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[Special Board of Architectural Review on January 28, 2021.]
GO AHEAD AND CALL TO ORDER THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW MEETING FOR THURSDAY, JANUARY 28TH, 2021.YOU DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THE MINUTES RIGHT NOW.
SO NEW BUSINESS TONIGHT, WE HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS, UM, 24, 23 AND 24 27.
SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE 24 23, WHICH IS ONE 13 EAST MAIN STREET.
UM, MR. RICK NOVAK FOR FIGHTER AND OWNER OF ONE 17 EAST MAIN STREET, UH, MORE COMMONLY KNOWN AS ROYAL CINEMAS HAS, IS PROPOSING TO, UM, NOT REPHASE, BUT REPLACE THE EXISTING MARKET.
WE'RE CLASSIFYING AS A MARQUEE SIGN WITH A MORE REVAMPED AND MODERN MARQUEE SIGN.
AND, UH, ONE THING TO NOTE, UH, IN HIS, IN HIS PROPOSED SIGN IS INTEGRATING THE PARK LETTERS, WHICH ARE STANDALONE PROJECTING SIGN CURRENTLY INTO THE MARQUEE ITSELF.
SO IT'LL BE, I GUESS, ONE SIDE IT'LL BE A MARQUEE WITH THAT PROJECTION ONTO IT.
SO THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
IT WAS FOUND THAT THE SIGN IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE 60 FOOT MAXIMUM SIZE FOR THE SIGN.
AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE AND THAT'S THE RECONNAISSANCE REPORT, IT SAYS THAT THE ORIGINAL MARQUEE HAS BEEN SUCCEEDED BY A SMALLER ONE.
AND SO THE ORIGINAL MARQUEE AND STANDALONE SIGN, OR THE NEWER SIGN IS MORE IN LINE WITH THE PREVIOUS SIGN THAT WAS THERE SPENDING ALONG THE ENTIRE FRONT WIDTH OF THE BUILDING.
I THINK THE MORE KEY STRUCTURE ITSELF MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT TALLER THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE AND OBVIOUSLY WITHOUT THE LETTERING, BUT IN TERMS OF THE PROFILE, IT'S VERY SIMILAR.
AND AGAIN, THE INTEGRATION OF PARKING TO THE MARQUIS ITSELF.
YOU CAN JOIN US UP HERE BETWEEN ALL THE MATH AND THE SCREAMING IN THE CHAIR.
I'M OVER THERE AND SIT RIGHT NEXT TO YOU.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE ON THIS? I BELIEVE IT WAS SUBMITTED PART OF THE, THIS IS PART OF THE SOD GRANT.
THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER FROM THE LAST, YEAH.
CAN I, CAN I JUST GIVE YOU MY ELEVATOR SPEECH OR WHATEVER? SO, UM, SO IN 97 I WAS HERE AND I ASKED, UH, TO PUT THE PERPENDICULAR PARK SIGN UP THERE THAT WASN'T THERE WHEN I BOUGHT THE THEATER.
AND, UH, ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THAT WAS TO TRY AND, YOU KNOW, BRING IT BACK TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT BLACK AND WHITE PICTURE THAT YOU HAVE THERE FROM 1930 TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE BACK TO THAT KIND OF HISTORICAL APPEARANCE.
UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY ANOTHER STEP IN THAT DIRECTION.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE BIDS ON A $25,000 SIGN.
THAT LOOKS A LOT LIKE, UH, WHAT WHAT'S UP THERE CURRENTLY.
UM, AND, AND IT WOULD BE COMPLETELY PAID FOR BY THE TOWN'S FACADE GRANT PROGRAM.
UM, BUT I REALLY BELIEVE IN THIS OTHER DESIGN, IT'S $50,000.
AND SO I'M STEPPING UP TO THE PLATE FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE, UM, AND WOULD ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU KNOW, APPROVE IT, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE THEATER AGAIN FIT, YOU KNOW, BE WHAT IT KIND OF WAS, YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE DAY.
