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OKAY, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL TO ORDER
[Board of Architectural Review on December 8, 2020.]
THE TOWN TOWN OF PORT ROYAL BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW MEETING FOR TUESDAY, DECEMBER EIGHT, 2020.THE FIRST ITEM WE HAVE IS THE NOVEMBER 10TH MINUTE.
UM, HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM.
I CAN GO AHEAD AND SCREW UP THE MINUTES.
DO BUSINESS SIMILAR TO LAST MEETING, WE HAVE TWO MURAL APPLICATIONS, UM, UM, APPLICATION TWO, FOUR ZERO FIVE AND TWO FOUR ZERO.
UM, YEAH, IF YOU COULD GIVE US A LITTLE BACKGROUND FOR YOU.
VERY SIMILAR TO THE LAST, UH, REGULAR MEETING.
UH, WE HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATIONS, BOTH THE PAINT WALL MURALS.
THIS IS FOR TWO PROPERTIES ON EAST MAIN STREET, FAIRLY CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER.
UM, UH, AND JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THAT.
SO THE, YOU MAY BE MORE AWARE OF THAT THAN THE TALLER THAN I AM THE CDBG BLOCK GRANT BOARD ORIGINALLY APPROVED THREE-YEAR-OLDS AND I GUESS THEY HAD SOME REMAINING FUNDS.
I WANTED TO DO TWO ADDITIONAL MURALS THAT WERE CORRECT.
THE ARTISTS WERE, I GUESS, SO I DID AND REVIEWED BY THE WARREN COUNTY PROJECT FOR THE ARTS.
AND SO, UM, WITH THAT, THESE NEURALS HAD MUCH MORE CONSTRICTIVE BUDGETS, RIGHT.
THEN WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE A SMALL AMOUNT OF LEFTOVER, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO, SOME OF OUR GROUP DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE THAT MONEY ON THE TABLE BECAUSE WE NEVER KNOW IF WE DIDN'T EVER SEE ANY MONEY, UH, IN THAT FORM AGAIN.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED FOR SMALL WALLS AND WE ASKED ARTISTS THAT IT'S ABOUT $10,000.
SO IT'S PRETTY LIMITED IN ITS SCOPE, BUT, UM, I KNOW THERE'S ONE THAT SAYS IT'S FRONT ROYAL, RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN ONE THAT WE WANT TO GET GOING.
AND ANOTHER ONE IS ON, I THINK ON RICK NOVAK'S BUILDING AND HE'S REDOING HIS WHOLE WAS ASSAD.
SO RICK NOVAK IS THE FRONT ROYAL ONE.
UM, CROSS REFERENCING, SO, OKAY.
WELL, SO I THINK THE OTHER, THE RICK NOVAK ONE WAS LAUREL FLOWERS, BUT THE THING IS HE'S REDOING HIS WHOLE, I THINK WHAT WE'RE WANT AT THIS POINT IS APPROVAL TO DO SOMETHING FOR RICK AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL DECIDE WHAT IT WILL BE.
I GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU, BUT, UM, LET'S JUST SAY, WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THAT FOR LINE.
WHEN HE WAS ANYWAY, HE, UM, YOU KNOW, HE'S CHANGING THE COLOR OF HIS BUILDING.
SO THE DESIGN IS GOING TO CHANGE SOMEWHAT, I GUESS.
THE OTHER QUESTION, I HAVE IT WRONG.
I'M GOING TO SAY WE CAN, WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT TO START WITH? THE FIRST ONE? THE ONE 31.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY OUR GOAL, BUT THAT IT WILL WORK IN THAT WAY.
MY QUESTION ON THIS AND THIS MIGHT BE MORE OF A PLANNING, ZONING QUESTION IS MURALS WERE STRICTLY PROHIBITED FROM BEING BINDED AND IT'S FOR BUSINESS.
UM, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S WRITTEN OR HOW THIS DOESN'T COUNT AS SIGNAGE.
