE EYEBALLING THE HOUSES, STONE ONES LIKE WHERE ONE WAS THE SPA.
AND THEN THERE'S THE ONE WITH THE PAPER, LIKE THIS THING GOING DOWN LIKE TOWARDS SUBWAY.
WE WERE EYEBALLING THOSE HOUSES AT ONE POINT.
LIKE, ARE THEY IN, ARE THEY OUT? CAN WE SAVE THEM? JUST KIND OF FUTURE PROOFING AND YOU JUST KILL THESE BIG HOUSES, JUST KEEP GETTING CONVERTED INTO LITTLE APARTMENTS.
AND WE DON'T HAVE THE STREET PARKING FOR IT WHEN THEY WERE MADE PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE CARS AND THEN ONE CAR FAMILIES, EVERYONE WAS.
SO THEY ONLY HAD ONE DRIVEWAY.
WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF REQUESTS.
I MEAN, UM, TO TAKE SOME OF THE, THOSE HOUSES AND CONVERT THEM BACK TO RESIDENTIAL.
UM, SO WE'VE GOTTEN A FEW REQUESTS, LIKE HOW DO WE GO BACK AND USED TO BE AN OFFICE NOW WE WANT TO MAKE IT BACK TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
SO WELL BEEN UP UP AND ALL RIGHT.
CAUSE SEE, I'VE FLIPPED AND HAVE ASKED T LANDLORDS AND THEY GOT A MUFFIN DEPARTMENTS AND THEIR NOBODY AROUND.
BUT THEY'RE JUST FALLING APART AND YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE BEST PROPERTY.
MAINTENANCE WILL ONCE WITH A JUST F SINCE WE'RE IN THE OTHER SECTION THAT THE TOWN IS LOOKING AT SOME TYPE OF BUILDING DEPARTMENT, SO THEY'LL HAVE AN INSPECTOR SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY ENFORCE THE BLIGHTED PROGRAM AND THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.
SO, UM, HOPEFULLY EVERYTHING'S APPROVED.
SO ONCE THEY, UM, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING AN ACTUAL BUILDING DEPARTMENT, TAKING IT AND TAKING EVERYTHING AWAY FROM THE COUNTY.
UM, SO CONSTRUCTION WORK, WE'RE ALL ABOUT, WE'RE ALL ABOUT STREAMLINE RIGHT NOW, BUSINESS FRIENDLY AND STREAMLINED.
I LIKE IT COVERED OLD BUSINESS, OTHER BUSINESS, ANY OTHER BUSINESS PIECE OF BUSINESS WE HAVEN'T COVERED.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING ALL IN FAVOR.