OH, I ABSOLUTELY LIKE THIS ONE INSTEAD OF THAT ONE.
WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S VERY PRACTICAL.
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I, YOU KNOW, WHAT, IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE FACADE GRANT PROGRAM, THAT'S THE ONE WE'D BE DOING? HONESTLY, I WOULDN'T.WELL THAT'S AND THAT'S, I HONESTLY, WELL, FIRST OFF WE ALMOST MISSED THE FACADE GRANT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS LITTLE THING CALLED THE PANDEMIC HAPPENING, UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR BUSINESSES DOWN 86% FOR THE YEAR.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, IT WAS LIKE MOVE FORWARD AND DO SOMETHING GOOD FOR THE LONGEVITY OF THE THEATER.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, EVEN IF WE DON'T MAKE IT AS A THEATER, IT'LL STILL BE REALLY NICE.
WE WILL, WE'LL MAKE IT AS A THEATER, BUT, UM, BUT ANYWAY, UH, YOU KNOW, I COULD PROBABLY VERY EASILY GET THE OTHER ONE APPROVED, BUT I JUST FELL IN LOVE WITH THAT DESIGN AND DON'T GET ME WRONG.
WE TWEAKED IT QUITE A BIT TO GET THERE.
IT STARTED OUT A LITTLE BIT LOUDER, YOU KNOW, IT WAS KIND OF RED AND YELLOW AND STUFF, BUT, UH, ANYWAY, WE DIAL IT BACK A LITTLE BIT AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY NICE IF YOU GUYS APPROVE IT, THAT'S THERE, RIGHT? NO, NO.
SO KNOW THAT WHAT YOU SEE IN THAT BLACK AND WHITE PICTURE THERE IS NOT THERE.
AND HONESTLY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BOTHERED ME SINCE I BOUGHT THE BUILDING.
AND IF YOU GO OUT THERE, YOU'LL SEE IS WHEN I BOUGHT THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S THE BRICK, BUT THEN UNDERNEATH, IF YOU, YOUR RECON PHOTOS, IF HE, IF YOU LOOK AT HIS RECON PHOTOS, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE IS SOME VINYL SIDING RUNNING NORTH TO SOUTH ABOUT THREE FEET TALL.
THAT WAS BETTER THAN WHAT I HAD BEFORE.
BECAUSE BEFORE YOU HAD TWO DIFFERENT TRANSITIONS, TRYING TO DEAL WITH REMOVAL OF THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE LIKE PROBABLY AT LEAST THREE OTHER, YOU KNOW, MARQUEES ON THE BUILDING OVER THE YEARS UNTIL 1930 UNDERNEATH OF THAT, UNDERNEATH THIS AREA OF TUFTIN IT'S IN THE SHADOWS THERE PRIMARILY, BUT SO WHAT, WHAT IS UNDERNEATH OF THERE? UM, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAIN ABOUT, I DO KNOW THAT ON EACH OF THE STOREFRONTS, THERE ARE, UM, YOU CAN SEE THEM ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT BLACK AND WHITE PICTURE.
IF YOU LOOK THERE, THERE'S LIKE THE BIG PICTURE WINDOW, BUT THEN RIGHT ABOVE IT, THEY'RE SMALL PAINS.
AND MY INTENTION IS TO REVEAL THOSE, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS IT'S FAIRLY ECONOMICAL AND WE PEEKED AT THEM AND THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE OKAY, BUT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO, THEY WON'T BE WORKING WINDOWS CAUSE THERE'S CEILING, UH, BEHIND THEM.
BUT I THINK WE CAN PAINT THEM UP AND MAKE THEM LOOK LIKE THEY ARE AND BRING THAT DETAIL BACK TO THE BUILDING AS WELL BEYOND.
IT'S NOT ANY FURTHER OUT THAN THE, UH, CURRENT MARKETS.
AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE IN LINE IN FRONT OF THE THEATER, YOU GOT A LITTLE MORE COVERAGE IF IT'S RAINING.
