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ALL RIGHT, CALL IT A WORK SESSION IN ORDER FOR MONDAY,
[Town Council Work Session on March 8, 2021.]
MARCH 8TH, 2021.UH, FIRST STARTED WITH THIS CLOSED MEETING, UH, FROM, MIGHT WANT TO READ IT TO THE CLUB.
I MOVED TO TOWN COUNCIL, GONE TO CLASS MEETING PURSUANT TO THE FRONT.
WELL, ADA FRIEDA BOARD OF DIRECTORS, THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE TOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT BINDING AND THE MORNING EDA AND THE LITIGATION BETWEEN THE TOWN OR IN EDA AND PERSONNEL PURSUANT TO THE FOLLOWING PROVISIONS OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.
ONE DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF OFFICERS APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF THE THREE TO PURSUANT, TO SECTION 2.2 DASH THREE SEVEN 11 DOT A DOT BLANK TO CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL AND BRIEFINGS BY STAFF MEMBERS WERE CONSULTANTS PERTAINING TO ACTUAL LITIGATION WHERE SUCH CONSULTATION OR BRIEFING AN OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NEGOTIATING OR LITIGATING POSTURE OF THE PUBLIC BODY.
PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH THREE SEVEN 11
PASSAGE COUNSEL PURSUANT TO 2.2 DASH THREE SEVEN 11 DOT A DOT EIGHT FOR THE DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES FOR EMPLOYMENT ROAD OR THE ASSIGNMENT APPOINTMENT OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC APPOINTEE OR EMPLOYEES OF THE TOWN PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH THREE SEVEN ELEVEN.A.ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.
I MEAN, IF THE COUNCIL CERTIFY IT THAT TO THE BEST, EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE AS RECOGNIZED BY EACH COUNCIL MEMBERS AFFIRMATIVE VOTE, THE ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSE NEIGHBORS FOR HER DISCUSSED BY COUNCIL AND THEN DIVERTED THE ISSUE INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF COUNCIL WILL BE TAKEN BY ROLL CALL AND INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING.
ITEM TWO, FYI 2012, 2122 PROPOSED BUDGET, ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION WITH DJ NINA
UH, THE NEXT, UM, NEXT COUNCIL MEETING WILL BE VOTING ON THE X-RAY'S TAX RATES WILL REMAIN THE SAME AS THEY DID LAST YEAR.
AND THEN, UM, IN APRIL WE'LL BE ADVERTISING TO THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE WATER SEWER RATES, WATER RATES ARE EXPECTED TO INCREASE, UH, TWO AND A HALF PERCENT.
YEAH, TWO AND A HALF PERCENT, 2% REORDER RATE AND THEN THREE AND A HALF PERCENT.
UM, OR WE'RE GOING TO BE OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, EVEN MORE SPEED JACKIE UPDATE ON MAYOR'S HUNTER DAY GOALS.
YEAH, SO BRIEFLY I THINK IT'S JUST ONE BRIEF BRIEF UPDATE.
AND SO THE FIRST ONE AFTER THEN WE CLOSE MOVING FORWARD.
WE'RE GOING TO BE PART OF THE WORK SESSIONS, DISCUSSING THE AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPER ON THAT, UH, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.
UH, WE RE-ESTABLISHED THAT, UH, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
WE'RE WAITING FOR, UH, THE APPLICANTS TO COME IN AND THEN COUNCIL WILL NEED TO SELECT, UH, THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE BLIGHT BUILDING PROGRAM.
WE ARE, UH, WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS FROM ALREADY WORKING WITH OUR ZONING, UH, FOLKS TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO.
BUT OBVIOUSLY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL RELY ON THE COUNTY A LOT.
UM, NOT REALLY MADE MUCH PROGRESS ON THAT.
UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA EXPLORE THAT, UH, THE TOWN BUILDING INSPECTION OFFICE, I HAVE SOME DATA FOR YOU ALL AT LEAST ON, ON HOW MANY, UH, INSPECTIONS THAT WERE PERFORMED.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE FROM ROYAL, THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY GOING ON, STEVEN, IF I CAN, UM, IF WE HAVE OUR OWN BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT,
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THAT'S GOING TO HELP US WITH OUR BLIGHTED BUILDINGS, RIGHT? YES.SO YOU CAN SEE IN THE CHART, UM, AND SOME OF YOU HAVE ALREADY SEEN THIS DATA MAYBE, BUT IF YOU MAINLY GO TO THE LAST PAGE THAT KIND OF JUST SUMS IT UP ON HOW, UH, HOW MANY INSPECTIONS ARE GOING ON OR PERMITS BEING AN ISSUE IT'S GRADUALLY GOING UP AND W WE'RE ALSO, UM, SOMEWHAT EXCEEDING THE COUNTIES.
SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE DOLLARS WITH THESE NUMBERS.
AND FROM THERE, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
UH, THE OPTION OF ADMINISTRATIVE PROGRAM SHOULD COUNCIL DESIRES, THIRD-PARTY INSPECTION, UH, UH, JUST TO SAY, NOT THAT I'M TAKING FROM NEW ROLES, BUT I, I WAS A BUILDING CODE OFFICIAL AND JAMES CITY COUNTY, AND I COULD CONTINUE TO BE A BUILDING CODE OFFICIAL TO HELP AT LEAST JUMPSTART SHOULD, SHOULD THE TOWN COUNCIL DECIDED TO BRING THE BUILDING INSPECTION OFFICE.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS, ANY GUIDANCE, AGAIN, TO HELP GIVE YOU ALL BETTER INFORMATION? I THINK WE NEED TO BRING BACK A POTENTIAL COST OF DOING THIS, AND IT MAY REQUIRE A THIRD PARTY, UM, CONSULTANTS INVOLVED.
AND WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS A TRACTOR OR A RESIDENT OR A DEVELOPER, OR WHOEVER WOULD REACH OUT TO SOME OF OUR OWN CALL INSPECTORS.
AND THEY WOULD BE THE ONE THAT WOULD GO OUT AND DO AN INSPECTION, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY INSPECTIONS.
I KNOW, UH, COUNCILMAN GLASSY, HE WANTED TO KINDA HELP, UH, FIGURE OUT HOW THAT PROCESS WOULD BE.
AND SO WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO IT.
UM, AND IF, IF COUNCIL DESIRE, WE'D PUT OUT A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION AND WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS, ARE THERE OTHER, UM, ARE, ARE THERE INTEREST OUT THERE OF CONSULTANTS PROVIDING THAT SERVICE? I KNOW WARREN COUNTY, THEY, UH, HAVE A THIRD PARTY INSPECTION FORUM FOR OUR LECTURE.
AND SO IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DO IF WE WERE TO DO THIS.
UM, THE GOAL IS WE WOULD BREAK EVEN NOW BECAUSE LITERALLY THE PERSON WHO'S GETTING THE PERMIT WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THE SERVICE.
NOW, WHEN IT COMES TO BLY PROPERTIES, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME FUNDS, BUT THE RETURN IS WE'D START QUICKLY, UH, TOWN, UH, UH, OPEN, ENDED UP OR DISCUSSION ON THIS WILL.
I KNOW WE SPOKE EARLIER AND TO RUTTMAN ENGINEERING, THEY DO, UH, THEY WILL ALSO DO, UH, INSPECTIONS FOR FOUNDATIONS FOR THE COUNTY.
THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER INSPECTION THAT THE COUNTY WILL ALLOW A THIRD PARTY TO DO.
UM, WHETHER THEY DO FRAMING ANYTHING OTHER THAN FOUNDATIONS, I DON'T KNOW.
I NEVER ASKED BECAUSE, UH, UM, THE COUNTY WOULDN'T ALLOW ANY OTHER THIRD PARTY, BUT, UM, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF CONTRACTORS AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE BUILDING YOUR OWN HOME, THAT THEY KNOW ABOUT IT, A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD USE ROCKMAN ENGINEERING FOR FOUNDATIONS INSPECTIONS, BECAUSE IT'S A LOT SIMPLER PROCESS AND THEY'LL PAY ANY WORSE FROM ONE TO TWO, $300 EXTRA JUST TO HAVE THEM COME OUT BECAUSE IT DEPENDED UPON THE INSPECTOR THAT COMES OUT WITH THE COUNTY.
THEY INTERPRET THE CODE THEIR OWN WAY.
SO MANY, SO MANY DIFFERENT TIMES.
UM, I'VE HAD, UH, I'VE HAD INSPECTIONS WITH, UH, THE COUNTY BEFORE WHERE TWO INSPECTORS WILL COME OUT.
UM, ONE LET'S SAY, HAD BEEN OUT PREVIOUS AND PAST, LET'S SAY FRAMING, UM, ANOTHER ONE COME OUT, UM, AND SEE SOMETHING THAT HE DOESN'T LIKE, AND HE'LL GO BACK AND BUILD A FRAME.
I MEAN, I KNOW THAT I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE OUT TO GET YOU, BUT YOU KNOW, IT JUST, IT'S FRUSTRATING WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THEN YOU GOT TO GO BACK AND IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A LONG DRAWN OUT PROCESS.
AND I THINK IF WE HAD OUR OWN DEPARTMENT ALSO, IT WOULD SPEED UP THE PROCESS ON GETTING PERMITS.
I THINK RIGHT NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE FOUR WEEKS WITH THE COUNTY.
UM, AND I THINK IT, WE HAD OUR OWN DEPARTMENT.
HOPEFULLY WE COULD SPEED IT UP A LITTLE BIT IF WE HAD A, UH, A, UH, ENGINEER ON RETAINER THAT, UH, COULD DO A STAMP ON IT, YOU KNOW, CAUSE THEY GO THROUGH SO MANY DRAWINGS NOW AT THE COUNTY AND IT'S LIKE ONLY ONE OR TWO GUYS THAT REVIEW DRAWINGS AND IT TAKES THEM A WHILE TO DO THAT.
SO, UM, BUT YEAH, IT'S, IT'S FRUSTRATING AT TIMES.
AND THIS ALSO WOULD INCLUDE, UM, IN S AND LAND DISTURBANCE, PERMIT, OR LOCALE
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KIND OF GOES WITH COUNSELING ONE-STOP SHOP WHERE KEY THING IS ALSO OWED BUSINESS, MEANING THAT WE WANT TO HELP WHATEVER CUSTOMER THAT NEEDS OUR SERVICE TO BE ABLE TO COME HERE QUICKLY, GET WHAT THEY NEED AND GO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.SO WHEN I'M HEARING, UM, I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS.
UM, I HAVEN'T HAD TO WORK WITH THE INSPECTIONS AND, UM, THIS IS A DISCUSSION I STARTED BEFORE I CAME ON.
BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT IT'S POTENTIALLY A MORE OF AN EXPENSE FOR THE TOWN AND WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE GETTING MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
WE MAY GO WITH A CONSULTANT, BUT WE'D BE JUSTIFYING THAT EXPENSE FOR THE TOWN BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WHAT WE HAVE IS INCONSISTENT, INEFFICIENT, UM, PERHAPS A BACKLOG AND THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD CREATE EFFICIENCIES, AT LEAST, UM, WITH RESPECT TO DOING BUSINESS HERE.
WELL, I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME MONEY TO START THIS PROGRAM UP, BUT AFTER IT GETS GOING, I THINK IT'S GOING TO RUN ITSELF.
AM I RIGHT? YOUR, YOUR PERMIT FEE CARD IS A LOT LIKE OUR AIR PRESS FOR TAKE CARE OF OUR, AND EVEN THE VEHICLES THAT YOU USE.
YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO SUPPLY
YOU WANT TO BE IN THE BLACK, YOU GOT A LOT OF TOWNS.
SO YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO BREAK IT.
EVEN WHAT, ANYTHING ABOVE YOU CAN PUT BACK INTO THE GERALD.
IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAT WAY.
BECAUSE THE THING SKY SHE NOTICED, LIKE WHAT, UH, MAYOR WAS SAYING ABOUT BEING CONSISTENCIES, INCONSISTENCIES RELATE TO IS WHEN YOU'VE GOT THAT ISSUE.
LIKE I WENT THROUGH PERMITTING ISSUES WITH CONSTRUCTION AND REMODELING IS THAT, WHICH I COULDN'T FIND CONTRACTORS THAT DIDN'T WANT TO DO THE WORK.
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO COME AND DO SOME OF THE WORK BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THOSE INCONSISTENCIES BECAUSE THEY KEEP COMING BACK.
THEY HAVE TO, OH, WELL WE DID IT TO CODE.
WE THOUGHT WE DID IT TO CODE, BUT FRONT ROYALS, THEY, I HEARD SOMEONE SAY FRONT ROYAL AND THEY'RE MEANING WARREN COUNTY'S CODE IS UNLIKE EVERYONE ELSE'S CODE, WHICH MEANS INSPECTIONS AREN'T THEY AREN'T EASY TO GET THROUGH.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE EXPERIENCES THAT I DEALT WITH.
AND THEN, THEN IF YOU DRIVE AROUND JUST IN TOWN, DOWNTOWN AREA, YOU SEE THESE REMODELS THAT ARE HAPPENING, LOOK FOR BROWN PAPER ON THE WINDOWS.
UM, AND THEN WONDER ABOUT IF THERE'S PERMITS FOR THOSE, THOSE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.
UM, I HEARD THAT AFTER I WENT THROUGH ALL OF THE PROCESS, THE PROPER PROCESS TO GET MY BATHROOMS PUT IN PLACE AND OTHER THINGS, AND EVERYBODY OTHER PEOPLE WERE TELLING ME, I WON'T NAME NAMES.