I THINK WE'LL TECHNICALLY, I'VE ALREADY MADE A DETERMINATION IS I THINK ADMINISTRATOR DOES NOT SIGN IT.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY THIS IS GREAT.
AND THEN HAVE SOMEONE ELSE RIGHT BEHIND THAT SWEPT ASIDE AND BE LIKE, WELL, THIS ONE WAS A PRUDE.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE, MAKE IT CLEAR.
YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE DEFINING AS SIGNAGE IN THIS BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR INTO IT.
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THIS IS GOING ON THAT, OKAY.SO INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, ACTUALLY BOTH OF THE MURALS ARE ACROSS FROM EACH OTHER WHERE SHE'LL SEPARATES ONE 31 TO THE LEFT, IF YOU'RE FACING SHOALS AND ONE 17, WHICH IS MR. NOVAK'S LIVING TO THE RIGHT YOU'RE FACING SHOOL.
SO THEY ACTUALLY FACE ONE ANOTHER.
AND THEY'RE BOTH JUST SLIVERS OF THOSE BUILDINGS THAT EXTEND FORWARD PATCHOULI.
AND THEY BOTH RUN THE DISTANCE OF THE ENTIRE WALL.
I LIKE THE LITTLE SIDE PLACEMENT.
IT FITS WELL WITH THE OTHER MURAL IN FRONT OF MOUNTAIN TRAILS.
CAUSE THAT SORT OF STARTED IN YOUR OWN DORM.
AND IT'S NOT SO MUCH IN YOUR FACE WHEN YOU DRIVE BY, IT KIND OF TIES THE TWO BUILDINGS IN, YOU KNOW, ONE 31 AND TO DECIDE BILLING.
I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON NOT TO GO AHEAD AND PASS THAT ONE.
SO ONE 31 EAST MAIN THAT ONE IS APPROVED.
SO ONE 17, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ON, BECAUSE THE PHOTOS OF THE BUILDING ARE POINTING TO THE LITTLE SIDE PIECES THAT WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THIS RENDERING IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
SO SHE'S TRYING TO SHOW YOU THAT IT'S ON THE SIDE, BUT IT'S GONNA WRAP A LITTLE BIT AROUND.
UM, SO YEAH, IF YOU WERE LITERALLY WALKING DOWN EAST MAIN, UH, TOWARD MR. NOVAK BUILDING, UH, THE SIDE, YOU WOULD SEE, WOULD IT BE THE GREEN OVER TO THE WALL? AND THEN IF YOU WERE TO PASS IN FRONT OF MR. NOVAK'S BUILDING AND FACE THAT ENTRANCE, YOU WOULD SEE THIS SPILLING OVER, WHICH IS PART OF THE FLOWERS AND THE DOOR, THE FURNITURE, THIS IS THE FRONT OF SCHEWELS AND THEN THE GREEN THAT'S THIS CORNER.
AND THEN THIS IS THE FRONT IT'S A LITTLE, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO THEN THAT LEADS ME TO, WHEN WE APPROVED MOUNTAIN TRAILS, WE APPROVED IT ON THE CONDITION.
IT DID NOT WRAP THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
UM, AND THAT WAS AN ORGANIC LEAVE THAT SOMEONE WAS TRYING TO PULL AROUND FRIES AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CONSISTENT.
SO EVERYTHING ON THE LIGHT NEEDS TO COME OFF.
AND SO, UM, THIS IS A GREAT DESIGN, BUT, UM, I'M NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, CAN WE APPROVE THAT? SAY'S DONE PAST APPROVAL.
I SAID, IT'S A FAIR STATEMENT.
UH, THE REST OF THE MEALS IS THAT YOU ALL APPROVED, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONE ON KID LANE WITH THAT FOSTERS ALLEY AND THE ONE AT THE WOODSHOP, BOTH OF THEM WERE ON EITHER, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT RIGHT ON MAIN STREET, BUT RIGHT OFF OF MAIN STREET.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE NOTHING HAS WRAPPED UP TO THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING TO THIS POINT EAST MAIN STREET.