OH, SO THIS WHOLE SECTION IS GOING TO BE REMOVED.
WELL, IT ISN'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BUILDING BENEATH IT.
SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH IT YET.
YOU KNOW? UM, AT A MINIMUM IT WOULD GO BACK TO THE VINYL SIDING JUST THE WAY IT IS NOW, BUT THAT'S NOT MY INTENT, BUT I KNOW I CAN'T, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UNDERNEATH IT.
IT ACTUALLY, IT WOULD GET BETTER BECAUSE IT WOULD BE HALF AS MUCH.
BUT LIKE RIGHT NOW IT'S ABOUT THREE AND THREE FEET TALL, APPROXIMATELY, UH, EXCEPT FOR UNDERNEATH OF THE MARQUIS WHERE IT IS A SHORTER VERSION OF WHAT USED TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT WE SEE THERE.
UM, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE ALL THE VINYL SIDING TO GO AWAY, BUT ARE YOU REPAINTING? YEAH, WE WILL REPAINT.
YEAH, ACTUALLY, UH, THE FACADE GRANT PROGRAM STARTED IN 2016.
I HADN'T BEEN HOLDING OFF REPAINTING.
IT WAS PROBABLY DUE IN 2016, BUT, BUT, UH, I WAS LIKE, WELL, WE'LL WAIT.
AND IT'S AT ONE POINT IT LOOKED LIKE THAT WAS MAYBE ALL WE WERE GOING TO GET TO DO, UH, AT INFLATED PRICES, UH, WITH THE CONTRACTORS THAT THE FEDS WERE REQUIRING US TO USE.
BUT HEY, IT FEELS LIKE THE TOWN, UM, KINDA DROPPED BACK.
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A LITTLE BIT AND UH, WE ALL ARE GETTING A LOT MORE DONE.NOW, PROVING THIS, DOING YOU TO MAKE A NOTE FOR ANYTHING UNDERNEATH THAT VINYL, LIKE WHEN IT COMES DOWN, LIKE IF THERE'S WELL IN, WE CAN'T, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT, SORRY.
HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT'S UNDERNEATH.
HE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UNDER PEEKED IN THE WINDOWS ARE THERE, RIGHT? THE WINDOWS ARE DEFINITELY THERE.
I MEAN, BUT TO GIVE, BUT TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, IT GIVE YOU AN IDEA ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
CAUSE I HAD TO DO SOME INVESTIGATION ABOUT, UM, I WAS LOOKING FOR THE STEEL TO MOUNT THAT TO, I REMEMBERED THAT THERE WAS STEEL THERE, BUT WE PUT THAT VINYL SIDING UP THERE PROBABLY 24 YEARS AGO, 25 YEARS AGO.
AND SO, UM, I HAD TO CONVINCE THE SIGN PEOPLE THAT IT WAS THERE.
SO WE STARTED TAKING DOWN SOME OF THAT VINYL SIDING TEMPORARILY.
WE DIDN'T REALLY PUT IT UP VERY WELL BECAUSE IT'S TEMPORARILY.
BUT ANYWAY, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THERE WAS A BUNCH OF, UM, UH, UH, TERMITE, INFESTATION HAD BEEN THERE.
AND, AND, UH, WE WERE, WE WERE AWARE WE HAD TERRIBLE, WHICH HAD TERMITES PERIODICALLY OVER THE YEARS, NOT FOR A LONG TIME.
BUT, UM, BUT ANYWAY, SO A LOT OF THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, DESTROYED, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT GOT INTO THE WINDOWS.
UM, THIS LOOKS LIKE A SOFFIT, BUT, BUT THEN THE REST, BUT THEN THE OTHER SIDE, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T ENCOUNTER ANY OF THAT, BUT WE DID A VERY, WE, WE LOOKED AT FOUR DIFFERENT PIECES OF IT AND DETERMINED.
THERE WAS LIKE A 30 INCH EYE BEAM THERE TO ATTACH THAT TO, UM, BUT THAT'S, AS FAR WE WENT, I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY, LIKE IF WE COULD KIND OF FUTURE PROOF.