THEY WERE LIKE, WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST PUT PAPER UP AND DO THE WORK? AND THEN GRAND REVEAL, WAIT A YEAR, SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
AND YOUR GRANDFATHER, DAN, SO WE COULD DO IS THEN ALSO MAKE IT FACILITATED SO THAT WE HAVE PROPER
IF THE RIGHT PERSON HEARD THAT THEY'D BE BREAKING UP A LOT OF FLOOR, BREAK IT UP.
THAT'S JUST THE WORD ON THE STREET.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW ACCURATE IT IS.
AGAIN, THINGS GET, YOU KNOW, HYPERBOLE GETS MIXED IN THERE OR WHATEVER.
ALL I KNOW IS THAT, UH, PEOPLE ASK ME WHY I WENT TO, WHY DO I STILL, WHY AM I STILL TRYING TO GET MY PUMPING PERMIT CLOSED OUT? WELL, THEY CAME BACK AND THEY GAVE US, YOU NEED TO HAVE THESE FLANGES ON HERE.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I HAD A LICENSED CONTRACTOR CLASS SAY, YOU TRY TO MAKE IT RIGHT.
AND NOW THAT I'VE HAD TO COME BACK AND PAY MORE MONEY TO HAVEN'T FINISHED IT UP.
ANOTHER KICKER TO THAT IS IF THERE'S A FIRE AND IT'S A TOTAL LOSS, ANY INSURANCE COMPANY THAT WORK WAS DONE WITHOUT PERMITS.
I KNOW THAT'S WHY I DID EVERYTHING, BUT I SAW REAL PAPER WHEN YOU'RE WAITING.
AND IF WE CAN FACILITATE IT, I'M REALLY IN FAVOR OF THIS.
I THINK IT'S A REALLY GREAT PLAN.
IF IT COSTS A LITTLE BIT MONEY UPFRONT TO ESTABLISH IT, I THINK WE'LL SEE THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT IN THAT THE BUSINESSES WILL BE MORE WILLING TO WORK WITH US.
IF WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE A SERVICE.
JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS PROBABLY BEEN CLARIFIED FOR ME.
PEOPLE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A TOWN AND COUNTY, JUST
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THE TOWN WE CHECKED ON OUT OF MY RIGHTS DEAL WOULD IT WOULD JUST BE THROUGH US.I THINK I, UM, I WOULD BE EXCITED TO SEE HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BLIGHTED BUILDING PROGRAM.
CAUSE I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT FOR A WHILE AND HAVE A LIST INSPECTORS ON RETAINER THAT WE WOULD USE.
AND THEN WE COULD USE THE PROVIDED BUILDINGS.
GREAT BUILDING CODE OFFICIALS CAN SIGN OFF VERY GOOD, CAREFULLY DETERMINED THE CREDIT CARD FEES, ELIMINATION.
I THINK, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT.
MARY, YOU MAY WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS WHEREVER WE DO HAVE SOME PRICES ON IT.
I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO A WAY WITH THE CREDIT CARD AND A LOT OF PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT.
I LIKE TO SEE IF IT GETS ONBOARD INTO SOMEWHERES ELSE.
I KNOW WE GOT TO PAY THE TOWN HAS TO PAY.
UM, IS THERE ANY WORDS WE CAN, I DON'T KNOW, HIDE IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
THAT, THAT CONCERNS ME BECAUSE WHEN WE, LAST YEAR, WHEN WE DID AWAY WITH IT DURING THE PANDEMIC, IT WAS LIKE 20,000.
IT WAS ABOUT 300 TO $350,000 CREDIT CARD FEE.
BUT WE DISCUSSED THAT, REDUCE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF THOSE FEES BECAUSE THE FEES THAT WE'RE PAYING IS PRETTY HIGH IN COMPARISON TO OTHER KINDS OF RETAIL STUFF IN THE SHOP.
AND I KNOW THERE WERE SENTENCES.
I KNOW WE SAID LAST YEAR, TOO, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT IS ONE, THIS IS JUST ME.
I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS AND YEARS BEFORE I WAS EVEN ON COUNCIL.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE GET HIM, WHY HE CAN'T PAY ON LINE, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE'S LIKE, THERE'S LIKE ISSUES WITH OUR SYSTEM THEN ALL THAT STUFF.
BUT LIKE I ADDED, I'M LIKE IT'S 20, 21.
AND YEAH, THAT'S MY CONCERN IS LIKE THAT, LIKE THOSE SPEEDS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SAY, WHERE WILL THEY GO? I MEAN, WELL, THEY GO INTO THE SERVICE.
SO LIKE FOR INSTANCE, UH, I HAVE MY PROPANE SET UP ON AUTO PAY WITH A CREDIT CARD.
IT'S PART OF MY, I KNOW THEY'RE MAKING IT UP ON, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER FEE THAT I'M CHARGED, BUT IT'S PART OF THE ENTERPRISE.
SO I MEAN, IF IT COSTS $250,000 OVER TIME, THAT'S GOING TO BE ROLLED INTO OUR ENTERPRISE FEES.
YOU'RE JUST NOT GOING TO HAVE A CREDIT CARD FEE.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A COST OF DELIVERING SERVICE.
I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO RETURN THAT FEE TO CITIZENS THAT AREN'T USING THE CARD THAT PEOPLE WOULD USE.
THAT CREDIT CARD THING IS DONE.
HAVING TO DRIVE UP AND, AND, YOU KNOW, DROP OFF A CHECK OR CASH, I WOULD IMAGINE A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD PROBABLY USE THEIR CAR.
WELL, I'M ANXIOUS BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN.
THAT THING IS IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY FOR PEOPLE.
I MEAN, LIKE I SIT DOWN TO DO MY BILLS THROUGH MY BANK, CLICK, CLICK, CLICK, CLICK, IT SENDS IT OFF, BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITH THE TOWN.
NOW MINE'S ON AUTOMATIC TAKEN OUT OF THAT CHECKING ACCOUNT EACH MONTH OR WHATEVER, BUT I KNOW NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO THAT.
BUT, UM, THE, UM, WHAT HAPPENS IS WE RECEIVE A CHECK FOR THAT.
SO THE MONEY COMES OUT OF YOUR ACCOUNT IMMEDIATELY.
UM, BUT IT DOESN'T GET SENT TO THE INSTITUTION UNTIL A FEW DAYS LATER.
SO I MEAN, UM, THAT PROCESS STILL WORKS.
UH, BUT, UH, YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, A CHECK, IT'S A CHECK.
SO BJ THE QUESTION ONE, I KNOW WE'RE STUDYING THE SYSTEM OR FINANCIAL SYSTEM TO SEE HOW EVERYTHING CAN TALK TOGETHER, MORE EFFICIENCIES AND THEN, UM, COUNSELING COUNSELING OFFICE.
AND SHE BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT, UM, THE FEES WERE GOING TO BE REDUCED WITH THE NEW SOFTWARE SYSTEMS OR IT BEING NOT AS COSTLY.
THE, UM, UM, UH, THEY WOULD, WOULDN'T THEY BE REDUCED? THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO RUN TWO DIFFERENT CREDIT CARD SYSTEMS, UH, OVER OUR, OVER THE SOFTWARE.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE CURRENTLY WHERE WE HAVE ONE FINANCIAL AND SOFTWARE SYSTEM THAT RUNS OUR UTILITY BILLING.
WE HAVE ANOTHER FINANCIAL SYSTEMS OR SOFTWARE SYSTEM THAT RUNS OUR ATTACKS.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO RUN TWO DIFFERENT, UH, CREDIT CARD, UH, VENDORS, BECAUSE ONE CREDIT CARD VENDOR WORKS WITH THIS SYSTEM AND OTHER CREDIT CARD VENDOR WORKS WITH THIS SYSTEM AND THERE'LL BE TWO DIFFERENT FEES.
SO IF WE WANTED TO PASS THE FEES ON ALONG TO THE CITIZENS, OKAY.
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UM, YOU KNOW, UH, IF YOU'RE PAYING UTILITIES, IT WOULD BE THIS FEE.IF YOU PAY TAXES, IT WOULD BE THIS FEE.
SO IT GETS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING IN THAT ARENA.
UM, SO YES, THE UTILITY SIDE WOULDN'T WOULD BE ABLE TO BE LOWERED, UH, BASED ON OUR CURRENT PATH.
UH, BUT WE ARE EXPLORING OTHER OPPORTUNITIES, BUT WE PUT THE MONEY ASIDE FROM OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS, RIGHT? LIKE WE NOT ALL, NOT ALL OF OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS FUNCTION HAD A BREAKEVEN.
WE ACTUALLY SAVE UP MONEY FOR A CAPPER REPLACEMENT OR WHATEVER.
UM, YES, LIKE THE WATER SEWER CONNECTIONS, LIKE THE ONE ON THE BUDGET AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YES, IT'LL BE, IT WOULD GO TO THE, UM, DID THE RESERVE BALANCES, UM, THE, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS, IS THAT ALL OF THE FUNDS SHARE, UM, A PORTION OF THE EXPENSE PROPORTIONATELY, SO GENERAL FUND PEOPLE PAY TAXES, ELECTRIC HEALERS, ELECTRIC BILLS.
SO IT'S PROPORTIONATE BASED ON THE LINE.
SO IT'S NOT COMING ALL OUT OF ONE SPECIFIC LINE.
WELL, I GUESS SORT OF SAY GETTING THAT IS WHEN IN OUR ENTERPRISE, UH, REVENUES COVER THE ENTERPRISE FEES FOR CREDIT CARDS.
IT CERTAINLY WOULDN'T BE CORRECT.
IT WOULD BE ABSORBED SOME WAYS ON NOW AND KIND OF, THAT'D BE A PART OF OUR ANALYSIS, UH, AS WE'VE DONE WITH WATER, LIKE OUR FIVE-YEAR ANALYSIS OR WHATEVER, FOR THE OPERATIONS OF OUR ENTERPRISE, FINE.
THAT IF AT SOME POINT IN TIME THAT'S CREATING AN EXPENSE THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO COVER THAT THAT WOULD BE ASSESSED AND BUILT INTO THE OPERATIONS OF THE ENTERPRISE, OR IF THESE ARE GOING A LITTLE BIT.
THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW I, HOW I SEE THAT CHANGING, UM, DOWN THE ROAD.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ABSORBED COSTS IN THE SHORT TERM, BUT AS LONG-TERM, IT'S GOING TO BE A PART OF THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS, UM, FOR OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND THEN IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT INTO IT.
SO YOU TALK ABOUT PASSING THE COST OFF.
THERE REALLY IS NO PLACE TO PUT IT ANYWHERE ELSE.
I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT.
THE CITIZENS ARE GOING TO PAY FOR IT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINES.
AND I THINK IT'S JUST A COST OF DOING BUSINESS AND THE ENTERPRISE.
UH, AND THEN ON THE ENTERPRISE SIDE, AT LEAST I'M NOT SUCH A BIG FAN ON THE PAYING TAXES.
I'M DOING THAT THROUGH CREDIT CARDS BECAUSE WE'RE ASSESSING ATTACKS AND THEN TURN AROUND AND PAYING A FEE ON ATTACKS.
THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE TO THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE TO ESSENTIALLY CHARGE BACK THAT FEE.
UM, SO I'M A BIG, I'M A BIGGER FAN OF, UH, MAKING OUR UTILITIES EASIER TO PAY THROUGH CREDIT CARD.
THEN BUILDING BACK INTO THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.
I'M SAYING NO, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
MAYBE I'M NOT, I'M NOT FINANCIALLY SAVVY ON THIS ASPECT OF IT, BUT LIKE, I SEE THAT AS, SO IF I'M NOT USING A CREDIT CARD AND YOU ARE USING A CREDIT CARD AND IT'S A 2.5% OR WHATEVER THE FEE IS, AND THEN ESSENTIALLY THE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T AND THE WAY YOU DESCRIBED IT, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE BUILT INTO THE SYSTEM AND SOMEBODY'S GOING TO BE PAYING IT.
EVERYBODY PAYS IT NO DIFFERENT THAN YOU DO FOR YOUR GAS BILL RIGHT NOW.
UM, IF YOU DON'T GET CHARGED A FEE TO PAY FOR CREDIT CARD, EVERY SINGLE CUSTOMER IS ABSORBING THAT COST FOR THEIR DOING BUSINESS.
SO IT'S USUALLY IN THERE LIKE $10 ADMIN FEE OR 50 BUCK, WHATEVER IS THERE.
I HAVE THE WEIRDEST CHARGES ON MY, MY GAS BILLS, BUT IT'S ALSO NEW BUSINESS.
I MEAN, SO THE SYSTEM THAT WORKS NOW, I MEAN, PEOPLE HAVE THE PEOPLE INDIVIDUALLY AND THEN THE TOWN GENERALLY HAS THE, OF AVOIDING THESE EXTRA FEES BY DRIVING DOWN OR SENDING A CHECK.
SO NOW WE'RE WE'RE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A FAMILY THAT MAKES THE TRIP.
I MEAN, IT GETS YOU OUT OF THE HOUSE FOR A FEW MINUTES, IF YOU'RE THE ONE WITH THAT CHORE, UH, RATHER THAN PAYING THE CREDIT CARD OR SPEEDING.
UM, AND SO I KIND OF SEE WHERE THE IS GETTING AT IT'S LIKE, WE'RE, WE'RE SAYING ON BEHALF OF EVERYBODY, EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SAVE A FEW DOLLARS AND CENTS, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO ABSORB THAT COST FOR CREDIT CARDS.
NOW, NOW PEOPLE HAVE THE OPTION.
IF WE'RE WE'RE ELIMINATING FEES AND ESSENTIALLY PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE OPTION ANYMORE TO SAVE THAT MONEY.
