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          YEAH, UH, LIKE CALLED TOWN WORK SESSION, TUESDAY, JANUARY 19TH, 2021 
          [Town Council Work Session on January 19, 2020]
IS I SESSION, UH, FIRST UP OR REVIEW PROCESS. 
          WHEN A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION WE REQUEST IS RECEIVED, DOUG. 
          YES. 
          SURE. 
          YOU WANT ME TO TAKE THE PODIUM? SURE. 
          THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          YOU CAN DO THAT BJ. 
          CAN YOU ALL SEE ME VERY WELL, AS LONG AS THEY CAN HEAR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU CAN HEAR ME. 
          I'LL TRY NOT TO GET IN THE WEEDS TOO MUCH AND TRY TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW, UH, WHAT TOWN STAFF DOES WHEN IT GETS A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT REQUEST. 
          AND JUST TO GIVE YOU KIND OF LIKE AN IDEA OF THE SCOPE OF THIS SO FAR THIS YEAR, THE TOWN HAS RECEIVED 91 PRETTY MUCH IN THE PAST. 
          WE TOLD HIM JUST TO MAKE IT SIMPLE, UM, IN 2020 OR 20 2191, UH, SORRY, I APOLOGIZE. 
          YOU TURN BACK OFF, JUST TAP IT. 
          OKAY. 
          91 YOU SAY DOGS INSERT LIKE, AND THEN THE LAST 19 DAYS, NINE 91 AND 19 DAYS. 
          SO IF YOU EXTRAPOLATE THAT OVER THIS YEAR FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS YEAR, WE WOULD GET SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 17 AND 1800. 
          UM, SOME OF THESE ARE RELATIVELY SIMPLE. 
          UH, SOMEBODY MIGHT ASK BRITTANY A DOCUMENT I'LL REPORT. 
          SOME OF THESE ARE MASSIVE. 
          UM, ON ONE WE GOT, UH, WAS ASKING FOR, UM, WHEN WE WENT BACK THROUGH THE TOWN SERVER, WE FIGURED IT WOULD BE, UM, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 75,000 AND 80,000 DOCUMENTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UH, ON THE TOWN SERVERS. 
          UM, AND, UH, BECAUSE THEY RELATED TO, UM, UH, INVESTIGATIVE, UM, LAWSUITS, UM, UM, THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WOULD HAVE TO GO EVERY THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THOSE DOCUMENTS. 
          AND, UM, IT, IT PUTS A BIG BURDEN ON STAFF AND, UM, UM, BECAUSE, UH, A LOT OF THESE ARE NOT RELEASABLE BY LAW. 
          UM, UM, BECAUSE OF DATA PROTECTION ACTS, UM, TAX LAWS, LAWS RELATING TO UTILITY RECORDS, PERSONNEL, EMPLOYMENT LAWS, HIPAA SECURITY PROTECTION ACTS, UM, AND OTHER LAWS DESIGNED TO PROTECT PRIVACY, UH, AND OTHER LEGAL, LEGALLY PROTECTED DOMAINS. 
          UM, WE, WE HAVE TO SIT THROUGH THESE SO, UM, AND YOU CAN GET YOURSELF IN CRIMINAL TROUBLE IF YOU RELEASE THEM AND YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO. 
          UH, SO, UM, IN SOME OF THESE LAWS ARE NOT EASY TO DECIPHER. 
          UM, UH, YOU, YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL AS TO WHAT LOOKS ON ITS FACE MIGHT BE SIMPLE TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S LEGAL TO RELEASE. 
          AND THEN WHEN YOU STARTED DATING THROUGH THE CASE LAW AND REGULATORY LAW, YOU REALIZE IT'S, IT'S NOT, NOT A BRIGHT LINE. 
          SO, UH, THAT, THAT CAN GET TRICKY. 
          NOT ALL, UH, FOYER REQUESTS ARE FREE. 
          UH, IF IT, UM, UH, IT'S UH, RELATED TO STAFF TIME, UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IF IT'S GOING TO COST STAFF, UM, FOR THEIR HOURLY RATE, MORE THAN $250, WE CHARGE FOR IT. 
          UH, WE DON'T LIKE TO CHARGE WORK. 
          UM, WE ARE A GOVERNMENT, WE DON'T OPERATE IN SECRECY. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, TOWN, FOLKS, COUNTY FOLKS ARE OUR NEIGHBORS. 
          THEY'RE OUR FRIENDS. 
          UH, UM, WE LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          I LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          YOU LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT, UH, IT COMES TO A POINT IN TIME WHERE IF, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY IS ASKING FOR 75, 80,000 DOCUMENTS AND IT TAKES, UM, UH, 500 HOURS OF STAFF TIME TO GO THROUGH THAT. 
          IT'S NOT FAIR TO OTHER TAXPAYERS BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH FISHING EXPEDITIONS JUST TO GET DOCUMENTS. 
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I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT WE'VE HAD SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE DO IT SIMPLY TO HARASS. 
          AND 99.99% OF THE REQUESTS ARE NOT THAT 99% OF THE REQUESTS ARE ABSOLUTELY LEGITIMATE AND PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW, AND WE WANT TO GIVE IT TO THEM. 
          BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, WE HAVE TO BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY. 
          UM, UH, THE, UH, THE RATES ARE BASED ON THE EARLY RATES OF THE STAFF PERSON WHO IS PERFORMING THE SEARCH. 
          IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT'S, UH, UH, RELATED TO PUBLIC WORKS, UH, USUALLY THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT WILL, UH, PUT THEIR PERSONNEL IN CHARGE. 
          THERE'S NO POINT IN HAVING THE TOWN MANAGER LOOK THROUGH, TAKE THE TOWN MANNERS, YOUR IT'S TIME TO LOOK THROUGH SOMETHING IN PUBLIC WORKS OR MY TIME OR ANY TINA PRESLEY'S TAC. 
          UM, SOME OF THESE DOCUMENTS ARE ALL DOCUMENTS, THEY'RE IN STORAGE AND, UM, YOU HAVE TO GO RETRIEVE THEM. 
          AND, UM, SOME OF THESE OLD DOCUMENTS ARE NOT, UH, OBVIOUSLY NOT SCANNED. 
          UM, YOU CAN'T RETRIEVE THEM THROUGH A COMPUTER. 
          AND, UM, THE, THE NEWER DOCUMENTS ARE MUCH EASIER TO ACCESS WORSE. 
          THE OLD DOCUMENTS ARE NOT, I WISH THEY WERE, I WISH WE HAD, UH, STAFF TIME AND MONEY BUDGETED MONEY, UH, TO, TO PUT EVERYTHING AND DIGITALIZED FOR. 
          BUT AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE ALL KNOW MONEY DOESN'T GROW ON TREES. 
          UM, UM, WHAT WE DO TRY TO ENCOURAGE WHEN PEOPLE ASK FOR DOCUMENTS, UH, FREQUENTLY, THEY ASKED FOR ALL DOCUMENTS RELATED TO A SUBJECT, AND WE ENCOURAGED THE REQUESTER TO BE MORE SPECIFIC BECAUSE WHEN YOU ASKED FOR ALL DOCUMENTS, SOMETIMES UNWITTINGLY, THEY CAN BE ASKING FOR THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOCUMENTS, AND IF THEY CAN NARROW THEIR REQUESTS DOWN, UM, THEY CAN SAVE THEMSELVES MONEY, TIME, AND, UM, STAFF A LOT OF EFFORT AND THEY CAN GET IT A LOT FASTER. 
          UM, AND JUST TO GET INTO THE LAW, I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR IN, HE READS ALL PUBLIC RECORDS. 
          UM, THIS IS VIRGINIA FOIL OFF ALL PUBLIC RECORDS THAT ARE OPEN TO THE CITIZENS OF THE COMMONWEALTH. 
          UM, REPRESENTATIVES OF NEWSPAPERS AND MAGAZINES WAS CIRCULATION IN THE COMMONWEALTH AND REPRESENTATIVES OR RADIO AND TELEVISION STATIONS I'LL HAVE TO COMMONWEALTH. 
          UM, AND YOU, UH, THE ACCESS TO RECORDS, UH, ARE PROVIDED BY, UH, EITHER BY INSPECTION. 
          PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND LOOK AT THEM, OR THEY CAN, UH, ASK FOR COPIES OF THE RECORDS. 
          USUALLY PEOPLE WANT COPIES, UH, BUT IT'S AT THE REQUESTERS OPTION. 
          UM, IF THEY WANT TO COME UP, MAN, AND LOOK AT THE RECORDS, UH, WE IN THE TOWN, UH, HAVE TO ENSURE THAT WE TAKE PRECAUTIONS FOR SAFEKEEPING. 
          WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE SOMEBODY DOESN'T SLIP OUT A PAGE AND INSERT A FAKE PAGE. 
          UM, AND THAT CAN BE A CONCERN IF YOU'VE GOT, UH, UH, RECORDS THAT ARE ACTUAL LEGAL RECORDS, THAT CAN BE A REAL CONCERN. 
          SURE. 
          UM, AND THE INTERESTING THINGS IS IF A PERSON WANTS TO DOCUMENT, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE IN WRITING. 
          THE REQUEST DOES NOT HAVE TO BE IN WRITING. 
          AND IT DOES NOT HAVE TO MAKE REFERENCE TO THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT, UM, THAT IS UP TO THE TOWN TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE REQUEST IS. 
          AND THAT'S WHY THE TOWN ASKS THE PERSON TO MAKE THE REQUEST IN WRITING. 
          UH, SO WE KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT IT IS THEY WANT, SO WE CAN GET IT TO THEM. 
          SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION. 
          UM, IF, UM, WHAT THEY REQUEST, UH, SOME OF IT IS LEGALLY ALLOWED TO BE RELEASED. 
          AND SOME OF IT ISN'T, WE HAVE TO RELEASE THE PORTION THAT IS RELEASABLE AND THE PORTION THAT'S NOT RELEASABLE. 
          WE HAVE TO REDACT IT OR WITHHOLDING AND TELL THEM EXACTLY, UM, THE NATURE OF WHAT'S BEING RELEASED AND UNDER WHAT CODE SECTION THAT CAN BE RELEASED, UH, NOT ENOUGH TO LET THEM KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T TELL THEM WE'RE RELEASING THE, UH, UH, UH, JUVENILE, UH, WHOSE NAME IS JOHN DOE FROM YOU. 
          BUT WE CAN SAY THAT THIS IS A, A RECORD PERTAINING TO THE JUVENILE. 
          WOULD YOU NOT RELATE TO THAT INFORMATION? UM, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, THE RECORD DOESN'T EXIST. 
          WE TELL IT DOESN'T EXIST. 
          WE DON'T HAVE IT. 
          WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS. 
          HOWEVER, IF WE DON'T HAVE IT IN OUR POSSESSION, BUT WE KNOW THAT WHAT YOU WANT IS A WARREN COUNTY RECORD. 
          WE SAY, UM, LIKE A BUILDING, UH, UH, INSPECTION RECORD, WE DON'T DO BUILDING INSPECTIONS, WARREN COUNTY. 
          DOES YOU WANT TO GO CHECK WITH THE, UM, 
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UH, OFFICE ABOUT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, HERE'S HIS ADDRESS, HIS CONTACT INFORMATION, AND THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT TO GET. 
          UM, WE HAVE FIVE DAYS TO PROVIDE THE RECORD AND THAT'S A SHORT WINDOW. 
          UH, IF IT'S NOT PRACTICAL, UH, UH, THAT WE CAN GET IT TO THEM IN FIVE DAYS, WE HAVE TO TELL WHY WE CAN'T GET IT TO THEM IN FIVE DAYS. 
          AND WE HAVE FIVE WORKING DAYS. 
          UM, AND THEN WE GET SEVEN MORE BUSINESS DAYS. 
          IF FOR SOME REASON WE CAN'T GET IT DONE IN THAT 12 DAY BUSINESS PERIOD, WE HAVE TO PETITION THE COURT AND WE HAVE TO SHOW GOOD CAUSE WHY WE CAN'T GET IT. 
          AND ONE GOOD REASON MAY BE THAT, UH, UH, THE RECORDS ARE, UH, ARCHIVED SOMEWHERE, UH, MAYBE IN THE LIBRARY OF VIRGINIA BECAUSE EVERY SO OFTEN, UM, UH, RECORDS HAVE TO BE SENT, UM, ACCORDING TO LAW, TO THE LIBRARY OF VIRGINIA. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN WE, WE PETITION THE COURT AND SAY, LOOK, THE RECORDS ARE IN VIRGINIA, UH, ENRICHMENT, AND WE HAVE TO LOCATE IT. 
          AND WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS, BUT WE'LL MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO FIND IT, UM, UH, FAIL TO PRODUCE THE RECORD, OR WE DON'T RESPOND TO IT. 
          UH, THAT'S CONSIDERED A VIOLATION OF FOYA AND WE GET FINED FOR IT. 
          YOU DO IT A SECOND TIME. 
          YOU GET AN INJUNCTION AGAINST YOU AND YOU GET FINE, DEEPEN MORE AND APPLY. 
          IT CAN BE LEVEL LEVIED AGAINST THE INDIVIDUAL, AS WELL AS AGAINST THE TOWN. 
          UM, WE CAN ONLY CHARGE, UH, ACTUAL OUT-OF-POCKET COSTS. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, IF A, UH, THE PERSON WHO WORKS FOR A PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, GETS PAID A $20 AN HOUR, AND HE IS THE PERSON THAT ACTUALLY IS PRODUCING THE RECORDS. 
          HE CAN CHARGE $20 AN HOUR AND NO MORE, NO EXTRA PROFITS OR OVERHEAD OR ANYTHING ELSE. 
          UM, WE HAVE TO PRODUCE THE RECORD, UH, IN THE FORM THAT WE HAVE IT. 
          HOWEVER, IF SOMEBODY WANTS A HARD COPY OF IT, UH, AND WE ARE ABLE TO PRODUCE A HARD COPY, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          YOU HAVE TO DO THAT. 
          JUST, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. 
          UM, SO IF WE DO PREVENT LIKE PERCENT A HARD COPY, LIKE YOU SAID EARLIER, SOMETHING THAT WAS LIKE 75,000 DOCUMENTS IS THAT, SO IF THEY WANTED LIKE PAPER COPIES OF THAT, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE EXPENSE OF THE PAPER IN THEIR PRINTER, BECAUSE THE ANA EXPENSIVE PRINTER COPIER PRINTER IS THAT, IS THAT, UM, PASSED ON TO THE PERSON REQUESTING IT. 
          IT CAN BE WHAT YOU DO IS YOU, UH, BEFORE YOU CAN CHARGE A REQUESTER FOR IT, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A GOOD FAITH ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST AND TELL THEM, LOOK, UM, WE CAN FURNISH IT TO YOU AT X COST. 
          IF WE GIVE IT TO YOU ELECTRONICALLY, LIKE IN A ZIP DRIVE OR A THUMB DRIVE OR WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO COST YOU, Y WHICH WILL BE FIVE TIMES AS MUCH, IF IT'S A PAPER COST, ARE YOU WILLING TO INCUR THAT EXPENSE? IF YOU ARE FINE, WHAT WE'LL SIT DOWN AND DO THAT FOR YOU? UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO IT IN HOUSE. 
          WE MAY BE ABLE TO SEND IT TO A, UH, A PRINTER AND GET IT TO YOU A LITTLE CHEAPER, UM, YOUR OPTION, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S YOUR CALL AN OLD DOCUMENT. 
          AND IT HAS TO BE SCANNED BECAUSE, I MEAN, IF THEY FOUND ONE IT ELECTRONICALLY AND SOMEBODY'S GOT TO STAND AT WHAT YOU ALL USE HERE, BUT LIKE AT SCHOOL WE HAVE LIKE A COPIER THAT CAN SCAN IT AS A PDF. 
          SO I'M ASSUMING WHICHEVER EMPLOYEE HAS TO BE AT THE COPY OR SCANNING IT, WE WOULD CHARGE FOR THEIR TIME. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          YEAH, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          UM, BEEN THERE AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT AND CRIMINAL RECORDS, UM, BASICALLY IF IT'S A, UM, CRIMINAL INCIDENT INFORMATION RELATING TO FELONY OFFENSES, UM, THE, UH, GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY REPORTED THE DATE OF THE ALLEGED CRIME, THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE ALLEGED CRIME, THE IDENTITY OF THE INVESTIGATING OFFICER, OR THE POINT OF CONTACT AND A GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF ANY INJURIES SUFFERED OR PROPERTY DAMAGED OR STOLEN IS GIVEN. 
          AND OUR VERBAL RESPONSE IS SUFFICIENT. 