SO IF YOU FOUND A CERTAIN SCENARIO, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK.
I MEAN, UH, SO I ASKED MR. NOVAK WHO DID THE BEST HE CAN TO RETAIN THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING ONCE HE UNCOVERS IT.
BUT YOU KNOW, HONESTLY OPENING UP THIS PROCESS.
THAT'S EVEN MORE EXCITING TREASURES.
I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CHANGED.
THERE WERE SO MANY YEARS I MAY WANT TO TAKE IT BACK AND MOVE ACTUALLY WHERE YOU'RE DOING THIS HERE.
IT'S VERY LIKE BOTH RETRO AND MODERN.
IS IT JUST GOING TO BE LIKE, OKAY.
AND THE PARK FEATURE, WILL THAT HAVE A LIGHT IN IT? YEP.
YOU KNOW WHERE THE PARK IS RIGHT NOW.
IT'S A LITTLE DARK SOMETIMES BRIGHTEN IT UP.
SO THE MOTION TO APPROVE AS INTENDED.
NO, I'M REALLY, I'M TOTALLY EXCITED ABOUT ALL RIGHT.
WELL, YOU GUYS HAVE A NICE EVENING.
WE'LL BE IN THE VERBIAGE HAS BEEN FEDERAL COPIED SO MANY TIMES INSIDE THE BUILDING LOOK STRONG HAND.
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ALL RIGHT.SO OUR NEXT APPLICATION IS 24, 27 FOR NEURO CLOUDS, CORRECT? UH, THIS ONE'S FAIRLY STRAIGHT FORWARD APPLICATION.
I HOPE I SAID I SUBMITTED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE 14 DOUBLE PAWN FIX OVERWHELMING, UH, WHITE PAINTED WOOD WINDOWS, UH, WITH THE EXACT SAME NUMBER 14 DOUBLE HOME SIX OVER ONE WHITE VINYL WINDOWS.
UH, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHICH WINDOWS THOSE ARE, THAT ARE GOING TO BE REPLACED WITH THE ELEVATION HIGHLIGHTING WHICH WINDOWS, BUT LOOKING AT THE HISTORICAL PHOTOS AND PHOTOS FROM GOOGLE MAPS, UM, IT'S PRETTY APPARENT WHICH ONES THERE ARE.
UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
THE ONLY REASON THEY CAME BEFORE YOU ALL IS BECAUSE IT BECAME YOUR MATERIALS FROM WOOD TO VINYL.
THEY'RE VERY, ALMOST VIRTUALLY SIMILAR IN APPEARANCE, LOOKING AT SOME OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE.
NOW IT'S QUITE DIFFICULT TO DISCERN WHETHER THEY'RE WOOD OR VINYL.
UM, YOU CAN, YOU CAN JOIN CAMPBELL'S WHO WOULD WANT TO SEE IT? YEAH.
BUT IF YOU'RE DOING IT EXACTLY.
IT'LL BE THE EXACT SAME AS WHAT'S IN THERE.
NOW, THIS IS THE ONLY SAMPLE THEY HAD TO GIVE ME.
I WAS TALKING TO HIM WHEN I CALLED, WHEN I CALLED AND I SAID, I'M LOOKING RIGHT AT HIM AND I KNOW THEY'RE WOOD, BUT IF THEY WERE VINYL, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE.
WELL, I GUESS I'LL START WITH, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF REQUESTS TO REPLACE WOOD WINDOWS WITH VINYL WINDOWS, AND IT REALLY PUTTING VINYL WINDOWS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
LIKE WE JUST CRINGE AT IT, BUT WE HAVE ALLOWED VINYL WINDOWS ON A CASE BY CASE SCENARIO, THE MOST RECENT ONE ACROSS THE STREET WHERE WERE LIKE A BUNCH OF WINDOWS.
AND WE CAN FIGURE THAT THE ONES ON THE FRONT, WE REMAINED WOOD.