THAT'S HOW I THINK I'M INTERPRETING IT, BUT IT'S, BUT LIKE I SAID, I'M OPEN TO HEARING IT OTHER WAYS, BUT THAT'S HOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME, BUT, AND EVEN WITH WHAT YOU DESCRIBED, THAT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME, THAT, SO EVERYBODY'S GOING TO SHARE IN THE COST OF PEOPLE USING THEIR CREDIT CARD TO PAY IT, INSTEAD OF USING THE, ONE OF THE OTHER METHODS NOW, IF BY USING A CREDIT CARD MEANS WE'LL HAVE LESS DELINQUENT ACCOUNTS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONE THAT
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WOULD BE THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, PRO CON OF THIS WOULD BE THE PRO WOULD BE THAT, THAT THEY COULD PUT IT ON THEIR CREDIT CARD IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY THEIR BILL THAT MONTH OR WHATEVER, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY BENEFIT I SEE TO THIS BECAUSE OTHERWISE, I MEAN, I GET THAT IT'S CONVENIENT.BUT KEEP IN MIND WHEN WE DID THIS BACK IN THE SPRING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I HAD PEOPLE, MY OWN FRIENDS SAYING TO ME, YOU KNOW, THEY USED, THEY WEREN'T GONNA, THEY WEREN'T GONNA BOTHER TO COME AND SPEND THE 55 CENT STAMP.
THEY WERE JUST GONNA PUT IT ON THEIR CREDIT CARD OR DEBIT CARD OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE IT WAS EASIER.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO COME IN, BUT IN THE END THAT THAT DID COST MONEY.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT DIDN'T COST THEM MONEY BECAUSE WE ATE THE COST OF IT.
AT THAT TIME, MAJOR UTILITY COMPANIES ALLOW YOU TO PAY FOR YOUR CREDIT CARD, EXCEPT FOR US.
NOBODY HAS TO PHYSICALLY MAKE A TRIP.
AND LIKE, FOR ME, MY ELECTRIC BILL IS 500 MORE DOLLARS EVERY MONTH.
I DIDN'T GOT CARE ABOUT THAT CREDIT CARD FEE.
LIKE IT'S NOT MAKING OR BREAKING ME AT THIS POINT.
I PAY MY DAUGHTER'S ELECTRIC BILLS AND TYPE IT'S $37.
I CAN PICK UP THE PHONE CALL OR WHATEVER.
HOW DO I, MAJORITY OF OUR CUSTOMERS PAY THEIR BILLS, A MAJORITY CREDIT CARD TIME.
I MEAN, WE'RE, JODY IS STILL CHECKING.
UM, THE AMOUNT OF CREDIT CARDS HAS INCREASED CONSIDERABLY IN THE PAST YEAR, BUT IF YOU LOOKED AT THE TREND FROM, UH, WHEN OUR ONLINE, UH, ONLINE SALES BEGAN, I BELIEVE IN 2009, 2010, IT IS CONSTANTLY GOING ON OF PEOPLE ARE CONSTANTLY INCREASING, BUT A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE STILL USING CHECKS.
SO MY OTHER QUESTION IS ABOUT ANNUALLY, APPROXIMATELY LIKE SAY LAST YEAR VERSUS 2020, HOW MUCH WERE THE FEES ALTOGETHER, COLLECTIVELY FOR THE YEAR? UH, ROUNDABOUT.
I THINK WE WAS RIGHT AROUND 180,000.
HOW, OR WHAT WAS THE DOLLAR OF THOSE BILLS? LIKE, LIKE I KNOW YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE THIS AT TOP OF YOUR HEAD.
LIKE HOW MUCH DID WE COLLECT AND ELECTRIC HIM AND HOW MUCH WERE THE CREDIT CARD HE'S TRYING TO GET WITH THAT? YEAH, I CAN'T DO IT ON
I CAN GET IT TO YOU, BUT I DON'T KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP WAS BETWEEN THE OVERALL DOLLARS THAT WERE COMING IN AND THEN THE CREDIT CARD FEES.
AND IF THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE WE COULD DO, I MEAN, IF IT'S SWITCHING SYSTEMS LIKE TO ME, AND I SAID THIS BEFORE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN'T JUST USE SQUARE AND, OR STRAIGHT AND PAY THAT WAY.
IT'S LIKE, WHAT IS THEIR PERCENTAGE THOUGH? I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.
I JUST KNOW WE PAY SQUARE SQUARE SQUARE, AND YOU CHARGE YOUR CUSTOMERS.
IT'S LIKE BOLTED, RIGHT? DON'T TURN INTO YOUR CUSTOMERS.
I WAS ACTUALLY JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT.
EITHER SUCKS THAT WE EAT NOT, AND THEY DON'T REALIZE THE VALUE ON THAT.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEIR RATE, WE PAY PER MEMBER PERCENTAGES FOR EVERY SINGLE TIME.
IT'S ACTUALLY MORE ABOUT HAVING THEIR CREDIT CARD ON FILE, WHICH IS THE SAME THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS IT'S MORE IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE THAT PAYMENT BECAUSE OUR PAYMENTS, PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PAY CASH, NO PROBLEM, THEY CAN PAY CASH.
AND WHEN THEY COME IN, THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO RENEW OR ALREADY ON FILE.
SO
IT'S JUST EASIER FOR THEM TO JUST HIT THAT REVIEW BUTTON.
SO THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S HOW BUSINESSES, THAT'S WHY BUSINESS IS PUT UP WITH THE HIGH CUT THAT COMES FROM IT, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO GET MORE.
SO YOU MAY GET EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YEARS.
YOU MAY GET MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO PAY IT OR THAT AREN'T LATE.
AND, AND YOU'D BE SURPRISED AT HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY WORK DONE.
IF THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO USE THEIR CREDIT CARD.
I'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE ASK, DO I TAKE CREDIT CARDS? AND IF I DIDN'T, I MEAN, YEAH, EXACTLY.
I DON'T TAKE CREDIT CARDS TO GO TO THE OTHER ATTORNEY, BUT I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE.
YOU JUST SHUT OFF THEIR LOGIC.
UH IT'S UM, UH, THERE'S ADDITIONAL SECURITY STEPS THAT WE'D HAVE TO PUT IN PLACE.
UM, IT MAY INDEED BE POSSIBLE.
I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S A BIG COMPLIANCE PORTION OF THAT.
SO WHAT I JUST SAID WAS IF WE HAD THEIR CREDIT CARDS ON FILE, AND THEN THEY ABANDONED
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US WHEN WE GET THOSE RIGHT OFF SEASON, THEN YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GOING TO BILL YOUR CREDIT CARD.IF YOU BECOME DELINQUENT AND DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN THE ACH THAT HAPPENS, THEN THERE'S NO FEE WITH THE, OR THERE IS NOT.
SO THE ACH IS JUST LIKE A CREDIT.
THAT'S WHY I DON'T HAVE TO COME DOWN AND PAY.
MY BILL IS AUTOMATICALLY DROPPED.
UM, SO I GUESS THAT'S NOT, THAT'S THE DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN SOMEBODY WHO MAYBE ISN'T LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK AND CAN LEAN ON THAT CREDIT CARD A LITTLE BIT VERSUS PRESS ISSUES.
LIKE I'M SCARED THAT HE'S GOING TO MESS UP AND I'LL HAVE TO CONTEST SOMETHING, BUT THEN THEY'VE ALREADY GOT MY MONEY AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WELL, WE'LL JUST FIX IT.
I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANT TO DO? YOU ALL WANT TO TAKE IT? AND WE WANT THIS, OR I WENT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, DO WE TRY TO PUSH THE ETH MORE? UM, DO WE DIVIDE THIS IN HALF? AND THE TALENT ABSORBS HALF AND HALF COMES FROM THE CUSTOMER.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT WAY IS, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO JUST DON'T WANT THAT OR HALF IT STILL COMES FROM THE TAXPAYER.
IT'S STILL, NO MATTER WHAT IT LOOKS BETTER.
CAUSE IT DIDN'T COME OFF YOUR CREDIT CARD WHEN YOU STARTED THAT SAY, WHEN YOU JUST SAID BEFORE ABOUT CONVENIENCE AND I DON'T, I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE AT ALL AT ALL, BUT IT'S LIKE, SO IT IS A CHOICE.
IT'S CAN, IS IT CONVENIENT? IS IT NOT CONVENIENT OR WHATEVER, BUT ULTIMATELY I DON'T CHOOSE TO DO IT.
I DON'T CHOOSE TO PAY THE ELECTRIC BILL WITH MY CREDIT CARD BECAUSE OF THE FEE.
THAT'S WHY I HAVE IT AUTOMATICALLY DEDUCTED, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER FROM MY CHECKING ACCOUNT.
BUT, BUT THERE ARE PLACES WHEN THEY CHARGE FEES.
I DON'T BECAUSE I, THERE WERE, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE I WAITED UP UNTIL THE LAST DAY.
AND IT WAS LIKE, I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THAT FEE OR I'M GOING TO DRIVE DOWN THERE AND PAY IT AND YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER.
SO THAT'S ALL I, I, ALL I'M SAYING IS I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE EVERY CITIZEN AT ALL THE CITIZENS EAT THE COST OF CERTAIN PEOPLE'S CHOICE TO USE A CREDIT CARD.
THAT'S WHY THERE ARE FEES THERE.
AND I HEAR Y'ALL SAY ABOUT YOUR BUSINESSES, BUT THAT'S YOUR BUSINESS CHOICE TO DO THAT.
WE ARE A BUSINESS WHEN PEOPLE DON'T PAY THE BILL.
AND I THINK IF WE DID THIS, I THINK MORE PEOPLE WILL BE PAYING THAT FOR IT.
WE'RE PAYING, WE'RE EATING A COST, BUT THERE'S MORE PEOPLE.
SO AFTER THREE MONTHS, DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IT'S COMING UP? YES.
CONTINUE THIS PROGRAM OR SOMETHING.
I MEAN, THERE'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING WHERE YOU CAN SAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE PAY BILLS ON TIME.
THAT MEANS MORE MONEY COMING IN AND NEW PEOPLE.
AND THEN YOU CAN SAY, WE'RE GOING TO TEST THIS FOR THREE MONTHS, NO FEES.
WELL, WE DID IT LAST SUMMER WHERE PEOPLE USED TO, WHEN WE DID IT LAST TIME, WE'LL USE IT, BUT MORE PEOPLE WILL PAY THEIR BILLS.
THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT THEY DID BECAUSE IT WENT UP FROM LAST YEAR, A HUNDRED, SOME THOUSAND.
AND WHEN WE DID, IT WAS LIKE THREE CREDIT CARDS, THE 300, LIKE HOW MUCH ARE THESE TOTAL? 85, 170, 180,000 LAST YEAR.
RIGHT? TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE THREE MONTHS WE DIDN'T CHARGE IT.
IF WE HADN'T BEEN CHARGING IT ALL YEAR INSTEAD OF 180,000, IT COULD HAVE BEEN.
THAT IS THE EXPENSE FOR THE YEAR.
HALF A YEAR, HALF A YEAR AFTER YEAR NOW HE'S HAPPY HERE.
KNOW, CAN WE INCENTIVIZE, CAN WE NOT CHARGE A CREDIT CARD FEE, BUT THEN DO A $10 OFF YOUR BILL IF YOU PAY THROUGH ACH OR ANYTHING? AUTO DEBIT VERSION.
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT SPRINT DOES.
IF YOU HAVE IT AUTOMATICALLY DEDUCTED, THEY GIVE YOU A $5 CREDIT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF A NIGHTMARE I CAN SEE IT AS BEING VERY EASY, TO JUST VERY DIFFERENT QUALITY THAT IS, UM, HAVING A TALENT SORT OF, OF THE FEES.
BUT THEN AT THE END OF THE YEAR, THOSE WHO PAY, CHECK, RECEIVE WHERE YOU FUND WHAT THE FEE WOULD COST THEM.
I THINK LIKE A LOT OF PAPERWORK AND PAID 11.
I MEAN, I ALREADY JUST, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GIVEN DIRECTION HERE.
LIKE I THINK IT REALLY COULD BE NICE.
I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO BRING IT UP AGAIN.
I MEAN, IT'S DO WE HAVE A GOOD, LIKE, DO, WOULD YOU ALL WANT TO TAKE AND HAVE A ENTERPRISE FUND ABSORB THE FEE? WELL, LET ME GIVE SOME OPTIONS JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M CLARIFIED THE FIRST THING WE NEEDED TO DISCUSS WITH THE FIRST THING IN GENERAL, DO WE HAVE AN INTEREST IN ELIMINATE THE FEES? YES.
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CONSENSUS THAT WE WOULD ONLY DO IT FOR ENTERPRISE BONDS AND NOT BUSINESSES AND TAXES? I'M GOOD WITH THAT.THEY'RE PAYING ELECTRIC BILLS, GENERAL FUND.
THE TAXES ARE IF YOU COME IN FOR YOUR FEES.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THEN WE ARE MOVING FORWARD AND MY OTHER RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT, SHOULD WE DECIDE TO DO THIS? DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT OUR, OUR RATES OR UPCOMING?
UM, OR DO WE WANT TO MAKE A SOFT LANDING THAT WE KINDA STARTED IN THE THIRD QUARTER? UH, STARTING JANUARY 1ST.
SO, YEAH, SO THE, UM, IT'S GOTTEN IS GOING TO BE REALLY HARD TO SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IT FOR ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND NOT DO IT FOR THE GENERAL FUND.
UH, REASON BEING IS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT PILOTS THAT ARE CHARGED ON THE UTILITY BILLS AND THAT'S GENERAL FUND REVENUE.
SO EVEN IF YOU DO IT ON A UTILITY BILL, UM, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T REALLY BLOCK A BUSINESS FROM A RESIDENT FROM PAYING THEIR UTILITY BILL, BUT I MEAN, SO WHAT I'M GETTING THAT YOU CAN'T DIFFERENTIATE IS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO DO IT BETWEEN ENTERPRISE.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT IF SOMEBODY'S PAYING THE UTILITY BILL, SO THEY HAVE ENTERPRISE PILOT, ONE PILOT, AND THAT'S A, THAT IS A GENERAL FUND REVENUE THROUGH GENERAL FUNDING THERE.