I THOUGHT THAT WOULD PAY FOR ONE.
THAT'S SUPPOSED TO, SHE'S GOT A LITTLE SOMETHING WRAPPING IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
BUT THE ONE ON KID LAYING IN FOSTER'S ALLEY DID NOT, THEY WERE STRICTLY ON THE SIDE OF HER DORM ROOM.
I THINK IT MIGHT'VE BEEN THE BIRD ITSELF WHEN IT RAN.
WAS THERE ANY OF THAT? I THINK IT MIGHT'VE BEEN THREE BRANDS OR IT'S NOT A, I DON'T REMEMBER.
I DON'T REMEMBER DISCUSSING PHOTO, LIKE THE BLACK BUILDING.
OH, BUT NOT ONE WITH THE ARTIST'S RENDITION.
YEAH, WE DIDN'T, I DON'T THINK WE THOUGHT ANY PICTURES OF THE ARTWORK COMING TO THE FRIGHT.
AND I DON'T REMEMBER THAT BEING PART OF THE DISPATCH WHILE YOU GUYS ARE TALKING.
CAN YOU JUST SAY THAT THE ARTIST NEEDS TO LIKE ADJUST IT AND JUST LOP OFF THESE SECTIONS OR REVERSE IT OR LIKE MIRROR SO THAT IT GREEN WRAPPING AROUND THEM?
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I MEAN, I'M JUST WONDERING, IS IT TO MAINTAIN THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING AND KEEP MAIN STREET, SIMPLY FACADE? I THINK THAT WAS BEING 10.UM, BUT WE WERE A LITTLE DIVIDED ON THAT.
I WAS, I WOULD KIND OF EITHER WAY, BUT ON THE FRONT, LIKE DOWN THE ICE CREAM STORE, WHEN YOU WALK IN, THERE ARE MURALS, RIGHT.
WHEN YOU WALK IN THERE, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING OR THE MURAL ON THE SIDE, IN THAT LIKE WHEN YOU WALK IN THE DOOR, IT'S RIGHT.
YOU PROBABLY GO THERE AND WAKE ME IN THE DOOR.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THIS PICTURE.
I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT WHATEVER PRECEDENT HAS BEEN SET, WE SHOULD PROBABLY STICK TO IT.
DON'T THINK IT DETRACTS FROM THE BUILDING ITSELF.
THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE RIDING DOWN MAIN STREET.
THAT'S WHAT I KEEP FLIPPING THIS BACK AND FORTH.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
SO THIS, THIS IS THE SIDE BY SIDE.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE WERE KIND OF NOT WRAPPING UP ONE ON MOUNTAIN TRAIL BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE WHEN YOU'RE RIDING DOWN MAIN STREET.
I ASK YOU TO MAKE SURE I'M LOOKING AT THIS CORRECTLY.
IF I DO THIS, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING RUNNING DOWN MAIN STREET.
WELL, I MEAN, YEAH, IF YOU WERE HEADING EAST, BUT LIKE YOU WERE LOOKING STRAIGHT AT THE BELL, YOU WOULD SEE THAT CORRECT.
CAUSE I WAS TRYING TO PLAY THIS.
I THINK I SAW, YOU KNOW, WALKING OR DRIVING WEST.
JUST HOLD IT HERE SO YOU CAN PLAY AND THAT.
SO LOOKING AT IT LIKE THAT WAS WHY WE DIDN'T DO THE WRAP AROUND BECAUSE OF THE PART THAT WAS RAPPING.
WASN'T LIKE IT WAS A BRAND, BUT THIS IS SORT OF THE SAME PRINCIPLE, THE PARTS THAT ARE WRAPPING ART, LIKE REALLY WORKING WITH
BUT THEN I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THIS BUILDING.