AND THEN THE ONES ON THE REST OF THE PROPERTY THAT WEREN'T ON INTERMEDIATE STREET VIEW COULD BE VINYL.
AND WE'VE, WE'VE MADE, WE'VE DONE THAT A FEW TIMES WHERE WE, WE MAKE EXCEPTIONS TO WHEN THERE WAS MISMATCH, WIND IS ALREADY THERE.
AND I'M SURE YOU PROBABLY HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THEY'RE ALL ORIGINAL THAT ARE BEING REPLACED.
THERE'S TWO WINDOWS THAT WERE ALREADY REPLACED.
SO I'M NOT TOUCHING THOSE NOW.
FINAL ONES IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
YOU PROBABLY CAN'T SEE IT IN ONES ON THE SIDE OF THE KITCHEN WINDOW.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THAT AND YOU CAN DO, YOU CAN TELL THEM YOU ARE THE ONE TWO IN THE BACK AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE EXACT SIZE AS WHAT'S IN THERE.
NOW IS YOUR RESIDENCE THAT IS YOUR RESIDENCE OR IS IT AROUND? IT'S MY RESIDENCE CORNER.
I MEAN, WE CAN JUST KINDA SIDE BY SIDE BY SIDE, LIKE THE SIDE TO YOUR ADJACENT PROPERTY AND UH, UM, WE'LL START THERE.
SO THOSE WINDOWS WOULD, WHAT ARE THE HOUSES THERE? YEAH.
SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SIDE BY SIDE, LIKE THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, LIKE THOSE WINDOWS, IF THEY WERE VINYL, BOOM.
SOME OF THEM ARE PROBABLY THE SIDE OF
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THE, OKAY.AND THEN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE TOMORROW, A MORE MODERATE HOUSE BUILT IN THE SEVENTIES ALL THE WAY DOWN ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, BECAUSE YOU'RE HERE RIGHT NOW.
MY WINDOWS HAD BEEN CHANGED SO MANY TIMES.
IT WAS BUILT OUT OF A GUNDALOW ON BOATS.
UM, PROBABLY IN THE 1890S, MAYBE LATE 1880S HAS BEEN CHANGED ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND IT WAS PROBABLY CHANGED WHERE IT'S IN THE THIRTIES WITH WHAT I DID AT THAT TIME OR THE NEW, THE NEW WOOD ONE DOES.
I MEAN, I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT TOWELS IN FRONT OF ALL MY WINDOWS RIGHT NOW.
UM, WELL WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING, MAN? I'M, I'M FINE WITH THE VINYL ON THE SIDE HERE.
CAUSE WE HAVE TWO PROMINENT STREET VIBE, NOT JUST ONE START TO WORK CLOUDS.
IT WOULD OUTSIDE THE ACTUAL FRONT DOOR ON DISPATCHERS, BUT WOOD BECAUSE IT CHANGED IN THIS PHOTO.
I DON'T THINK THAT THE ORIGINAL NOW IT'S PARTIAL.
CAUSE IT'S LIKE A GOOGLE GLASS PATTERN.
I'M NOT SURE THE DOOR IS WIDE.
I
I DON'T THINK
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE HE CAME THAT I KNOW IT'S A SHAME WHEN THEY PUT, I JUST WANT TO REMEMBER HER FIRST.
REMEMBER I WAS IN HER LATE SIXTIES.
IT WAS RUN DOWN A LITTLE WALK AND SOMEBODY.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S PROBABLY ACROSS THE, FROM MY HOUSE.
I MEAN, IF YOU'VE GOT OTHER PIECES OF THE FACADE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN PRESERVED, DO WE WALK ABOUT LANDING A WINDOWS? AT WHAT POINT? WHAT'S THE HAND RAIL ON THE PORCH IN RAIL.
IT'S LIKE A, UM, LIKE THE PLASTER GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN.
SO THERE IS THE, THE AROUND
THERE IS NO BANISTER DOWN THE FRONT NOW CRYSTALS.