I MEANT LIKE PEOPLE ARE PAYING TAXES OR BUSINESS LICENSE FEES OR WHATEVER, LIKE THAT AREN'T USING CREDIT CARD AS AN OPTION FOR MORE THAN I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO RECORD THE REVENUE SPLIT.
UM, LET'S SEE WHERE YOU'RE GETTING THAT.
SO THEY'RE LIKE, OH, FROM PERSONAL PROPERTY, REAL ESTATE, THE B UM, AND BUSINESS LICENSES.
UM, YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY DOABLE.
I MEAN, WOULD, WE WAS STILL, WHILE I WAS GETTING BACK TO LAURIE'S POINT ON THAT, IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH.
I SEE IT AS THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR CONTINUED DISCUSSION REGARDING WE'RE A BUSINESS, UH, REGULAR AGENDA.
SO WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS AND STAFF HAS WENT BACK AND WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DO NOT HAVE THE SIX 30, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
WE GO STRAIGHT TO OUR NORMAL SEVEN O'CLOCK, UM, DUE TO THE FACT OF, OF THE TIME WITHIN THAT 30 MINUTES, UH, HOW WE MANAGE THAT AND START EXACTLY AT SATURN.
SO THE DIFFERENCE, WHAT WE DID WAS IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR OVERALL, UM, LAYOUT, WE, WE HAVE 13 DIFFERENT, UM, ITEMS THAT, THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING, UH, THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING ONE MOMENT OF SILENCE, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE OF THE ROLL CALL APPROVAL MINUTES, THAT HAS NOT CHANGED IGNITION AND DELETION OF ITEMS. AND THEN WE GO STRAIGHT INTO RECOGNITION AND WARS.
THEN WE HAVE A CATEGORY FOR PRESENTATIONS, WHICH MEANS ANYONE WHO WANTS TO GIVE A PRESENTATION AND LIKE, LIKE THE EDA UPDATE, THAT WOULD BE A PRESENTATION.
WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A CATEGORY FOR THAT.
UM, THEN WE GO INTO PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD THAT IS NON LEGISLATIVE DECISION THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE COUNCIL ACTION OR VOTE.
IT SAYS PUBLIC COMMENT, MEANING ANY CITIZEN CAN COMMENT ON ANYTHING THAT'S RELATED TO THE BUSINESS.
THEN WE DO GO INTO LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS AND THAT WILL REQUIRE BOATS.
THEN WE GO STRAIGHT TO THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS THAT WE ESTABLISHED AND THEN BUSINESS ITEMS WOULD BE NEW BUSINESS ITEMS ARE LEGISLATIVE, BUT THEY WOULD REQUIRE A BOAT.
HE, UM, THIS, THIS WOULD GO ON INTO THE BUSINESS IN THE NEXT WEEK.
AND THEN FROM THERE, I THINK AT THE LAST PART, THAT WAY WE CAN HEAR A LOT OF INFORMATION AND STUFF THAT WE'D GO STRAIGHT TO REPORTS TOWARDS THE END TOWN MANAGER REPORT, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR, AND THEY CLOSED MEETING.
UM, WE HAVE, WE JUST FEEL THAT THIS WOULD FLOW A LITTLE
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BETTER.ALSO ALLOW PEOPLE WHO COME HERE TO, TO DO, UH, UH, THE TOWN BUSINESS.
THEY COULD COME IN AND, AND, AND LEAVE.
WE FEEL THAT THIS WILL DIVIDE, UH, TOM BY COMMENT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
I'M GENERALLY, I'M GOOD WITH IT.
I HAVE A HARD TIME HAVING OUR RESPONSE PERIOD, UM, PUT AT THE VERY END OF THE MEETING WHEN PUBLIC COMMENTS OFTENTIMES HAVE, UM, 10, WELL, LET ME REPHRASE.
LET ME SAY SOMETIMES DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS, THERE CAN BE INFORMATION PUT OUT THERE THAT IT'S NOT ENTIRELY ACCURATE.
AND BEING ABLE TO HAVE A RESPONSE AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO PUT SOME ACTUAL INFORMATION OUT THERE IS, UM, I SEE AS A BENEFIT.
AND IF IT'S AT THE END OF THE MEETING, WHAT I WORRY ABOUT IS THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE MENTIONED AND THEN LEFT, AND THEN WE MOVE INTO LEGISLATION AND THEN A CONSENT AGENDA, OTHER BUSINESS ITEMS, TIME-LAPSES THOSE PEOPLE LEAVE WHATEVER.
THEN OUR COMMENTS WILL BE LOST AT THE END OF THE MEETING, UM, WHEN IT'S SEPARATE FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING, WELL, I THINK IF THERE WERE, I THINK IF THEY DON'T WANT TO STAY, THEY WANT TO LEAVE.
I KNOW, I WORRY THOUGH, THAT IT'S WHERE IS THIS GOING TO BE A DISCONNECT FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENT, SECTION TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS RESPONDING, POTENTIALLY RESPONDING TO SOME OF THOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
R D OPEN UP AN EIGHT, EIGHT SECTION, WHICH WOULD BE IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, THEN THAT COULD BE SEPARATE FROM THE REPORT WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IF YOU WANTED TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION? YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.
I'M SAYING I'M FINE WITH THAT.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO RESPOND NOT SAYING ANYTHING.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD, BUT THE POINT OF ORDER WOULD BE TO HAVE SOMETHING THERE AND WE LISTEN, AND THEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY RESPONSE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A MAYOR EACH AFTER EACH, AFTER EACH PUBLIC COMMENT, AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE DONE, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER, MAYOR TO SAY, YEAH, LET'S DO THAT.
SO WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT RESPONSE BY COUNCIL.
WOULD THAT BE A GOOD OR A MAYOR? OKAY.
SIMILAR TO LIKE RECOGNITION AWARDS.
YOU DON'T ALWAYS HAVE, IT WOULD JUST BE IF I WANTED TO.
SO WE WOULD HAVE, WOULD CHANGE.
UM, WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST CALL IT ITEM NINE AND THEN ADD IT PUBLIC COMMENT RESPONSE.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE AN OPEN UP, WE WANT TO HAVE A THREE HOUR MEETING ONCE SOME COMMENTS.
WELL, NO, BUT I MEAN, LIKE, IT WAS FUN TO NOTATE SOMETHING REAL QUICK.
CAUSE USUALLY LIKE, JAKE'S REALLY GOOD AT THAT.
LIKE THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT COMES UP, LIKE YOU SAID, IT MIGHT BE INCORRECT TO BE LIKE, I JUST WANT TO CLEAR UP WHAT X SITE ABOUT YEAH.
IN THAT MOMENT IN TIME BEFORE IT'S LOST.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK IT, I DON'T REMEMBER A TIME WHERE COUNCIL WENT ON AND ON AND ON AND ON, AND IT TOOK FOREVER.
I MEAN, IT JUST, I DON'T KNOW.
I ONLY THOUGHT ABOUT MAKING IT A SECTION IS IT SAID THAT IT WILL TURN INTO AN EXPECTATION THAT IF SOMEBODY, UM, SHARES A CONCERN DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, THAT, THAT THERE WILL BE THE EXPECTATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS IT.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT, I MEAN, THERE'S CREDIT DISCLAIMER RIGHT AFTER
HOW ABOUT THE REQUEST? OH, THE MAYOR.
I MEAN, CAN WE DO THAT?
I MEAN, SO, I MEAN, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY NO.
I MEAN, MAYBE JUST YOU, RIGHT? NO, I MEAN THAT WAY, I MEAN, I CAN MOVE THE MEETING ALONG ANYWAY.
IF IT GETS CARRIED ONE, I JUST THINK IT KEEPS THINGS RELEVANT.
LIKE JAKE WITH ME AND MADE ME FEEL LIKE, UM, LIKE TO ME, THE REPORT TO THE TOWN MANAGER, I JUST FEEL LIKE THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE SOONER IN THE MEETING, BUT I MEAN, I GET IT.
BUT I JUST THINK LIKE, TO ME, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT STUFF SHOULD BE THE, THAT THAT'S THE BUSINESS OF THE TOWN.
AND I KNOW I SAID THIS BEFORE.
I FEEL LIKE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS PART, I MEAN, IT USED TO BE CALLED PETITIONS
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AND CORRESPONDENCE BECAUSE THAT'S THEM SHARING WITH THE COUNCILS, HERE'S OUR CONCERN.UM, AND SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TO DO BUSINESS ITEMS OR OUR STAFF, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE REPORTING OR WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO WAIT TILL EVERYTHING ELSE GOES THROUGH, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT.
WELL, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME AND SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL AS JAKE WAS SAYING EARLIER, THEY WILL COME AND SAY THEIR PIECE AND LEAVE.
THEY DON'T STAY FOR THE BUSINESS COUNCIL.
AND THEN LATER ON, THEY'LL COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN? OR, OR, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL BLAST US ABOUT SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY CAME TO THEIR PIECE.
THEY LEFT, THEY DIDN'T LISTEN TO THE REST OF OUR MEETING.
AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW, NUMBER NINE, I'M SORRY.
I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK, DO WE HAVE TO, DO WE HAVE TO UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION, DOES THE MAYOR HAVE THE ABILITY AT THE END OF PUBLIC COMMENTS TO SAY, THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR SPEAKING.
UM, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR RESPONSE.
DOES HE, IS THAT, UH, UH, AN APPROPRIATE POINT OF ORDER UNDER OFFICE RULES? SO I CAN DO THAT ANYWAY, WITHOUT I'M ASKING, WITHOUT PUTTING ANYTHING THERE.
I MEAN, IF THERE'S NO RESPONSE WARRANTED OR YOU CAN JUST GET IN THE PRACTICE OF DOING IT AND JUST SAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH ALREADY COME OUT SINCE THERE'S NO OTHER SPEAKERS.
AND JUST LIKE TO ASK IF THERE'S ANY, UM, COMMENTS THAT COUNCILMAN KARISA CARES TO MAKE.
AND THEN IT DEPENDS TO BE A WHOLE SEPARATE ITEM.
BUT WHAT THEY'RE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, WHAT I HEARD IS THAT WE MAY WANT TO MOVE NUMBER 12, RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
WITH KEEPING 12, IF THE MAYOR CAN OR KEEPING THE REPORTS AS AT THE END, OR YOU WANT TO MOVE TO NUMBER EIGHT, NUMBER EIGHT PART.
AND I FEEL LIKE HERE MANAGER IS USUALLY THE GIVING US THE UPDATE ON PROJECTS AND THINGS THAT ARE BEING ONE-ON-ONE.
LIKE I THINK OF THAT, LIKE YOU'RE RIGHT.
LIKE THE FULL AMOUNT SINCE LIKE HERE'S WHAT'S GOING ON AND, AND WE'RE SAVING THAT.
WOULD YOU WANT TO MOVE PUBLIC COMMENTS DOWN TOWARD THE END ALSO? I MEAN, THAT'S HOW IT, NO, PLEASE KEEP THAT WHERE IT IS.
IT USED TO BE, THEN WE MOVED IT TO THE TOP, BUT YEARS AGO WASN'T A PURPOSE FOR EITHER.
OR DOES HE MAKE, SO PEOPLE COULD COME AND SPEAK AND LEAVE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO SIT THROUGH THE WHOLE MEETING BECAUSE WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL, THE FIRST TIME IT WAS AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
AND THEN I REMEMBER, UH, SOME PEOPLE THAT CAME TO SPEAK AND THEY WERE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THEY HAD TO SIT THROUGH THE WHOLE MEETING.
BUT I MEAN, THAT MIGHT NOT BE A BAD THING.
I WAS GONNA SAY, IF THEY HAVE A CONCERN, WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO SIT THERE? I MEAN, IF IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO YOU, YOU'D SIT THERE ALL YOU LIKE, BUT THEN YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE BEEN RELEGATED TO THE BOTTOM.
LIKE WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY, WASN'T IMPORTANT.
CAUSE YOU WERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST AND THEN YOU AGREE AT 12, SHOULDN'T BE HERE, YOU'RE SITTING THERE.
YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, I WAITED FOR THIS.
AND THEN SOMETIMES FRUSTRATION, ISN'T GOOD.
SOMETIMES WHEN THEY COME IN ANYWAYS, THEY'RE GOING, WAIT ANOTHER HOUR, THEY'RE GONNA BE ANGRY.
OR, BUT IF YOU'RE A PRO, IF YOU'RE SAYING THE PRIORITY, THEN YOU'LL STAY.
AND THEN WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING, IT MIGHT REALLY BE RELEVANT TO THEM.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING TO Y'ALL.
I MEAN, ABOUT 12, ARE WE SAYING THAT THE REPORT OF THE TOWN MANAGER AND THE REPORT OF THE MAYOR IS, IS NO ARE HERE FOR THE CITIZENS.
SO I THINK WHICHEVER ORDER THE CITIZENS PREFER TO GET THEIR COMMENTS IS WHERE SHOULD WE, COULD WE JUST PUT 12 OR 10 IS, AND THEN MOVE 10 OUT OF IT, DOWN THE COMMENTS, AND THEN WE'D HAVE A REPORT TO THEM.
WHAT'S YOUR COMPROMISE DOWN, MOVE 12 AND MOVE 10 AND 11 DOWN.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE AFTER THEY COMMENT REAL QUICK.
SO IT WOULD GO STILL, WE'LL START AT SEVEN PRESENTATION, EIGHT PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, NON LEGISLATIVE ACTION, 10 REPORTS, 11 CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, 12 BUSINESS ITEMS, AND THEN 13 CLUBS MEETING.