IF WE GO FRONT, WE'RE PUTTING SOMETHING AND EVERYTHING SYMMETRICAL, EVEN HOW HE DECORATES IT.
EVEN HE PUT SOMETHING ON ONE SIDE, OH, IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING ON THE THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING.
HE'S REDOING HIS WHOLE, HE'S CHANGING THE WHOLE LOOK OF HIS BUILDING.
AND THAT WAS, I MEAN, I'VE NEVER NOTICED THIS UNTIL WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS.
AND THEN I WAS JUST, I MEAN, I WALK ON THE PANEL WAS WALKING BY IT.
IT'S LIKE THE WHOLE THING IS SYMMETRICAL.
HE SHOULD INCORPORATE THAT INTO HIS NEW DESIGN.
SO I WAS SAYING THAT WE WOULD LIKE APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MURAL, BUT IT'S ALL UP IN THE AIR BECAUSE HE KNOW HE'S GOT TO TAKE A COLOR.
HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT COLOR HIS PAINTING IS, FILLING AND ON AND ON, YOU KNOW, AND I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO BOTH SIDES, PAY SOMEBODY TO DO BOTH SIDES.
PROBABLY A QUESTION THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE, TO BE DETERMINED.
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IF WE ALLOW A FLAT TO MURAL INSTEAD OF THIS SIDE, WOULD THERE BE MONEY TO DO BOTH SIDES? I MEAN, IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT THAT'S JUST THE OTHER SIDE.IS THIS ONE? ISN'T IT? NO, THIS IS MY BUILDING.
SO THIS IS, OH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS SIDE OVER HERE BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS SO SYMMETRICAL A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT THE NEW LOOK IS GOING TO BE AND DOES A FLORAL THING.
EVEN IF I DON'T THINK WE'VE RECEIVED AN APPLICATION OR HE FOUNDED DESIGN, BUT HE HASN'T FIGURED IT OUT.
THEY HAVE TO COME TO US FOR THAT.
AND YOU HAVEN'T, YOU GUYS HAVE IN COMMON.
I MEAN, HE'S CHANGING THE, IF IT'S MORE THAN LIKE FOR LIKE, OR A PAINT COLOR.
UM, WELL, I MEAN, IT'S CALLED THE PARK THEATER NOW AND HE'S ROYAL CINEMA.
SO HE WANTS TO CHANGE ALL THAT.
HE WANTS A NEW SIGN AND EVERYTHING.
SO HE'LL YOU, HE WILL BE HERE AT SOME POINT, SIGNAGE PRELIMINARY.
I COULD PROVE A MURAL ON THAT SIDEWALL, BUT NOT SIDE WITH THIS APPLICATION.
AND I MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT WORK BETTER WITH THIS, WHATEVER THESE FEELING.
AND THEN, BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE SIDEWALLS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE SO MATCHY OR SO COORDINATED TO THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING.
AND IT'LL GIVE YOUR ARTISTS A LITTLE MORE ROOM TO STAY WITHIN THAT SPACE AND DO THAT.
AND THEN THE FRONT OF THE THEATER CAN DO COMPLETE DESIGN WITHOUT DISRUPTING THE MURAL.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT OTHER IT'S SORT OF LIKE A TOWER ON THE CORNERS OR WHATEVER IT IS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'VE HAD, I CAN'T, IT DOES LOOK OUT.
MAYBE NOT AS SAFE, NOT AS FAR OUT, WHICH IF IT'S ON THE SIDE, THAT DOESN'T MATTER.
I MEAN, IF THIS IS ON THE SIDE IT'S IF ANYTHING GOES ON THE FRONT, I'M THINKING PRETTY MUCH.
I JUST NOTICED THAT I THINK THIS ONE'S HAD A LOT OF WORK, KIND OF LIKE THE ONE WITH CHURCH AND THEN THE COFFEE SHOP ADDED COPIES ON THE STRUCTURE, ADDED TO THE FRONT.
