* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. UNFORTUNATELY, UH, [TOWN/COUNTY LIAISON COMMITTEE MEETING] [00:00:02] UH, THE MAYOR WON'T TO BE HERE TODAY. AND SO AS OUR, UM, VICE MAYOR, WON'T BE ABLE TO EITHER. SO AS A RESULT, UH, SOUTH WILL BE HERE AND, AND, UH, AND SOME OF OUR OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL BE HERE. COUNCILMAN THOMAS THOMPSON AND COUNCILMAN, UM, FULLY. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MEETING. WAS THIS SOMEWHAT, UM, START OFF WITH JEN ITEM ONE AND THEN, UM, MOVE THROUGH IT. YEAH. SO BUILDING INSPECTION SOFTWARE. SO THAT WAS A PROJECT THAT STARTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO. THE CURRENT QUESTION I BELIEVE IS WHEN THE PUBLIC INTERFACE IS GOING TO BE THAT SOMEBODY CAN COME IN AND APPLY OR A PERMIT, AN ESSENCE APPLY FOR THE PERMIT ONLINE. I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR IT TODAY, MR. HENKE, HE'S OUT IN QUARANTINE AND WE TRIED TO REACH HIM WHEN WE GOT THIS AGENDA TO GET UP, BUT WE'LL FIND OUT WHEN HE THINKS THAT'S COMING ONLINE AND WE'LL SEND IT TO YOU. ALL RIGHT. I DID GET COPIES FROM THE PARENT LOGAN BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE PAST YEAR. AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE 30 YEAR HISTORY OF 40 YEAR. ACTUALLY. I THINK IT'S INTERESTING LOOKING JUST OFF THE TOP THAT THIS IS THE BEST YEAR WE'VE HAD SINCE 2007. AND, UH, DON'T SEE IT ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN TRACK THEM. IT'S BEEN A GOOD YEAR BUILDING PERMITS, NEW HOUSING PERMITS. I'M GOOD. I GET TO WATCH THEM ALL OUT. I CAN WATCH THEM ALL, ALL OVER MY NEIGHBORHOOD, NEAR THE HOSPITAL, THREE BUILDERS OVER THERE. THEY EACH HAVE, UH, THREE OR FOUR HOUSES IN DIFFERENT STAGES AND YOU CAN JUST SEE THEM MOVE THE CREW FROM ONE TO THE NEXT. THEN THEY GO AND THEY SELL THE HOUSE BEFORE IT REACHES THE BEFORE THEY'RE READY TO FINISH THE INTERIOR. YOU HAVE THE ACTUAL REVENUES ASSOCIATED WITH THESE MEASUREMENTS. WE CAN GET TO THAT. WE MAY, I'M NEW TO THE TOWN. DO WE WANT TO GO AROUND THE TABLE AND JUST INTRODUCE EVERYONE? BECAUSE I KNOW COUNCILMAN MULLARD HE'S NEW. WE MAY NOT KNOW EVERYONE. IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL START. I'M STEVEN HIGGS, NEW TOWN MANAGER, CHERYL COLOURS, UM, OR SUPERVISOR'S CHAIR FOR THIS YEAR. I'M WALT, BABE. I'M A SUPERVISOR FOR THE SHANNON DOR DISTRICT AND DAILY ADMINISTRATOR. VERY PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, WARREN COUNTY AND ELLEN LYNN DEPUTY. I JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE GET TO KNOW EVERYONE, BUT ALSO THE PUBLIC. PARDON? YEAH, THAT'D BE GOOD IF WE CAN GET JUST THE REVENUE AND EXPENDITURES TO EPC. UM, YEAH, LET ME TELL PROJECT QUESTION WAS ABOUT SCHOOL PROJECTS. IS THAT RIGHT? WE'LL PUT IT UP THE AGENDA ITEM THAT IT JUST TALKED ABOUT. UM, C JEFFRIES AND THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES COMPLEX, WHICH IS THE OLD MIDDLE SCHOOL, THE OLD HIGH SCHOOL, RIGHT? UM, TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, THE NEXT STEP THAT, UH, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES COMPLEX IS SCHOOLS WANTS TO DEVELOP A MAINTENANCE TO SELL IT TO YOU OVER THERE. AND I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE A CURRENT TIMELINE AS TO WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR THAT. DON'T BE BALLENGER ABOUT BOTH OF THOSE QUESTIONS. [00:05:01] THERE'S NO FUNDING ON SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW FOR ANY CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT THE COUNTY HAS OR AT SCHOOLS HAS THAT I KNOW OF. IT'S, UH, IT'S IN THERE RIGHT NOW IN TOWN. UH, CURRENT TWO PROJECTS WE HAVE GOING ARE FINISHING UP THE FIRE STATION AND THEN NORTH WE'RE DOING THE ROOF WILL WORK NORTH WARREN FIRE STATION. IS THERE A SPECIFIC QUESTION THAT YOU HAD IN MIND WITH THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THEN NO SPECIFIC? THIS WOULD MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED, UM, THERE AND ON THE TABLE ON THE TABLE, IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT THERE'S AN ACTUAL ECON PAPERS STUFF, BUT WHERE DOES IT, WHERE DOES IT STAND? BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM TO BE A DECENT AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT WHEN THE TIME DOES COME. IT'S GOING TO BE, I DON'T FORESEE AT THIS POINT, I DON'T FORESEE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE MOVING INTO THE CONSTRUCTION STAGE IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS. I WILL BE VERY SURPRISED IF WHEN WE DO THIS BUDGET, THIS BUDGET, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH, COLIN'S KIND OF CUT THE WHOLE BUDGET PROCESS A LITTLE BIT IN A TWIST. AND, UH, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT IT FROM A CONSERVATIVE PERSPECTIVE. AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ON ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION AT THIS TIME. I DO NOW WITH RESI JEFFRIES THAT THEY DID DO SOME RENOVATIONS. UM, I THINK THOSE ARE PRETTY MUCH DONE FOR SURE. CAUSE THERE'S NO, UH, WHEN I WAS TALKING TO THE SUPERINTENDENT, UH, HE SAID THERE WAS NO WORK PLANNED IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE, OR TALK ABOUT THE GYMNASIUM OR SOMETHING THAT HOW WE, HOW WE WOULD DO THAT. NO, THAT'S WILSON, ISN'T IT. I WAS GOING TO BRING THAT UP WHILE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SCHOOL AND BEING ABLE TO MORRISON THAT, HAVING A GYMNASIUM AND HIM THERE, A PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT BEING IN A LOT OF DISREPAIR, PEOPLE LINGERING AFTER HOURS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, LOOKING AT NIGHTTIME HOURS, NOT JUST AFTER SCHOOL HOURS. RIGHT. OKAY, PERFECT. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT. UM, WE MET, UM, MRS. OATES AND MYSELF, UM, ARNOLD WILLIAMS, DR. BALLENGER AND MR. GOODWOOD DID MEET ONE DAY. I MET WITH MR. WILLIAMS AS WELL. UM, SO WE, WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS THEN, AND AGAIN, IT, IT BOILS DOWN TO MONEY TO DO WHAT WE'D ALL LIKE TO SEE DOWN THERE. SO, BUT IT IS A CONVERSATION THAT HAS NOW GOTTEN STARTED BECAUSE OF MR. MICHAEL WILLIAMS VERSUS ARNOLD WILLIAMS, GETTING, GETTING THAT GOING. SO WE APPRECIATE HIS INPUT ON THAT, FOR SURE. HE'S SHOWING HIS PASSION A WHOLE. YEAH, THAT WAS ONE OF MY FIRST JOBS WAS WORKING AT EAGLESON MORE SO THAN I WAS 14, BECAUSE YOU COULD DO LIKE A WORK PERMIT PROCESS. AND I HAD TO CLEAN HIM AT SCHOOL AND THERE HADN'T BEEN A GYM THERE AT THAT TIME. OF COURSE, EITHER IT'S REALLY SUDDEN THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ONE AT IT. NO, I PERSONALLY THINK THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF DISREPAIR ACROSS THE BOARD. YEAH. THEY NEED MORE THAN JUST A GYMNASIUM. THEY NEEDED AN OVERHAUL OF SOME SORTS. MAYBE IT'S NOT MILLION DOLLARS, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A FAIR PIECE OF CHANGE FOR SURE. AND WE JUST GOTTA BE AWARE OF THAT BUDGET DOLLARS OR BUDGET DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, WRIGHT COUNTY HAS THIS, UH, DRAIN, I'M GOING TO CALL IT, UH, CALLED EDA LAWSUITS. RIGHT. AND I THINK UNTIL WE ARE NOT PUTTING MONEY IN THERE, RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON THAT BEFORE WE STARTED CAPITAL PROJECTS, BECAUSE THAT DRAINS ANY FUNDING THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE FOR LEGAL FOR A CAPITAL RATHER, RIGHT. AND WHILE, WHILE WE'RE HERE AND YOU'VE KIND OF BROUGHT THE SITUATION INTO IT, AT WHAT POINT DO WE STOP THROWING MONEY AT THE EDA WHERE THEY'VE REQUESTED ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND TAKE THE MONEY THAT IS BEING DUMPED THERE. IT SEEMS TO ME I'M OUTSIDE LOOKING IN, YOU KNOW, AND PUT THAT TOWARDS SOMETHING LIKE OUR SCHOOLS AND WHERE THE KIDS NEEDED AND THE RESOURCE THAT WE NEED TO LIKE GET DRUG COURT STARTED. AT WHAT POINT