THEN I JUST WANT TO DEFINITELY CONFIRM THAT THE MAYOR IS ABLE TO OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL SO WE DON'T GET READ.
I'M SURE HE WOULD BE LIKE, NO, I JUST, UH, YEAH, I'LL REMIND YOU.
UM, ALSO DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO CRY
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A FILE AND SAY THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, JUST TALK TO THEM.THE THINGS THAT I HAD MENTIONED, UM, I ASKED TODD ABOUT THIS ON THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, AND I KNOW NOBODY IN THIS ROOM AS AN ISSUE WITH THIS.
CAUSE WE'RE ALL, UM, NOT, THAT'S NOT OUR PERSONALITIES, BUT SOME PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SPEAK MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO BE ON A VIDEO.
AND I HAD ASKED TODD, IS THERE ANYTHING, WHEN THEY SIGN UP, THAT'S ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE VIDEOED.
IF YOU'RE SCARED TO BEING ON VIDEO, YOU DON'T SHOW UP.
YOU DON'T COME TO A PUBLIC MEETING.
IF YOU DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO KNOW YOU ARE BAD ENOUGH, THEY'LL JAIL.
BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, THAT COMMENT THOUGH, RIGHT THERE TO SAY, IF YOU'RE SCARED TO COME, YOU SHOULDN'T COME.
BUT I MEAN, YOU DON'T COME TO A PUBLIC MEETING AND THEN EXPECT ME NOT TO BE SEEN, HEARD OR KNOWN THAT YOU CAME THERE.
THAT MAKES NO SENSE THEY WOULD BE THERE THOUGH.
IT WOULD STILL BE IN THE MINUTES.
THEY, IT DOESN'T STOP ME FROM SAYING SO.
AND SO WAS THERE, IT DOESN'T STOP YOU, IT DOESN'T STOP ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE FROM SAYING THEY WERE THERE.
LIKE IF YOU THINK THAT YOU NEEDED TO BE IN A WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM TO COME AND SPEAK AT A PUBLIC HEARING, STAY HOME AND MAKE A PHONE CALL.
LIKE THAT MAKES NO SENSE FOR US TO TURN THE VIDEO ON AND OFF BECAUSE SOMEBODY WASN'T SAYING LIKE ON AND OFF FOR EVERY PERSON, I JUST WAS SAYING, PEOPLE OUGHT TO AT THE ODD, ARE WE PUTTING ON THERE THAT IT'S, THAT PEOPLE ARE RELEASING, THAT THEY WERE TELEVISED.
RIGHT? AND SO IT SAYS THAT ON THE THING THAT THEY'RE DOING, I JUST, I WOULD WANT, I WOULDN'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE DISCOURAGED FROM IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO BE.
AND I SHARED THAT WITH YOU ALL BEFORE THAT, I HAD SOME CITIZENS SAY TO ME THAT THEY FELT UNCOMFORTABLE AFTER SHARING THEIR STANCE ON A PARTICULAR TOPIC.
AND THE FACT THAT THEY HAD SHARED THEIR ADDRESS, MADE THEM EVEN MORE OF A TARGET.
IF SOMEBODY DIDN'T LIKE WHAT THEY WERE SAYING, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT DRESS.
AND WE ADDRESS THE ADDRESS BY SAYING, YOU CAN JUST SAY YOU'RE FROM FRONT ROYAL, VIRGINIA AT BERT BENTONVILLE.
SO I THINK WE TOOK CARE OF THAT ASPECT, BUT LIKE I'M SAYING, IF YOU ARE AFRAID OF SOME REPERCUSSIONS, FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IF YOU'RE THAT WORRIED, THEN YOU DON'T COME TO A PUBLIC HEARING THAT THAT DOES NOT WORK FOR ME.
THAT'S LIKE STANDING AT THE GAZEBO AND MAKING SPEECHES AND THEN HOPING NOBODY SAW IT.
YOU DON'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE ANYBODY.
THAT'S ALSO, ARE WE GOOD WITH THE CHANGE? OKAY.
NUMBER FIVE, CONSIDER A CONSIDERATION AGREEMENT TO COMPLETE AFTER NET PROPERTY WORK.
UH, THERE'S BEEN CONCERNED, RAISED, UM, SO THAT, UM, IF, UM, TWO EAST MAIN LLC STARTS TO WORK, UH, ON RENOVATING THE AFTERNOON PROPERTY, THAT IT MIGHT NOT FINISH THE AFTERNOON, UM, RENOVATIONS OR MIGHT NOT FINISH IT IN A TIMELY FASHION.
AND SO, UH, WE WANT TO, UH, HAVE THEM ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN THAT IT WILL FINISH IT IN A TIMELY FASHION AND THEY HAVE AGREED, UM, UH, AT LEAST, UM, ORALLY, UM, SO FAR TO FINISH IT IN A, UM, UH, 30 MONTH PERIOD, UH, FROM THE DATE OF CLOSING.
AND, UH, IF THEY DON'T FINISH IT IN A 30 MONTH PERIOD, THAT THEY WILL PAY $200 A DAY FOR EVERY DAY BEYOND, UM, 30 MONTHS, UM, TO PAY $200 A DAY TO THE TOWN IS LIQUIDATED DAMAGES.
AND SO I'VE PREPARED AN AGREEMENT, CORRECT AGREEMENT.
AND, UM, UM, IF I, THE TOWN COUNCIL, UH, THINKS THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ENTERTAIN, UH, WE CAN SEE IF TWO EAST MAIN LLC, UH, SEE WE'LL SIGN IT.
I'VE SENT A COPY OF IT, UM, TO THE ATTORNEY FOR A TWO EAST MAIN LLC A WEEK AGO AND HEARD NOTHING IN RESPONSE.
SO I ASSUME IT IS OKAY IN ITS PRESENT FORM WITH THEM.
UM, WHAT I WOULD, UM, I'VE ALSO TOLD THEM THAT I'VE NOT HAD FEEDBACK FROM TOWN COUNCIL, UH, AT LEAST NOT IN A FORMAL SENSE.
WHY WOULD THEY SIGN THIS? YEAH.
WHY WOULD THEY, I MEAN, IF I WAS THEM, I WOULDN'T SIGN IT.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING.
I GUARANTEE YOU HOW I WOULDN'T RESPOND.
WELL, UH, UM, I HAVE TALKED TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I HAVE, UH, TALKED TO EAST MAINE AND THEY WANTED ME TO SHARE WITH COUNCIL
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THAT THEY'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.UM, THEY WANT TO GET GOING, UH, UH, I WILL BE MEETING WITH THEM AS A SHARED WITH HIM, UM, WHEN, UH, MATT AND I FIRST MET WITH THEM THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A PROOF OF CONCEPT PROJECT, AND WE'RE GOING TO PARTNER WITH THEM AND WE'RE GOING TO WALK WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROJECT IS SUCCESSFUL.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A KICKOFF MEETING.
UH, I WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THE SITE PLAN, REVIEW PROCESS, BUILDING INSPECTION PROCESS, CAUSE I WANT TO GET A HANDLE AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AT FIRST, UH, YOU KNOW, BI-WEEKLY MEETINGS TOGETHER.
UM, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL.
AND I THINK THIS AGREEMENT JUST IS PART OF THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE TOWN TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE SERIOUS ABOUT IT AND SO COMFORTABLE THAT THEY WILL SIGN IT BECAUSE THEY REALLY WANT TO SHOW THEIR COMMITMENT AND THEY APPRECIATE WHAT THE TOWN IS DOING IN EXCHANGE.
MY COMMITMENT IS THAT, UM, WE WANT THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
SO I WANT TO SHARE THAT IDEA OF PARTNERSHIP HERE.
IT WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULDN'T BE BAD IF WE HAD THEM SHOW UP AND GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHERE THEY'RE AT RIGHT NOW, MOVING FORWARD.
REQUEST, PUBLIC HEARING FOR LEASE OFFICE SPACE FOR PROBATION AND PAROLE.
MARY COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE RECEIVED A LETTER, UH, WHERE, UM, WHERE DID THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS WOULD LIKE TO START LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO HAVE THEIR, UH, PLACE TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE THEIR, THEIR PROBATION? UM, MY UNDERSTANDING THIS HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE AND CITIZENS DID NOT WANT, UH, THE PROBATION BUILDINGS TO BE NEAR THEM.
SO, UH, WHILE, WHILE THEY'RE REQUESTING THAT COUNCIL DOES NOT HAVE TO, UM, APPROVE OF IT, THEY WILL MOVE FORWARD.
UH, UH, SO, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE DO FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, JUST SO CITIZENS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS THEIR CONCERN AS WELL AS COUNSEL DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, BUT I DO RECOMMEND THAT, UH, COUNSEL DOES NOT AGREE TO DO THAT.
HAVE THEY PICKED OUT ANOTHER LOCATION OR NO? OKAY.
UH, I'M ALL FOR THEM HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING.
I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE ENTITLED TO IT WHERE YOU'RE SAYING THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT ROUTE BEFORE, AS FAR AS WORTHY, I THINK WE MISSED THE PUBLIC HEARING MEETING AND, AND GOT MAD ABOUT IT RIGHT THERE.
I WAS THERE WHEN THEY ASKED FOR THE BUILDING THEY DID.
AND, UH, THEY HAD, UH, THEY FOUND ANOTHER ONE SOMEWHERE.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING LAST NIGHT.
IT WAS THE OLD POST OFFICE POLICE STATION? YES.
ALL OF THE BUILDING ACROSS FROM THE OLD PHONE.
NO, I THINK IT'S, IS IT THIS ISN'T OKAY.
I DON'T KNOW OLD OR IS IT THE FORM? IT'S ACTUALLY, CAUSE I LOOKED IT UP ON GOOGLE EARTH.
IT THINK IT'S THE BUILDING RIGHT ACROSS THE HOSPITAL, NOT THE ONE WHERE THE ORTHODONTIST IS IN, BUT DOWN IT WASN'T HIS ROLE WHERE THE OLD ORTHODONTIST, I MEAN WHERE THE ORTHODONTIST AND EVERYTHING IS NOW YOU.
I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE WEST VIRGINIA DOESN'T HAVE PAROLE.
WE'RE NEARLY A HUNDRED PERCENT.
UH, MOVING ON, UM, UPDATE ON THE MASKING.
UH, SO ON THE FACE COVERINGS MATH ISSUE, GOING BACK TO OUR LAST DISCUSSION, UM,
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IT SOUNDED TO ME LIKE THERE WAS ACTUALLY CONSENSUS ON THE IDEA THAT PRESUMPTION, THE PRESUMPTION THAT I WAS DISCUSSING WAS ACTUALLY IMPLIED IN THE EXECUTIVE ORDER, WHICH WAS APPOINTED.I WAS MAKING IT, I, I DIDN'T HEAR ANY DISAGREEMENT WITH THAT IDEA.
AND, UH, ALSO THE DISCUSSION, THE IDEA, UH, MAYOR HOLLY'S SUGGESTION THAT MAYBE THIS COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE THE, UH, LIKE A PUBLIC AFFAIRS TYPE ENGAGEMENT, MAYBE SOME WE PUT IN A UTILITY UTILITY BILL OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
SO THAT BASICALLY I I'M STILL OF THE CONVICTION THAT, UH, IN, IN ACTUALLY SINCE STARTING THIS DISCUSSION, I'VE HAD SOME SPECIFIC EXAMPLES, UH, BROUGHT TO ME FROM THE COMMUNITY OF, UH, THERE SEEMS TO BE CONFUSION ABOUT, UM, WHAT CONFUSION ON THE PART OF BUSINESSES ABOUT WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE UNDER THE ORDER.
AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LEGITIMATE HEALTH CONCERNS THAT HAVE EDUCATED THEMSELVES AND ARE NOT GETTING COMBINATIONS, ARE GETTING PUSHED BACK, THAT THEY DON'T FEEL AS A PURPOSE.
SO MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO THINGS.
UM, IS THERE A CONSENSUS ON THE IDEA THAT WE COULD JUST, UM, DO SOMETHING TO HELP EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT THE EXTENT THE EXCEPTIONS TO THE EXECUTIVE ORDER ARE? UM, AND THEN TO, UH, I THINK A FORMAL RESOLUTION IS, IS GOING TO TAKE MORE OF THE SHAPE OF WHAT ARE THE POTENTIAL CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES, UM, WITH THE ORIGINAL EXECUTIVE ORDER.
AND, UM, I'M WORKING ON PUTTING THAT TOGETHER.
BUT IN MY RESEARCH THERE, I FOUND THAT, UM, UH, FAIRFAX SENATOR WHO USED TO REPRESENT ME BEFORE PROGRAM DOUBT, HE'S PERSONAL FRIENDS WITH, UH, GOVERNOR NORTHAM, UH, HE'S A DEMOCRAT, UM, BY PARTY.
SO HE SHARES A PARTY, BUT HE FILED A LAWSUIT ON THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF THE ORIGINAL EXECUTIVE ORDER SAYING THAT I THINK OF THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS AND ALSO THE STATUTORY AUTHORITY THAT THE GOVERNOR SITES ACTUALLY SPEAKS TO, UM, EMERGENCIES WHERE IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR THE LEGISLATURE TO CONVENE IN A TIMELY FASHION.
AND SO HIS POSITION AS A FELLOW DEMOCRAT IS THAT RIGHT.
HE'S WAY OUTSIDE OF HIS, UH, LEGAL AUTHORITIES IN THE ORDER.
AND AS AN ATTORNEY, THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
I DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT I'M SAYING TO BE, UM, CONSTRUED ALONG THE LINES THAT I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT.