          UM, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE GIVEN IN WRITING JUST A BOLD RESPONSE. 
          HOWEVER, IF THE RELEASE OF THE CRIMINAL INCIDENT INFORMATION IS LIKELY TO JEOPARDIZE ONGOING INVESTIGATION OR PROSECUTION, OR THE SAFETY OF AN INDIVIDUAL IT'S CAUSED THE SUSPECT TO FLEE OR INVADING THE DETECTION RESULT IN THE DESTRUCTION OF EVIDENCE, SUCH INFORMATION MAY BE WITHHELD UNTIL, UH, THAT, UH, DAMAGE, UH, 
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OR, UH, INJURY IS NO LIKELY, UH, TO OCCUR FROM THE RELEASE OF THE INFORMATION. 
          UM, AND, UH, ADULT ARREST, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN DURING THE INITIAL, UH, INTAKE, UH, IS RELEASABLE EXCEPT WHEN NECESSARY TO AVOID JEOPARDIZING AN INVESTIGATION. 
          UH, IN FELONY CASES, OF COURSE, JUVENILE INFORMATION IS NOT RELEASABLE, UM, RECORDS OF COMPLETED, UH, UNINTENDED DEATH INVESTIGATIONS TO THE PARENT OR SPOUSE OF THE DECEDENT OR DUNIA FAMILY MEMBERS, UM, IS RELEASABLE TO THAT, TO FAMILY MEMBERS, BUT NOT TO OTHER, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, UH, UH, SUICIDES OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          THAT'S PRIVATE INFORMATION, UH, MISDEMEANOR INFORMATION IS GENERALLY, UH, RELEASABLE AND THE DISCRETION THAT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT'S, UH, YOU MIND YOUR BUSINESS, THAT'S STRICTLY UP TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          AND THIS IS FOR YOU ONLY WITH RESPECT TO RECORDS. 
          YOU ALSO COVER MEETING RECORDS. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL BE GLAD THAT ANSWERED IT. 
          SURE. 
          I JUST HAD A FEW, BUT, UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A VIRGINIA STATUTE THAT GOVERNS OUR, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE TOWN STRICTLY STATE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IS IT POSSIBLE TO KNOW WHO THE REQUESTERS ARE FOR ON OUR END? YES. 
          THEY HAVE TO GIVE THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION, NAME, ADDRESS, AND OTHER CONTACT INFORMATION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IS THAT, IS THAT INFORMATION TYPICALLY WE'D BE ABLE TO REVIEW LIKE THE LIST OF 91 THIS YEAR, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, WE, UH, MOST ALL THE REQUESTS ARE, UM, THEY'RE NOT ONLY IN WRITING BECAUSE WE DO ASK FOR IT. 
          UM, MOST OF IT COMES IN ONLINE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WHEN IT'S A REQUEST THAT PERTAINS TO US INDIVIDUALLY, WE ALWAYS HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF IT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S FOR LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT TO JUST GO IN AND GRAB EMAILS AND WE, WE ALWAYS WE'D BE MADE AWARE OF THAT. 
          I MEAN, IS, IS IT YOU ALL AS INDIVIDUALS? YEAH, I THINK IS A MATTER OF COURTESY. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST DOUBLE CHECK AND I THINK THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YOU WENT IN THE HOUSE, HAVE YOU, IS THAT GOING TO FALL TO SCOTT'S HE ASKED ALMOST ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. 
          EXACTLY. 
          UM, IF THESE FOIL REQUESTS THAT CAME IN IN 91, UH, ARE WE ABLE TO SEE THEIR INVOICES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM AND HOW MUCH WAS, YOU KNOW, ESTIMATED OR CHARGED FOR HOURS ON THOSE ONES? UM, IS THAT PART OF THAT WE CAN SEE THE RECORD. 
          I'M SURE IF YOU WANT TO SEE THEM, WE'LL BE GLAD TO PROVIDE THEM. 
          NO. 
          UM, IT'S ALL PUBLIC 20, GIVE THAT PREDICTED 17 TO 1800 FOR CALENDAR YEAR 21. 
          HOW MANY WERE THERE IN 2020? I DON'T HAVE THAT. 
          WE COULD COMPILE THAT, BUT I DON'T HAVE IT BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING NUMBER JUST TO SEE AND HOW WE STACK UP. 
          UH, WE USED TO DO THAT WITH LIKE, UH, PERMITS, RIGHT? HOW MANY PERMITS WE'RE GETTING THAT LAST YEAR AT THE SAME TIME. 
          JUST CURIOUS TO SEE HOW IT STACKS UP. 
          UM, SO IF IT'S NOT, IF IT'S IN THE SCOPE OF A STAFF MEMBER, SO I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND, I NEED TO ASK ONE QUESTION HERE ABOUT HOW STAFF MEMBERS ARE PAID. 
          ARE THEY PAID AS CONTRACTORS WITH BILLABLE HOURS OR ARE THEY PAID HOURLY FOR DUTIES PERFORMED WITH THE NEW LINE OF WORK? STAFF MEMBERS WERE PAID SALARIES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF WE'RE CHARGING THE PUBLIC FOR SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE, WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WORK OF A STAFF MEMBER DURING THEIR NORMAL HOURS, I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE NOT BEING DONE AFTER HOURS. 
          ARE WE DOUBLE BILLING THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING PAID SALARY. 
          AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO, NOW WE'RE BILLING THE PUBLIC FOR A FOYER REQUEST THAT IS RELATING TO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IN THE LINE OF WORK. 
          LIBBY MINUTE, GO AHEAD, STEVEN, GO AHEAD. 
          IT'S STATUTORY. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S A STATUTORY PROCESS. 
          THAT'S DRIVEN BY OUR STAFF COULD BE TIED UP DOING NOTHING, BUT FOR WE REQUEST AND NOT DOING THE DAY-TO-DAY BUSINESS OF THE TOWN, THAT'S WHY WE'RE WE CHARGE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, IF IT WASN'T FOR THAT, THEN YEAH, WE WOULD BE STAFF. 
          WE'LL BE TIED UP DOING NOTHING BEFORE. 
          IN 2.2, THREE, SEVEN OH FOUR OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, WHICH DEALS WITH FOYA. 
          IT SAYS A PUBLIC BODY MAY MAKE REASONABLE CHARGES 
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NOT TO EXCEED ITS ACTUAL COSTS INCURRED IN ACCESSING DUPLICATING SUPPLY. 
          WE'RE SEARCHING FOR THE REQUESTED RECORDS, NO PUBLIC BODY SHALL IMPOSE ANY EXTRANEOUS INTERMEDIARY OR SURPLUS FEES OR EXPENSES THAT YOU COVERED TO REGROUP LIKE GENERAL COSTS. 
          THE GENERAL COST ASSOCIATED WITH CREATING OR MAINTAINING RECORDS OR TRANSACTING THE GENERAL BUSINESS OF THE PUBLIC BODY AND DUPLICATING FEE CHARGED ANY DUPLICATING FEE CHARGED BY A PUBLIC BODY SHALL NOT EXCEED THE ACTUAL COST OF DUPLICATION. 
          BUT YOU ALSO COVERED ALL CHARGES FOR THE SUPPLYING OF REQUESTED RECORDS SHALL BE ESTIMATED AND ADVANCES. 
          AND YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT AS WELL, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY WE DON'T CHARGE FOR, UH, UH, MORE ROUTINE AND SMALLER AMOUNTS, BUT WHEN THEY BECOME LARGE AND, UM, UH, PANCAKES, TIME CONSUMING, WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BECAUSE, UM, LIKE I'VE HAD, UM, SOME THAT TAKE WEEKS AND WEEKS TO DO, AND, UM, I CAN'T GET TO ANYTHING ELSE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY, AND THAT'S WHAT FOR YOU SPECIFICALLY AND EXPLICITLY PROVIDES FOR IT. 
          SO I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC, UM, AND THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY'VE EXPERIENCED WHAT THEY FEEL IS VERY HIGH IN VOICES. 
          THAT'S WHY I ASKED TO SEE THEM. 
          SO I'LL BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THOSE INVOICES ARE. 
          I JUST KNOW THAT IF THE THOUGHT AS A FEDERAL EMPLOYEE WAS TASKED TO COMPLETE A FOYER REQUEST, IN SOME RESPECT, WE WOULDN'T BUILD BACK THOSE HOURS FOR THAT REQUEST, UM, REGARDLESS OF HOW LONG IT TOOK. 
          UM, SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE, BEFORE WE REQUEST THAT, I THINK BROUGHT ALL THIS UP. 
          HOW, HOW BIG REQUEST WAS THAT? OH, WE GOT ONE. 
          UM, IT WAS EITHER AT THE END OF LA, I THINK IT WAS AT THE END OF THE LAST YEAR, UH, THAT, UH, WAS ALMOST 80,000 ON, UM, DOCUMENTS. 
          AND, UH, THERE WAS, IT'S A MATTER THAT RELATED, UH, TO OUR LAWSUIT, UH, AGAINST THE EDA. 
          AND, UM, THAT W IT WAS THE DOCUMENTS ARE, UH, UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE SPECIAL GRAND JURY, WHICH WAS SUBJECT TO A BLANKET ORDER THAT THE DOCUMENTS WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE RELEASED. 
          UM, UM, SO IT, UM, AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL IN LIMBO, WHETHER THEY CAN EVEN BE RELEASED AND WE WERE THREATENED WITH A LAWSUIT IF WE DIDN'T RELEASE HIM AND THREATENED WITH CONTEMPT OF COURT, IF WE DID. 
          AND, UM, THAT'S A CONUNDRUM. 
          SO CAN YOU SHARE THE RECENT ONE? WE HAD THE TWO, I RECALL YOU SAYING 15,000. 
          YEAH, THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, UM, JUST RECENTLY THAT WAS THIS YEAR, UH, UH, ONE OF, ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS THAT WAS LIKE 15,000 DOCUMENTS, MOST OF WHICH HAD REALLY DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY, UH, YOUR NAME, JERMAINE THIS TO THE, UH, WHAT THE REQUEST OR REALLY WANTED TO. 
          AND, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE REQUESTER, UM, MEANT TO ASK FOR THE BREADTH OF WHAT THE REQUESTS ARE ACTUALLY, UM, WROTE. 
          AND WE KIND OF NARROWED IT DOWN AND SAID, IS THIS WHAT YOU REALLY MEAN TO ASK FOR IT? AND THE REQUESTER SAID YES, BUT EVEN SO IT WAS A VERY LARGE NUMBER OF DOCUMENTS. 
          AND, UM, YEAH, I'M STAFF IS A, IT'S A SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE HERE, UH, WHERE WE HAVE ABOUT SIX, SEVEN PEOPLE IN TOWN HALL. 
          UM, SO IT'S NOT LIKE, UM, IT'S LIKE, WE'RE A LARGE, UM, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR STATE GOVERNMENT. 
          I MEAN, W WE, WE'RE NOT ONLY THAT THE REQUESTER WAS ONCE IN GOVERNMENT AND HE KNEW, I MEAN, HE HE'S, HE'S BEEN HERE AND HE WAS, HE SAID AT THIS TABLE FOR A FEW YEARS, SO HE, HE, HE KNOWS. 
          AND I, AND, AND THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WORK AFTER HOURS? A GOOD EXAMPLE IS WE HAD A THREE-DAY HOLIDAY THIS PAST WEEKEND. 
          I WORKED ALL THREE DAYS, UH, 10 OR 12 HOURS ALL THREE DAYS. 
          SO YEAH, I DO WORK EXTRA HOURS. 
          I VERY SELDOM DON'T WORK WEEKENDS DAIRY. 
          JUST ONE POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, DOUG, I WAS TAKEN BACK THE FIRST TIME I HEARD THIS AND YOU CAN GET A FOUR YEAR REQUEST IN THE SUPERMARKET AND IT, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS DUG IN AND, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT IT IN WRITING AND THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT HE IS, HE HADN'T MADE CLEAR TO US. 
          UM, MY SECOND POINT IS, IS, IS WE, WE GOTTA CHARGE THIS, OR WE WOULD NOT GET ANYTHING DONE 
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HERE AS FAR AS DOING THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS HERE FOR OUR TAIL. 
          THAT'S MY POINT, LAURIE. 
          UM, THE ONE THING THAT I, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY, AND LISTENING TO WHAT YOU WERE SPEAKING ABOUT IS, IS THAT IF, AND I HEAR WHAT, UM, COUNCILMAN MCFADDEN SAYING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE REALLY DOING IT DURING THE WORK HOURS THAT YOU'RE ALREADY BEING PAID FOR AND UNDERSTAND HOW THAT COULD SEE, YOU KNOW, BUT MY OTHER THOUGHT ON THAT IS, IS THAT IF, IF WE HAD LARGE REQUESTS LIKE THAT ALL THE TIME, IT COULD POSSIBLY, UM, LEAD US TO HAVE TO HIRE MORE STAFF, TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE FOYER REQUESTS AND THE THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND WHAT I WOULD, I WOULD NOT WANT TO DO IS TO INCUR MORE EXPENSES FOR THE TOWN'S CITIZENS OVERALL, TO HAVE TO HIRE EXTRA STAFF, TO BE ABLE TO FULFILL THESE REQUESTS. 
          I THINK THERE ARE SMALL REQUESTS AND THINGS THAT YOU COULD DO THEN, THEN I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BUT, BUT WHAT I WOULDN'T WANT US TO DO IS LITERALLY HAVE ONE DEPARTMENT AND THE TOWN HALL THAT'S JUST HANDLING FOYA. 
          THAT'S GONNA END UP COSTING THE TOWN, TAXPAYERS, ADDITIONAL SALARIES AND SUPPLIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THAT THAT'S WHERE I FEAR THAT THIS COULD GO IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY COSTS INCURRED WITH THE REQUESTS, UM, 91 AND 19 DAYS, 91 AND 19 DAYS. 
          AND I KNOW THEY'RE NOT ALL LARGE, BUT AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S NOT LIKE THERE ARE PEOPLE SITTING OVER HERE TWIDDLING THEIR THUMBS WITH TIME ON THEIR HANDS TO BE RESEARCHING AND LOOKING THINGS UP AND THEN RUNNING IT BY YOU TO MAKE SURE IT WAS LEGAL TO BE SHARED AND, AND THEN COPIED OR SCANNED. 
          I JUST THINK THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD GET, UM, THAT, THAT COULD GET VERY TIME-CONSUMING FOR STAFF. 
          AND I, I WOULD THINK THE END RESULT WOULD BE, WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE STAFF. 
          AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GO IS TO ADD STAFF JAKE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I FEEL LIKE, I FEEL LIKE, UM, HAS SOME FAT IN IT, THERE IS A, THERE'S A QUESTION HERE THAT YOU WANT TO ASK OR YOU HAVE SPECIFIC PURPOSE. 
          SO THE KIND OF REQUESTS FOR LAST YEAR VERSUS THIS YEAR, OR THE TOTAL CHARGES BY REQUEST, I THINK YOU'RE ULTIMATELY GETTING AT SOMETHING. 
          UM, AND I, I MIGHT BE INFERRING THAT IT'S, UH, WE NEED TO REDUCE OUR CHARGES OR MAKE THIS EASY TO ACCESSIBLE OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, BUT IS THERE A PARTICULAR, AND THAT YOU WANT OUT OF THIS THAT YOU CAN PUT ON THE TABLE TONIGHT THAT WE SAY, YOU KNOW, STEVEN, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO WORK TOWARDS OR COUNSEL, THIS IS WHAT I'M THINKING. 
          AND THEN WE NEEDED TO TRY TO ACCOMPLISH, UM, CAUSE I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO CREATE MORE TIME AND EFFORT FOR, FOR STAFF TO TRY TO DIG UP MORE INFORMATION FOR US. 
          I'D RATHER JUST PUT IT OUT THERE, WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO. 
          AND THEN LET'S, LET'S, LET'S BRING THAT BACK TO US AND A PROPOSAL TO ADDRESS IT, OR, YOU KNOW, AND GET COUNSEL TO LOOK AT IT THAT WAY OR WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING FOR DATA, I LIKE DATA. 
          I'M UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IT ALL MEANS. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE DATA THAN WE HAVE. 
          AND, UM, SO YOU WANT TO BE, IT'S ALMOST THOUGH, I MEAN, IT'S ALMOST LIKE MICRO-MANAGING, YOU CAN GIVE ME A WEBSITE THAT YOU GIVE ME A WEBSITE AND SAY, IT'S PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, GO FIND IT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO FIND THAT INFORMATION. 
          SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S READILY AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC DEFINED, I'M HAPPY TO GO THERE AND DO MY OWN RESEARCH. 
          I'M HAPPY TO, WELL, I'M SURE IF YOU WANT TO DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH, I'M SURE THEY HELP YOU OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. 
          WELL, I WAS IN, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE LIKE THAT. 
          I WAS JUST TRYING TO FLUSH OUT IF THERE WAS SOMETHING HE WANTS TO WORK TOWARDS, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          UM, I JUST NEED TO KNOW THE DETAILS. 
          I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE THE RIGHT INFORMATION. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T VERY IMPORTANT TO ME THAT I UNDERSTAND THINGS AS A NEW COUNCILMAN, THAT I DON'T JUMP INTO MAKING ANY JUDGEMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          THEN IN FACT, I HAVE THE INFORMATION PROVIDED AND I NEED TO KNOW. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO DO MY DUE DILIGENCE TO UNDERSTAND THINGS BEFORE I MAKE ANY, ANY JUDGEMENTS, NO RUSHING TO DOZENS ON ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING. 
          SO, SO MANY OF THE DATA. 
          SO WAS THERE SOMETHING MORE THAT DOUG NEEDED TO EXPLAIN TO YOU? ONE MORE QUESTION, WHICH WAS, HAVE WE EVER BEEN FINE? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE TRIED VERY HARD TO COMPLY WITH THE ACT. 
          WELL, ONE OF THE REASONS I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE 91 REQUESTERS, I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THERE'S ANY RETREAT, EITHER REPEAT OR REPEAT ISSUES AND THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE ANSWERED NOW. 
          I'M REALLY JUST CURIOSITY. 
          UH, THERE ARE A RE WELL, I CAN ANSWER, UH, THERE ARE A FEW REPEAT REQUESTERS ON, UH, ISSUES ARE A LOT OF TIMES TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS, 
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UH, REASSURANCE PURPOSES. 
          THAT'S A LOT ON SOMETIMES HOMEOWNERS OR WOULD BE, UH, PROSPECTIVE HOMEOWNERS, PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS PURCHASERS DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE THAT IT COMES UP A LOT LAWSUITS, UH, THAT COMES UP A LOT. 
          UM, SO THERE'S A MYRIAD OF ISSUES THAT, UH, UH, SEEMED TO BE, UH, OF, UH, CATEGORIES THAT COME UP A LOT. 
          BUT, UM, SOMETIMES IT'S, UH, UH, NEWS, UH, INVESTIGATIONS, JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON THE BACKGROUND OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, THANKS. 
          I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, SO THE QUESTIONS OF, OF SEEKING INFORMATION WHEN IT COMES TO THIS NUMBER OF POINTS COMPARED TO LAST YEAR COST COMPARED TO THE COSTS AND HOW MANY DO WE WANT TO COMPARE? UH, MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, WE'LL WORK WITH, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN MCFADDEN TO JUST ONE-ON-ONE OR, OR OPEN THERE TO MAKE SURE. 
          WELL, I MEAN, I WAS TRYING TO ASK THE QUESTION BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T NEED THE INFORMATION UNLESS WE'RE TRYING TO WORK TOWARDS SOMETHING. 
          RIGHT. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE INFORMATION TO HAVE INFORMATION. 
          SO, I MEAN, YOU WANT TO BE, YOU WANT TO KNOW EVERY REQUEST AND YOU WANT TO KNOW ALL THE DETAILS ON EACH WAY REQUEST. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? UM, NOW I JUST WANT TO SEE THAT HISTORICAL STATISTICAL DATA. 
          SEE WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HANG IT UP. 
          A STRANGE QUESTION IS SOMEBODY'S FOYER REQUEST FOIBLE  NO, I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, FOR US, FOR, FOR, UM, COUNSELING FAD TO ASK, LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY WERE SO IT, SO THE PUBLIC COULD KNOW WHO WAS DOING ALL THE REQUESTING. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANKS THOUGH. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          I FORGOT YOU. 
          UH, WE HAVE AN ADDITION TO THE AGENDA AND I FORGOT TO ADD IT ON THE, UH, CHRIS ADD ADDITION FOR US AS WELL. 
          SHE'S NOT WATCHING THE RESOLUTION AND THEN THE STIPENDS FOR THE BOARD AND COMMISSIONS. 
          SO IT HAS TO BE UNANIMOUS TO ADD. 
          SO YOU WANT TO READ, YOU WANT TO READ THE SUMMARY AND THEN WE'LL READ A SUMMARY AND THEN TAKE A ROLL CALL. 
          AFTER STAFF'S REVIEW OF THE CURRENT STIPENDS FOR THE VARIOUS BOARDS, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE VARIOUS BOARDS HAD NOT HAD AN INCREASE IN 2011 TOWN MANAGER HICKS, A SUGGESTED AMENDING THE SPANKINGS TO MAKE THEM INLINE WITH THE COUNTY OF WARREN COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE A BAR AT THE JANUARY 11TH, 2021 WORK SESSION CLOSED MEETING COUNSEL DISCUSSED THE STIPENDS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AND BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. 
          THEY AGREED TO MAKE THE STIPENDS IN LINE WITH THE COUNTY OF WARREN'S PLANNING, COMMISSION AND BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AND TO LEAVE THE BAR THE SAME. 
          IT WAS AGREED TODAY. 
          MEND THE STIPENDS AS FOLLOWS. 
          UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD BE $100 PER MONTHLY MEETING ATTENDED THE BZA WOULD BE $75 PER MONTHLY MEETING ATTENDED, AND THE BAR WOULD STAY THE SAME AT $50 PER MONTHLY MEETING ATTENDED. 
          THERE WILL BE NO STIPEND FOR ADDITIONAL MEETINGS AND MEMBERS MUST ATTEND THEIR MONTHLY MEETING TO RECEIVE THEIR STIPEND. 
          DID SOMEBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD, DO YOU HAVE TO DO THAT? UM, MAYOR I MOVE, WELL, HERE YOU GO. 
          I GUESS I WOULD MAKE IT THREE B CAUSE WE ALREADY DOWN, WE HAVE ZONING ORDINANCE AT THREE. 
          SO WE CAN WE MAKE THIS THREE B YES. 
          THAT'D BE A GOOD MOVE TO ADD TO THE AGENDA FOR THE WORK SESSION ON JANUARY THE 19TH, 2021, ITEM THREE B THE RESOLUTION TO AMEND STIPENDS FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND THEN VICE MAYOR COCKREL YES. 
          COUNCILMAN GILLESPIE. 
          YES. 
          COUNCILMAN LOYD. 
          COUNCILMAN MCFADDEN. 
          YES. 
          COUNCILMAN MEZA YES. 
          COUNCILMAN THOMPSON. 
          YEAH, NO, WE JUST EDITED. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO, UH, 20, 21 REVENUES CONTINGENCIES, MR. WILSON. 
          SO HE CAN SEE YOU SO WE CAN SEE SOME OF THE COUNCIL HERE FOR A MONTHLY REPORT FOR A REMEDIES EXTENDED SEASONS TO WHERE WE STAND. 
          UM, BACK WHEN THAT COVID FIRST HIT, WE PUT THE MONEY OVER INTO CONTINGENCIES TO KEEP IT ON THE SIDE, IN CASE OUR REVENUES COME IN LOWER THAN WHAT WE ANTICIPATED. 
          IS IT JUST TO KIND OF A MONTHLY REVIEW, QUICK OVERVIEW? THESE ARE NOT ALL OF OUR REVENUES, UH, APPROXIMATELY 78% OF OUR REVENUES. 
          SOME OF THE OTHER REVENUES 
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THAT ARE NOT SHARING ON HERE SUCH AS THE WHOLE REAL ESTATE PROPERTY TAX RECEIVERS UNTIL LATER IN THE YEAR. 
          UM, BUT OVERALL WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON IT. 
          WE'RE OVER IN SOME PLACES UNDER, UH, AND OTHERS. 
          UH, AS FAR AS THAT GOES, I'M HAPPY TO GO INTO MUCH DETAILS, UH, ON THESE ITEMS. UM, BUT OVERALL, NOTHING OF HUGE CONCERN AT THIS POINT, OR JUST CERTAINLY KEEPING A GOOD EYE ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS THAT CONTINGENCY AMOUNTS THAT WE HAVE SET ASIDE SHOULD INDEED COVER US, UH, THROUGH THE YEAR END. 
          UM, I WILL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO REQUEST RELEASE. 
          AND SOME OF THE OTHER PHONES RIGHT NOW THAT ARE, UH, REQUESTS THAT I PRESENTED TO COUNCIL IS TO RELEASE THE STREET FUNDS. 
          THE STREET FUNDS IS FROM, WE HAVE RECEIVED TWO PAYMENTS FROM VDI. 
          UH, EVERYTHING'S ON TRACK TO RECEIVE THE REST OF THE PAYMENTS FOR THIS YEAR. 
          SO WE'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND RELEASE THE, UH, THE CONTINGENCY AMOUNTS FOR $187,365 THERE. 
          UM, MOVING ON TO THE LAST PAGE, THEY ARE DELINQUENT UTILITY ACCOUNTS. 
          WHAT WE DID YESTERDAY, I'M SORRY. 
          SORRY. 
          THE, UM, I JUST REALIZED TOO, WE USED TO HAVE A CONTENT LIKE THE ITEMIZED LIST OF CONTINGENCY ITEMS THAT CORRESPONDED WITH THESE ACCOUNTS. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE IF, UM, THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD SEEN THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY PUSH THAT DOWN, PUSH THAT OUT. 
          SO I WAS JUST GONNA REITERATE TO, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THIS FROM PRIOR MEETINGS, BUT WHEN COVID HIT THIS COUNCIL WENT THROUGH, UH, AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF ITEMS THAT WE COULD TAKE OFF THE TABLE FOR THE YEAR, UM, THAT WERE BUDGETED AND WE WERE READY TO SPEND THE MONEY. 
          UM, BUT WE WANTED TO REMOVE IT AND WAIT TO SEE HOW OUR REVENUES TRENDED. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD SLOWLY ADD BACK THINGS IN FROM THAT LIST IN PURCHASE AS A, AS OUR REVENUES TRENDED, WHERE WE THOUGHT THAT WAY, IF THEY DIDN'T, OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T SPEND THE MONEY AND WE KEPT THE TOWN GOOD SHAPE. 
          UM, THEN WE HAVE RELEASED SOME OF THE ITEMS, SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT, UH, UM, YOU'LL SEE IN THE PURPLE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE, UH, USED ON CONTINGENCY. 
          UH, THE STREET FUNDS IS MAINLY THE PAYMENT, OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOU'D HAVE MAINTENANCE, SO IT'S GOING TO GO FORWARD. 
          UM, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S GOING A GOOD PAVING. 
          UM, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY PUSH OUT THE, UM, UM, THE DETAILED LIST ON THAT. 
          THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. 
          SO CAN YOU PUSH OUT THE ORIGINAL ONE THAT HAD LIKE THE WHOLE KITTEN CABOODLE? YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, DID YOU, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT MERIT AND COMP STUDY IS THE THIRD YEAR OF OUR COMPENSATION STUDY FOR OUR PULLEYS AND THE MERIT RAISES THIS YEAR, WE DID GO BACK TO JULY 1ST AND IMPLEMENT THAT, UM, FOR ALL EMPLOYEES, THE MERITS ARE BASED ON YOUR EVALUATION DATE. 
          UM, AND IT'S NOT A SPECIFIC AMOUNT BASED ON THEIR PAGE GRADE, BASICALLY ON JANUARY. 
          WE HELD THAT FOR ABOUT ALMOST FIVE MONTHS WITH ACTUALLY YEAH, THE, UM, THE COMPENSATION STUDY WAS PAID OUT. 
          UM, LET ME THINK ABOUT THIS COMPENSATION WAS PAID UP IN DECEMBER AND THEN THE, UM, THE MERITS THAT I SHOULD BE, UH, FINGERS CROSSED OUR NEXT PAYABLE. 
          SO WE HELD OFF ON THIS INSTEAD OF HITTING OUR IMPLEMENTATION DATE AS PART OF THE CONTINGENCY PLANS AS WELL. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I WAS GETTING THERE. 
          YES. 
          SO THE, UM, UH, UTILITY ACCOUNTS AND THIS, THIS IS, UH, CERTAINLY A GOOD ITEM HERE. 
          THE, UH, THE NUMBER OF ACTIVE UTILITY ACCOUNTS, UH, THAT ARE DELINQUENTS THAT HAS BEEN INTRODUCED IN NOVEMBER OF 2020. 
          WE WERE WITH 1,083, RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 722. 
          UM, AS WELL AS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WITH THAT, UM, WENT DOWN, UH, AS WELL, NOVEMBER, UH, 2020 WAS 576,000, DECEMBER, 2020 IS 482,000. 
          A LOT OF THAT HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THE, UH, THE FUNDS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM SOCIAL SERVICES FOR PEOPLE ASSISTANCE. 
          UM, THE FUEL ASSISTANCE FUND, UH, SOCIAL SERVICES PAYS A PORTION OF THE UTILITY BILL. 
          WHEN I SAY PORTION, THEY'LL PAY THE, UM, THE ELECTRIC PORTION OF YOUR BILL. 
          AND, UM, WE HOLD ON TO THAT MONEY UNTIL ABOUT MARCH AND IT'S APPLIED AS WE MOVE ALONG. 
          SO, UH, SOME CUSTOMERS, YOU KNOW, YOU USE IT UP RIGHT OFF THE BAT, OTHERS THAT'LL LAST THEM. 
          UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? I'M HAPPY TO DIG INTO ANYTHING, A LITTLE DEEPER IF YOU'D LIKE IT, IS IT A RIGHT LINE OF THINKING? I THINK WITH HER ENTERPRISE FUNDS, IF ANY OF THEM ARE SIGNIFICANTLY OFF THIS YEAR AND WE HAVE A DEFICIT, WE HAVE COSTS THAT WE HAVE TO OVERCOME NEXT YEAR, THAT WE WOULD ADJUST THE RATES TO DO THAT. 
          UM, THAT ISN'T THE CORRECT. 
          THE, UM, UH, SO THE, UH, YOU MAY REMEMBER, UH, SOME OF THE OTHERS MAY NOT OBVIOUSLY, BUT THE, UH, UM, WE HAD A COST OF SERVICE STUDY DONE FOR THE WATER AND SEWER. 
          UH, WE DID PUSH OFF THE WATER, RAISING THE WATER RATES LAST YEAR. 
          WE DIDN'T HAVE AT 19, UH, THIS YEAR, UH, THE ISA THIS YEAR, UH, EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, THE A, IT WOULD BE A 2% INCREASE. 
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SO IT WILL BE 3.5% INCREASE BASED UPON THE COST OF SERVICE STUDY. 
          THAT WAS DONE. 
          POINT THAT OUT TOO. 
          CAUSE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL ON ENTERPRISE, UM, GENERAL FUND. 
          UM, IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN JUST GO BACK TALK TAX BASE AND RAISE TAXES, OVERCOME DEFICIT. 
          SO THE ONLY THING YOU COULD DO TYPICALLY WHEN YOU'RE IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, AND WE ALSO DID WHEN WE WERE IN A MALL RECESSION BACK IN THE DAY IS YOU ALWAYS TAP INTO YOUR UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE, WHICH AGAIN IS JUST DEPLETING. 
          YOUR SAVINGS WAS GENE. 
          IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT FUNDS BALANCE IS THAT USUALLY REFERRED TO AS THE, EACH, EACH ACCOUNT HAS A, ON A SIGN AND FUND BALANCE AND WHAT IT IS IS PRETTY MUCH RESERVED. 
          AND TYPICALLY IN THE GENERAL FUND, WE TRY TO MAINTAIN AT LEAST SO 30% OF YOUR TOTAL OPERATION FOR UNFORESEEN, THEN YOU TRY TO DO THE SAME, OR YOU ALSO USE IT AS A WAY TO USE IT FOR ONE TIME, CAPITAL PURCHASES THAT'S APPROPRIATE, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO REFRAIN AS MUCH AS YOU CAN USE IT. 
          ANY IDEA OF THAT, THAT SHE CAN WHAT'S OUR CURRENT. 
          AND WHAT PERCENTAGE IS OUR CURRENT RESERVE AT EACH FUND? EACH FUND IS A LITTLE NOW HE FUNDS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, I BELIEVE HE'S AND ELECTRICAL POLO, THE RESERVE AMOUNTS, UM, GENERAL MINE DEPENDS ON IF YOU TAKE THE INTO ACCOUNT, THE OTHER ONE, UM, THAT'S A KIND OF A GRAY AREA. 