DO WE DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND AND SAY, WE WANT THIS TO JUST STOP. AND WE WANT TO START A NEW IN A FRESH AND SPEND OUR MONEY ELSEWHERE. WELL, TO, UH, NOT TO BELABOR THE POINT, BUT WE CAN NOT, UH, THE, THE DDA MUST REMAIN IN EXISTENCE UNTIL ALL OF THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BONDS ARE PAID. OKAY. THAT, THAT HELPS. SO IF WE WERE GOING TO [00:10:01] DECIDE TO DISCONTINUE THE EDA, THEN VALLEY HELL IS THE NUMBER ONE RIGHT NOW. BUT THE OTHER COMPANY, INDUSTRIAL COMPANIES OUT HERE WOULD HAVE TO PAY OFF THEIR BONDS BEFORE WE, THE COURT WOULD PERMIT IT. OKAY. THAT, THAT HELPS MY UNDERSTANDING. CAUSE AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I'M OUTSIDE LOOKING AT IT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL THE NUANCES AND THINGS. I APPRECIATE THAT LEAVES THE COUNTY KIND OF SITTING IN A CAR. RIGHT. EXACTLY. I UNDERSTAND WAY BETTER NOW THAN I DID BEFORE. IF WE DON'T, UH, IF WE DON'T PURSUE SOMETHING IN THE COURT AND GET SOME OF THAT BACK THEN THE COUNTY'S GOT TO PAY OFF THE WHOLE ENTIRE BILL. RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ONE IS ITEM THREE, PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE LIAISON COMMITTEE, MISSION STATEMENT AND POLICIES RELY ON THOSE WHO HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE. THAT WOULD NOT BE ME. I'M REALLY SORRY. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY JUST WENT THROUGH CHANGES TO HOW ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND WHERE SUPERVISORS ARE CHOSEN TO ATTEND THE MEETING RIGHT NOW IT'S ALPHABETICAL, BUT SOMETIMES THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE DUE TO SCHEDULING. IT LOOKS LIKE SOME ADMINISTRATIVE SORT OF THINGS, NOTHING MAJOR, RIGHT. AND AS A MATTER OF US DESIGN HERE, NOW WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. I, I PERSONALLY HAVE NO PROBLEM UNDER MEMBERSHIP WITH IT NOT BEING ALPHABETICALLY. IT MAKES SENSE FOR IT TO BE, UM, I THINK IT'S GOOD. A MATTER OF CHANGING ONE WORD AND THE MEETING SCHEDULE. DOES THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION. YES, SIR. DID YOU WANT THAT TO LOOK AT THE SECOND THE MEMBER TO BE THE, UH, THE, UH, DESIGNATION OF THE MAYOR OR THE CHAIR THAT WORKS FOR ME AS WELL? I THINK THAT THAT LETS THE LAYER OR THE CHAIR WILL ROTATE THEM AS THEY DEEM APPROPRIATE TO YOU. I GUESS MAYBE IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE THAT DISTINCT WORDING VERSUS THE WAY IT IS, WHERE MEMBERS SHALL ROTATE. AND THAT WOULD TAKE ANY CONFUSION OUT OF IT. YOU COULD JUST, THE MAYOR COULD SEND THAT THIS PERSON, UM, WILL BE ATTENDING THIS PARTICULAR MEETING. SO YOUR PANEL WOULD KNOW, AND THEN ON MY END IT WOULD BE THAT THE CHAIR AND THIS PARTICULAR MEMBER IS GOING FOR THE END, IT JUST TAKES THE CONFUSION OUT. UM, NOT REALLY ISSUE, BUT MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT IS IF WE LEAVE IT UP TO THE CHAIRS, THE COULD THE CHAIRS POTENTIALLY START ALIENATING CERTAIN PEOPLE FROM ATTENDING. IF THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DIDN'T NEED EACH TIME, THEY MIGHT ONLY DESIGNATE THE SAME ONE OR TWO PEOPLE VERSUS EVERYONE KIND OF HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO THE TABLE. I, I, I COULD SEE WHERE I COULD SEE WHERE IT COULD HAVE A MAN. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HAPPEN IN OUR CASE. I MEAN, WE, WE, WE TRY REALLY HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE TO DO IT. OH YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND. I'M JUST SAYING IN GENERAL, NOT JUST FOR US HERE, RIGHT THIS RIGHT NOW, BUT YEARS COMING, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE OTHER PEOPLE COMING IN AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD WORRY ABOUT WITH THAT IS THAT A PARTICULAR CHAIR OR MAYOR COULD SAY THEY JUST SEND THE THING TO PEOPLE ALL THE TIME. YEAH. I COULD SEE WHERE I COULD SAY ROTATION OF THEIR DESCRIPTION, YOU KNOW, DO WE JUST GO DOWN OUR LINE AND YOU PICK ONE AND IF YOU CAN'T GO, THEN THE NEXT PERSON CAN GO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WHERE DO WE STAND? I THINK THE ROTATION THING IS GOOD FROM MY STANDPOINT, PROBABLY WHAT I JUST MENTIONED. I THINK THE ROTATION STAYING IN SLATE WITH ZELL MAKES SENSE. YEAH. I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYTHING. CAUSE I, I DO BELIEVE RM THAT THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF MAKING IT SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT ALPHABETICALLY IF HE CAN'T COME, I HAVE TO GO TO B INSTEAD OF WHOEVER I GET ON THE PHONE VERSUS YEAH. SO THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. SO FOLLOW UP TO THIS WOULD BE JUST LIKE, YES, THE [00:15:01] TOWN STAFF HAS A DRAFT OF THIS THAT THEY WOULD PUT A FINAL COPY TOGETHER FOR BOTH WITHOUT GOING ON OUR AGENDA. LET ME JUST VERIFY THE ONE YOU HAVE. OKAY. ANY RATE REQUEST TO PLACE AN ITEM. I MEAN, DENNIS WOULD BE MADE, DOES A HOST AT A REASONABLE TIME SET BY THE HOST PRIOR TO THE MEETING TO HAVE A SPECIFIC, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOUR CLERK, THAT I KNOW OUR CLERK LIKES TO HAVE THINGS, BUT SPECIFIC TIME AND DATE, SO SHE KNOWS HOW TO PLAN AND THIS KIND OF LEAVES IT PRETTY VAGUE AS TO WHOSE INTERPRETATION OF REASONABLE TIME IS. I DON'T KNOW. DO YOU, DO YOU NORMALLY, ARE YOU HANDLING THIS OR LIKE THAT TINA? TINA HAS. OKAY. BECAUSE I WAS WONDERING, DO YOU KNOW IF SHE HAS ANY FEELINGS ON THE ITEM HERE? STEVEN MAY. YEAH. THE ONLY THING IS THAT IT'S SOMEWHAT FLUID WITH SOME OF THE ITEMS LAST MINUTE AND BECAUSE OF IT, I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD ESTABLISH COMFORTABLY A WEEK BEFORE. WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THAT? I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION IS WHAT, UH, WHAT SPECIFIC TIME TOO, BUT IF WE CAN, THAT'S THE CASE. WE, WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE TO HOST A REASONABLE TIME TO SET A HOST. WE CAN JUST SAY, WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND? I WOULD, AT FIRST I WAS READING THIS AND IT'S 1:00 PM ON THE FIRST TUESDAY OF THE MONTH PRIOR TO THE MEETING. AND I WAS GOING TO SAY ONE, 1:00 PM THE FIRST TUESDAY, THE WEEK BEFORE THE MEETING. YEAH. I THINK , WELL, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FIRST TUESDAY, THAT GIVES TWO WEEKS, THAT THINGS COULD COME UP, THEY WANT TO PUT ON THERE SO THAT THAT'S TOO WIDE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE TUESDAY OF THE WEEK THAT WOULD GIVE, BUT TUESDAY A WEEK AHEAD. AND THEN IF SOMETHING COMES UP LAST MINUTE, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE GOING TO BE DISAGREEABLE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT CAME UP ON TUESDAY, THE WEEK OF THE MEETING. RIGHT. BUT YEAH, TWO WEEKS OUT, I AGREE THAT THAT'S TOO LONG. THERE'S TOO MUCH STUFF THAT GOES ON IN BOTH OF OUR BODIES TO STRETCH IT OUT THAT FAR AND SAY, WELL, YOU CAN'T PUT ANYTHING. I WANT TO HAVE TO BACK DATE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT BEFORE THE FOUR CLERK, BECAUSE BOTH CLERKS HAVE SO MUCH GOING ON THAT, LEAVING IT, THIS VAGUE. I MEAN, SOMEBODY COULD COME IN THIS AFTERNOON AT TWO O'CLOCK AND SAY, I WANT THIS, THIS AND THIS PUT ON AND THAT'S JUST UNREALISTIC. RIGHT. OKAY. SO WE'LL SAY YOU REQUESTED HE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON THE GIN AND SHALL BE MADE TO THE HUBS THAT ARE HAD AT THE FIRST TUESDAY OF THE WEEK BEFORE THE LIAISON MEETING. RIGHT. PRIMARILY TUESDAY OF THE WEEK PRIOR TO THE MEETING. THAT'S PERFECT. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU GET IN TROUBLE? YOU START BRINGING THEM WITH TOO MANY THINGS. 10 MINUTES BEFORE, NUMBER THREE, DO WE JUST WANT TO SET A SET OF SAYING ON MONDAY OR TUESDAY, JUST GO AHEAD AND SAY TUESDAY, RIGHT? AND THAT GIVES US ALL TIME TO GET OVER IT. GET OVER, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND GATHER INFORMATION THAT'S ON HERE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE. ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU READY? NUMBER FOUR. YES. UM, I READ THIS EARLIER TODAY, UM, OR TO SAY IT MUST BE FIRST AGREED UPON BY A MAJORITY OF THE TOWN COUNCIL OR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. HOW CAN, HOW CAN WE SAY TO WHERE IF WE NEED TO PUT SOMETHING ON WHERE YOU CAN [00:20:01] PUT SOMETHING ON? I MEAN, THERE MAY NOT BE TIME TO GET EVERYBODY INVOLVED, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE EACH TALKED ABOUT IT. THAT MAY BE TIME TO SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS IT AT SOME POINT IN THIS OTHER WAY. I THINK WE COULD DO SIMILAR TO HOW WORK SESSION, UM, ITEMS, OUR AGENDA, WHERE YOU CAN ADD OR DELETE, YOU KNOW, TO SOME EXTENT IF THERE'S LAST, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IF THERE'S SOMETHING, THERE ARE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE JUST GONNA POP UP THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT. IT COULD BE EITHER OPEN DISCUSSION AREA WHERE WE BRING SOMETHING OR, UM, WHEN THE MAYOR CALLS TO ORDER OR THE CHAIRMAN OR SOMETHING, WE CAN HAVE A SECTION, ANYTHING TO ADD OR DELETE, AND THEN WE JUST ADD IT AND JUST HAVE A GENERAL DISCUSSION, THE BEST WE CAN. AND IF WE GET A MORE, A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN HERE WE CAN TALK ABOUT. YES. I MEAN, I KNOW THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT COULD BE SENSITIVE OR NOT SENSITIVE, BUT YEAH. UM, TO BE ABLE TO BRING SOMETHING FORWARD SO THAT BOTH PEOPLE, BOTH PARTIES ARE AGREEABLE LIFE WOULD BE GREAT. YEAH. I THINK THAT WOULD BE OKAY. DO WE WANT TO DO IT BY SAYING, UM, MUST BE AGREED UPON BY MAJORITY VOTE EXCEPT WHERE THAT WOULD BE IMPRACTICABLE? WELL, I THINK FOR THIS ONE, IT'S TALKING ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER WEEK THAT WE VOTED ON WHAT WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT, I THINK THAT IS ELIMINATING THE NEED FOR A VOTE FOR US TO GET SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA. WE CAN GET THAT PART, I GUESS, OF GOING THROUGH AND READING IT OVER AND VOTING HOW WE HAD TO DO IN PUBLIC. WELL, I, I, UH, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S WITHOUT VALUE. I THINK MOST OF THE TIME PEOPLE ARE JUST GOING TO SAY, YES, I AGREE WITH THIS. SO YEAH, I'M NOT ALLERGIC TO THE IDEA OF THERE BEING A VOTE WHEN IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT I REALLY AGREE THAT SOMETIMES WE JUST NEED TO REGARDING THE NEED TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA. RIGHT. I CAN SEE WHERE THAT THERE MIGHT POTENTIALLY, AT SOME POINT BE BROUGHT UP THAT TIMING OR SOMETHING MIGHT MAKE IT WHERE A VOTE TO, TO GET THE FEEL OF THE GROUP, TO THIS GAP THAT, THAT, THAT PARTICULAR TIME VERSUS PUTTING IT OFF TO ANOTHER WOULD BE A VALUE WHERE OTHERWISE YOU WOULD MAYBE HAVE THE OPTION OF DOING THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO WORD THAT, BUT, UM, AND I, I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING REALLY RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BECAUSE I, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY. THAT'S WHAT, IT'S THE MEETINGS FOR YOU TO COME TOGETHER? RIGHT. SURE. HOW ABOUT A NUMBER FIVE OR A SECOND SENTENCE UNDER FOR SOMETHING LIKE THE LIAISON COMMITTEE MAY AMEND A MEETING AGENDA BY AGREEMENT. THAT SOUNDS MEAN THE COMMITTEE ITSELF SAYS THEY WANT TO ADD SOMETHING AND THEY CAN DO IT. ALL RIGHT. SOUNDS GOOD. SOUNDS GOOD. SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. BUT I THINK OTHERWISE WE'RE KIND OF DEFEATING THE CALLS ARE COMING TOGETHER TO DISCUSS THAT. NOW, WOULD WE ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT IS BROUGHT FORTH BY EITHER THE MAYOR OR THE CHAIR THAT WAY WE AT LEAST KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM I'VE TALKED TO THE CHAIR OR TALK TO THE MAYOR BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I JUST CAN'T SAY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND THEN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE. YEAH. I THINK, I THINK HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO, TO BRING UP SOMETHING THAT MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE MS. CHERYL DOESN'T KNOW, OR I'M SORRY, CHAIR. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I'M FINE. MAYBE, MAYBE SHE DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND YOU BRING IT OUT BECAUSE WHAT IT, MAYBE SHE JUST DOESN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE MAYBE IT'S JUST UGLY, BUT SHE DOESN'T TALK ABOUT IT. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE TALK ABOUT IT AS A LAYER OF CENTER OF SOME SORT TO IT. AND I, I GET THAT BECAUSE IT'S, IT WOULD SEEM LIKE IF YOU BROUGHT IT TO ME AND I WAS OVER MINE. NOPE. NOT GOING TO DO THAT. THEN I'VE, I'VE KIND OF TAKEN CHARGE OF THE FACT OF YOUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH HERE. AND I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT EITHER. SO I THINK KIND OF THE WAY IT IS, WELL, THERE JUST MAY BE A TIME THAT YOU SPARKED YOUR SCHOOL. I MEAN, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT YOU CAME AND SAID, I'D LIKE TO DO THIS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF I SAID NO AND NO GOOD REASON OTHER THAN JUST NO, NO, I WILL. I AGREE. WE HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP SO WE CAN DO THAT. [00:25:01] BUT IF I DID, THEN I'M SQUELCHING WITH THIS MEETING TO ME, IT'S ABOUT NEITHER ONE OF YOU COULD WELL, SOMETHING, UNLESS YOU DID IT BY SAYING I DISAGREE AND THEN YOU HAVE TO DO THAT AT THE MEETING. OKAY. YEAH. AND ALSO, LET ME JUST THROW IT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. CAUSE UH, I KNOW COUNCILMAN LOYD, HE HAD A SITUATION WHERE TALKED ABOUT AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS COMING UP AND, YOU KNOW, OPEN DISCUSSION SHOULD ALSO BE THE OPPORTUNITY. SHOULD THERE BE AN AREA WHERE SOMEONE DOES WANT TO BRING SOMETHING UP? THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S WIDE OPEN, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING, HOW YOU DEFINE THAT. SO EVEN IF WE DIDN'T ADD WHAT, UH, DR. DALEY SAID, IT'S STILL, YOU CAN ALWAYS BRING UP A KIND OF A SPIT BALL DISCUSSION POINT THAT MAY BE OF A CONCERN OR AN ISSUE. AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN GET THE TEMPERATURE OF HOW WE FEEL ABOUT IT. IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT EACH MEMBER AND BOARD OF SUPERVISOR WOULD HAVE TO TAKE BACK AND SAY, I PROP THIS UP OR BRING IT UP. I'M ALWAYS CAUTIOUS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN I GO ABOUT ASSESSING POLICIES OR, OR PUTTING INCOME PAPER, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD MAKE THE DECISIONS TODAY. UM, BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL ARE UNDERSTANDING OUR INTENTIONS. WE JUST DON'T KNOW FIVE YEARS FROM NOW HOW THE RELATIONSHIPS WILL BE WITH, UH, COUNSEL FOR. SO I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THE OPEN DISCUSSION KEEPS A LOT OF THINGS OPEN. AND WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE? WOULD, UH, WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH THAT AND BRINGING IT UP? SO I THINK IT HELPFUL, UH, COUNCILMAN ANNOYED, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GAVE YOUR REPORT, THAT WAS APPROPRIATE. JUST APPALL OUT THAT I'M SAYING NOT ADDING FIVE, IT JUST, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT TOO FORMAL THAT WE CAN'T BE INFORMED. RIGHT. ARE THESE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES LOOKED AT EVERY YEAR AND UPDATED OR AMENDED YEARLY, OR IS THIS ONCE THEY'RE SET? THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH UNLESS SOMEBODY BRINGS THEM UP FIVE YEARS FOR REVIEW TYPE THING. RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S