I MEAN, IN THE NINETIES THAT THOSE RAILINGS WEREN'T THERE THEY'D BEEN NEWER.
IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE.
AND I THINK IT WAS GREEN THEN TOO.
I THINK IT WAS WHITE AND GREEN.
CAUSE THE CURRENT OWNER GAVE IT WAS ONE.
AND WHEN I REMEMBER IT WAS NO ONE REALLY WHY HE WAS MORE LIKE A CREAMER.
WELL IT'S PROBABLY WAS ORIGINALLY FADED INTO THAT.
YES, I DID HAVE THE GREEN, BUT IT WASN'T THAT DARK GREEN ALMOST LOOKS LIKE.
I MEAN, IT WAS BLACK AND WHITE, BUT I MEAN IT'S SOME DARK BLACK.
I THINK IT WAS A PRETTY DARK GREEN.
WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE FROM HER, SHE GAVE ME THAT PICTURE AND I THINK SHE GAVE ME SOME OTHER PICTURES.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU LIVED THERE? A FIVE AND A HALF YEARS.
ONE SIDE IS VACANT RIGHT NOW AND I HAVE NEVER ONCE IN FIVE AND A HALF YEARS IN ANYONE OF THAT HOUSE, I KNOW SOMEBODY COMES AND GOES BECAUSE IT'S SLOWLY BEING CLEANED OUT.
CAUSE IT WAS,
BUT THEY HAVE NOT, THEY, THEY WEREN'T, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SELL TO ANYONE, BUT COULDN'T FIND ANYBODY.
WELL, I WONDER IF ANYONE'S COULD ACTUALLY GET IN IT.
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VINYL WINDOW HERE IS THAT WINDOW GETTING REPLACED.SO IT'S JUST THESE LARGE ONES, SMALL ONES, THAT LITTLE SMALL ONE ON THE BACK.
THAT ONE IS THE ONE FURTHER BACK.
IF NOT, CAUSE THAT'S THE NEWER WINDOW.
I'M NOT BECAUSE THAT'S THE BATHROOM WINDOW.
AND MY INTENTION IS TO ACTUALLY DOWN THE ROAD.
NOT RIGHT NOW IS TO REDO THE BATHROOM AND ACTUALLY CLOSE THAT IN.
AND I GUESS I'D PROBABLY HAVE TO COME BACK FOR THAT.
PROBABLY JUST LIKE A PANEL OR SOMETHING.
SO, BUT THESE WINDOWS BACK HERE, THESE ARE VITAL.
UM, OKAY, SO THAT FIRST ONE IS WOOD.
I'M PRETTY SURE THAT ONE'S VINYL.
DO YOU HAVE A COST ESTIMATE FOR WOOD? LIKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WOOD WINDOWS? I DON'T.
I KNOW WHAT THE VINYL COST IS.
I FIND THE DARK ON THE VINYL FROM KYLA LEANING TOWARD WHAT TO DO WITH THESE TWO.
AND THEN THE FRIEND TO ME, I WENT ON MY FIRST THOUGHT IS LIKE, YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT COST PROHIBITIVE FOR PEOPLE THAT MAINTAIN THEIR HOME.
I MEAN, WOULD, IT WILL GO UP IN COST.
AND IT SHOULD LOOK A HECK OF A LOT BETTER.
I THINK THE FRONT DOOR BEING AN OVAL METAL THING DETRACTS MORE FROM THE WHOLE, SORRY THESE WINDOWS WOULD.
I WAS GONNA ASK YOU TO CLARIFY THAT.
YEAH, TECHNICALLY I THINK FIVE THAT FACED THE FRONT.
I WAS EVEN GOING TO ASK YOU, CAUSE THE ONES UNDER THE PORCH, THEY'RE NOT EXTREMELY EASY TO SEE.
WELL, THERE'S A MIX ON THERE NOW.
THE DOOR'S NOT CLOSED ORIGINALLY.
PERSONALLY, IT WOULD PROBABLY LOOK BETTER AND MORE COHESIVE
AND THERE NOW ARE THEY GOING TO BE WHITE? YES.