          UH, WE COULD HAVE AN ENTIRE SUBJECT ON THIS. 
          IF I WANT TO STOP THREE MONTHS, ROUGHLY THREE MONTHS, THREE MONTHS WHAT'S RECOMMENDED BY THE STATE, RIGHT? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE'D GO INTO DETAIL WITH FINANCE MAY REVIEW. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYBODY ELSE THERE? JUST FOR SOME HISTORY THERE TOO, THERE'S BEEN SIGNIFICANT DEBATE AROUND THIS TABLE AND THAT'S WHY PEOPLE ARE LAUGHING ON WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD TAP INTO THOSE. 
          YOU ROLL YOUR EYES AT THAT ONE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS, UM, LIKE WHAT DO YOU DO ONCE YOU START DATING FOUR MONTHS, FIVE MONTHS? LIKE, DO YOU HOLD ONTO THAT MONEY FOR RAINY RAINY DAYS? OR CAN WE START SPENDING IT? OR ANYWAYS, IT'S A BALANCING ACT. 
          AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT IS BASED ON, AND I ENCOURAGED IS BASED ON THE PROJECTED REVENUES OF HOW THE FYI 2223 ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT ASSESSMENTS ARE GOING UP. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, THAT SOME ECONOMISTS ARE SAYING TWO YEARS, YOU KNOW, THINGS MAY NOT BE THE SAME. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, YOU SAVE NOW AND EITHER YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND IT, BUT, UH, AT THE, UH, AT THE NEXT, UH, REP WORK SESSION, WE ARE GONNA, I AM GONNA SHARE MY RECOMMENDATION FOR THE UPCOMING BUDGET PROCESS. 
          JUST GIVE YOU A SENSE, WHAT WE'RE THINKING. 
          SO I KNOW I'M TAKING, I ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS IN THESE SESSIONS. 
          THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO JUST KIND OF PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER. 
          IF I WERE TO MAYBE MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH LIKE BJ AND MEET WITH HIM AND ASK THESE QUESTIONS. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S PROBABLY A BETTER WAY FOR ME TO BE DOING THIS THAN JUST WAITING TO WORKSPACE? YEAH. 
          MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. 
          UM, THAT'S A GOOD THING. 
          I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT ALL WORKS. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, MAYBE I'LL AFTER THE MEETING, I CAN ASK YOU WHEN'S A GOOD TIME. 
          THANKS. 
          I CERTAINLY SPENT MY TIME AND ALL THE DIRECTORS OPPOSITES, I JUST DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WAS A THING. 
          SO, AND BJ IS A GREAT TEACHER. 
          ANYBODY ELSE?  ALRIGHT. 
          SO ANY WARNINGS, TIM, WE ALL LAUGH. 
          WHAT ARE Y'ALL LAUGHING AT?  HOW'S IT GOING? YES, I CAN BE RIGHT IN THERE. 
          READY TO, YEAH. 
          PREVIOUSLY I BROUGHT THE COUNCIL'S DETENTIONS, UM, UH, PROBLEMS THAT I HAD ENCOUNTERED WITH APARTMENT PERMITTING AND THOSE PROBLEMS WERE PRIMARILY TARGETED IN THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT. 
          SO WHAT I'VE PREPARED SINCE OUR LAST MEETING IS A PROPOSAL SET OF, UH, RECOMMENDED CHANGES. 
          AND I, AND I DID MAKE THESE SPECIFIC TO THE C2 DOWNTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT, BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE EACH OF THE PROBLEM ACTUALLY DID OCCUR. 
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AS I TRIED TO BE PRECISE, UH, TO WHERE THE PROBLEM WAS, WHAT I LOOKED AT DOING. 
          AND WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS IN TERMS OF THE SEAT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. 
          ONE OF THE CHANGES I MADE WAS IT DOES ALLOW BY RIGHT TO CONVERT BUILDINGS WITH A GREATER NUMBER OF UNITS. 
          AND I PUT THAT NOT TO EXCEED SIX, AND THAT WOULD JUST BE CONSIDERED A MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING BY, BY OUR DEFINITION. 
          SO THAT WOULD KIND OF KICK YOU OUT OF THE APARTMENT AND LET YOU DO UP TO SIX UNITS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA BY RIGHT ALSO IN, UM, SECTION ONE 75, 48, UH, I CAN LEAVE IT APART. 
          UH, A PORTION PREVIOUSLY, RENT, APARTMENTS LOCATED, AND BUILDINGS CONSTRUCTED AFTER JANUARY ONE, 1999 HAD TO OCCUR. 
          I RESEARCHED COULD NOT FIND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF WHAT THAT DATE MEANT. 
          SO I DID STRIKE THAT, THAT DATE FROM THERE AND JUST KEPT IT SIMPLE TO, UH, APARTMENT USE, UH, REGARDLESS OF THE YEAR OF, OF WHAT THE YEAR WAS AND LET SOMEONE ON COUNCIL HAS SOME SIGNIFICANCE FOR THAT. 
          ONE OF THE BIGGEST, UH, OBSTACLES, UH, FOR A MAJOR PROJECT WE HAD WAS LOT SIZE. 
          SO UNDER SECTION ONE 49 AREA REGULATIONS OF C2, WHAT I DID WAS SIMPLY MAKE IT THAT, UM, THERE ARE NO AREA REQUIREMENTS EXCEPT IN THE CASE OF APARTMENTS, UH, WHEREBY THE LOT MUST BE 3000 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND AFTER THAT I DELETED LANGUAGE, WHICH ADDED 1000 SQUARE FEET FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL DWELLING UNITS. 
          WHAT I'M DOING THERE IS JUST LETTING THE SIZE OF THE PARCEL, THE MINIMUM SIZE OF APARTMENT HEIGHT, ALL THESE OTHER FACTORS. 
          I GOT A GOOD CONTROL, DID IT THAT DENSITY. 
          SO I DID NOT SEE A NEED FOR AND EXPRESS THE DENSITY REQUIREMENT JUST GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE LATITUDE AND WHAT THAT DOES, YOU KNOW, I I'VE ALSO, UH, MADE IT THAT PUTS IT UNDER A, THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT CONDITION. 
          AND, UM, ONE OF THE LARGEST CHANGES, UM, THAT I HAVE IN HERE IS THAT WHAT I DID DELETE WAS, AND YOU'LL SEE IN SECTION ONE 75, UM, DASH ONE 33 SAYS ALL APARTMENT DEVELOPMENTS, EXCEPT FOR THE APARTMENT, UH, DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING IN THE DOWNTOWN C2 BUSINESS DISTRICT SHALL COMPLY WITH THE FOLLOWING REGULATIONS. 
          AND JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY CARE, WERE THEY THREE OR FOUR PAGES OF VOLUMINOUS REGULATIONS CONCERNING APARTMENTS? AND WHAT I'VE DONE BY REMOVING THAT FROM THE C2 DISTRICT HAS REMOVED THOSE CONSTRAINTS. 
          THE LARGEST ONE WAS THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT SIZE, WHICH WAS THE DEPTH. 
          NOW ONE PROJECT THAT WE HAD IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD STILL BE FREE TO USE THESE AS A GUIDELINE AND THE C2 DISTRICT. 
          BUT, BUT WHAT I'M DOING IS PROVIDING YOU WITH AS MUCH FLEXIBILITY AS POSSIBLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BECAUSE THE LOT SIZE IS THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT IS A DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT THAN WHAT YOU FIND IN OTHER AREAS OF THE TOWN AND THE CONCEPT OF THE ONE SET OF APARTMENT REGULATIONS. 
          IT'S ALL JUST DOESN'T WORK REAL WELL. 
          AND IT WORKS PROBABLY WORST OF ALL AND THAT, SO WHAT I'VE DONE IS ELIMINATE THOSE OR RECOMMENDED THE ELIMINATION OF THOSE IN THEIR ENTIRETY. 
          SO YOU WOULD NOT BE CONSTRAINED BY THOSE, BUT YOU COULD CERTAINLY USE THESE AS GUIDELINES. 
          AND THOSE AREN'T THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I DO HAVE AS I EXPRESSED BEFORE. 
          UH, I WANTED TO, UH, PROVIDE YOU THIS COUNSEL WITH AS MUCH FLEXIBILITY AND LOOKING AT INDIVIDUAL PROPOSALS, UNFETTERED BY, UH, MANDATORY REQUIREMENTS AND THAT YOU COULD IMPOSE WHATEVER REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU DEEMED NECESSARY FOR THE PROJECT OR FOR THE BETTERMENT OR SO THERE'LL BE NO ADVERSE IMPACTS FOR OTHER BUSINESSES OR SO FORTH IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. 
          AND I DO SUPPORT THESE. 
          IF THE COUNCILS SUPPORT THESE AS WRITTEN, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE, UH, I WOULD PREPARE A RESOLUTION BY WHICH THAT'S HOW YOU WOULD OFFICIALLY ADOPT THAT, AND THAT WOULD KICK OFF THE TRADITIONAL PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. 
          THEY WOULD SEND IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION, THEN BACK TO THIS COUNCIL FOR FORMAL ACTION, OR IT COULD BE READINGS. 
          I THINK IT DOES START STORE. 
          I THINK YOU'VE DONE THE TWO, TWO RATINGS ON, ON, ON THE ZONING, JAKE. 
          YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. 
          YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GIVING COUNSEL THE MOST FLEXIBILITY IN DEALING WITH IT. 
          UM, WHERE I WOULD SAY IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY AS YOU KNOW, WE WANTED YOU 
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TO HAVE THE MOST FLEXIBILITY TO WORK WITH INDIVIDUALS, TO DEVELOP OUT DOWNTOWN AND APARTMENTS AND EVERYTHING, UM, AND NOT HAVE SO MANY, SO MANY CONSTRAINTS PREVENTING THEM FROM BEING CREATIVE AND THINKING ABOUT WAYS TO, UM, COME UP WITH, UH, APARTMENT SPACING. 
          UM, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT, UM, QUITE NUANCE, BUT TRYING TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'VE DONE, TRYING TO MAKE THIS EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO DEVELOP DOWN THERE AND NOT SO RESTRICTIVE. 
          YEAH, VERY WELL NOTED. 
          AND WHAT I DID, WHAT I DID, I BUMPED THAT UP TO SIX BY RIGHT. 
          CAUSE BEFORE THE TRADITIONAL NUMBER TO TRIGGER APARTMENT WOULD BE, IF YOU HAD THREE UNITS, YOU WOULD BE APARTMENT. 
          SO I DID PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE LATITUDE ON ADMINISTRATIVE, BUT AS IT BECAME A LARGER PROJECT, I THOUGHT IT WAS PROBABLY BEST LUCK WITH, WITH, WITH THE COUNCIL TO, TO TAKE A LOOK ON A CASE BY CASE. 
          BUT ONE MORE THING ON THAT. 
          IT DOES GET HARD IF THERE'S, IF THERE, I CAN'T THINK OF THE SITUATION NECESSARILY OFF THE, OFF THE CUFF, BUT IF, IF EVERY PERMIT THAT'S COMING THROUGH IS DIFFERENT AND THEY EACH COME UP TO COUNCIL, THEN ONE COUNCIL MIGHT APPROVE ONE, WHEREAS THE NEXT COUNCIL MIGHT NOT APPROVE THE OTHER ONE. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHERE I'M TRYING TO PUSH BACK MORE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND, UM, IN YOUR ROLE, UM, SO THAT THERE'S CONSISTENCY IN HOW WE'RE APPROACHING IT AND APPROVING. 
          UM, AND PERHAPS, MAYBE THOSE ONE-OFFS THAT ARE STRONGLY APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN YOU ARE SUPPORTED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN YOU COUNCIL CAN ADOPT KNOWING THAT YOU GUYS WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          I JUST, JUST TRYING TO PREVENT COUNCIL TO REMAIN IN THAT SITUATION WHERE WE'RE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO DECIDE THE ONE-OFFS. 
          YEAH. 
          ESPECIALLY. 
          SO WHILE MASSAGE IN THE US IS COUNSEL AND SUPPORTIVE OF THE SIX EXISTING ON 12 LANES IN A COMBINE, OR WOULD YOU WANT MORE FLEXIBILITY FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL STANDPOINT, WE CAN MAKE THAT LARGER. 
          AND, AND JUST THE OTHER REASON WHY I LOOKED AT THE STRIKING THAT SECTION ONE 13 IN ITS ENTIRETY IS THAT THAT GIVES YOU THE MOST LATITUDE THAT PUBLIC HEARING. 
          IF THERE ARE CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF ONE 13, AND YOU MAY WISH TO RETAIN, YOU CAN DO IT BY SAYING, BUT BY SAYING THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RESCINDING THE ENTIRE SECTION, THAT GIVES YOU GREAT FLEXIBILITY TO, IF YOU WANT TO HANG ON TO CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THAT, AFTER YOU GO THROUGH YOUR HEARING PROCESS, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SO. 
          I LIKE TO SEE IT'S INCREASED OR NOT EVEN HAVE A NUMBER, OR, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, IS THERE A WAY WE COULD, UH, WELL, A CASE BY CASE BASIS, MAYBE I THINK, I THINK THE BEST THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME PARAMETERS, RIGHT? I MEAN, AND I WOULD, I'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH EIGHT BECAUSE OUTSIDE OF THAT, YOU'RE STARTING AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LITTLE BIT MORE, FIRST OF ALL, THE NET LAND FOR THEM TO BUILD THAT MANY WILL BE LIMITED ANYWAYS. 
          AND THEN DEPENDING ON THE SIZE AND DUPLEX, I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD WEIGH IN BASED ON SOMEWHAT THE CONSTITUENTS CONCERNS AND GO WE'LL HAVE TRIGGER POINTS WHERE AS PART OF THE SUP WE'LL BE ABLE TO KIND OF WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME INPUT ON IT. 
          I JUST WANT TO SAY, THANKS. 
          UM, THIS IS PERFECT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES A FUTURE OF INVESTORS, DEVELOPERS, A WAY TO PUT USE A LOT OF THE UPSTAIRS SPACE IN THESE BUILDINGS HERE ON THE DOWNTOWN AREA. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, AT 300 SQUARE FEET, THAT'S A PERFECT STUDIO APARTMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, WE NEED MORE OF THOSE. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          ARE WE GOOD WITH EIGHT, CHANGING THAT TO EIGHT AND GET RID OF ONE 13? YEAH, I'VE GOT TWO QUESTIONS. 
          SO WHAT IMPACT WOULD THIS HAVE ON THOSE UNITS THAT ARE CURRENTLY LIKE NON-CONFORMING IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA? WOULD IT HAVE ANY IMPACT? BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF COMMON ISSUES WHERE YOU'VE GOT, UM, JUST REALLY BAD LIVING CONDITIONS, OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, WOULD THIS, WOULD THIS ALLOW ANY, IS THIS GOING TO IMPACT THAT AT ALL OR NO? AND THE SECOND ONE WAS, UM, SO IF I WENT TO THE PUB, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHAT JAKE WAS SAYING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT WOULD GO THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING THERE AS WELL. 
          SO I GUESS THE LAST COMMENT THEN, I MEAN, YOU'RE MORE OF A COMMENT THAN A QUESTION. 
          SO IF YOU WERE STANDING, YOU WOULD COME TO COUNCIL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IT WAS GOING THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALREADY FOR THAT. 
          SO WE ALMOST HAVE LIKE DOUBLE LAYER OF PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT FOR THE CITY. 
          UH, SORRY. 
          IF, IF WE HAD AN SUP OR AN APPROVAL ON SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF SEVEN OR HEY, WE'RE GOING WITH IT, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          THANKS, TIM. 
          WE'LL HAVE THAT RESOLUTION FOR YOU, RIGHT? YOU WANT THIS 
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RESOLUTION BECAUSE A MISTYPE IS FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. 
          WE, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST WORK SESSION AND THIS IS WHAT WE ALL PRETTY MUCH AGREED ON. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS CONFUSED WHEN THIS WAS BEING ADDED TO THE AGENDA OR DID WE ADD IT TO THE AGENDA TO VOTE ON THIS? OR I DON'T THINK WE COULD VOTE WITH THIS. 
          IS THERE A REGULAR MEETING? I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED WHEN I SEEN IT TOO, BECAUSE IT'S LIKE A TEST. 
          THE VOTE ARE THE ONES THAT I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN AT A REGULAR MEETING. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT, ACTUALLY, YEAH, IT WAS A CLOSED SESSION. 
          IT WOULD COME OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON IT. 
          SO W AND TO THE NEXT STEP, YES. 
          SET AGENDA. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS, SO THIS ISN'T THE TIME TO, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE. 