I THINK WITH HIM ANOTHER ONE HAVE BEEN NO IT'S RIGHT THERE YET.
HOW WOULD Y'ALL HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT, UH, A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL? CONDITIONAL APPROVAL? ALL IN FAVOR.
SO WE'VE APPROVED THE ONE 17 EAST MAINE WITH THE CONDITION THAT IT STAYS ON THE SIDE.
AND THEN IF SOMETHING COMES UP WHERE RICK'S REPAVING THE BUILDING AND HE WANTS TO INCORPORATE THAT MURAL ACROSS IT TO THE FRONT SOMEHOW, THEN THAT CAN JUST GO INTO PROBABLY ONE APPLICATION AND WE CAN LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
BUT RIGHT NOW THE TWO DIFFERENT, VERY CONNECTED.
SO YOU REQUESTED THAT THE ARTISTS SUBMIT BACK THE RENDERING FOR YOU ALL.
THE DESIGN OF THE RENDERING, THE COLORS, THE FLORAL THAT IS APPROVED.
STAY TO THE SIDE WE NEEDED TO.
I MEAN LIKE THE COLOR OUTSIDE THE LINE.
WE'LL TRY TO WRAP IT UP THE CORNER.
NOTHING ON THE FACADE, EVERYTHING ON THE SIDE.
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PLACE.IT'S GOT THAT DARK, TEAL AND GRIEVE.
AND THEN IT'S WHITE ABOVE AND I'M LIKE, BOY, YOU TALKING ABOUT, WELL, MAYBE NOT A MURAL.
THAT'S WHEN, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SAYING LIKE THE, THE POST CAN REPAINT.
IF IT'S THEY'RE REPAINTING A PAINTED SURFACE.
WE CAN REALLY SAY ABOUT PAINT COLORS.
UM, AS LONG AS THE PAINT OVERPAY NOW THEY'RE PAINTING AND I PAINTED ORIGINAL SURFACE.
THEN WE CAN BUDDY PAINT OVER PAINT SOME CIRCUMSTANCES.
IT WOULD BE NICE FOR SOMEBODY TO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
I CAN THINK A FEW, BUT YOU DON'T NEED ME ANYMORE AGAIN.
THESE, THESE KIDS, THESE PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING OUT THERE AND IT'S COLD WEATHER TRYING TO GET THESE THINGS.
BUT ON THE THIRD, I MEAN, EVEN YESTERDAY AND THEN YESTERDAY, IT WAS JUST BLACK AND WHITE.
YOU GUYS HAVE WHAT I'M BUILT FOR MISERABLE, MISERABLE TIME.
AND THEN TODAY IT WAS, IT WAS ALMOST WARM ENOUGH TO PAINT.
THEY WERE OUT THERE PAINTING THE WIND WAS SO OLD.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE JUST STANDING THERE TRYING TO PAINT, YOU'RE JUST, WOW.
RIGHT HERE TONIGHT, THERE'S STILL PAINTING ON BLUE RIDGE.
THEY'RE PAINTING ALONG WITH IT.
THE BLACK BUILDING THEY WERE DOING, THEY WERE DOING SOMETHING ON THE WALL TONIGHT.
WE APPROVED LAST MONTH, UM, THAT WERE UNDERWAY.
AND I WAS VERY PLEASED WITH, WITH BOTH OF THEM HOW THEY WERE ON.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE GRABBING
THERE'S NO POINT THE WAY IN, IN A PILL THAT HAS TO BE SPENT BY MARCH.
SO THERE'S NOT REALLY SPRING, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL TERRIBLE.
WELL, THERE AREN'T POTENTIALLY TERRIBLE WEATHER, BUT WE EVER GOING TO HAVE A FEW GOOD DAYS THIS WEEK, HOPEFULLY.
I THINK THAT TOOK CARE OF OUR OLD BUSINESS FROM THAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH OLD BUSINESS.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN ALL IN FAVOR.