SO ALL OF THAT IS STAYING AS WELL.
THE SIX AVAILABLE TOP AND THEN THE ONE SOLID ON THE BOTTOM.
SO MUCH OF THE HOUSE HAS ALREADY BEEN CHANGED.
YOU KNOW, WE WE'VE MADE A GOOD CASE FOR THAT.
THE VINYL ALREADY SO MANY MIXED MATERIAL, IT WAS BEING CHANGED BEFORE.
I MEAN EVENTUALLY THE PORCH HISTORICALLY WAS THE DOORS MAYBE MORE OF A STIGMA.
I THINK IT'LL BE, HAVE A MORE COHESIVE APPEARANCE AND REAL QUICK, DID YOU NOTICE THE RAPPING? AND I FEEL LIKE I MIGHT BE WALKING MYSELF INTO SOMETHING MORE.
I WAS GOING TO HAVE HIM WRAP THE WOODS.
UM, AND IS THAT ALL BEING APPROVED IN THIS? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY IF THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.
IF THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE, I WILL BACK OUT OF THAT.
I'M FINE WITH BACKING OUT OF THAT, THAT WAS MORE EXPENSIVE.
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YOU ON THAT.MY BROTHER'S A CONTRACTOR AND HE WOULD NOT STOP HOUNDING ME OVER IT.
THEY ALWAYS WANT THE GUY WHO'S AND AS MUCH REPAIR.
AND THAT WHOLE THING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT THE GUY WHO'S DOING IT HAD, HE HAD CAUTIONED ME.
HE SAID, YOU MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T PAY FOR IT.
I WILL LEAVE THE WOOD AROUND THEM THEN.
SO JUST THE INSERTS? NO, NO, I FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I WAS ENVISIONING EVERYTHING AROUND IT.
SO THE ONLY REAL VITAL IS JUST GOING TO BE ALL THAT STUFF WILL STILL BE THERE.
IT ALSO SAVES ME MONEY, SO, YEP.
I HAVE NOT NOTICED ANY PROBLEMS. I DON'T KNOW IF, WHEN HE TAKES WINDOWS OUT, IF YOU WILL.
HOPEFULLY NOT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE OUTSIDE THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN PAINTED.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN IN THE SIXTIES.
THAT'S WHEN THEY DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF ABOUT 70.
SOMEBODY HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN THERE.
AND I PLAN TO PAINT IT IN A FEW YEARS, BUT I'D PROBABLY KEEP IT THE SAME COLOR IF I KEEP IT THE SAME COLOR.
DO I COME BACK? OH REALLY? IT'S CHANGE OF MATERIALS OR DELETION OF WINDOWS OR A FEATURE.
AS A PURPLE HOUSE WITH MY STREET.
I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
MOTION TO APPROVE AS IS, BUT SHE'S GOT TO APPROVE 14 WINDOWS AS ADMITTED BY THE WRAPPING BECAUSE THE WINDOWS WILL BE WRAPPED.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 14 WINDOWS BACK ABOUT THE FINAL ROUND THEY EVER FABULOUS.
I'M ACTUALLY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
NO MORE NEW BUSINESS, ANY OLD BUSINESS FOR THE SPECIAL MEETING TO REVIEW THE TWO APPLICATIONS.
THERE IS ANOTHER APPLE IN FEBRUARY MEETING THE REGULAR MEETINGS.
DID YOU ALL GET THE EMAIL WITH THE MEETING DATES FOR 2021? YOU DID IT EMAILED EVERYBODY THE DATE? UM, IF YOU DID NOT EMAIL IT AGAIN, JUST LET ME DO BACK AND LOOK.
CAUSE I MIGHT'VE DISMISSED IT.
HEY, THAT HOUSE ON PROSPECT BECAUSE I LIVE ON STONEWALL AND HAVE WATCHED THEM REHAB THAT CAUSE IT'S LIKE BAGGING FOR MINE.