          YES. 
          WE'RE INCREASING IT. 
          BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE OVERALL PICTURE WITH THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE, IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE A HUGE IMPACT IN OUR BUDGET TO INCREASE THESE STIPENDS. 
          AND WE'RE HOPING THAT THAT WILL INCREASE THE, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE INTERESTED IN SERVING FOREST, BRINGING US UP TO PAR WITH THE COUNTY AND ENCOURAGING ANYBODY. 
          I DON'T THINK THE A HUNDRED DOLLARS OR $50 MEETING FEES ENCOURAGING ANYBODY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          NO, BUT I THINK WE FIGURED OUT WAS LIKE $1,800 MORE. 
          IT WAS LIKE, WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE, IF IT'S GOING TO ON CONSENT, PERHAPS YOU CAN PUT IT IN THE SUMMARY. 
          CAN WE PUT THAT IN CONSENT? DOUG, CAN WE PUT THIS IN CONSENT SINCE IT'S? OR SHOULD WE, YOU CAN, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THE REQUISITE VOTE, UM, UM, WELL, DID ME DO THAT? I AGREE WITH JAKE, I THINK PUTTING IN THE SUMMARY, WHAT, HOW MUCH MONEY THIS WOULD IMPACT IS A GOOD THING FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC TOO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WHAT WAS IT FOR YOU CAN DISCUSSION OVER LIMIT TO DO, WHEREAS LIKE YOUR REGULAR MEETING AGENDAS. 
          I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TIMES. 
          DO YOU REMEMBER, WAS THERE, WAS THERE AN OPTION FOR WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK THE ORDER OF BUSINESS WOULD BE ABLE TO TURN OUT? WELL, I THINK AT THE FIRST REGULAR MEETING OF EACH YEAR, I THINK WE'RE, WE WOULD SET THE AGENDA AS WE SEE FIT FOR THE YEAR, BUT I BELIEVE WE COULD ALSO CHANGE IT IN MY RIGHT STEVEN. 
          WE COULD CHANGE IT FIRST, REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING. 
          YOU WOULD SET HOW OFTEN COUNCIL WANTS TO MEET AND GIVES YOU THE FLEXIBILITY. 
          AND THEN YOU WOULD SET, UM, THROUGHOUT THE, THE DATES AND TIMES. 
          AND THEN IF FOR SOME REASON YOU ALL WANT TO CHANGE THAT. 
          AND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR, IT GIVES YOU THAT FLEXIBILITY. 
          YOU WANT IT TO BE, IF IT'S NOT GOING, IF, IF THE IDEA TO CHANGE THE ORDER OF THE MEETING, DO YOU HAVE A PROPOSED IDEA OF HOW YOU WOULD LIKE THE MEETING TO RUN VERSUS HOW IT'S RUN NOW? RIGHT NOW? UH, STEPHEN AND I, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY DOING A ONE WORK SESSION A MONTH, UH, AND THEN DOING A REGULAR ONE REGULAR MEETING A MONTH ALSO, UM, AT, UH, THE REGULAR MEETINGS. 
          MAYBE WE CAN START AT SIX 30 AT PUBLIC COMMENTS, SIX 30 AND START A REGULAR MEETING AT SEVEN O'CLOCK. 
          THAT WAY CITIZENS CAN COME IN AND HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO TALK, UM, AT SIX 30 AND THEN SEVEN O'CLOCK, UH, OR MAYBE A LITTLE AFTER, OR HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES THAT WE CAN START A REGULAR MEETING AND THEN NEGATIVELY, THEY DON'T HAVE THIS HANG AROUND. 
           SURE. 
          UM, I THINK GOD SHOULD COME BEFORE THE COUNTRY ONE YEAR AND YOU KNOW, IT BLOWS MY MIND. 
          IT ALWAYS HAS. 
          I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE MOMENT OF SILENCE SHOULD DO BEFORE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          I NEVER REALLY THOUGHT EVERYBODY GATHERING MY PAIN. 
          UM, JUST A THOUGHT ABOUT SOME OF THIS TOO, IS, UH, ADAM HAD SOME PEOPLE REACH OUT TO ME AND I HAD NEVER THOUGHT OF IT THIS WAY, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT, IT, IT COULD BE A CONCERN. 
          I HAD SOME CITIZENS SHARE THAT THEY FELT UNCOMFORTABLE SHARING THEIR ADDRESS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S RECORDED AND THAT ANYBODY CAN SEE IT. 
          UM, AND THEY SAID, THEY FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE SHARING THEIR ADDRESS AS THEY BEGAN TO SPEAK. 
          AND IF IT WAS SOMETHING CONTROVERSIAL OR SOME THAT THEY FELT LIKE THAT, THAT THEN, UM, YEAH, THAT IT BASICALLY ANNOUNCED TO THE PUBLIC, THIS IS WHERE I LIVE. 
          AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY DIDN'T AGREE WITH, THEY, THEY FELT THEY MADE THEM FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE AND I NEVER REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          I THINK THAT WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THAT. 
          MAYBE EVEN MAYBE THE PUBLIC PORTION SHOULDN'T 
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BE THE, IT SHOULDN'T BE PART OF THE VIDEO TAPING  BEFORE THE MEETING, RIGHT. 
          THE PRESENTATION. 
          SO THE PUBLIC, WHEN PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING, BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY SPEAKING TO US, THEY'RE NOT SPEAKING TO THE PUBLIC THERE, THEY'RE ADDRESSING THE COUNCIL WITH THEIR CONCERNS, THAT PART WOULDN'T BE PART OF THE VIDEO. 
          AND THEN IF THEY WANT TO SAY WHERE THEY LIVE, THEN IT'S JUST HARD OF OUR MINUTES. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          HOW DO YOU WANT, I WOULD THINK THING FOR ROYAL BROWN COUNTY, I WOULD GIVE A LATASHA'S ADDRESS. 
           BUT TO ADDRESS THAT SPECIFIC AGENDA, WHY NOT JUST HAVE THEM STATE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE A RESIDENT IN TOWN OR FOR A WHILE, OR RESIDENT OR COUNTY OR WHATEVER RESIDENCY, BUT NO WAY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, THAT'S FINE. 
          I THINK THAT'S GOOD. 
          MAYBE THERE'LL BE SPEAKING BEFORE A MEETING ANYWAY, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE OUT FOR THE WHOLE PUBLIC. 
          I WASN'T BEING RECORDED. 
          LIKE OUR MEETING WAS GOING TO START AT SIX 30 AND INCLUDE THEIR COMMENTS OR COMMENTS WILL BE BEFORE OR RECORDED. 
          RIGHT. 
          I TH I THINK THAT THE, I WOULD BE A VOTE FOR KEEPING THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AS PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD SO THAT THE PUBLIC IS GENERALLY AWARE OF WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE BRINGING TO THE COUNCIL. 
          UM, YEAH, I'VE FOUND IT USEFUL TO, TO HEAR THE COMMENTS MYSELF, JUST AS A CITIZEN. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S, UM, LIKE A SEPARATE PART OF THE PROCESS OF GOVERNING PERSONALLY. 
          I AGREE. 
          WE HAVE TO ATTEND THAT SIX 30 SESSION, OR IF WE JUST SHOW UP AT SEVEN, MEANING WE WOULD SHOW UP AT SIX 30 FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING NOT GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING AS REALLY THE PUBLIC ADDRESSING THE COUNCIL WITH THEIR CONCERNS, I THINK SOMETIMES IT GETS MISCONSTRUED THAT PEOPLE THINK IT'S THE PUBLIC SPEAKING TO THE PUBLIC. 
          THEY'RE REALLY SPEAKING US. 
          THEY'RE SHARING WITH US. 
          THESE ARE CONCERNS THAT I WANT TO BRING BEFORE YOU. 
          SO I THINK MIGHT HAVING, WE, WE SHOULD PROBABLY BEAT HER HERE TALKING TO US. 
          I MEAN, UNLESS, UNLESS SOMEBODY FOR  AND, UM, UH, BEFORE OUR REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING, I GUESS TODD AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT WAS GONNA BE TIGHT FOR YOU. 
          AND YOU WERE JUST SAYING LIKE, IF IT'S, I GUESS IT'S ONCE A MONTH, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO PLAN AHEAD OF THAT. 
          BUT MOST TIMES I COME STRAIGHT FROM WINCHESTER TO THESE MINIONS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          EITHER BEFORE OR AFTER THE MEETING,  ALLOWS THE PUBLIC OPPORTUNITY, YOU KNOW, FOR THEM TO GET THERE AS WELL. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          IT'S A CAT. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO CAN'T MAKE IT IN TIME. 
          IF THEY'RE COMING FROM WINCHESTER AT 30 TO 40 MINUTES, IF YOU'RE LIVING DOWN THERE WORKING ON THE CITY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE IT, IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME THING EITHER WAY. 
          IT'S THAT IT'S, THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE AVAILABILITY TO COME. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, VERSUS LIKE DOING WORK SUPERVISOR MEETING THEN NINE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. 
          YES. 
          NO. 
          SO WHEN WE DO HAVE A REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING, ARE WE GOING TO BE TAKEN OUT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS THERE'S A FEW, UH, THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT ONE, WHAT THEY ADDRESS, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SAY WHAT TIFFANY, YOU KNOW, YOUR PHONE TOWN, ROYAL WARRANT HIM, PUT A PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT OUT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THAT'S A CHANGE. 
          AND THEN THE, UM, ACTUAL PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. 
          WHEN WOULD YOU WANT TO START THAT? ONCE WE ESTABLISH OUR SCHEDULE, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS, UH, THE SECOND THURSDAY OF EACH MONTH IS THE WORK SESSION. 
          AND THEN THE FOURTH, MONDAY IS THE REGULAR SCHEDULE MEETING WHERE YOU'RE MOVING TO THURSDAY. 
          WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? THURSDAY IS NEW. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE WERE JUST THROWING OUT THERE. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE DISCUSSED. 
          SO THERE WOULD BE ONE WORK SESSION A MONTH AND ONE MEETING A MONTH. 
          AND THEN WHENEVER THERE'S A, A SPECIAL CALL ME AND WE CAN SCHEDULE IT. 
          SO I HAD TO PUT IN, I HAD TO PUT A REQUEST TO BE ABLE TO SERVE ON THIS COUNCIL, UM, TO MY SENIOR EXECUTIVE SERVICE LEVEL PERSON. 
          I HAD TO SEND THEM ALL THEIR REQUIREMENTS AND WHERE I WOULD BE, WHAT I WOULD BE DOING, WHAT MY RESPONSIBILITIES WOULD BE THE TIMES THAT I'D BE IN MEETINGS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND SO I THOUGHT I SAW THE TIMES OF THE SECOND TO TWO MONDAYS 
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A MONTH, A MONTH. 
          AND THE ONE MONDAY IN DECEMBER OUTLINED IN OUR TOWN CHARTER, I COULD BE WRONG, BUT THAT'S WHAT I SENT HER. 
          WHEN I ORIGINALLY PUT IN TO SHOW HER THE PROOF OF WHAT MY ROLE, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW. 
          BUT HONESTLY, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THESE WORK SESSIONS, THE ADDITIONAL MONDAYS, I GUESS I SHOULD'VE KNOWN. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHAT I SUBMITTED. 
          IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ON ME. 
          THAT'S NOT MY ISSUE. 
          MY ISSUE IS W WHERE I, ONE QUESTION IS, WHERE ARE THE ADDRESS COMES FROM? BECAUSE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE HAD TO ASK YOU TO DRAFT. 
          AND WE WERE VERY, WE WERE LIKE, YOU CAN'T SPEAK UNLESS YOU PUT YOUR ADDRESS. 
          AND WE HELD THEM TO THAT. 
          SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S SOMEWHERE WRITTEN SOMEPLACE? AND ARE WE CHANGING THAT, WHATEVER THAT IS. 
          AND THE SECOND ONE IS THE OUTLINING, LIKE I JUST MENTIONED, UH, WHEN WE MEET AND HOW OFTEN WE MEET, IS THAT SOMETHING ALSO, WE'D BE PROPOSING A CHANGE TO THAT LARGER DOCUMENT THAT MIGHT REFLECT THAT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND CAN WE KEEP IT MONDAY? I THINK THAT WOULD HELP YOU WITH PART OF THIS. 
          YES. 
          THURSDAY IS MY ONE OF MY COMMUTE DAYS. 
          ALL RIGHT, COME HERE. 
          LET'S JUST KEEP IT ON MONDAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'LL DO THE SECOND. 
          MONDAY THE FOURTH. 
          OKAY. 
          WHICH ONE'S WHAT THE MONDAY AS A WORK SESSION, THE FOURTH, MONDAY IS GOING TO BE, OR A REGULAR MEETING, LIKE A MONDAY WF WORK MONDAY. 
          I CAN HER GO AHEAD, MAYOR. 
          I JUST GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          DOES IT BRING UP A GOOD POINT? UM, UH, MAYBE I SPECIFICALLY READ SOMEWHERE THAT IT, WE HAD TO HAVE TWO REGULAR MEETINGS. 
          IT'S CURRENTLY IN THE TOWN CODE. 
          UM, THE CHARTER IN FRONT OF IT. 
          SHOULDN'T COUNT CODE. 
           THE WHOLE THING. 
          YEAH, THAT'S FINE THEN. 
          YEAH, THAT'S FINE. 
          RIGHT? AND THAT, THAT, THAT'S HOW THE COUNTY DOES. 
          SO THEY, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE AS MANY MEETINGS AS WE DO AND SEEM TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH IT. 
          NOW, I DON'T KNOW. 
          THEY HAVE ONE MORNING MEETING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT. 
          WE'LL SKIP. 
          THAT IS THE ADDRESS THING GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. 
          IF, DO YOU KNOW IF WE DON'T REQUIRE PEOPLE TO STATE THEIR ADDRESS? YES, SIR. 
          THE TOWN CODE, WE CAN CERTAINLY CHANGE THAT. 
          I DON'T RECALL SEEING IN THE TOWN CODE, BUT I'LL LOOK OKAY IF YOU DON'T MIND CHECKING, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT PAID, BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYBODY WHO HAS A GREEN WITH THAT. 
          CAUSE ACTUALLY THINK PEOPLE WOULD PREFER NOT SHARING THEIR ADDRESS, BUT IT WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD JUST NEED TO SAY WHICH TOWN OR COUNTY THEY'RE FROM OR BROWN TOWN. 
          BUT LET ME TELL YOU, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME THAT ARE EVEN FRONT ROYAL OR I'M SAYING THEY'RE COMING FROM STROUDSBURG. 
          CAUSE THEY WANT TO TELL US HOW TO DO IT HERE. 
          SO WHEN, WHEN WOULD IT BE A GOOD TIME FOR US TO COMPILE THE INFORMATION? BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT ELSE WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH A MATRIX, UM, TO BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH DUE DATES WHEN PACKAGES ARE DUE AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE, UH, SENT TO ALL OF YOU BECAUSE MY GOAL IS THAT ULTIMATELY YOU ALL GET THE PACKAGE A WEEK IN ADVANCE, SO YOU ALL CAN REVIEW IT. 
          AND THEN THE FAN, AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS, BECAUSE IT AN AMPLE TIME, OR IT GIVES A SAMPLE TIME, SHOULD WE MAKE CHANGES? SO WE'RE GOING TO BE COMING UP WITH A MATRIX. 
          WE'RE GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO CARVE OUT TIME ON THE WEEKEND. 
          SO YOU'LL GET A TOTAL PACKAGE. 
          ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY GOOD? I LIKE, IT SOUNDS GOOD. 
          OPEN, OPEN DISCUSSION, ANYBODY. 
          SO IT'S GOING TO BE SIX 30 FOR THE REST OF THE WORK SESSION. 
          I'M ASSUMING IT WILL STILL REMAIN. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN IF YOU EVER NEED A WORK SESSION MEETING, OBVIOUSLY ADD TO IT OR ADD BEFORE THE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING, YOU CAN DO IT AT SIX O'CLOCK LIKE WE DID AT ONE TIME, BASICALLY WE WERE SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THOSE TWO NIGHTS, IF WE EVER NEED TO ADD TO THEM TO ACCOMPLISH OUR GOALS. 
          WELL, WE WILL, WE WON'T HAVE TO DO THAT FOUR NIGHTS OUT OF IT. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK WE DID THAT. 
          WELL, LET'S I JUST PUT IT IN WRITING KIND OF THAT I WANTED PEOPLE TO BE THINKING ABOUT IT ABOUT THREE ISLANDS. 