THE HEALTH OF IS JUST, I'M GOING TO GRAVITATE MY MIND'S GOING TO GRAVITATE TO LEGAL ISSUES.
I THINK THERE ARE SOME GLARING ONES HERE.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN A, IN AN UPDATED DRAFT OF THE RESOLUTION THAT THEN I WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO TAKE A LOOK AT, AND IF THERE'S ANY INTEREST IN IT, THEN WE WOULD KICK IT OVER TO MR. MAKERS TO TAKE A LOOK.
BUT SO THOSE ARE THE TWO ISSUES OF RESOLUTION SPEAKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL LEGAL ISSUES, BUT BACK TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE FUNCTIONAL QUESTION IS IF WE HAVE, IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF IMPLIED PRESUMPTION THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT MASKING IS DOING IT FOR HEALTH REASONS, THEN ARE WE WILLING TO GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC WITH EDUCATION ABOUT THE NATURE AND THE SHAPE OF THE MASK WITH THE VACCINE OUT? I MEAN, I KNOW SOME STATES ARE ALREADY LIFTED THAT MANDATE.
SO I MEAN, HOW LONG, SO, I MEAN, THE, THE PROBLEM THAT, SO, I MEAN, WE COULD PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 22ND, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THEN FIND OUT THAT IT'S A MUTE ISSUE BY THEN.
BUT, UM, THAT ONE OF THE EXAMPLES THAT I CITED IS SOMETHING THAT JUST HAPPENED IN THE PAST FEW DAYS.
SO IT'S STILL LEAKING ON AND GOING AND KIND OF BURNING ISSUE.
UM, AND THERE'S JUST, THERE ARE NO, UM, GIBBONS, ARE THERE NO, THERE'S NO CERTAINTY ABOUT WHAT OUR SITUATION IS, GUYS.
UM, AND HOW LONG THOSE STATES, I THINK IT'S MISSISSIPPI AND TECH OR ALL OF THE, HAVE, HAVE LIFTED THEIR RESTRICTIONS IF THEY'LL GO BACK TO TEXAS.
SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND IT'S JUST GOING TO BE ME I'M SURE.
BUT, UM, SO ARE, IS PART OF YOUR RESOLUTION AS PART OF WHAT YOU'RE AIMING TO DO YOU, ARE YOU ALSO GOING TO BE IN ESSENCE, TRYING TO WHORE CERTAIN BUSINESSES TO,
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UM, LIKE THERE ARE BUSINESSES THAT WILL NOT LET YOU IN WITHOUT A MASK.THEY DO, YOU HAVE OTHER COMBINATIONS, PICK-UP DROP-OFFS WHATEVER ARE YOU GOING TO TELL THEM NOW THAT THEY HAVE TO LET PEOPLE IN? I'M NOT OF THE MIND THAT I'M TELLING PEOPLE THE OTHER BUSINESSES WHAT TO DO.
AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT THIS, MATH GIVES YOU, I THINK ABOUT THE CAKE ISSUE.
YOU KNOW, LIKE WE CAN THINK PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND ALL DAY LONG THAT A BUSINESS HAS THE OPTION.
NOT TO A BAKERY, HAS THE OPTION TO NOT MAKE A CAKE FOR A GAY COUPLE.
THEY CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THEY CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT A BUSINESS CAN ALSO SAY, YOU CANNOT COME IN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A MASK BECAUSE THAT'S USED AS A HEALTH ISSUE.
AND THEN ALSO WHAT I SEE WITH THE BASKET ISSUE IS THAT IT DOES TRY TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE TRANSMISSION.
WE DO KNOW IT'S A HIGH TRANSMISSION, TRANSMITTABLE DISEASE.
WE KNOW THAT THE NATIONAL AVERAGE OF DEATH IS 1%, BUT HERE IN WARREN COUNTY, WE'RE OVER 2%.
AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND I'M GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
MY RESEARCH OR READING 90% OF PEOPLE ALMOST CAN GO AND FUNCTIONING, USE A MASK FOR 10, 15 MINUTES.
UM, I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE SPECIFIC ELEMENTS ARE, WHERE YOU CAN NOT LIKE TRAUMA RELATED.
PEOPLE WHO HAVE THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO I WOULD NOT, I DON'T WANT TO FORCE BUSINESSES TO DO ANYTHING THAT THEY FEEL SACRIFICES, THEIR SAFETY AND WITH US BEING HIGHER THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE RIGHT NOW IN DEATH RATE, THAT'S A LITTLE SCARY FOR ME.
I MEAN, WE ARE GETTING VACCINATED.
I'VE HEARD THAT ONCE, IF YOU DO GET VACCINATED, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED NECESSARILY TO MAYBE WEAR YOUR MASK OR TO DO THOSE THINGS IN CERTAIN STATES, NOT HERE.
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE BUSINESS OF TELLING OTHER BUSINESSES WHAT TO DO.
IT'S THE SAME WAY I FEEL ABOUT THE VACCINE SITUATION.
IF IT'S LIKE A VALLEY HEALTH, FOR INSTANCE, NOT TO PICK ON JAKE, JUST FOR INSTANCE, BECAUSE I THINK OF HOSPITALS WITH THINGS LIKE THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO TELL THEM WHAT TO DO.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING, YOUR EMPLOYER ASKS YOU TO DO, WHETHER IT'S TO SIGN A CHECK OR TO GET A VACCINE, THEN YOU ROLL OUT.
LIKE THAT'S NOT WHAT I, MY HAIRCUT IS NOT WHAT I STAND FOR.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE BUSINESS OF TRYING TO TELL OTHER PEOPLE WHAT TO DO WITH THEM.
UM, UM, I'M SORRY, GARY, GARY.
SO IF I OWNED A BUSINESS HERE IN TOWN AND I HAD A HEALTH ISSUE, UM, I'M PROBABLY GONNA WANT PEOPLE TO WEAR A MASK AND I DON'T WANT THE TOWN GOVERNMENT TO SAY, LOOK, GUYS, UM, YOU HAVE TO LET THESE GUYS COME IN.
YOU AS A CUSTOMER, DO YOU HAVE A CHOICE TO EITHER GO IN OR FIND SOME PLACE ELSE TO GO? AND I DON'T WANT TO FORCE A BUSINESS TO MAKE SOMEBODY COME IN IF THEY'RE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH IT.
I MEAN, Y'ALL ALL KNOW MY FEELINGS ABOUT THIS MASK.
THERE'S THERE'S NO, BUT IF IT MAKES SOMEBODY ELSE FEEL BETTER, DOES IT DO ANY GOOD? ALL OF US KNOW WE CAN SMELL THROUGH THIS THING.
SO, YOU KNOW, HEY, IS IT DOING US ANY GOOD? I MEAN, HONESTLY, THE BUTTONS AT THE SIGN THAT SAYS WE WILL NOT, WE WON'T SERVE.
IF YOU WEAR A MASK,
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF I WANT TO WEAR MY MASK, I WANT NO SHIRT, NO SHOES, NO SERVICE, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T GO INTO SEVEN 11.
IS THERE, IS THERE, IS THERE A CONSENSUS TO MOVE ALL THIS FORWARD OR FOR, CAUSE I THINK I CAN ADDRESS BOTH OF THEM.
I THINK I STILL THINK THAT THERE'S A PRIVATE RIGHT OR FREEDOM TO, TO GENERALLY DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH YOUR BUSINESS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY YOU CAN OPEN UP A BUSINESS AND NOT LET ANYBODY IN UNTIL THE BUSINESS FAILS.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT I THINK THAT THERE IS SOME, THERE'S A, LIKE A MIDDLE ISSUE OF THERE BEING SOME, UM, UH, MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT WHAT A BIT, WHAT THE BUSINESSES ARE OBLIGED TO DO UNDER THE EXECUTIVE ORDER.
AND THAT CLARIFICATION COULD HELP.
UM, SOME BUSINESSES REALIZE, WAIT, UM, UM, I'M GOING BEYOND WHAT I NEED TO BE DOING HERE.
OR IT WOULD HELP SOME BUSINESSES TO RETHINK WELL, IS THERE MORE WE CAN DO TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, PEOPLE WHO ARE REPRESENTING OR, UM, WHO MAY HAVE HEALTH ISSUES? THE DANGER THAT WE HAVE, IF WE'RE NOT CAREFUL ON THIS ISSUE IS THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE LEGITIMATE, WHETHER IT'S ANXIETY OR SOME OTHER ISSUES, LEGITIMATE HEALTH REASONS ARE MASKING JUST BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET THROUGH THEIR
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DAILY LIFE AND NOT HAVE TO FEEL PRESSURED TO EXPLAIN TO THE, THEIR BUSINESSES LIKE, WELL, I, I ACTUALLY HAVE A, AN ISSUE THAT'S ACTUALLY EXCLUDED IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE EXECUTIVE ORDER.SO IF WE'RE NOT DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN, AND THEN THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO GET HASSLED OR FEEL SOME SOCIAL PRESSURE THERE THEY'RE MASKING WHEN THEY HAVE HEALTH REASONS TO NOT BE DOING SO.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG RISK.
SO I THINK I'LL GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID BEFORE.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS INFORMING THE PUBLIC, WHICH DOESN'T REQUIRE A VOTE FROM US.
IT'S, UH, IT'S A, IT'S A POST, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S THOSE THINGS.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO VOTE ON OR BE A PART OF A VOTE.
IF YOU'RE INFORMING SOMEBODY WITH THOSE NINE BULLET POINTS VERSUS THEM READING THE 18 PAGES.
I DON'T MEAN LIKE THAT MAKES SENSE.
I JUST DON'T THINK ANYTHING TO, TO VOTE ON.
AND, UM, I JUST, I JUST DON'T SEE ANYTHING FOR US TO VOTE ON UNLESS WE WERE TRYING TO FORCE BUSINESSES TO DO SPECIFIC THINGS, WHICH I DON'T FEEL IT'S MY PLACE EITHER.
SO, I MEAN, SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU'RE AGREEING WITH WHAT I'M PRESENT.
CAN WE, CAN WE AS A TOWN, I THINK IT WOULD BE JUST THE STAFF GOING AHEAD, PUTTING SOMETHING TOGETHER AS AN INFORMATIONAL.
AND IT'S EITHER SOMETHING WE PUT ON OUR WEBSITE, WE PUT IT IN OUR UTILITY BILLS.
I'M ALL ABOUT INFORMING THE PUBLIC.
I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T SEE ANYTHING NECESSARILY.
THAT REQUIRES A YES OR A NO FOR ME, UNLESS WE WERE TRYING TO CHANGE THE WAY PEOPLE ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING.
AND IF THEY LOOK AND THEY SEE THAT MAYBE THEY WERE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND, OR THEY CHANGED THEIR MIND ABOUT SOMETHING FANTASTIC.
YOU KNOW, CAUSE WE HELPED THEM SEE THAT BY OUTLINING THAT 18 PAGE DOCUMENT DOWN TO NINE POINT.
I JUST, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE BUSINESS OF TELLING OTHER PEOPLE WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
SO W IS THERE FOUR OF Y'ALL HERE THAT WANT TO MOVE? IS THE LUNCH YOU A REGULAR MEETING OR CONSIDERATION? I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN EAT MEAT.
SO COOL WITH DOING SOMETHING TOO.
I MEAN, AND NINE CALLING IN FOR INFORMATION, A LITTLE MEME ON FACEBOOK, ALL I WOULD SAY THERE WAS, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACCURATE ON THAT INFORMATION.
AND THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS, IS THAT THE EXECUTIVE ORDER.
I MEAN, I KNOW PEOPLE THAT, THAT STUDY THE LAW AND HAVE FOUND IT CONFUSING.
SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT'S MY ONLY THING IS
THAT'S NOT WATCHING THIS MEETING.
THEY'RE GOING TO THINK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ENFORCE SOMETHING OR, YOU KNOW, OR WE JUST SHARE THE LINK TO THE EXECUTIVE ORDER.
THEY CAN READ IT FOR THEMSELVES.
I DON'T EVEN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE SHOULDN'T EVEN GET INTO THIS BECAUSE IT COULD COME BACK.
SO TO ME, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF PUTTING ANYTHING OUT THERE.
I MEAN, IT'S, THIS, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR OVER A YEAR.
I WOULD THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN INFORMED OF WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO AND WHAT THEY SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T DO.
SO TO ME, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PUT ANYTHING IN ANY UTILITY BILL OR ANYTHING.
I'M JUST NOT, I DON'T HAVE A VOTE IN IT, BUT MY OPINION IS I THINK WE SHOULD JUST STEP AWAY FROM IT.
I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS BELIEVED THAT THERE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE HALL, AND I BELIEVE THAT EVERY TIME YOU WALK INTO A WALMART AND THEY TRY TO GET YOU TO WEAR A MASK OR THEY DO THAT, THEY'RE TRYING TO ENFORCE THE LAW EASY.
THEY'RE LED TO BELIEVE THAT THAT'S THEIR ROLE, BUT CLEARLY IN THE EO, THEY'RE NOT THE ENFORCER.
SO THERE WAS A LAWSUIT THAT CAME OUT FROM A SMALL CHURCH.
DID YOU SEE THAT YOU READ THAT ARTICLE, SMALL CHURCH THAT SUED GOVERNOR NORTH AND IT WENT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE VIRGINIA SUPREME COURT.
AND THEY DETERMINED ESSENTIALLY THAT THEY COULDN'T SUE GOVERNOR NORTHAM BECAUSE HE'S NOT THE ENFORCER OF THE LAW.
THEY'D HAVE TO SUE THE ENFORCER.
AND THEN IT ENDS THE QUESTION AS SOON AS THE ENFORCER OF THE LAW.