HOW IT IS. JUST LIKE, IF SOMEBODY COMES WITH SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED OR THEY WANT CHANGE, THEN IT GETS BROUGHT FORWARD. OTHERWISE IT WOULD JUST BE IN THE BACKGROUND. RIGHT. BECAUSE MY THOUGHT WAS TO, TO ALLEVIATE THAT PROBLEM WAS IF THERE WAS A YEARLY REVIEW, THEN EACH YEAR IT COULD BE AMENDED TO, TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEW THOUGHTS OF THE NEW PEOPLE ON THE COUNCIL OR WHATEVER. JUST, JUST THE THOUGHT. I KNOW, I THINK WE DO THAT AT OUR FIRST MEETING OF THE YEAR, WHEN WE DO THE ELECTION OF OFFICERS, WE REVIEW OUR POLICIES AND WE VOTE ON IT. SO JUST A THOUGHT TO TAKE THAT PART INTO CONSIDERATION. SO WE'LL KIND OF JUST KEEP OPEN DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT. WE WANT TO HAVE THE SENTENCE RENEWAL. I LIKED IT. THEN I KIND OF DID TOO. THEN WE COULD TAKE IT BACK TO BOTH ROOFS, SEE WHAT THE FEEL IS FOR THAT. OKAY. AND ONCE IT COMES BACK TO US, WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND SEND IT BACK. JUST WE WALKED IT BACK AND FORTH. IT'S A REALLY SIMPLE SENTENCE. THE IDEA IS SIMPLE. KEEP IT AS SIMPLE AS WE CAN. SO ITEM FOUR, UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, LAURA, LORI COCKWELL. SHE SUGGESTED THAT, UH, THAT WE GET TOGETHER. UM, ON OCCASIONS WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED HOW OFTEN, BUT AS A GROUP, A JOINT KIND OF GATHERING JUST TO DISCUSS ISSUES IN GENERAL, UH, I WOULD THINK OF PRETTY MUCH BE LIKE A LIAISON TYPE OF DISCUSSION, BUT ON STEROIDS IN A GOOD WAY. SO SHE, SHE, UH, THOUGHT AS WELL AS OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR US TO GET TOGETHER IF IT'S EVERY SIX MONTHS OR QUARTERLY OR, UH, YOU KNOW, RIGHT BEFORE WE REALLY START DOING OUR BUDGETS OR ANYTHING THAT WE FEEL THAT WOULD BENEFIT US AS A, AS A, AS A TOWN AND COUNTY. RIGHT. CAUSE HE WAS LOOKING FOR, UM, VISION BETWEEN THE TWO BODIES OF WHERE WE WANT OUR COMMUNITY TO GO AND IT'S BEING SORT OF A STEERING COMMITTEE. AND THEN OF COURSE, AS MAKING OUR GOALS AND OUR DECISIONS BASED UPON, DOES THIS GO BACK TO OUR VISION, DOES THIS TIE IN WITH OUR VISION OR GOALS FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND, UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL AND STARTING SOME OF THIS HEALING PROCESS THAT WE VERY MUCH NEED. [00:30:02] NO, NO, I, I, I AGREE. I THINK, UM, I THINK I W I DON'T KNOW WHAT HER THOUGHTS ARE, UH, TOO MUCH, BUT, UM, AND I, I KINDA FEEL LIKE I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT CASUAL WHERE, UM, IT'S MORE LIKE BREAKING BREAD TOGETHER. YES. AND NOT SITTING AROUND A TABLE LIKE WE ARE NECESSARILY NOW, BUT MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, JUST TO COMING TOGETHER, BREAK BREAD, AND THEN SHARE IDEAS OF WHAT OUR COMBINED EFFORT IS, AND THE FACT THAT WE DO NEED IN ORDER TO HEAL THE COMMUNITY, YOU HAVE TO HEAL TOGETHER. AND SO I, I AGREE YOUR THOUGHTS. WELL, THE MORE THAT WE GET TOGETHER, THE EASIER IT'S GOING TO BECOME, WHAT LATER DOWN THE ROAD, I'M, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE GET TOGETHER MONTHLY FOR A SHORT PERIOD FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. RIGHT. AND THEN AT THAT TIME, SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE, WHEN THINGS ARE WORKING BETTER THAN THEY WERE, OR HAVE, OR ARE WE GO TO TWO MONTHS, RIGHT. OR, YOU KNOW, AND THEN FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, MAYBE IT'S ONLY EVERY THREE MONTHS, BUT DURING THAT TIME, WE HAVE WORKED A RELATIONSHIP TO WHERE WE UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER, WE HAVE THE SAME VISION AND IT MAY TAKE US A YEAR TO DO THAT. RIGHT. AND IF IT DOES, IT DOES. RIGHT. BUT IF IT DOESN'T, WE HAVE ESTABLISHED UNITY BETWEEN THE TOWN UNION ACCOUNT. I AGREE. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD DO FULL COUNCIL, FULL BOARD INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, TWO HERE AND TWO THERE. I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GET EVERYBODY IN THE SAME SPACE AND REALLY START WORKING ON THAT TOGETHER. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT GETTING ALL OF US TOGETHER AT ONE TIME WOULD WORK RIGHT OFF THE BAT. WE HAVE TO WORK SMALL TO GET BIG SO WE CAN GET ONE. WELL, MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS WHEN YOU SAID EVERY MONTH, I'M LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR BUDGET SCHEDULE LOOKS LIKE, BUT I DO OURS WHEN WE CAN GET STARTED ON THAT. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, BEING THE BUDGET AND I, I WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT IT OFF BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, ANYTHING ELSE, SHE PUT IT ALL, HE PUT IT OFF AND THEN IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. BUT, UM, I DO WANT US TO BE AWARE THAT THAT'S A PRETTY HEAVY SCHEDULE WITH WORKING ON BUDGET. AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR WHAT'S YOUR BUDGET SESSIONS LIKE WORKING ON THAT. BUT, UM, OURS ARE UNTIL WE GET IT A LITTLE MORE WHERE WE'RE PRETTY STRONG OUT THERE ON MEETINGS AND THINGS. SO, AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE ANYBODY FEEL OVER-STRESSED BY MEETINGS SO THAT WE ALL COME IN. YEAH. WELL THAT, OR JUST, YOU KNOW, ALREADY ON NERVES, BECAUSE YOU ARE STRESSED WITH ALL THE THINGS I'D LIKE FOR IT TO BE A GATHERING OF REAL, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF RELAXATION THERE. YEAH. UM, SO, AND THERE AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE IT BACK TO YOUR BOARD AND SEE, AND SO THE WE, AND PLAN IN THERE A MONTH THAT WE COULD MAYBE TARGET ANYBODY, ONE SUGGESTION, YOU TO THINK ABOUT, UH, SEVERAL QUESTIONS ON HERE REGARDING SCHOOLS AND THAT, THAT WE REALLY CAN'T ANSWER FOR THEM. MAYBE YOU OUGHT TO HAVE A THREE WAY MEETING SOME NIGHT, JUST, JUST PLANNING ONE MEETING RIGHT NOW WITH THE SCHOOLS AND THE COUNCIL AND THE BOARD, AS MANY AS WERE ABLE TO COME, WHATEVER DATE IT SET, THEN YOU TRY TO GET AS MANY AS YOU CAN JUST TO SHARE INFORMATION AND TALK FOR A LITTLE WHILE ABOUT THINGS. AND THEN YOU DECIDE WHEN YOU WANT TO HAVE A DOG, EVERYBODY CAN'T COME, START OUT SMALL AND PEOPLE THAT MAY BE RELUCTANT FOR WHATEVER REASON. AND THEN WHEN THEY FIND OUT HOW HOPEFULLY, WELL IT WENT WELL, NO, I'LL MAKE A LITTLE MORE EFFORT TO HIT THEM SEPARATE ONE, MAYBE. SO, YEAH, THAT SOUNDS GREAT. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. WE ALSO HAVE TO ACTUALLY SIT DOWN AND THINK ABOUT WHAT OUR VISION IS GOING TO BE BRAINSTORMING AND BRAINSTORMING AND PUTTING SOMETHING DOWN TO PAPER. SO THAT NEXT MEETING MAY BE NOT ONLY THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, IT COULD BE SITTING DOWN THAT VISION OR PART OF THE DR. DAILY. YOU'VE DONE THIS A WHOLE BUNCH OF TIMES. I THINK YOU HAVE TWO PARALLEL TRACKS THERE. ONE IDEA IS TO HAVE A GROUP MEETING YEAH. INCLUDING SCHOOLS AND JUST SHARE ITEMS AND WHAT'S GOING [00:35:01] ON AND WHAT YOUR ISSUES ARE MORE OF AN, JUST AN INFORMATION SHARING AND THEN SEPARATE TO BE SCHEDULED AFTER THIS WOULD BE A SESSION TO HAVE A JOINT TOWN AND COUNTY VISION DISCUSSION. I WOULD MAKE THEM SEPARATE. I WOULD HAVE ONE JUST SO EVERYBODY GETS A LAY OF THE LAND. I AGREE, WHICH IS FIRST, I WOULDN'T HAVE THE SCHOOL'S GOALS ARE YOUR MOST IMPORTANT THING, OUR KIDS GOING ON. AND, UH, I THINK HAVING A MEETING, DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO GO ON WITH RESY JEFFRIES? I AIN'T GONNA ASK THEM, ARE THERE, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT WILSON, YOU CAN, YOU CAN ASK THEM AND, UH, THEY CAN TELL YOU WHAT THEIR ISSUES ARE. WHAT DO WE NEED TO DECIDE NOW, JUST IF YOU WANT TO PROCEED IN THAT MANNER, OR IF YOU WANT TO JUST HAVE A JOINT VISION MEETING, AND I WOULD ONLY SCHEDULED ONE MEETING FOR THE TIME BEING 10 STUFF, THEN SEPARATE YOUR OTHER MEETINGS LATER. I THINK THAT THE FIRST ONE THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THIS