          I'D LIKE TO DEVELOP THEM PROBABLY MORE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT TENDS TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, YOU KNOW, I'M CALLING IT A MASK ORDINANCE, BUT IT'S REALLY A PRESUMPTION IN, IN OUR TOWN ORDINANCE ON HOW TO INTERPRET MASK EXECUTIVE ORDERS. 
          UM, AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION OF WHETHER, UM, I GUESS LIKE A NON-DISCRIMINATION PROVISION 
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IN OUR TOWN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD, UM, PREVENT EMPLOYERS FROM DISCRIMINATING AGAINST PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T HAVE, UH, THE COVID VACCINE OR REQUIRING THEM IN SOME FASHION. 
          AND THEN THE THIRD IS TO, UM, CONSIDER CHANGING ONE OF THESE STREETS IN TOWN. 
          UM, DONALD J. TRUMP AVENUE IN HONOR OF PRESIDENT. 
          UM, AND SO, I MEAN, THE IDEA IS THAT THESE WILL BE NEXT AS EARLY AS NEXT WEEK AND WE CAN CONSIDER THEM INDIVIDUALLY. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT IS IN TERMS OF CRAFTING AN ORDINANCE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I JUST KIND OF LIKED TO DO. 
          UM, BUT HOW DO WE, IF WE'RE CHANGING AN ORDINANCE, HOW IS THAT USUALLY DONE? ARE WE PROPOSING A FIRST DRAFT? AND THEN THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE ATTORNEY WOULD DRAW UP, I BELIEVE. 
          AM I RIGHT? DOUG, IF YOU HAVE A PROPOSAL THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE OF HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT DO YOU DO IN A FORUM? UM, YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY DRAFTED AND PERFECT FORM OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I'D HAVE TO TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT. 
          UH, SURE. 
          USUALLY WHAT WE DO IS THEN DISCUSSING IT A WORK SESSION TO SEE IF, UM, TO GET BUY IN FROM YOUR COUNSELOR OR, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY WANT TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER AND SEE HOW IT'S DONE AND THEN PUT IT ON A REGULAR MEETING, UH, BECAUSE, UH, AN ORDINANCE HAS TO BE READ TWICE UNDER THE TALENT, THE CODE DOES IT MEANING IT WOULD BE, IT'D BE READ, READ, READ ONCE AND THEN READ A SECOND TIME AND THEN VOTED ON AT THE SAME MEETING OR ANYTHING. 
          WE'RE HEADED TO A SECOND READING FUNDED AT THE SECONDARY, BUT PUBLIC HEARING TWO DIFFERENT MEETINGS, RIGHT? TWO DIFFERENT, TWO DIFFERENT MEETINGS. 
          SO IT WOULD BE READ ONCE AND THEN AT THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE RED AGAIN, THEN IT WOULD PASS AND IT WOULD START AT A WORK SESSION. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT WOULD BE OPEN TO DISCUSSION. 
          AND THEN IF IT WAS CONSENSUS ON, IF IT WOULD PASS, THEN WE WOULD MOVE ON TO A REGULAR MEETING. 
          DOUG WOULD HAVE IT ALL TYPED UP AND HAVE IT PUT OUT ADVERTISE, SPEAKING OF ORDINANCES, CAN WE CHANGE IT SO THAT WE ONLY READ THESE THINGS ONCE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT TIES UP STUFF AND MAKES IT GO FORWARD. 
          YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THESE GO OUT FOR ANOTHER MONTH BEFORE THEY'RE READY AGAIN. 
          WELL, NOT YET. 
          AND I AGREE WITH YOU, I TALK TO YOU BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE MEETING ONCE A MONTH REGULAR MEETING, SO THEN IT'S GOING TO BACK SOME PEOPLE UP. 
          SO COULD WE DO THAT? CAN WE CHANGE IT TO WHERE WE GOT, WE HAVE TO REINFORCE CHANGE THE TOWN CODE. 
          THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR, UH, TWO READINGS. 
          I WAS NOT IN THE STATE CODE FENCES. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S DO THAT. 
          EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT  PROPOSING OR ARE WE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT ON A WORK SESSION AND THE RESISTIVE WORK SESSION? I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE, UM, WE HAVE TO ADD IT TO NO WORK SESSION AGENDA OR I THINK THE CODE PROPOSAL, WELL, IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU WANT TO DO IT. 
          IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT FIRST, THEN THE CODE PROPOSAL, THEN IT WOULD BE DOWN IN OUR WORK SESSION AND THEN DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT IT GOES TO A REGULAR MEETING. 
          WE COULD DO IT ON THE 25TH, BUT, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, I WOULD LIKE TO LEASE, UH, GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROCESS INVOLVED AND RENAMING THE STREET. 
          I DO THINK THERE'S SOME PROCEDURES INVOLVED. 
          I'M NOT TOO FAMILIAR WITH IT. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD INFORMATION AS WELL, IN CASE WE NEED TO MODIFY THOSE. 
          I'LL TAKE CARE OF . 
          UM, I GOT SOME VERY SEVERE RESERVATIONS. 
          DOES THIS JUST FOR A COST PERSPECTIVE TO OUR BUSINESSES OR RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE, UM, HAVING THEIR ADDRESS CHANGED, YOU KNOW, NUMBER TWO, I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER HAPPENED, BUT ONE TIME IN OUR TOWN BENNETT STREET NAME WAS CHANGED. 
          AND, AND ALSO YOU'RE GOING TO OPEN UP THE DOOR. 
          I MEAN, I'VE LIVED IN THIS TOWN FOR 48 YEARS. 
          MAYBE I WANT TO GET A STREET NAMED AFTER ME. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I MEAN, I DON'T MEAN I DON'T MEAN TO COME OFF, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO OPEN UP A DOOR THAT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE PREPARED TO WALK THROUGH. 
          YOU SEE, I AGREE WITH GARY. 
          I AGREE. 
          I THINK STRAIGHT THEN, 
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CORRECT. 
          I BELIEVE IT WAS SECOND STREET THAT CHANGED TO ACADEMY DROUGHT, SECOND STREET. 
          IT WAS ON THE WAY TO FILL ON THE WAY TO RMA  MR. LLOYD OR COUNSELING A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A DEVELOPER IN THIS TOWN THAT WANTS TO DEVELOP A NEW SITE AND HE WANTS TO NAME HISTORY, DONALD DONALD TRUMP BOULEVARDS, AND THE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO NET BEFORE THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND THEY HAVEN'T DONE THEIR ADDRESS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I THINK HE WAS GREAT. 
          DON'T GET ME WRONG. 
          BUT I THINK WE'RE WHEN WE OPENED UP A CAN OF WORMS THAT I DON'T THINK WE WOULD, WHAT WE DID RENAMED ONE STREET SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL. 
          AND THAT WAS WHERE CBM MORTGAGE IS NOW AND THEY NAMED IT TO HOMETOWN WAY. 
          SO THE MATERIALS, IT COMES UP BEHIND MY HOUSE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THE CONSIDERATION ON THAT WAS IT WAS ONE BUSINESS, ONE ADDRESS AND THEY WERE THE EFFECTED PARTY. 
          AND SO, UM, SO THAT WAS, UH, VOTED TO CHANGE THAT NAME. 
          UM, THE, AS FAR AS THE PROCESS GOES, THAT MIGHT BE WORTH KNOWING, UM, FOR, UM, FOR COUNSELING. 
          THE LAWYER ON THIS ONE TOO, IS, UM, AS I MENTIONED THIS, I THINK TO YOU, CITY OF WINCHESTER JUST UNDERWENT THIS WHOLE EXERCISE, UM, FOR MULTIPLE ROADS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, UM, AND, UH, SO I, I IMAGINE, UM, STEVEN, IF YOU REACHED OUT TO, UM, THEIR MAYOR OR A COUNCIL MEMBER THERE, PERHAPS THEIR PLANNING DEPARTMENT, I THINK THEY COULD SHARE WHAT THEY DID. 
          UM, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF ONE ROAD THAT ENDED UP CHANGING MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT ECONOMIC IMPACT. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW, UM, IF WE'RE GOING TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER CHANGING SOME ROADS OR NAMES OF ROADS, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE HAVE A PROCESS I WAS TRYING TO CONSUME AS WE SPEAK. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF STEPS INVOLVED IN DOING A LOT OF STUFF. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SCHOOL ASKED TO HAVE THAT NAMED ACADEMY DRIVE BECAUSE JUST TO GIVE THEM TO MAKE IT LESS CONFUSING, BECAUSE THE SCHOOL USED TO BE ENTERED FROM MAIN STREET. 
          HE USED TO BE IN HER FROM FIRST STREET. 
          HE USED TO BE IN HER IN FROM SECOND STREET. 
          AND SO THAT GAVE THEM LIKE ONE STREET. 
          I BELIEVE THERE WERE LIKE TWO HOMEOWNERS ON THAT STREET. 
          AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THIS, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS WAS PRETTY AGAINST IT. 
          UM, AND THERE WERE ONLY TWO AND THEN EVENTUALLY THEY MISS SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO WORK IT OUT AND THEY DID NAME IT ACADEMY DRIVE. 
          BUT AGAIN, THAT WAS TWO, UM, HOMEOWNERS. 
          UM, THERE'S ONLY TWO ADDRESSES ON MATRON. 
          YEAH. 
          TRUE, TRUE, TRUE, TRUE. 
          BUT AGAIN, I, I THINK MY ONLY THOUGHT WAS WITH ACTUALLY LIKE COUNTY COUNSELING CLASSES, YOU SAID, I WAS JUST THINKING OF MONEY. 
          LIKE I KNOW LIKE LAST YEAR I CHANGED MY EMAIL, TOOK ME SIX MONTHS TO CONTACT EVERY PLACE THAT HAD MY OLD EMAIL. 
          AND I THINK IF YOU HAD, IF YOUR ADDRESS AND YOU'D LIVED THERE 25, 30 YEARS AND YOU CHANGED IT, UM, OR A BUSINESS, I'M THINKING EMS, GPS, POSTAL SYSTEM, HOWEVER, A DEVELOPER, THEY, THEY CHOOSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PURCHASING. 
          IF THEY'RE, IF THEY, YOU KNOW, THEN THEY MAKE THAT CHOICE AND EVERYBODY, WHATEVER BUSINESS OR HOMEOWNER THAT, THAT SETTLES THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THERE. 
          THEN THEY START OFF WITH THAT ADDRESS VERSUS CHANGING IT. 
          THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY, I JUST WOULDN'T WANT TO UPSET PEOPLE TO CHANGING THEIR ADDRESS, BUT CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE, WE HAVE STREETS IN FRONT ROYAL, BUT THAT HAD THE NAMES OF FORMER PRESIDENTS, ALTHOUGH HE HAS NOT A FORMER PRESIDENT YET FOR TOMORROW. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO, UM, I I'M, I'M WARY OF SOME OF THE LIKE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND HOW IT COULD OPEN THAT CAN OF WORMS. AND I DON'T WANT TO, UM, DUMP COSTS INTO ANYBODY'S, UM, LABS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO I THINK IT'S WORTH THE BEINGS DELIBERATIVE ABOUT THE COSTS AND YOU KNOW, WHICH ONES ARE REAL VERSUS IMAGINED OR EXPECTED, YOU KNOW, HOW HARD IS IT TO GET THE GPS AND WHATEVER ELSE, UH, IMAGINE 
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THAT THERE'S A PROCESS AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT TO THE TOP OF MY, MY GENERAL THINKING. 
          HOWEVER, IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, HE RECEIVED, UH, 67% OF THE VOTE IN THIS COUNTY, IN THE PAST ELECTION, WHICH IF IT WERE CONGRESS WOULD BE ENOUGH TO CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION ON ITS A SUPER MAJORITY. 
          UM, AND OF COURSE THERE'S MANY ASPECTS OF HIS TENURE THAT ARE, UM, HISTORICAL, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I SEE HISTORICAL ABOUT IT IS, IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY, AND ESPECIALLY SINCE NO NOVEMBER, THOSE, THOSE SAME FOLKS WHO VOTED, UM, IN SOMEBODY THAT THEY BELIEVED IN HAVE BEEN, UM, PUT THROUGH A PROCESS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THE VOTES WERE STOLEN FROM THEM AND PEOPLE CAN HAVE THEIR OPINIONS ABOUT THOSE ISSUES. 
          BUT WHAT PEOPLE CAN ARGUE WITH IS THAT THEY WEREN'T EVER, UM, ADJUDICATED ON A FACTUAL BASIS, THEY'RE ADJUDICATED ON A PROCEDURAL BASIS AND THAT'S BEEN DENIED THERE'S PEOPLE WHO HAVE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS. 
          AND THEN REALLY FROM THAT TO THE QUESTION OF, DID I ATTEND THE RALLY OR DID I ATTEND A RIOT? AND, UM, SO THE PEOPLE WHO, PEOPLE, I KNOW PEOPLE WHO WENT THERE JUST TO, AND HAD A GREAT TIME LEFT BEFORE THEY EVEN REALIZED THEY'RE NOW BEING TARRED AND FEATHERED AND ACTUALLY HARASSED BY OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY AS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, RACIST, BIGOTS RIDERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          AND, UM, WE HAVE A SYSTEM OF, YOU KNOW, INSTITUTION AFTER INSTITUTION FAILING PEOPLE. 
          AND I JUST THOUGHT THAT THIS COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ONE INSTITUTION TO RESPOND BY SAYING, WE UNDERSTAND YOU, WE HAVE YOUR BACK. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF MY GENERAL FROSTIER, SO IT'S NOT, IT COULD LOOK GIMMICKY AND I'M REALLY TRYING NOT TO BE GIMMICKY. 
          I REALLY HAVE PEOPLE'S INTERESTS AT HEART. 
          UM, I THINK THEY FEEL JUST BLUDGEONED BY THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S GOING TO LET UP, UM, COME JANUARY 25TH. 
          AND FOR MANY PEOPLE IT'S GOING TO BE GETTING WORSE. 
          UM, THAT'S MY GENERAL THINKING ON THAT. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO FLUSH IT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE KIND OF IN WRITING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT I SEE NOW A LITTLE MORE CLEARLY THE PROCESS, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY, ANY ANYBODY ELSE, ANYTHING ELSE? YES. 
          YOU GOTTA BE RESPECTFUL ON ELSE. 
          UM, ALL JUST A QUICK COMMENT, UH, FOR STEVEN AND DOUG ON THE MANAGER REPORTS, I WANTED TO SAY IT AROUND THE TABLE. 
          UM, THE, THE WEEKLY REPORTS I DID REMEMBER AFTER OUR CONVERSATION LAST WEEK, I THINK I ERRONEOUSLY STATED THAT, UM, I DIDN'T REMEMBER WHY WE STOPPED DOING THE REPORTS. 
          AND I DO REMEMBER NOW WHY, UM, AND THE REASON WHY WAS BECAUSE THEY GOT TO A POINT WHERE, UM, IT WAS DOCUMENTING, I'M BEING A LITTLE BIT FACETIOUS HERE, BATHROOM BREAKS AND LUNCH ACTIVITIES. 
          AND WHEN YOU WALKED IN THE DOOR AND OUT THE DOOR AND IT BECAME A HIGH LEVEL OF SCRUTINY, AND I HAD MICROMANAGEMENT FROM THIS COUNCIL AND THE COUNCIL VOTED TO STOP HIM. 
          UM, THAT BEING SAID, I REALLY LIKED, UM, I REALLY LIKED HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME HIGH LEVEL, UM, NOTES ON, UH, PARTICULARLY CONVERSATION OR, UM, CONTACTS OR, UH, WORK PROJECTS THAT, UM, THAT COUNCIL IS EITHER HAS IN THEIR CROSS, OR WE KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. 
          SO, UM, I'LL MAKE UP SOMETHING, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, STEVEN HAD A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY ABOUT THE EDA PROCESS AND MOVING IT FORWARD, AND YOU THINK THAT MIGHT BE AN INTERESTING COUNCIL AND KNOWING, BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING ON A LOT OF THINGS RELATED TO THE ADA, MAYBE IT'S A BULLET POINT WORTH DOCUMENTING. 
          UM, BUT, UH, I SEE DOUG SITTING OVER THERE. 
          IF YOU PERMIT ME TO MAKE AN ATTORNEY JOKE, I KNOW YOU'LL WRITE DOWN ANY AND ALL THINGS IN YOUR REPORTS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE DONE THAT. 
          UM, WHICH I APPRECIATE, BUT WHAT I WANTED TO GET FROM COUNCIL WAS MAYBE A GENERAL CONSENSUS ON THE HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW FOR THE WEEK AND NOT A PLAY BY PLAY, UH, OF THE WEEK, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT YOU SPENDING HALF A DAY'S TIME, DOCUMENTING EVERYTHING. 