SO, WELL LIKE WALMART, WALMART FOR ONE, IF YOU WANT TO GET SOMETHING AT WALMART AND YOU DON'T WANT TO GO IN, WHAT CAN YOU DO? ORDER IT DO PICKUP.
IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT TO WEAR A MASK, THEY CAN CALL AHEAD AND WE BRING IT OUT TO THEM.
UM, OR THEY CAN WALK INTO THE FRONT OF THE STORE.
AND ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES GO BIG STORES THAT ARE HIT BY A LOT OF THIS STUFF THOUGH.
IT'S THE SMALLER STORES THAT WE HAVE A SMALL STORE.
WE HAVE A SMALL STORE AND MY WIFE, SHE WILL NOT LET ANYBODY IN THAT STORE WITHOUT A MASK.
AND IT'S, THAT'S OUR STORE AND IT'S OUR POLICY AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.
SO NOBODY'S GOING TO PICK THAT AND WE HAVE CURBSIDE PICKUP.
WE CATERED TO OUR CUSTOMERS, WE WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THEM WHAT THEY NEED.
AND SO ME PERSONALLY, I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE AND BE A PART OF ANYTHING, UH, ELECTRIC BILL OR WHATEVER ABOUT THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER.
UM, SO MAYBE I'M OPTIMISTIC, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THINGS ARE CHANGING.
AND LIKE EVEN TONIGHT BEFORE I LEFT TO COME HERE, THE CDC WAS
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PUT OUT SOME NEW GUIDELINES ABOUT STUFF OR WHATEVER.I, I, I'M HOPING THAT IT'S GOING TO JUST SLOWLY DISSIPATE.
AND, BUT YOU KNOW, I COULD BE WRONG, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, FOR OVERALL, WITH VIRGINIA, WE COULD MOVE FORWARD AND START DOING THINGS.
I AM CONCERNED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT OUR COUNTY HAVING WHY YOU SAID IT'S HIGH AS ANY OTHER PLACE.
WE JUST DID A, UH, ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THAT AND WHERE IT HAPPENED IS VERY SPECIFIC AREAS THAT, THAT HAPPENED.
WELL, YOU KNOW, MY PARENTS JUST HAD A NEIGHBOR WHO, 40 YEARS, NO, I WOULD SAY 50 YEARS, UH, LIVED RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, AND SO I DON'T HEAR IF, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE SAY THE MASK HELPS, SO SAY IT DOESN'T, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, WHY WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL.
IF IT'S, IT MAKES OTHER PEOPLE FEEL BETTER, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT THE POINT.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF THE MANDATE, I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S SOMEBODY WITHOUT THE AUTHORITY FORCING YOU TO DO SOMETHING AGAINST YOUR WILL.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
I DON'T WANT TO WEAR THE MASK.
I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY ARRESTED.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THE SINGLES ALL OVER ETHICS IN THIS COUNTRY YET.
BUT THIS IS WHAT THE COUNTRY I LIVE IN.
YOUR GYM, YOU HAVE TO WEAR MASKS TO THE GYM.
SO WE HAVE MEMBERS, THEY COME IN AND WEAR AT MASS.
RIGHT? TO DO WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANT TO DO, NOT BE MANDATED TO DO THINGS OR NOT DO THINGS.
YOU MADE THAT, SEEN THAT IN ANY, EVEN GOING BACK TO THE SPANISH FLU, BECAUSE WHEN THIS PANDEMIC STARTED, I WAS LIKE, WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE.
AND IN THE DOCUMENTARIES THAT I WATCHED, THAT YOU SAID THEY HAD SIMILAR ISSUES, PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T WANT TO WEAR THE MASK AND THEN THE CITY THAT JUST WERE LIKE, WE'RE NOT WEARING THE MASK.
AND OF COURSE IT WAS DIFFERENT.
IT ATTACKED DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHIC, WHOLE TOWNS, OR LIKE PRACTICALLY DOWN IN THE, WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT OUR HOSPITALS BEING OVERRUN.
AND BACK THEN THEY PEOPLE OUT IN FIELDS AND YOUR NURSE WAS WHOEVER CAME TO VOLUNTEER.
IT WASN'T EVEN REALLY A NURSE.
NO, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS A FAKE FACT OR SOMETHING THAT I'VE READ SOMEPLACE.
BUT I DID READ SOMETHING THAT DR.
FOWCHEE WROTE AN ARTICLE REGARDING THE SPANISH FLU AND THE CAUSES OF THE DEPTHS HE WROTE THIS YEARS AGO, THAT CLASS, MAJORITY OF THEM IS CLASSIFY AND COME FROM BACTERIAL PNEUMONIA FROM WEARING THE MASK.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE STANDS ON ANYTHING THESE DAYS.
I DON'T SEE ANYONE WEARING DOUBLE MASKS IN HERE.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AT THIS STAGE.
THE SCIENCE IS LIKE, EVERYTHING CHANGES ALL THE TIME.
YOU DON'T WANT TO, DO YOU WANT TO PUT ANYTHING OUT THERE OR LET IT GO? I JUST WANT TO SIT QUIETLY.
I MEAN, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF DOING ANYTHING WITH IT.
I WISH THERE WAS SOMETHING WE COULD DO ON THIS.
I JUST DON'T, I I'VE BEEN RACKING MY BRAIN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO AS A TOWN COUNCIL, UNLESS WE DID SOMETHING THAT REGARD THAT DEALS WITH THE CONSTITUTION AND REAFFIRMING CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I SEE.
AND EVEN THEN WHAT'S THE POINT OF REAFFIRMING CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.
IF WE'RE JUST GOOD CITIZENS AND WE DON'T ARREST PEOPLE FOR BREAKING CONSTITUTIONAL THINGS.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO START ARRESTING PEOPLE FOR A SECOND MINUTE RIGHTS, BUT WE STILL PASSED THE CONSTITUTIONAL SECOND AMENDMENT THING.
WHY DID WE DO THAT? WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THAT? IF WE ALREADY HAVE OUR SECOND AMENDMENT? SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE HEADED.
THIS IS A FIRST AND FOURTH AMENDMENT, RIGHT? ISSUE, UH, SEARCH AND SEIZURE ASSUMPTION THAT SOMEBODY IS SICK, WEARING A MASK.
THAT'S A SEARCH AND SEIZURE ISSUE BECAUSE YOU'RE ASSUMING SOMEBODY HAS SOMETHING THEY DON'T HAVE.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A CONSTITUTIONALITY THING UNLESS WE TAKE IT THAT DIRECTION.
I DON'T REALLY SEE IT HAVING ANY DIRECTION RIGHT NOW HERE.
I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR THAT I DON'T SEE WHERE WE GO, UNFORTUNATELY.
UM, ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S MOVE ONE.
UH, NUMBER EIGHT, UH, UPDATE ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND COUNCIL, MEANING ADVANCED MEETINGS.
MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE VICE MAYOR COCKROACH.
SHE ASKED WHAT THE LAST REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING WE COORDINATE WITH, UH, WARREN COUNTY OR HAVING A JOINT.
DAILY, THE MOORE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
YOU'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH A, SOMEWHAT OF AN AGENDA SIMILAR, BUT WHAT WE HAVE SUGGESTED,
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IT'LL PROBABLY BE IN MAY THAN JUST THE REASON WHY IT TAKES TIME TO PULL ALL US TOGETHER.UH, BUT BEFORE THEN WE NEEDED AGAIN, ANOTHER MEETING WHERE WE NEED TO DISCUSS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING TO THE TABLE.
UH, AND SO THAT WOULD ALSO BE PART OF OUR OVERALL ADVANCED MEETINGS.
WHAT WE WANT TO DO IN THE FUTURE OF THAT.
WHAT, WHAT DOES WARREN COUNTY PLAYER, BY THE WAY, IT WILL BE ANOTHER, JUST ONE DAY, EVENING, NIGHT, UH, THEN I THINK IT'S JUST EASIER TO COMBINATE ALL OF US.
SO THAT'S THE UPDATE AND, UM, UH, UH, DR.
DALEY AND I WERE GOING TO MEET AGAIN.
I WILL BE SENDING OUT SOME POSSIBLE DATES AS WELL.
CAN I LIKE THE SUGGESTION? YES.
IF THE DATES IT'LL BE IN MAY, UM, THAT'S ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UM, PUT, UH, WEEKENDS THAT THEY ARE FREE.
AND, UM, IF MAJORITY, WHOEVER IT IS, IF THEY DON'T MAKE IT, THEN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S TOUGH GETTING EVERYBODY AND ALSO REMEMBER PROM.
THE 22ND APPLE BLOSSOM, FIRST APPLE BLOSSOM.
IT'S THE FIRST WEEKEND IN MAY.
THEN YOU GOT TOPICS THAT I RECOMMEND.
THERE'S A, WHAT IS IT LIKE GOOGLE POLLS OR WHATEVER, CHECKING THEM OUT WHERE YOU SELECT THE DATES, LIKE YOUR FIVE FAVORITE DAYS TO DO THIS.
AND IT JUST PULLS THE TOP SELECTION, DOODLE DOODLE, DOODLE DOODLE.
SO WE CAN DO, I JUST DID THAT RECENTLY.
UM, SPECIAL BEDS ORDINANCE, UH, SPEAKING OF MAY 22ND.
SO THIS POTENTIAL, THE CLEAR ONE IS I FELT IT WAS NECESSARY FOR US TO BRING TO COUNCIL, JUST TO BRING YOU UP TO SPEED ON HOW WE'RE HANDLING SPECIAL DANCE AND, AND JUST MAKING DECISIONS WHEN WE SHOULD CLOSE MAIN STREET.
AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO LISA TO KIND OF GIVE YOU ALL WHERE WE ARE.
THIS IS VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS, SO I'LL TURN IT OVER.
IS IT ALYSSA OR ALYSSA? ALYSSA? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
APPARENTLY THE TOWN HAS A SPECIAL EVENTS OR SUBMITTING AN TO THE TOWN MANAGER'S OFFICE AND THROUGH THE TOWN COMMONS REPORT, THE PAVILION THAT WAS COPIED INTO YOUR AGENDA PACKET, AND THE PANDEMIC DOES RECOGNIZE THAT THERE HAS BEEN A CUMBERSOME PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO SUBMIT FOR A SPECIAL EVENT.
SO THE FOCUS OF THE TASK IS TO SEPARATE OUT THE SPECIAL EVENTS AND IT'S WHAT CATEGORIES THOSE SPECIAL EVENTS FALL IN.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE CLOSURE OF MAIN STREET.
SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE GOING FOR US IS THE LESSONS LEARNED FROM CLOSING MAIN STREET, AND THEN THE MEDIATION REPORT THAT WAS PROVIDED.
UM, THIS IS, UH, A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TOWN TO WORK WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THE CHALLENGE TO WORK WITH JLL, WHICH IS OUR DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATION.
SO ON JLL HAS A PROPRIETARY MATRIX THAT ASSIGNS POINTS TO EVENTS THAT ARE DESCRIBED THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND THE HIGHER THE POINT, THE MORE LIKELIHOOD THAT THAT EVENT IS GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON TOURISM OR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
SO IF THE EVENT IS FOCUSED ON COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S MORE OF A CHAMBER AND A TOWN FOCUSED.
IF IT'S TOURISM, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF JLL.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO MAIN UPDATES.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO GET YOU THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE NEW POLICY AND PROCEDURE BY APRIL 12TH.
IT'S A PRETTY AGGRESSIVE TIMELINE, BUT WE DO HAVE NIKKI WITH THE CHAMBER AND BETHANY WITH JLL TO WORK WITH TO GET THIS GOING.
AND I WANTED TO GIVE YOU TWO OTHER QUICK UPDATES AS WELL.
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THE TOWN IS ALSO GOING TO BE PURCHASING WAYFINDING SIGNS, AND THAT'S A HUGE BENEFIT FOR TOURISM AS WELL.YOU'LL SEE THAT COME THROUGH IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
UM, THOSE WILL BE INSTALLED TOWARDS THE END OF JULY.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS THAT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU ALL TO BETHANY WITH JLL, AND HE GETS YOU ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATIONS WITH HER BECAUSE WE'RE ESTABLISHING THE BOARD RIGHT NOW.
AND WE'D LIKE TO HAVE INPUT FROM BOTH GOVERNING BODIES OF WARREN COUNTY AND TOWN COUNCIL.
SO WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, MLA WITH WARREN COUNTY.
SO THE TOWN IS WE'LL BE BUYING WARREN COUNTY SIGNS.
SO IF THAT DOESN'T MATTER ANY QUESTIONS, SO WHAT I'M NOW REFERRING TO AS OUR SEASONAL CLOTHING AND MAIN STREETS THAT WE DID LAST YEAR, WOULD THAT, THAT SEEMS TO ME TO BE CONSIDERED TOURISM, OR DO YOU GUYS SEE THAT AS TOURISM OR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL, JUST FOR A CLUB? SURE.
SO THE BENEFIT OF THE MATRIX WITH THE SCORE IS THAT THE TOWN CAN TAILOR THOSE CRITERIA TO BE THE MOST BENEFICIAL FOR US.
UM, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THE CRITERIA IS AT THE TOP.
WE CAN GO AHEAD AND ESTABLISH THAT CRITERIA.
AND LET'S SAY THAT THE SCORE, THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF CLASSICAL POINTS YOU CAN GET IS 100 AND AN EVENT REACHES ABOUT AN 86 AND OUR THRESHOLD IS 60.
THEN AT THAT POINT, IF, IF IT SCORES AN 86, IT, WE DECIDE TO CLOSE MAIN STREET AT THE 16TH THAT MS. WARREN DIED IN DURBAN.
AND IT'S A MORE STANDARDIZED PROCESS.