I SWEAR THEY DIDN'T PUT THE SAME SIZE WINDOWS IN AND THERE'S LIKE THIS PIECE UNDERNEATH THE WINDOWS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO ORDER CUSTOM WINDOWS.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M NOW, LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW HAS TO BE THE SAME BECAUSE IT LOOKS, IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD AND IT'S NOT WHAT WE APPROVED.
AND THEN WE'RE ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
IS THERE A RECOURSE? IF WE, I HAD ON THAT, YOU'RE NOT DOING WHAT WE ASKED.
THAT'S LIKE WE HAVE A BOARD WITH NO AUTHORITY TO DO ANYTHING.
IF THEY DIDN'T DO IT, I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS.
MR. WILSON'S NOT HERE, BUT I CAN GET ON THAT.
I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS SOMETHING ON STOP WORK ORDERS.
I CAN LOOK INTO THAT FOR YOU ALL.
WHAT ADDRESS EVENT OR WHERE? 24 TOWARDS THE CEMETERY.
OH, WE TOLD THEM THEY HAD TO DO THE WORK.
NO, IT'S A DIFFERENT ONE THAT ONE'S ON STONEWALL.
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ON THE OTHER, THE BLOCK.I KNOW WHERE SHE'S TALKING ABOUT AT THE WHITE HOUSE.
I MEAN, THAT'S AN, ANOTHER BRICK ONE DOWN THE STREET WITH THE GREEN ROOF GOING TOWARDS THE CAR SHOP.
I DON'T WANT TO LIKE 72 WINDOWS NOW.
UM, SO I LIVE ON LEE STREET AND LEE STREET RUNS PERPENDICULAR TO PROSPECT CEMETERY.
I REMEMBER THE APPLICATION NOW.
THAT WAS FROM LIKE MANASSAS OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, THEY, IT, AND THEY DID A BEAUTIFUL JOB.
I MEAN THEY DID, THEY DID SOME WONDERFUL THINGS TO THE HOUSE, BUT THOSE WIND DAYS LOOK SO BAD AND THEY DON'T EVEN OWN THE PROPERTY.
THE LAST I SAW, UM, IT WAS, UH, OR CONTRACT WHEN I LOOKED AT THE FOURSQUARE THAT WAS FOR SALE RIGHT NEXT TO THAT ONE AND TOWARD IT.
SO TECHNICALLY THE PEOPLE THAT CAME FORWARD FOR THE APPROVALS DON'T OWN IT UNTIL IT CLOSES.
CAN WE GET ON THAT? I'D HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE.
I'D HAVE TO, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AND GET THEM THE LESSON AND SEE WHEN IT'S DUE TO CLOSE COMPANY DOWN THE STREET WITH THE SHINGLES AND THEY PUT THE SHINGLES ON THE DORMERS, THE FRONT OF THE BOMBERS.
WE TOLD HIM THEY HAD TO DO WOOD AND THEY PUT ASPHALT SHINGLES RIGHT.
AND EVERY TIME I DRIVE BY I'M LIKE THOSE AREN'T WOOD SHINGLES.
I GUESS THE ISSUE BECOMES, SO THEY COME BEFORE US.
WE TELL THEM WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
WHAT RECOURSE DOES THIS BOARD HAVE? WELL, WE'VE RUN INTO THAT BEFORE SOMETHING ON ZONING NOTION.
ALWAYS GOOD TO THE PANEL, COUNSEL CRY AND GET THEIR WAY.
I'M TELLING YOU WHEN I WAS RUNNING OFFICER FOR THE TOWN, THERE WAS NO RECOURSE FOR THE BAR.
THERE IS A REAL THING WHICH MAKES US A POWERLESS BOARD.
DID WE CATCH IT? WE'RE NOT COMPLYING WITH THE PERMIT, BUT ANYTHING AFTER THE FACT, ANY OTHER WORK DONE? NO, IT CAN'T BE ALL OUR POSITIONS.
UM, HAVE WE HAD ANY APPLICANTS FOR THE VACANCY? ALL RIGHT.
WELL, WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.