          THAT'S A WASTE IN MY OPINION. 
          UM, BUT TO THE POINT THAT COUNCIL'S BROUGHT UP EARLIER, WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME CRITERIA THAT IF I'M SOLICITING DOUG'S FEEDBACK FOR LEGAL OPINIONS ON PARKING DOWNTOWN AND SHUTTING IT UP AND STUFF LIKE THAT, AND DOUG SENT SOME SIGNIFICANT TIME RESPONDING TO MY INQUIRIES, THEN MAYBE THAT'S WORTH PUTTING DOWN. 
          SO THE REST OF COUNCIL KNOWS THAT JAKE'S TRYING TO PUSH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, OR LEAST INVESTIGATING, UH, CLOSING DOWN 
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MAIN STREET AND PARKING AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, IF I CALL YOU UP AND SAY, HEY, DOUG, DO I HAVE TO BE AT THIS MEETING? THERE'S A LEGAL REQUIREMENT OR WHATEVER. 
          AND YOU SAY, NO, I DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO DOCUMENT THAT AND SHARE THAT WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD. 
          UM, SO I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, AND I'M TOTALLY TEASING YOU ABOUT IT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, CAN WE JUST HAVE A HIGH LEVEL EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND THIS COUNCIL AGREE TO THAT? UM, BECAUSE HONESTLY, I DON'T WANT TO READ THROUGH, UM, BOOKS AND I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS SPENDING HOURS AND HOURS, UH, THROUGHOUT YOUR DAYS, DOCUMENTING THIS STUFF TO SHARE WITH US. 
          IF I HAVE A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE IN SOMETHING I'M GOING TO COME OUT AND TELL YOU, AND I WANT TO SEE IT, UM, AND START LOOKING THROUGH IT. 
          I AGREE. 
          I DON'T WANT TO BE BLINDSIDED BY ANYTHING THAT COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED SHARE, BUT I THINK YOU GUYS CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT, UM, WITHOUT HAVING TO GIVE US A PLAY BY PLAYS AND FEELING UNDER THE GUN TO GIVE US PLAYBACK PLACE. 
          SO THE REPORT I HAVE DON, UH, JUST, UH, KINDA JUST STICK TO WHAT YOU ALL FEEL IS MORE OF A SUMMARY THAN THE SUBJECT. 
          MATTER OF WHAT, UH, WHAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT LAST WEEK WAS FINE. 
          THE BULLETS ARE FINE BECAUSE IF I'M CURIOUS, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, OKAY, TELL ME ABOUT THIS. 
          WHY, WHY DID YOU GUYS, WHY DID YOU GET INTO THAT OR WHATEVER. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I MEAN, AND HOPEFULLY THIS HELPS DOUG TOO, LIKE NOT EVEN A FULL EXPLANATION ON IT, IF YOU GIVE ME THE, THE BULLET POINT ON IT, AND I WANT TO KNOW MORE, I'LL ASK YOU ALL RIGHT. 
          AND IT COULD EVEN BE GENERIC, LIKE, HONESTLY, FROM WHAT YOU SHARED EARLIER TONIGHT, I DON'T THINK I HAD ANY CONCEPT OF HOW MANY FOYER REQUESTS YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH. 
          SO EVEN IF IT WAS GENERIC, UM, WORKED ON 25 BOY REQUEST THIS WEEK OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO TELL US WHICH ONES, BUT JUST, JUST FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THE SHEER VOLUME THAT THE, OF THE AREAS IN WHICH YOU HAD TO INVEST YOUR TIME. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          W IT'S NOT LIKE WE WANT YOU TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE TWO HOURS A DAY OUT OF YOUR DAY TO COME UP WITH. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          CAUSE I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A DOCUMENT TO PROVE YOUR WORTH. 
          YEAH. 
          I WANT IT TO BE, WE NEED THE INFORMATION. 
          SO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH US, BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO PROVE YOUR WORTH TO US. 
          IF WE HAVE CONCERNS, WE'LL START DIGGING INTO IT. 
          AND THOSE DOCUMENTS HAVE THE DANGER OF RUNNING THAT UNTIL LIKE, I GOT TO PUT DOWN EVERYTHING OR GOING, GONNA THINK I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY ELSE I GOT. 
          ONE THING I KNOW, UH, LAST WEEK I HAD MENTIONED ABOUT, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE TOWN CHECKING INTO LAUNCHING OUR OWN INSPECTIONS, BUILDING INSPECTIONS, DEPARTMENT, AND PERMITS. 
          UH, AND I MEAN, EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, STAFF LOOK INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF US DOING THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS WE ARE ABLE TO CHARGE PERMITS WITHOUT THE COUNTY CHARGING ALSO, UM, YEAH. 
          GARY, ARE YOU, UM, THE FULL GAMBIT OF THE WHOLE THING? EVERYTHING. 
          YEAH. 
          EVERYTHING. 
          I MEAN, UH, I THINK THAT IT CAN BRING, I WOULD SAY SOME REVENUE INTO THE, TO THE TOWN ITSELF. 
          SELF-SUSTAINING YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          THAT WOULD BE, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN IS THAT IF IT'S ADDITIONAL. 
          YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHY I WANT THE ADDITIONAL STAFF WE MIGHT NEED, BUT IT'S, IF YOU KNOW, IT'LL PAY FOR ITSELF. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE FOR WAIT A MINUTE. 
          I LIKED FOR THE STAFF TO LOOK INTO IT. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, LIKE FOR THEM TO LOOK INTO IT AND THEY'LL COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, WE CAN, OR WE CAN'T, THIS IS WHAT WE'LL TAKE. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. 
          I MEAN, IT'S PRELIMINARY. 
          SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO LAUNCH IT RIGHT NOW. 
          CALL, UM, HE CAME OUT JAKE PRESENTED YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          REMEMBER THIS CAME THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT THIS. 
          AND THERE WAS A GROUP THAT WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IT. 
          THEY'VE REACHED BACK OUT ABOUT THAT. 
          AND I WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THEY'RE BEING ENGAGED WITH. 
          THEY ASKED IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MAYBE YOU DO ENGAGE WITH SOME OF THEM REGARDING THIS OR TALK ABOUT, YEAH, THIS IS THE THING I BELIEVE COULD BUILD ANYTHING OR LIKE BUILDING. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS IS IF THIS FALLS IN THAT SAME BOAT RENTAL PROPERTY INSPECTION ORDINANCE. 
          BUT THE THING IS THAT THIS WILL PROVIDE US WITH OUR OWN INSPECTORS AND EVERYTHING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STRAIGHT UP BUILDING PERMITS, BUILDING PERMITS, AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR ONE-STOP SHOP, DO IT ALL. 
          NOW. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN, AND YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS OF YOU, YOUR INSPECTOR DOWN. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE GREAT, GARY. 
          SO PART OF THIS STUDY WOULD BE JUST TO DESCRIBE THAT EXISTS NOW TO SPREAD THE NEWBIES WHAT'S THAT 
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I WOULD JUST NEED TO KNOW FROM HER. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A BUILDING INSPECTION. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S YEAH, EVERYTHING'S DONE BY THE COUNTY. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT THE COUNTY DOESN'T DO OR IS THE ELECTRICAL, AND IT'S A THIRD PARTY OUT OF WINCHESTER DONE BY THE COUNTY, BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO COME OVER HERE. 
          PLANE'S APPROVED PLANS APPROVED HERE, AND THEN YOU GO, IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE THING. 
          HERE YOU GO OVER TO THE COUNTY AND THEN IT'S A LOT MORE THAN JUST, OH YEAH. 
          SO JUST AS LONG AS THAT'S SPELLED OUT FROM HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WOULD YOU LIKE US TO GET BACK WITH YOU MARCH EIGHT AT OUR WORK SESSION? IF YOU CAN GET IT ALL? YEAH. 
          WELL, VERY HIGH LEVEL. 
          AND THEN WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL TRY TO PULL OUT WHAT REVENUES THEY'VE COLLECTED IN THE PAST THREE YEARS, THAT'S TOWN RELATED INSPECTIONS. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER THING WE WOULD ENTERTAIN, UH, FOR LIKE SOME SPECIALTY INSPECTIONS OR, OR ANY WAY THAT SOMEONE WANTS TO EXPEDITE, UH, REVIEWS, OR IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE TO KIND OF HAVE A LIST OF ALL OF THOSE FACTORS, THE CONTRACTOR OR THE BUILDER, WHOEVER CAN DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO USE THEM, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THINGS ARE MOVING ON. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S FAIR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GARY, MAYBE STEVEN GET AHOLD OF GARY AND MAYBE GARY COME IN AND GET WITH YOU AS FAR AS MEETING TIMES. 
          CAUSE YOU MENTIONED MARCH 8TH. 
          UM, NOTHING'S CHANGED UNTIL WE'VE ACTUALLY, WE'VE GOT TO VOTE ON IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NOTHING'S CHANGED. 
          SO MEANS THERE'S STILL EVERY MONDAY NIGHT, RIGHT? AND WE'LL COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL, BUT MARCH 8TH IS MARK ON MY CALENDAR, WORKS COUNTER JAKE, UM, MARCH IS A REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE MARCH 15TH, MARCH 15TH. 
          YEAH. 
          CAUSE WE HAVE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETINGS ON THE SECOND, MONDAY AND FOURTH MONDAY. 
          SO IT'D BE MARCH 15TH. 
          THAT'S HOW IT WORK. 
          SESSION EIGHT. 
          WELL, WE, HAVEN'T A REGULAR MEETING MARCH 8TH, MARCH 15TH. 
          WE'LL BE ABLE TO START THE SESSION UNTIL WE FINALIZE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE CAN DO THAT IN FEBRUARY THREE, BRING BACK PROPOSAL FEBRUARY 1ST, BECAUSE IF WE DO THE PUBLIC HEARING, IS THAT WHY? OR WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC. 
          WE ALREADY ACCEPTED THE CHANGES, WHICH CHANGE YOUR BORDER. 
          AND I WAS ON THE PROPOSAL FOR CHANGES. 
          DOES THAT INCLUDE THE DAY TEACHERS FOR A SECOND, JUST MEETING TWICE A MONTH? I THINK THAT WAS JUST THE ORDER I THOUGHT WAS THE ORDER OF BUSINESS. 
          WE'RE A BUSINESS. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO PUT IN THERE ABOUT, UH, THE DAYS WHEN WE'RE CHANGING, THERE'S GONNA BE A CODE CHANGE. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE TO READ THE FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY OR, OR YOU CAN DO IT ON THE 25TH, NOT A REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING. 
          THAT'D BE IN 2020 FIFTH IS THE PROPOSAL. 
          AND THE VOTE WILL ALL HAPPEN JANUARY 25TH. 
          YES. 
          SO MAYBE YOU CAN JUST, YEAH, MARCH THE 15TH. 
          IT MIGHT BE UP IN HERE SOMETIME IN MARCH. 
          ONCE IT IS DECIDED THAT SOMEBODY SENT US OUT LIKE ONE READING, ONE, READING, ONE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THINGS SEND OUT A CALENDAR AS WELL AS AN OUTLOOK INVITE FOR YOUR CALENDARS AS WELL. 
          UH, YOU DON'T MIND, I JUST HAVE SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF SOME OF THE WORK SESSION COMING UP ON THE FIRST THAT MAY BE OF INTEREST AS A REFRESH, WE WILL BE PROVIDING TO YOU. 
          UH, THE MANAGERS RECOMMENDED BUDGET TO COUNCIL. 
          UH, THE OTHER THING IS WE'LL BE SHARING THE REVENUES AND GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES REVIEW. 
          UH, THAT WILL BE A PRESENTATION. 
          WE HAVE A, UH, A DISCUSSION ON UFAC, UH, CLOSED SESSION. 
          I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THERE'S OTHER STUFF, BUT THESE ARE THE BIG ONES. 
          AND THEN, UH, GLORIA, I MEAN COUNSELING, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION, UM, ON THE HIGH ELECTRIC BILLS, WHICH REQUESTED AT THE NEXT ONE TO DO. 
          YOU NEVER REMINDED ME. 
          I DON'T WANT YOU TO PUSH ON THE SPOT FOR THIS. 
          DID WE GET TO SEND SOME SORT OF CORRESPONDENCE TO YOUR PAC MEMBERS? UH, THE MAYOR, THE MAYOR SIGNED, UH, YOU SENT THEM A LOT AWESOME. 
          THEY ASSIGNED TO ASSIGN SOME OWNERS. 
          AWESOME. 
          UM, ALSO, UM, SORRY, KEEP DRAGGING THIS ON. 
          UM, WE HAD TALKED, UM, I HAD TALKED, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING THE ANA, UH, AND 
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THERE'S A LOT OF HOMEOWNERS THAT, UH, HAVE ISSUES WITH OUR LATERALS, FROM OUR PROPERTY, FROM THE TOWN PROPERTY TO INSIDE THEIR HOME, THAT THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH WHAT I WAS WANTING TO SEE IF THE TOWN COULD COME UP WITH A WAY, UH, IF THEY, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER SIGNED A WAIVER, IF THE TOWN REPLACED THESE LATERALS AND NOT CHARGED THEM EVERYTHING UPFRONT, BUT ADDED SO MUCH TO THEIR UTILITY BILLS EACH MONTH, UM, IT PUT, I GUESS, A LIEN ON HER PROPERTY UNTIL IT WAS PAID FOR, UM, THE CALLS. 
          I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE THAT ISSUE, ESPECIALLY UP IN THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND WASHINGTON, BEL AIR RAN ALL FALL INTO THERE. 
          UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FEASIBLE. 
          UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO, DOUG, DOUG? UM, I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE. 
          THEY'RE SEEING IT GO ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, REPLACED LATERALS, CHARGED THE HOMEOWNER, THE COST TO BUILD THEM, ADD ADDITIONAL FEE TO THEIR ELECTRICAL BILL. 
          UH, PUT A LIEN ON HER PROPERTY UNTIL IT'S PAID. 
          WELL, YOU SAID THE COST IN OTHER WORDS, AGAINST THEIR, UH, UTILITY, RIGHT. 
          AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT LIKE A THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M TALKING MAYBE AN EXTRA A HUNDRED OR WHATEVER. 
          YEAH. 
          IN CONCEPT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY NOT. 
          I'M NOT SURE HOW IT WOULD WORK OUT. 
          ADMINISTRATIVELY. 
          BJ WOULD BE A GOOD PERSON TO ASK YOU ABOUT THAT TOO. 
          YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE REQUESTING US TO REPLACE THEIR LATERALS. 
          THERE'S A LOT THAT CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE THINGS DONE. 
          UM, I, I MEAN MYSELF AS A CONTRACTOR, I'VE BEEN OUT AND REPLACED SOME OF THESE LINES FOR CUSTOMERS AND LIKE GALVANIZE WATERLINES. 
          GARY CAN TELL YOU ABOUT GALVANIZED WATERLINES. 
          I MEAN, SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY 80, A HUNDRED YEARS. 
          YOU CAN GO DIG THE OLD ONE UP AND THERE'S NOTHING THERE. 
          IT'S JUST LIKE A, A HOME LIKE, UH, UH, WHERE THE WATERLINE USED TO BE IN THE GROUND. 
          IT'S JUST, THE WATER IS RUNNING RIGHT THROUGH THE DIRT. 
          UM, ARE THERE SEWER, SEWER LINES, ESPECIALLY THEY'RE LEAKING ALL THE TIME. 
          THEY'RE LEAKING. 
          GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF HOUSE. 
          THAT SAME STREET WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHERE THEY CHANGED THE NAME. 
          IT WAS WARREN AVENUE, AND THEN THEY CHANGED IT. 
          BOOK THAT ALLEYWAY AGAIN, SOCIAL SERVICES, UM, WHEN THEY CAME UP AND SPOKE, TESTED. 
          AND OF COURSE RADLEY'S NOT HERE, BUT WHEN THEY CAME UP WITH SMOKE TEST THAT LINE, THEY HAD A HARD TIME DETERMINING BECAUSE ALL OF THAT FROM, FROM, FROM THAT EASEMENT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD SMOKE COMING EVERYWHERE THROUGH THE YARDS. 
          YEAH. 
          IT WAS CRAZY. 
          , YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, UM, A LOT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE HERE AND, YOU KNOW, LAST, ESPECIALLY DOWN HERE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND, AND OUT TOWARDS NORTH ROYAL AND PLACES LIKE THAT, THEY, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM HAVE, UH, HAVE YOU GUYS SEEN THAT LATIN PIPE OR THE, OR THE VIRTUE OR FAT CLAY OR THE, OR CAUSE THIS, THE DERRICK GOT IT. 