SCHOOL IS THE COUNCIL AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS GETTING TOGETHER AND TALKING. CAUSE I THINK SOME OF OUR VISION IS GOING TO COME OUT OF THAT MEETING AS WELL, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO INCLUDE OUR KIDS. AND THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THEM IN THE FUTURE WITH THAT. YEAH. I HAVE TO START THE COMMUNICATION BEFORE YOU START THE VISION. EXACTLY. YEAH. SEE WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE WANT TO GO. SO YEAH, I THINK, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A MEETING WHERE, SO I THINK JUST HAVING IT WITH NO EXPECTATIONS OF ANYTHING EXCEPT COMING TOGETHER AND HAVING A CONVERSATION OF, YOU KNOW, AND SINCE YOU DO HAVE QUESTIONS, THAT WOULD BE ONE THING, YOU KNOW, THAT WE COULD LET THE SCHOOL KNOW THAT THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION MAY BE ASKING WHERE THEY ARE WITH PROJECTS AND SO FORTH. WE WOULD CREATE SOME TYPE OF AN AGENDA LIKE CAPITAL PROJECTS BECAUSE THAT TRIAL ON NOW. SO WHENEVER WE DECIDE BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING TONIGHT, THAT'S WHEN THAT FIRST DAY IS THAT A FAIR, NO, THIS IS THE LIAISON COMMITTEE, THE NEXT MEETING, YOU'RE GOING TO SIT HERE AS THE LIAISON COMMITTEE. THIS IS GOING TO BE A SEPARATE MEETING THAT MR. HICKS AND I WILL GET TOGETHER AND SEE WITH DR. BALLENGER ABOUT WHAT DATES MIGHT BE AVAILABLE OR THE BOARD AND THE COUNCIL AND THE SCHOOL BOARD, SOME THINGS TO LOOK AT WHEREVER WE GET A MAJORITY. RIGHT. HE DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF SPARE TIME. YEAH. SO THAT WILL COME FROM THAT. THEN WE'LL JUST BE THERE WHEN THEY TELL US, YEAH, IT WORKS. WE'LL ASK ALL THREE BOARDS, WHAT ITEMS THEY WANT TO PUT ON THERE, JUST AS GENERAL TOPICS. SO THIS ONE, UM, COUNSELOR, PAT, AND HE, UH, HE EXPRESSED, UH, HOW WE CAN REVISIT ALLOWING, UH, LODGE AND TAX CLERK AND THE TERRORISM AS IT PERTAINS TO, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AND, AND THE DISCUSSION IS, YOU KNOW, WE GET, IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PROMOTE TOURISM AND VISITORS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO KIND OF ACCOMMODATE THEM AS WELL AS TO, UH, TO MAKE IT, UM, COST EFFECTIVE FOR FAMILIES TO COME TO THE, TO THE AREA. AND SO MY UNDERSTANDING THERE, THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE TO SOME EXTENT, AND THERE'S BEEN SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF THE COMING AND GOING OF, OF VISITORS IN A, IN A NEIGHBORHOOD OR A COMMUNITY, NOT KNOWING WHO'S GOING TO BE IN ONE, ONE DAY AND WHO'S GOING TO BE THE OTHER WEEKEND AND, YOU KNOW, AND, BUT THERE'S ALSO BEEN SOME SUCCESS STORIES AS WELL. AND SO THE QUESTION ALSO WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WOULD MOORE COUNTY, UM, BE ABLE TO ENTERTAIN THE THOUGHT OF DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, OR, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ONE OF THOSE GOOD, YOU KNOW, RELATIONSHIP, UH, DISCUSSIONS, OR SHOULD IT BE JUST, UM, IF THE CITIZENS, UH, OR PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE, BUT JUST IN FRONT ROYAL, IF WE WERE TO JUST TO DO IT. AND SO THE DISCUSSION IS, WOULD THIS BE SOMETHING AS A, AS A GROUP, WE WOULD, WE WOULD BRING THIS EVEN A LITTLE BIT, UH, HAVE A DEEPER DISCUSSION IN EACH BOARD, UH, KIND OF CONSIDER THIS. UH, I THINK A LOT OF IT IS WE'VE, IT'D BE INTERESTING [00:40:01] TO KNOW, UM, SOME OF THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION, UH, YOU KNOW, AND WHERE WE AS A COMMUNITY STAND WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, SHORT-TERM RENTALS OR VACATION HOMES OR, OR FOR VISITORS. SO, UH, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP OUTSIDE THE TOWN LIMITS AS SHORT-TERM RENTAL NEEDS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE COUNTY. AND FROM WHAT THE ASSESSOR TOLD ME, THEY DO CHARGE THE I'M TALKING BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE SAME AS THEY DO AT A MOTEL, BUT IT IS ALLOWED. THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING, OH, WELL, I, I KNOW SHE'S COLLECTING IT. AND WE DO ISSUE A PERMIT. WELL, CAUSE WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING WHEN ANYBODY WANTS TO HAVE ONE. AND, UH, AS YOU POINTED OUT HERE, UH, NEIGHBORS HAVE QUESTIONS AND WANT TO KNOW AND SO FORTH, BUT WE DO HAVE A SPECIFIC CONDITIONS THAT ARE PUT ON FOR THEIR USE. MISS, UH, COSMIN BADNESS CONCERN IS THAT THAT FRAMEWORK IS TO BURN SOME PEOPLE, THEIR HOMES FOR AIRBNB SPECIFICALLY. AND SO I THINK TOP FOR DISCUSSION IS WHETHER WE WANT TO MOVE TO ESSENTIALLY A SITUATION WHERE IT'S EASIER TO, TO, UM, HAVE PEOPLE BE ABLE TO RUN OUT THEIR HOMES LIKE THROUGH, THROUGH SERVICES. LIKE THE AIRBNB, WE, THE ISSUE WE HAVE HAD FROM CITIZENS IS, UH, THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY, IF THEY, UH, THEY WANT TO KNOW WHO'S BASICALLY WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING AND GOING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH. IF SOMEBODY MOVES IN NEW MOVES INTO THE HOUSE, COOL. UH, THE KIDS ARE THERE FOR THE WEEKEND. THAT'S COOL. BUT WHEN THEY SEE DIFFERENT PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF THE HOUSE EVERY WEEK, THEY GET CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. THAT'S THE REALITY, TAKE THIS UP THE FIRST TIME, THE PARTY, A QUESTION. AND SO THEY, THAT'S THE REASON WE HAVE THE CONDITIONS SO THAT IF SOMEBODY IS HAVING PARTIES, ET CETERA, THEN THEY MAY REVOKE THEIR PERMIT. UM, AND WE DON'T WANT TO RESTRICT THE RIGHTS OF THE INDIVIDUAL OWNER, BUT WE WANNA, WE WANT TO RESPECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOO. SO IT SAYS HERE THAT HE WAS LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION ON WHETHER SHORT TERM RENTALS REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. UM, IT SAYS USED USUALLY AS A CONDITIONAL PERMIT FOR COUNTY, DOES THE SAME THING APPLY FOR TOWN. WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE REQUIRE I'LL HAVE TO LOOK IN. WE, YOU KNOW, IN OUR SHORT DISCUSSIONS. OKAY. YEAH, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S, HE'S THE WANTING TO KNOW IF THERE'S A SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIRED. UM, ARE THEY HELD TO SIMILAR INSPECTION PRACTICES THAT HOTELS, UM, AND THEN HE GETS INTO SOME OF THE, UM, REQUIRING THE COLLECTION OF A HOTEL TAX. AND WE SAY OUTSIDE, WE DO REQUIRE THE TAX. I DON'T THINK THERE IS AN INSPECTION NECESSARILY THE SAME AS THERE IS IN A HOTEL MOTEL, BUT THERE IS THE REGULAR HOUSING INSPECTION. IF YOU'RE GETTING A BUILDING PERMIT FOR ANY, ANY YOU, ANY ADDITION OR MODIFICATION IN THE HOUSE, I'M TRYING TO THINK THERE'S AN ART HEALTH DEPARTMENT DOES KEEP TRACK OF THEM OUT IN THE COUNTY BECAUSE THEY HAVE SEPTIC. AND OFTEN A WHILE THERE'S A TREE HOUSE OUT IN LONDON THAT YOU CAN RENT THROUGH AIRBNB. AND THERE'S NO NURSE. NO, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE SEPTIC OUT THERE, BUT IT'S A, IT'S REALLY NICE. IT'S ON A TV SHOW BEFORE, BUT I THINK THAT MIGHT FALL IN THAT PAUL CARE COUNTY LINE. AND SO THEY MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY IT'S AN AIRBNB RENTAL. PRETTY AWESOME. IT'S REALLY COOL. YOU HAVE TO LOOK, THEY ASK THINGS LIKE, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU GET SOMETHING IN AN EMERGENCY DON, IF YOU'RE NOT THERE TO TAKE CARE OF, IS THERE A LINE LINE, IS THERE A FIRE EXTINGUISHER? DOES ALL OF THE APPLIANCES WORK FROM, THEY'RE ASKING ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT SHOULD BE ASKED OF A RENTAL. AND IF THEY'RE NOT IN THAT BECAUSE [00:45:01] OF A COMPLAINT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY'RE THERE. UM, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CAN BE REVOKED. GOTCHA. OKAY. IF THEY'RE PART OF THAT CONDITIONAL USE OTHERWISE, UH, AND WE GET IN A LOT OF AREAS WHERE