I JUST WANT TO SAY, I'M REALLY GLAD WE'RE FINALLY GETTING TO THAT APPLICATION PROCESS, BECAUSE I'M SAYING IT'S FOR, FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW THAT THAT BECAME LIKE THE BANE OF OUR EXISTENCE AS WELL, BECAUSE IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE, UM, TO DIFFERENTIATE OR TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE EVENTS WE SHOULD DO OR SHOULDN'T DO, HOW MANY TIMES DO WE COMPOSE MAIN STREETS? SHOULD WE SAY 12 TIMES A YEAR, 24 TIMES A YEAR, WHATEVER.
AND SO THE FACT THAT WE'RE FINALLY GETTING TO A, UM, MORE METHODICAL PROCESS IN AND APPROVING THESE APPLICATIONS, I THINK IS ABSOLUTELY.
UM, I HAVE, I HAD A QUESTION JUST ON THIS, THE TAKEAWAYS, THE YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT THE LESSONS LEARNED FROM THE CLOSURES ON MAIN STREET, UM, HOW, WHAT IS THE CRITERIA? AND I THINK THOSE LESSONS LEARNED FROM THAT, I MEAN, CAUSE WE WENT THROUGH THIS, THE BILL'S IS REPORT AND THEN BASICALLY PUT THAT ON THE SHELF AND THEN OPENED MAIN STREET FOR ALL THAT TIME.
AND THEN WE COME BACK TO KIND OF THE EVOLUTION OF THAT CLOSURE SITUATION, ET CETERA.
THAT MEAN THAT'S GOT TO BRING SOME CHANGES TO THIS, THIS KIND OF THIS, RIGHT.
AT SOME POINT, IS THERE, IS THERE AN EFFORT IN THE FUTURE TO, OR, UH, SOME AT SOME POINT THIS IS GOING TO BE REVISITED AND THEN MAYBE REVISE, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THAT REPORTING TO HIM A WHOLE NEW WORLD BECAUSE IT DEPEND ON IT.
SO WE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF SPECIFIC VOICES HEARD ON MAIN STREET.
SO OF THOSE THAT WANTED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MEDIATION AND EVENT PROCESS.
BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE TALENT TO COLLECT THE VOICES OF ALL OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES WHO ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THE EVENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE OCCURRING.
NOT ONLY WHEN MAIN STREET CLOSES, THAT'S WHEN THE CAUSE EITHER WAS USED OR CONVENIENTLY TO USE.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THE LESSONS LEARNED FROM THE CLOSURES OF MAINSTREAM DUE TO COVID, HOW DOES IT PLAY INTO THIS? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF SAYING? YOU SAID THERE'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD, RIGHT? CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THIS VILLAGE COVID REPORT AND THIS HAPPENED LITERALLY FEBRUARY 25TH, 20, 20, COVID SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING DOWN.
I MEAN, WE'RE AT THE ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY, SO EVERYTHING KIND OF SHUT DOWN AT THAT STAGE.
AND THEN THAT MEASURES KIND OF REOPENED THINGS AND UH, YOU KNOW, ON MAIN STREET HAPPENED, THIS IN MIND IS LIKE FROM THE OLD WORLD, ARE WE GOING TO MAKE A VERSION OF THIS OR CHANGES TO THIS, THAT KIND OF TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT WE SAW OR DIDN'T SEE IN THE MAINSTREAM CLOSURE EXTENSION PERIOD DURING THE COVID PANDEMIC.
YOU WON'T, WE NEED TO DO MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT APPROVAL FROM THE INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR THAT WE HIRED TO PERFORM MEDIATION SERVICES.
AND SO NOW WE HAVE JLL, WE HAVE INTERNATIONAL FIRMS, THERE'S ONE FOR DESTINATION MARKETING.
THEY HAVE THAT EXPERTISE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE HAD, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE BENEFIT OF KNOWING THAT WE WANT EVERY VOICE HEARD OR WHAT THEY THINK SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THE CLOSURE OF MAIN STREETS AND HOW THAT AFFECTS JLL.
AND WHEN THEY SAY LESSONS LEARNED ALSO STUFF FROM OTHER TOWNS AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE AND THE TYPE OF EVENTS AND WHAT DRAWS, UM, CERTAIN GROUPS OR WELLS OTHER
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AREAS.SO WE'RE FORTUNATE WHILE WE COULD, NO, THE TIMING IS PERFECT.
I MEAN, WE HAVE A GROUP THAT'S EXPERT IN DOING THIS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE US A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION AND WISE AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN, BUT WE'RE RELYING HEAVILY ON THE JOINT TOURISM COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS THIS GROUP THAT WE'LL BE STUDYING BECAUSE BASED ON WHAT MEETINGS I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN, THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF THESE.
I'M REALLY OPTIMISTIC ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING FOR THE TOWN ON, ON A SITUATION LIKE THIS THOUGH.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, I KNOW I WAS JUST MENTIONING THIS TO MAYOR HO LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, COMMUNITY THINGS, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SAID, WHICH WOULD, THAT PROM WOULD FALL UNDER THAT OR THE MINISTER RECENT REQUEST THAT I BELIEVE THE OM IS GOING TO BE SENT TO TOWN COUNCIL ABOUT POSSIBLY LIKE A PARADE FOR THE TWO LOCAL HIGH SCHOOLS WHEN THEY PLAY.
UM, WOULD THOSE BE THINGS THAT HAVE TO GO THROUGH? WOULD THOSE BE THINGS THAT HAVE TO MEET ALL OF THESE CRITERIA AS WELL? I MEAN, CAUSE THEY, YEAH, ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO REQUEST IT.
SO THERE'S UM, MAYBE THE CRITERIA, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE RIGHT WORD OR NOT, BUT THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN.
YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE CERTAIN INFORMATION TO THE CHAMBER.
AND SO NICKY'S RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CHAMBER'S RESPONSIBILITY IS TO MAKE SURE ALL THE BOXES ARE CHECKED WHEN YOU SUBMIT AN APPLICATION.
SO THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO TURN A COMPLETE APPLICATION TO THE TOWN MANAGER FOR APPROVAL.
THE CRITERIA THAT I WAS FOCUSING ON AND THE MATRIX WAS ASSIGNING POINTS TO DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF AN EVENT.
LIKE LET'S SAY THERE'S GOING TO BE FOOD TRUCKS THERE, OR THERE'S GOING TO BE A FARMER'S MARKET OR ANY KIND OF PIECE THAT WE CAN PULL OUT THAT IT WAS SIGNED TO SORT OF A POINT THAT WOULD BE DEFINED AS A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT EVENT OR A TOURISM.
I WAS JUST THINKING LIKE THE PROM THING, LIKE THAT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO BENEFIT.
IT'S NOT, THERE'S NO MONEY KIND OF THING GOING ON.
IT'S MORE OF A COMMUNITY EVENT THAT, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING THEM TO USE THE SPACE THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS.
AND IT MAY NOT CHECK ALL THOSE BOXES, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN WE WOULDN'T DO IT, BUT WE WOULDN'T NOT APPROVE IT.
I JUST THINK IN GENERAL THERE'S EXPECTATIONS FROM, FROM US TO SUPPORT THOSE TOPICS CLEARLY.
NOW I ASK THIS WITH COUNSEL DEAN, YOU GOT ARRESTED TO PAY THE INSURANCE FEE FOR THE PROMPTS THEY HAVE WITH THEM.
THAT'S LIKE, WHAT $2,000 MAYBE? OR WHAT IS IT? 2,820 A HUNDRED.
I WOULD THINK WE SHOULD MAKE THE COVER $2,800.
BUT YOU DIDN'T SEND ME HAVE MONEY
UM, INSURANCE TO, WHEN YOU DO GAZEBO, WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT WITH EVERY SINGLE COMMUNITY EVENT COMING OUT OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST A DECISION, YOU JUST SAY, YES, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT BECAUSE IT'S THE HIGH SCHOOLS OR WHATEVER, LIKE YOU SET A PRECEDENT.
AND SO YOU GOT TO DO IT EVERY TIME FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL REQUESTS.
I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, ASKING FOR US TO HAVE LIKE, ALMOST LIKE A MATRIX.
REMEMBER I SAID THAT WHEN YOU'RE LIKE, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, BUT WE DID, BUT WE DIDN'T FOR LIKE COVERING, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT DONATIONS WHERE WE'RE DOING DONATIONS.
WE HAVEN'T SAID, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN HE MADE THE SITE, WE TALKED ABOUT DOING LIKE A MATRIX ABOUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO DONATE OUR MONEY.
IT WAS LIKE, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
CAUSE WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO EXPECT US TO DONATE THAT MONEY.
AND THIS COULD BE A ONE OFF, BUT WE'D HAVE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC, I GUESS IN THAT, JAKE, I DON'T KNOW.
THIS IS WHERE WE CREATED A SYSTEM TO DO THIS.
I TOTALLY RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT.
WHAT IS IT? THE SCHOOL SYSTEM THAT'S GETTING SUBSIDIES AND TAXPAYER DOLLARS PAY FOR IT.
WELL, TOM'S NEVER PAID FOR OUT OF SCHOOL ALWAYS.
I MEAN, I'M JUST MY EXPERIENCE HAVING PLANNED THE PROBLEM ON JUNIOR YEAR, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO SUBSIDIZE ANY EVENT AGAIN.
SO, I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST SAYING, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO BACK YOUR ARGUMENT ABOUT THE UTILITY BILLS AND TAXPAYER DOLLARS COMING OUT OF
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TOTALLY TO SHEA, YOU ARE TOTALLY RIGHT.YOU'RE RIGHT OUT THERE BECAUSE THE COUNCIL IS NOT GOING TO GIVE IT.
WE WOULD BE GETTING ARRESTED AT DOING THAT.
IT'S NOT THAT I'M AGAINST SPENDING THE MONEY.
IT'S THAT? I HAVE YOU, CAN'T JUST, YOU CAN'T JUST ARBITRARILY SAY I LIKE THIS ORGANIZATION.
SO I'M GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO SPONSOR IT ON TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
LIKE WE HAVE TO HAVE, WE HAVE TO HAVE A CRITERIA OF WHY WE'RE WELL, I MEAN, I'M WILLING TO DONATE PERSONALLY FROM PERSONAL FUNDS TO HELP ALONG WITH WILLIE.
AND I THINK IF MAYBE WE DID THAT, SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT WE DO, LIKE IF YOU WANT TO, OR YOU CAN DO SOMETHING, I THINK THAT REALLY NEEDS TO HAVE SOME, SOME HELP WITH THIS AS WELL.
LIKE I DON'T THINK HE WANTS TO DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW.
LIKE I ASKED Y'ALL ABOUT RESERVING.
THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT.
BUT I DID THINK ABOUT IT WHEN THEY SAID YOU GOT TO FILE AN APPLICATION.
I STARTED THINKING THE INSURANCE THING IS THAT WOULD BE, BUT AS CHRIS SAID, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE COMMITTEE CAN TALK TO THE SCORE ABOUT IT AND SEE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT NORMALLY IF THEY DID JUST THAT, CAUSE I KNOW THAT THEY DID SPONSOR OR WANT ANY PARTS OF IT LAST YEAR.
BUT LAST YEAR, THE LAST YEAR YOU CAN SAY, THEY'LL ACTUALLY COVER THE CRASH SALE, BUT WE'RE SAYING NO TICKET SALES.
SO THAT TAKES OUT NO, NOT THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY WANT TO GO IN HALF AND SPLIT IT WITH US.
THEN IF WE DID LAST YEAR, THEY DID IT AND TO DO WITH IT LAST YEAR BECAUSE THE EXECUTIVE ORDER DID NOT ALLOW FOR LARGE CROWDS.
AND THAT WAS THE REASON WHY THEY DIDN'T CUT IT.
THAT'S NO LONGER THE CASE THAT YOU CAN HAVE AN OUTSIDE EVENT OF A THOUSAND.
BUT YEAH, I DON'T THINK THAT THE TOWN, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE TOWN'S RESPONSIBILITY TO TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT FOR TAKE CARE OF IT.
RAISE THE MONEY OUT, RAISE THE MONEY ON THE PRIVATE SIDE HERE.
LET'S SEE IF WE CAN, WE CAN BE A MOUTHPIECE REALLY SUBMISSIVE WNI DOES THAT.
HE'S GOT $2,800 COME AND UNTIL HIM SEMESTER'S W NINE.
UM, I WANTED TO BRING UP A FEW THINGS BEFORE WE LEAVE AND I KNOW THAT SOMEONE TALKS, SO I WANTED TO TRY TO GET A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THE WORK SESSION, BUT WANTED TO BRING IT OUT HERE JUST A LITTLE, WE HAVE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT ALONG THE WAY.
SO WHEN WE GET THERE, MAYBE WANT A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATIVE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, AND THINKING ABOUT YOU, YOU GUYS KNOW HOW I AM WITH THE DRUG ISSUE, THINKING ABOUT THE DRUG ISSUE.
AND THERE WERE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT CAN FALL IN AND ROLL UP TO THAT GRANDER ISSUE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP LIKE VALLEY HEALTH PILOT, AND PERHAPS, UM, LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH PROGRAM OF SORTS.
UM, BECAUSE WE ARE SEEING THE INCREASE IN DEATHS WITH THE DRUG OVERDOSES TO FIND SOMETHING, JAKE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING I GOT BRIEFLY? I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT I HAVE CHALLENGED THE CHAMBER AND JOE L AND THE JOINT TOURISM COMMITTEE TO TRY TO IDENTIFY SOME EVENT AND SOMETHING THAT YOU KIND OF CAN START AND JUST, JUST GET OUT AND LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING.
SO HERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON SOMETHING.
AND THEN FINALLY WE WILL BE HAVING A POP UP BLOODS AND A CODE ENFORCEMENT LET'S HEAR RIGHT.
THERE WAS A BUSINESS MEETING, A JUROR.