          AND AFTER AWHILE, EVEN OCASTA ORANGE, THE WILL, WILL DECAY IF IT'S BEEN IN THE GROUND FOR A LONG PAN AND YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU GET, YOU GOT UP, YOU GOT A PIPE, WHAT USED TO BE A PIPE AND THEN IT'S THE HOLES THERE NOW IT'S DIRT. 
          AND IT'S WHEN YOU GET ROOTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND YOU KNOW, IT JUST KIND OF, THIS KIND OF REMINDS ME OF SOMETHING, AT LEAST YEAH. 
          THE CURB AND GUTTER SALE, THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL IT, A CURB AND GUTTER SALE. 
          BUT, UM, AND THERE WAS A COUPLE, ONE THING. 
          IT BENEFITED THE HOMEOWNER BECAUSE THEY GOT CURB AND GUTTER, WHICH INCREASED THE VALUE OF THEIR HOMES. 
          IT ALSO HELPED THE TOWN IN TERMS OF THE, YOU KNOW, UH, THE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          BUT, UH, BUT HOW ABOUT HER IS COULD EITHER PAY FOR IT UP FRONT AT THE REDUCED, YOU KNOW, AT THE REDUCED FEE OR THEY COULD HAVE A LIEN ON THEIR PROPERTY, BUT THEN AFTER THAT YEARS LATER, THEY JUST STARTED GIVING IT AWAY FREE. 
          WHICH, WHICH KIND OF DIDN'T SIT WELL WITH THOSE OF US WHO PAID. 
          YES THEY CAN. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M NOT FOR FORCED LIENS. 
          AND I GUESS WHAT CHRIS IS DESCRIBING HERE, AT LEAST I HOPE HE IS THEN JOINED TO BE BY THE CHOICE. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'D BE, YEAH. 
          THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT'D BE A CHOICE. 
          YES. 
          KIND OF SORRY, JUST A LATERAL. 
          WOULD THAT BE THE LINE THAT GOES FROM THE MAIN LINE TO THE HOUSE, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE, THAT WOULD BENEFIT NOT ONLY CALLS THAT WOULD HELP YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY WILLING TO DO IT. 
          WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO DO IT? WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO DO, OR SOME OF THE, I WOULD SAY A LOT OF PEOPLE, UH, MIGHT HAVE 
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SEWER ISSUES. 
          A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE WATER PRESSURE ISSUES, UH, AND THESE OLDER HOMES, UH IT'S WHY WOULDN'T THEY WANT TO DO IT? I MEAN, A LOT OF THE GALVANIZED LINES GOING THROUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, RUINING THEIR DISHWASHERS, UH, WE'RE HAVING TO PRICE, FAUCETS, UH, RUINING THEIR REFRIGERATORS. 
          I MEAN IT'S YEAH, BECAUSE YOU GET THAT GAL GALVANIZE, IT'S YOU, YOU CUT THAT GALVANIZED AND THAT IT'S BEEN IN THE GROUND FOR SO MANY YEARS. 
          IT IS NASTY. 
          YOU WOULDN'T THINK HOW IN THE WORLD COULD ANYBODY HAVE NO DRINK OUT OF THAT WATER THAT COMES THROUGH IT, YOU'D BE SURPRISED. 
          I'M NOT KIDDING. 
          BE TOTALLY SURPRISED YOU LEARN THAT HERE'S OUR LADY. 
          AND SHE, THAT WAS JUST, UM, RAISED DURING OUR MEETING. 
          MAYBE, MAYBE EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF THIS AND WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT SOME, SOME PEOPLE, SOME PUMPS ARE TIED INTO THE SEWER AND THAT'S THAT'S CONTRIBUTED TO HER. 
          I, AND I HAVE, THAT COULD BE, THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE NOT VERY HARD TO FIX. 
          IF IT BECOMES A TOUGH PUBLIC ISSUE, LIKE YOU CAN HELP FIX THIS ISSUE, UM, AND MAYBE FIGURE OUT A WAY TO, BECAUSE IF IT IS, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU GET WITH BJ AND ASK ABOUT, UM, IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO ATTACH MONETARY AMOUNT, EXTRA, OR WHATEVER, TO THEIR UTILITY BILL. 
          AND, UM, I WOULD ASSUME IT WOULD BE LIKE, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'D BE CHARGING INTEREST, RIGHT? THE TOWN CAN'T CHARGE US FOR STUFF. 
          WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK IN TO SEE IF WE ARE ABLE TO DO IT, ABLE TO DO IT. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE MOVED IN THERE FOR TWO YEARS AND THEY PAID A HUNDRED DOLLARS AND THE FAMILY STORE , IT WOULD BE A LANE. 
          SO WHEN A PROPERTY SOLD THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PAID FIRST, IT'S VOLUNTARY. 
          IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, AND RENTAL PROPERTY THAT CAN'T, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO COME FROM THE LANDLORD, THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          IT CAN'T BE THEM COMING UP WITH THE MONEY UP FRONT, WHICH THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE EXACTLY HAVING THE TOWN FIX AND THEN BASICALLY PAYING PAYMENTS ON IT EVERY TIME. 
          AND I WANT, UH, JUST GOING TO BE, I'LL TALK TO YOU LATER ABOUT THAT. 
          WE HAD AN AVERAGE RATE SO THAT WHEN THERE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK ON ONE PROPERTY THAN ANOTHER PROPERTY, YOU CAN FIND THE AVERAGE RATE THAN IT MIGHT SEEM MORE LIKE EVERYBODY'S PAYING THE SAME. 
          IT MIGHT BE, WELL, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I'VE BEEN IN AREAS WHERE SEWER LINE COULD BE EIGHT FEET TO GROUND, OR YOU CAN HAVE A SEWER LINE, YOU KNOW, 15, 20 FEET IN THE GROUND. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE A SEWER LINE, 20 FEET IN THE GROUND, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT LONGER TO GET TO THAT SEWER LINE. 
          AND NOT ONLY THAT, UM, I MEAN THE SAGE PRECAUTIONS THEY HAD TO PUT IN PLACE. 
          SO, I MEAN, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT AREA YOU ARE IN TOWN. 
          I MEAN, PROPOSED APPLICATION PERIOD WERE THEN ASSESSED AND THEN THEY'RE ALL GIVEN. 
          THEN WE TAKE THE ESTIMATES BASED ON WHAT THE WORK IS CONCERNED, GOING TO COST, THEN GET AN AVERAGE FROM THAT. 
          AND THEN THAT WAY YOU KIND OF GOOD. 
          WELL, THE TAIL DOES THAT BASICALLY NOW FOR A TAPIS. 
          SO WE DO WHAT OUR SEWER TABS, WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE, UH, UH, UH, PUBLIC WORKS, GO OUT. 
          UM, THEY'LL LOOK AT THE DOUBT FOR THE SEWER. 
          THEY'LL CHECK OUT THOUGH, WHERE THERE MATE, THE WATER LINES AT, AND THEY'LL COME BACK WITH AN ESTIMATE, UM, AND THEY'LL SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST WHERE YOUR TABS, AND IF IT'S ANY LESS THAN THAT, THEN WE REFUND IT. 
          IF IT'S ANY MORE THAN THAT, THEN YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO PAY UP, YOU KNOW, THE EXTRA CALLS, BUT JUST FOR AN OVERALL, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BEFORE OVERALL. 
          WE'RE NOT, NOT EVERYBODY MIGHT WANT TO DO IT. 
          I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE SO MANY THAT WOULD WANT TO DO IT. 
          SO IT'S, IT WOULD BE HARD TO YOU GO DOWN HERE AND SAY ALL WHERE YOUR SEWER LINE IS FOUR FEET OF GROUND. 
          AND WELL, JOE'S UP THE STREETS, 15 FEET IN THE GROUND. 
          SO LET'S EQUAL THESE OUT AND THINKING THAT THIS BENEFITS, THE TOWN HAS BENEFIT TO EVERYBODY RIGHT DURING THE DESTRUCTION AS WELL. 
          SO WE LOOK AT THAT. 
          IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT WOULD INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO TAKE US UP ON THIS OFFER, I MEAN, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT AND HIRE THEIR OWN CONTRACTOR. 
          I MEAN, TO ME, IT SOUNDS AMAZING. 
          IT SOUNDS GREAT. 
          BUT HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE KIND OF GET THE IDEA THAT THIS IS GOOD? AND MAYBE YOU HAVE THAT PERIOD OF TIME. 
          WE'RE GETTING NOW WHEN YOU GET THIS, GET IN LATER AND IT'S GOING TO BE THIS WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE CURB BETTER SAY. 
          OR WAS IT THAT WAS URBAN GUTTER SALE WAS HERE'S THE PRICE FOR THE CURB AND GUTTER AT THIS AMOUNT. 
          BUT IF YOU WAIT LONGER, YOU KNOW, YOU'D PAY MORE OR WHATEVER SAY, RIGHT. 
          IT WASN'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY COULD DO THAT BECAUSE THE TOWN, WE HAVE TO CHARGE WHAT IT COST TO US. 
          WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CHARGE AN EXCESS, AM I RIGHT, STEVEN? CORRECT. 
          SO WHATEVER IT COST US, THAT'S WHAT WE CHARGE. 
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SO WE'RE NOT, I MEAN, IF WE CHARGE THEM LESS THAN WE'RE LOSING MONEY, SO WE CAN'T REALLY DO THAT. 
          SO WE'RE WASTING SOME OF THE LATERALS, I'LL BE RECOMMENDING THAT WE HAVE ON CALL CONTRACTORS TO DO THE WORK, RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WHEN THEY GO IN THERE, THE INTENTIONS ARE TO REPLACE THE LATERAL. 
          AND THEN BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THEY CRACK THE CONCRETE, THEY MESS UP THE YARD OR SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THE TREE. 
          AND SO IT'S JUST A LOT EASIER FOR THE HOMEOWNER. 
          THE CONTRACTOR HAS TO RESOLVE THAT. 
          IF WE GO IN THERE AND DO THAT, IT HAS A GROWING CALL, YOU KNOW, OUR WASHING BOY. 
          SO IT'S A LOT EASIER TO JUST HAVE THE CONTRACTOR AND WE'LL SEE HOW COST EFFECTIVE. 
          IT ALSO, IT MOVES US FROM THE INSURANCE OF ALL SUDDEN THE SHOVEL HITS A WINDOW OR SOMETHING. 
          SO HOW WOULD WE DO THAT? WILL WE PAY THE CONTRACTOR? THEN THE CUSTOMER WOULD JUST PAY HER, WE'D GET IT TAKEN CARE OF. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT. 
          I'LL COME UP WITH, THIS HAS BEEN DONE HERE. 
          YOU HAVE TO REMOVE A TREE JUST TO GET TO IT. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SIGN A WAIVER. 
          THE HOMEOWNER WOULD HAVE TO SIGN A WAIVER FOR ANY, YOU KNOW, AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE, I DON'T WANT TO SOUND SELFISH, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD BE, IF MINE WAS ONLY FOUR FEET AND SOMEBODY UP THE STREETS WAS 20 FEET. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD WANT TO ADD AN AVERAGE AMOUNT. 
          I'D WANT MY COST TO BE RELATED TO MY HOUSE. 
          SO THAT IS SELFISH. 
          NO, IT'S CALLED TYPE OFF. 
          OKAY. 
          MIRA ITEMS. FIRST ONE IS YOURS WILL BE TAKEN OVER AN EIGHTH AT THE GOVERNMENT CENTER, A REMINDER AT FIVE 30 OR ALL OF US. 
          WHAT KIND OF  PICTURES?  LAST TIME WE'LL BE, UH, WE'LL BE REACHING OUT. 
          BUT AS A REMINDER, THE VISION SUMMIT OR WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL IT, WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING ONE EARLY, MAYBE A SECOND OR THIRD WEEK IN MARCH. 
          UM, SO WE'LL BE GIVING YOU ALL, SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT SHOOTING SOME POSSIBLE DATES AND THEN THE VENUE OR WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE. 
          UH, WE WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO SEE DIFFERENT AREAS. 
          AND THE QUESTION IS, WOULD YOU WANT TO DO IT ON THE WEEKEND, DO IT ON THE WEEKDAY. 
          SO WE'LL BE SENDING OUT AN EMAIL TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ALL DAY OR A DAY AND A HALF. 
          JUST TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, WEEKDAY, WE WOULD, UNLESS IT WOULD BE DURING MY SPRING BREAK UP A WEEKDAY WOULD BE A NIGHTMARE FOR ANY SATURDAY. 
          CAUSE THE LAST TIME THAT WE DID ONE, IT WAS WHEN WE CAME ON BOARD. 
          CHRIS, WHEN WAS THAT? TWO YEARS AGO, WE DID LIKE A WENT WITH HERE AND IT WAS LIKE, HEY, OR PAST DAY OR SOMETHING. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          WE CAN DO A SATURDAY, MAYBE A FRIDAY EVENING THROUGH THE NIGHT, FRIDAY, AND THEN MAYBE EITHER THERE OR SOME OTHER, I WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH COUNCIL TO KIND OF ESTABLISH SOME GOALS AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND MEASURES. 
          YOU ALL LIKED TO HIT ANYTHING ELSE. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHAT'S THE REASON TO CLOSED THAT. 
          WE'RE GOING TO DO THOSE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, ROLES, COUNCIL ROLES, OR I'M SORRY, MEASURES OF WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO HIT WITH WHEN YOU SAID SOME GOALS THAT YOU WANTED TO HIT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE ACTUALLY OWE YOU SOME ANNUAL GOALS THAT WE WANT TO HIT. 
          WHAT WE WANT TO DO THAT MANNER. 
          YOU WANT TO DO IT SOONER. 
          IT'S UP TO YOU SOONER. 
          CALL IT BETTER. 
          RIGHT? I LIKE TO KNOW. 
          SO WE, YOU MIGHT NEED TO GIVE IT TO YOU. 
          YOU MIGHT NEED TO DESIGNATE OR HAVE SOMEBODY, SOME INDIVIDUALS WORK ON THAT. 
          AND BECAUSE WE OWE STEVEN THAT FIRST CONTRACT THAT'S ALREADY CHECKED THE TJ. 
          OH, I WILL HELP YOU HEAD THAT UP. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          READY? I'M MOVING TOWN COUNCIL GOING TO CLOSE MEETING FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES. 
          ONE REGARDING A LETTER OF INTENT TO TOWN AND PROPERTY PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH THREE EIGHT 11 DOT A DOT THREE AND A DOT FIVE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA. 
          THE DISCUSSION OF THE DISPOSITION OF PUBLICLY HELD REAL PROPERTY WHERE DISCUSSION AND AN OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE BARGAINING POSITION OR NEGOTIATING STRATEGY OF THE PUBLIC BODY AND CONCERNING A PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY OR THE EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY WHERE NO PREVIOUS ANNOUNCEMENT HAS BEEN MADE AT THE BUSINESSES OR INDUSTRIES INTERESTED IN LOCATING OR EXPANDING ITS FACILITY IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          TWO PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH THREE SEVEN ELEVEN.A.SEVEN AND A DOT EIGHT OF THE 
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CODE OF VIRGINIA REGARDING THE HALF-TON HIM, THE TOWN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY IN JENNIFER MCDONALD, JENNIFER MCDONALDS, BANKRUPTCY CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL AND BRIEFINGS BY STAFF MEMBER OF THE CONSULTANTS PERTAIN TO ACTUAL LITIGATION WHERE SUCH CONSULTATION OR A BRIEFING IN A MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECTED THE NEGOTIATING OR LITIGATING POSTURE OF THE PUBLIC BODY IN CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING A SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE POSSIBLE. 
          YES. 
          I'M READY TO ROLL CALL. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          YES. 
          COUNCILMAN GLASBY. 
          YES. 
          COUNCILMAN COUNCILMAN MCFADDEN. 
          YES. 
          COUNCILMAN MEZA THOMPSON. 
          CAN WE HAVE TWO MINUTES?  THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL CERTIFIED THAT TOOK THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE AS RECOGNIZED BY EACH MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AFFIRMATIVE VOTE KNOW IT'S SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS, LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WITH CONVENIENCE WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE CLOSED MEETING BY THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND THAT THE BOAT, EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL BE TAKEN BY ROLL CALL AND RECORDED AND INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES OF THE MEANING OF TOWN COUNCIL. 
          YES, YES, YES. 
          THOMPSON HOLLOWAY. 
          YEP.
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