THESE AIRBNBS OR SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE BEING ASKED TO BE PUT IN GATED COMMUNITIES, WHICH BRINGS UP THE WHOLE THING OF, YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT INTO A GRADY COMMUNITY FOR SECURITY, AND WE'VE GOT PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT A LOT. THERE'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT A SIMPLE TRUST ME FROM SETTING IN ON QUITE A FEW OF THEM. IT IS NOT A SIMPLE, YEAH, LET'S JUST DO IT. RIGHT. UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT THERE TOO, TO NOT ONLY PROTECT THE HOMEOWNER THAT WANTS TO DO THE SHORT TERM RENTAL TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING IN. WE HAD A SHORT TERM RENTAL THAT WAS IN A FLOOD ZONE. AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, DO YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION PLAN? THEY DIDN'T, IF WE DIDN'T MAKE THAT PART OF A CONDITIONAL USE, THEN IF SOMEONE CAME IN FROM THE CITY WHO HAD NEVER BEEN ALONG THE RIVER, HAD NO IDEA OF HOW QUICKLY A RIVER COULD COME UP, THEY COULD BE STUCK IN THERE. SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE CUMBERSOME, BUT IN THE END, IT'S TO PROTECT EVERYBODY. RIGHT? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS SURPRISED ME IN OUR HEARING, OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS IS THE NUMBER OF PROPERTIES BEING PURCHASED FROM OUTSIDE THE AREA, AND THEN IMMEDIATELY TURNED INTO SHORT-TERM RENTAL. AND THESE ARE PEOPLE FROM MARYLAND AND WE'RE IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA WHO DO NOT LIVE HERE AND ARE NOT GOING TO LIVE HERE, BUT I WANT TO JUST MAKE THIS A RENTAL PROPERTY AND WENT TO BE THE PROPERTY MANAGER FROM TWO HOURS AWAY. RIGHT. WHICH IS ANOTHER CONCERN. SO IT'S THERE, IT'S, IT'S A COMPLICATED SYSTEM, WHICH I UNDERSTAND TRYING TO SIMPLIFY. IT HELPS THE PERSON WHO OWNS IT AND WANTS TO DO SHORT TERM MINIMAL THAT IT COMPLICATES IT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE NOT TO HAVE A SYSTEM OF ACCOUNTABILITY. HMM. DO YOU THINK, UM, UH, YOU COULD PULL THE MINUTES FROM THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD INFORMATION TO SHARE VERY LONG AND VERY PASSIONATE. AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT , WE HAVE ONE MORE WAY OUT OF A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHETHER THEY WERE AFFORDED HER AGAINST HER, THEY, THEIR, THEY SAID THEIR PEERS AND THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC HEARING IS ALL ABOUT. WOULD YOU MIND SEEING IF WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS, REGARDLESS, ISSUE TO TWO MINUTES, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, UM, JUST, UH, FOR, FOR OUR CONSIDERATION, UM, JUST A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ANGLE THAT, UM, AND WE'VE ALMOST TOUCHED ON IT. IT'S JUST THAT I THINK SOME PEOPLE WHO HOPED TO RETIRE OUT HERE WOULD LIKE TO IDENTIFY A PROPERTY LINCOLN, YOU KNOW, SPEND THE WEEKEND AT, UM, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF WEEKS HERE, HERE AND THERE, AND THEN FINALLY MAKE THAT FULL MOVE. BUT IN THE TIME WHEN I SAY LIKE THE POSSIBILITY OF RENTING IT OUT. AND SO I THINK THAT, UM, FOLKS IN THE REAL ESTATE MARKET WITH LIKE THE HOLD OUT AS A POSSIBILITY, I GUESS WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT IT'S POSSIBLE. IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S JUST NOT EASY. NO. AND MOST OF WHAT YOU SAY, JUST THERE DESCRIBES MOST OF THE APPLICANTS THAT WE'RE GETTING. THEY'RE ALL SAYING THOSE VERY THINGS. WE BOUGHT IT FOR OUR USE, BUT WE NEED TO OFFSET OUR EXPENSES BY DOING SHORT TERM RENTAL OR NOT USE IT. YEAH. AND THE WHOLE THING THAT WE TALKED MARK BREACHED WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE EVERYTHING WE'VE EVER TRIED TO DO IS COMMUNICATE. I MEAN, YOU CAN PURCHASE A HOUSE TOMORROW. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TALK TO ANYBODY, BUT YOU GET WHAT YOU GET. AND IF YOU DON'T TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS BEFOREHAND AND SAY, LOOK, I'M GOING, GONNA MOVE HERE TWO YEARS FROM NOW. YOU GOT TO MAKE THE MODIFICATIONS FOR IT, BUT I, I'M NOT GONNA DO IT NOW. SO YOU COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS TO FIND OUT WHAT THEIR FEELING IS BEFORE YOU EVER BOUGHT IT, BECAUSE THEY CAN GIVE YOU ENOUGH GRIEF TO WHERE YOU JUST DON'T WANT. I MEAN, ONE OF YOUR ARTICLES [00:50:01] THAT WAS GIVEN HIS BACKUP DOCUMENTATION WAS TALKING ABOUT ONE CAUTION I WOULD SUGGEST TO THE COUNCIL IS IF YOU DO THIS IN THE TOWN NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO EXPECT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO PROTECT THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD, YEAH. I MEAN, I GREW UP IN, I GREW UP IN A, IN A, IN A TOWN WHERE IT WAS A TOURIST TOWN. SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE FOLKS, UH, CYCLING THROUGH, UM, AND IT HAS ITS UPS AND ITS DOWNS. AND YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE CERTAIN HOUSES, UM, TEND TO GO TO CERTAIN DEMOGRAPHICS. LIKE YOU CAN PICK OUT THE HOUSE ON THE BLOCK WHERE THE COLLEGE KIDS ALWAYS COME AND IT'S LIKE, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT THERE TO HAVE A PEACEFUL WEEKEND. IT'S THERE TO PARTY. UM, YEAH, I, UM, IT'S ALL ACTUALLY COMING BACK TO ME AS WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION, I'M THINKING BACK TO TOO. AND ALSO, I MEAN, IT'S ALL IT SUBJECTS, THE, UM, AREA TO, UM, PHENOMENON WHERE THIS BECOMES THE HOT THING FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE FROM A CERTAIN AREA TO BUY A NEW HOME OR BUY HOMES IN AN AREA, FIX IT UP TO MAKE IT AN ATTRACTIVE RENTAL PLACE. AND, BUT IT'S THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY IS JUST FOR PEOPLE TO COME THROUGH WEEK BY WEEK. AND, UM, THAT IS GOING TO AFFECT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. SO THERE'S A LOT TO THINK THROUGH. UM, BUT IT'S LIKE A, WHEN IT'S A POOL TO START PULLING THAT STRING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES, THERE ARE A LOT OF COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY JUST DON'T WANT THE TRENDS THAT PEOPLE AND, AND PART OF IT IS TOO, UM, SAYING THAT YOU GREW UP IN A TOURIST TOWN, WHICH I GREW UP HERE. UM, THE AREAS THAT THESE ARE IN AND THE AREAS THAT WE GET, THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT ARE AREAS OF NEW SUBDIVISION AND THE GROWTH WHERE PEOPLE HAVE MOVED OUT HERE, RETIRED. THEY MOVED AWAY TO GET MORE, UH, SECLUDED, UH, THE FIELD SENSE OF SECURITY. AND THOSE ARE GENERALLY A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE GETTING THERE, SCREAMING THE LOUDEST. I DON'T WANT THIS. I, YOU KNOW, I CAME OUT HERE FOR THIS REASON AND I DON'T WANT THIS BROUGHT INTO MY COMMUNITY. SO IT'S NOT THOSE OF US. WHO'VE LIVED HERE ALL OUR LIVES AND HAVE BEEN USED TO THE FACT THAT PEOPLE COME AND GO THE BELIEVERS AND THAT KIND OF THING. IT'S, IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT MOVED OUT HERE FOR A DIFFERENT WAY OF LIFE. AND DON'T BRING IT OUT HERE IN MY COMMUNITY IS WHAT IT IS. SO NORTH COMMUNITIES, YOU'RE, YOU ANTICIPATE THAT WHEN I GO TO THE BEACH OR SOMETHING, I ASSUME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE MOVING IN AND OUT OF THE HOUSES. AND I'M GOING TO SEE DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN THE OTHER HOUSES ALL THE TIME, BUT WE'RE NOT, I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT THE POINT OF A COMMUNITY. WE'RE HAVE LOTS OF VISITORS AND LOTS OF TOURISTS, BUT THEY'RE USUALLY JUST DAY OR WEEKEND TOUR US AND THEY'RE IN FOR THE WEEKEND. AND THEN THEY GO HOME AND MAY THEM ANOTHER WEEKEND SOMETIMES. AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD SOME REALLY GOOD SUCCESSES. AND IN MY END OF THE COUNTY, I'M ON THE SOUTHERN END. UH, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW THAT THEY ARE JUST IN THE PERFECT SPOT. IT'S BEAUTIFUL, BUT NOBODY IS CLOSE ENOUGH TO REALLY CARE. IT'S NOT AN IMPACT ON A SECLUDED NEIGHBORHOOD, THE ROAD, NOBODY CARES, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE IN THE LAST YEAR THAT IT'S HITTING COMMUNITIES THAT REALLY CARE. SO IT'S, AND THOSE CONDITIONAL USES DON'T MAKE THEM HAPPY, BUT IT TAMES IT DOWN ENOUGH THAT IT KIND OF EVENS IT OUT. THEY'RE STILL NOT HAPPY. THEY DIDN'T WANT IT, BUT YOU CAN SMOOTH IT OVER A LITTLE BY SAYING, LOOK, YOU KNOW, HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT THEY HAVE TO ADHERE TO. AND IF THEY DON'T, IT'S GONE. SO I GUESS THEIR ANTICIPATION LEVEL GOES TO MAN, HOPE. WE HOPE THEY BREAK ONE OF THOSE ROLES AND THEY'RE OUT OF HERE, BUT IN THAT PROTECTS BOTH OF THEM, THE APPLICANT AND THE PEOPLE COMPLAINING, OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE BICKERING BACK AND FORTH. AND FOR US, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OUT THERE PROBABLY ALL THE TIME GOING THROUGH A COMPLAINT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BE. IF THEY HAVE A DOG, YOUR DOG GOT IN MY YARD, WHEREVER THE KIDS STEPPED OVER THE LINE, IT WOULD BE A CONSTANT. YEAH, I THINK, UM, IN TALENT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE A DIFFERENT SORT OF SUCCESS BECAUSE WE MIGHT HAVE WHAT PROBLEMS. WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T RENTING THEIR ENTIRE HOUSE OUT, BUT MAYBE [00:55:01] A SPARE ROOM. AND SO THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THOSE WILD PART OF YOURS BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT THERE IN THE HOUSE, IN THE SAME HOUSE. SO I THINK WE COULD HAVE SOME SUCCESSES IN THAT, YOUR BREAD AND BREAKFAST. UM, AND I THINK YOU'VE GOT SEVERAL OF THOSE WITH INTEL. TELL THAT. SO YOU PROBABLY COULD LOOK AT THOSE AS YOUR RESOURCE OF THE SUCCESS OF WHAT'S GOING ON THERE AND HOW THAT CAN BE GROWN FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED. YEAH. YEAH. OH YES. SO, UM, I, I GUESS PROPOSING A TASK FOR BOTH US ENTITIES TO DO, AND THAT'S JUST IDENTIFY THE SPOTS WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, A RESIDENT, WELL, THIS WAS, THIS WOULD SPEAK MORE TO THE, THE, UH, TOWN RESIDENTS AND, UM, FOLKS WHO ARE OPENING BUSINESSES IN THE TOWN, BUT IDENTIFY THOSE PLACES WHERE NO, I WANT TO START A BUSINESS. FOR EXAMPLE, IN TOWN LIMITS, I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT TO PERFORM CERTAIN TASKS, BUT TOWN I'VE GOT TO PERFORM CERTAIN TASKS FOR THE COUNTY, UM, JUST TO, UH, MAXIMIZE CUSTOMER FRIENDLINESS TYPE APPROACH AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, I CAN, I CAN DO ALL OF THIS IN ONE STOP BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THEY'RE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE, ALMOST SPITTING DISTANCE, LIKE, UM, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN POP OUT FROM THE ONE AND GO AND GO TO THE OTHER, YOU ARRIVE AT THE OTHER ONE, THERE'S A BIG LINE. YOU CAN'T GO PHYSICALLY INSIDE AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU ONLY HAD 15 MINUTES, YOU GOT TO GO GET THE KIDS AND SO ON AND TO EVERYTHING ELSE. AND THEN IT'S TWO WEEKS LATER WHEN YOU REMEMBER THAT YOU DIDN'T GO TO THE COUNTY AND THEN YOU'RE GETTING A LATE FEE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO MY, MY THOUGHT IS JUST, UM, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S, IT'S TOO TOUGH NUT TO CRACK TO IDENTIFY THOSE SPOTS. AND THEN JUST SAY, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS WITH THIS WINDOW CAN COME. CAN WE HAVE THE TOWN FORUM? AND THEN WE HAD THE COUNTY FORM. WE INFORM YOU, YOU NEED THESE, BOTH. THIS IS THE TOWN PIECE IS THE COUNTY PIECE, FILL THEM OUT, HAND THEM BACK TO THE, TO THE PERSON. AND THEN IT'S BEHIND THE SCENES WHERE THE PIECE OF PAPER GOES FROM THE PAMPHLET, THE COUNTY. WE ACTUALLY HAVE A COMMITTEE AND MIKE, I CAN'T THINK OF IT. TEARING, HITS IT WHERE, UM, INDIVIDUALS FROM THE TOWN COMES OR DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. THEY MEET THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE AND I ATTENDED THOSE HAVING ATTENDED ONE FOR WILSON COLUMNS. UM, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT THEY DO. AND IF SOMEONE LIKED THE, THE ONE MEETING I WENT TO, I CAN'T THINK OF THE NAME OF THE GROUP. THAT'S GETTING READY TO GO. THE WAREHOUSE OUT IN THE INDUSTRIAL AREA ACTUALLY CAME, UM, THE ELECTRIC COMPANY, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS FROM THE TOWN WAS THERE, UM, RAPPAHANNOCK ELECTRIC, WHICH SERVES MOST OF THIS END OF THE COUNTY. THERE'S ONLY A SMALL SECTION OF THE SHANDRA AND THEY'RE ALL THERE AT THE TABLE. AND YOU CAN COME IN AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT I WANT. AND YOU GOT THEM ALL IN A ROOM AND THEY CAN ALL TELL YOU, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT AND BAM IT'S DONE. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO THAT, THAT IS IN PLACE NOW, HOW IT COULD BE WRAPPED AROUND TO MEET ALL THOSE. I DON'T WANT TO PERMIT TYPE THING WHERE YOU COME IN AND YOU GET YOUR BUSINESS LICENSE AND YOU GET YOUR PERMITS ALL IN ONE PLACE WHEN SOMEONE STOPS. YEAH. EVEN BETTER. IF IT'S ON A COMPUTER EVEN BETTER, IF YOU COULD DO IT FROM HOME ON THE INTERNET, EVEN BETTER. RIGHT. EXACTLY WHAT CAN BE AUTOMATED. AND BECAUSE AS A PERSON WHO, WELL, I USED TO WORK IN WINCHESTER EVERYDAY, BUT YOU MISS THE BUSINESS HOURS BECAUSE EVERYBODY, THIS IS WE'RE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. AND THEN YOU'RE TRYING TO COORDINATE SOMETHING ON A SATURDAY OR TAKING TIME OFF AND IT GETS REAL COMPLICATED. SO IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING THAT INVOLVES THE INTERNET, ONE LANDING PAGE AND BOOM, ALL THE INFORMATION GOES EVEN BETTER. I DON'T KNOW HOW OUR AP DEPARTMENT FEELS ABOUT THAT, OR I JUST DUMPED A WHOLE BUNCH OF IT MAGIC. WELL, SO JUST THE IDEA IS THAT THE CONSUMER IN MIND AND JUST THINK ABOUT, ALL RIGHT. IF I WERE, IF I WERE IN THEIR SHOES, I'VE GOT TO WALK, I'VE GOT TO DO THESE STEPS. HOW DO WE JUST CONSOLIDATED AND MAKING IT EASY FOR THEM WHERE WE'RE SERVING THEN AFTER DALE AND I WILL GET TOGETHER AND BRING THE RIGHT CARBONS TOGETHER. LET ME JUST CURIOUS THE BUILDING ACTUALLY SOFTWARE. IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITIES TO VERY POSSIBLE [01:00:01] BAN THAT STEPPED IN THAT DIRECT DIRECTION? YEAH, THAT WAS THE WHOLE THOUGHT WAS TO CONNECT TO THE TWO ENTITIES TO STREAMLINE THINGS THAT ARE, I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T GIVE YOU THE ANSWER WHERE IT IS OR WHY OTHER THAN GOVERNMENT MOOSE, WILEY, THAT'S WHAT YOU LEARN FIRST 30 DAYS. ALL RIGHT. UM, SO I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT, UM, AND I'LL KEEP IT VERY BRIEF BECAUSE WE ARE ON CAMERA AND IT WOULD BE MORE OF A LEGAL TYPE OF THING THAT WE WOULDN'T WANT TO DO IN A CLOSED SESSION. SO SPEAKING OF PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAXES, AND WHEN WE THINK OF THAT HERE IN FRONT ROYAL, WE THINK OF WHAT THE TOWN CHARGES TO THE BUSINESSES AND THE CORRIDOR, BUT THAT'S NOT ALL THIS IS, IS ABOUT OTHER COMMUNITIES. OTHER TOWNS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET PAYMENTS TAXES FROM ENTITIES, AS BIG AS A HOSPITAL. WINCHESTER'S GETTING WHAT $750,000 A YEAR. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING, AN INITIATIVE THAT THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY COULD BOTH BENEFIT FROM AND JUST WANTED TO GET SOME BUY-IN AND MAYBE FORM A SMALLER COMMITTEE OF SOME TOWN SOUND SUPERVISORS THAT WANT TO SIT DOWN, HUNKER DOWN COMMISSIONERS AND, AND TALK IT OUT AND GET A BALL MOVING. CAUSE OUR, OUR COMMUNITIES LOSING OUT RIGHT NOW. AND LIKE I SAID, I JUST WANNA KEEP THAT BRIEF, BUT THAT IN YOUR HEADS, YOU GUYS CAN THINK ABOUT WHO WOULD BE GOOD COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE, WE'LL COME UP WITH PEOPLE THAT WE LIKE SOME COMMISSIONERS AND GET TOGETHER AND REALLY HASH OUT HOW WE GO ABOUT THIS. AND A LOT OF THE STARTING POINTS HAVE A LOT OF THE FIRST STEPS HAVE ALREADY BEEN TAKEN FROM SOME OTHER MEETINGS, UH, SIMILAR CONVERSATIONS. IF WE USE THAT TOWARDS OUR DRUG COURT, IF WE USE THAT TO HELP WITH SOME OF THESE SCHOOLS AND ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO BETTER OUR COMMUNITY. AND WE CAN DO THAT, I THINK IS A WIN ACROSS THE BOARD FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED. YEAH. IT TAKE OUR MONEY, RIGHT? LIKE YOU GO TO THE HOSPITAL, YOU SEEN YOUR BILLS, RIGHT. THEY GET PRETTY EXPENSIVE. SO I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO GIVE BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AND IT'S US ALL WORKING TOGETHER. IT'S ANOTHER PROJECT WHERE WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER, WE'RE WORKING TO HEAL OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S A WIN, UM, PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAXES IS, IS KIND OF A NEW CONCEPT FOR ME. UM, YEAH. UM, I'M NOT TOTALLY UNFAMILIAR WITH IT BECAUSE I'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH. UM, BUT IT, IT TENDS TO, IT TENDS TO BE, UH, TOWARD NON-PROFITS WAS THIS THE IT'S SORT OF LIKE THAT? YES. SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS YES, EXACTLY. THERE COMES A DEFINITION AND HOW YOU DEFINE NON-PROFIT NOT FOR PROFIT, RIGHT? SAY IF THE TERMS ARE USED PRETTY INTERCHANGEABLY, I'M SURE. YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, OKAY, THE HOSPITAL HAS FILED A CERTAIN CLASS, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE NOT PAYING ANY TAXES ON THIS LAND. AND THIS LAND COULD POTENTIALLY HAD IT GONE PRIVATE THAT IS STUDENT TREE WOULD HAVE GENERATED THIS MUCH TAX INCOME, BUT THEY'RE NOT GETTING CHARGED. WE'RE GETTING CHARGED A BIG FAT ZERO. UM, BUT IN THIS WAY, THE HOSPITAL IS KIND OF DONATING THAT MONEY BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY. AND IN OTHER COMMUNITIES I'VE EVEN SEEN IT WHERE THAT, THAT NON-FOR-PROFIT, UM, HELPS OUT WITH THE COMMUNITY CENTER OR DOES SOMETHING THAT IS COMMUNITY BASED, UM, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT EQUAL TO WHAT THEY WOULD PAY OUT IF THEY WERE PAID. UM, I GOT IT. SO THIS IS THE, THIS NAMES VALLEY HALL. I MEAN, IS THIS, ARE WE CONTEMPLATED? ARE THEY ADDRESSED? SO WHAT ARE WE PROBABLY JUST A JACK, YOU KNOW, AS WE, WELL, I THINK WE IDENTIFY THIS NEEDS TO BE A DISCUSSION AND MAYBE WE PROBABLY NEED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, SIDE WHAT, WHAT FORM WE NEED OBSESSION. RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE START, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO IDENTIFY ALL THE ISSUES AND CONCERNS. OKAY. BUT THIS IS, THIS THE ONLY, UM, NOT-FOR-PROFIT NON-PROFIT WE'RE CONCERNED WITH IS VALLEY HEALTH VERY SPECIFICALLY. UM, SO THAT'S THE BUG THAT I WANTED TO PUT IN EVERYBODY'S EAR. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE REST OF THE CLOSED SESSION OR SOMETHING. YEAH. SO, UM, GOOD CONVERSATIONS. OUR NEXT MEETING IS THE IDENTIFIERS. WELL, YOU GUYS [01:05:01] DO IT EVERY THREE MONTHS. IT WOULD BE HOSTED BY THE COUNTY. WE HAVE OPEN DISCUSSION. THEY WANT TO HAVE ANY DISCUSSION, ANYTHING TO BRING HIM. WELL, I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE TOWN. I REALLY DO. WE'RE NOT AT ODDS. WE'RE JUST TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS AND WE NEED TO LEARN HOW TO TALK TOGETHER AND WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY BETTER. WELL, LIKE I SAID, TWO UP HERE AND NO ONE IN WINCHESTER HOSPITAL ONLY BECAUSE MY PARENTS LIVE HERE WITH FOUR, NEVER CAME BACK HERE. SO I CONSIDER IT MORE. BUT WHEN SOMEONE SAYS, WHERE ARE YOU FROM? I DON'T SAY WARREN COUNTY. I SAY FRONT ROYAL. WELL, I SAY FRONT ROW, BECAUSE I WAS BORN, RAISED HERE IS FOR ORAL. SO YET I'VE NEVER LIVED WITHIN THE TOWN LIMITS. SO I DON'T DISTINGUISH THE TWO BEING SEPARATE. RIGHT. SO THE WHOLE ISSUE OF NOT BEING WORKING TOGETHER COOPERATIVELY JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I HAVE PEOPLE THAT SAY TO ME, WHEN I GO TO MEETINGS HERE OR ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE TOWN, WHY ARE YOU HERE? I'M LIKE YOU DO REALIZE THE SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT GOES TO MAIN STREET. SO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN TOWN THAT ARE IN SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT ARE MY CONCERN. THEY DON'T HAVE TO LIVE IN BROWNTOWN OR LONDON OR BENTONVILLE FOR ME TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THEM. I'M CONCERNED. WELL, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT EVERYBODY AT THE LIST AND YOUR DISTRICT, ALL FIVE DISTRICTS. SO I, I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER WAY THAN TO JOIN TOGETHER IN THOUGHT AND COOPERATION OR A LOT OF THINGS AND, AND QUIT HAVING SO MUCH ANIMOSITY OVER THIS STUFF AND NOT TO THROW A BONE OF CONTENTION OUT, BUT THE EDA BEING ONE OF THEM, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A COMMUNITY PAIN. IT'S GOT TO BE A COMMUNITY HEALING PROCESS. AND AS LONG AS THE KIDS IN THE FAMILY ARE STATEN OVER IT, WE DON'T HEAL. SO THE KIDS IN THE FAMILY NEEDS TO DROP A LITTLE BIT AND COME TOGETHER, GET IT TAKEN CARE OF AND MOVE ON TO BETTER DAYS. NO. SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY FEELING. THERE'S MUCH MORE TO COME AND I LIVE IN TOWN. ALL RIGHT. WHEN I SAY FROM ROY MIKE COUNTY, WHEN I GO OUT AND TALK TO THEM, DOESN'T MATTER WHERE I GO TO. ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS IS WHAT ABOUT THE ADA? AND THEN WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN AREA? WE, WE, NO MATTER, I DON'T BELIEVE IT MATTERS WHICH SIDE OF THE FENCE WE'RE ON. YOU GET THE SAME QUESTIONS. AND THE ONLY WAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT THOSE ANSWERS IS TO WORK TOGETHER, RIGHT? I'M OFF MY SOAP BOX. NO, I THINK IT'S TRUE. WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER. WE'RE ONE COMMUNITY AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE ONE COMMUNITY AND WE MIGHT HAVE TOWN AND COUNTY OR WHATNOT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE ALL ONE COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER. THIS IS WHAT IT IS IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS PLACE BETTER. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THERE SEPARATELY. WE HAVE TO GET THERE TOGETHER. SO I THINK THIS MEETING WAS REALLY PRODUCTIVE AND IT WASN'T EVEN A WHOLE HOUR LONG. IT WAS REALLY PRODUCTIVE. GETTING EVERYBODY TO SIT DOWN AT THE TABLE AND HAVE A GOOD CONVERSATION. BREAD AND CHEESE WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD TIME, EVEN BETTER. RIGHT. AND NO MASK, I WAS SPACED OUT ENOUGH. I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE I MADE IT. ONE THING, GOODNESS, MY GLASSES HERE. THAT'S WHY I KEEP PULLING IT. BUT NO, AND I THINK WE CAN GET THERE. YEAH. DISCUSSION. WELL, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS THIS IS MY FIRST MEETING WITH, UH, WITH THE GROUP. AND, UM, I LOOKED FORWARD TO BEING, UH, THE TOWN MANAGER AND FROM LOYAL, UM, UH, APPRECIATE THE AREA AS PREY TO BE ABLE TO INTERACT WITH, UH, BOARD MEMBERS AS WELL. AND ED AND I WE'VE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR A WHILE NOW. AND, AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING HERE AND AGAIN, I, UH, COUNSELOR, I MEAN BOARD MEMBER, BEV, WE'VE ALREADY HAD COFFEE AND ANYTIME ANYONE WANTS TO MEET WITH ME, ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, [01:10:01] ANYTHING TO TALK, I'M OPEN COURT AS WELL. SO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF ABOUT MOORE COUNTY IN A TOWN. WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE. ALL RIGHT. DID A GREAT JOB. YOU WERE WINGING IT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.